dnd-discussion

[hoary totem]

harengons my beloved

[keen jewel]

Kk

[spring light]

fire go brrrr

[fossil hollow]

bigger dice, and hits objects

[spring light]

and how you gonna mind sliver mindless creatures or objects?

[severe rampart]

What is with my players and wanting to keep the animated broom as a pet

[woven flint]

Honestly, as long as F exists, i don't think he trusts the world enough to just die and leave his daughter alone, so he'd have to politely decline

[spring light]

ofc they do.

[harsh hollow]

Because some people who make campaigns have certain restrictions on spells/species/etc for plot reasons.

[fossil hollow]

death and history dont wait for no one

[mighty wharf]

I usually go tiny servant command>web>magic stone BAs>have the familiar drop the stones to them>mind sliver every turn to keep up web>have silvery barbs/chronal shift for forcing failed saves on web or phantasmal force.

[severe rampart]

Last session the broom killed a PC and now they're keeping it

[hoary totem]

Mind Sliver has a good rider debuff, a good damage type and hits on a commonly lower stat. My favourite cantrip

[keen jewel]

Very controversial but, should dhampir bite count as an unarmed attack and as such be able to use martial arts die on the d4 aspect of the d4+con modifier attack. It would be D6 + con modifier with the die obviously going up with the monks levels. It used to work in 2014/5e.

[woven flint]

Mind Sliver my beloved

[tame kelp]

Bard can cast Dispel Magic?

[mighty wharf]

I don't think I'm ever unequipping mindsliver

[fossil hollow]

is it on the spell list?

[spring light]

ofc it did, and ofc they are.

have they named it yet?

[fossil hollow]

actually, they didnt work with monk since they dont use str.

[woven flint]

The broom

[hoary totem]

Best damage cantrip, dare I say, best cantrip

[fossil hollow]

eldritch blast is right there to sell your soul for

[spring light]

eldritch blast though

[severe rampart]

... Bitsy.

[woven flint]

My argument against Eldritch Blast is that it requires MULTIPLE attack rolls to hit for the best damage

[mighty wharf]

Hear me out: the Guidance+lucky feature combo is NUTS.

[keen jewel]

That’s untrue because the bite in 2014 counted as simple weapon so people would just use martial arts die to replace the d4 die of the dhampir bite. You just keep the con modifier and replace the die.

[fossil hollow]

martial arts replaces STR with DEX. Dhamphirs use CON, which means they cant

[steady sentinel]

Be me who missed a Eldritch Blast that had advantage

[spring light]

now, you have a secret tool to use later.

When you need to hurt/anger/motivate your party, you can do something to Bitsy

[hoary totem]

Chronurgy wizards with chronal shift and silvery barbs hhehehhehhheheeeehhehehhehe

[mighty wharf]

I love Tasha's Hideous Laughter and Command. They're such good level 1 spells

[severe rampart]

Oh I am so proud of my player emotionally manipulating this spectre by using themauturgy to recreate baby sounds

[echo meteor]

do you need to be a chronurgy/dunamancy wizard to cast

“gravity sinkhole”?

[keen jewel]

That’s not the same ability the replace stat and damage replacement are 2 diff abilities

[woven flint]

My Warlock doesn't use Eldritch Blast...
Because he's based

[mighty wharf]

I take them all. Gave up warcaster til level 9.

[fossil hollow]

both are in martial arts, what are you talking about

[hoary totem]

It's a dunamancy spell. You need to be a chronurgist or graviturgist

[mighty wharf]

I can use lucky for con saves. My DM also is hardly targeting me and I'm confident in my early game. I'm wanting the versatility of lucky more

[harsh hollow]

I think some of the Dunamancy spells are on the regular Wizard list as a DM caveat kind of thing?

[fossil hollow]

monks get two features at level 1, and thats martial arts and unarmored defense

[keen jewel]

But they aren’t intertwined, you can replace the die and not use the str->dex. They’re both under martial arts but they are separate

[echo meteor]

dang, its such a great spell too. i guess im making a chronurgy wizard next

[harsh hollow]

Godspeed, they're one of the subclasses that tend to get vetoed.

[echo meteor]

currently playing a bladesinger wizard, pretty sick

[mighty wharf]

I'm telling you, ArtiChron is so peak.

[hoary totem]

very op and very fun

[echo meteor]

gravity sink is an amazing spell though

[hoary totem]

the physicsy techy aesthetic goes hard

[fossil hollow]

oh huh, you do replace the die... i need to find whoever told me the opposite

[harsh hollow]

Oh yeah it's less the dunemancy spells and more what Chronomancer can get up to with it's class features.

[spring light]

too bad it's 3rd party

[stray atlas]

ok so a bit of a more strange question than usual this time

[mighty wharf]

Oh it totally does, steampunk techy all the way.

[stray atlas]

are there any goddesses associated with revenge or enduring hardship in dnd?

[still bolt]

aren't those different things-

[echo meteor]

idrc about chronurgy, i think bladesinger get better passive.

[dense nacelle]

If I saw a goblin irl I would stomp on it until it was a small brown stain

[spring light]

shar kinda, right off the top of my head.

[echo meteor]

some of the features r nice though

[hoary totem]

clockwork sorcerers too!!

[stray atlas]

it's for a friend's character and they've been looking for a while

[harsh hollow]

The "spell in pill form" thing can get busted from what I'm told.

[fossil hollow]

shar, elistrae, nemesis technically still exists.

[stray atlas]

shar is very close but they're looking for a more good aligned deity

[keen jewel]

Sent in DMs a min ago, now that’s 2014 but now the dhampir bite is not a simple weapon and in this limbo where it may or not be a unarmed attack, it replaces a unarmed attack but isn’t officially called one.

[spring light]

😉 selune in that case. It's the same god

[harsh hollow]

Spells are back, in pill form.

[mighty wharf]

Always going first as chronurgist and having 4 pseudo-Commands and 2 budget Portents by level 6 or so is AMAZING.

[echo meteor]

it CAN but its at level 10… alot of stuff get busted at level 10, including your enemies

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure the astarion one calls it an unarme

[keen jewel]

So you think that it’s RAW that the martial arts die can replace the dhampir die?

[stray atlas]

elistrae is perfect thank you

[hoary totem]

The rogue is casting fireballs.

[mighty wharf]

And you get an AMAZING set of spells for both roleplay and gaming! Sapping Sting, Vortex Warp, Reality Break, the gravity spell, so cool

[echo meteor]

i find the type of enemies that you fight against at level 10 can do a TON of “broken” things on their own. DMs tend to kind of play them suboptimally either to prevent tpk, or they genuinely don’t know

[stray atlas]

they were a drow too which makes it work especially well

[fossil hollow]

gimme a moment, i need to find the exact wording, and avrae is not giving me the astarion version

[harsh hollow]

With your casting stats, no less.

[fossil hollow]

and screw astarion's book of hunger being digital only

[mighty wharf]

Arcane Abeyance and Convergent Future are just broken and so much BS you can do with them, do I need to explain?

[spring light]

all these spells being thrown around... but there's really only 1 spell that's needed.
And that's fireball.

[severe rampart]

... the two wizards that wanted to tame the broom rolled a natural 20 and tamed it.

[harsh hollow]

There's a nice little loop of inspiration with the new Carouser backround from the book of hungers.

[keen jewel]

I appreciate amigo. I’m new to dnd but I wanna make a dhampir monk and can’t justify it if the the dhampir bite isn’t compatible

[mighty wharf]

Is it a broom of flying...

[spring light]

it's such a covenient plot hook for you now

[severe rampart]

it was an Animated Broom of Attack

[fossil hollow]

Vampiric Bite. When you use your Unarmed Strike and deal damage, you can choose to bite with your fangs. You deal Piercing damage equal to 1d4 plus your Constitution modifier instead of the normal damage of an Unarmed Strike.
its explicitly a UAS

[glass granite]

Iirc because of the wording, you have to choose between unarmed strikes OR the Dhampir bite and not both (smt about them saying that you do the special damage instead of the regular one)

[harsh hollow]

A 2024 human with the Carouser background and Musician feat has a nice little loop where they get it, their friends get it, and they get it back when seeing their friends use it.

[fossil hollow]

you replace the die, just cant replace the mod added for the damage

[keen jewel]

Ofc

I was arguing with someone on Reddit over this 😭:

[glass granite]

But I could be misremembering

[fossil hollow]

reddit is a shit hole

[harsh hollow]

Planning on making a party girl Genies Paladin with this. Strong gameplaywise and thematic characterwise at the same time.

[severe rampart]

Why don't they kill this thing, this thing has almost always killed someone

[keen jewel]

Downloaded it recently to get some opinions and interpretations on 2024 cuz it’s… yeah

[echo meteor]

you start fighting against monsters like mindflayers at level 10, and MULTIPLE of them, as your goal may be to destroy the elder brain

[fossil hollow]

Tamms, stop lurking

[mighty wharf]

I think the idea behind the Vampire Bite was you're supposed to bite teammates to get buffs to ability rolls n stuff... super funny roleplay potential and a psuedo guidance

[spring light]

because it's cute. the bad guy can kidnap it while they're alseep

[keen jewel]

Maybe

[fossil hollow]

or a bag o rats

[keen jewel]

Time to make a dhampir monk!

[echo meteor]

level 10 abilities sound broken until you realize that the monsters you fight against also get ridiculous

[mighty wharf]

"Vlet me thuck ur bluud! I vust vdo an investigation!"

[glass granite]

Helll yeahhhh
I have an astral self Dhampir monk that I’m dying to play

[keen jewel]

Any suggestions for a subclass based on viability and not roleplay

[glass granite]

2024 or 2014?

