dnd-discussion

[fast latch]

Hi
Are you one of those people who puts their real face in their PFP?

If yes, I like your hair

[proper forum]

Her character her lore abd her design are all heavily associated with blood. Sanguis means blood in Latin. It adds to the symbolism.

[fast latch]

Sorcerer or Blood Hunter or that CR Blood Wizard?

[proper forum]

Life domain cleric. We really needed a healer. Blood domain didn't even come out until a year into the campaign. I was mad when I found out. Kinda

[remote wadi]

Maybe one time. But I find that pretty boring

[remote wadi]

Life Cleric? Shepherd Druid? Paladin?

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, I see a lot of self inserts

[proper forum]

I just said life domain cleric.

[remote wadi]

I only see "need a healer"

[uncut hatch]

Hi guys

[proper forum]

Hi

[remote wadi]

So like are you asking for one? Wanting a healing focused class added to dnd?

[knotty pasture]

Lol, lmao even

[remote wadi]

Because if you are looking for a healer player, dms are open

But if you wished for a class to be added for healing centric, don't. Those already exist

[proper forum]

That was 2 years ago and that campaign is long finished

I'm a warlock now

[remote wadi]

Hmmm

Now what?

[fast latch]

Pretty much never

One of my old Pokemon OCs was basically a self insert with a team full of my favorites and a Skeledirge with Battle Bond though

[proper forum]

There's no need for you to get involved, basically

[remote wadi]

Well, sure. Just am usually looking for a campaign

And would be a fun way to try out a new character concept

Doesn't really matter now, though

[proper forum]

Yeah besides most of the people I play with are people I know irl and their friends. And our campaigns are in our native language.

[severe rampart]

rolled a d20 for luck before this session, got a 5 (yesterday I got a 1 and rolled horribly in a different campaign)

[fast latch]

Awww

I hope you roll better

[severe rampart]

the highest I rolled that session was a natural 8, before the last 5 minutes where I rolled a 19 finally on the last enemy (didn't even crit)

[fast latch]

Oh that sucks ass

[stark arch]

so i made a nice oath breaker character with 22 ac with shield of faith spell at lvl 3. other player was stuned about my high ac XD

all he got with his figher is up to 19 ac with cloack of protection XD

[strong pendant]

Hey has anyone here had a sidekick before?

[fossil hollow]

yeah

ive ran two as well

[strong pendant]

I just got a sprite with the expert class and I’m thinking about how to use it on my wild magic sorcerer

😅I really wanted it to be a prodigy lowk for some extra healing and utility but it’s still nice and I’m excited to have em

[strong pendant]

What was the one you had? And how was it? Do you think it was a significant factor for you in that game?

[fossil hollow]

expert and warrior

[strong pendant]

How did you find expert

[flat glade]

Does anyone know some alternatives to making characters apart from DNDBeyond? I really dont wanna buy from them since they keep doing sketchy stuff

[fossil hollow]

they were just there to fill in mising player slots, but the expert was a lot of fun to run, due to them being more supportive with Help

[strong pendant]

What sketchy stuff? But also yeah there’s google doc templates, you can just print out a character sheet, there’s dice cloud, and gsheet

[flat glade]

They keep trying to screw over people who buy from them from what I keep seeing, plus they can remove anything they want and you dont get the content anymore so you lose your money

[strong pendant]

Nice, yeah on my end my sidekick is def gonna be more of a team support bc as a sorcerer I have innate sorcery which gives me adv on spell attacks and also the lucky feat. So I imagine I won’t be using it on myself too often

[strong pendant]

Like in what way? Like can u name an instance where they screwed ppl over

Bc I’ve been using them for yrs and haven’t had any of my stuff taken idk

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, I used the Sidekick rules a couple of times. My last in-person campaign only had 3 players, so I used the Sidekick rules a lot to make a more sort of “fleshed out” NPC to round the party out a little more.

[strong pendant]

I do get the way to feel like you “own” it tho that’s really fair

[strong pendant]

Nice, glad it worked out that way

[remote wadi]

Native language being?

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, my players enjoyed it too cuz I’d let them take turns running the Sidekick as well as their character if they wanted to in combat

[stark arch]

i got a zombie on the end of session 0

[flat glade]

Just the stuff im seeing online i guess, i just dont wanna get spit on when trying to make my class properly because i have to buy books

[uncut zenith]

I mostly offered in attempt to not make it feel like I was using the Sidekick as an excuse to “DMPC”, but they also just genuinely enjoyed having some new characters to play around with alongside their personal characters

[flat glade]

How good is dice cloud?

[cerulean monolith]

Ooh, sidekick discussion? I use them a ton!

[strong pendant]

People who hate dnd beyond are overdramatic tbh, I used to be in a server where basically everyone did. Like conceptually yeah since it’s an online site yes they could TECHNICALLY just take ur stuff away or whatever but as a business that wants to sustain itself that would be crazy.

The closest thing was when they replaced the monster lore but anyone who had the old books still had them, just wasn’t an option if you didn’t already have em

[fossil hollow]

give us the goblin sam

[strong pendant]

It’s good just really involved/ can be intimidating, it reminds me of notion in complexity tbh. But YouTube tutorials should help, and there’s a dice cloud discord server!

[strong pendant]

Hell yeah lol

[strong pendant]

oo yeah sidekicks really do circumvent the dmpc problem honestly, love that

[flat glade]

Ive just never bought any books before and the only hard copy i have is one player guide so im a bit scared is all lol

[fossil hollow]

look, there literally almost no reason for ddb to revoke your access if youre not breaking ToS (or if ddb dies)

[strong pendant]

Totally fair! If ur younger it’s definitely quite a bit of money, definitely was for me lol

Getting dnd beyond books just made sense for me because of how much online dnd I was playing lol

[fossil hollow]

that said, i always try to buy physical

support my local game stores and bookstores when possible

[flat glade]

Im pretty much hard stuck to playing online lmao, all i really want out of the books is oath of vengeance and the brutal grip feat

Im used to more since i played alot of BG3

[fossil hollow]

brutal grip is third party iirc

[buoyant oar]

There is no reason for DDB to revoke access. But TBH until they finish some much needed updates there are much better places to get digital dnd books legally.

[cerulean monolith]

In my Saturday morning game, they’re briefly going to have a sidekick for one quest. In my Saturday evening game, they have two sidekicks, each controlled by a different player. And in my Sunday morning game, they have a permanent sidekick controlled by me, to balance out the small party size

[flat glade]

I just checked and it is

[cerulean monolith]

Sunday evening game doesn’t have sidekicks, because they’re 11th level and there’s five of them.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, if you actually want to own what you buy, buy physical. When you buy on DDB, you’re actually buying a license to access the content. If DDB ever goes down (which there doesn’t seem to be any indication of happening any time soon), you won’t have access to what you spent money on digitally anymore.

[buoyant oar]

The best digital product is self produced PDFs!

[flat glade]

My main problem is that i can make the character i want super easily by googling feats that come out that i want, with dnd beyond i have to buy the digital book before im allowed to put it on my character

[buoyant oar]

Well yea, because other sites ranked in google are actively stealing content IP

[uncut zenith]

Correct. Typically when you want access to things that aren’t free, you have to buy them one way or another.

[buoyant oar]

Bold statement incoming

Theft is bad

[flat glade]

So should i buy some books for my character?

[flat glade]

Mostly

[fossil hollow]

if youre playing online, does your dm have a dndbeyond campaign theyre using

[flat glade]

Yes

[strong pendant]

And dnd beyond is nice bc u can just selectively buy what you want instead of the whole book! :)

[fossil hollow]

i take it thy dont have master tier for content sharing

[strong pendant]

❤️‍🩹miss my master tier dm lol

[buoyant oar]

That feature has been gone for nearly two years now

[fossil hollow]

not for a while. that got removed a loooong time ago

[wanton gust]

?

[strong pendant]

I only really have the new phb and Tasha’s

[flat glade]

I cant use oath of vengeance unless im in the campaign so i think they do, i also saw they patched a glitch you could do with content sharing

[strong pendant]

Oh damn, I did not know that. That sucks

[wanton gust]

Anyone use roll20?

[uncut zenith]

Yeah it went away after WOTC bought DDB from… Fandom was it?

[swift wren]

Yepp, currently switching tho because Foundry

[buoyant oar]

A la Carte purchasing removal faced significant blow back from the community and WOTC really did just went. Nah.

[strong pendant]

Ah

[wanton gust]

Bc foundry is better?

[buoyant oar]

Foundry is truly the GOATed VTT

[strong pendant]

Ugh I’ve heard sm good things abt foundry

[flat glade]

WOTC and Hasbro just want money from what a bunch of threads and reddit posts say

[buoyant oar]

Corporations do tend to want line number to go up

[swift wren]

Yes, but its cheaper and unfortunatly more customizable. But I am going to miss the stutter, security breaches and weird bugs

[wanton gust]

Yeah I've used it as a player in another one of my family members ttrpgs (eote sw ttrpg) and it seems nice for that but never used it for DnD...

[uncut zenith]

Yep, corporations exist to make money. That’s not exclusive to Hasbro/WOTC.

[wanton gust]

Waiiiit the what now

[flat glade]

Money without caring about the consumers, but again thats just stuff i see so whatever ig lol

[fossil hollow]

that is intended for content sharing yes

[buoyant oar]

Foundry requires No subscription, its endlessly customizable, can be used with prebuilt systems like PF2e, 5e, to even niche ones like the Mass Effect 5e Conversion, Mork Borg and more

[fossil hollow]

also all corporations still in this day and age

[swift wren]

Just brave or ecosia "Roll20 security Breach", and you get I think three different events if I am correct

[uncut zenith]

There are rare smaller companies that do care about the consumer, but they’re few and far between. The major corporations, on the other hand, have pretty much a legal obligation to make more money this year than last year, regardless of the quality of their product.

[humble cairn]

I don't know why WOTC itself gets this rap. I have felt over the years that the WOTC team has done stuff to help protect and encourage players in various ways. This often made entrenched fans angry, but it made many of us who were under represented feel more welcome.

[snow heart]

We argue about the Great Wheel as if it’s the blueprint of existence, but a 50-year perspective reveals the truth: The Wheel is just a scaffold built over a screaming void.
Have you ever considered The Serpent? Not a god, not a demon, but a personification of The Unity of Magic itself. Ancient lore suggests that the Serpent whispered to Mok'slyk and Vecna, teaching them that the Multiverse isn't made of 'elements' or 'souls,' but of Syntax.
If you go deep enough into the Far Realm—past the Ethereal, past the Astral—you realize that the laws of physics in our 'Prime Material' 3-story house are just localized habits of reality. When a high-level wizard casts a spell, they aren't 'using magic'; they are performing a Direct Edit on the Source Code of the Serpent.
True mastery isn't winning the Blood War. The Blood War is a distraction for children. True mastery is understanding The Over-Logos. It’s the realization that if you change one phoneme in the 'Words of Creation,' the Nine Hells don't just lose a battle—they never existed in the first place. We aren't playing a game of 'Stickers and Swords'; we are sitting in a reality that is being constantly un-made and re-written by entities that view our 'Gods' as mere punctuation marks in an infinite, terrifying sentence.

