dnd-discussion

[glass granite]

Human

[autumn sinew]

Mine is Dragonborn

[torpid hound]

My character has at least 13 in all abilities, this is so Abserd

[feral fulcrum]

It's the free feat, isn't it.

[glass granite]

Damn those stats are good

Yupadoodles

[hidden spindle]

Human.
Tiefling for monster-species hybrid.

[severe rampart]

no dump stat?

[torpid hound]

Did you get the ref?

[severe rampart]

Changelings for sure!

[barren panther]

good rolls?

[torpid hound]

Yes

[glass granite]

Likely not

[torpid hound]

Intelligence and Charisma are 13 if you can even call them dump stats

[feral fulcrum]

That's actually pretty mediocre really. If none of them are high, it's going to be a pain down the line.

[barren panther]

at least 13

[torpid hound]

I said at least
My character is a Fighter with 19 Strength and 18 Constitution

[feral fulcrum]

Dump stats are just stats you have no plan or interest on using at all, and vary on class to class.

[tardy meadow]

hello all. o7. recent was reading the handbook. and while reading about artifacts i thought of a mechanic. but dont know if it already exists or what would be the best way to deply the mechanic to take effect

[severe rampart]

No it isn't, my Intelligence and Strength is 8 😭

[autumn sinew]

So is mine

[feral fulcrum]

A fighter doens't care if he's dumb as a box of rocks, for instance. While a Wizard doesn't care if they've got sticks for arms.

[torpid hound]

Oh then that would be Intelligence because I have proficiency in Intimidation

[glass granite]

My average point buy monk experience

[hidden spindle]

Find Steed! Epic landing

[severe rampart]

18 Charisma, 15 Con, and 14 Dex baby!

[torpid hound]

Point Buy is stupid, why no ability higher than 15?

[autumn sinew]

Most of my stats are in strength

[glass granite]

I mean, standard array doesn’t do it either

[torpid hound]

I use Roll

[hidden spindle]

You should roll for it

[severe rampart]

I am almost always a Charisma caster

[torpid hound]

You know how little that narrows it down?

[glass granite]

Sorcerer, warlock, bard, paladin

[barren panther]

this was a whole long argument here a few days ago. We just had a session zero on Sunday and had a lot of fun rolling stats

[severe rampart]

4, yeah, so what? point still stands

I play Sorcerers, Warlocks, Bards, and one paladin the most.

[torpid hound]

Anyways, Abserd is a level 14 character with 1 level in 14 classes a YouTuber made

[glass granite]

Ah did not know that

[little path]

you always can agree with your group about your own version of standard array or point buy

[torpid hound]

The party let the BBEG sacrifice him instead of a random commoner because of how annoying he was

[torpid hound]

And you need at least a 13 in a class' primary ability to multiclass

[glass granite]

That I do know

[torpid hound]

Why aren't there any primary Constitution classes?

[glass granite]

Cuz that would be the single most single ability dependent class ever

[hidden spindle]

Everyone should want Constitution.

[tall forge]

As in casting? Cause it would be pretty op

[timber holly]

I think they might be too tanky

[torpid hound]

Just make Barbarian Strength or Constitution instead of Strength

[glass granite]

Even for martials, the game is balanced about needing multiple stats to do function
A pure CON class would be unbalanced

[hidden spindle]

There's a feat for it but it's only a single Cantrip and single 1st level Spell that would use Constitution for Spellcasting Ability

[torpid hound]

That's what I said
Make Barbarian Strength or Constitution

[pine herald]

My DM wanted to make a campaign with an isekai like plot. It ended up with me being the next DM after the campaign ended

Thank you d&d for existing, would've never knew I was literate enough to write a plot

[torpid hound]

Isekai?
I had an idea for Goliath from the Bible isekai'd to D&D as an actual Goliath Barbarian as a character

[timber holly]

How?

[glass granite]

Then they’d have tons of AC, damage and health. Investing in strength is stats that don’t go to their AC.

[hidden spindle]

"My DM left so I was reborn as a DM in another table"

[torpid hound]

Damage??

[pine herald]

So when I was making my character, it ended up being a domino effect of me adding on to her original world

[timber holly]

I swear I saw a title that was pretty much that

[old berry]

Does anyone have recommendations of what to multi class a necro wizard with?

I'm not really going for optimization, just thematics.

I've thought about undying warlock and spore druid, are there any more?

[reef tundra]

Happened to me once. DM left so all the players voted me to be new DM

[glass granite]

I assume if a class is CON forward, they’d have their features and damage based around that stat.

[tall forge]

If you mean make it so barbarians dont need dex, i agree absolutley

Fighters can dump strength after all

[pine herald]

Up to the point her world could genuinely be a playable campaign

[torpid hound]

Monk (Dexterity or Wisdom):

[hidden spindle]

Those titles are getting ridiculous, good and bad ones

[glass granite]

Dexterity AND wisdom

[tall forge]

Monk is dex wis and con

[reef tundra]

Worst part, DM came back two months later

[spring glen]

working with my players for their characters sepratly and 2 players want rogue wizard multiclass 😄 and both picked dark elf

[tall forge]

They need all 3 stats

[torpid hound]

Wait what

[glass granite]

Fighter is the only one that can do one OR the other

[hidden spindle]

Twins! Siblings?!

[torpid hound]

Then make Barbarian Strength and Constitution

[severe rampart]

long lost siblings perhaps??

[torpid hound]

"I'm Grunkle the Stunkle and this is my troupe of Gnomes, they're all Bards" ahh party

Elite ball knowledge if you get the ref

[harsh hollow]

They tag in and out of every fight like it's wrestling to conserve resources.

[severe rampart]

I thought the first half was a Gravity Falls reference

[tall forge]

Grunkle stunkle meme

[spring glen]

I got 2 rogue/ wizards, 1 wizard, 1 monk, 1 claric/pally multi, 1 barbarian and 1 artificer

[timber holly]

I think I get it

[torpid hound]

Specifically a video from XP to Level 3 titled "d&d players be like"

[spring glen]

starting at level 5 with dungeon of the mad mage

[torpid hound]

The players brought super backstory heavy characters in a one shot and Grunkle and the Troupe of Gnomes for a super long campaign

[spring glen]

to fight 3 gnomes on top of each other you aim for the feet to trip them

they got to be lawn gnomes

[timber holly]

Also I came out to my party today

[severe rampart]

Grunkle Stunkle wins the Funkle Bunkle

[harsh hollow]

God, I remember the few days when that took over.

[wind tundra]

which dnd beyond book has circle of the swarm druid?

the bug druid circle

[timber holly]

It went great and I changed my character design

To explain the change my character just came up to the party, said that she stole some clothes from a fashion designer and got a haircut

[twilit ibex]

(Not seeking advice, just venting) I'm having to cook up a campaign and I need to do a bit of homebrewing. A lot of homebrewing. Also I have enough players to split into 2 groups. 8. Strike me doooown.

[glass granite]

I got 8 too, I feel ya

[torpid hound]

I just entered another server unknowingly and saw my friend from that server typing, was confused over them being in a D&D server
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!?!"
"Wdym?"
"You're the guy from the Pokemon server, right?"
"This one? Yeah"
"..."
"..."

[twilit ibex]

The pain of dating one of the players and the other players saying "We want equal special treatment." She wasn't getting any special treatment, but I let her play an Artificer. Which everyone said was a bad idea because she is a troll.

[harsh hollow]

My trans character got to literally beat dysphoria by destroying a robot of her pre-transition self. Very cathartic.

[twilit ibex]

So I'm forced to acquiesce many requests

[timber holly]

That's so cool!
My character is a changeling so I just say that it's a haircut and outfit change

[harsh hollow]

I gotta be real, treating getting to use what is basically a base class now as special behavior is annoying of them. Don't bend the knee for that.

[tall forge]

I date one of my players

There is no special treatment. Debatably he suffers the most

[torpid hound]

Did being transgender even exist in the middle ages?

[lyric viper]

Yes.

[tall forge]

Yes, but also doesnt matter even if it didnt

[harsh hollow]

It's a magic society, not hard. Plus our campaign is modern.

[rough basalt]

Not an official class, looks like regular homebrew, idk if it's on ddb in a third party book.

[lyric viper]

Also, D&D is not a history simulator.

[timber holly]

I don't think I understand what you said

[twilit ibex]

You don't know my girlfriend. When she was a 2018 Artificer, she invented a magical item. A little container that seemed empty, but upon anyone within earshot saying "poor" or "pour," it would empty out one handful of sand. She placed it in people's bags, and the DM would be forced to tell people their bags were full of sand.

[severe rampart]

And not all campaigns are set in medieval times

[torpid hound]

You can just say you invented transitioning 🤣

[tall forge]

If you want an example, just look at loki

[lyric viper]

treating this as a serious and goodfaith question, there can be some interesting exploration in RPing a character who doesn't quite have the langauge to explain what they're feeling and going through - or has different language to what we're used to.

[torpid hound]

Wait what

[tall forge]

Loki is a mother

[harsh hollow]

Oh that wasn't at you, that was at the person saying their players considered using Artificer to be special treatment.

[torpid hound]

That's just mpreg 😭

[twilit ibex]

Loki was a father, a mother, a husband, a wife...quite the complex trickster deity

[timber holly]

Ohhh
Ok
I thought it was a normal class

[tall forge]

Nope, they were specifically female

[timber holly]

Wasn't he a horse as well?

[lyric viper]

Nah, Loki was a lady at the time. Loki wasn't even the only god to do so (Odin also spent time as a maid).

[harsh hollow]

Technically given it's history it was kind of an add-on, but nowadays it's part of the crew. Most people wouldn't bat an eye.

[twilit ibex]

Many things. A female horse who gave birth to the 6 legged horse Odin rode, as well. Yes.