[fossil hollow]

mercy

[keen jewel]

2024

[keen jewel]

Anything but mercy 😷

[glass granite]

Mercy or elemental warrior
Tbh all are good for 2024

[keen jewel]

Genuinely don’t like it, idk

[fossil hollow]

mercy, open hand, elements, and shadow

[harsh hollow]

Should've picked Mercyyyy.

[keen jewel]

Open hand takes too long to be cool

[mighty wharf]

Shadow monk would be awesome for a vampire

[fossil hollow]

all of the 2024 ones are good

[keen jewel]

Level 17 for the most badass move in the game

[glass granite]

I’d like to throw in astral self to this, but this is my suggestion

[fossil hollow]

you get steel wind strike at level 9 with a wizard

[keen jewel]

It’s like the samurai equivalent of cutting 1000 slashes and only cutting 5 seconds later after a pose,power range/anime style

[harsh hollow]

Speaking of Monk they need to remake Kensei with weapon masteries.

[keen jewel]

Open hand monk so cool

[fossil hollow]

judgement cut is right there

[fickle heart]

Speaking of Kensai, I gotta rewrite it for a campaign buddy...

[keen jewel]

Not compatible for dhampir anymore tho

[fossil hollow]

dew eat. i want to see my enemies suffer

[mighty wharf]

I'm waiting to encounter a Big Dude That Is Not The BBEG so I can Suggestion+Feign Death him.

[keen jewel]

The bite went from simple weapon to unarmed attack

Can’t have Kansai weapon teeth

[fossil hollow]

pull em out /j

[keen jewel]

Gotta go 2014 for it

[mighty wharf]

Preferrably not a singular dude.

[normal canyon]

What’s a bbeg

[harsh hollow]

Oh yeah no it doesn't solve your issue I just want cool modern Kensei.

[mighty wharf]

I might do it to a basic dragon with legendary resistance since it'd take 3 turns to burn through his resistance.

[spring light]

tfw a spell is reflected

[fossil hollow]

also, cant wait for dragonlance

[keen jewel]

5.5e genuinely has so much good, some bad and than just missing so much stuff from 5e that didn’t carry over, genuinely a shame

[fossil hollow]

funny you think they will fail three times in a row

[fickle heart]

With my init, I can wait.

[fossil hollow]

lmao

[stray atlas]

been wondering something btw

[fickle heart]

The fact that I'm playing two DEX chars and both have awful init always is not lost on me.

[mighty wharf]

I've been working on ways to burn legendary resistance, haven't tested anything yet.

[stray atlas]

is there a cold focused cleric subclass in any books?

[fossil hollow]

cold cleric? not really

[stray atlas]

been thinking of that for a possible shar cleric

[echo meteor]

i also just realized.. “staff of defense” is an AMAZING magic item, you can cast shield 5 times FOR FREE

[fossil hollow]

keep hitting them with saves.

[stray atlas]

sad but thank you

[fossil hollow]

i think closest is nature

[spring light]

This creature is immune to mind-affecting conditions.

[mighty wharf]

Yeah that's what my Ring of Spell Storing is for lol, spamming either command or readied Tasha's Hideous Laughter, whatever my DM hates more lol.

[mighty wharf]

Thanks, I hate it.

And for that I save my ultimate weapon

[echo meteor]

i think it’s only really useful if you have multiple spell casters in your party, otherwise, you just start blasting, alongside your martials to kill it asap

[glass granite]

Fastest way in my experience is glamor bard

[mighty wharf]

I think I'd use Web to burn through legendary resistance of a dragon because that also restrains it from flying and gives my party advantage

[spring light]

Counterspell as a spell like ability

[fossil hollow]

if it lands or even fails a str save

yknow, the mightiest of monsters, whose strength rivals that of giants?

[marble lion]

What about letting fire breath burn it away

[keen jewel]

Has anyone made a minmaxed persuasion character yet?

[stray atlas]

oh that reminds me, are there any dragons that don't fall under chromatic, gem, or metallic?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[keen jewel]

How did it go

[marble lion]

Is web even allowed to halt gargantuan creatures?

[echo meteor]

if a creature has legendary resistance 5…

it means you have to spend ATLEAST 5 turns trying to burn away its resistance

[fossil hollow]

oh, that was in response to thunder

[harsh hollow]

Aren't there space dragons in Spelljammer?

[marble lion]

Somehow that seems strange

[spring light]

in my pf1e i play a character that specifically does this. she's got a +38 to her roll, before any spells or whatever

[echo meteor]

if it fails the save

[keen jewel]

How do you even loose HAHA

[spring light]

astral dragons, void dragons... i might have made up void dragons

[mighty wharf]

What the- at my table, we rule spell rings and scrolls as "uncounterable" by counterspell, because you don't actually see the spell being cast, just the reading from the scroll or the release of the spell, along with other technicalities. My DM ruled that counterspells require spells to have a level and actual material components to counter, so spell scrolls bypass it.

[marble lion]

That sounds kind of....

[stray atlas]

I feel like there has got to be a limit, sure a single use of web but if like 6 spellcasters use it on you it has gotta do something

[spring light]

it's pf1e, it's a pretty "reasonable" number for a character that specs into it.

[marble lion]

I like that

[echo meteor]

it’s doesn’t have to be “realistic” it’s magical

the spells do what the spells do

[marble lion]

Its not just about realism

[fossil hollow]

so many lesser dragons (wyverns, dragon turtles, dragonnels, pseudodragon), lungs, ferrous, shadow, dracolich, time dragon, space dragons, hollow dragons, to name a few

[stray atlas]

hollow dragons?

[spring light]

your dm is really working hard to make sure the fun is maximized, good on him. or her.

[fossil hollow]

oh wait, not hollow, theyre undead metallics

[stray atlas]

what book and/or edition are they in?

[mighty wharf]

It's a 20ft x 20ft cube, that's a huge area. That's enough for like an adult red dragon which at my level is insane.

[keen jewel]

Dangggg didn’t know 3e campaigns were like that

[fossil hollow]

fizban. theyre undead metallics though

[stray atlas]

what about space dragons then?

[mighty wharf]

I might take sleet storm as an alternative but idk. I kinda like web more. Maybe my DM will allow me to upcast it to be bigger.

[spring light]

My character uses the perform skill for a lot of other skills, it's wacky.

[fossil hollow]

moon and sun dragons. they live in spelljammer.

oh also moonstone dragons exists

[hoary totem]

time dragons would be amazing as a major quest npc

[harsh hollow]

Those are the astral dragons mentioned earlier, I think. Spelljammer.

[keen jewel]

No but genuinely, don’t you get out of conflicts 90% of the time?

[fossil hollow]

none of them are chromatic, metallic, or gem

[hoary totem]

CHRONOMANCY!! the greatest magic of all is CHRONOMANCY!!!

[fossil hollow]

theyre space/spelljammer/astral dragons

[echo meteor]

it’s like mjolnir… you can’t pick it up because it’s heavy. you can’t pick it up because there’s an spell on it that checks for some other attribute.

spells just do what they do

[stray atlas]

I will make a note on them, thank you

[keen jewel]

Vampire dragons!

[stray atlas]

also how the hell do I pronounce eilistraee

[fossil hollow]

whats malzeno doing here

[spring light]

the games i play in have adjusted for this, and we are often up against things that are resistant to such effects or are mindless.

[keen jewel]

Lich dragons!

[mighty wharf]

LICK DRAGONS

[fossil hollow]

thats just a dracolich

[spring light]

draco lich?

[hoary totem]

MH mentioned!

[mighty wharf]

LICKITUNG MY BOY

[marble lion]

Big enough, i didnt know it was as big

[keen jewel]

Yeah, idk the proper names sorry just what it is

[fossil hollow]

you know it

[spring light]

nothing to apologize about. you don't know something until you find out.

[mighty wharf]

CHARGE BLADE?!

[marble lion]

Disagree but in this case, i didnt know webs dimensions

[fossil hollow]

no, switch axe

although ive been playing a lot of greatsword

[mighty wharf]

Wait no that's switch axe. Awww I thought it was a fellow charge blade enjoyer

[keen jewel]

Vampire dragons do exist though and they are more powerfull than Dracolish supposedly, I forget which book it appeared in…

[echo meteor]

if a wizard has “light“ cast on them, but is also “invisible” you get spooky light that seems to come from “nowhere”

[marble lion]

There is a strength save, obviously there is a mechanical working behind it, not like mjolnir

[steady sentinel]

adamantine dragon

[fossil hollow]

i do not have the braincells or natural talent to go through the pdfs

[glass granite]

Mimic dragon

[mighty wharf]

Charge blade is so damn fun but MAN it sucks when you just MISS your SAED

[marble lion]

I agree

[harsh hollow]

Isn't that a metallic?

[echo meteor]

which is my point with web

[fossil hollow]

adamantine dragons were a thing. they were ferrous

[severe rampart]

Again, my players keep opening trapped chests

[marble lion]

I dont see the parallel

[mighty wharf]

It's basically 3 combos and some situational tech. Was my second weapon after gunlance, I wanted a boom weapon in Mh world

[steady sentinel]

They're related

[keen jewel]

I’m a monk main and I’ve been tryna learn rogue, it honestly looks like a less effective monk when it’s comes to 2024(I’m new gen so this my starting place sorry!)

[fossil hollow]

ferrous were rivals of the metallics and chromatics. the lawful aligned ones

[spring light]

have they encounted a mimic chest yet?

[echo meteor]

why do you think web shouldn’t stop something larger if it says it does?

[severe rampart]

Not yet, but it's all traps 💔

a mimic door, yes, not a mimic chest

[spring light]

do you give them non-trapped chests?