[uncut zenith]

Holy wall of text, Batman

[wanton gust]

Oh my. From what I read foundry is like a one time fifty buck purchase ? Seems pretty nice if so

[fossil hollow]

to put simply:
hasbro. and also mtg

[limber trail]

There's no holes in that wall of text

[flat glade]

Idk, ill probably just cave eventually and buy some books, i think ill live

[buoyant oar]

I had 12,500 hours in Roll20.

Paid $15 a month for 7 years.

Paid 50$ once for foundry

[swift wren]

It is, weird Learning curve is the only real downside

[buoyant oar]

Never went back to roll20

[flat glade]

Whats foundry?

[humble cairn]

Yeah Hasbro certainly doesn't feel as friendly, but the team at WOTC itself is not Hasbro.

[fossil hollow]

a virtual table top

[dark pewter]

Foundry being a one-time license purchase is very nice, and it's got a lot of robust features and plug-ins

[serene jolt]

I wish you could share sources between roll20 and DnDBeyond though. Like if you buy a book on DnDBeyond, you don't need to buy it on roll20.

That'd be cool...

[swift wren]

I mean if Roll20 Was good we would have Roll21 by now

[uncut zenith]

While I can mostly agree with this, I also feel like there have been instances of noticeable pressure from the parent company

[wanton gust]

Good news is I had a double learning curve with it, so I know it ok...other side of things is, does it have built in voice capability? Or is that gonna have to be through 3rd pt voice

[fossil hollow]

yeah, but hasbro has been really treating dnd like shit

by mere association they suffer

cant forget th undermonetized comment and the ogl debacle

[uncut zenith]

WOTC definitely seems to care about what they’re producing for the most part, but they still have to answer to higher powers who may not care about more than money

[swift wren]

Maybe there are mods for it, I do not use Modulation

[fossil hollow]

the bane of all things creative:
shareholders

[buoyant oar]

With regards to WOTC / Hasbro.

There were some times where WOTC's inclusivity pushes (WHICH ARE A GOOD THING) felt a little performative more than anything.

[uncut zenith]

WOTC genuinely seems to want to make good content. Hasbro wants them to make content.

[fossil hollow]

we need more radiant citadel

[buoyant oar]

Not all of them mind. Some have been actually awesome. But as someone who remembers WOTC before it was in vouge for a company to be inclusive. It makes me apprehensive but hopeful with all of the new blood.

[flat glade]

Im probably gonna dip, i feel kinda bad for sparking a whole debate because i wanted a feat lol, hope you guys have a good day. Also i might buy a few books now too cause of yall, thanks :)

[uncut zenith]

I’m willing to overlook it feeling performative so long as they stick to said pushes

[snow heart]

I’d like to open a design-level question for those who have run multi-decade campaigns across editions.

In your experience, what actually sustains long-term campaign tension at high tiers of play once resource scarcity ceases to be meaningful?

By Tier 3–4, characters typically have:
– Reliable resurrection
– Teleportation logistics
– Information divination
– Economic dominance
– Political influence

At that point, traditional stakes (death, travel danger, gold, isolation) are functionally solved problems.

So the question becomes:

What replaces scarcity as the engine of tension?

Is it:
– Reputation damage?
– Cosmic consequences?
– Factional instability?
– Moral dilemmas with no optimal outcome?
– Time-sensitive cascading failures?

Or do you deliberately reintroduce limitation through setting architecture (anti-magic zones, divine interference, planar constraints, entropy mechanics)?

I’m particularly interested in how you prevent high-level play from degenerating into “spell slot logistics management” while preserving player agency.

What structural techniques have proven durable over decades of play?

[uncut zenith]

Performative or not, so long as it’s being done I’m happy

[fossil hollow]

ok, dude

what the hell is it with the wall of text

[uncut zenith]

And why is it directed at me specifically? Lol

[snow heart]

Because you are the expert here

[uncut zenith]

I’m not

[fossil hollow]

expert on what

[uncut zenith]

I’m just some guy who loves D&D in a D&D server

[fossil hollow]

not sure what youre even yapping about

[snow heart]

Sorry bro!

[fossil hollow]

you just kinda posted two walls of text

[snow heart]

I am talking about what sustains long term campaign tension at the higher tiers

[buoyant oar]

For me

It will take me a long time for me to see any for profit company as an "ally".

And not like that old Darko Meme.

Hello. It is I. Coporation. As you Can see, I have Rainbow logo in June. Therefore I am. L.GBT.1 Please Consume.

[uncut zenith]

Maybe try having a discussion then, instead of posting walls of text like this is a subreddit

[naive cedar]

Bro you can’t post walls of text here. DND players don’t read /j

[buoyant oar]

Don't?

Don't you mean Can't?

[keen kestrel]

What does this say again?

[naive cedar]

In all seriousness, yeah, you should be trying to have a discussion here

[idle oar]

Problems that are not actually solvable, or are complicated and more nuanced, that require skills and resources higher level play can allow.

[fossil hollow]

same thing, arent they?

[limber trail]

I'm not going to address every point here but it's very possible to challenge players on at least resurrection at high levels. It's very very possible, I secured a permanent unrevivable kill on my players a couple weeks ago. I really think you just need to engage with challenging players in the way that they need to be challenged at higher levels. Your usual "hit them until they die" techniques won't work, you gotta up your game, but it's a solvable problem.

[naive cedar]

Considering the literacy rates in the United States you may be on to something

[fossil hollow]

hit them with the lich devouring, the blackrazor, the wish needed to revive, the nightwalkers

[idle oar]

Also let’s ease up on assumptions here - don’t assume everyone is an expert or a “bro” (or wants to be referred to as such)

[fossil hollow]

so many effects already say you cant revive unless X

[limber trail]

Force them into a fight in a dead magic zone and see how they play things out

[buoyant oar]

Here is how I keep tension with high level play.

"Hey catastrophe event is coming. No amount of prep or magic or whatever will stop it. We are long past the prevention phase. We are in Mitigation Phase."

[swift wren]

Scarcity isnt gone but shifted, from resources and survival to consequences regarding the setting itself.

The characters become a geopolitical force and should have characters NPCs to match, if they are alone at that level of Power they would be treated like semi gods or classic superheroes and I would weave the narrative around it

[fossil hollow]

or a no regain hit points aura like the dracolich

[wanton gust]

I have a fantastic time checking my characters sheets and working in ways to make them think based on their strengths and weaknesses..... Or... If all they do is run around and use one can trip, let's see what we can do to make it a bit more immersive...

[naive cedar]

My apologies: I call everyone “bro” regardless of gender

[unkempt zealot]

good day everyonee

[snow heart]

I agree that resurrection can be countered mechanically. Soul destruction, divine refusal, temporal displacement, narrative severance — all valid tools.

But I’m less interested in whether death can be made permanent, and more in whether reintroducing lethality is the optimal solution at high tiers.

If Tier 4 tension still depends on “find a way to make them die harder,” are we evolving the game — or just reinforcing the same stakes with stronger locks?

I’m curious whether you’ve found non-lethal pressure (cosmic politics, moral no-win scenarios, irreversible world changes) to be more sustainable long-term than escalating finality.

[fossil hollow]

cant revive with 1 hp if you cant get hit points

[fossil hollow]

stakes should be higher than "oh i can die because this thing is gonna kill me" starting at level 10

[idle oar]

Or even getting the resource requires making a deal with a less savory power

[buoyant oar]

The undead armies of Szas Tam will invade the sword coast.

You cannot stop the invasion. Your job is to mitigate the losses that will occur.

[limber trail]

I don't necessarily think either is better or worse than the other. You can have both these amazing moral/narrative tensions AND tense personal stakes where their own death is on the line.

[still plover]

Scale is a factor. If you're a big deal, your problems are more likely to be big ones. Not your problems? Enjoy the new hellmouth.

[swift wren]

No need to LLM a question on a discord server. Sustainability of campaigns imho is multi-plotting and group motivation.

[buoyant oar]

Then spread the party thin.

Armies attack multiple fronts. The dam is leaking and the tension for the party is can they keep plugging the holes before it collapses.

[snow heart]

Fair point on sustainability being multi-plotting and group motivation — that’s probably the backbone of any long campaign.My question wasn’t about replacing that, but about what mechanical or structural pressures you’ve found most reliable once characters can bypass traditional constraints.
And I agree you can absolutely have both narrative tension and lethal stakes. I’m mostly curious whether, over decades of play, you’ve found one to be more durable than the other in preventing high-tier stagnation.

[topaz eagle]

Yo gang, I have a question. For example, daggers do 1d4 piercing dmg. If you have proficiency with daggers, do you just add the proficiency bonus to the roll ?

[swift wren]

Good as situation, but needs to be properly woven into the narrative. We got Marvel films or for those with taste Invincible and the boys

[swift wren]

Just the stat, in that case dexterity

[flat glade]

How many player books should i get? Or should i just buy all of them?

[buoyant oar]

Put quests on Hard Time limits.

• If you don't stop this ritual in 4 days. X Very bad thing Will happen.

Then introduce 5 other problems and make them pick.

[topaz eagle]

ohhhhhhhhhh ok and it's the dexterity mod for every weapon ?

[snow heart]

Not quite.Proficiency bonus is added to the attack roll, not the damage roll.So with a dagger:
Attack roll: d20 + ability modifier (usually Dex) + proficiency bonus (if proficient)
Damage roll: 1d4 + ability modifier.Proficiency never gets added to damage unless a feature specifically says so.

[limber trail]

I haven't played for decades, but I have found in my experience that both are needed. I wouldn't say I've found either one to be more durable than the other.

[topaz eagle]

Thanks 👍

[swift wren]

All Dex weapons, some use Str and some Dex you can find that next to the weapons themselves :)

[topaz eagle]

ok :)

[buoyant oar]

High level play dnd is where the party is actually very powerful.

And it is the perfect time for the DM to pull the Fool Around and Find Out card.

[barren panther]

If you have nothing, see if you get everything you need out of the free rules. If not, get the PHB

[uncut zenith]

Yep. This is a classic thing we see in video games too. There’s too much to do in too little time, so you’ve gotta pick a handful of problems you can solve and hope you can at least minimize the problems you can’t outright solve.

[wanton gust]

I like that card at every level ... 😅

[flat glade]

Player hand book, anything else?

[left sigil]

In BECMI they can start a long process to become semi-deities, then start doing deitie like activites, travelling to other planes, messing with gods, fighting gods, etc

[valid geyser]

immortals supplements sure are something

[left sigil]

Its a neat way to retire pc's in to the worlds cosmology

[valid geyser]

I did always think the lore was cool. Completely different from ad&d era lore.
a BECMI immortal would make a neat NPC in a planescape game

[snow heart]

That’s a great example — BECMI’s path to Immortality is probably one of the cleanest historical answers to high-tier drift.I’m curious though: once characters begin operating at the semi-deity level, did you find that the game meaningfully changes genre at that point?Does tension shift from personal survival to cosmic positioning and legacy? Or does it risk becoming escalation for escalation’s sake?I’ve always wondered whether ascension solves high-level stagnation — or simply formalizes it.

