dnd-discussion

[rough basalt]

I didn't do a good job of handling the death

Cause I was kinda shocked

[echo meteor]

???

[umbral girder]

When he double critted a ranger in his game

20d10+9 damage tends to hurt and be surprising when it happens

[rough basalt]

It's the highest amount of damage dice I've ever rolled

[echo meteor]

would ya look at that!!! a random cleric with revivify prepared just wandered into the fight!!!

[rough basalt]

Oh I will not do that stuff

[echo meteor]

😛

[umbral girder]

Yeah that ruins games

[fossil hollow]

deus machinas tend to be looked down upon

[umbral girder]

Takes away the stakes of any game

[rough basalt]

Only three ways you're getting revived by NPCs in my game
1: Paying for it
2: Owes you a favor
3: Some story beat

And the forbidden number 4

They raise you as a zombie

[umbral girder]

Performing Ukulele songs /jk

[echo meteor]

gentle repose is also a life saver 😭

[feral fulcrum]

Corpse Saver, more like it

[echo meteor]

cast it on a dead player and have them revivified later

[fossil hollow]

and lose two silver? Naaaaah

[feral fulcrum]

"Don't mind the corpse, that's just Jim, we're saving up to afford a Revive." "How long have you been carrying that corpse around town!?" "Only a couple months."

[umbral girder]

It is one of the things I like to set up early in my games is a “safety net” of sorts for death. But usually it comes with a consequences like you gotta do a deal with a devil or something like that.

Or you have to do an entity an important favor

[rough basalt]

Like I told my Wednesday group in s0, if they get tpkd there's three answers
1: New PCs
2: New Campaign
3: Reverse Dante's Inferno

[echo meteor]

at T2 , finding someone that knows revivify shouldn’t be that difficult

[umbral girder]

Basically Hades for that last one

[rough basalt]

Just be hopeful it's only the party that escapes

[umbral girder]

Notably that also requires the person to reach that caster in 1 minute

And the party to have a 2nd level slot for Gentle Repose.

[echo meteor]

that’s what gentle repose is for

[umbral girder]

Because you cannot do it as a ritual to revivify.

[fading needle]

Am I a good dnd player?

[rough basalt]

Cause if other things escape, well, then He awakens and takes care of it. All souls will return to the Underworld if He awakens.

[echo meteor]

yaa, spell scrolls r awesome for purely situational spells

[split pivot]

Was fun as my dnd phase lasted 😔

[umbral girder]

If they have any.

[split pivot]

By everyone 💔

[umbral girder]

I don’t know you so I cannot answer that.

[echo meteor]

if the wizard knows the spell, he can scribe it.. or buy the scroll

[fading needle]

Okay

[echo meteor]

it shouldn’t be that expensive

[umbral girder]

Notably it takes nearly a week to make the scroll too

[echo meteor]

using spell scrolls for utility spells that you normally wouldn’t prepare is just chefs kiss

cause you’ll always have it when you need it

[rough basalt]

I feel like downtime will be pretty helpful in this upcoming game with an artificer and a Wizard

[echo meteor]

alternatively, you can just buy it

[umbral girder]

If anywhere sells it

And with in the party’s reach

[rough basalt]

My players get copper only and they're thankful

[echo meteor]

level 2 spell scrolls are hard to find??

[umbral girder]

Yeah usually

[echo meteor]

brooo, why’s ur players so broke?

[rough basalt]

Cause I'm broke and they should be too

[echo meteor]

😭

[umbral girder]

Anything that isn’t 1rst or Cantrip level scrolls are actively difficult to hunt for

Usually at secretive clubs or monster hoards.

[marble lion]

good thing you dont track spell components

[echo meteor]

wat, level 2-3 scrolls are uncommon, you can buy them easily

[jolly agate]

Eldritch Blast is so peak

[marble lion]

true

[umbral girder]

Uncommon is labeled as items you get at secretive clubs and monster hoards.

[jolly agate]

I just love it, My all-time favorite cantrip

[rough basalt]

I have magic shops in major cities, but out there in the wilderness? You better hope you meet a special wandering trader.

[umbral girder]

Because even in settings the books make sure to mention it’s common stuff for sale.

[echo meteor]

i’m sure any major trading hubs would stock it, or traders would sell it at remote towns with a markup

rare items are more hard to get

[umbral girder]

Like it would be stupid dangerous to sell them in market places for uncommon items

Just 1 of them is worth a person’s entire year worth of daily living.

[rough basalt]

Tho my magic shops only sell the real good stuff to people they can trust

[echo meteor]

i mean, stores sell healing potions, weapons, armor… why not spell scrolls?

[umbral girder]

Actually probably even more than 1 year.

[echo meteor]

they are uncommon

[umbral girder]

Once again it’s Uncommon scrolls that are harder to get

Common tier scrolls and potions are fine to have out

[echo meteor]

why? that sounds artificial… aren’t health potions uncommon?

[umbral girder]

No they are common

[rough basalt]

Like my Monday group has access to the good stuff at the magic shop in the country they're in.
But only cause they have the Deck of Many Things which gave them an ally in the store owner.

[umbral girder]

You’re thinking of Greater Healing Potions

Those are Uncommon.

[echo meteor]

ohh right

[rough basalt]

Otherwise she'd only sell uncommons at most and only certain ones.

Like +1 items, and consumables.

[umbral girder]

This is all basic DMG/Core Rules stuff

[echo meteor]

eyy, spell scrolls upto level 3 is sweet

[rough basalt]

Yeah you're not touching her Vorpal Sword without being basically married to her.

No matter the cash

[echo meteor]

i’m sure the bard can arrange that

[rough basalt]

All my npcs are either married, or aro/ace so not a route to be taken.

[burnt valley]

That seems convenient

[echo meteor]

looks like SOMEONE is due for a little accident

[umbral girder]

One thing I like having is NPCs who are not impressed at charisma

[rough basalt]

I mean good luck.

[echo meteor]

and then a little cheering up by the bard 😛

[rough basalt]

She's cr18

[umbral girder]

Like a wizard isn’t gonna care for how charming they are. They care about how intelligent they are

[echo meteor]

brooo, whys your shopkeeprr cr18 😭 why the heck do they need help from level 1 nobodies?

[rough basalt]

Cause she's an Archmage whose became one twice in her life due to the ruin card taking her former life away.

[fossil hollow]

because she has a shop to run

[feral fulcrum]

Because someone needs to go beat up the rat hordes in the basement, and she's got more important things to do.

[rough basalt]

She's also a war veteran who killed hundreds of mages and stockpiled their items.

[umbral girder]

Delegation is why

[rough basalt]

And she didn't need help from them.
They approached her with the Deck and she wanted to help them due to her own history with it

[burnt valley]

Whats her spell list

[echo meteor]

is it just the archmage statblock?

[rough basalt]

I'd have to go boot up foundry.

[echo meteor]

i’m pretty sure there’s a statblock for veteran soldier as well

[fossil hollow]

yeap

[umbral girder]

Archmage is Cr12 last I checked

[fossil hollow]

But not all veterans will be veteran soldiers

[echo meteor]

veterans are cr3 😭

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/17045-veteran?srsltid=AfmBOopfkP4wPkdv4ymscIqXlP3gNHH5FP82gZsW5QdJbtNG0U9ZQcrn

[fossil hollow]

yeap

[umbral girder]

Yeah remember a regular person is Cr0

[fossil hollow]

thats way above a commoner though. CR 3 means theyre on the same level as an owlbear

[marble lion]

i have npcs that are interested in romances or other things just fine without them being playthings of PCs

[fossil hollow]

Or most wyrmlings

[rough basalt]

Iirc she's an illusionist so fighting her would be kinda like fighting Mysterio on performance enhancers.

[umbral girder]

They are just below a Hippo

[marble lion]

you can just have them not be into the party. done. doesnt need to be ace

[fossil hollow]

ofc, no mortal can defeat a hippo without godlike powers

[umbral girder]

Unfortunately the Priest is also Cr3

[fossil hollow]

Theyre CR 2

[marble lion]

attraction after all isnt a slider from 1 to 20 that you can roll for

[feral fulcrum]

Looks at massed gunfire

[umbral girder]

God powers crack under Hippo.

[rough basalt]

Nah the ace thing is I just don't do romance

[umbral girder]

Unfortunately the Giff (Hippos with mass gunfire) is Cr3

[marble lion]

you can do it like that but i dont think you even need to make NPCs aro or ace to not do romance

[rough basalt]

Forgot to add "not interested" in the list earlier

[fossil hollow]

ok, where did romance get into the equation

[marble lion]

sora said aro, aromantic

[umbral girder]

Hippos haven’t mastered the power of love /jk

[marble lion]

im saying people that arent aromantic or ace can still just not be interested, which sora apparently just forgot to put in there so nevermind

"i hit on the barmaid"
"she doesnt seem interested though your line was smooth, not meant to be i guess"

[echo meteor]

priest doesnt know revivify 😭

[umbral girder]

Nor Gentle Repose. So no scrolls.

[marble lion]

i mean that is how it mostly happens in real life after all

[rough basalt]

Yeah Naomi (her name) isn't interested in non-elves basically, and below a certain age.
Her main thing is her partner needs to be someone who experienced the war so they don't judge her.