[rough basalt]

Artificer ime is in a weird place

[potent vector]

Ah, Loki convo, wonderful

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of people that misunderstand the class

[lyric viper]

You can always google and search up some of these things yourself as well. It's true they might not have used the same language, but changing sex/gender and so on is a reoccuring theme throughout history.

[potent vector]

Oh, absolutely. People who think it's not fantasy enough need to watch Arcane and tell me you can't have a Campaign in that very setting

[lyric viper]

And an existing thing in multiple D&D settings.

[timber holly]

Got it

Is there a channel where I can post my character design?

[twilit ibex]

Good ol' alchemical texts and the Rebis are fun, too

[rough basalt]

Well it comes from Eberron so

People have misunderstandings about dnd in general that get artificer crap by proxy

[severe rampart]

Like art? Probably art channel

[harsh hollow]

I think #dnd-arts-and-crafts would be good for that.

[timber holly]

Thank you

[timber holly]

Got it

[tall forge]

End of the day, the human experience has not changed much in the last few thousand years

[severe rampart]

If you commissioned it you gotta mention who the artist was

[timber holly]

@severe rampart Just to be clear the design is from a manga I like

[twilit ibex]

I'm doing a custom world and lore, but it's very Eberron-adjacent. Dragons, lightning trains, vaquerro on robot horses...fun stuff.

[severe rampart]

Ah, probably #non-dnd-topics then

[timber holly]

Ohhh
Ok

[rough basalt]

My world is in a bit of a weird place.
Each country is sort of its own thing while sharing a little bit.

[timber holly]

It doesn't let me post pictures there

[twilit ibex]

I'm still creating my world map and individual cultures/countries

[severe rampart]

Oof, then probably a no-go

[torpid hound]

Kills shopkeeper
"It's what my character would do"

[rough basalt]

One country is going all in on an eberron type situation.

[severe rampart]

"Okay, several Royal guards surround you"

[tall forge]

sends you to prison
“Its what my world would do”

[rough basalt]

While the rest are closer to FR.

[tall forge]

Always reply like that

[glass granite]

the four glyphs of warding would like a word

[severe rampart]

Escape? What do you mean? There are several wizards with scrying and magic eye in this prison.

[tall forge]

Or the classic “you killed his dragon form?”

[twilit ibex]

My entire world is shaped by recent events too. A massive war that took place over an entire continent between "High (Tech) Elves" and Dragons. Both go into seclusion after and everyone has been picking up the pieces. Including scavenging and learning dropped tech.

[tall forge]

“His what?”

[torpid hound]

Or better yet, the the shopkeeper is a level 20 Warlock that made a deal with Vecra

[twilit ibex]

So my world went from swords and magic to magic guns and trains over like...a mere 200 years

[barren panther]

it do be like that

[lyric viper]

If it's not your own art and is directly from a manga, then I'm afraid it wouldn't be suitable for our image channels. If you have made your own art based on a manga, for your character, it's fine to post in #dnd-arts-and-crafts if you also credit the inspiration and note it is for your D&D character.

[severe rampart]

Invention of planes😭

[twilit ibex]

No planes yet. Just airships

[timber holly]

I see
Thank you

[twilit ibex]

No airplanes and just airships because sky pirates can't board a plane.

Fun first. Always.

[vivid cipher]

Hey i need advice on character hair styles.

[tall forge]

Bald

[twilit ibex]

What kind of character?

[feral fulcrum]

Whatever feels apropriate.

[vivid cipher]

Human. With anime art style. Cant decide between two hair cuts.

Am i allowed to post images here?

[feral fulcrum]

Then flip a coin.

And fraid not. Not on this channel at least.

[twilit ibex]

You'd probably want #dnd-arts-and-crafts

[feral fulcrum]

Themberchaud eats all images like the hungry hungry dragon he is

[vivid cipher]

You mind giving feedback in there?

[twilit ibex]

Sure, just try to keep your posts condensed. Don't wanna flood the feed

[woven flint]

Bald

All the nost overpowered anime characters are bald

[severe rampart]

... I hate how accurate that is

[glass granite]

Hello folks I landed here after getting yeeted from #character-discussion

What are yalls opinions on 2024 barbarian?

[fast latch]

If there was a DnD fighting game, who would be on the roster?

[glass granite]

Probably a mimic

If piranha plant could get into smash bros a mimic can get into a dnd fighting game

[severe rampart]

Probably the classic monsters, maybe some bosses like Strahd

[fast latch]

I’m thinking Strahd, Percy do Rolo, Elminster, Laeral Silverhand, Drizzt Do’urden, a Mimic because that’s genius, uhhhh…

[sturdy orbit]

“Uh- yello? Sorry just kinda joined by random when messaging an old friend .. honestly really haven’t been on here for. Like a year 😅

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening!

[jolly agate]

I'm in a session and we just found a baby dragon eeping, should i try to keep it?

[barren panther]

go play your game lol

[jolly agate]

u not fun mate

Ima kill ma char rq then, i just need to try

[sturdy orbit]

Looks like I have a bit to catch up on

[fast latch]

Hi and welcome back!

[sturdy orbit]

Hmm I feel like I recognize some these names but my Brain is killing me lol

[fast latch]

Humanoid characters are easier to program than monsters probably

But we can have an Owlbear and a Mimic because those two are icons

[woven flint]

Xanathar.

They're an icon too

Lord of Blades, perhaps 🧐

[marble lion]

Cyric

[fast latch]

What’s Lord of Blades?
Wait, that Warforged from Eberron, right?

[marble lion]

Karsus my goat

Drizzt ofc

[woven flint]

Yes, he's a Warforged fellow

[woven flint]

I don't think Cyric is an icon tbh.
He just.. exists

[fast latch]

Vecna is more iconic

Cyric is cool and all, but Vecna has better theoretical odds of getting in

[fast latch]

Xanathar would make a sick zoner

[marble lion]

Cyric would absplutely be in

The mortal that killed and bested multiple gods

Fighting games have like 30 characters, its fine

Elminster would be in it too

[woven flint]

Ehhh, Cyrics a little BABY

[fast latch]

Yeah fair, we can have Cyric and Vecna

Also Tasha, she’s cool

[woven flint]

He got trolled by Mask INCREDIBLY hard, I've no respect for Cyric

[fast latch]

Astarion, the most popular BG3 companion

[light creek]

can anyone gimme one shot suggestions like the sinister secret of saltmarsh

[fast latch]

A Wild Sheep Chase is free

[light creek]

tysm

[marble lion]

I dont like cyric either, i just know hed be in it

I much prefer bhaal myself

[woven flint]

Bhaal would be better as he's more popular with Baulders Gate

[fast latch]

What’s another good character…

Uhhh

Riz Guzgak as the resident gun guy?

[woven flint]

Kas, Lord Soth..

[fast latch]

Kas and Vecna in the same roster makes a lot of sense

[marble lion]

Strahd

Zariel

[jovial shadow]

Husband and wife? What Loki are you talking about, Marvel?

[fast latch]

Already said Strahd, but I like the idea of Zariel

[marble lion]

Oops

[fast latch]

This roster is pretty full of villains, it needs more heroes

Volo for sure

[marble lion]

No

Volo isnt a fighter. Otherwise yes

This will have few heroes because most heroes are oc, the party

[cedar nova]

Hi

[fast latch]

Would it be a traditional fighter, a platform fighter, or a tag team fighter?

Tag team seems like it’d be the most fun

Like Dragon Ball Fighterz or 2XKO

[echo meteor]

does extra attack that fighters get stack with nick?
so at level 5, can the fighter attack 4 times?

[jovial shadow]

Nick stacks yes

[fast latch]

Oh that’s sick

[echo meteor]

interesting

[fast latch]

If you get 4 attacks, does that mean you have 8 with Nick?

[echo meteor]

i meant at level 5, you get +1 extra attack

so you attack twice, with nick for the first attack and twice again for the second?

[dark pewter]

Nick only allows you to make one attack with it per turn

"You can make this extra attack only once per turn."

[echo meteor]

ahh, soo if you have dual wielder feat... you can swing with a great sword... drop the great sword (free action), and draw 2 light weapons and 2 more attack with the light weapons?

[fast latch]

I’d say yes, rules might say no

[jovial shadow]

No matter what you do, it will just be an extra attack.

[dark pewter]

Making a Light attack requires your attack action to have been taken with a Light weapon, as well, so no

But you can make three attacks if you wield two Light weapons

[echo meteor]

great sword (attack action)
light sword #1(extra attack action)
light sword #2 (nick)

no?

[dark pewter]

Ah, with Extra Attack, then yes

[echo meteor]

you just have to drop the great sword, and have a dual wielder feat to draw both at the same time

[dark pewter]

I thought you meant one attack action with the greatsword

[echo meteor]

which is a bit funky i guess

[jovial shadow]

To prevent optimizing and spamming, If those attacks double your attacks everyone would get them

[echo meteor]

wait.. Enchanced Dual Wielder feels like stacks....

[jovial shadow]

I don't know what an enhanced Dual Wielder is

[echo meteor]

you can do
Longsword (action)
Scimitar #1 (Bonus Action "Enhanced Dual Wielding")
Scimitar #1 (Extra Attack)
Scimitar #2 (Nick)

4 attack with dual wielder at level 5

[echo meteor]

its the dual wielder feat
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/feats#DualWielder

[jovial shadow]

Oh Enhanced Dual WIELDING

[echo meteor]

does htat work?

[jovial shadow]

no

[echo meteor]

y not?

[jovial shadow]

It's still only an extra attack, which is your bonus action and it's once per turn

[echo meteor]

and i only used it once

[solar crow]

Love throwing bouncy D20 across the room and it landing on a nat 20 LOL

[echo meteor]

"Enhanced Dual Wielding" was used once, extra attack from "light" weapon was used once

[jovial shadow]

You can't combine it with Nick, if that is what you are asking

[echo meteor]

they are different abilities

[worldly flare]

Bouncy d20?