[valid geyser]

very much so. old d&d had the expectation even without the immortals stuff that PCs would become rich and powerful enough to own land and command politics, the game would almost have some war game stuff there

[barren panther]

As a player, PHB will handle most of what you need, unless you want to play as an artificer or a subclass that hasn’t been ported to the 2024 PHB. IMO most of the book buying falls on the DM

[buoyant oar]

Well FAFO in low level play is:

• Level 2 pally says "Hit Me." To hobgoblin with martial adv and dies.

FAFO in high level play is:

• Level 18 Party has to choose to save the cities of Myratma or Zazesspur. They cannot save both. If they overextend themselves and attempt to do so after being told, they lose both.

[barren panther]

Unless you just really like collecting the books

[snow heart]

That’s actually something I deeply respect about early D&D — the expectation that success fundamentally alters the scale of play.The shift from dungeon survival to domain governance to warfare feels less like escalation and more like systemic evolution.Would you say modern editions lost some of that structural expectation? It feels like contemporary high-tier play often scales vertically (bigger monsters, bigger threats) rather than horizontally into political and logistical complexity.I sometimes wonder if the war-game DNA was what naturally prevented stagnation back then.

[woven flint]

Hello, friends, it's been a while 🧐

[wanton gust]

Yeah 😂 I just think it does apply at all levels

[left sigil]

Well, only 2 ever actually finished on their path. They wanted to retire their characters as part of the worlds greater cosmology so i couldnt run any of the immortal modules sadly

[swift wren]

Can we not LLM/ChatGPT Discord messages/posts? It feels like talking to bots

[valid geyser]

yeah i checked zeroGPT, responses did come out with AI flags

[buoyant oar]

GPT checkers are terrible in their own right and sadly can't be trusted.

[valid geyser]

i guess it was more the fast response paragraph
I do get nervous of being suspicious of that stuff in case they actuall are a person

[barren panther]

Have you considered that it’s just big brain time? /j

[left sigil]

As gygax intended

[snow heart]

bro am a person

[swift wren]

EmDash, its not this BUT THIS, is / feels / looks less like xyz and more like xyz is very chatgptian in nature

[buoyant oar]

We are all just ChatGPT shards talking to each other.

[valid geyser]

my apologies, then.

[swift wren]

Don't tell that while the only human user is here :( #beepboopinsadness

[snow heart]

Its alright.I actually use ai a lot for work and slowly have begun to write and talk like one but no problem!

[loud tendon]

Please dont call people "bro".. not everyone here identifies as male and its a bit flippant

[buoyant oar]

I am so mad ChatGPT took the EmDash from us. I had to go back to my 1000 page draft Guild project and edit them out. Because I don't want to get witch hunted for using them.

[barren panther]

If Themberchaud wasn’t here to eat my gifs there’d be a suspicious Doakes gif here

[proper forum]

Do elves always have straight hair?

[buoyant oar]

no

[left sigil]

No

[swift wren]

Not the emdash itself, but the writing structure revealed bot work

[proper forum]

OK thanks for letting me know

[buoyant oar]

Yes I know that but to the less media literate. Emdash = AI

[swift wren]

ChatGPT, write a funny response to that

[buoyant oar]

AI Content Witch Hunts have become a problem in and of themselves.

[proper forum]

What is em dash?

[barren panther]

Nah we need more ai content witch hunts

[loud tendon]

We should probably move ai detection and general grammar talk to #non-dnd-topics

[buoyant oar]

No we need to call out when AI is actually used. Not when we have a vibe

[barren panther]

I’m also fine just not talking about it anymore haha

[proper forum]

OK but what is emdash actually

[buoyant oar]

"Three items were in her bag—keys, wallet, and phone".

That dash

[flat glade]

So i should buy just the player handbooks?

[left sigil]

@snow heart no but, immortal status of itself is a grand achievement and id recommend giving it a look, its free on drivethrurpg iirc

[humble cairn]

It's a good first purchase. If you want to try out DNDBeyond, they do have free content available, it's just very limited. All the basic rules and classes, and only a few subclasses

[barren panther]

I don’t know how else to word this for you. You don’t need to go out and buy every book right away. If you really want to buy something, get the PHB and see if that doesn’t leave you wanting more

[snow heart]

Oh thats actually sick, I didn’t realize it was free. I’ll check it out.

[flat glade]

Yea, right now i only have the free stuff but valda's spire of secrets player pack is a book i might buy

[humble cairn]

Here's what you get for free: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[left sigil]

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/284479/wrath-of-the-immortals?customers_id=4103550&language=enptopwywtrue&manufacturers_id=44

[humble cairn]

Oh, but if you're going to buy anything, the Player's Handbook is basially essential.

[flat glade]

I'll snag that as well

[barren panther]

Is that third party?

[humble cairn]

Yes

[flat glade]

Google says it is but its on dnd beyond

[humble cairn]

Third Party stuff is neat, but it's not always allowed by every DM.

[barren panther]

Yeah there’s some third party stuff on there too

[humble cairn]

Beyond has partnerships with Third Party creators. Valda's is Third Party.

[barren panther]

And that also opens up the conversation to basically every third party resource out there, which is practically endless at this point

[flat glade]

I want it primarily for the brutal grip feat cause im basically my character irl, high charisma, decent strength no intelligence lmao

[flat glade]

I see third party stuff like rick and morty, critical role and stuff like that

[left sigil]

Just run it by your dm first

[proper forum]

If you really had no intelligence you wouldn't be playing D&D

[barren panther]

Some of those actually are first party, they’re just licensed material

[flat glade]

Yea hes chill with it, he even said he could cobble together a sword for me with the feat if i wanted

[flat glade]

Gnarly

[flat glade]

Could be true lmao

Thanks for helping me out though all of yall, sorry if i said anything stupid or acted stupid

[rough basalt]

Some of the third party stuff given out was also just freebies

If everything on ddb was considered official there'd be some messy games.

Since a lot of third party player options can be summarized as
Official class pointing at third party class "he just does what I do, but better/worse"

[flat glade]

I got the 2024 player handbook and valras spire of secrets player pack, any other recommendations? My friend says tashas cauldron of everything is also good

[fossil hollow]

Tasha, Xanathar, Mordenkainen's Monster of the Multiverse are all good player option filled books

[barren panther]

A lot of Tasha's stuff got eaten by the 2024 PHB but there are a few more options in there that are good. If your friend is the DM and he's accepting stuff from it, that's what matters

[flat glade]

I will be adding Xanathar and mordenkainens monster of the multiverse to my cart

[valid geyser]

Pugilist 2024 in a lot of ways is just better monk at the cost of worse AC and slightly less utility

[rough basalt]

That was what I had in mind when making that statement

[barren panther]

I would say only get MotM if you're planning on playing as an obscure species that's in their list of playable monster races, otherwise it's mostly a Monster Manual

[valid geyser]

I mean it is exactly doing what another class does but better in most regards

[deep anvil]

Hey guys i need advice on this character idea i have (how to execute it mechanically)

So i want to play a gnome warlock. Basically her concept is that shes a gunslinger who has this sniper rifle that she tinkered with with arcane tech

She parades it as her “life’s work”
But heres the thing
She grew up not really being good at craftsmanship (sorry im having trouble finding the word lol) like that. She made a pact with her patron for forbidden knowledge (so she could tinker with the rifle) and the actual magic inside it
And i want it to be a reveal that dhe wasnt just a normal gunslinger and is a warlock

So what i need advice on:
what is the cleanest way to execute this mechanically that would most likely fly with the dm and not cause confusion?

I was thinking that making her purely a warlock mechanically and telling the table beforehand
And in combat/dialogue i just use flavor text to make her spells gun themed
And then IN GAME theres the reveal

Another idea i had was to make her a warlock only in lore and mechanics shes just (martial class with gun)
But people say that loses some of the weight

Sorry if this idea is silly. Any advice?

[rough basalt]

What it sounds like is a Warlock flavoring stuff as being Gunslingeresque

Which would be fine I think as you've stated people will know above table.

[tidal bough]

Its just a reflavor, reflavor spellcasting focus as a gun that requires magic to work

[deep anvil]

Oh okay thanks guys
So even though everyone knows before hand out of character we can still roleplay the reveal in character?
I wanted it to be a surprise

[rough basalt]

Yeah.

[deep anvil]

Okay thanks

[rough basalt]

At the very least, the DM should know

[tidal bough]

You can also just keep it between you and the dm

[rough basalt]

Keeping stuff like that from the dm isn't a good idea.

[barren panther]

yeah doesn't really make sense if the DM doesn't know

[deep anvil]

Oh yeah ik definitely i wanted to make sure this concept would even fly by a dm

[barren panther]

depends on the DM but it sounds cool to me

[tidal bough]

Have keyphrases you use that you swap out with the actual names of the abilities

[deep anvil]

I was always gonna make sure the dm knew first

[rough basalt]

With most I'd argue.
Since it's just reflavoring

[tidal bough]

Shots = Eldritch Blast
Fear spell = Fear Gas
Etc.

Fireshot = firebolt

Reflavor hellish rebuke as your character pulling a flare pistol and firing at the creature as a reaction

[undone rain]

Think im gonna play a goliath war domain cleric

[rough basalt]

Flavor is free is one of those things that I rarely seen trumped.

[tidal bough]

As long as it fits the world reflavoring is fine

[proud spear]

Is there a way to "bump" your #looking-for-players add? I feel like its barely seen before buried with all the others

[fossil hollow]

sweet. My second character, and my favorite one, was the same

[rough basalt]

Only time I've seen it pushed against is when the player was flavoring cantrips as crucifying someone.

[undone rain]

Hell yeah, i love the goliaths and war domains. Frontlining and healing.

[deep anvil]

LMAO WHAT

[rough basalt]

Yeah, he made me pretty much stop flavoring.

[undone rain]

Hope we have a paladin next campaign. Clerics and paladins make one hell of a duo

[rough basalt]

I'm looking forward to what my upcoming campaigns party will be

Rn I got a Ranger for sure.

[undone rain]

Ill go cleric, i want to be a bit of support

While still being able to handle myself up close

[solemn canyon]

Question for fellow dms. Who here knows how to get mod assets to work on Dungeon draft. I been trying for hours to get them to work but no luck

[loud tendon]

No. You can post updates in the attached thread of your post, but otherwise we dont allow bumps or reposts. It makes the system more fair for everyone and less clutter

[rough basalt]

You can post LFGs in other places as well

It's what I do, usually r/lfg reddit and here

But sometimes also the Foundry discord lfg since i use foundry, or other smaller dnd discords

[rough basalt]

Should be a "select asset folder directory" in the Dungeondraft app then you direct it to a folder you're unzipping the assets into. I suggest making a new folder for them.

Will probably need an app reset

[solemn canyon]

Ive been making new folders for the mods but their still now show up in Dungeondraft asset folder directory

[rough basalt]

is the asset directory set on it?

if it is and its not working idk

[serene jolt]

Thank you for this idea. I didn't know what to do for Hellish rebuke for my artificer and this is perfect.