[marble lion]

fair but even if it was an elf, it could just not click of course
you dont need to invent restrictions to save yourself from doing romance is the crux of my statement

[rough basalt]

True

[marble lion]

not meant to come off as fighting you
just saying its easier than i think you may be making it for yourself

[rough basalt]

Kinda helps that the only romance in my Monday game is a couple in the party.

Back to original point anyway, there's no way you're touching the Vorpal Sword intact.

[feral fulcrum]

Lotta bots lately it seems.

[rough basalt]

All of my valuable traders are pretty high cr tbh except the guy who runs the magic shop in the Bazaar of my main city of my upcoming campaign.

[echo meteor]

lol i did notice that npcs don’t have revivify

arch priest has raise dead though

[woven flint]

Reginald slight mention

[echo meteor]

maybe “disguise self” then sneak in at night and get lucky with lock picking 😄

[rough basalt]

Good luck

[umbral girder]

If they have locks

Or if it’s in a door, or a building, or the same plane. Or in the Planescape.

[rough basalt]

Or it's just a display replica

The Sworpal Vord

[timber turtle]

Would the cutest DND party be 3 kobolds and a dragonborn as their leader?

[blissful trail]

Can anyone suggest 2 feats for a trickery domain cleric? I can't think of any other domain that would fit a cleric of Tymora

[fossil hollow]

war caster, lucky, telekinetic

[modern mist]

its the pain that gets me going

[empty thicket]

Bro is there for the love of the pain, wild

[keen valve]

I think it does get easier with time. Provided we mean as in like hosting seperate games. If we really out here hosting that many people (10), I feel like we might either have a little bit too much hope in ourselves, or we really are just that much of an expert in management.

[woven flint]

Thats completely dependant on opinons of cute

I think the cutest party would be a Goliath, Firbolg, Minotaur and Orc trying to do their best to do the right thing because they're big softies

[tacit pike]

samuels mother
grandma warlock with immovable rod wheelchair
grung ranger with pet fern (named fernando)
Dune sand worm(very sensitive)
Goblin artificer who turns people in cyborgs

Made some character ideas
(ask questions i will answer and explain)
Tell me what yall think

[warm shore]

I’ve lowkey been wondering

Shouldn’t elves be like, busted beyond comprehension if they have hundreds of years to learn magic?

Compared to humans that have like less than a century but are still somehow on par with them

Are elves just frauds or are humans just canonically goated

[fossil hollow]

they also are often the biggest procrastinators (since they typcally have a diluted sense of time)

[cyan narwhal]

That's what i was about to say lol

[fossil hollow]

Biggest modern example:

Frieren

[rough basalt]

Humans are canonically goated too

What other species can effortlessly just go "nah I'd adapt" to every enviroment

[warm shore]

It’s funny af to me that every elf technically has the time needed to become like a level 20 wizard but most will just bum around doing whatever 😭

[gusty sleet]

ello

[cyan narwhal]

Heya

[fossil hollow]

or take their time

again, frieren as an example

[rough basalt]

Drow when humans are lore accurate and adapt to the darkness in 30 minutes

[warm shore]

I feel like if you really think about it, there isn’t a reason why humans haven’t been outcompeted to extinction in DnD 😭they’re short lived, don’t come with any special abilities, don’t generally have incredible physical strength, or inherent flight or magic

But I think it’s funnier to believe that like

[rough basalt]

It's our adaptability, and reproduction rates.

[gusty sleet]

i love the fact that humans are short lived

[tropic crane]

Hey guys, I'm looking for people to join me in dnd session in damansara Malaysia

[warm shore]

They just beat the shit out of everyone through the indomitable human spirit

[gusty sleet]

makes every adventure more meaningful

[rough basalt]

That's pretty much the case in any fantasy or scifi where humans are a contender for strongest species.

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[rough basalt]

We just adapt to anything cause it's in our genetic code and you kill one human and seven more spawn

[cyan narwhal]

The humans are like the underdog of races

[gusty sleet]

not us gassing ourselves up

[rough basalt]

Humans in dnd are pretty nerfed compared to irl ones

[tropic crane]

I don't get it

[warm shore]

Lowkey thank god the Drow are content with being stuck in the underdark, because ngl, if Drow were expansionist, it might be wraps for everyone

[rough basalt]

Cause humans can actually start seeing figures in the dark after 20 to 30 minutes of being in the darkness.

[gusty sleet]

id like to imagine elves see us as cute little beings like elephants do

[rough basalt]

And of course our body adapts to temperature.

Which is something DnD lore accounts for by having humans in the hottest and coldest places

[cyan narwhal]

That would be cute

[gusty sleet]

wouldnt it?

though arent humans canonically taller than them

[woven flint]

Humans are more Driven than Elves, which is why a majority of Famous and Powerful spellcasters within the realms are humans

[rough basalt]

Our adaptability is so strong a Japanese mangaka made a powerful being based off of it for his manga. /hj

[warm shore]

I feel like Drow are lowkey the best of both worlds

[woven flint]

Elves just kinda wanna do their own thing

[cyan narwhal]

Big raga the oppa stoppa mentioned?

[fossil hollow]

ragga dragga?

[rough basalt]

The weakest human body, also known as big Raga

[warm shore]

They’ve got like human pragmatism and hustle to constantly get stronger, but they’re also a long lived race that’s got natural affinities to magic

[fossil hollow]

theyre also usually under lolth's rule

[rough basalt]

I mean human adaptability is actually probably the most insane part of our nature

[warm shore]

Lolth just don’t know how to manage them right

[fossil hollow]

and heavily discriminated against

[rough basalt]

We're constantly adapting to new bacteria and viruses that bacteria and viruses have to keep adapting to us.

[woven flint]

Drow have more negatives than Humans and most other Elf species going on in their lives

[cyan narwhal]

I think so, but since they can live for a very long time they could still see humans and cute beings, despite them being shorter

[fossil hollow]

houses are killed and forgotten every month in menzobarranzen

[woven flint]

Powerful spellcaster humans can also live longer or just... clone themselves, if they wanted

[fossil hollow]

like a kid with great danes

[woven flint]

Wish is one hell of a spell

[rough basalt]

Speaking of Big Raga.
I should use him on the Fighter in my Monday game

[woven flint]

I'm being targeted, help

[cyan narwhal]

with this treasure i summon...

[severe rampart]

Mahoraga?

[fossil hollow]

Mahoraga theme

[rough basalt]

I feel like a monster that can just get immunity to a damage/condition type once it's hit by it enough would be terrifying

[woven flint]

I'm sorry, but Orizontas is NOT beating Mahoraga...

Not because he's a fraud...
Because he's a level 5 fighter

[cyan narwhal]

Are you the fighter sora was referring to?

[rough basalt]

Fraudzontas cowered in fear of Big Raga, the Opp Stoppa /j

[woven flint]

Yes.
Orizontas, my Bronze Dragonborn Cavalier FIghter

[cyan narwhal]

Better prepare a new character sheet

[polar meteor]

The difference in activity between Looking For Players and Looking For DM is so funny to me.

[fossil hollow]

gonna join in with the targetting with the cleric on thursday lol

[woven flint]

If Orizontas died, I'd be sad because his boyfriend is another character within the party

[fossil hollow]

the ratio of players to dms was 10:1 or even bigger iirc

[woven flint]

Artanza too?!
Why do people want to kill Tokii all of a sudden?!

[rough basalt]

1:100 I'd say

[woven flint]

next thing you know, Nealens gonna kill Sovis!

[warm shore]

😭 they let one of those guys out the Underdark and he’s been beating up everyone for like 30 years

[polar meteor]

As a forever dm I just wanna play a game and not have to host it. While yes it's fun having being the dm I find myself adding a DMPC more often than not because I'm so burnt out from not playing.

[warm shore]

Not saying every Drow is like drizzt but he’s lowkey been putting in work

[woven flint]

They didn't LET him, he escaped, he FOUGHT to get out of his situation

[rough basalt]

It was hell too

[fossil hollow]

Drizzt almost went insane from the sheer loneliness for almost a... decade?

[rough basalt]

Drizzt went through over a decade of physical and mental trauma before finally meeting the people who would become his family.

[polar meteor]

Like I swear if I posted my info on Looking For DM I doubt I'd get a response but if I put a campaign on Looking For Players I'd get a full party of 7 in under an hour 😭

[rough basalt]

Ye he developed a split personality iirc

Basically his savagery manifested into a separate persona for him.

Something to protect him, keep him alive.

[woven flint]

I've changed my Fairy Wild Magic Sorcerer future character into a Firbolg instead because I think that'd be cooler for shenanagins in the feywilds

[rough basalt]

I'm looking forward to my Wednesday game starting

[woven flint]

(Since animals can understand them and they have advantage on checks to influence them)

[rough basalt]

First time having an Artificer to dm for

And first time having a Wizard that wasn't a troll

[cyan narwhal]

A friend of mine plays a firbolg druid
And they....speak....quite slowly....just like....this....all...the...time

[warm shore]

I lowkey was thinking about making a wizard warforged who wants to use magic to become human cause he wants to have a soul

And then I realized that it was just ripoff Pinnochio

[cyan narwhal]

Lol

Alternatively you could make a Pinocchio character just like Lies Of P mc

[warm shore]

I feel like one of the hardest parts of DnD is making compelling characters that are unique cause like

[polar meteor]

It's so frustrating having to always play DM and all the looking for player posts never fit my time schedule 😭

[fossil hollow]

uniqueness is overrated.