[glass granite]

Rogues have a different style. They’re ranged or hit and run, and specialise in skill checks outside of combat

[keen jewel]

If web were as thick as rope, I heard it’s they’re tougher than steel

[mighty wharf]

I have a player at my table who's character is very reckless and it's a rare "it's what my character would do" done right.

[fossil hollow]

chromatic: evil
metallics: good
gem: neutral
ferrous/lung: lawful

[burnt valley]

Based and true

[severe rampart]

One chest that had a letter from Strahd

[steady sentinel]

Mimic house lol

[halcyon forum]

you know whats an interesting rules change that I chose to ignore? Gargantuan is no longer 20x20 or larger. its always 20x20

[mighty wharf]

It's a minor annoyance at best.

[keen jewel]

But even hit and run monks can do similar stuff and can do better just cuz of stunning strike

[severe rampart]

They wanna get more letters from Strahd

[mighty wharf]

I want to use... gaseous form...

[harsh hollow]

Not completely related but sometimes I remember that the new version of Charger does have a size limit but doesn't have a save.

[echo meteor]

those webs aren’t “real” webs, there are “magical” webs that mimick webs, but not entirely

[spring light]

sounds like your players are having a lot of fun.

[glass granite]

Rogues are also the class least dependent on resources

[mighty wharf]

Charger? What is that

[harsh hollow]

A feat.

[keen jewel]

True

[glass granite]

Granted im also a monk main, and will forever love it more than rogue

[harsh hollow]

It lets you push things if you move enough before hitting them.

[steady sentinel]

Oh yeah Amber are also Gem dragon but very different

[harsh hollow]

The old version had a save but the 2024 version doesn't, as long as they aren't more than a size bigger than you, they are getting pushed. No questions asked.

[keen jewel]

I’m a monk/wizard main, lowkey disgusting hybrid who can’t make up his mind lol

[fossil hollow]

we didnt get every dragon type from older editions in 5e

[glass granite]

I’m a monk and bard main

[marble lion]

I dont anymore because i now know the dimensions, but to address specifically why its even a thought for me:
Strength saves are about applying physical force to overcome something
That brings it into physical realms
In physical realms, my judgement will partially depend on "sounds right"
A gargantuan creature i may rule to not be stopped by certain things
I am quite careful and communicative about such rulings so i dont just gotcha players

[fossil hollow]

im still waiting for wotc to make lungs

[keen jewel]

I bet your bards are chill or op

[spring light]

they kept what was fun and worked well

[steady sentinel]

Yeah and that's really unfortunate. Some are really interesting

[fossil hollow]

and lungs arent fun or worked well?

[severe rampart]

giving them a pity letter from Strahd because they've opened all the chests 😭

[glass granite]

Neither. Mildly chaotic con men who have, on occasion, gotten thrown of a cliff

[spring light]

no one needs lungs

[fossil hollow]

what are you trying to say there

[keen jewel]

That’s a cool bard!

[fossil hollow]

... ok, i cant tell if youre referring to lung dragons or lung the organ

[harsh hollow]

I want to play a Verdan that actually gets to go through the level 5 growth spurt. Especially if in-character the team doesn't know it's coming.

[keen jewel]

What’s a verdan

[steady sentinel]

Wotc should update 4e dragons to 5e ngl

[spring light]

it was a gag about the organ, but leaning on the dragon

[fossil hollow]

why?

[burnt valley]

HP still counts as a resource

[harsh hollow]

They're a special type of mutant goblin. At level 5 they go from being regular goblin size to being human sized.

[mighty wharf]

I just remembered I HAVE A RING OF SPELL STORING

[burnt valley]

Why

[mighty wharf]

AT LEVEL 7

[keen jewel]

Why does that feel like a jab LOL

[fossil hollow]

i dont recall anyone really asking for gems

[harsh hollow]

Oh was it 7?

[burnt valley]

Tbh they should re-add Colossal and Colossal+

[spring light]

why did i make a gag? for the funnies?

But why didn't they bring over all the dragons? honestly i really don't know, i assume it's because metallics and chromatics are truly iconic

[keen jewel]

Ohhh, what’s the mechanical and roleplay aspect to that?

[mighty wharf]

No that's the level I got my ring at

[burnt valley]

insert Yuji black flash

[fossil hollow]

no, as in why you think lung dragons arent "fun and worked well"

[harsh hollow]

Essentially they're a very new race because they're fully mutant goblins with unstable DNA that can change a lot over time.

[glass granite]

Yes, hence why they’re the least instead of having none. Every other class has HP and another resource of some kind.

[keen jewel]

Sounds like suto chimera

[steady sentinel]

I actually enjoyed gems. Though wish dragon monk and sorcerer had feature from them

[spring light]

i was going for the gag. ... but let's move on

[mighty wharf]

Nugget I have a spell storing ring I'm gonna die from excitement!

[marble lion]

When ppl compare classes and resources, calling hp a resource reminds me of people who put tomato in fruit salads
Use context clues to avoid being uh

[harsh hollow]

They're one of the few instances of being able to disqualify for a feat. You can pick up Squat Nimbleness when they're level 4 but when you hit the growth spurt from what I've seen you just lose it because you're no longer small.

[glass granite]

I said lezgo earlier when you told the chat
But LEZGO ANYWAY

[keen jewel]

Whattt, that’s interesting

[spring light]

hp is a resources, and as a pc all you really need is 1 hp

[keen jewel]

🔥

[marble lion]

Ofc it is and yet pointing it out in that talk is not very constructive

[mighty wharf]

I'm totally like hyperactive asf, total AuDHD moment for me.

[harsh hollow]

Yeah, this isn't something that happens often. Squat Nimbleness was basically just a way to use a feat to make up for the way small races used to have less walking speed, but still.

[spring light]

not constructive? melee focused characters are absolutely going to consider how much hp they can spend, and how much their ac will soak

[keen jewel]

Guys do yall prefer exp or milestone character progression, im new still haven’t decided my preference.

[harsh hollow]

Honestly I'd argue you should be able to just keep Squat Nimbleness and just have that extra bit of speed when you hit the growth spurt.

[fossil hollow]

i use both, but i like xp

[keen jewel]

I hope you didn’t pick it up

[spring light]

it depends.

[marble lion]

When comparing things like focus, spell slots and metamagic points?
Its not the same thing

[harsh hollow]

Haven't gotten to play a verdan yet, but I want to. It's a unique situation all around.

[keen jewel]

How so

[spring light]

in a specifically spell focused conversation, fair enough.

[harsh hollow]

Plus apparently despite being from another show the book it's from is considered first party.

[marble lion]

But yes it is a very important resource

[keen jewel]

Howcome

[marble lion]

I count rage and maneuvers too

Anything you spend as class mechanics

[glass granite]

And focus for me

[fossil hollow]

players dont give me "do we level up?" and i dont have to worry about pacing as much

[marble lion]

I said focus

[glass granite]

Ah I missed that

[harsh hollow]

I've only ever played in Milestone campaigns.

[keen jewel]

Ohhhh, dm perspective, didn’t account for that Lol

[spring light]

for the adventurer's league style event i run for, i much prefer milestone. just track how many sessions a player has attended before they can level.

But for private games? xp (though not really based on "kills" and more based on what pc do during a session)

[keen jewel]

Isn’t calculating exp also annoying in its own way?

[spring light]

pfff

[harsh hollow]

I typically get the impression less DMs do XP because you're basically obligated to include more fights at that point to make it worthwhile.

If you're XP focused but barely fight you're never levelling.

[marble lion]

I level up ppl after i estimate theyve done enough

[spring light]

if you're only awarding xp based on kills in combat that's kinda... boring

[fossil hollow]

not if youre an encounter building gremlin. i live for those xp calculations going click and nearing the thresholds

[spring light]

and discourages anything other than kills

[keen jewel]

Mhmmmmm

[harsh hollow]

5e is mostly built around fighting at the end of the day. It's how most abilities interact with the game.

[fossil hollow]

and yeah, giving xp for non-combat things is also very much a thing you must do

[keen jewel]

People play dnd for different reasons, some genuinely wanna just beat people or monsters up

[fossil hollow]

i like throwing monsters

[echo meteor]

they are contained in “playstyle” they HAVE to play around their sneak attack

[spring light]

look... all characters have combat abilities... there should be at least some combat.

[marble lion]

I invite those people to join me in a video game where violence is actually shown

[harsh hollow]

I'm not saying it's good to only do combat, I'm just saying it's easy because it's what the game is focused on.

[keen jewel]

I wonder what a DnD campaign with combat as the absolute least important aspect would function, I know many of them exist but I don’t have a reference

[harsh hollow]

The whole reason you level up is to get better tools to fight harder.

[rough basalt]

It is easy

[fossil hollow]

sometimes you just gotta let the players yap in character for 30 minutes

[keen jewel]

Heyyyyy, why!

[spring light]

you'll be looking at what is likely a survival-exploration and/or a social-intrigue focused campaign

[harsh hollow]

Definitely.

[rough basalt]

That's what scrolling is for. For when players yap

[mighty wharf]

I like beating up guys even if all I do is throw magical rocks at them with all my little guys

[echo meteor]

idk, id quickly lose interest and start scrolling through my phone if in was a player 🤣

[marble lion]

Players yapping in character is not when you scroll as DM

[keen jewel]

Chill DnD combat focused players are cool cuz they don’t mind their character dying and will accept and just make another

[rough basalt]

Yes perfect time

[keen jewel]

Love me a high stakes campaign!

[harsh hollow]

I enjoy a good balance of yapping and fighting.

I get far too attached though so I try my best not to die.