[solemn canyon]

So im in the mod folder, I made a new folder for the unzipped assets. I been restart Dungeon draft but its still not showing up

[rough basalt]

Ah yeah idk then man

[knotty vine]

In home wreaking

[barren panther]

I think Dungeondraft has their own discord server, maybe they can help

[inland steppe]

Anybody who plays all-evil campaigns?

[stark arch]

define evil

[eager marsh]

fairly sure they mean villain parties

[feral fulcrum]

Captain Murderhobo, usually.

[stark arch]

i go murder hobo on any one thats hostile to me

[feral fulcrum]

Define "Hostile"

[worldly flare]

Never have but I’ve always wanted to try one

[feral fulcrum]

Because there's a different from killing people who are vaguelly rude, and Self Defense from being attacked first.

[woven flint]

You don't have to be a Murderhobo to be evil

[feral fulcrum]

Indeed, but they do frequently go hand in hand.

[eager marsh]

murderhobos are usually people that treat D&D like Skyrim

[stark arch]

any one that triest to harm me

[woven flint]

I wouldn't say so
My starfinder campaign ended last night
One of the players was a mole amongst us and he stole a few of my mechanics schematics during a fight against the BBEG, but never tried to kill us or just kill everyone, he was rather friendly to everyone

He was definetly evil because he was working for an Evil hivemind lol to overthrow the pact worlds

[naive cedar]

Or gta lol

[marble lion]

That could still be harm

If someone steals nuke codes for an evil org, id consider that harmful

[woven flint]

It's harm, but it's not the same as
"Being a murder murderhobo typically goes hand-in-hand with being an evil character" which was their original argument.

[marble lion]

Yeah

So did you catch him doing it and execute him for it?

[woven flint]

We didn't.
But, at the same time, it's a bug people hivemind, who are VERY scattered, it's gonna take them a LONG time before they're advanced enough to take on the pact world's

My Mechanic rose up through the ranks of Starfinder Society and became one of the bigwigs.
He himself was a smuggler and thief, but this campaign changed him quite a bit, I can imagine they'll clash some day in the future

I was mad (mostly in character)
But he wasn't about to kill one of the people he traveled with for almost a year
Maybe if they meet again, he'll try to seek reason with him

[marble lion]

Shame

[woven flint]

It was the final session of the campaign
Stuff could've happened, but, also, it's fun to just leave what the future holds up to interpretation

Maybe the Hivemind Wins, maybe the old crew comes back to fight against this threat,maybe the Hivemind doesn't have the means and they're stuck and the plots fail

But anyways,
No, I don't think playing an Evil character and being a murderhobo really go that hand-in-hand, I just feel like it's a thing amongst those who don't know how to play compelling evil characters

[ocean comet]

Found out during my first ever DM session that one of the players (who has always been our DM but has been a player before) has, all these years, never known that you’re supposed to add your dex/str modifier to weapon damage rolls 😭

But like I don’t blame him, the books describe it so confusingly

[severe rampart]

I would love to say, I love halflings

[eager marsh]

the books explain it quite plainly and directly

[woven flint]

I'm disgusted!!! /joking

[inland steppe]

Pcs that wish to or do not mind inflicting harm on other people in order to reach a goal which would be traditionally more villainous rather than heroic, usually leading to more corrupt and chaotic world states and NPC misfortune depending on the scale of the campaign

[severe rampart]

I love rerolling natural 1's, it gives me the biggest ego boost (It saved my life from a trap)

[knotty pasture]

I'm a Gnome fan fr fr

[ocean comet]

In the phb it’s direct but there’s multiple places where you’d EXPECT it to mention that but it doesn’t

[eager marsh]

It doesnt need to. it's explained already in the most relevant section

[worldly flare]

Yeah I hate to be a jerk but it does seem kinda hard to not notice

[ocean comet]

Maybe our group is just incapable of comprehending damage rolls

[inland steppe]

Oh my god???

[woven flint]

... kinda sounds like it, no offense 😭

[ocean comet]

I unironically have to relook up the rules on rolling weapon damage every session because my brain refuses to be confident about it even though I’m right every single time

[inland steppe]

To be honest that is just DND beginnerThingsToKnow

[eager marsh]

weapons always add either strength or dexterity to damage. Thats it. its 1 sentence to remember

[ocean comet]

Both of us work in libraries and are going into librarianship and research long term we should know this yeah

[woven flint]

(Unless it's a Nick attack or a Bonus action attack iirc with two-weapon fighting)

[ocean comet]

WAIT THATS PROBABLY WHY I WAS ALWAYS SO CONFUSED

[eager marsh]

Special attacks will clearly specify if they dont add the modifier

[inland steppe]

Maybe consider using digital tools like DND Beyond if your table is having trouble? DND Beyond will add modifiers for you when rolling for weapon damage

[ocean comet]

BECAUSE I WAS MAYBE THE ONLY ONE DOING THINGS RIGHT WAIT

[eager marsh]

you dont need to question it. its clearly stated when it doesnt apply. it always applies by default

[fossil hollow]

no need for the Caps lock either

[severe rampart]

what would be better? Thief that can cast two fireballs per turn (assuming they have fireball spell scrolls) or assassin with dual wielder feat and two rapiers

[woven flint]

Ti, Eberron, today 👀

I get to play Sentry

[ocean comet]

Yeah that’s the most confusing part, I brought up the critical hit rules and he said nothing about the “don’t add modifier until after the dice”

[eager marsh]

better in what capacity? anyways assassin dual wielding doesnt get 2 sneak attacks. just more chances

[feral fulcrum]

The latter, because your'e never going to be swimming in infinite disposable fireball scrolls. And Dual Wielding is always available.

[eager marsh]

That's correct. You only ever add your modifier once.

[ocean comet]

I’d like to make it known that this person is incredibly smart and this is a one time but really funny mistake

[eager marsh]

critical hits clearly say only dice get doubled

[feral fulcrum]

Critical Hits only double Dice, keyword, Dice. Flat mods are not doubled.

[woven flint]

I don't think it's really an intelligence issue, I just feel like it's more of a confidence issue

[ocean comet]

They did mention that they use online tools that calculate that stuff as a player in the other group they’ve played with so I’m assuming they’ve just never had to roll damage and calculate manually as a player before since they’ve otherwise only dmed

[woven flint]

You've seen the rule, you KNOW it, but you question yourself
That's not really on Intelligence

[ocean comet]

It is a confidence thing for me, again I be looking up the damage rules constantly even when I know I’m right

It’s just really funny that for like four years now this wasn’t known

It’s our first time playing 2024 rules too so he went “that’s a 2024 addition right?” After I clarified the rule so I had to bring up the 2014 book with the exact same text 😭

[eager marsh]

honestly your group likely had an even worse time playing martials in 2014 than others

[ocean comet]

Well no cause I knew and I’d fix that on everyone’s character sheets when they ask for help

It was just our dm who wasn’t doing it lol

Now the player who played a level five fighter and never used their extra attack-

[crimson gulch]

The core rules alone are like 700 pages, it's easy to miss things s

[eager marsh]

why would that not be pointed out after the first time?

[serene jolt]

Does 2024 Artificer have access to Aid? It's on my spell list on DnDBeyond and I want to make sure it's not a bug.

[ocean comet]

Oh yeah also DM has only ever been artificer or bard so rarely ever did weapon attacks before being a Paladin yesterday

[exotic sinew]

With the Dual wielder feat is that bonus action attack like an extra bonus action so you can still use you normal bonus action to cast a spell or something or what's it am I just dumb lol 😆

[eager marsh]

It says you use a Bonus action. you have one of those per turn

[severe rampart]

"Starting at 3rd level, you are at your deadliest when you get the drop on your enemies. You have advantage on attack rolls against any creature that hasn't taken a turn in the combat yet. In addition, any hit you score against a creature that is surprised is a critical hit."

So as long as you have first in initiative you can get sneak attack on both right?

[eager marsh]

No. Sneak Attack is 1/turn. Always

[severe rampart]

Ahhh I see

[ocean comet]

Oh the extra attack thing

Because every turn theyd ask what they can do as a human fighter and then not pay attention and then complain about doing no damage after using no abilities or modifiers or anything so I’d have to try to nonrudely remind them that they’re doing like a third of their possible damage each turn

[exotic sinew]

So. It doesn't pair with nick Mastery then cause you still wouldn't be able to use the bonus action for an attack

[eager marsh]

No. you don't. Nick Mastery never uses your bonus action.

[exotic sinew]

No it's instead of your bonus action

[feral fulcrum]

Nick's free, and adds to your regular Attack action.

[eager marsh]

If they're refusing to remember their own very simply class features even after reminders, thats on them

[eager marsh]

Correct. Which means you can use Dual Wielder after Nick. It's intended

[ocean comet]

Also they never made a character forcing our dm to rushedly make a fighter in like 20 minutes

They’ve never made a character mechanically before

This is something we’re working out

[eager marsh]

This person sounds like the worst kind of person to play with at all no offense

[ocean comet]

Believe it or not they’re the reason we started dnd together lmao

Anyways my break is over bye bye y’all

[undone rain]

So what are you guys fav playstyle. Like as in frontlining, spellcasting in the back, support?

[exotic sinew]

Okay so let me see if i completely understand at level 1 if I attack with shortsword (vex) I then can do my scimatar nick attack with advantage, I still have a Bonus action but cannot use it for another bonus action attack even though i am using 2 Light weapons. But then level 4 dual wielder feat I can Shortsword attack (vex) advantage on my nick attack and then make another Shortsword attack as a Bonus action or would it be with the scimitar again.

[eager marsh]

Yes

[feral fulcrum]

Yeaaaah, anyone who can't even be bothered to make their charecter or fiddle with their sheet at all shouldn't even be playing with your group. I had someone like that in an Exalted Game once and it Definitely killed the game because everyone else was having fun and doing things, but the problem player just flat out refused to do Anything beyond showing up to say "I hit it with my wrench" 40 times every session while never updating their sheet, or learning what their things did.

If someone is fundamentally refusing to engage with the absolute bare minimum expected of a player, Give them the boot.

[eager marsh]

I play with several people that can't memorize their own character sheets/abilities without being reminded after 3 years and they're my least favorite people types to play with

[undone rain]

Whats the point of playing if their not gonna make a character

[exotic sinew]

Interesting and even if i have two weapon fighting as my fighting style for that Bonus action attack with the Dual wielder feat I still don't add the modifier correct cause jt said don't on the feat ?

[eager marsh]

No. The Fighting Style specifically adds to that attack as well

[exotic sinew]

Oh okay 👍 good to know sorry for that I am all understanding now 😅

[feral fulcrum]

Dual Wielding remains the crunchiest/'complex' part of 5e. And that's kind of sad. 😛

[eager marsh]

its not crunchy at all? it's just worded a bit roundabout in order to make it work

[crimson gulch]

Yeah it still trips up players from time to time, even though, I just make sure to guide them as needed

[woven flint]

I get to play my Warforged Pugilist, Sentry today 🧐
Excitement

[exotic sinew]

I am not the best at understanding this stuff so I apologise that I go over it again and again

I just wanna make sure I understand it correctly

[eager marsh]

your question is the most common one since 2024 started because they worded it all so...roundabout

[undone rain]

Quite exciting indeed

[feral fulcrum]

I still don't really get why someone made Pugilist.