[warm shore]

Somehow everyone in my group has like complex characters and mines so simple 😭

[fossil hollow]

we humans have told almost every version of the same stories throughout the years, not much is truly original. the process of creating is much more important

plus, with dnd chars, you dont need the depth to be from your backstory, the depth should be in the campaign itself

thats where all the fun stuff should be happening

[warm shore]

I feel like DnD is fun because it gives so many variations of classes and different races with character customization, but I feel like I have the most fun with my party when we’re off doing stupid shit

[cyan narwhal]

The background Is simply the starting point, and an excuse for the DM to add events in the plot

[woven flint]

You'd better put animals and plants into your damn campaign that I can talk to, even if its onesided (Firbolg moment)

[rough basalt]

Me when a player gives me a backstory that'll allow me to use someone in them as a villain: "oh yeah its gaming time"

[fossil hollow]

thats like, a requirement of any fairy tale

[cyan narwhal]

That's simply perfect, my rogue's background Is like that

[woven flint]

Turn Orizontas' grandfather into a Death Knight /joking

[fossil hollow]

be the disney princess you want to be

[woven flint]

Its not disney princess..
Its encouraging the animals to troll

[rough basalt]

The Bandit who took your saddle comes back Nemesis system style for your new shiny 2nd one.

[woven flint]

I'm looking forward to that rematch

[fossil hollow]

stares at Pocahantas and Merida

[cyan narwhal]

Beat them up WITH the sandle they want to steal

[rough basalt]

I saw a couple videos about a guy using the Nemesis system in his games and it's honestly a great idea for enemies that are left alive

[fossil hollow]

"STARS!"

[woven flint]

It's not "STARS"
It's "S.T.A.R.S!"

[rough basalt]

Well Nemesis system is in the Shadow of Mordor games.
Basically people who succeed or fail gain rivalry on the player

[fossil hollow]

doesnt Nemesis scream out stars

[rough basalt]

They'll straight up ambush you mid-combat with others if they're mad at you

Nemesis from RE yeah

That's another video I saw from the same dude I think

[fossil hollow]

i didnt actually play the RE with nemesis, im only aware of lady d and mr x for tyrants

[rough basalt]

On how to run a persistent enemy that chases the party

[woven flint]

Yes, but its Stars as in the acronym S.T.A.R.S (Special Tactics and Rescue Service)

[fossil hollow]

yeah, i know the acronym, im saying he shouts out stars

[rough basalt]

Running a RE Nemesis in DnD would be hilarious

[fossil hollow]

relentless juggs are a thing

[rough basalt]

Do it in Strahd.
After the PCs leave death house, he sends one after the party to keep them dancing for his entertainment

[fossil hollow]

whats the relentless we fought in death house?

[rough basalt]

Dunno

[jovial badger]

hello

[rough basalt]

I should be asleep but I'm too energized.

[woven flint]

Minor spoiler for stuff, folks:
||Relentless Impaler, but that's specifically V:EOR||

[fossil hollow]

yeah, i remember researching the relentless for the dullahan oneshot

only reason i didnt use the impaler was cuz its higher than the dullahan lol

[woven flint]

Use the Impaler and a Dullahan

[fossil hollow]

yall were level 7 for that oneshot

[rough basalt]

But yeah Nemesis system is basically a dynamic reputation system that is affected by killing notable figures in an army, defeating them non-lethally, ruining their plans.

Basically if you defeat an Orc in Shadow of Mordor but don't kill him, he'll get stronger and come back after you

[fossil hollow]

i dont need no system for having xanathar and manshoon being pissed when he meets the waterdeep menaces again

[rough basalt]

It's a system that Warner bros. patented so nobody could ever have it in a game again.

But they can't stop me from doing it in dnd.

[woven flint]

The Relentless Impaler kinda reminds me of Pyramid Head when I look at its art

[fossil hollow]

wou-

[woven flint]

It wears an Iron Rhino mask that feels Pyramid Head-esque

[cyan narwhal]

Steal the fish

[rough basalt]

Looking forward to the rematch as well.

[fossil hollow]

the party actually had to take care of the fish for three days

[cyan narwhal]

If you take It you can take care of It forever lol

[woven flint]

It was against our will

[rough basalt]

I'm gonna try and brainwash my two dnd groups into buying an Elephant cause it'd be funny

[proven nova]

So, someone remembers Toriyama

[woven flint]

A special someone delivered the fish and its caretaker right on our damned doorstep

[limber trail]

Can the system be, they aren’t

[woven flint]

You want Orizontas... to ride an elephant into battle?

[rough basalt]

It can carry 1340lbs huh? Huh?

[cyan narwhal]

I changed my pfp into this when he passed away, never changed ever since cause i actually like It now

[fossil hollow]

you stole the fish

[woven flint]

We didn't steal his fish though

[fossil hollow]

he thinks you did

[woven flint]

We'll tell him about Jarlaxle then

[rough basalt]

An Elephant would probably be good in my Wednesday game

[limber trail]

Rude

[fossil hollow]

even worse... sylgar died the day you came

[rough basalt]

I will eventually get a party to buy an elephant if it's the last thing I do

[limber trail]

DID HE????

[severe rampart]

Interesting... jotting this down...

[warm shore]

Don’t make me start ranting about the nemesis system

[limber trail]

Oh god was he the halfling?

[severe rampart]

"do not, under any circumstances, let your party buy an elephant"

[warm shore]

Y’all’s dms let you keep animals 😭 mine makes it his life mission to kill ours

[fossil hollow]

he wasnt the halfling no... but someone forgot to feed him

[limber trail]

Okay that’s neglect that’s not on us

[rough basalt]

I've killed two mounts so far.

[woven flint]

You should let Artanza know if the halfling escaped or not >:[

[rough basalt]

Well. One.
The other fell.

[fossil hollow]

then theres also the chaos avalanche and whirlpool caused

[limber trail]

That could be literally anyone

[fossil hollow]

or landslide. or boldore. whatever the name was

[limber trail]

He’s got about 10 names

[fossil hollow]

no

wait, do any of yall know primordial

[limber trail]

I don’t

[rough basalt]

I like mounted PCs

[warm shore]

Every time I cast find steed, my dm ensures it dies in the most horrific way possible 😭 I really hope I’m not summoning the same warhorse each time, cause he’s gotta have ptsd by now

[fossil hollow]

do you know primordial

[rough basalt]

Sometimes you gotta let your DM soul cage have a snack (mounts/familiars/pets)

[cyan narwhal]

During a one shot session we tamed a triceratops and he became our mount, sadly she got killed by a zombiefied T-Rex :(

[woven flint]

I could with Comprehend Languages (it's on my spell list)

[warm shore]

Wait

[cyan narwhal]

I know of It

[woven flint]

I also have the Tongues Spell

[severe rampart]

I have yet to kill a mount, but I have killed an animated broom of attack that a wizard tamed, and then TPK'ed the party

[fossil hollow]

ic ic

[warm shore]

Hold on, how tf does find steed make a mount? Is the mount magic? Is it teleporting a mount from somewhere else? Is it just binding one specific mount that you just infinitely resummon if it dies? Is the mount just some sort of magical being, even if it looks and acts like a moral warhorse?

Hell, what if it just creates the mount from nothing

[limber trail]

You know it

[severe rampart]

Enter 2000 years into the future where "find steed" Is a controlled spell because it's destroying the ecosystem

[fossil hollow]

you summon one from an outerplane

[woven flint]

Artanza also has Telepathy that doesn't specify he has to understand the creatures language to communicate with it

"You gain telepathy out to 60 feet. When you use this telepathy, you can simultaneously contact a number of creatures equal to your Wisdom modifier (minimum of one)."
@fossil hollow

[warm shore]

Every time is it a different one or the same one?

[limber trail]

Same one unless you want a different one

[fossil hollow]

thats up to your dm wether its the same individual

i generally do same individual for which form it takes

[limber trail]

It’s actually up to you as the player when you cast the spell

[fossil hollow]

e.g., the pegasus is hyacine, the peryton is mydei etc

[limber trail]

(Based on the wording of the spell itself)

[fossil hollow]

i have tormented so many mounts then

[rough basalt]

I need it to be monday

[limber trail]

The steed disappears if it drops to 0 Hit Points or if you die. When it disappears, it leaves behind anything it was wearing or carrying. If you cast this spell again, you decide whether you summon the steed that disappeared or a different one.

[rough basalt]

I need to roll.

[fossil hollow]

so many now

[cyan narwhal]

So you can summon big raga on the fighter?

[limber trail]

I’ve got three days of DnD in a row

[rough basalt]

Yep

I'm trying to get a game started on fridays but it'll be awhile.

[warm shore]

Oh my god I’m evil 😭 I’ve been forcing this poor horse to die over and over again

[woven flint]

Don't encourage him

That's me

[cyan narwhal]

Not my problem lol

[stray sage]

which spell is better, entangle or web?

[limber trail]

My party decided we would run an extra session on Saturday solely dedicated to inter-party RP because they genuinely have four hours of RP to do with one another.

This wouldn’t concern me if the past three sessions were not also almost entirely dedicated to party RP.

[rough basalt]

I got a hilly mountain about to be winter game.
A Desert game.
Now I want a nautical game.