[echo meteor]

what do you mean by combine

you use the "Enhanced Dual Wielding" THEN you use "nick"

[solar crow]

Our druid player has a set of dice that bounces

[worldly flare]

Cool.

[solar crow]

We're fighting a baylor rn

[fast latch]

Impressive

You got to Level 19

[worldly flare]

Cool. Also there’s no y in balor.

[solar crow]

No we're level 16

[turbid vessel]

bahlore: information about sheep

[solar crow]

We have a party of 5 all at level 16

We have a druid, barbarian, paladin (me), cleric, and wizard

[fast latch]

Uhhhh

Good luck, don’t die

[solar crow]

🤣 3 of our party have an ac over 20

We've gotten a feat along with every ability score increase

[fast latch]

DAMNNNNNN

What a generous DM

If you get a Half-Feat, does that mean you have a +3 ASI?

[solar crow]

Idk?

Sorry my brain is kinda dead rn

[thick lotus]

Just randomly asking but what do y’all think the ratio between player and dm is

[rough basalt]

99/100 players to dms

And that's DMs that exist not actively running games

[solar crow]

Strings were pulled and our cleric rerolled trying to keep concentration 7 times before finally succeeding 🤣

[rough basalt]

People who run tabletop games will always be extremely outnumbered by players

[turbid vessel]

a lot of people are both tho, that probably skews the data at least a wee bit

[rough basalt]

Ye some DMs take breaks and find other dms to run for them.

These days I honestly prefer dming.

[silver field]

Am I the only one who thinks they shouldn’t have wizard and sorcerer, and instead just have one “Mage” class that takes the important from both and uses the spell book aspect vs the innate magic aspect as an rp choice?

[rough basalt]

I think it's fine as is

We're already streamlined enough.

[turbid vessel]

that's a very AD&D perspective

[mighty wharf]

You're the only one

[lyric viper]

A very 3.5 choice even, as that was basically what sorc/wiz was. The same class, bu spontaneous or prepared casting.

[spare nacelle]

Yeah you are the only one on this

[silver field]

Cool just curious

[fast latch]

Like 90-10 player to DM

[rough basalt]

If this were 3.5 where there's 600 classes then I'd be more into it but 5e imo is the good balance between a lot of character options and stuff being defined.

[lyric viper]

It was some of the original intention, so you're not far off. But I think the idea is now to try and make them as distinct classes as possible.

[silver field]

Definitely get that

[rough basalt]

Yeah majority of people won't dm.

[spare nacelle]

If I was making an ttrpg, I would implement something like that

[rough basalt]

For a variety of reasons.
Usually anxiety or overthinking, but some either don't care enough or are too lazy.

[spare nacelle]

You play a mage and your "subclass" is either a Wizard with more spells or a Sorcerer who waprs them

[turbid vessel]

DnD can be pretty daunting to a first time DM, too. DnD is a relatively rules-dense system compared to many other rpgs

[lyric viper]

I think D&D for a while has put DMing a little too much on a pedestal. I really like how the newest Keep on the Borderlands starter set has helped break down that barrier more.

[spare nacelle]

And there isn't as good DM support as with other games. Must better than 2014 but still

[rough basalt]

Yeah, but I feel like there's definitely a lot of "they're the forever dm" in the communal culture too.

Like if your one dm doesn't wanna run games you bother them till they do or you don't play.

[crimson gulch]

I never felt a lack of support honestly, I have only ever used offical materials and it's all there

[lyric viper]

'DM is god' and 'DM is always right' along with the advice of having lots of experience before DMing can also be a little harmful too.

[turbid vessel]

i'm always grateful to be in a group of fellow DMs cause we just take turns being the GM from campaign to campaign

[tawny stump]

Ive tried dming once

[jovial shadow]

This was the original concept in Basic and AD&D 1e (and mabye 2e with the schools added). You were a Magic User and each level would give you a certain title, such as sorcer, warlock etc. But they didn't convey any additional abilities.

[tawny stump]

Didnt go well

[golden latch]

where do i look for games? i forgot

[turbid vessel]

nobody gets it perfect on the first try. nobody gets it perfect ever really

[rough basalt]

In contrast the "a good dm never says no" advice often leads to bad first time experiences that scare off new dms.

[spare nacelle]

I think there is this culture that DMing DnD has to be this herculan task and you have to basically redesign the game from scratch

[fast latch]

I like DMing better than playering

[lyric viper]

Normalise DMs getting things wrong. Normalise DMs relying on players to help remember rules, and trusting them to know their class. Normalise just DMing off the bat.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah I'm super glad I dove into being a dm after one session as a player

[jovial shadow]

Even good DM's have to say No and draw a line somewhere.

[crimson gulch]

Highly reccomend taking the leap in blind

[dark pewter]

One of my favorite players to invite to my tables is a rules lawyer for and against the people equally. He helps me keep my rules/rulings in check often

[spare nacelle]

There are too many videos where people say "you are running X wrong" or "the better way to run Y". For people just trying to run the game, it's overwhelming.

[lyric viper]

You can get things wrong. You're playing with friends. You're all learning together. Just figure out what didn't work and try again next time.

[rough basalt]

I think I see that quite a bit.
A lot of people who "I'm gonna start dming by revamping the entire spellcasting system" and it's like my guy, you should run the game as intended then you'll see your issues with the spellcasting system are probably unfounded.

[tawny stump]

Scroll down to the bottom and youll find the campaigns in find player

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Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

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[rough basalt]

Ye DnDYT is kind of a horrible place to try and look for dm advice

Without someone to tell you which ones you should listen to.

[spare nacelle]

100 percent, like I tell new DMs to run the game as it and only with the core books. Can't tear down fences when you don't know what they are for

[lyric viper]

Saying 'no' was one of the best skills I learnt as a DM. So was saying 'yes'. I guess the real lesson is figuring out that balance and communicating with players about goals and intentions.

[rough basalt]

Like no the guy whose constantly using bad faith arguments for comedy skits isn't who you should learn from.

[turbid vessel]

it's like trying to find therapeutic advice from tiktok therapists. there's probably some good advice in there, but the problem is nobody know's anyones credentials, or lack thereof

[rough basalt]

Like one guy I watch videos of for advice, I won't watch anything pertaining actual mechanics cause he makes a lot of obvious mistakes on rulings in them that show he probably hasn't read the rules.

[fast latch]

I DMed after like 6 months of being a player

Very hard at first, but it got easier fast

[spare nacelle]

I think DnD 2014's rough start also played a part. Many DMs had to learn a ton on their own and as a result, the game is full of DMs who are discouraged from learning the game before making changes

[crimson gulch]

Exactly, experience is the teacher when it comes to running the game

[rough basalt]

Especially if you wanna homebrew

Once you know how things go, you can adjust things without consistent issues

[frigid lantern]

Is there any way for me to make an artificer class online without having to buy Tasha's Cauldron?

[rough basalt]

Buy the old or new eberron books

[lyric viper]

I think my real advice for the whole 'DM needs to make a call' is that it should be perfectly fine to remind a DM of a rule or question something if you're unsure. You're playing a game together after all.
But the DM as referee is the one who needs to make a call on if it's going to be 'Really? Should we look that up quickly' or 'For now we'll rule like this and look it up later' or even 'I'm aware, but trust me on this call for now'.
And then later when not interupting game flow you can look into the rule and discuss as an equal group on what works best for you all.

[crimson gulch]

Yes, it's also in the ebberon books, you can use those

[spare nacelle]

When they got rid of the ability to buy items one by one, I stopped buying from DnD beyond

[fast latch]

I absolutely love homebrewing

I’ve made a class, four subclasses for that class, like six subclasses for existing classes, three races, and three subraces for existing races

And a metric crapton of magic items

[crimson gulch]

I'm disappointed that they are touting all this third party content and not printing anything new in physical books yet this year

[spare nacelle]

I don't want to spent $30 just for one class, just sell me the class alone

[rough basalt]

I mainly do statblocks but I've done a class I need more work and playtesting on

[frigid lantern]

Is there any way for me to gift this to a friend?

[spare nacelle]

I have done mods for BG3, but no homebrew classes for 5e

[rough basalt]

Well usually they announce books in march iirc

[fast latch]

Can you tell me about it?

[rough basalt]

It's just my take on a Gunslinger

Made to fit my world cause I don't like Matt's, or Valdas.

[fast latch]

Alright makes sense

Does it have a magic subclass?

[rough basalt]

3 of them

[fast latch]

Very cool

[rough basalt]

Probably gonna be 4 at some point

[fast latch]

What spell list for the magic subclass?

[rough basalt]

Not really spell list ones but moreso they expend a class feature to use spells or magic abilities

[fast latch]

Alright

[rough basalt]

It's an awkward mix of BM and Monk.

[fast latch]

You should make one with Wizard spells

Like Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight

And maybe it gets a buffed up version of 2024 True Strike that does something cool

[rough basalt]

Has scaling die but some abilities just use a die for special effects

The Arcane subclass gets a special bullet that gradually gets the ability to do all damage types

As well as the ability to cast invisibility, then greater invisibility then as a BA.

And their level 20 subclass feature is like a power up mode

[crimson gulch]

Of course, dnd books make great gifts

[fast latch]

Sick

[rough basalt]

Rn I'm working on backgrounds and feats for them.

[frigid lantern]

would you recommend physical or virtual?

[rough basalt]

Plan is to have subsequence feats for a general feat tied to the background origin feat

[crimson gulch]

Physical

[rough basalt]

Physical, that way they can keep it indefinitely

[frigid lantern]

Really? I thought you would say virtusal

[lavish flame]

usually they announce books in October of the previous year

[frigid lantern]

What's wrong with virtual?

[crimson gulch]

I don't spend money on digital content

If it's not worth printing it's not worth buying

[rough basalt]

Someone said they usually announce in March if they haven't

[solar crow]

We killed it🤣

[frigid lantern]

valid

[solar crow]

We're good

[rough basalt]

Cause last announcements was what beginning of 2024

They announced all the way up to the FR/Eberron books which were end of last year

[frigid lantern]

What about creating characters from those books, do you suggest using smth besides dnd beyond for character building?