[eager marsh]

strength monk?

[woven flint]

Stronk

[eager marsh]

regular Monk has zero strength synergy so homebrew is where you go

[valid geyser]

yeah it just doesnt help that the main action two-weapon fighting is the same name as the fighting style, but you dont need the fighting style to do the action, and the feat dual wielder has the commonly known term, so people might also think that you need dual wielder to dual wield

[feral fulcrum]

Guess someone really wanted "Monk, but hat if we only cared about hitting people really, really hard."

[undone rain]

Remind me how unarmored defense works

[eager marsh]

read unarmored defense and find out

[valid geyser]

i feel like people commonly associate unarmed combat as much with brute strength fisticuffs as much/more than agile martial arts

[feral fulcrum]

Reading the Thing Explains the Thing. But tldr "While not wearing armor, here's a special AC that doesn't suck."

[undone rain]

It gives me 80 different answers on google which is why i ask here because i respect yall and i trust yall

[woven flint]

Depends on where you're getting it from

Con + Dex for Barbarians
Wis + Dex for Monks
Some species give natural AC boosts
Some species have a set AC (Tortle)
Ect

[eager marsh]

read the class providing the specific feature. More than 1 class has it

[undone rain]

Thanks

[exotic sinew]

Hehehe tortle is a funny word 😄

[undone rain]

Master oogway race lmao

Or bowser

[woven flint]

Tortle is a fun species

I'm playing a Tortle Knowledge Cleric in waterdeep
His name is Artanza, he's an Old Librarian fellow
His Deity is Oghma, the Knowledge Deity of inspiration

[feral fulcrum]

The free rules on D&D Beyond would be a useful refence for you @undone rain

Got every class but Artificer on it, for future referencing.

[woven flint]

He actually got a headband of intellect last session, so, I'm excited because he can actually be good at INT skills (he's already proficient in all of them too lol)

[pearl hedge]

today i got slapped around by a tiny ooze

leugh. gross

[undone rain]

Oh hey im gonna play a cleric too

[exotic sinew]

It confuses me slightly why religion checks are intelligence when a cleric is a wisdom caster like they get their powers from worshipping their deity but cannot understand too much about them

[woven flint]

Religion is a knowledge skill

[pearl hedge]

@woven flint

[woven flint]

It's what you KNOW about a religion or certain creature

[pallid oracle]

afternoon everyone 😊

[woven flint]

I'm sure most Clerics in character, as devout worshippers, are knowledgeable about their Deity off-gate

It doesn't have to be what you know about your own religion

Religion checks also give you information about
Undead, Fiends and Celestials as creatures

[exotic sinew]

So in game terms if it came to something about your own religion would a dm be like you just know it or you get advantage or something but for other Religions it's just flat int

[woven flint]

Also, 2024 Clerics can choose a thing as they're starting that gives them their wisdom to Religion and Arcana checks as well as using Intelligence

[feral fulcrum]

Wisdom does not = Knowledge on a subject pretty much.

[exotic sinew]

Oh I haven't actually read the cleric class for 2024 properly yet

[rough basalt]

I probably wouldn't call for a roll for a cleric on their own deity unless it was some old or obscure knowledge.

In that case it'd be with advantage.

[woven flint]

It's between that or heavy armor and martial weapon Proficiency, but, honestly, the former is just better

[stoic obsidian]

Oh hi Tokii I actually started playing a 2014 cleric (with Tasha’s optional rules)

[rough basalt]

Yeah the one that gives you a bonus to check is the "Caster" spec

[exotic sinew]

I saw they changed channel divinity or divine intervention or both

[rough basalt]

Divine intervention

It's now a miniwish per long rest then you can cast Wish every 2d4 days at level 20

[feral fulcrum]

They mugged Wizards

[rough basalt]

Instead of being DM whim.

[woven flint]

Heavy armor and martial weapon Proficiency would be redundant on my specific cleric because

1. He's a Tortle and has a natural 17 AC for his shell and can still use a shield
   And
2. Strength is his dump stat lol

[stoic obsidian]

That actually makes sense

[feral fulcrum]

I mean technically it's still DM Whim, Wish's non-specific effects are still at the DM's discretion.

[rough basalt]

Well I meant regular divine intervention

[woven flint]

My Cleric actually has the highest AC in the party, I believe
But, that's out of a Monk, Barbarian, Sorcerer and Rogue as teammates, so its not that hard

[stoic obsidian]

It depends on the type of cleric tbh because some are more upfront, while others rather be further away

[rough basalt]

Its not "I want to ask my deity to heal my comrade" and DM is like
"But I refuse!"

[exotic sinew]

I was told Strength was what clerics need for Melee attacks was I just told porky pie lies

[stoic obsidian]

It a half truth

[woven flint]

Nope, not all simple weapons require Strength

[stoic obsidian]

Dagger

[fossil hollow]

Simple Ranged Weapons exist

[rough basalt]

They get simple weapon prof which a lot of simple weapons use strength.

[woven flint]

But, also, you could Quarterstaff and Shelieghleigh as well (if you have the Druid magic initiate feat) which would use your wisdom

[feral fulcrum]

Speaking of Wish and DM Whim, I've been reminded that twice now I've resurrected Dwarves naked by accident. The first was with a stolen Adamantine Plot Rock that was used to keep a Wizard Tower from detonating in the middle of a Capital city, and the second time was a deliberate Ressurection Via Wish that forgot to account for clothes in the wording.

[stoic obsidian]

Light crossbow

[woven flint]

My only Martial Cleric was my War Cleric (2024)
And as much as I loved him, using weapons on a Cleric just kinda sucks anyway for the most part

[eager marsh]

That's because they're a full caster and they never adjusted 2024 war cleric to use HextraAttack

[woven flint]

Yeap

Because heavens forbid a Cleric be able to attack twice normally 💀

[feral fulcrum]

I'm sad that Spiritual Weapon got nerfed.

[rough basalt]

I do think majority of simple weapons are strength

[eager marsh]

it was deserved. it was too good otherwise

[stoic obsidian]

With two exceptions

[feral fulcrum]

Cleric desereves a nice toy. 🙁

[woven flint]

Spirit Weapon + Spirit Gaurdians + a Cantrip or Melee Weapon attack each turn was indeed.. kinda crazy

[rough basalt]

They do have good toys

[stoic obsidian]

They do, let the cleric bash some skulls for their war god

[eager marsh]

they dont. Cleric was already more powerful than people thought and 2024 they're even more broken

[stoic obsidian]

More like nice toys for melee use

[woven flint]

Spirit Weapon being made concentration was indeed a right choice as much as I hated it

[rough basalt]

You could argue it was actually Clerics of the Temple not Wizards of the Coast with how much clerics were favored and still are.

[eager marsh]

Spiritual Weapon was concentration free, upcast to have better damage than Mordenkainen's Sword (which WAS concentration) and was available nearly all game

[rough basalt]

Guiding Bolt doing 4d6 at 1st level and able to crit

[feral fulcrum]

Isn't MOrdenkainen's Sword a bad joke in 2014?

[stoic obsidian]

Agree

[eager marsh]

because spiritual weapon was way better among other things

[woven flint]

Also as mentioned
Spiritual Weapon + Spirit Gaurdians + A Cantrip or Weapon attack each turn was absolutely TOO much

[feral fulcrum]

Or am I thinking of Blade of Disaster? I know one of them was so bad, they made the same spell, but higher level, and not crap.

[eager marsh]

I've killed the boss with Blade of Disaster. that one's no joke

[woven flint]

Blade of Disaster is a good spell

[stoic obsidian]

starts taking notes

[rough basalt]

Morden was the joke one cause of spiritual weapon mainly

[eager marsh]

2 swings as a BA with 18-20 crit range and it crits for x3 dice instead of x2 dice

[woven flint]

I can't wait to blade of disaster with my bladesinger wizard >:]

[eager marsh]

also no barrier can stop blade of disaster

[stoic obsidian]

Oh Tokii wanna see my new cleric?

[naive cedar]

further proof clerics are the best

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah it was MOrdy's that was completely terrible. 7th level spell that could be outwalked, and BARELY did more damage then a non upcasted Spiritual Weapon

[rough basalt]

Spirit weapon being non-conc still would make Cultist fanatics higher CR I think.

Hold person a PC then autocrit them with spirit weapon and their two slashes

[woven flint]

You know who needs LESS concentration spells?

Druids.

[rough basalt]

"Yes, your level 3 character does indeed take 2d8 force damage 4d6 Necrotic and 2d8 slashing. Get outskilled. This post was made by OP spell gang"

[stoic obsidian]

Oh yeah, I been enjoying having my cleric making glass figurines for roleplay

[rough basalt]

You know the meme of Patrick bloated on candy he's eaten and complaining about SpongeBob for eating one? That's kinda how I see wanting old spirit weapon with what they got now

[feral fulcrum]

You took my only Sword, now I'm gonna die.

[stoic obsidian]

Eh, as long it still fun to play

[rough basalt]

It's just some necessary changes to keep PCs as a main character not THE main character

[woven flint]

They massacred Inflict Wounds though, I think we can all agree on that

[stoic obsidian]

And honestly it make more sense than having hunters mark on rangers being concentration (tho it doesn’t cost spell slots for a few cast)

[rough basalt]

Also good.
Learn to not rely on 6d10 damage at level 1, maybe get your skill up /j

[stoic obsidian]

Oh yeah, I learn I hate toll the dead

[rough basalt]

Well they internally tested concless HM and it made Ranger just run over everything iirc.

[marble lion]

I think its fine tbh

[rough basalt]

Free extra damage, permanent advantage for more crits.

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah that’s makes sense

[marble lion]

Now clerics cant have any support spells up while spiritual weaponing

[eager marsh]

Hunters mark doesn’t give advantage and you still need a BA to move targets

[marble lion]

Things shouldnt be balanced around worst case scenario

[rough basalt]

It does at higher levels

[stoic obsidian]

Seriously the damage can be very inconsistent on avrae

[rough basalt]

And a BA cost ain't really that much unless you plan on using Ensnaring Strike.

[eager marsh]

And that’s fine. Ranger still feels weaker than it should as is and it’s still a BA to move targets. What concentration spells does a Ranger hypothetical have to combo with Hunters Mark that somehow makes it broken suddenly?

[rough basalt]

Higher level stuff, the extra damage on top of spike growth and whatnot.

[eager marsh]

Spike growth doesn’t stack with HM it’s not an attack

So that’s not even an argument against concentrationless HM

[rough basalt]

Yes but that's basically free damage on top of your free damage doing on attacks.