[warm shore]

I lowkey feel like my party’s the total opposite, everyone wants to fight and kill stuff 24/7, and we spend the rest of the time getting better stuff or strategizing to kill stuff, or just general dumb shit, but it’s hilariously fun

[cyan narwhal]

🎵 Ocean Man starts playing 🎵

[limber trail]

The comedy of the fact that I need to try stop my players from RPing isn’t lost on me

[rough basalt]

Both games are sandboxes so for my third game I'd probably wanna do something linear actually

[proven nova]

Idk, I’ve been having some trouble coming up with a new character still.

Something is preventing the creative brain juices from flowing.

[rough basalt]

I still got a good amount of work to be done for my Wednesday game.

But my hyperfixations are going all over the place.

[humble cairn]

Web does a bit more than Entangle, but they also have different saving throws, so they don't entirely overlap.

[rough basalt]

Foundry may be the ultimate tool for a DM with my traits, but one thing it cannot do is make me focus.

[humble cairn]

Web can restrain new targets during it's duration, while Entangle cannot.

[noble basin]

Also on different spell lists and a different spell level

[humble cairn]

Yeah Entangle is a 1st level spell slot. Web is 2nd level.

[noble basin]

Both are good

[hoary totem]

Does your group have a party name? Are there group names for certain characters within your party?

[wooden ginkgo]

It's been almost 3 months

Since the drama in my group, which i the dm caused (not in-game related)

And i'm still feeling like dying
And i'm sure all of them got over it in a few days

And the group is like my ex now
I think i know how people feels so terrible when they breakup with someone and obsesses with their ex

How do i even deal with this, move on or whatever

I realised a week ago that it could've been resolved with apologising (which i thought i did apologise at the start, but i realised i didn't)
Which made me feel even more terrible

And when i caused the drama, the thing that caused it could've been prevented so easily as if it was a fly, and i caused it just because i was impatient

Tell me how to deal with this or get over it

🥀

[hot gate]

I'd try apologizing without an expectation that it will change anything.

[undone rain]

Indeed, it will be hard to regain someones trust and their forgiveness. I recommend apologizing and swear to learn from your mistake. Wether they forgive or not, you still have learned to not let it happen again

[storm wraith]

stupid question:

Fairy for the fairy flair,
Or Human to get Healing word in first level

[worn lagoon]

Fairy with acolyte background to get healing word at the first level

[storm wraith]

yeah, but that would mean i cant get Mage-Armor in the first level :/ - i would only have an AC of 13 without that

[worn lagoon]

What even are you playing

[knotty pasture]

Its only mage armor

[limber trail]

Most classes that can't cast mage armour have light armour proficiency and so you can wear that

[remote wadi]

But this us the equivalent of going to MSG paint and increasing image size

If you took a slime and Increased the size of that, it may have more HP because it would inversely be easier to hit

Like, how is the slime going to dodge a point blank halberd slash or an arrow when they turn from the side of a dwarf to the size of a horse?

[weak sedge]

hi, my pl asks me a question about Philter of Love.
PL: Philter of Love doesn't say that it's can be ended by hurt?
me: ???

[jovial badger]

how do yall dms test your encounters (my first time dming is next week)

[undone rain]

I never realized the people calling giths "frogs" were serious until i find out they reproduce like frogs

So that would be another animal humanoid race in dnd lol

[brazen saddle]

Hey guys im in a campaign right now where I play a dragon born fighter so what sub class should I pick if this helps my top weapon is great axe and great sword

[weak sedge]

Battle Master or Champion, i think.

[peak laurel]

suuhhhhhhhh

[brazen saddle]

So which one

[undone rain]

Yeah was about to say, battlemaster is a great pick if you want to be purely martial

[weak sedge]

i'd rather choose battle master

[brazen saddle]

Ok battle master it is

What buffs does it give you

[undone rain]

You learn 3 maneuvers of your choice that often enhance attacks

[brazen saddle]

What are maneuvers

[undone rain]

Just small boosts in a way.

[brazen saddle]

Like boosts to your stats

[undone rain]

Attacks

[tawdry sentinel]

Sweep someone's legs, or knock their sword from their hand, or pull a particularly scary face

[brazen saddle]

Ok thank you for the advice

[undone rain]

People like to call fighters basic. Me? I call em effective

[feral fulcrum]

Champion is absolutely boring to me. It does absolutely nothing to change how Fighter generally does things (Which is very boring and repettive), and just Crit Fishes. It's the most unfun subclass.

[knotty pasture]

Fighters are basic until we get into the world of Echo Knight tech

[echo meteor]

i mean, if the armor is thicker… it could make it harder to hurt you

[hot gate]

Object size and thickness is usually abstraced as more hp, while the object material determines the AC:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#BreakingObjects

[echo meteor]

it can be defined however the hell the dm deems appropriate. also, try telling an m1 abrams tank that is easier to damage because it is big and has thick armour

[hot gate]

Whoa alright, didn't mean to poke a sore spot.

[echo meteor]

ah i’m not upset

i’m just pointing out how “bigger” doesnt necessarily mean lower ac

[storm wraith]

light armor is 11 AC +Dex , mage armor is 13 ac +Dex , so i dunno

[hot gate]

That's not a correlation I made either tbf

[echo meteor]

every class can now cast mage armor with the new magic initiate feat available to everyone!

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, you could do the same in 2014.

[echo meteor]

in 2024, anyone can get that feat with the right background… it’s not tied to being a human 😭

[still plover]

Literally the reason why Lady Reylana was vuman.

[tall forge]

It never was?

[feral fulcrum]

It was never tied to being human?

[echo meteor]

also for some reason criminals are the best wizards

[feral fulcrum]

Mind you, you can't get it at the start in 2014, but you could always pick it up at lvl 4.

[echo meteor]

ehh, variant humans get a feat

[echo meteor]

gross, level 4 is for fae touched!

[tall forge]

Now instead its tied to a specific background

Which is debatably more restrictive

[echo meteor]

i think it’s sage

but yeah, all wizards should be criminals

[still plover]

Backgrounds should have been made modular and the presets listed as suggestions. There, I've said it again.

[echo meteor]

it gives you dex, con, int… what more do you need? you get thieves tools and stealth

[tall forge]

Wisdom or charisma

[feral fulcrum]

A million dolllars and +20 to INt.

[tall forge]

Int is like, 2nd least used stat for combat

[echo meteor]

i said all wizards

should be criminals

[tall forge]

Point still stands

[feral fulcrum]

Theives tools are pretty useless to Wizards.

[glad arch]

Charisma 1 im guessing?

[tall forge]

Strength, actually

[storm wraith]

laughts in celestial warlock XD

[tall forge]

Charisma saving throws are more common than int saving throws

[echo meteor]

i build my wizard with 16 dex and 17 int

[still plover]

I get you, it's okay.

[glad arch]

Would not have guessed

[feral fulcrum]

And the stats don't really matter? Theives tools are just Worse options to using various spells down the line.

[storm wraith]

but charisma is "only" annoying, but wis, and int saving trows can kill you on an instant

[echo meteor]

i mean, worst thing that could happen if my wizard gets dominated is that i fireball my party… with the highest spell slot i have

[knotty pasture]

So the average dnd game, got it

[echo meteor]

exactly!

[glad arch]

On them for being in your fireball range

[knotty pasture]

Exactly

[echo meteor]

now i have an excuse for fireballing my own party

[storm wraith]

so, what schould i take, mage armor (sage) or healing word (alcolyte) ?

As Rogue starter - i guess to have an emergency heal in your party is usefull?

[echo meteor]

gross, rogue… worst class

[glad arch]

Eh, rogues are fun

[echo meteor]

have you thought of “healer”feat

with thief/fast hands

[storm wraith]

yeah, same effekt as healing word, but only on "touch" - healing word is remote

[echo meteor]

not the same… you can pick people up forever

[tall forge]

Imo look at the spell lists

[echo meteor]

no slot. you just pick people up as long as you’re next to them

[tall forge]

You can change out the spell when you level up

[storm wraith]

but not the spell list as such -> from MI:Clerik, to MI: wizz is not possible

[tall forge]

That’s why i look at the spell lists as a whole

Mage armor Is good early game but for a rogue, it gets redundant the moment you get +1 armor

[storm wraith]

+1 Armor is afaik more mid till late game?

[tribal dirge]

Good evening everyone!