[marble lion]

So you just ignore the game as soon as youre not talking

[fossil hollow]

which is... why i dont always do it? im a combat junkie myself, but its fine to let the players yap if its the good group to do so

[spring light]

....as a dm i never check out during a session, though sometimes when my players are chatting ic i'll be preparing something

[marble lion]

I guess every table really is different

[harsh hollow]

Shield if it will block it, Spiny Shield if it won't as I always say.

[mighty wharf]

My party was like "why do the NPCs get a turn can they just sit out of the game?" 😭

[rough basalt]

If they're yapping for longer than a few minutes then yeah

[marble lion]

If someone starts scrolling during others rp, i find that extremely frustrating

[mighty wharf]

The encounter was a little too easy, the DM rolled low

[rough basalt]

I don't ignore it, but I certainly don't sit there listening twiddling my thumbs

[keen jewel]

Nah understandable but some DMs just be letting players get away with anything not get punished. Us players need to face the repercussions of our reckless and bold actions!

[harsh hollow]

I get not being 100% keyed into a scene you're not in, but at the same time it might still be important to the work as a story.

[marble lion]

DMs dream of players talking in character and you check out? Wild

[keen jewel]

LOL FR

[rough basalt]

It's so I can pay attention to them

[keen jewel]

Not yap sessions though

[rough basalt]

If I don't do anything else, I'll zone out.

[echo meteor]

dude! i WISH i can just have multiple characters and can just choose to play the character i want to play for that specific adventuring day

[spring light]

when i get my players to a point where they'll be chatting ic, it's because i've planned for it, and will be doing something while they chat. (and acting like i'm not listening to their cool secret plan)

[marble lion]

I assume as dm you still describe surroundings, tell them "what they know" about something etc

[rough basalt]

Not if they're just yapping in character.

[marble lion]

The DM is never truly out of the game because he is the world

[keen jewel]

They*

[echo meteor]

lore would be that parties finish their quest, they disband, then a different character joins the party…

[rough basalt]

Now if they're yapping while traveling sure

[harsh hollow]

Oh, me and my fellow players have our own group chat for talking over plans during battle so as not to give it away. :3c

[rough basalt]

I'll eventually interject.

[marble lion]

Both is ok in english please

[spring light]

i would prefer if you do give it away, so I can work better to facilitate it

[marble lion]

Feel free to ensure i refer to you by preferred pronouns but using the neutral he is not an offense

[spring light]

if my players are planning, i wanna help them succeed

[marble lion]

That is so true

[spring light]

one of those times when i agree with haise.

[rough basalt]

But if players are just yapping in character for an extended period, I'm doing one of 3 things.
Scrolling
Thinking about later encounters
Doing other stuff.

[harsh hollow]

This is fair, I don't know if it's meant to be entirely deceptive and more just a group huddle kind of deal. The DM knows it exists.

[keen jewel]

How does a campaign work where players wanna withhold info from each other, all my campaigns we just show everything about our characters, I wanna participate in a campaign that withholds info

Like why do I know every spell of someone I may wanna snake

[spring light]

i find that promotes player vs dm mentality. and even though i run the monsters, and the monsters try to kill the pc... i want the pc to succeed.

[harsh hollow]

And if there's something that we know is up to interpretation we of course ask.

[mighty wharf]

My party and I have devised a battle formation: paladin in the middle to back granting passive buffs to everyone, monk goes ahead being our scout and tank, fighter is uh cheerleader ig, and I torture enemies with spells.

[spring light]

it depends. could be running a social-intrigue game where pc have vested interests and are semi-competitive.

[keen jewel]

Hmmm

[fossil hollow]

thats something to establish boundaries and expectations as a group. ive seen groups where a player or two tries to keep secrets, but then ens up dissapointed when the party doesnt take the hook or respects those secrets

[mighty wharf]

I'd say our fighter is a dps alongside the monk. Both of them do crazy damage when I give ALL of their attacks advantage.

[spring light]

could also be waiting for that cool super edgey reveal! idk.

[rough basalt]

Personally I'm not a big fan of secrets out of character

[harsh hollow]

Something important to remember is that what you know as a player isn't something your character knows in-character if they haven't learned it.

[keen jewel]

YEAHHH that’s what I mean

[hot gate]

💯 a session 0 topic

[keen jewel]

MY TABLEMATSS DONT SEEM TO GET THAT

[mighty wharf]

I feel bad for our poor paladin... she has so much analysis paralysis, I don't think she fully understands the half caster or spells.

[keen jewel]

they ARE the character in every sense of the word

[harsh hollow]

Some tables are a bit fast and loose with metagaming and it's not always a huge issue but it can break immersion.

[keen jewel]

I feel bad for my dm

[spring light]

if your character has a secret and you as a player want it to be revealed, you should share this with your fellow players, so they can play with the idea with their characters.

[severe rampart]

I'm about to kill my 2nd PC, surprisingly, the broom is saving them right now

[keen jewel]

We got like 2 locked in people and 5 of the most non series people of all time

[rough basalt]

Killing PCs is always satisfying.

[keen jewel]

You’re one of those.

[spring light]

i don't find it particularly satisfying.

[harsh hollow]

Like the main example is like, if an enemy is weak to fire and you know this in real life but your character never learned that it's kind of immersion breaking to go "I just intuited that I should switch to only fire spells just now for some reason."

[spring light]

if it happens, it happens. but i'm not like ... terribly interested in it

[rough basalt]

I get my sustenance off PC souls.

[keen jewel]

Let’s jump @rough basalt! 🤺

[harsh hollow]

Trolls I think are the ones who regenerate unless you use fire?

[rough basalt]

Or acid

[fossil hollow]

yeap, amongst others

[keen jewel]

You’re evil…

[spring light]

not interested. different people run games different ways, and the beauty of d&d (as you know) is no matter how different we play, we're all still playing d&d

[finite marten]

I bought a dice tray a while ago, used it, liked it, kinda shitty. Weeks later while packing up games, my dad found 4 better dice trays, now I have 4 great trays for free, and one not so good one that I bought for 5 bucks

[fossil hollow]

thats what heracles did with the hydra...

[keen jewel]

Beautifully said amigo

[harsh hollow]

Heracles is a metagamer, you hate to see it. 😔

[severe rampart]

I don't find killing PCs fun but I do see it as a good learning experience

[keen jewel]

I could never dm, I would make it dm vs player

[rough basalt]

I've killed 22 PCs as a GM and 1 as a player

[fossil hollow]

tbf, athena was helping him out a lot

[keen jewel]

It’s just my competitive nature

[spring light]

my nature is to tell an engaging story with a group of people.

[keen jewel]

I bet you have markings on your arms to keep track like Kilmomger from Wakanda LOL

[harsh hollow]

Gotta get those subclasses that come back to life as a feature then.

[mighty wharf]

So I like to play to my enemies weaknesses, and what I've done is I've minmaxed my character to be an Int build, so he'd reasonably know things about creatures. He has +7's to arcana, history, nature, and Investigation, I took the cloistered scholar background and he's also REALLY old so he'd definitely reasonably know how to apply his magic even if it's only in theory.

[harsh hollow]

Wildfire Druid my beloved.

[rough basalt]

I actually do have a discord channel where they're cemented.

[keen jewel]

Can druids turn into dragons ?

[rough basalt]

The first 6 aren't.
They're in unmarked graves cause they were problem players.

[spring light]

it depends

[keen jewel]

what’s the restriction on that

[keen jewel]

Problem players exist?

[harsh hollow]

There's actually a pretty neat dragon-themed third party subclass where the entire suite of features is just turning into a stronger dragon over time.

[spring light]

killing off the pc of problem players doesn't count.

[rough basalt]

Shapechange spell that Druids, Sorcs and Wizards have can turn into Dragons

[spring light]

they're rare, but exist.

[fossil hollow]

i have these invincible title cards that have my username on it (Ti-Moth) for my server profile pic that i switch between when i get a kill. one is bloodied while the other is clean

[rough basalt]

Nah they were tpkd

[mighty wharf]

The thing is, I actually don't know much about the game, so I just go with what my DM is cool with telling me or having me roll for. Sometimes I'll look at a chart on my character sheet for some vague info about condition immunities, but that's like the most metagaming I do unless the DM tells me something.

[harsh hollow]

Griffon's Saddlebag has it.

[tender pier]

Question, to players and dms

How detailed is the world on the campaign your currently on?

[keen jewel]

All my friends are problem players, but that’s what happens when you get highschool friends to play dnd with you. However I don’t think problem players were real lol. @rough basalt

[spring light]

though problem players are just removed from my game, if the question comes up i just say "that character left the group" and that's that.

[severe rampart]

Honestly I think this second group is amazing, they are roleplaying and actively being interested in the story with me

[rough basalt]

They picked a stupid fight with knowledge that would've given them a severe advantage, but didn't use it, and they got punished for it.

[keen jewel]

That’s mad cool

[spring light]

congrats, you're winning at d&d

[harsh hollow]

It's so amazing when people engage like that.

[limber trail]

Would you use the title card from the final episode of season 1 if you got a TPK

[rough basalt]

Was my 1st campaign so I was still indoctrinated by the internets "a good dm never says no"

[keen jewel]

One day, I hope to find the dm of my dreams…

[fossil hollow]

if you are to check my Moth server tag, you can see its currently bloodied

[harsh hollow]

My current table makes all kind of art and writing for our guys.

[spring light]

at the event I run for we had to ask 1 player to stop attending. He was creeping on female players.

[rough basalt]

Never unfairly killed a PC tho.

[spring light]

"yes and" "not but" "no and" "yes but"

[keen jewel]

Wow, I don’t know how to respond to that.