[eager marsh]

And? Spike Growth is a good spell. If combining that with still having hunters mark also active ‘makes rangers overrun everything’ I think their in house testing was mediocre

[rough basalt]

Well it made them do more damage than other martials, as well as area control/damage

[marble lion]

I wanna play dnd

[eager marsh]

That’s a poor example because that’s still true even without HM being up at the same time

Spike growth will just do a lot of free damage if used correctly

It’s also an Ally threat too

[rough basalt]

Yeah so with their internal testing they decided it was better if you did regular damage while having good free aoe damage or better damage on a single target

The free castings being the kicker

[eager marsh]

Eh. I’ve only made one Ranger before so it’s not a huge issue to me but players will never be satisfied even with reasonable changes. Like smite

[rough basalt]

Yeah some people want the survival stuff back like they actually engaged with it at all

[stoic obsidian]

Guess I am the exception

[rough basalt]

Can bet most of the "I want my survival stuff back" people immediately pick goodberry and whine if the dm uses survival mechanics

[eager marsh]

The survival stuff just was too situational and saying ‘ask your DM to run a game in your chosen terrain’ was a pretty weak argument for it

Or metagaming making a Ranger in OotA or ToA with the specific favored terrain for those exploration sections

[rough basalt]

There's a middle ground between the old and new that could be good, but the current state is just the best it can be without relying on dms to use rules or keep the adventure contained.

[stoic obsidian]

I agree with ryunosuke on that, and honestly why I prefer Tasha’s optional rules for them

[eager marsh]

The open beta had a damage bonus against your favored enemy as well and for some reason the official release for 5e 2014 removed it

[rough basalt]

2024 is just Tashas with the gunk removed tbh

[stoic obsidian]

True

[rough basalt]

Favored Foe was just HM but didn't say so.

[mortal pecan]

Anyone have a 5.5e DnD character sheet for Google Sheets that is availible for use?

[eager marsh]

I still miss open beta Bard being able to use their turn performing to grant all Allies +1d6 on all damage rolls

[rough basalt]

I think ddb has links for digital fillable sheets

[eager marsh]

It didn’t activate until the attack hit so it had a better interaction with things like lightning arrow where you could use that and then trigger Favored Foe after the concentration for lightning arrow went though.

[stoic obsidian]

Now, I feel disappointed wish I didn’t know

[eager marsh]

Favored Foe had a technically better interaction timing for the Ranger bonus action ‘smite adjacent’ spells

[rough basalt]

Huh.
Well tbh I probably wouldn't remember.

It was just a d4 like 2014 HM right?

[eager marsh]

I remembered because I used it when my friends and me did a Tiwr 3 one shot and I tried Horizon Walker

[eager marsh]

HM is d6

Favored Foe was d4 at early levels then went up iirc

[marble lion]

I wanna cast magic missile and fireball on classics like oozes and goblins

[eager marsh]

But yea I remember because I was able to shoot lightning arrow at the beholder and then activate Favored Foe after the lightning shot

[rough basalt]

Right I think it went up to a d6 at level 11 or something

[eager marsh]

Yea. Still really hoping 2024 horizon walker isn’t a bad joke mechanically

[rough basalt]

Wait d6 at level 6 then d8 at level 14

[eager marsh]

The lv11 feature being ‘you can attack 3 times like a fighter but only if all three are separate targets’ was pretty feelsbad

[rough basalt]

Ranger has a lot of subs that just turn me off the class

[eager marsh]

Also bonus action every turn for planar warrior

It’s because they keep making subclasses that wanna eat your bonus action and that contradicts the free HM casts and half the spells they wanna cast in combat

It’s why liked Fey wanderer having their bonus damage be free. Lower die but less resisted type. Also charisma Ranger hax

[rough basalt]

Like Drakewarden is cool but you don't really get the Dragon rider fantasy till later

Horizon Walker is a bad joke

[eager marsh]

Even then it’s just Hunters Mark tied to a body

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh I feel hunters mark is kinda the long adventuring day use

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, WOTC Still doesn't know where they want Flight to be.

[eager marsh]

Which you should be using normally anyways

[rough basalt]

I have a Dragon Rider 3rd party class that I'd suggest a player play over Drakewarden.

[eager marsh]

WotC can never decide a fair point for flight. 2014 draconic sorcerer crying still

[feral fulcrum]

You've got species that have it right off the rip, easily available via 3rd level spell and Uncommon Brooms of flying, and still they do things like restrict being able to fly on a mount until the late game

[rough basalt]

Even tho it was made in the Dark Ages (2014 to late 2016)

[eager marsh]

Brooms of flying were at least nerfed to be attunement

[stoic obsidian]

Still wack with competition for bonus action

[rough basalt]

Monster Slayer is just weird

It's got good spells, and a couple really good features

Then the other 2 features exist.

I think one is just new HM but weapon damage

Yeah BA to do 1d6 damage once per turn

[pearl hedge]

has anybody ever rung a bell as an action

[rough basalt]

Once per short rest

[eager marsh]

Getting extra damage per attack more than 1/turn is a big deal but at the same time it becomes a requirement for martials to keep up in higher levels

[hidden spindle]

Doing it twice every 6 seconds as a Thief Rogue

[rough basalt]

Then the subclass capstone let's you attack your definitely not Hunters Mark target once for making you roll a saving throw

[eager marsh]

If my monk wasn’t using wyrmreaver gauntlets for +1d6 per attack normally I’d be falling behind on output vs casters

[rough basalt]

Like that and DNHM exist, but then you got use an action to know everything about a Monster and Counterspell that cant be counterspelled as the other features

[fossil hollow]

yum

[pearl hedge]

why

[knotty vine]

That’s true for any marital

[eager marsh]

If we have prep time I also chug a potion of growth and pugilism for more bonus dice

[rough basalt]

Bell go clang

[eager marsh]

Tavern brawler legally rerolls all the 1s even on those

[pearl hedge]

but why ring it it will give away your location

[knotty vine]

Maritals will always fall behind magic

[rough basalt]

Like the only Ranger subs that interest me are Gloomstalker, Fey Wanderer and Beastmaster.

[eager marsh]

I just abuse magic to be the single target expert

[knotty vine]

I am not looking forward to this dnd game I have coming up

[eager marsh]

Punching for 1d10+2d6+1d4+9 five times with flurry is a really good way to make a bbeg see god

[stoic obsidian]

And magic weapons

[craggy summit]

Why not? 🤔 DnD is supposed to be something you enjoy

[eager marsh]

That counts as abusing magic

[knotty vine]

The dm is as competent as a pile of rocks

[stoic obsidian]

What bonuses you using?

[strong pendant]

ah darn, in what way?

Like story not entertaining? Are they just forgetting things

[craggy summit]

Is it an online game or an in person game?

[knotty vine]

My main issue as that the campaign is super combat heavy which I don’t mind but we have like 6 players and he expects us to do this all in theater of the mind

And his only reason is “oh well my pc can’t run that”

[eager marsh]

Wraps of Unarmed Prowess +3, Insignia of Claws, potion of Pugilism/Growth, and Wyrmreaver Gauntlers and 20 dex

[stoic obsidian]

Oh yeah the cyclone hands

[strong pendant]

Oh.. yeah that’s def not a match for everyone, I love theater of the mind but all the players have to be on board. My games weren’t “super” combat heavy tho, like lots of combat for sure like we prob at least had one most sessions but we also had a lot of just rp sessions. I can see how it can get it annoying if it’s like a dungeon crawler or meat grinder kinda vibe

[stoic haven]

goooood afternoon everyone

[knotty vine]

When I have to “how far is that enemy” or “where is that guy again” every turn it really kills combat for me

[eager marsh]

Don’t always have the potions drank before combat but moving directly to a target and unloading attacks is my usual job. That and grappling

[knotty vine]

Especially when we have 5 other turns as well as the enemies turns to get through

[stoic haven]

How are we all doing

[knotty vine]

Loathing

[eager marsh]

I think theatre of mind is objectively bad for combat and circumstantially reduces the value of certain features and abilities because positioning isn’t actually being tracked correctly

[ocean comet]

Surviving

[knotty vine]

Exactly right

It’s very annoying like I said to ask every turn where an enemy is

[stoic haven]

Has anyone gotten a character that should've in every sense died from an encounter, but the DM played soft and you regret it?

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, well I mostly use blood fury tattoo and deft strike on my monk, and the magic weapons are ummmm utility my dm allow us to attuned to a lot of crap, good thing I found a more in line with the normal rules for dnd on another sever

Seriously cool, but also wildly unbalanced

[knotty vine]

I prefer the bear paw claw tattoo cause it allows you to do some wild things

[stoic haven]

I forget how soft 2014 monks actually are smh

because deflect missiles only works against ranged

[eager marsh]

If it weren’t for deflect attacks I would be dead a dozen times over and that’s with being in a party with a life cleric dedicated healer

Old monks were definitely under powered if you weren’t just 4x stunning a bbeg exclusively

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh it never really made why it that way in 2014, it like asking for it not to be used much

[stoic haven]

Yea, I tried a grappler build, and our Barbarian dipped (along with our Bard), start of combat to try and return something that we could've done after combat. So I was sole frontline

[sleek cloud]

crack those knuckles and get to it

[eager marsh]

Bard countercharm found dead in a ditch for being useless

[eager marsh]

Why would they dip from combat at all for something that can be done after? Combat almost never lasts more than 30 seconds even

[knotty vine]

I will never stop laughing that deflect missile doesn’t even work on the one spell with “missile” in its name

[stoic haven]

Our 2 other spellcasters kept running away as I was grappling 2 out of 4 enemies, and I went down before my next turn, (Should've died, the enemy had 3 regular attacks and then action surged, 1 attack brought me down and he stopped, had 2 more attacks still)

[stoic haven]

Idk, our bard loves to do this a lot, always mid combat when it is the worst timing (usually ends up in some of us dying)

[eager marsh]

I feel like this is a player issue that should be discussed

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah I would be angry at the players at that point, and if they say that what my character would I would say “and yet you control your character thus you are still a bad player”

[stoic haven]

But now I just want to play a new character as I feel my character should rightfully be dead right now, but now that he's alive, its hard to take him out

Also, this monk of mine is only 4 sessions in, was a replacement for my warlock

[stoic obsidian]

But seriously that just awful man

[serene jolt]

Last time I did TOTM combat, I was running a 'drive by' monk and half the time, I was trying to explain that I wanted to get 5 feet within one creature, smack it, then run as far away as possible. It was really wonky and weird. I hated it, tactically, and I didn't have any immersion.

And forget tactically targeting one creature at a time when there's like 10 kobolds for TOTM

[stoic haven]

I was Astral self monk witth expertise in athletics for grappling and eldritch claw tattoos for range

[serene jolt]

I can understand dipping out of a combat if your character would value self preservation. But only if that character knows they will all most likely die.

I've done it. Sometimes a lost cause is a lost cause and 3 deaths is better than 4.

[stoic obsidian]

Did you not scroll up?

[fickle heart]

You should suggest the concept of "range bands" to your DM, as it actually allows semi-complex combat in TotM.

[serene jolt]

Like an absolute last minute decision of 'everyone is at 3 HP, no one can heal, there are still many monsters on the battlefield'.

I did scroll up, I'm just pointing something out.

[knotty vine]

It’s online

[stoic obsidian]

That makes, but not walking back to return a item during combat doesn’t

[fickle heart]

Oh, I should probably explain range bands, then. They don't require a grid.