[idle oar]

The PDF sheet is fine: https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/free-rules/ph/character-sheet.pdf

[turbid vessel]

some VTTs out there have native character sheets of varying quality. there's also the fillable PDF sheet online

[frigid lantern]

I was thinking abt this, cos like, you dont get all subclasses with the base dnd beyond

[rough basalt]

Yeah, gotta pay

You get enough free to get by

[frigid lantern]

so just make my own character sheets and keep editing them, i guess?

[rough basalt]

Basically.
DnD 5e you gotta decide between automation convenience and permanent ownership unless you buy the double packs (digital + physical)

[frigid lantern]

Fair enough, I feel I've played enough to get past the automation parts now

The issue is then playing online with others I guess

[turbid vessel]

filling out your own character sheet can be tough but IME it's a trial-by-fire way to learn how the game and character creation works

[rough basalt]

You can use the ddb homebrew tool to put content you own in, as long as it's kept for your own personal use iirc.

But that tools kinda eh imo.

[frigid lantern]

I might look at that

[fast latch]

SWEET!

[frigid lantern]

where's this tool?

[rough basalt]

I don't remember which tab it's under off the top of my head.

[solar crow]

Ye lmao

We've got a crazy party🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[frigid lantern]

@rough basalt I think I might just make physical sheet, then whatever dm I get put the sheet into whatever vtt they have hopefully

[solar crow]

We're good at pulling stupid strings to make things work, and we've got a very flexible dm LOL

[idle oar]

The Homebrew tools can be found under Collections

[rough basalt]

I feel like the lack of anything regarding stuff this year so far might be tied to the current UA.

Psion and Apocalypse Subs is like screaming and throwing a sign saying "we're doing Dark Sun" but will hasbro allow that? Probably not, but might be why there hasn't been anything.

[frigid lantern]

wow, this is actually so cool, how come I've never seen this

[crimson gulch]

on paper is my go to

[fast latch]

Apocalypse subclasses?

[rough basalt]

Dark Sun subclasses UA

[idle oar]

As a head up, the homebrew tool is not easy to use. Also don't publish anything - you can use whatever you create without publishing in your characters and campaigns. Publishing is only a last step when you've confirmed everything has been playtested, your creation is original and not using copyrighted content, and you're okay sharing it with the world in that state forever that you publish it in.

[potent vector]

Hey, is the Dueling Fighting Style good? I'm thinking, like, Weapon Juggle + Duel Wielder on a Thrikreen, but all that for +2 damage doesn't seem worth

[rough basalt]

Gladiator Fighter (Gladiator was a 2e Dark Sun class)
Defiler Sorc (Defiler Mages destroyed the planet Dark Sun is)
Sorcerer-King Patron Warlock (Sorcerer-Kings are the irredeemably evil monsters who run Athas, the planet for Dark Sun)
Circle of Preservation Druid (there's one spot on the planet with Green that they maintain)

[potent vector]

Oh hi Aeon

[rough basalt]

And Psionics and Dark Sun go together like Pancakes and Syrup. (Pretty much everyone on Athas has a psionic power)

[frigid lantern]

so it can be used in campaigns or no?

[idle oar]

Yes - your homebrew can be used in any D&DBeyond campaign you're in (without publishing that homebrew).

[fast latch]

Hi DaHo

[idle oar]

For reference...

?books

[cosmic roost]

Accessing Content on D&D Beyond

There are four ways to access content on D&D Beyond that you may have in your physical books:

1. Purchase the full digital book from the marketplace
2. Purchase a digital/physical bundle from the marketplace
3. Join a D&D Beyond campaign with someone who already owns the book where content sharing has been enabled
4. Use the homebrew tools to copy the content from your physical book into D&D Beyond (Note: Do not publish any content copied in this way; it is for personal use only)

[idle oar]

^ That's how you can access D&D book content on D&DBeyond

[fast latch]

Just looked it up

I like Gladiator a lot

[rough basalt]

I'm hoping it does happen and they do it right

Cause I want more setting guides like the FR ones

Like I'd kill for one for Dragonlance.

[potent vector]

So uh . . . Anyone used this before?

[lavish flame]

With 2 books? Cuz I think the 2 book approach is a slam dunk for a setting

I love how much breathing room the books got due to there being 2 books working in tandem

[fast latch]

The Faerūn books?

[covert root]

Has anyone done Vecna: Eve of Ruin before? What are their thoughts on the module? I'm potentially going to run it for my friends, since they're a little more experienced with D&D.

[crimson gulch]

Yes, ran it

[rough basalt]

Yeah, I was iffy about it but after having them I'd like them to do it with other settings that don't have a satisfying setting guide.

Or do the eberron thing

Where they update the player options and expand on whats already in the original book.

[crimson gulch]

I made a full video breakdown on My channel, eve of ruin was ok but had some issues

[mighty wharf]

Is there a Wizard equivalent of command?

[snow dune]

Hi

[rough basalt]

Playing through Eve of Ruin.
Think it's pretty good, but the dm has been open about making changes and no doubt they've made it better based off what I've heard.

Also he's a pretty good dm

[crimson gulch]

To run a campaign is to change it imo

[rough basalt]

I wish I could get rid of the decision paralysis on what I want to fill my Friday game slot.

[mighty wharf]

Maybe Tasha's Hideous Laughter? And readying it after my teammates turn or the beginning of the enemies turn?

[rough basalt]

I wanna run another system but another part of me wants to finish the map for my third country in my homebrew and run a third 5e game in my world

Mainly cause it's very Nordic/Skyrim inspired and I wanna start the game like skyrim and see how long it takes the players to catch on.

[frigid lantern]

Was just thinking, would most online dms care if my character sheet was physical?

[stiff rock]

Probably not no

[rough basalt]

Depends on whether they have access or not.

[frigid lantern]

If I sent a picture?

[rough basalt]

Personally I don't allow sheets outside of foundry unless they're ones I can import from ddb.

For sake of making sure no one cheats, but also for automation.

[frigid lantern]

of course

[covert root]

How do you mean?

[rough basalt]

I can only think of 2 dms I've had that allowed physical sheets

[solar crow]

Our party has been prioritizing being as powerful and op and strong as we can the whole time, and our dm has been indeed very generous. We are playing in the D&D club at the community College we all go to

Normally campaigns in the club last a semester, but ours is going for 2

We meet once a week for 2 and a half hours

[prime pewter]

Is it more straightforward to make a Fiendlock with an arcane focus of a pistol, or to make him a hexblade with Improved Pact Weapon (his weapon being a firearm with the gunner feat)

[lavish flame]

I don't think Hexblades can do ranged weapons, so a Pistol is off the books for that option

additionally, a Pistol is not an Arcane Focus, that'd need be to a Crystal, Orb, Wand, Rod, or Staff

[prime pewter]

Darn...

Okay just read up on it, and they can use them, but they need the gunner feat

[covert root]

I suppose my question is, "Why?"

I'm not much for warlocks, but Hexblade seems to be geared towards melee, especially the 2024 one in Unearthed Arcana that urges you to be close to your cursed target.

Additionally, why bother with a firearm when Eldritch Blast is already excellent and fires multiple beams of Force damage?

[prime pewter]

For the flavor? Wait darn I forogt flavor is free

[spare nacelle]

You could just reflavor your arcane focus into a firearm

[covert root]

Right, like a wand that's shaped like a firearm.

[prime pewter]

Okay yea ty

[hidden spindle]

Brings back memories of twig shaped like guns

[potent vector]

Two words

Weapon Masteries.

[covert root]

I wouldn't trade multiple beams of 1d10 force damage for a single weapon mastery.

[potent vector]

I mean, Pact Weapons can also use Eldritch Smite

Chonky damage with a crit

[covert root]

Yeah, at the cost of the highly-valuable Pact Slot.

[potent vector]

Also, Pact weapons can be Radiant, Necrotic or Psychic damage in 2024e

So the damage type argument is null

On top of all that, you don't need an extra Invocation to attack modifier to the damage

[torpid hound]

Intelligence is book smart and Wisdom is street smart, right?

[potent vector]

Also, Pistol has Vex Mastery. Advantage on 2/3 of those attacks add up

[covert root]

I mean, go off, but it's not intended for my benefit, and like I said: I don't play warlock.

[potent vector]

Before level 17 it's kinda better

[prime pewter]

This character is also a lizard (dragonborn but yk)

[potent vector]

So yeah btw, gun Hexblade does work in 2024e at least.

Cool idea, it's a good staple

[potent vector]

(also is it bad I immediately think of Rango)

[prime pewter]

Wait I can flavor mask of many faces as like a camoelmen (the lizard that thats skin changes)

[prime pewter]

His patron is known as the Queen of all Rattlesnakes, so... no

(She's a Maralith but with guns instead of swords)

[drifting fjord]

Dnd needs to get its publication schedule in gear. They should be releasing 2 to 3 core books in both print and digital each year at least one digital module every single month and 2 to 4 campaign setting books and either digital or print format each year.

[burnt valley]

Eldritch Blast is the best firearm in the game

[potent vector]

That's kinda peak, NGL. Reminds me of the Beholdster from Enter the Gungeon. (Even though there is a literal giant snake there called the Ammoconda)

[feral fulcrum]

Why not Lizardfolk?

[prime pewter]

He was originally a lizardfolk... I honestly don't know why I changed him

[drifting fjord]

Greyhawk is the main world for 2024 rules. Wizards proceeds to publish zero Greyhawk books.

[spare nacelle]

Using a pistol requires a feat though, since it has the loading property in order to make multiple attacks

[potent vector]

You can weapon juggle + Dual wield

[prime pewter]

Wait uh my scorching ray is flavored as fire bullets

[potent vector]

As part of the Attack Action you can draw new guns

[prime pewter]

Like, bullets on fire

[potent vector]

Which you get 3 of later on

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, it hasn't been all that long since they finished printing the core rulebooks for 2024.