[tall forge]

Depends on the game

[storm wraith]

hi

[tall forge]

Me personally, i have handed it out lvl 5

[echo meteor]

ehh +1 ac isn’t even worth it

[tall forge]

It can totally be worth it

[storm wraith]

+1AC can be the difference between "impossible to hit" and "possible to hit"

[echo meteor]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/4794-wand-of-magic-missiles?srsltid=AfmBOooVifFC7OAQUaNKZf8DPc1-A3Xb31cH5ZxI3eKOu3ZJhADe2i6a

i like this more

[tall forge]

Magic missile is a meh spell

[echo meteor]

funny you say that while youre within my fireball range

[glad arch]

You can (almost, looking at you adamantine armor) always be hit

[undone rain]

Until your out of spellslots

[glad arch]

And yeh saving throw spells still exist

[storm wraith]

yeah, with a nat20.

the 5% is still there

[tall forge]

Adamantine still gets hit by the nat 20

[echo meteor]

shooting 9 darts in a single turn for
9d4+9 damage is pretty good though

[tall forge]

31 damage

[undone rain]

Its an alr spell ngl, it did carry sometimes in bg3

[echo meteor]

tats really good at guaranteed hit

[glad arch]

"any Critical Hit against you becomes a normal hit." I assumed this also applied to a crits property of always hitting

[storm wraith]

i prefer the new true strike -> the weapon attack cantrip

[burnt valley]

Magic Missile is worth it if u could add ur spellcasting modifier to it

[tall forge]

Nope, “normal hit” means no double dice

[tall forge]

I mean, its 2 lvl 3 fireballs

If both fireballs only dealt half damage

[undone rain]

Idk arcane castings too hard im a martial lad

[echo meteor]

you don’t as anything? you just deal damage

[tall forge]

It says “become a normal hit”

Key word here is “hit”, it still hits

[storm wraith]

funny thing, i plan to use the new "True strike" cantrip 😄 -> weapon attack

[echo meteor]

that’s allot of damage for an uncommon item that you dont even need to attune to

[glad arch]

So (by default) a nat 20 has 2 different advanatges, it automatically hits and it crits(double damage)

[undone rain]

Ohhh thats smart

[glad arch]

Its not a nat 20 crits (auto hit and double damage)

[tall forge]

Its not bad but its not great

[tall forge]

Yeah, exactly this

[echo meteor]

wats better?

[storm wraith]

and combine it with my multiclass "celestial warlock" -> and "eldritch smite"

[tall forge]

+1 armor

[undone rain]

I mean it is a simple level 1 spell so makes sense why its not amazing

[glad arch]

Im assuming that also means features expanding your crit range e.g. a 19 crits doesnt mean a 19 automatically hits

[undone rain]

But its an alr spell in early levels

[tall forge]

Nah, the act of critting is an auto hit

[undone rain]

Now we're talkin! Love that

[tall forge]

But crits have 2 effects, the “critical damage” and the “auto hit”

Adamantine armor says, simplified, to treat a crit like a normal hit

[storm wraith]

you cann add sneak attack to the new true strike (because weapon attack), -> Agonyzing Blast -> Radiant Soul ->Fuelled Spellfire -> Eldritch smite

[tall forge]

So it hits, but hits like its not a crit

[echo meteor]

every martial should also get this

https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/4730-ring-of-spell-storing?srsltid=AfmBOoq5TujRlqCv0dRvKBydEMJmMjJNAv9XnXS7g818WjpHdMZeS37q

[undone rain]

Oof thats pure seretonin right there

Pure satisfaction

[echo meteor]

gross, true strike… just cast firebolt

[tall forge]

Technically its better for the wizard to have that

[echo meteor]

its not, you can have the martial concentrate on a spell

[storm wraith]

you only need a magical ranged weapon to bound with , to be able to use it as pakt of the blade weapon

[echo meteor]

MOAR concentration on spells

[storm wraith]

the new true strike is fire and forget

[tall forge]

Make the familiar do that

[echo meteor]

u mean the familiar that has 1hp that can die with a light breeze and well drop the ring that is worth 5000+ gold?

[tall forge]

Hide it in the bag of holding

Or…. Have it fly 300 ft in the air

[echo meteor]

im pretty sure it just dies instantly

[tall forge]

Why would it?

[echo meteor]

can’t the npcs just shoot it?

[echo meteor]

no breathable air

[tall forge]

Suffocation rules take a minute to actually suffocate

[storm wraith]

add Rogue Assasin into the mix (assasin Rogue -> Celestial warlock -> steady aim) , and you have a good alpha strike combo, that sends creatures up to hughe prone. without saving trow (so not even legendary resistance work)

[tall forge]

Hold your breath 😎

[still plover]

Change it on a level up.

[undone rain]

Pure satisfaction

[echo meteor]

30 seconds?

[tall forge]

Thats like, most combat lengths

[echo meteor]

so it casts a spell then flies into a bag of holding?

[tall forge]

Its a strategy for sure

[storm wraith]

look at the new Eldritch invocation "pakt of the blade "-> Eldritch smite "...and you can give the target the Prone condition if it is Huge or smaller."

no save, just a "it is"

[tall forge]

Now, thats why i just dont give the ring of spell storing to players

[echo meteor]

can a familiar do the verbal/sometic component?

[tall forge]

😇

[echo meteor]

i’m not sure if an owl can

[still plover]

No hands.

[echo meteor]

now, if you have a pact of the chain warlock

[tall forge]

Warlock moment

[echo meteor]

i guess a crow can do verbal, not sometic

[storm wraith]

(i wonder what the DM would say, if i send the Adult-Red-Dragon prone in the first round)

[echo meteor]

legendary resistance

[storm wraith]

works only on saving trows. - Eldritch smite dosnt have a saving trow

[cyan narwhal]

It depends, some combos don't require saving throws, so no legendary resistances

[echo meteor]

then don’t get hit nub!

[tall forge]

Hes immune to prone 😎

(How to piss off your players 101)

[echo meteor]

the dragon has featherfall now

[tall forge]

Tbf they could just have that

[storm wraith]

still a "wtf" moment for the dm, or?

[echo meteor]

eldritch smites pretty cool

you dont really find too many uses for making stuff prone

[storm wraith]

yeah, especially since the wording allows you to bound with a ranged weapon - as long it is magical

[tall forge]

I personally just enjoy normal smite

Especially 2024…

[storm wraith]

normal smite only works with mele weapons

and its a bonus action now

[tall forge]

I punch you with my SMITE FIST

[echo meteor]

well, if they hit a dragon at 300ft… the dragon take 30d6 fall damage

[cyan narwhal]

Would It work with a raging barbarian?

Or still a no? (Idk the 2024 changes)

[storm wraith]

Elditch smite dont require a saving trow, it just give them the prone condition,

so, if there is no immunity, then yes

[cyan narwhal]

I mean a raging barbarian/paladin multi class smiting

[tall forge]

20d6 actually

[echo meteor]

many tables ignore the 20d6 limit xD

[tall forge]

And this is why they shouldnt

[storm wraith]

ahh,

Smite is a Bonus action - one attack pro round.

you still can multi-attack, but only one gets the damage boost

[storm wraith]

tbf: That you have a rogue/celestial warlock -> pakt of the blade invocation in your group is ... seldom, i guess

[echo meteor]

ehh just take hexblade warlock with sharpshooter feat

[cyan narwhal]

Ok but 2014 smite isn't a spell, idk if 2024 smite Is a spell now, and if i remember correctly barbarians can't cast spell when raging

That's what i'm wondering

[echo meteor]

or just a fighter with battlemaster well do better actually

[tall forge]

There are 2014 spell smites
They just sucked

Now they buffed the spell smites so you actually have a reason to use em

[cyan narwhal]

I'm talking about regular smite so the barbarian can smite while raging

[storm wraith]

blade patron dont exist anymore, everything what the blade patron has offered is now the blade invocation

[echo meteor]

danggg

[still plover]

I heard Hexblade was being updated?

[echo meteor]

well, a fighter martial with “trip attack” can make the dragon fall prone tooo

a battlemaster fighter pretty good

[storm wraith]

it still exist, but not as a patron -> you have to take any warlock patron and simple take the blade invocation

[echo meteor]

nice,

[undone rain]

Lol the holy fist

[echo meteor]

i saw warlocks do stupid damage

[tall forge]

They can

[echo meteor]

martials do good damage,

[tall forge]

You gotta kinda build for it, but warlocks probably the highest dps in the game

[storm wraith]

personal opinion: celestial warlock, because Radiant soul

[hollow halo]

I have been out a while, but looking to get back into and play this awesome game

[cyan narwhal]

eldritch blast goes brrrrr

[echo meteor]

what happened to hexblade’s curse 😭

[storm wraith]

nah, EB has competition from True strike now - (if you go celestial)

[tall forge]

Tho technically the highest dpr in the game is sorcerer

With a warlock multiclass

[storm wraith]

is a spell now, every warlock can learn it

[echo meteor]

wizard got no love

[tall forge]

Wizard breaks the game and is ignored

[echo meteor]

they just cast dum firebolt

which is pitiful dmg

[limber trail]

Do you think the main appeal of wizard is the cantrip “firebolt”

[cyan narwhal]

Got no love? The class that can do literally anything except fighting in melee (debatable)?
You sure?

[storm wraith]

Bladesung wizard

[echo meteor]

yuhh, i cast sleet storm then just shoot firebolts

[cyan narwhal]

I had the feeling i was forgetting something, thanks for correcting me

[echo meteor]

you just stay in the back and shoot crossbow + firebolt

[cyan narwhal]

That's like no effort wizard

[echo meteor]

you lose your light armor proficiency

[limber trail]

That’s not really how you play a wizard though

[storm wraith]

take the Magic stone cantrip -> use True strike -> voila , more dpr than simple EB

[echo meteor]

what’s wrong with crossbow + firebolt at level 6

[cyan narwhal]

Any caster could do that

[limber trail]

It’s not very good compared to what you could be doing just casting spells

[jovial badger]

dms, how do yall playtest your encounters?

(my first time dming is next week)

[echo meteor]

if only you had infinite spell slots

[tawdry sentinel]

Guesswork and vibes.

[worn lagoon]

It's resourceless. And it's decent resourceless damage. Not all tables run one encounter days.