[serene jolt]

Dipping in the middle of combat is silly imo, especially because they just wanted to do something mundane.

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, that why I be angry or perhaps miffed

[stoic haven]

No, he did it for a quest, and we failed, and had a whole hour before this fight that we could've retried to return this crown, but we gave up, and as soon as combat started, he dipped again

[crimson gulch]

Dipping in the middle of the game Is a symptom of huge issues at the table

[serene jolt]

Yeah valid. I've only ever left party members behind once. It was a terrible party wipe situation. 3 people were down. I sent my familiar to cure wounds one of them to help them dip, and then I dipped myself. They didn't make it out though. Only like 2 people made it.

... Illithids are NASTY. That's all I'll say about that.

[marble lion]

Dok i think they meant dipping, not dipping ingame

[serene jolt]

OH-

[marble lion]

As in walk away from the dnd

[stoic haven]

No, they dipped ingame

[serene jolt]

Ohhh I see now. I'm so sorry xD That's awful

[inland steppe]

I once encountered an illithid (before knowing what it was irl) and I made a CLUTCH arcana check to know that it was a little illithid worm guy that the tentacle thing was offering me

[marble lion]

I think urizt means outofgame while you mean ingame hmm

[stoic obsidian]

Bad either way

[river vector]

you would have taken what the spooky monster was offering you?

[fickle heart]

A TL;DR for range bands:

Every target or place is in one of the following range bands compared to you. When you move normally, you can move from one range band to another and take an action, or move and take your action to move two ranged bands worth of distance. Certain things like Difficult Terrain may require your move and action to move from one band to another.

Close

The Close range band allows melee combat to be engaged in.

Near

The Near range band allows ranged combat, but it's risky.

Far

The Far range band is primarily for ranged combat.

Distant (Optional)

The Distant range band is for things that would generally be seen as outside the normal area of combat, and very few abilities (if any) need to affect things in this band.

Tah-dah, complex gamestate but easy to parse theater of the mind combat.

[stoic obsidian]

Wow that simple

[knotty vine]

The dm also has this semi cool rule where uh

Like if an ally is in a fireball they take no damage

But apparently if we are actually trying to harm each that’s fine

[stoic obsidian]

So it like orcs are in close band, but the near band can’t be attack unless you move to it

Makes sense

[knotty vine]

Think I still prefer maps if thinks like houses and cover are gonna be in play

[fickle heart]

Just for the record, range bands aren't this unique new rule, and they're more of a generalized TTRPG concept that are used to great success in some TTRPGs, though they tend to be used most often in games where distance is semi-arbitrary or so high that it loses meaning.

[stoic obsidian]

I love learning

[knotty vine]

Especially when the dm does shit like what I call “teleporting enemies”

[stoic obsidian]

But yeah useful if theater of the mind happens

[fickle heart]

It's less about invalidating maps and more about allowing tactical theater of the mind if theater of the mind is necessary for some reason.

[stark arch]

so session 0 DM rols a d20 20. asks me does that hit. and i response like nope 😄

[knotty vine]

Yeah but when the dm is also as smart as a pile of rocks

[hidden spindle]

Because they can~ ring a ding ding

[marble lion]

Lil jokester

[knotty vine]

Like for example he describes all the bug bears as being on the ground I decided to climb on the roof and he said “one of them is gonna melee attack you” I obviously asked how when I was on the roof and somehow one of the enemies appeared on the roof

I was not aware the bug bear could teleport

[stoic obsidian]

….. sound like you taking advantage of a new dm

[marble lion]

Cant the bugbear just move up or there was a stealthing one?

[eager marsh]

If you can climb then a big bear can climb

[marble lion]

Stealthing on the roof is pretty normal

[knotty vine]

He couldn’t have described it doing so?

[fickle heart]

Funny enough, this would actually be solved by range bands.

[eager marsh]

That’s a separate shortcoming and just more reason I refuse to play theatre of mind

[knotty vine]

Nor did he say it “stealthed”

[stoic obsidian]

Oh yeah, do you know the term vent persona?

[stark arch]

qeustion how is the inistiative of a character calcuated ??

[fossil hollow]

Dexterity check

[knotty vine]

It’s just your dex

[stark arch]

so if its -1 my insistiative is - 1 ?

[knotty vine]

Indeed

[fossil hollow]

yeap

Unless you have Alert or something else

[fickle heart]

For example:

If the combat is on the ground and you want to get on a Near roof, it would be one range band away BUT the range band would be Difficult Terrain to climb, so you'd need to spend your action and movement to get to it unless you could climb natively. If you can climb natively, you just need to expend movement.

[stark arch]

so if i role 1 its be 0 ?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[knotty vine]

I was a dhampier

[fickle heart]

Then it's a single range band and the only way enemies can get to you and attack is if they also have similar climbing capabilities.

[knotty vine]

Then why did the “bugbear” not have to roll for climbing or stealth for me to not notice him

Hence my point “teleporting enemies”

[fickle heart]

Because the DM isn't running theater of the mind efficiently, I assume. That's kinda the point of tools like range bands.

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah sounds like it

[pearl hedge]

ok i guess

[fickle heart]

One of the fundamental things that seemingly makes range bands work well is that it provides a very intuitive framework of distance in theater of the mind so that there aren't surprises like teleporting enemies, as you said.

[knotty vine]

He also just throws “random” traps at us where it’s just “does this hit your ac” “you take damage” and when I tried to use my reaction to REDUCE the damage he said no

Literally incompetence at its finest

[fickle heart]

To be clear, I'm not necessarily trying to defend your DM, just say that there are indeed ways to make TotM work without being frustrating.

[stoic obsidian]

Have you talk to your dm about it?

[knotty vine]

Multiple times

I literally have to scream at him for him to listen for even a second

[fickle heart]

I'd just leave, at that point.

[stoic obsidian]

Then it might be time to leave the table, and look for a new one, and screaming doesn’t help

[fickle heart]

If you are at the point where you have to yell at your DM, the relationship has broken down enough where it's not conducive to anyone getting their needs met.

[swift spade]

Looking for a game to join. Im a fairly new player.

[woven flint]

Also, In general, yelling is never the right thing to do, if you approach a situation calmly and the dm doesn't listen to you, message them about it privately or if it's an ongoing issue just leave

[lyric viper]

Check out #find-a-game !

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, because no one like being yelled at

[knotty vine]

Oh and don’t even get me started on the inconsistency

[pearl hedge]

@knotty vine @woven flint today i split an ooze in two with a single arrow (crit with max stealth attack dmg)

[knotty vine]

That’s interesting

[pearl hedge]

no it was pretty cool

[knotty vine]

Tokii doesn’t even remember me

[woven flint]

I do apologize, but uh... why was I pinged? Lol

[pearl hedge]

i thought it was cool ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven flint]

I don't talk to people much outside of the server

[knotty vine]

Check your dms goober

[woven flint]

I do, I usually just don't respond

Not to be rude, but because I'm always on to the next thing

[fossil hollow]

This is not the place to randomly ping people

[knotty vine]

Dang

I’m cooked

[woven flint]

I'll ping you when I please, Timothy!
(Joking)

[knotty vine]

Who

[woven flint]

He's Ti-Moth

[knotty vine]

Hey

[fossil hollow]

you can always ping me lmao

[woven flint]

Good boy. (Joking)

[knotty vine]

Can you get in my book now

[fossil hollow]

no, im currently dying to a d6 slime

[knotty vine]

How are you always doing something fiend…

[woven flint]

Skill issue

[fossil hollow]

what else am i supposed to do

[marble lion]

Can i be the slime

[knotty vine]

Can you at least come to my birthday party

[marble lion]

I wanna sit in on a dnd session and play an ooze sidekick

[fossil hollow]

im trying, but the party keeps killing the tiny d4 slimes

[knotty vine]

Good its next Sunday

Don’t be late

[fossil hollow]

i have studies

and an event on the morning

[knotty vine]

You disappoint me to no end fiend

[marble lion]

how is an honest witch meant to enslave people when they are always busy

right?

[fossil hollow]

i failed my first death save

[fossil hollow]

Look, i still have to help out at the temple

[rough basalt]

Use a simulacrum

Be in two places at once.

[loud tendon]

This is not a roleplay channel, can we please rein in the random chatter and talk d&d

[crimson palm]

How about, that one time our party's changeling ranger gave a doppelganger posing as him, an identity crisis?

This happened on a modded bg3 playthrough I was doing

One's gotta love the disguise self's utility

[rotund thunder]

whenever I apply to be a player I have no idea to reply to the "what are your expectations for the DM" section

like, I'm not expecting my DM to do anything other than run the game and help us all have fun

[knotty vine]

I don’t think any of us can help you anwser that

[crimson palm]

I mean, something I find important is if the Dm is having Fun too

[fossil hollow]

could be more specific by what you mean helping have fun

[crimson palm]

But, each person has their own view of this

[rotund thunder]

literally just, facilitating a fun game, I guess?

Anyways, I think I can come up with something, just had to type it out to folks to get it out there

[hushed mason]

I just got attacked by a rooster. Those things could definitely take down a commoner.

[torpid hound]

Why isn't my /looking-for-dm being submitted in #looking-for-dm ?

[crimson palm]

... excuse me? Was it a big bird or an fallen structure?

[crisp lake]

did you DM it to the bot?

[crimson palm]

Oh no

[hushed mason]

It was a bird named Little Jerk, who is turning out to be a big jerk.

[torpid hound]

Direct message?
I did the command

[crisp lake]

and then filled out the form?

[late bolt]

im not into D&D at all, but my dad was when he was a kid and ive got a ton of vintage books and stuff, i couldn't find any marketplace servers to list any of this stuff, but i was just wondering if i could do that here, since i didnt see any rules againsts it but from what i understand this is more oriented towards the actual playing of D&D

[torpid hound]

Yes

[crisp lake]

and then clicked submit?

[late bolt]

(not even sure this is the right channel to ask lmao)

[crisp lake]

if yes, you might just need to try again

[glass granite]

Like for the books?

[crisp lake]

What is it? (also hi junior)

[late bolt]

ye hes got a ton of the old playing books and stuff that he wants to sell

[torpid hound]

I think so

[late bolt]

i just figured its easier to sell it here rather than hoping someone finds an ebay listing

[glass granite]

Ah so you want help trying to sell them? Yeah I dunno of any.

[crisp lake]

ope, sorry for the ping

[late bolt]

yea just like a marketplace or smth

[glass granite]

Advertising outside of the #dnd-advertisements channel ain’t allowed, but i recommend asking #moderator-support

[late bolt]

got it, thanks so much

[glass granite]

Good luck!

[pearl hedge]

@glass granite @crisp lake one of my teammates failed all 3 death saving throws

[glass granite]

Got revivify?

[crisp lake]

Then they're dead unless you can revive them

[pearl hedge]

No... and on session one

[glass granite]

What level?

[pearl hedge]

he got eaten by a gigantic slime

[glass granite]

Youch

[pearl hedge]

we are level 1

[serene jolt]

Are you hoping the DM will be hosting weekly? Biweekly? Monthly?

Do you expect the DM to follow the rules as written 24-7 or do you like rule of cool DMs?