[rough basalt]

And flat yes, and flat no, but they don't wanna accept that

[keen jewel]

How do you even creep on players in dnd

[harsh hollow]

We had a problem player who threw a fit because rolling a 20 during a narrative situation didn't let him upstage another player's clearly telegraphed backstory moment and do literally whatever he wanted. But that got taken care of.

[mighty wharf]

In what time period...

[fossil hollow]

you act like a creep

[rough basalt]

I've been gming for 3 years? Maybe.

[spring light]

the way a guy would creep on a girl. leering, standing over weirdly, drawing weirdly sexualized images, etc

[rough basalt]

Off and on.

[keen jewel]

😭I believe it but that sounds outlandish

[mighty wharf]

Did you hear about that one DM that killed like 20PCs in 2026 so far?

[rough basalt]

Lot of my PC kills come from really dumb decisions

[keen jewel]

You cannot be this downbad

[rough basalt]

Urizt? I thought he'd be up to 50 by now

[harsh hollow]

It's sadly a pretty serious issue.

[spring light]

hence in my over 3 decades of running, it's only occured once.

[limber trail]

I played with a player who showed up with a min-maxed build and got upset when they were killed in their first session. (20th session or so of the campaign). They had some iffy vibes while in the server, made some pretty crass jokes. they ended up leaving the campaign after that one session

[spring light]

in an online game I had a player who tried to dox me and get access to my discord account.

[keen jewel]

Thank you for your service. 🫡

[rough basalt]

I haven't ran into any creeps in 5e but a lot of other types of problem players

[harsh hollow]

Our problem player had control issues. The DM didn't know what the Mystic was and he talked the DM into letting him use it specifically to overshadow everyone.

[severe rampart]

I'm about to kill this broom finally

[keen jewel]

As someone who has played since I assume 2e, what’s your favorite edition?

[rough basalt]

Mainly main character syndrome and trolling

[spring light]

i enjoy telling engaging stories with a group of people.

but... i haven't always been great. there was a point where i ran a game so bad there's an rpg horror story about it... that was made into a multipart crit crab read.

[mighty wharf]

Respectfully I don't wanna play with you guys as my DM you'd crush my poor newbie soul 💀

[rough basalt]

I just make encounters. It's up to the players to overcome them

[mighty wharf]

I like my DM. He and I work well together.

[keen jewel]

I suffer the opposite, I suffer from background character wannabe who is more than meets the eye….

[spring light]

pathfinder 1st edition. or wraith the oblivion.

I honestly don't super enjoy d&d (as a player) but find it easy to host and it's got that name brand recognition.

[limber trail]

I haven’t had the opportunity to play with anyone I saw to be a creep but I’ve definitely played with people who have creep vibes.

[rough basalt]

Unfortunately I had a lot of players who would put 8s in con and expected not to die.

[spring light]

mmm con drain.

[rough basalt]

I've ran into a couple in PF2e but like I said none in 5e

[mighty wharf]

Wow ok I don't blame you for killing these players...

[rough basalt]

Funny enough one of them lasted 9 sessions

[halcyon forum]

dont kill players, thats a crime

[normal canyon]

I have an 8 in con.

[rough basalt]

Cause the party built around negating damage and temp hp

[keen jewel]

Maybe in the future I’ll try pathfinder 1st edition. It’s just sooooo old and I rather play the modern stuff yknow 😭

[rough basalt]

But then he got decimated when he went in melee range with a boss

[spring light]

an oldie but a goodie. i like the stunning flexibility the races and classes (and archetypes) allow.

[marble lion]

You may die

[keen jewel]

Question for the DMs, what stat system do you give your players, 27 point, standard, or 4d6 + drop lowest one.

[rough basalt]

Point

Let's you customize a bit without the chaos of rolling

[mighty wharf]

I have like a 16 in con, 19AC at level 5 and I'm a Wizard. 53 hitpoints. I have shield on my spell list and I haven't been hit once because of my positioning and preparation for encounters. I also restrain my enemies and basically have a super 2024 monk tank on my team that really likes to be a punching bag.

[spring light]

for my public games, standard array.
private games? 4d6 x 7, drop the lowest and rerolls 1s and 2s.

[keen jewel]

I would just go 15/15/15/8/8/8

[rough basalt]

Certainly an approach

[normal canyon]

My homebrew class prevents death a lot.

[mighty wharf]

I also have absorb elements, and we're playing primarily by 2014 rules without the strict 1 spell a turn clause

[harsh hollow]

Only played Pathfinder once as a oneshot to try it but I had a great time.

[severe rampart]

another PC is downed oh boy...

[rough basalt]

It's fun if you don't mind the crunch or like it

[keen jewel]

It’s viable on most weapon classes but it kinda sucks RP

[rough basalt]

For RP in my games, the actual RP itself matters a bit more than skills

[harsh hollow]

When an NPC rambled for ages I used that game's version of Message to beam it into the head of a nearby fellow player because "there's no save against Message".

[rough basalt]

Like if you're intimidating with a show of strength I'll allow strength intimidation even if you don't have an ability that does so.

[keen jewel]

Yeah but if your character is “charismatic” but can’t pass a charisma check to save their life, than the rp doesn’t work unless it’s that situation where the pc thinks they are but they aren’t

[rough basalt]

I mostly come up with DCs on the spot

[keen jewel]

8 charisma is some trash

[spring light]

shhh don't tell the players the secrets!

[rough basalt]

Like if you actually put forward a convincing argument with someone the DC won't be insurmountable

[severe rampart]

Hah! me too!

[rough basalt]

If it's called at all.

[keen jewel]

OHHHH, my dm doesn’t do that

The players are too unserious for that…

[mighty wharf]

I'd say my biggest weaknesses are my 8 strength, 8 charisma, and 10 wisdom. I can be controlled very easily but I do have Lucky to reroll saving throws if I need to and I can stay out of range of most of them with positioning and a mount via phantom steed.

[marble lion]

Instead of str intimidation, i will ask for cha intimidation, but the DC depends on situation, including how imposing you are perhaps

[harsh hollow]

It's like how chances are that if you made a bard with good performance you can't actually play that well, there's some leeway.

[keen jewel]

What’s the standard of time for online vs irl sessions?

[marble lion]

If yoy do a strength display to a poor weak coward, you wont have to roll at all

[rough basalt]

Online is something anyone with access to internet can do.
In person is something only lucky can do

[harsh hollow]

There's less commitment to get to online sessions which makes them more accessible but it's also easier to end up onboarding time wasters.

[keen jewel]

I hear 4 hour sessions is the norm

[jolly agate]

This Is messed up, every time i talk while in a session, if I'm in char. I can't talk, cuz someone has to cast bloody speak to animals

[keen jewel]

Regardless of irl and online

[mighty wharf]

I plan on Magic Jarring an enemy to cover my weaknesses, and storing my body in my bag of holding since it will fit and my race does not need to breathe so it'll survive.

[harsh hollow]

Ohhh, time? That varies from DM to DM.

[jolly agate]

😭

[spring light]

why?

[rough basalt]

Yeah online you gotta deal with ghosters more often

Since there's no potential for their irl rep to be affected

[harsh hollow]

And they don't have to face you to do it.

[rough basalt]

They can do it last second for the thrill too

[marble lion]

Thats what happens when you make your char a cow

For the thrill?

[jolly agate]

Cuz ma char is a Warlock Highland cow

[keen jewel]

How can you invest time than ghost, my time is way to valuable, even now when I’m technically wasting it by texting when I should be sleep, I’m gathering important info to use as my references as a dnd player, time is essence friends.

[harsh hollow]

But it's a lot easier to do, and allows access to campaigns with people a long distance apart.

[mighty wharf]

This plan is a WIP: my body being jn a different dimension in my bag has not been considered yet ruleswise with my DM if it's "within 100ft" or not if I die, but I could double jar or some kind of other jar shenanigans to prevent death.

[jolly agate]

😔

[rough basalt]

Some people ghost games just for fun.

[spring light]

you chose to be a cow?

[marble lion]

I dont think ive ever heard of someone who ghosted for fun lol

[keen jewel]

Lies

[rough basalt]

Perhaps, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[harsh hollow]

Some people do genuinely get a thrill from tricking others. Or decide it's not for them but are too non-confrontational to do it properly.

[rough basalt]

I'd say 9/10 don't wanna play and don't wanna have to tell you

[marble lion]

Or just dont care enough to even tell you

[jolly agate]

It sounded cool at the time. A Highland cow that is the offspring of a cow-headed centaur and a minotaur. who is also a warlock, and has a sister that's just a regular human, with shared custody between Patrons because What patron wouldn't want a cow as their warlock?

[marble lion]

But mostly its awkward fear

[jolly agate]

But now my DM is making me pay for that decision

[rough basalt]

The 1/10 just goes "woo baby! I just screwed over that dm tonight" fortnite dance

[spring light]

if it's not as fun as you had hoped, have you talked to your dm about it yet?

[jolly agate]

Nah Is fun af ngl

[harsh hollow]

How do you wield anything?

[jolly agate]

Mouth and telekinesis

I can only use one handed stuff whit the mouth tho

[spring light]

then enjoy your tears i suppose? but you might be able to get some kind of permanent "speak with animals" item

[harsh hollow]

This is the kind of thing I imagine if you tried to plunk a Humblewood character into regular DnD. They don't even come with Common known standard.

[keen jewel]

YOOO, I just watched a snipbit of your stream, bro ngl, you sound like how you type and that’s cool af 😭

[jolly agate]

But I can carry a LOT of cool stuff

and do cow stuff

[harsh hollow]

What does "cow stuff" consist of?

[keen jewel]

Cow stuff?

[spring light]

eat cud?