[limber trail]

It’s relatively easy to manage spell slots even in multiple encounter days

[storm wraith]

yeah, - but only warlock has Agonyzing blast to True strike, and Radiant soul on true strike too -> that makes more DPR than EB

[jovial badger]

the guesswork says its too weak and the vibes say its too strong

[echo meteor]

sure but u can just do crossbow + firebolt most fights

[cyan narwhal]

I was replying to the crossbow + firebolt combo

[echo meteor]

and deal good enough damage

[worn lagoon]

Okay. Use leveled damage spells every turn of every encounter of an 8-encounter day then.

[storm wraith]

you need arrows for the crossbow -> recources

[worn lagoon]

You know I'm referring to class resources, not physical ones.

[echo meteor]

that’s not much

[storm wraith]

it can be much, if you are dungeon diving with limited supply.

[burnt valley]

An optimized caster party can go for 30+ encounters(with all of them at Deadly) and still have have enough juice for more

[limber trail]

I’m not really saying that. What I’m saying is a pretty smart wizard can stretch their spell slots pretty far with spells that deal damage on repeat turns, offer multiple turns worth of actions, etc. I just dont think we should be judging wizard based purely on what it can do with no resources when it’s designed around expending resources.

[echo meteor]

depends on the level tbh

[burnt valley]

0/10 trolling

[fair summit]

Toss the encounter at the party as is and hope for the best 😎

[limber trail]

Now sure sometimes you’ll cast a firebolt and that’s fine but usually you have something more interesting than a firebolt going on as well

[echo meteor]

a warlock can use 2 spell slot EVERY FIGHT

they get it back on a short rest

[tawdry sentinel]

You can share the love around the party. I think that's generally the balancing thing I use.

They focus down critters. You do 20% damage to each party member.

You want it to be a bit harder, you focus someone and shuffle the love onto one hero.

[burnt valley]

Ideally it should none or 1 per encounter

[glad arch]

Thats assuming you take a short rest after every encounter

[storm wraith]

yeah, - i only want to say, its still a recource, you have to keep an eye on it,

[worn lagoon]

A higher level spell slot is better used on a control spell than a damaging one most of the time tbh

[limber trail]

Thats not necessarily true, you’re assuming a short rest between fights. Also, once those spells are gone they’re gone. A wizard can keep going for longer in an individual fight if they need to.

[echo meteor]

a short rest after every encounter is typical

[knotty pasture]

No, this is clearly a Drow matriarch (Drow men are lesser and may be sent to become Wizards)

[glad arch]

Different groups ig, not for me

[limber trail]

It’s possible but it’s definitely not something that happens every time

[echo meteor]

no? did they change the rule that they get ALL slots back after short rest

[burnt valley]

Hyperfixating on damage is an average martial brain (My sorcerer friend unfortunately suffers from this)

[knotty pasture]

And clearly Wizards have third son energy

[glad arch]

Dont always have an hour to sit somewhere

[storm wraith]

7th son

[glad arch]

I mean they always got eldritch blast, i wouldnt say useless

[limber trail]

See the number of other points about not always being able to short rest. Also, see the point where wizards can also get a spell slot back on a short rest. Only one SR a day of course, but I very rarely see more than one short rest a day

[limber trail]

Not useless at all but also not matching the power of what a wizard can pump out if they really need to

[worn lagoon]

I've just been throwing hypnotic patterns and and sharpshooter arrows and that DM never noticed that I've never taken damage

[glad arch]

I vaguely recall 2 sr a day being the 'normal'

[knotty pasture]

"In Menzoberranzan, after a house has two sons, every subsequent male-born child is slaughtered at birth, as it is useless, even for breeding." -- A certain Baenre

[echo meteor]

2 spell slots every fight with warlock + broken ass dpr with eldritch blast even without slots

[knotty pasture]

7th Drow sons wouldn't exist cuz they'd have negative aura in Drow society

[echo meteor]

you can take 2+ short rest a day

[worn lagoon]

Tbh I hate pact magic

[tall forge]

The strength of warlock is they dont really need spell slots, but benefit from them

Thats why if youre a spellcaster warlock… you just go sorcerer

[limber trail]

You can but it’s not something that’s always available to you

[storm wraith]

Eldritch blast is old -> Magical Stone -> True strike is the new meta

[worn lagoon]

You basically cannot afford shield/sbarbs because that's half your spell slots and an entire hypnotic pattern

[limber trail]

A short rest does require a party to sit in one spot for an hour. I can think of a lot of situations where that is not possible.

[glad arch]

Theoretically yes but as mentioned its not always realistically viable

[echo meteor]

2 spellslot per fight is PLENTY most wizards don’t even burn their slots that fast

[echo meteor]

its usually fine

1 hour rest isn’t that long

[cyan narwhal]

It depends a lot on the campaign

[worn lagoon]

It is if you're conservative but it's particularly bad for lv1 spells like the aforemented

[hollow halo]

For A rogue I was going to go swashbuckler with a bow and arrow, whip and daggers but to make coin cheat at 3 card anti

[tall forge]

My campaign couldnt waste 1 hour after every fight, the bbeg woulda escaped by then lmao

[echo meteor]

you don’t cast level 1 spells with warlock, you
always cast max level

[glad arch]

This, sounds like your campaign(s) dont have a lot of time sensitive elements/dangerous areas

[echo meteor]

you only cast spells that scale with level obviously with warlock

[worn lagoon]

Yes. That's why the wizard consuming a lv1 and a lv3 spell slot for their hypnotic pattern and shield isn't equal to the warlock consuming two lv5 ones for both and running out immediately for the fight.

[limber trail]

It’s an hour

An hour is quite a long time to be hidden if you’re in a dungeon

[worn lagoon]

It makes spells like shield and absorb elements sucky

[echo meteor]

i find it hard to justify not taking a short rest

[worn lagoon]

Can also be 10 minutes or an action depending on a cleric

[echo meteor]

it’s not THAT long.

theres also catnap

[cyan narwhal]

Tbh we don't really have time for short rests cause we usually do sessions of 3/4 hours and at the place i go to play we are doing an Adventure League campaign so the party may change every session

[tall forge]

Bbeg got a ritual that’ll be done in 10 minutes

Monsters ambush you while you rest

[storm wraith]

@echo meteor 🙁 Magical Stone : 1D6+Spellcasting) +True Strike: (Spellcasting + Agonyzing Blast + Radiant soul +XD6) -> thats 1D6+4*Spell mod +XD6 for level

[worn lagoon]

At that point just divine intervention prayer of healing

[tall forge]

The bbeg plans around you guys while your wasting time

There are so many reasons you can’t waste an hour

[limber trail]

I can think of a lot of situations that have actually occurred in campaigns I’ve played and ran where an hour has not always been available to get a short rest

[echo meteor]

if the dm is THAT petty, use rope trick

[worn lagoon]

Worst case you have magical cunning which is 1 minute

[tall forge]

That’s not pretty though

[worn lagoon]

It is THE break glass if needed option if there is no cleric

[tall forge]

That’s just realism

[inner silo]

What do you think of a neutral/evil warlock character who's patron is a good guy and forces them to help people, donate to charity and risk their life?

[echo meteor]

its pretty petty, just use rope trick then. 1 hour rest isn’t much

[jovial badger]

used a battle sim and it went terribly for the boss

[worn lagoon]

Heartbreaking: worst person you know has a celestial patron

[limber trail]

DMs don’t ambush players. The goblins who live in this dungeon however do ambush intruders. Roll initiative.

[echo meteor]

rope tricks nice

[tall forge]

You’ve now wasted a spell slot

[storm wraith]

you can go for celestial warlock with "lawfull evil" allingment then. A Angel who wants the demons gone, no matter what. Mission first, consequences be damned- but the warlock itself is a good guy and helps people

[tall forge]

Also you’re ignoring all the time sensitive points made

[limber trail]

Okay awesome. There is now a floating rope that the ambush is being formed around.

[echo meteor]

im pretty sure you can see out

[noble tusk]

This message sponsored by rope trick

[limber trail]

Possibly true but you’re still in an ambush

[inner silo]

I feel like this could be pretty interesting to play. Maybe the character isn't even evil evil, rather neutral who'd rather just keep to themselves but has to take action because of their patron

[echo meteor]

can’t you just ritual cast rope trick WHILE your in the rope trick?

[radiant trench]

Hi, just wanted to ask where I can find a serious and professional free DnD game
I'm tired of just playing with newbies. I want something on the level of Critical Role, competently playing the role, so that there is a challenge and combat and so on.🥺

I have already checked Groupfinder, Role 20 or Owlbear And etc... and didn't find anything what i want

[storm wraith]

like i said: Celestial patron is not "good per se", just alien - a war between celestial and demons. Human moral dosnt matter for them.

[inner silo]

I thought of going with a hexblade with like a "sword of justice" as their warlock

[storm wraith]

blade patron dosnt exist anymore - its dissolved into invocations now

[limber trail]

Once again, time related pressures forcing you to act are gonna throw a wrench in your plan to stay in a rope trick for hours. You’re also gonna eventually need to long rest or accrue levels of exhaustion.

[inner silo]

It's for a 2014 campaign

[storm wraith]

but 2024 is compatible to 2014 🙂

you can simple add it towards it

[echo meteor]

you aren’t going to stay up there for 24 hours

[worn lagoon]

24 hexblade exists btw, its got updates even

[echo meteor]

cant you cast tiny hut?

[tall forge]

Bad thing happens in 30 minutes. No time to short rest

[worn lagoon]

it takes an hour

[inner silo]

Like a UA version?