[spare nacelle]

Or I could just carry a shield, not have to worry about juggling and managing magic weapons for the pistol.

[potent vector]

Magic Weapons is the best part Abt it 😭

Fact is it's optimizable

[spare nacelle]

Lowkey happy but sad Sorcerers can't get Eldritch Blast anymore

Imagine that with innate sorcery?

[feral fulcrum]

I mean it doesn't really change much?

[uncut zenith]

As a warlock main, I’m glad there are spells that are exclusive to warlocks

[ebon silo]

Warlocks got nasty spells in 2024

[knotty pasture]

Bards getting EB was so good

That delicious firepower on a class that doesn't have a lot of firepower options

[feral fulcrum]

Twinned Spell only works on low level EB, Seeking Spell isn't worth it, Subtle Spell would be pointless, Distant Spell is a gimmick, Empowered Spell is just a waste on Cantrips in general, so I'm not really seeing what's even remotely busted about Sorcerors with EB backed by Metamagic.

[woven flint]

I yoinked pact of the Tome to get Sorcerous Burst for my Celestial Warlock
B)

[ebon silo]

Someone likes temporary hitpoints

[woven flint]

Nah, I just wanted to do a Good Drow Warlock since I've seen many Evil ones

[limber trail]

I’m just in disagreement with the statement that eldritch blast is better than all the firearms in the game. Granted I’m thinking more of the very strong DMG firearms, because those are very strong relative to other cantrips and martial weapons

[woven flint]

His Patron is Eilistraee

[ebon silo]

Ur mates are gonna be glad for the temp hitpoints “blink”

[woven flint]

They have been
For majority of the campaign yes

I was also the main healer for some time

[ebon silo]

Me living the life of a tank

When im averaging getting hit for 80 each turn

[woven flint]

My Celestial Warlock is also a Frontline fighter
He recently got a Mace of Disruption for fighting undead

I'm a Cleric without doing any of that Devotion shit 😎

[empty thicket]

wh...damn, thanks for your service

[ebon silo]

One of my mates right now is a twilight cleric who doesnt spirit guardian and im like bruh

[empty thicket]

and giving a whole purpose to the healer of your team

[ebon silo]

He loves spiritual weapon though

Legit in my campaing right now im the only frontline fighter

I swear they are whimps

[woven flint]

Honestly expected the Twilight Cleric to be in Melee, that's where mine was constantly

[ebon silo]

He uses toll the dead…..alot

[woven flint]

Phengari Asteri, Werebear Shifter Twilight Cleric of Dol Arrah 🧐

He was a tank

[empty thicket]

Just the whole "toll the dead was used a lot of times" is a statement that give a lot of fear

"Bring toll the dead, we are going to use it a lot"

[ebon silo]

Is his fav cantrip

And i dont blame him is alot of damage at level 12

[torpid hound]

Wizard: "I went to magic school and read books to earn my powers"
Sorcerer: "My parents were wizards, which is what earned me my powers"
Warlock: "I made a pact with an otherworldly being for my powers in exchange for my soul"

[woven flint]

My favorite cantrip is Shocking Grasp,
I have it in my Knowledge Cleric because of Wizard magic initiate from the Sage background

[ebon silo]

Right now my EK is giving out booming blades like candy

Illusionis bracers are to damn good

[oak grotto]

I imagine sorcerers actually need to have a inherently magical ancestor. Like a dragon or someone who had magic infused in their being.

[empty thicket]

3d8 or 3d12 of one of hte less resisted//immune damages, necrotic.

[spare nacelle]

Actually according to the PHB, it can be just a freak accident that incorporates magic into their being

[empty thicket]

or can be in contact with any magic source too, or get some magic item inside of them too. Etc. etc.

[spare nacelle]

I like how 5e has made alot of character concepts very versatile in terms of their origin, as opposed to "must be this"

One of my favorite things about this edition

[empty thicket]

yeah, still some classes are kinda.. "trapped" in variety.
Druid, monk, cleric, some other might be too

[kind horizon]

Hello

[spare nacelle]

Yeah even Clerics have a bit more leeway now IIRC, they can worship concepts as opposed to actual gods

[fast latch]

Hi

[kind horizon]

First time 🙂
Happen to be a cleric

[oak grotto]

Yeah, that's what I said.

[knotty pasture]

Monk sits at a funky spot where they kind of do feel like priest based classes by vibes but are actually warriors

[empty thicket]

Guiding bolt and save at least 2 spellslots of heals.

[empty thicket]

most of time is "someone searching ascension//illumination", can make it be lots of things but its....weird

[kind horizon]

Thank youuu
Doing reborn twilight cleric, so nice starting heal

[knotty pasture]

Pack Bless, you'll be spamming it nonstop before level 5

[spare nacelle]

Ah that was kinda of unclear from your comment, no worries

[random sphinx]

My dnd club sponsors have invited me to an exclusive veteran's campaign in the fall, and it's in 3.5e, so I don't know anything on what to expect lol

[spare nacelle]

Once you hit level 5, Spirit Guardians and don't look back

[knotty pasture]

Always save a spell slot or 2 for emergency healing words, they're basically ranged revives in combat

[empty thicket]

And you can still use some simple weapons, maces, shields, medium armors. So dont be scared of be in the middle of the enemies path

[knotty pasture]

(Do it after you have Spirit Guardians)

[spare nacelle]

With your loadout, focus on getting your AC high. Grab medium armor/heavy armor and a shield with your spellcasting focus. For your origin feat, Magic Initiate Wizard: Mind Silver, Blade Ward and the Shield Spell

[fast latch]

3.5 is fun

I played it a little in my library

I like 5e better though

[empty thicket]

Or see how you want to make your character be too, what spells are useful and dont be scared of trying some others

[spare nacelle]

Honestly I'm kind of fiending for some 3.5 e right now

[empty thicket]

when starting with casters id say try the spells and find your "kit"

can change them every long rest so change 1 or 2 and try stuff

[cobalt owl]

Battlemaster maneuvers on spell attack rolls is funny to me

[random sphinx]

That's fair, but I'm truly excited to see whats in store for me, and they would like me to prepare two players to play at once, as the campaign is very heavily roleplay focused, with a little less combat

[spare nacelle]

I remember the first time I played 3.5e, DM allowed everything on the table and I had to spend two weeks researching what class to play lmao

[knotty pasture]

Cleric's probably the easiest spellcaster the more I think about it, because it revolves around 3 spells 80% of the time

[cobalt owl]

Spirit guardians go brrrr

[knotty pasture]

Bless before level 5, Spirit Guardians after level 5, Healing Word for ranged revives, the end

[cobalt owl]

Bless go brrrrrr

[empty thicket]

Kinda, depend of how you want to play it for me

[knotty pasture]

Everything else is situational at best and you can even skip throwing them around just fine

[cobalt owl]

In tempest cleric I go call lightning because the Aura is cool. But spirit guardians is usually better

[random sphinx]

I'm fairly certain I'm going to make one of my characters a ranger, and the other a druid

[spare nacelle]

Druid is one class I want to play in 5e 2024

Heard nothing but amazing things about it

[turbid vessel]

clerics are pretty dang versatile depending on what you build into and what spells you take, especially 2024 clerics

[empty thicket]

A cleric is always welcome in a party

[random sphinx]

My baby is a druid, she just does area control and denial spells like sleet storm and entangle, and summons polar bears on people :)

[fast latch]

3.5 uses a Skill Points (I think that’s what it’s named) system instead of a Proficiency Bonus

If there’s a lot of roleplay, be sure to put lots into your Diplomacy skill (That’s what 3.5 called Persuasion)

[random sphinx]

Oh, thank you kindly friend!

[empty thicket]

Its one of the few classes that always work, either heal, work against undead//demons and finally it have solid damage spells//utility

[cobalt owl]

Cleric is universally useful

[spare nacelle]

Easily one of the top 5 classes imo

[turbid vessel]

well top 5 classes is like half the roster lol

[random sphinx]

My cleric at the moment is a goliath war domain cleric, and she has an enchanted maul, so she does support spells and is a tank, the beautiful support tank role

[spare nacelle]

Fair point, still one of the best

[jovial shadow]

It certainly is 300% better than it was in Basic and AD&D. There were so many limitations, it wasn't worth playing.

[turbid vessel]

druids a much more polished class in 2024

[spare nacelle]

It was metal and something else right?

[fast latch]

There are also like 10 different Knowledge skills

[spare nacelle]

I remember there were tons of weird things about them in AD&D

[jovial shadow]

Yeah and since your powers were from nature, if you went to a different plane, then almost all of your spells become worthless

[spare nacelle]

Area of Denial spells are so fun, nothing makes you feel more powerful than casting Sleet Storm and watching it alter the battlefield

[empty thicket]

top 3 lets say
Cleric
Figther
Paladin

willing to change the paladin for ranger.