[jolly agate]

eat grass, ye. so aint have to worry abt food

[rough basalt]

Ah right streaming.
I remember rage quitting a game and haven't touched my channel since.
Been too busy trying to play tabletop games in a world of ghosters

[keen jewel]

Does it taste good?

[jolly agate]

plus, Nobody ever suspects a cow

[keen jewel]

How many times you been ghosted bro?

[spring light]

what happens when you're on a boat, or in hell, or on a different plane?

[jolly agate]

someone stole a thing?, must be the goblin, not the cow

[rough basalt]

More than a couple dozen times by now I think

[harsh hollow]

"Nobody suspects the butterfly!"

[keen jewel]

ANSWER THE IMPORTANT PART, does it taste good?

[spring light]

exactly what i thought

[jolly agate]

Someone just casted Fireball?, not the cow

[rough basalt]

It's usually best to assume 1 person will ghost when recruiting strangers

[keen jewel]

Bro

[rough basalt]

Uncommon ime for everyone who signs up for a game to actually show up to s0, and following session 1

[jolly agate]

I haven't reached that part yet ngl, I guess I'll have to pray to my patron

[severe rampart]

my players keep rolling 1 damage every time they hit enemies 😭

[keen jewel]

No offense but if it’s that bad, could it be you? You gotta account for everything but than again it’s s0, you can’t be a bad dm in s0. 🤣

[rough basalt]

Like I've tried to get a 5th for my Monday game ever since it was started but first 5th ghosted day of starting the campaign.
2nd fifth ghosted the day of his first session.
3rd fifth ghosted day before.

[harsh hollow]

Speaking of patrons, I hope that Vestige subclass makes it. It's a neat idea.

[rough basalt]

Nah people just ditch

[keen jewel]

I believe it

[harsh hollow]

It's actually pretty common for IRL games to have issues like this.

[mighty wharf]

The only way I want to ruin a DMs night is with Hypnotic Pattern gambling and shenanigans like that

[keen jewel]

New to dna but I understand it

[mighty wharf]

Also just checked out your streams, you sound as tired as you type lol

[keen jewel]

Online dnd seems easy to manage, also easy to dip away too sadly

[rough basalt]

Yep

[keen jewel]

FR, I said the same thing

[harsh hollow]

If you look up videos for dnd horror stories you can get a taste of how it can be sometimes. (Though take this with a grain of salt of course, a lot of them are made up.)

[rough basalt]

My base assumption is people wanna play dnd until it's time to play dnd.

[keen jewel]

Wym by that

[spring light]

if you watch enough, you'll watch some that are about a very bad campaign i ran >_>

[rough basalt]

Basically they wanna play dnd when they sign up but by the time session happens they're like "well I don't wanna play anymore"

[harsh hollow]

People don't like being expected to actually be accountable for things.

[keen jewel]

Omg that sounds like a pump and dump

Make/setup a character than just leave

[spring light]

people like talking about playing dnd more than actually playing

[keen jewel]

Do it over and over again

[mighty wharf]

I'm not very good at roleplay I like the game part of the game

[rough basalt]

"I love talking about DnD, but I'd NEVER play it" DnD fans, 2026

[spring light]

practice makes perfect.

[harsh hollow]

I'm sort of the opposite, I build character classes based on story and what vibes but it's often not that great in combat.

[keen jewel]

I wanna roleplay so bad, but than again I don’t act or seem like a roleplayer 🤣✌️

[spring light]

Me showing up in costume. Have merch of my character

[mighty wharf]

Which is great because a lot of my table is the same we're all new and learning the game, roleplaying is a bit rough for us because we're all playing 8 int uncharismatic bozos

[keen jewel]

SAME

[rough basalt]

Like I almost had to cancel my Thursday game of a different system cause one guy bowed out the right way and then another dude ghosted 5 minutes before session.

[harsh hollow]

My main character right now is a Swarmkeeper Ranger/Wildfire Druid multicass with about even levels. It makes sense with her story but I'm not seeing the high end of either spell list.

[rough basalt]

And I recruited 2 more but one ghosted day of.

[keen jewel]

I’m a freaking nerd so I will almost always make my character’s power up stick to their lore

[rough basalt]

Eventually it happened cause my friend had a day off work and came in to help me finish the game.

[keen jewel]

This a irl or online campaign?

[rough basalt]

Online

[harsh hollow]

Our DM does a fun little system called "plot powers" where every so often we get an ability out of level progression related to major plot points so that's neat at least.

[keen jewel]

You need 1 more?

[mighty wharf]

We're all super chill and crass and goofy OOC and it's just a fun time. In character, some of us just still take it personal when someone insults our BELOVED CHARACTER and we're not very sentimental or story focused...

[rough basalt]

Nah that game finished.
It was just 1 more session which made it all the more frustrating

[keen jewel]

LOL

[marble lion]

Yeah its normal

[spring light]

i'm so into rp that i've been working on an animated series about my character, and loosely (very loosely) based on sessions she's been in

[keen jewel]

If you need a player that won’t ghost, I got you

[rough basalt]

Least the one leaver told me that he just didn't like the system and that he appreciated the invite.

[harsh hollow]

My table is very attached to our characters even though there's only three of us. Not only do we make a lot of art but we've also made several AU versions on the team based on tweaking their backstories.

[rough basalt]

People who leave like that.
Kings/Queens/Monarchs

[keen jewel]

What edition was it

[mighty wharf]

Do you play by 2014 rules or 2024 rules?

[rough basalt]

Shadowdark.
An OSR system that's extremely simplified using 5e's base mechanics but with 1e vibes and lethality.

[keen jewel]

Oh…

[rough basalt]

Basically you just roll d20s and sometimes a damage die

[keen jewel]

I’m ngl, I’m very biased AGAINST 1e

[rough basalt]

Most of it is RP

[spring light]

it's OSR. you roll d20s and sometimes die.

[harsh hollow]

The first person to make an AU made it based on having different Artificer subclasses so we have an AU team for every Artificer Subclass. (Official, all the Keith Baker ones, and Galvanizer.)

[rough basalt]

My friends 1st session was that game he died 3 times

Cause he had 2 PCs with 1hp

[mighty wharf]

That sounds miserable

[spring light]

osr, it's a meatgrinder

[keen jewel]

I would love to give something like that a try tho

[rough basalt]

It was just constant laughing

[keen jewel]

How? What type of customization did you give bro to have 1 hp?

[severe rampart]

One of the PCs just revealed themselves to the others as a Dhamphyr

[rough basalt]

The 1st death was when his goblin flew off a fast riding minecart and crushed headfirst into a wall.

[harsh hollow]

Monster of the Week is pretty good too if you want something a bit more deadly but still fun.

[mighty wharf]

Ok that's actually funny

[limber trail]

I occasionally feel like some of the people on this server genuinely don’t play DnD

[spring light]

only OSR i'm really interested in is MCC

[rough basalt]

Shadowdark most classes have a d4 hit die and you roll 3d6 in order stats.

[limber trail]

Awesome

[spring light]

only some?

[limber trail]

Some people have good takes and seem well intentioned

[rough basalt]

Then last fight was a Shambling Mound and some vine controller Zombies in a graveyard which was even funnier

[keen jewel]

They don’t, I barley do, I have 2 campaigns under my belt, a one shot from 2 years ago and a 2 year ongoing campaign with inexperienced high school students

[mighty wharf]

"Give me your vlood, I need to do an avility check!"

[rough basalt]

His 2nd PC was a graverobber robbing one of the Graves of a zombie being raised

[jolly agate]

oh i almost forgot, in ma last session My party entered a jousting tournament in exchange for a lot of money, and since there was no horse, in the end they used me and the autognome artificer of the party. Ig that's also cow stuff (we won)

[rough basalt]

He then got slammed into a rock wall and died

[jolly agate]

That's why
Cow>>>most of the mid races

[keen jewel]

LOL IK YOU THE BUTT OF THE JOKE THAT MAKES THE TABLE LAUGH

[rough basalt]

His 3rd PC was a dude visiting his grandma's grave who also got cracked against a gate

[keen jewel]

I’m done, cow for the win lol!

[lavish flame]

I run and play weekly! I've also only ever finished 2 campaigns

[jolly agate]

LMAO

[harsh hollow]

Did they homebrew you different properties? Like centaur stats or something?

I figure a cow should have at least as much trouble climbing as they do. x3

[keen jewel]

Why is he so unlucky

[jolly agate]

Nah, magic cow offspring of a cow-headed centaur and a minotaur

[rough basalt]

It was pretty funny.
He did too some work with his deaths tho

[harsh hollow]

I had an idea for a cow-taur I wanted to make one of these days.

[jolly agate]

plus, ma boy has a completely normal sister who is basically a regular human

[rough basalt]

The funniest part was the 4th pc.

[harsh hollow]

Was caught between either making her a cow-taur or a cow-themed saytr.

[rough basalt]

All I saw plopped down on the vtt map was an Imperial City Guard from the original oblivion

And I just couldn't stop laughing

[keen jewel]

Guys what does changing a subclass abilities to fit a character specific abilities be called, house rules or homebrew?

I don’t get the diff…

[spring light]

either

[rough basalt]

Then another PC died and his replacement was Martin Septim from Oblivion

[mighty wharf]

A cow-taur farmer kind of character would be so fun to play! Just a real sweetheart, and you like apologize after COMMITTING WARCRIMES ON YOUR ENEMIES AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[limber trail]

That would be homebrew

[mighty wharf]

"FIREBALL- Ooh, sorry dearie!"