[echo meteor]

soo rope trick then hut?

[knotty pasture]

You can use 2014 content in 2024, but you can't use 2024 content in 2014 iirc

[glad arch]

You can do anything if you bribe convince the dm

[inner silo]

Except weapon masteries maybe?

[storm wraith]

thats the reason i take Spellfire adept -> Hit dice are great if you have short rest, without short rest, you can use it as power spike

[knotty pasture]

True, brb buying a pizza for my dm to get advantage in all rolls

[storm wraith]

2D8 additional damage on a hit, without spell slots is nice

[limber trail]

Getting hit die without a short rest is always great

[glad arch]

And besides if you really like 2024 e.g. druid but youre in a 2014 campaign i dont think thats too much of a stretch to ask

[storm wraith]

if the party has short rests, i will remorse to have burned them, but without short rest, they arnt that much

[knotty pasture]

I'm the opposite, 2014 all the way woo

But I do think the 2024 Goliath is cool

2014 Goliath is monotone for what its worth

[storm wraith]

i burn them with fuelled SPellfire if there is no short rest

[echo meteor]

2024 buffed players ALOT

[knotty pasture]

Spellcasters continue to cook harder than ever

[tall forge]

Buffed the monsters too :)

[knotty pasture]

I like 2014 because of the abundance of guides to refer to

[echo meteor]

spellcasters got nerfed

[knotty pasture]

2024 feels too recent and undeveloped by the people with big brains

[tall forge]

They did not

[knotty pasture]

Spellcasters are stronger than ever

[echo meteor]

no more slots on monsters

[knotty pasture]

The strongest martials got knee'd in the stomach while spellcasters are safe

[tall forge]

They didn’t really need slots

[echo meteor]

can’t prepare anything different

[tall forge]

Ok?

Add different stuff then

[dark pewter]

The GM can also simply choose different spells to add to a monster

[limber trail]

It’s actually better for monsters as they no longer use spell slots so they can cast multiple spells in a turn

Now it’s up to DMs if they want to follow that ruling but it is how that works

[tall forge]

Evil..,

It also helps some dms to know what spells they should be casting

Seeing a giant spell lists that involves anything from disintegrate to calm emotions isnt exactly new dm friendly

[tawdry sentinel]

And the handful of spells they would absolutely pre cast if they know you're coming.

[tall forge]

And now we have another reason why short rests arent very viable sometimes

Do you really wanna fight the lich after giving in an hour to prepare

[storm wraith]

yeah, but that would increase the CR.

[limber trail]

Most of the best stat blocks in 2024 actually just have a lot of spells pre cast and factored into the stat blocks. The Archmage comes to mind

[storm wraith]

yeah

since monsters dont have spell slots anymore, its not possible to create attrition on them

[dark pewter]

Sure, any amount of homebrew requires balancing. One of the GM's many hats to wear when running the game

[tawdry sentinel]

I think short resting is basically having a good opportunity for it. Rather than something you can just do because you want to as a player.

It ain't a video game.

Time stands still so you always get to turn up just as the cool thing happens.

Right up until the point you're not going to interact with the cool thing because you've decided you're entitled to short resting four times in this dungeon after being told bad things are happening.

Very much an above table thing to me.

[storm wraith]

the DSR has good rulesets for it

[tawdry sentinel]

DSR?

[storm wraith]

The Dark Sun Rules

DSR and OSR ruleset

[tall forge]

Also this is… a maybe

If i swap out fireball with Lightning bolt nothing really changed

[cyan narwhal]

Depends if you swap or add

[tall forge]

Honestly adding doesn’t change that much either tbh

[cyan narwhal]

Like everything in dnd, It depends what you add

[tall forge]

I mean, yeah?

Thats why i said maybe

[cyan narwhal]

Was just confirming

[limber trail]

Swapping out spells of approximately similar levels will usually work out fine

[storm wraith]

well, yes and no

fireball has Damage as effekt.

but if you change it with other spells, you get other effekts, CC effekts often

[tall forge]

Lightning bolt doesnt do cc

And in the case of other spells, youre swapping out confirmed damage with possible CC

[storm wraith]

sorry, my bad

[tall forge]

Its a tradeoff, end of the day

[limber trail]

True but either way I would rarely encourage someone to swap a spell with one of a totally different function. Generally I think it’s a better idea to keep the general purpose a spell intact but pick one that’s a little more flavourful or situational

[tall forge]

Also ignoring the fact that CR == combat difficulty

Theres a lot that goes into how difficult a combat is

[storm wraith]

yeah

at least , for a warlock, EB spam has competition now

[tall forge]

Ehhhhh

[storm wraith]

magic stone -> true strike 🙂

[tall forge]

Thats not really competition

[storm wraith]

why?

[tall forge]

Entirely different things for one, eldritch blast is good because its a multi-attack cantrip

[inner silo]

Eb isn't the only usable strategy at least

[tall forge]

Youre better off comparing it to booming blade

Secondly, eldritch blast is good bc its can get buffed by like, 3 different things

[storm wraith]

the new 2024 invocations can go on other cantrips too

its not EB dependent anymore

[tall forge]

Im not just talking about invocations

[inner silo]

They do work worse on any other cantrip too

[tall forge]

And the multi-attack aspect of eldritch blast means the buffs stack

[inner silo]

Hex?

[tall forge]

yeah

[inner silo]

Hex stops being viable after like 3rd level spells though no?

[tall forge]

Yesnt

Itll always be viable as an eldritch blast buff

[inner silo]

I see

[tall forge]

Bc its so cheap specifically

[inner silo]

Cheap?

[glass granite]

It’s only first level

[tall forge]

Just multiclass into sorcerer and its a 1st level spell that increases damage

[inner silo]

It's a 1st level spell that doesn't scale while warlock spell slots do

[knotty pasture]

You should save your spell slots for Shield instead of Hex

[inner silo]

I feel like warlock is a multiclass class. It's really good if you multiclass

[tall forge]

2014 it and fighter and sorcerer were THE multiclass classes

[vernal owl]

any 3rd level spell recommendations for a sorcerer other than fireball? im aiming to be a support/control main sorcerer so i dont need more damaging options

[inner silo]

Warlock is probably rather the 1-2 level dip class

[glass granite]

Hypnotic pattern if sorcerers get that

[inner silo]

Haste can be useful

[worn lagoon]

Hypnotic pattern, fear

Depending on subclass hunger of hadar is potentially an option

[inner silo]

Sleet storm is lowkey an underrated one

[worn lagoon]

Command is lv1 but extremely good

[storm wraith]

no, it cost you a warlock spellslot.

It dosnt matter if its first level

[worn lagoon]

Smart usage of command: flee can allow your melee party members to get oppurtunity attacks and even chain spells (via war caster) while wasting the opponent's turn

[inner silo]

Sorcerers get hunger?

[vernal owl]

we're playing curse of strahd so i wanna pick something that might help with the undead and monsters that are abundant in barovia

[worn lagoon]

Aberrant does

[storm wraith]

no, you cant cast warlock spells with other classes

[inner silo]

Dam

[storm wraith]

Celestial warlock 😄

[worn lagoon]

Draconic gets command, it's great

[vernal owl]

im planning to pick haunted one sorcerer at level 3 😭

[worn lagoon]

What

[vernal owl]

its a subclass from the grim hollow pack thingy

[worn lagoon]

Yeah idk can't help

[vernal owl]

just needed recommendations for 3rd level spells from the base sorcerer spell list, ill look into the ones yall mentioned

[severe rampart]

Spirit Guardians and dodging

[dark basin]

Spirit Guardians is a cleric spell.

While it is technically on the divine soul spell list, it is not default sorcerer.

[severe rampart]

Oh, sorry, I was under the assumption they were a divine soul sorcerer

[dark basin]

All good.

[vernal owl]

oh nope im planning on playing the haunted one sorcerer

[tall forge]

You can if you have the spell slots?

[severe rampart]

The haunted one is a background, is it not?

[vernal owl]

oh shit its called haunted sorcery not haunted one, mb

[dark basin]

Haunted Sorcerer is a Grim Hollow subclass. Haunted One is a back ground.

[severe rampart]

All good! sounds like a very interesting character

[dark basin]

For 3rd level sorcerer spells I recommend hypnotic pattern and the pretty stereotypical fireball, it's a great spell against anything without resistance or immunity; really depends on the setting.

[storm wraith]

thats the fun part: read the pakt magic , and multiclass rules.

😄

[tall forge]

Yea they dont combine, but you can cast warlock spells with sorcerer spell slots

[reef tundra]

Might be a hot take but I love pact magic

[worn lagoon]

I have a love-hate relationship with it

[reef tundra]

I think it so perfectly embodies the feeling of borrowed power that warlock has to me

[worn lagoon]

Clunkily wasting half your spellpower by casting shield at lv5 is funny

[reef tundra]

It is pretty funny

[worn lagoon]

It does encapsulate the feeling of warlocks having the least control of their magic

[reef tundra]

I mean don’t get me wrong I can see the downsides of it and I think it’s valid that people would prefer other classes, but god dayum I love it

[worn lagoon]

I definitely enjoy throwing hypnotic patterns all day at lv5

A few levels of sorcerer after that also fixes the key issue

[knotty pasture]

Fortunately you can grab Moderately Armored for up to +4 AC permanently

It ain't much but its honest work

[dark basin]

Uh, what? Would you mind explaining because I'm a bit confused about the +4 AC?