[spare nacelle]

Personally, without starting a war, I would say Sorcerer, Cleric and Warlock/Druid

[turbid vessel]

sorcerer is super fun, 2024 sorcerer especially

[spare nacelle]

2024 Sorcerer is insanely good, I played the SpellFire Sorcerer in a level 11 one-shot, and me and the other Sorcerer carried

[turbid vessel]

we had rage, now we have Arcane Rage

[spare nacelle]

Rage but better lmao

[empty thicket]

I like martials, even in this world full of magic, they are really useful

[knotty pasture]

There's absolutely no way Fighter's at top 3, the upper half of 5e's viability list is littered with spellcasters

[keen kestrel]

I love the name btw

if you can't tell by my favorite classes\

[jovial shadow]

Spells are great and what not, but sometimes you just want to get up and personal and bonk. And Monk gets lots of bonks

[empty thicket]

i know, still feel fighter is like really good in the martial section.
Versatile, work with almost anything and finally can rely in a lot of things

[burnt valley]

1. Wizard
2. Druid or Warlock
3. Warlock or Druid
4. Sorcerer
5. Cleric
   The rest is whatever

[spare nacelle]

The problem is Paladin is basically Fighter if given maneuvers and stronger

[craggy summit]

Not top 3 for sure, but maybe top 7ish? Assuming level 20

[spare nacelle]

In terms of martials, yeah Fighter is fantastic

The new indomitable is a great improvement, would have preferred if it was LR but it's still ok

[knotty pasture]

I spent a whole month tinkering an Aasimar patch in bg3 based off the VGM version because bg3's Aasimar mods are all beyond op and homebrewed, got it done the other day and was so relieved that its now my personality

[turbid vessel]

this is why i never really bother with ranking these kind of things, at least publicly. always becomes a war between "objective" power level and personal tastes.
"objective" in massive quotes because the idea of objective power level in dnd is silly

[spare nacelle]

I second this but I would replace Sorc and Wizard

[jade hatch]

Agreed lol, innate sorcery is nuts

[knotty pasture]

2Wiz2Lock party comp doesn't lie, what comes after is one's subjective tier list based on assumption

[spare nacelle]

Wizard got power crept by all the improvements everyone else got unfortunately, Still a Wizard though

[keen kestrel]

I love the idea behind something being super alien

[knotty pasture]

Oh no Wizard's still at the very top, Warlock's still got a ways to go

[spare nacelle]

Being able to use two metamagic options in one turn at level 10 is insane

[covert root]

Amen.

[knotty pasture]

The dunamancy subclasses pushed Wizard to new heights

[spare nacelle]

Mainly the chrono subclass tbh

[turbid vessel]

i think my favorite class improvement from '14 to '24 is barbarian. i love the new barbarian

[fickle heart]

Doesn't help that what the DM allows can significantly change the bar when it comes to setting-specific stuff.

[craggy summit]

New barbarian is SO much nicer

[spare nacelle]

Eh, I love wizards but I think they needed a bit more love in this edition

[knotty pasture]

Outside of the weakest Wizard subclasses no way lol

[spare nacelle]

The new bladesinger tho? That AC is nutty

[serene jolt]

Imo the top classes are very opinion-based. I've seen people play every single class and be super cool and viable.

[jade hatch]

Like cleric's being wildly differently-abled if the DM allows for Divine intervention prayer of healing/hallow

[turbid vessel]

i so badly wanna make a twf stealth barbarian with the 24 rules

[knotty pasture]

Even without Dunamancy and weird tech, War Wizard still stands at the top away from all other classes

[covert root]

2024 Bladesinger is my Roman Empire, and that baby is the bee's knees.

[tropic drum]

Would the Awaken spell make a wooden bridge capable of speech?

Technically, it is made from wood, a plant...asking because I was thinking of a bridge that challenges peope entering a castle.

[covert root]

That's a stretch. That's more or less a dead plant's remains.

[jade hatch]

I just find the constant advantage of sorcerer nuts, and the harsher spell save dc for control spells

[spare nacelle]

Viable doesn't equal Strongest though, 5e is a easy game, but certain classes are just overall stronger than others. Able to handle more situations

[burnt valley]

Homebrew moment tbh

[turbid vessel]

agreed, everyone seems to think that their idea of objectivity in dnd is correct and everyone else is wrong

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, no

Probably top 3 is subject to opinion for many, but it's probably better to do best martial/hybrid and best spellcaster

Which i would comfortably say Ranger and Sorcerer

[fickle heart]

Allowing/disallowing setting specific content isn't homebrew, though. Technically, not even disallowing specific books is homebrew.

[keen kestrel]

We all know it's really artificer /j

[fickle heart]

That's why I think "theoretical" vs "practical" can be a better discussion point, though I admit it's significantly harder to discuss.

[serene jolt]

And in my opinion, the most versatile and flexible class is the Druid. Nonetheless, not everyone is going to agree with me. Since it's simply a matter of how you play the game and how well you click with a class.

[jovial shadow]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, until you demand others accept your opinion as fact grin

[remote wadi]

Until it blows up in your face, figuratively or literally

[knotty pasture]

Druid does sit comfortably towards the very top in viability thankfully

[turbid vessel]

everybody knows the strongest class is that one we made cause we thought we were so good at homebrew and we were gonna make the best class ever
you all know you made one, don't lie

[burnt valley]

Yeah that's fair, i thought you meant like making up new mechanics n such

[naive cedar]

Top classes;

1. Cleric
2. Cleric
3. Cleric
4. wizard

[knotty pasture]

I will also say that someone did try to come up with a way of measuring team success and I think that serves as a decent foundation towards determining class viability objectively

[spare nacelle]

Gale would be pissed at that list

[serene jolt]

How about this question:

What's everyone's go-to class? When your bestie is dming and you have to quickly grab a class and go. Which class is your go-to?

[remote wadi]

True. They're great, but not like gamebreaking great

Now, for something really interesting: best class trio?
Mine is going to Ranger Pally and Wizard

[burnt valley]

I agree if the clerics dont worship mystra

[keen kestrel]

couldn't tell you

[tropic drum]

The best class is the one you choose to play.

[jade hatch]

I can barely homebrew items. Spells, classes, and subclasses scare me lol

[naive cedar]

Clerics of Mystra exist tho

[remote wadi]

Trick question. Roleplay and team comp for me first

[spare nacelle]

Nah let's be realistic lmao

[burnt valley]

ok nvm trash list

[naive cedar]

No u

[spare nacelle]

For my trio, Sorcerer, Bard and Cleric

[burnt valley]

1 Artificer/Wizard X then pray nobody goes in melee

[serene jolt]

Hypothetically, it's a basic fantasy medieval dnd world and you won't know your party comp until you start. 👀

[turbid vessel]

silly, no one actually plays dnd, you're supposed to just yell at people online about it, right? /j

[tropic drum]

It's true. It's up to the player to play it how they want. What's the best to one person is not to another.

[woven flint]

The best class is the one you enjoy playing the most 🧐

Looking at Monk and Cleric for myself

[keen kestrel]

@serene jolt I could never tell you what classes I like playing

[jade hatch]

If someone I trust is DMing then warlock easily

[knotty pasture]

Take challenge runs from official modules, for example LMoP but enemy quantity is doubled

[burnt valley]

its really really tempting to just throw a barlgura near them and then say "nah they can take it", its genuinely annoying

[turbid vessel]

i will never not enjoy a bard

[spare nacelle]

It's not. I love DnD but let's not pretend every class is the same in power level or balance. The Rogue isn't in the same level as the Bard

[naive cedar]

You’re supposed to make aggressive statements about how bad Ranger/Druid/Rogue is

[tropic drum]

I prefer cleric. But really it depends on my character concept

[knotty pasture]

Which is where you can feel the limits of a class, run 4 Rogues in those settings and you better hope your DM is making mobs skip turns randomly

[serene jolt]

Valid. My go-to is either Druid or Artificer. Sometimes Cleric. Depends on how I'm feeling at the moment and what characters I already have out.

[remote wadi]

We have Divination Wizards, a technically omnipotent DM, and several people that worship/serve a deity

Foresight is not foreign

[echo meteor]

DUDE i came to realize… “enlarge” is a GREAT spell

[remote wadi]

True tho

[burnt valley]

Bard does what the Rogue do but better 😭

[knotty pasture]

Undying Warlock is the same as Genie Warlock in viability, don't @ me

[jade hatch]

Enlarge is a really fun early game support spell

[spare nacelle]

I think saying "the best class is the one you play" is an unhealthy thought process that ignores the obvious truths of the game. We have be realistic about how the game is. Loving the game isn't ignoring it's flaws tbh

[woven flint]

Clearly the worst class is [insert random class here] now, c'mon!

[jade hatch]

An extra d4 on every monk attack? Sign me up

[spare nacelle]

Exactly!

[tropic drum]

It's not a video game. The idea isn't to be the most powerful, it's to create and play a character in a story. Weakness can be a great thing.

[serene jolt]

I mean I think it's a good spell and handy for extra damage and some grapple bonuses and stuff.

But I'm not sure if I would consider it a great spell. XD

[knotty pasture]

I agree, its kind of why I tend to use the word "this class/subclass is more fun than good, but go for it"

[spare nacelle]

It's not, the goal is the play a powerful character that you find fun to play and can pull their weight.

[echo meteor]

it is!!! you have a “path of giant “ barbarian or a “rune knight” in your party… they now take up 15x15 square. they can block an entire passage way by themselves

[serene jolt]

If you have one of those.

[turbid vessel]

you play a very different DnD from me if you think the main goal of dnd is to make a powerful character

[woven flint]

That's a take for certain

[echo meteor]

10x10 barbarian isn’t that bad either for blocking off a passage

[cobalt owl]

It is one of the takes of all time

[knotty pasture]

I agree with everything minus the powerful character part, imo as long as you aren't actively griefing the table you're safe

[serene jolt]

Very situational but good in the right situations!

[spare nacelle]

I mean... DnD is heroic fantasy at it's core. No one rolls up a character to play an in ineffective character. Powerful was the wrong word

[knotty pasture]

Unless you're opting for terrible characters for selfish pleasure

[spare nacelle]

Instead of powerful, I should have said fun to play but effective

[woven flint]

I definitely think playing a character as intended is certainly better than dumping their main stat.

[serene jolt]

I have Enlarge/Reduce on my Artificer. I've used it a lot (since I am stuck with level 2 spells until level 9).

Mainly on our Pugilist since he does like 30 frickin attacks a turn (obviously exaggerating)

[tropic drum]

I played a dwarven paladin with Alzheimer's Disease in a campaign once. He wasn't very good at being a Paladin, but he was a blast to play.