[rough basalt]

Their party got forever written down in the halls of heroes as the "Why the hell are this many people in a graveyard" Crew

[spring light]

house rule: you can swap around certain features to better reflect your build

[marble lion]

Homebrew id say is about creating different content or altering it
Houserules are about rules, not content
There is overlap i think

[halcyon forum]

homebrew is usually something new added to the game, while house rules are variantions of existing rules, and more limited in scope, but the terms are kinda fuzzy and cant always be cleanly separated

[marble lion]

Houserule is what allows homebrew

[jolly agate]

Damn, I should have chosen the thief class. No one, and i mean NO ONE would suspect the cow

[harsh hollow]

I can only picture a midwestern accent too.

[mighty wharf]

"REALITY BREAK- Oh my gosh you poor darlin, oh that must have hurt"

[keen jewel]

People who dm 2024, what’s yall opinion of background’s origin feets?

[rough basalt]

I like them

[keen jewel]

I genuinely hate that farmer has the best one by far…

[harsh hollow]

They're at the end of their origin legs, I think.

[spring light]

D&D needs more feats and more access to feats

[rough basalt]

Makes sense that a farmer would be tough

[prime basin]

great addition, helps to diversify characters more

[keen jewel]

Like I want a minmaxed character but I’m making my character randomly a farmer

[halcyon forum]

the least bad part of 2024 backgrounds

[harsh hollow]

I like it because it means people who want early feats won't all pick variant human.

[prime basin]

Thats why you make custom backgrounds

[keen jewel]

I honestly believe that we should just be able to give a feet that fits a custom background

[prime basin]

and then you just pick the origin feat you want

[harsh hollow]

"Send feat pics."

[keen jewel]

NO, they have to make sense (my opinion)

Ngl tough can work on soilder background tbh

[spring light]

as a dm? i love how simple and and straight forward the origin feats are

[harsh hollow]

The main criticism is that the slightly nerfed Mobile and I can't forgive them for that.

[prime basin]

Who said they didn’t have to make sense?

[keen jewel]

Bro said slight and can’t forgive in the same sentence 😭

[spring light]

this slight will never be forgiven

[keen jewel]

It cannot be that bad

[harsh hollow]

They really said "Turn it down a little bit and make the name a little dumber".

[rough basalt]

I can't wait to get my Wednesday game up and going

[keen jewel]

Speedy was already dumb

[rough basalt]

Can't wait to make people roll survival checks mmmm

[prime basin]

You yourself said that you feel bad having to take farmer to get tough for min maxing purposes which means that it not ideally why you would do but your going out of your way to change your character somewhat to make it make sense.

[jolly agate]

Coolest race in dnd?

[harsh hollow]

(The nerf is that it's called Speedy now and only gives you advantage against opportunity attacks instead of preventing them.)

[keen jewel]

Goblin

[rough basalt]

Gonna be dolling out so much exhaustion points.
Ain't nobody gonna have a positive mod

[spring light]

d&d races kinda boring. . .

[lavish flame]

Good move, needs more Origin Feats and better placements between Origin and General Feats.

[spring light]

especially boring mechanicswise

[severe rampart]

I left at the 5 minute break and oh my lord I came back to my players roleplaying

[rough basalt]

Can't wait to cast a crapload of spells on players too

[prime basin]

I’ve zeroed your location, prepare to never see the light of the sun again

[jolly agate]

Only if you choose boring aaah races like Drow or Theetfling or even human

[severe rampart]

I love being a human

[keen jewel]

5.5e made them more balanced and streamlined, very L

[prime basin]

Drow and Tiefling are boring races

[harsh hollow]

They need to reprint Eldritch Adept already. They made this "paladins and bards no longer need to dip for Pact of the Blade" bed and need to lie in it.

[tidal bough]

It provides the ability for players to take feats on character creation without said feats being overloaded

[spring light]

very easy to run

[severe rampart]

I am so proud of them

[mighty wharf]

I feel like there are lots of cool races... so many possibilities. Kalashtar have some amazing abilities though. Advantage on wisdom saving throws and mind link is just wow.

[tidal bough]

What is your version of "not boring"?

[rough basalt]

Looking forward to seeing how my blood magic fairs in play

[mighty wharf]

Elves getting free access to spells is also just CRAZY?!

[rough basalt]

Even tho it'll probably one shot players

[keen jewel]

My issue with DnD races is there naming, WHY THEY GOTTA BE SO EXOTIC, LIKE DANG

[prime basin]

Anything that resembles a human in the slightest apparently

[harsh hollow]

Can't go wrong with a good 'ol classic elf.

[mighty wharf]

Who hurt you...

[spring light]

races that have fun and varied mechanics which they mostly ironed out of d&d

[keen jewel]

WHY CANT THE NAMES BE SIMPLE, why isn’t cat human just cat human

[rough basalt]

I hurt me.
I also hurt players.
I feel worse about me.

[keen jewel]

Maybe I’m just a lazy namer

[mighty wharf]

You want to hear something cool and fun?

[rough basalt]

What

[spring light]

you can't trademark generic names like that

[tidal bough]

Well thats just their lore, it would be strange if a race/species that has a completely different language system and lore were named in a simalr fashion to human

[harsh hollow]

Remember when they made half-elf and people said "half what elf though?" so they make like 10 different half-elves.

[prime basin]

answer the question

[keen jewel]

That was dramatic effect and a bad example but dang of these names be complicated for no reason

[rough basalt]

Answer what question?

[jolly agate]

IKR, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT AUTOGNOME WAS A THING

[mighty wharf]

I got a ring of spell storing at level 7, I am so excited to use it. My DM set an arcana dc of 25 to convert a Ring of Stars thinking I couldn't make it. I've been SO hyped about this magic item I literally jumped up and cheered when I got it.

[keen jewel]

That… that actually makes sense ngl

[rough basalt]

Nice.

[jolly agate]

There's A LOT of cool races, and ppl just forget they exist

[spring light]

it's boring, i know.

[harsh hollow]

Autognomes are so fun! Petty much all the spelljammer races were pretty cool.

[rough basalt]

I bar a lot of species in my world

[keen jewel]

Dhampir top 5 wasted potential races

[jolly agate]

like freaking autognome, ma boy has an air fryer on his bloody head

[rough basalt]

Due to lore reasons.

[prime basin]

I laugh at this

[keen jewel]

Literally, how do you make a vampire race worse than human balance wise

[harsh hollow]

I do like that Giff/Jiff are just like... naturally intrinsically good at guns.

[harsh hollow]

Walking right up a wall at will is not to be underestimated.

[mighty wharf]

Dhampir are actually really good they get like a free guidance, spider climb, etc.

[rough basalt]

I kinda hope a player in my upcoming game tries to access blood magic

[keen jewel]

It’s not, but human is just so solid rn

[rough basalt]

It'd certainly be an interesting development.

[mighty wharf]

What does the blood magic do?

[prime basin]

they get a bonus action to heal a bit and deal a bit of damage if they need to

[tidal bough]

I mean they are just the base 2024 core rules and 2024 expanded rules which have only recently been released.

Most base features wont have more complex mechanics as having the main basic abilities is sufficient for the purpose of being "core rules".

I think theres also the balance side of things for complex mechanics being built into species

[mighty wharf]

The bite is also added to ability checks isn't it?

[rough basalt]

They're reskins of existing spells that do double damage but first you have to take half the total damage in damage dice it'll do to cast it.

[harsh hollow]

I still find the idea of a dhampir centaur really funny. That entire thing is gonna walk right up the wall.

[keen jewel]

I had a homebrew idea for sudo blood magic

[mighty wharf]

That's where the "free" guidance comes from.

[rough basalt]

Like Homing Bloodmass is Magic Missile

[keen jewel]

BRO LET ME PLAY

[rough basalt]

But it does Necrotic and 2d4 per Missile instead of 1d4

[prime basin]

I’m not sure if its ability checks or attack rolls but yes you can also CHOOSE to do that instead

[rough basalt]

But in order to cast it you take 6d4 Necrotic

[keen jewel]

GIVE ME THE BLOOD

[rough basalt]

This gets crazier with concentration spells later

[harsh hollow]

Did you make it unavoidable damage? Gotta be careful they don't use necrotic resistance to loophole around it.

[prime basin]

Bro’s playing bloodborne

[rough basalt]

Where you're making conc checks cause you're constantly damaging yourself.

[rough basalt]

Ye it ignores resistance.

[harsh hollow]

Perfect.

I feel like that's what they wanted to do with Blood Hunter but the damage you do to yourself is so neglible it doesn't matter.

[rough basalt]

Yeah I used Matt's Blood subclasses from Tal'Dorei as inspiration

[keen jewel]

DnD does necrotic damage very badly in my opinion? Is that a solid take? I am new so it may not be…

[mighty wharf]

A dhampir biting an ally to do an ability check is just so funny to me the roleplay potential is huge

[prime basin]

In what way?

[harsh hollow]

I mean it doesn't do much to the undead, and you're likely to be fighting them. It just depends.

[keen jewel]

Why are most of the good necrotic spells close ranges like chill touch and vampiric touch as examples

[rough basalt]

Cause they do

[prime basin]

Thats because there is like 4 necrotic damage spells

[mighty wharf]

"Wait wait wait... I need... a little vick me up... let me have just a small bite before I do this"

[harsh hollow]

That's because you have to get the most fun source of necrotic damage: The Antimatter Rifle.

[keen jewel]

I regret making a necromancer in my current campaign, summons are annoying to keep track, the lore sucks cuz all my necrotic spells are touch based spells

Never again

[mighty wharf]

HA! The animate dead logistics are getting to you!

[keen jewel]

Yes….

[rough basalt]

But yeah I'm making a collection of blood magic reskins under the idea of cost for reward.