[storm wraith]

i would go for draconic 3 if possible

[worn lagoon]

Yuh

17 AC is comfy enough

[knotty pasture]

Half Plate gives you 17 AC with 14 dex, equipping a shield gives you another +2 for a total of 19

[storm wraith]

because unarmored defense - you have the asi for other things

[knotty pasture]

This is assuming you reached 15 AC through 14 dex and mage armor

[worn lagoon]

I once had 18 ac at lv3 thanks to rolled stats as draconic, it was nice

[storm wraith]

now its only at level 3

[worn lagoon]

Mistype

[dark basin]

Moderately armored only gives training with medium armor, not shields. However, I do see what you mean for the +4 due to the armor.

[worn lagoon]

24 nerfed moderately armored

[storm wraith]

yeah, - i would take draconic sorcerer , and not the moderately armored feat -> that gives you both

[knotty pasture]

Moderately gives shield proficiency in 2014

A shame mono Warlock got hit in 2024 but

[dark basin]

I was referring to 2024. I get the misconception now, my bad.

[storm wraith]

it looks like, 2024 would give you way more for multiclassing than the 2014 version

[knotty pasture]

Seems that way

But Warlock loves multiclassing anyways so this is just beelining it to multiclassing more

[dark basin]

I don't like the change. A cleric without a domain until level 3, a warlock without a patron till level 3, etc. just feels off. Sorcerer who gets their power from.... uhhh... give it time...

Of course players have ideas ahead of time, but not seeing any gameplay reflection of that is disappointing.

[storm wraith]

sorcerer, i let it slip because - your powers awaken slowly

But the patron on level 3 is meh ...

"hey i have power from a patron " - "which one?" - "oh i havnt decided yet"

[tall forge]

I never ran lvl 1 anyways so it doesn’t change much for me

[glass granite]

I’m pretty sure you can know your patron before level three, you just don’t unlock the subclass features till then

Same with cleric

[dark basin]

That's why I mention the lack of gameplay reflection.

[glass granite]

True

[vernal owl]

we're playing curse of strahd, im planning on picking something that might help with the undead and monsters in barovia

[proper wadi]

hi

[storm wraith]

like i said : Celestial Warlock , with Spellfire adept 😄

[vernal owl]

;-;

[severe rampart]

you are the complete opposite of my players in curse of strahd, a fire goliath wanted to be vulnerable to Fire Damage for "backstory reasons" 😭

[worn lagoon]

i also dislike itù but the personal justification i came up for it was that a very low level warlock is using little bits of power seeped from universally utilized entities like hadar (every warlock can use "of hadar" spells etc.), agathys until they"re good enough to pact with something strong- like using the school wifi to play a shooter until competitive play demands an actual good internet connection at your own home

[glass granite]

I’ve always thought of the first two levels as a sort of trial before you go to the premium package

[dark basin]

I would recommend do strategy in regard to your character. I like to avoid meta-gaming whenever possible. If your PC notices a lot of enemies are undead, preparing an undead spell ahead of time will be advantageous and make sense in the story.

Just this last Friday I was playing a paladin with a flame tongue. Hit an enemy I knew to be fire immune just so my guy could have the 'waaahahhh' moment and learn something new. 🙂

[vernal owl]

crine 😭 😭 well i dont want to purposefuly sabotage my character but dont exactly wanna power-game if that makes sense

[worn lagoon]

I recommend the opposite

[storm wraith]

still,

you go for celestial, and the only things you have realy acces to is "hadar and agatys?" - :/

[worn lagoon]

until you are an actual celestial warlock yeah pretty much

[storm wraith]

great, - as a celestial i fuell my power with Hadar , the Drinker of live-force 🙂

[reef tundra]

Levels 1 and 2 are the tutorial levels, I support the decision of not throwing the choice of subclasses at level 1, new players already have so many choices to make and it can be very overwhelming already

[vernal owl]

oo yea definitely! we're just level 2 rn and im planning ahead of time lolol, im gonna change my choices depending on what happens when we actually hit level 5 but i felt like deciding on what i wanted the character to be like right now. including the spells and all

[worn lagoon]

you can choose not to take those spells but there's some eldritch aspect to even the holiest of warlocks

[storm wraith]

dont get me wrong, i dont say it is bad per se - but its somewhat funny.

[worn lagoon]

yup

[reef tundra]

I do understand how lore wise it doesn’t fully make sense, especially with cleric, warlock and sorcerer, but I think it’s a worthy sacrifice for new players having an easier time getting into the game

[worn lagoon]

sorcerer is the one that makes the least sense to wait until lv3 for a subclass

[storm wraith]

yea, i get it, - i dont against it - per se, but as warlock it is ...

your entire power struckture is dependend on your patron -> to start without a patron is ...

[worn lagoon]

organized things like wizard and clerics make a lot more sense to wait until they gain their 'promotion'

[reef copper]

Yeah the change to subclass being lv3 is a strong reson to why i prefer 2014 but there is a bunch more. Although 2024 does bring good things too.

[storm wraith]

well, even sorcerer -> your power are awakening - look at harry potter - it has started without a subclass too

[reef copper]

Feels kinda wierd to compare media that way. They are not related other than being called wizards

[reef tundra]

And also like I said, while I see it doesn’t make sense in lore, it is a worthy sacrifice to make for the game to be easier for new players to handle. I’m sure it’s fine to sacrifice a small amount of verisimilitude to make it less overwhelming for new players

[storm wraith]

Harry poters magic was by birthright, - a sorcerer.

That he had later on multiclassed into wizzard

[knotty pasture]

You technically start with a patron, you just don't know who they properly are

[reef copper]

By that logic mistborns are sorcerers too. Or most other magic systems that i can think of

[knotty pasture]

Like knowing you have a sibling but never seeing them until a year later kinda thing

[reef tundra]

And with lore I like imagining level 1 and 2 as a sort of trial for the warlock or cleric, to see if they are truly worthy of the specific blessing/powers of their god/patron

[dark basin]

If a new player gets overwhelmed by the level 1, or level 2, features I feel as though they are either playing the wrong subclass, not fully briefed on the game, or will reasonably enough get overwhelmed at level 3.

Either way, I believe a DM could make it so level 1 features are level 3 or vice versa, so it's not that big of a deal if you want to run it either way, but having it written like that RAW bothers me.

[glass granite]

I’m pretty sure there’s nothing that states you don’t know who they are either, but I could be wrong

[reef tundra]

I have seen many players at the table fall in love with dnd but were overwhelmed at the beginning. I am grateful I did not have to throw them another giant choice to make at the very start

[limber trail]

Do you not just pick your subclass in your head at level 1? Nothing is stopping a level 1 warlock from picking spells that are devil-like and describing their magic as fiendish

[reef copper]

Good point. Better to be overwhelmed early rather than being somewhat used to few rules and geting a bomb shel of rules every other level later.

[storm wraith]

yeah - you get your power from your bloodline -> sorcerer.

you get your power from study -> Wizzard

you get your power from a pakt -> Warlock

[reef tundra]

I’d say those players were absolutely a right fit for dnd, as they ended up loving it and playing it for years after I introduced them

[limber trail]

It’s a non issue for me. Level 3 can just be the level at which something unique to their patron manifests itself

[storm wraith]

like i said, im not against it, gameplay wise.

But for a warlock, to start a warlock without an active patron is something "?"

[reef tundra]

Everyone has different views on this, so I’ll just agree to disagree.

[limber trail]

I just don’t consider picking your subclass to be picking your patron.

[knotty pasture]

Personally why can't we all start with subclasses at level 1 just sayin

[reef tundra]

I have already provided two solutions to this feeling, either - endure the sacrifice of a tiny bit of verisimilitude, or simply view it as a trial for the warlock, to prove they’re worthy of the patron’s unique power

[limber trail]

I even think that if you’re committed you can take a fiendish patron narratively and still make other subclasses work with a clever DM and some liberal reflavouring

[reef copper]

A lot better than all being 3 for shure

[reef tundra]

I have explained that at level 1 players are already given so many choices and abilities they need to learn, which can be very overwhelming for new players

[humble cairn]

I like subclasses at 3.

[reef tundra]

Same. Levels 1 and 2 are the tutorial classes, I am fine without my subclass for them

If the group is remotely experienced with dnd, they should not be starting at level 1 or 2 anyway IMO

[storm wraith]

same here,

• gameplay wise its good.

[reef copper]

Fighter is probably the class with the weakest reason to get subclass early. Since they should focus on using the weapons and armor first. So lvl 2-3 seems reasonable for me for fighter but all else can get lvl 1 imo

[reef tundra]

We’re all turning into broken record players here

[humble cairn]

And I like warlocks at levels 1-2 being people experimenting with dark powers without having bound themselves to one such power or another yet.

[storm wraith]

quite the oposite , the most deaths are happening <lvl3 .

The HP pool is not big enough to forgive errors

[humble cairn]

Such is the way of a discord channel.

[reef tundra]

Because you’re not meant to throw difficult enemies at levels 1 and 2 because they are the tutorial levels

[limber trail]

So gamers, what have you got going on in your dnd games this week?

[fair summit]

Probably cancelled for missing a player, maybe
The uncertainty is killing me lol

[storm wraith]

a pack of wolves (CR <1) - from an ambush, can create a TPK very easy

[olive stag]

Well...not much...