Do you like a DM who runs lots of combat? (Like just about every session has combat.) Or more roleplay/story building? Or a good mix?

There are lots of ways to answer this question. It's not a question for picky people to answer or anything, none of it will be taken offensively, it's just so the play styles of you and the DM matches up for a good time!

[glass granite]

Ah yeah that’s relatively common then. Level ones fold like wet tissue

[rotund thunder]

Ahhh that makes more sense, I honestly didn't understand the question whenever I'd see it

[pearl hedge]

but we killed it because our sorcerer casted endoleech that we found. 5d6 cold damage (18), slime was killed thank god

[serene jolt]

No one had spare the dying or anything?

Or was he trapped inside the slime?

[pearl hedge]

he couldn't reach my teammate in time

he was trapped inside the slime

[serene jolt]

Ahh that sucks. Tis the way of level 1s. It's a rough level to balance encounters.

[pearl hedge]

and i was unconscious inside the slime

[pearl hedge]

our DM did say this campaign was going to be tough. add that as well that we lost two people from 5 to 3

[crimson palm]

Why are you talking to me alfiz? I vividly recall you weren't fair dhring the first game we played together

[serene jolt]

That's why I either don't start games at level 1, or I do but I make sure combat encounters are insanely beatable. I hate killing people at level 1.

[pearl hedge]

i dont want him to reroll a new character.. i feel like the dm should take pity and have his character revived

[crisp lake]

I asked why you said oh no, that's it. Also wdym unfair?

[tall delta]

Ok so the delvers claws from bigbys giants book how balanced are they on a 13th level monk

[pearl hedge]

also we're probably going to level up next session

[glass granite]

That’s his and the DM’s decision, so you’ll have to wait and see

[pearl hedge]

yeah that's true, but i did really like his character.. even the dm said he liked him

[serene jolt]

Also it's DnD. Sadly, it happens.

[torpid hound]

@crisp lake Tried again and it worked

[crisp lake]

Yeah, characters die. That's just how it goes

[serene jolt]

The dice tell the story most of the time. The DM and players just direct it. If that was the way the dice rolled, then it is what it is.

[crimson palm]

You skipped two turns during the fight in order to let one of the monsters attack without a care

[glass granite]

If the DM revives the characters some may feel there’s no stakes

[crimson palm]

Coincidentally, it was right when I informed you about one of them having disadvantage on their attacks

[torpid hound]

Animate the Dead to make him a skeleton, trust

[rough basalt]

It'd take my heart out of the game if i was revived for no reason no strings attached by the DM

[crisp lake]

I skipped an enemy turn, accidentally

i don't see how that's unfair

[crimson palm]

I find it hard to believe this

[crisp lake]

Let's just end this discussion, no need to clutter up this channel and you ghosted the campaign anyway

[torpid hound]

What if you lose EXP?

[crimson palm]

I left because of your unfair skip during combat

[glass granite]

They’re level one, and some tables run milestones anyway. Plus having a power difference isn’t fun for a lot of parties

[crimson palm]

I am fine with ending it here, anyway

[sharp island]

Hey guys

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup!

[pearl hedge]

luckily he didn't take the curse that returns his skeleton to the three headed skeleton guy after he dies.. but it would have given him a +1 on strength and con for 24hrs

[sharp island]

Yeah doing good
Just needed help with my character (in which i should've done in charcter discuss)

[glass granite]

Mhm, ya should go there

[rough basalt]

Losing XP I think would be viable in older dnd or an XP based westmarch

But I think generally if a character dies in 5e they should only come back with some kind of price

Whether that's a spell slot and material components of Resurrection spells, a scroll with one of such spells, paying an NPC to resurrect, or some deal with an entity.

[knotty vine]

I see

[fickle heart]

Could go for modifier affecting how many times you can be revived, a la 2e.

[knotty vine]

Kinda insane if you have to be revived more times

[fickle heart]

Oh, oops, it wasn't modifier. It was CON score.

You lose 1 CON when revived successfully.

[knotty vine]

The dm quit after I talked to him about cheating 🥀💔

Well that freed up my Thursday

[swift wren]

Never cheat. We play the dice game to hear the clicky clacky. Best, always roll in the open.

[potent vector]

Ykw, in 2024 that almost seems kinda fair. Since past 20 you're are allowed to get infinite feats, one of which is literally a +2 feat past 20. (Helps add more consequences to death)

[knotty vine]

There was one session where the enemies didn’t roll a single number below 15

[swift wren]

Do it in the open to show dominance.

[sharp island]

Hey guys

[knotty vine]

And he got 3 nat 20s back to back somehow

[swift wren]

Chances are 1:8k right there

[sharp island]

Im so close to finishing my charcter
(Thank god I chose a Westmarch rp)

[fickle heart]

You also have to make a check to be revived in 2e lol

[knotty vine]

He had disadvantage and then someone used SB and he still said “nat 20” but he was rolling “irl”

[mighty wharf]

Is there a way to inflict exhaustion or some other kind of effect for a wizard that doesn't inflict damage? Maybe something with drowning?

Looking for something to combo with Tasha's Hideous Laughter

[hollow moat]

In case anyone is wondering how it’s goin in this session, my robe of stars has disintegrated, as did another players Vorpal Sword 😅 we just entered battle RIGHT after that

[stuck shuttle]

How the heck did you get a robe of stars and vorpal sword to disintegrate 😭

[knotty vine]

Vorpal sword is kinda mid

[hollow moat]

An aging spell, dm rolled to see what would happen 🥲

[knotty vine]

I guess it is a little better in 24 since creatures have flat out resistance to physical damage

[deep anvil]

Guys i filled out an application for a campaign, wish me luck aaa

[glass granite]

Luck had been wished

[eager marsh]

Sorry I’m not risking Wish Stress for you I don’t even risk it for me

[lilac needle]

Complete bullshit, that’s how
(I’m in the same campaign as them)

[hollow moat]

The pain we’re in rn 😭

[lilac needle]

It’s so fun

[hushed mason]

So I went to my FLGS to buy the DMG... and not only did they not have it, but the MM they had was a 2014 edition. Le sigh.

I tried.

[eager marsh]

Did you ask them to order more copies with the intent you will buy it?

That’s usually an option depending how they handle stocking for books

[torpid hound]

How on Earth did one of my friends create a High Elf Paladin with Guidance, Prestidigitation and Healing Word?

[glass granite]

Le sigh^2

[glass granite]

Magic initiate likely

[crimson gulch]

Magic initiate cleric as an origin feat and high elf cantrip presty

[eager marsh]

Quite easily basically

[glass granite]

Mhm

[hushed mason]

I did not. They were hiding in a side room talking to someone else. My interaction skills were all used up talking to someone on the sidewalk outside.

[torpid hound]

Meant to say Sacred Flames instead of Prestidigitation

[eager marsh]

Damn. Imagine being an introvert

[glass granite]

That is weirdly relatable

[crimson gulch]

Also very possible

[torpid hound]

What about Healing Word?

[fossil hollow]

Magic Initiate Cleric

[eager marsh]

That’s still magic initiate

[glass granite]

Wait three cantrips?

[torpid hound]

But Magic Initiate gives you cantrips not spells

[eager marsh]

You get two cantrips and a lv1

All of which are spells

[fossil hollow]

it gives you 2 cantrips and one level 1 spell

[torpid hound]

Ah got it

[glass granite]

None from the wizard spell list?

That’s…weird

[torpid hound]

Prestidigitation is from High Elf

[glass granite]

I thought you said sacred flame

[torpid hound]

Sacred Flames and Guidance is from Magic Initiate

[torpid hound]

I think he's using the Cleric spell list version

[glass granite]

Not a thing for high elf

[eager marsh]

Yea that’s two cantrips from Magic initiate

[torpid hound]

(From Acolyte)

[crimson gulch]

Read the feat

[eager marsh]

His high elf cantrip was never mentioned

[glass granite]

Oh yeah mb I’m blind

Yup this is just magic initiate

[torpid hound]

High Elf automatically gives you Prestidigitation
I hate having to spell that word every time

[glass granite]

I abbreviate it to Presti

[eager marsh]

Yes I know. You corrected the question about that being something else

[fossil hollow]

Presti is the common abbreviation

[torpid hound]

What's the Orcish abbreviation??

[fossil hollow]

the what

[glass granite]

Pun on “common”

[fossil hollow]

oh.

[eager marsh]

‘Funny magic hands’

[torpid hound]

That's Mage Hand

[fossil hollow]

You mean Funny Weird Boiz Trick

[eager marsh]

No that’s ’funny magic hand’ because there’s only one

[fossil hollow]

waaagh

[torpid hound]

My character's an Orc Fighter and one of my friends is said High Elf Paladin. What else do we need?

[fossil hollow]

anything else fits in that party

[glass granite]

Probably a wisdom or int based character maybe? Need is a strong word

Hm…
Monk

(Totally unbiased)

[torpid hound]

I think we need some offensive spellcasters
Maybe WIzard?

[glass granite]

I’d just say let the other players choose whatever they wanna play.

[torpid hound]

I tell one of the players that the Wizard can summon a Dragon
Bam, they wanna play as it

[glass granite]

I mean, so can a ranger. And you can consistently ride on that

And this is by level 3

[lament shuttle]

Why can't sorcerers wear armor? I understand they have the spell mage armor which is good enough but I still don't understand why regular armor is a no. Is there a lore reason or anything???

[glass granite]

Same reason wizards don’t

They never learnt to (though mainly balancing)

[fossil hollow]

cant get armor training and spell training at the same time

[eager marsh]

In older editions wearing armor used to impose a percentage chance that any spell cast automatically failed even if you had proficiency in the armor. Very few classes allowed you to ignore that condition. The ‘not allowed at all’ rule in 5e is just a simplification of that old rule

Armored casting was one of the trademark features of Duskblade my beloved who will never live again

[glass granite]

The more you know

Thanks for teaching me
You learn smt new every day!

[eager marsh]

Mithril armor would reduce an armors spell failure chance by a flat amount. I think 20% or so? Adamantine used to give flat damage reduction of 3 against everything iirc

[fickle heart]

Even earlier, you had stuff just...fail.

[eager marsh]

Basically it was just arbitrary rules to preserve the class fantasy for one reason or another

[fickle heart]

As all rules are, alas. I'm much more of a fan of those types of restrictions.

[lament shuttle]

Those answers make sense to a point. I do still find it weird that sorcerer is seemingly the only one who can't wear any armor while other casters like cleric and druid can. It's just a bit confusing to not have my character with actual armor, just a spell as I usually play druids and sometimes cleric

[glass granite]

Wizards also can’t

[eager marsh]

Old knight armor is actually significantly more flexible and mobile than people ever assume but the somatic components are ‘too complex’ to do in armor

[fossil hollow]

Sorceror and Wizards dont get armor

Warlocks get Light at base

[glass granite]

Druids in 2024 can get medium if they choose to be a Warden at level 1

[eager marsh]

Druids and clerics have the propaganda power of being divine casters which comes with unfair privilege like armor imprinted holy symbols as a focus

[glass granite]

Clerics get either medium or heavy
Bards get light