[turbid vessel]

"effectiveness" is a better term than power, yeah. but on the caveat that it's a psychosocial term in regards to DnD

[woven flint]

I've played with a CLERIC who dumped Wisdom and it was incredibly painful for me as a person who kills it with Clerics consistently lmao

[spare nacelle]

Did you dump your CHA?

[echo meteor]

BRO, Rune Knight Fairy is AWESOME!!!

the small thing becomes LARGE then it can cast enlarge on itself and become HUGE

[knotty pasture]

Let me guess, War Cleric?

[burnt valley]

I agree, anybody that claims otherwise is that either the DM is sandbagging or everyone else is doing the same thing

[keen kestrel]

that's wild

[woven flint]

Nope..
Life Cleric.

[knotty pasture]

Damn, takes guts

[turbid vessel]

just in the same way there is no 1 correct way to run a game or design an encounter, there is no 1 perfect metric to measure effectiveness in dnd. you can make a metric that you like for sure, but you kinda gotta realize that no matter how objective you think you are, that metric is going to be subject to your personal biases and views

[covert root]

Heroes never die.

[tropic drum]

I let viewers decide where my point buy stats went. It wasn't well distributed.

[serene jolt]

I honestly prioritized my strength over my wisdom with my 2014 war cleric 🤣 It's still very good!

[keen kestrel]

can I say taht's my least favorite cleric

[vale kettle]

Has anyone made a setting guide for like a wild west setting?

[woven flint]

I'd never dump a the main stat of a character regardless of what "silly build" I'd have in mind

[echo meteor]

what yall think about Rune Knight Fairy build? Fairies get Enlarge/Reduce spell by default 😛

[remote wadi]

Based if true

[serene jolt]

You know why I like Life Cleric so much?

It's so fun staring at the DM and saying "You know all that damage you just did the past 3 rounds? Watch your progress just... Poof. Muwahahahaha!"

[echo meteor]

twilight clerics r better

[spare nacelle]

I mean that concept is fun for a one-shot. But not for a serious campaign

[burnt valley]

i miss life cleric + goodberries combo

[serene jolt]

Honestly I have seen scarier life clerics then twilight clerics.

[remote wadi]

Prayer of Healing, baby

[spare nacelle]

Twilight Cleric was crazy omg

[woven flint]

Then the dm hits you with a Dracolich death aura

[spare nacelle]

I love the concept but all that temp HP...

[echo meteor]

so much temp health though

[serene jolt]

This is an unpopular opinion but... I actually think Twilight is over-hyped.

[echo meteor]

you cant die within that aura

[remote wadi]

Just do Oath of Glory Paladin with Inspiring Leader

[woven flint]

You most certainly can? Lol

[spare nacelle]

It shifted the encounter balance sharply towards the Cleric

[serene jolt]

I've played it. I've watched countless people play it. It's never stood out to be that useful to me.

Like having the temps sometimes is cool but not game breaking.

[echo meteor]

sure, it’s just pretty hard

[naive cedar]

Clerics winning again

[tropic drum]

DM Dave has a good one... can't remember the name

[woven flint]

Go up against anyone with Max HP drain

[spare nacelle]

It's possible to kill a Twight Cleric yes, but balancing around the CD was a pain for DMs and encounters

[knotty pasture]

Is it really unpopular if a not-insignificant amount of people believe in Twilight Cleric being bad because you'd be scoring brownie points for being a free thinker /s

[turbid vessel]

come on guys, everybody knows the best class is social studies

[remote wadi]

I mean, come on. Up to what? 6 targets? Getting temp HP equal to Pally level and Chr?

[static frigate]

doesn't life cleric also suffer under max hp drain - or is this separate from the life vs twilight thing

[tropic drum]

It was curse of stahd

[naive cedar]

Wrong it’s English

[echo meteor]

worst class is a ranger, followed by a rogue

[static frigate]

the ever-invisible gloomstalker:

[remote wadi]

Level 6 and 18 Chr, that's 10 temp HP that can be done while Cleric or Druid casts Prayer of Healing

[serene jolt]

I don't say it because I'd be scoring brownie points. I don't care what strangers online think of me.

I've just never seen a cool twilight cleric before.

[naive cedar]

Followed by druid, followed by barbarian, followed by monk….

[turbid vessel]

i would've said geometry but to each their own

[tropic drum]

My Favorite class is Tempest Cleric.

[naive cedar]

Geometry is way too annoying and hard

[static frigate]

genuinely curious what's the reasoning for druid below barbarian and monk??

[vale kettle]

Cause im trying to make a wild west inspired region but i wanna see if i can take any references for like creatures and so on

[keen kestrel]

clearly it's latin, everyone knows that's the hardest class

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, social studies is really hit or miss depending on curriculum

English was both relaxing and rewarding

[naive cedar]

I’m making fun of the typical “worst DND classes” slop that all beat on those classes

[spare nacelle]

Cool glad you had fun! My point is weaker classes exist and stronger ones exist. Doesn't mean you can't have fun with them, just that they exist.

[static frigate]

oh i see sorry for the misunderstanding then

[turbid vessel]

i failed it in high school
now i gotta make a dnd character that hates geometric shapes
we only support non-euclidian shapes in this household

[knotty pasture]

Ranger being the scapegoat of 5e viability discourse would never not be funny

[echo meteor]

druid actually got a good attack cantrip that’s not produce flame

[woven flint]

I will not stand for Monk slander

[remote wadi]

2014 monk tho

[static frigate]

i've never seen druids ranked bottom-tier with the typical offenders so i was thrown a bit there

[naive cedar]

This is the worst bait I’ve even seen fam

[serene jolt]

Starry wisp my love

[knotty pasture]

Idk Warlock's the worst class to me personally

[tropic drum]

The name is in the back of my mind, lol...let me send you a message so I can remember you and I'll look it up

[remote wadi]

No Tasha either. Just plain 2014 monk

[vale kettle]

Thanks a bunch

[spare nacelle]

2014 monk oof

[echo meteor]

❤️

[remote wadi]

I would agree, but counterpoint: spellcaster

[jovial shadow]

Did someone bad mouth the Monk? Time to do a Flurry of Blows on their noggin'

[naive cedar]

I see Druids hates on all the time personally but that’s just me

[echo meteor]

have u not seen Starry Wisp

[wicked forum]

finding a party to play with is challenging asf lol

[spare nacelle]

The more I look back on 2014 classes, the more I believe playtesting is important

[remote wadi]

Not 2024. 2014 monk. No Tasha

[wicked forum]

warlock is the best class oat to me personally, i loveee warlocking

[knotty pasture]

I should have put the /s

[vale kettle]

Wait im confused what about druids?

[serene jolt]

Starry wisp does damage and says goodbye to your invisibility

[knotty pasture]

Its me poking fun at how this server sometimes pops up with Warlock discourse and how bad it is

[jovial shadow]

oh okay...winding down the Quivering Palm vibrations....

[spare nacelle]

2024 Warlock is crazy

[echo meteor]

i think druids r awesome

[spare nacelle]

Three attacks by level 12

[wicked forum]

warlock is so awesome, you basically get a friend built-in to your character

[echo meteor]

bro, most campaigns END by level 12

[spare nacelle]

Extra Attack as a cantrip with the push mastery

[remote wadi]

I'm serious too

They're not that great of a class, but being a spellcaster already means they aren't at the bottom of the list

[vale kettle]

Yeah they are very strong i believe they can have up to 50-60 hp at level 2

[knotty pasture]

See this is what I'm talking about, anti-Warlock discourse let's go

[spare nacelle]

Doesn't mean the feature doesn't exist lmao. Campaigns push past that and one shots exist

[wicked forum]

what do you guys think is the best class in the game?

[turbid vessel]

science class

[serene jolt]

My least favorite class to play is the barbarian.

It feels powerful early game. Mid mid-late game. And there's just not enough for me to do. Rage, smack with sword. It's very simple, drives me crazy.

[static frigate]

like mechanically or fun-wise

[remote wadi]

I mean, I wouldn't badmouth them because I love monks too. 2024 campaign means Mercy Monk is my go to

[jovial shadow]

we've already went in that direction, and still in it

[spare nacelle]

You just missed that discussion @wicked forum imo Sorcerer

[echo meteor]

i don’t think i’ve ever been in a campaign that lasted longer than 12 levels.. by the time you get your level 10 perks, games almost over

[remote wadi]

Tough question. Martial class? Spellcaster? Certain tasks need to be done?

[static frigate]

meanwhile casters spend fifteen minutes deliberating over their spells and comparing the dozens of options they have every turn 😔 (<- i played a barbarian for a while and it got boring imo as well)

[echo meteor]

which is why i don’t like the “op build at level 20” guide

[burnt valley]

Wizard, 2wiz2lock if you meant in terms of party composition

[spare nacelle]

I haven't ran over/ hit a deer while driving. That doesn't mean I would say car accidents involving deer don't exist

[rough basalt]

"Dozens of options" most spells aren't applicable all the time.

[remote wadi]

A friend said it the best

"If you're not contemplating how to break the game using Wish when you have it, you're playing the game wrong"

[rough basalt]

At high levels monsters usually have at least 2 immunities, 2 to 4 resistances, condition immunity paragraphs

[echo meteor]

more like “IF you have it” games end far before you get it 😭

[rough basalt]

+10 and up on all saves

[echo meteor]

or right when you get it

[serene jolt]

I actually love having to think outside the box with spellcasters. And I don't do this.

I plan during the combat while it's not my turn. Then I have a secondary plan in case that fails. Then I have a go-to cantrip and/or spell combo if that plan fails.

By the time my turn rolls around, I complete it in only a couple of minutes at the most.