[keen jewel]

Put me on the campaign sir 🫡

[rough basalt]

I do have 1 slot left

[keen jewel]

Very delicious homebrew

[mighty wharf]

Honestly... I am not the type of player who would be interested in this.

[prime basin]

I literally tried to make a druid subclass i made for the 2014 druids which was much simpler because i only had to write down 6 circle spells this time and I literally couldn’t fill each slot with a necrotic spell

[rough basalt]

Solid.
Not every campaign is for everyone.

This campaign is partly so I can learn to run darker themes, but also not sanitizing my own world.

[mighty wharf]

It sounds cool, but I kinda like my regular spells and their cooky nature.

[keen jewel]

Litterly, and chill touch could be cold damage fr

[keen jewel]

It’s reskin, I assume the normal options are there?

[mighty wharf]

I mean I'm going to be waving around a stick of butter in the air drawing a magic circle to cast grease

I don't need... blood... in my grease... to break my concentration...

[prime basin]

That is a very large stick of butter

[keen jewel]

Oh wait @rough basalt

Does that mean some races aren’t compatible with the blood magic

Food for thought

[rough basalt]

Not really a species thing.
Any Wizard and Sorc can access the spells through a certain way

[harsh hollow]

Just because it's blood magic doesn't mean it's your blood, I suppose.

[keen jewel]

You just gonna have to make sense of it lore wise

[prime basin]

If your referring to like warforged, i’m pretty sure they have some sort of fluid running within them below the armor

[keen jewel]

MHMMMMM

[harsh hollow]

It would be funny if an autognome using it used oil instead though.

[keen jewel]

I was

[mighty wharf]

Yeah...

[rough basalt]

Wizards through taking them out of Blood Wizards spellbooks, Sorcerers from a more macabre thing.

[keen jewel]

Why is everything about artificer mid but armorer

[prime basin]

Can clerics use them?

[prime basin]

Are we deadass?

[rough basalt]

I haven't fleshed out the divine blood magic yet so it's a "rumor" that they exist currebtly

[keen jewel]

Si

It’s too hard to use for a simpleton like me

[prime basin]

sure but the blood domain is a thing in taldorei if you want to take inspiration from that

[mighty wharf]

What spells do you have so far? What do the concentration spells look like?

[keen jewel]

Is the blood magic wizard only?

[rough basalt]

Yeah, I'm just lazy

[harsh hollow]

I think Grim Hollow has Sangromancy as well.

[prime basin]

Battle smiths are on a similar if not slightly better level than the armorer

[harsh hollow]

2024 Artillerist is pretty good from what I've heard.

[rough basalt]

There is a Blood Magic subclass from tal'dorei but my spells are Wiz and Sorc.

[keen jewel]

Kk

[keen jewel]

Cap

[prime basin]

i’ve heard pretty good things for it but not as good as the other two

[keen jewel]

1 word, Ironman

[prime basin]

That isn’t how you spell it

[rough basalt]

I can't remember exactly off the top of my head

[harsh hollow]

Yeah but I feel like you're almost obligated to avoid that because it's the easy route.

[keen jewel]

Chill

[harsh hollow]

Every Armorer wants to be Iron Man, diversify.

[prime basin]

Its two words lmao

[rough basalt]

But for Conc spells, you take half of the persistent damage (Roll half it's dice) caused every time target is affected by the spell.

[severe rampart]

just rolleda 2, a 1, and a 0 against a PC 😭

[keen jewel]

I wouldn’t

[keen jewel]

Rn? At 3 am est?

[harsh hollow]

I had an Armorer who basically had the ballistic weave so each mode of the armor was different outfits.

[mighty wharf]

Do you have one with the incapacitated effect?

[keen jewel]

You EU?

[harsh hollow]

That was fun.

[prime basin]

bro lives in europe

[rough basalt]

A lot of my brew comes from boredom.

[mighty wharf]

It's my favorite condition

[rough basalt]

Nah it's mainly damage spells with some having some condition riders

[severe rampart]

right now yeah

[keen jewel]

I have made up brew that will NEVER come into fruition

[rough basalt]

Like Bloodnado

[mighty wharf]

Awwww

[keen jewel]

You EU?

[mighty wharf]

You should name the blood fireball Bloodsplosion

[prime basin]

Most of my brew comes from a really cool character design I have that doesn’t work with standard subclasses

[harsh hollow]

I'm seeing your icon from a distance and keep mistaking it for Nathan Explosion, and all the talk of blood isn't helping. x3

[keen jewel]

As a player, how do you get a dm to implement your brew?

[harsh hollow]

You ask and accept whatever the answer is.

[mighty wharf]

Hey, don't skull react me, Necromancer!

[prime basin]

As a player, I will tell you that you simply ask them

[keen jewel]

I don’t wanna be a necromancer 😭💀

[rough basalt]

But I think whatll balance the spells is the lore and how they're acquired.

[prime basin]

If they say no then you either don’t play that character or go look for a dm who is more accepting

[rough basalt]

Cause if you're caught using Blood Magic in any of the major cities, you're screwed.

[keen jewel]

I feel like my homebrew is OUT there

[rough basalt]

You're now branded an Exile and can't enter cities freely or go to the absolute worst jail on the planet and make a new pc

[harsh hollow]

Essentially, and this isn't iron-clad, but generally first party stuff is considered okay unless they specify it isn't while third party/homebrew stuff isn't okay unless they specify it is.

[keen jewel]

You just love making people suffer HUH

[harsh hollow]

Keep your blood where it belongs. :P

[prime basin]

Thats why you always ask about third party stuff before you begin playing a campaign

[harsh hollow]

Yep!

[keen jewel]

Si!

[rough basalt]

Kind of a theme with the land it takes place in is desperation

[mighty wharf]

Is chronomancy 3rd party?

[harsh hollow]

Yes.

[keen jewel]

Si

[rough basalt]

Will you become desperate enough to rely on blood magic for power and to survive, or will you keep your humanity and on the right side of the law type deal

[harsh hollow]

Echo Knight, Graviturgy, and Chronomancy are all third party for Critical Role.

[mighty wharf]

Probably would be banned at most tables anyways even if it wasn't, right?

[keen jewel]

YES

[prime basin]

Yes but I think a lot more players are used to critical role stuff so its easier to convince them of critical role subclasses and spells

[keen jewel]

Echo knight should just be official

[harsh hollow]

Chronomancy yes, Echo Knight more likely but probably also yes. Graviturgy should be fine though.

[keen jewel]

Genuinely a masterpiece of a homebrew subclass

Even if too strong

[harsh hollow]

I think it needs to be worded a bit differently so people realize the echo is less of a clone and more of an alternate attack location.

[lavish flame]

echo knight is official

[prime basin]

its great but it should be simplified

[harsh hollow]

I don't think it is.

[stiff jewel]

Is there a magic item/class feature/ anything that heals nearby allies whilst dealing damaghe?

[lavish flame]

Wildemount is official 5e

[harsh hollow]

It's listed in the 3rd party books that recently got updated to 2024 by WoTC themselves.

[lavish flame]

Tal'Dorei is third-party, but Wildemount was one of WOTC's releases

[harsh hollow]

They don't seem to agree about that. x3

[mighty wharf]

It's ok I'm happy I got my spell ring 🐒

[prime basin]

Wither and Bloom is a cool spell if you want to look at that one but no subclasses off of my knowledge

[mighty wharf]

At my one table with my frens

[harsh hollow]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog

[keen jewel]

Frens

[harsh hollow]

Here EGTW is listed under Partner Content.

[mighty wharf]

I want to learn Plant Growth, as a wizard somehow. For roleplay reasons. I want to make a Frieren reference.

[stiff jewel]

Not exactly what I am after, but atleast that is something!

[harsh hollow]

If you get Wish you can cast any spell of 8th or lower you want, so that's one of the Somehows.

[prime basin]

I think it’s listed under partnered content because they worked with critical role. Doesn’t mean it is considered third party

[harsh hollow]

You probably have bigger fish to fry at that point though.

[lavish flame]

DDB can disagree, they don't determine what is official

[mighty wharf]

Nah. Actually, I want a basically useless spell that just makes flowers to be pretty. I want to make a statement.

[harsh hollow]

It's a little strange because it seems Acquisitions Incorporated is considered first party even though it doesn't seem like it should be.

[mighty wharf]

I mean an Artichron, with a flower spell? Like c'mon. That's peak.

[harsh hollow]

But because it is Verdan are included standard so that's fine by me.

[stiff jewel]

I kind of miss the days when DDB itself was unofficial, and it and the original D&D Discords were separate, more chances to find games and stuff. Now the other server is gone. 🙁

[mighty wharf]

Theoretically I could make nightshade flowers, shove them down the throats of my enemies, and cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter to make them have a really bad time but...

Hey pretty flowers!

[severe rampart]

About to kill my second PC oh boy...

[lavish flame]

fr? the moderation there was terrible. comically so

[mighty wharf]

Did you just decide that mid session?

[stiff jewel]

Agreed, this (the D&D Beyond server) was better, probably why they closed the old official server and made this the new official server.

but it had more people, so easier to find games

[harsh hollow]

If it's just regular flowers you want, an easy lane would be Magic Initiate (Druid) to get Druidcraft.

[severe rampart]

the pc sacrificed themself so they could let everyone escape

[harsh hollow]

Arguably you could even just make flowers with Prestidigitation.

[mighty wharf]

That's an illusion right?

[harsh hollow]

"Create a harmless sensory effect" is kind of vague but I think it might be an illusion?

I think Druidcraft can definitely make real plants though.

[mighty wharf]

The cantrip is perfect. I'll take it

Oh my god it instantly cleans that's 2 references in one

That is so peak.