[spare nacelle]

I will say, early level features > later level ones

[remote wadi]

Then that falls under "You don't have it"

Thus my point still stands

[static frigate]

hyperbole i fear, but it's rare that i play with casters who know immediately what they want to do every turn, they're always debating between 2-3 options (i know personal experience doesn't count for much though lol)

though in all fairness when i say "too many options" i also mean feats and items that they want to use, not just picking what spell to cast

[serene jolt]

Spellcasters who do that drive me insane as well. -Player who always uses spellcasters

[remote wadi]

Only if they still are valuable later on. Key point: Heavy Armor Master

[burnt valley]

Not every high CR creature get these btw

[rough basalt]

They usually have +10 and higher in at least half of the saves.

[jovial shadow]

They can't have +10 and higher in saves, since +10 is the highest

[rough basalt]

It's why a lot of high end spells do half damage instead of suck.

[spare nacelle]

That's how you do it!

[rough basalt]

Oh right. Huh

Still, casters are pretty fine as long as the dm isn't a pushover.

[burnt valley]

what's considered cheating?

[burnt valley]

pushover part is true tho, most of the time they are sandbagging or homebrew moment

[static frigate]

allowing a spell to do more than what it says it can do, imo - like "i use shape water to drown this guy by forcing water down their throat"

[rough basalt]

Cheating part I said the wrong thing

[burnt valley]

me when i throw 5 goristros at a full caster party and they end up default killing it by walking backwards on phantom steed

[burnt valley]

oh yeah thats true, that aint even RAW anyway

[harsh hollow]

You can take creative liberties with spells to be fair, but there are limits.

[static frigate]

yep

[rough basalt]

9/10 if there's a caster issue you're either screwing up or have a skill issue

1/10 would be the cheater who changes his prepared spells on the fly and doesn't check off spell slots.

[burnt valley]

Very true

[static frigate]

true

[burnt valley]

the ideal way to deal with an optimized caster party is 2N+2 number of deadly×N encounters per LR

[rough basalt]

Cause "casters are uberbroken and unstoppable" falls apart when the DM actually runs the game.

[static frigate]

forcing casters to properly manage their resources instead of unloading everything in one fight and then taking a LR goes a long way in making them feel balanced

[rough basalt]

The whole "martial caster divide" nonsense for the most part comes from DMs running 1 combat encounter with 1 enemy per 3 sessions.

[echo meteor]

half the time, casters don’t keep track of their spellslots

[rough basalt]

Then they can leave.

[echo meteor]

or even spells that they prepared

[static frigate]

except some of the DMs that i've had try that got scared of casters complaining and gave them a free LR 🚶‍♂️

[burnt valley]

they can deal with this btw with spell slots to spare but it is a challenge for them

[rough basalt]

Yep pushover dms are one of the biggest issues.

[echo meteor]

“casters” are op until they get swarmed by a bunch of bandits with misty step 😛

[rough basalt]

God's smile when a DM says "nah, you just long rested" and the criers crumble before his power.

[static frigate]

that's just blatant cheating at that point, w/ the proper number of encounters it should become obvious after a few fights where caster drops their highest level spell that something is up

[burnt valley]

this unironically mogs the martials even harder

[burnt valley]

fog cloud lul

[echo meteor]

you’d be surprised at how many wizards don’t have it prepared

[rough basalt]

And when I catch them, they're gone.

[echo meteor]

it’s like one of the best level 1 spells… it blocks misty step and a bunch of other teleportation spells

AND stops opportunity attacks

[rough basalt]

If they can't do the bare minimum then they ain't getting my maximum.

Oh wait you're talking about fog cloud

[echo meteor]

fog cloud does SOO much at level 1

[static frigate]

a wizard can probably survive a round of attacks from a bandit to use their own teleportation and escape in all fairness, building for AC isn't terribly difficult

but it will make them sweat which counts for a lot

[rough basalt]

I have a lot of spellcasting variants for enemies.
Keeps things interesting

[cobalt owl]

Spellcasting enemies rule

[static frigate]

so many things in dnd rely on seeing a target it's crazy how good denying sight can be

[cobalt owl]

It's also pretty good to have any form of blindsight

[rough basalt]

One of my favorite things in dnd is watching people who've always been protected by DMs be surprised when I don't save them.

[static frigate]

true true

[cobalt owl]

"Welcome to the thunderdome"

[echo meteor]

lol! IF they prepares misty step, and ways to stop getting targeted. another reason i play a goblin wizard. “Fog Cloud” + bonus action HIDE solves most problems

if not, invisibility + hide

[burnt valley]

Satanic arrogant martial players destroyer:
Alhoon
Mind flayer Arcanist
Intellect Devourer
Intellect Snare

[echo meteor]

and at the very worst, dimension door and GTFO

[rough basalt]

Look, if they wanted to kill that monster before it kills them, they would've done the 22 damage needed to kill it, not 16

[static frigate]

i've never met a wizard player who didn't keep misty step prepared always but if they ever did forget. that will be the day.

[echo meteor]

Fog Cloud counters misty step hard 😭

[cobalt owl]

I get fey touched to save a valuable prepared spell

That or fey teleport

[echo meteor]

fey touched for silvery barbs + misty step

the only option

[cobalt owl]

I actually don't take Barbs on fey touched

[echo meteor]

why the hell not

[cobalt owl]

I take gift of alacrity or bless

[static frigate]

yeah but i think less people keep fog cloud on their always-prepared list than misty step + fewer enemies have it on their spell lists so it's not as common to see it used to counter players

[echo meteor]

youre not playing optimally

[cobalt owl]

I'm usually playing a class that gets Barbs on the list anyway

So no I'm not.

It's way better to take spells not on your list anyway

[static frigate]

i feel like there's a strong argument that alacrity or bless can be more optimal than sbarbs especially if you get it on your spell list already

[spare nacelle]

Fog cloud even counters truesight IIRC

[cobalt owl]

It does because truesight doesn't beat heavy obsc

[crystal latch]

Gift of alacrity is the best spell for Feytouched and it's not even close

[echo meteor]

it counters devil sight + darkness

[spare nacelle]

Alarcity honestly is the only spell I would take with Fey Touched

[cobalt owl]

I have a soft spot for bless

[torpid hound]

My friend has a Paladin with Intimidation but my character also has Intimidation (which I can't get rid of because of my Soldier background)
Do I try to convince him to swap it for Medicine?

[echo meteor]

it also conters advantage like kobolds/wolves AND medusas

[north hawk]

I find when players use Fog Cloud they usually end up making a combat a pain in the butt for other players cause no one can see anything.

[crystal latch]

If I already have GoA I'm not taking Feytouched

[spare nacelle]

Any other spell you can multiclass for and Alarcity is one of the best buffs in the game

[echo meteor]

then your DM is running it wrong

[cobalt owl]

If I already have GoA I will either take bless or take fey teleport

[echo meteor]

its a "straight attack roll" not disadvantage

[rough basalt]

I've only ever seen fog cloud in tight caves

[static frigate]

yeah fog cloud counters a lot but it also hinders both your martials and your casters if you don't position it carefully, esp. because you can't move it

[rough basalt]

It turned combats hilarious.

[cobalt owl]

Fog cloud is awesome

[crystal latch]

Fog cloud is such a cheap and useful counter to so many enemies

[echo meteor]

not really, ur dms are runnign it wrong by giving everyone disadvantage

[burnt valley]

extra 2d4 with dhampir bite crit fishing

[cobalt owl]

I am the rare person who Casts gust of wind to beat it if someone uses it on me

[fast latch]

Yeah

[echo meteor]

best level 1 spell

[static frigate]

that's not what i said, i know rolls come out straight, but a lot of abilities require sight like opportunity attacks, so it's still a huge inconvenience, especially for ally spellcasters

[echo meteor]

its right up there with grease

[static frigate]

for example, a lot of healing spells need sight, so if your martial goes down in the fog cloud...

[cobalt owl]

Shame grease isn't flammable

[fast latch]

It’s Silvery Barbs

Fog Cloud can’t ban the DM from getting crits

[crystal latch]

Fog cloud counters beholders, anything that requires line of sight to teleport, Pack Tactics, magic missile spam etc

[cobalt owl]

Barbs technically can't either

[echo meteor]

BRO, I dont want it to be flammable!

[cobalt owl]

I do!

[echo meteor]

i want my grease to stick there FOREVER being a pain in the arse for the next 10 turns

[crystal latch]

Silvery barbs isn't even the best level 1 reaction

[fast latch]

Shield is good too

[burnt valley]

its Shield or Absorb Elements

[echo meteor]

its why i HATE that web is flammable, its USELESS against enemies that have fire damage

[spare nacelle]

Honestly early levels Shield; later levels Absorbs Elements

[static frigate]

i feel like sbarbs essentially letting you re-attempt a spell with a saving throw is pretty huge at higher levels

[spare nacelle]

Breath weapons are painful

[crystal latch]

It gets worse at higher levels

[static frigate]

countering crits is like the least impactful thing you could use sbarbs for

[echo meteor]

they nerfed it, you cant sbarbs your own spell unless you get it from fae touched

[tidal bough]

Just evade it 😎

[north hawk]

Silvery Barbs is more versatile since you don't have to be hit to trigger the reaction.

[static frigate]

ohh okay nvm i'm thinking of 2014 then

[tidal bough]

Silvery barbs is a strong spell but it does chew through your spell slots

[crystal latch]

It gets worse because SBarbs is most impactful on single target spells and there are no good single target save spells past a certain early point

[echo meteor]

Levitate!

[crystal latch]

Single target saving throw effects peak with level 2 slots

[tidal bough]

The only reason silvery barbs is good is because the game doesnt run multiple encounters per long rest

[echo meteor]

you miss the save ONCE, and the BBEG aint getting naywhere

[static frigate]

do you count banishment as an early spell?

[echo meteor]

Polymorph?

[static frigate]

i tend to see it used to ensure banishment lands, is all

[tidal bough]

Banishment is abit more mid game

[crystal latch]

No, I count it as a mid spell

[tidal bough]

Mid spell or mid game spell?

[echo meteor]

Though i think Wall of Fire is just a better level 4 spell

[crystal latch]

Mid spell