dnd-discussion

[fossil hollow]

in the case of the conditions, it gets rids of all actions

[burnt valley]

Its funny punishing overconfident martials

[rough basalt]

Maybe Crawford should've clarified better for his evil condition. As an evil person with class, I like my belief. /j

[stoic haven]

interesting

[fossil hollow]

id rather get at overconfident casters

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#IncapacitatedCondition

[stoic haven]

I find it funnier with spellcasters

[fossil hollow]

ive hit ya with them conditions so much in titanic man

[rough basalt]

Hmm maybe I looked at 2014 incap last and forgot

[burnt valley]

Tbf tho, once you hand a martial any sort of magic item it'll get through to their head

[stoic haven]

and I used raulothim's as a main spell TvT

[stoic haven]

how did I forget

[rough basalt]

I love autoconditions.

[blissful ibex]

it's rather nice for use with Warcaster tbh

[fossil hollow]

eh? Its always been casters whove been the ones over their head if you give them a spell scroll or magic item

i saw a wizard literally almost soil his pants after getting 3 spellbooks

[rough basalt]

I just don't really give out magic items in my current campaign

[stoic haven]

I find Martials to be the ones more level headed (usually)

[burnt valley]

Huh, must be for homebrew campaigns then since I got the opposite problem in adventurers league

[iron moss]

hello

[rough basalt]

Mainly cause all the ones just lying around have been collected for safety purposes.

[fossil hollow]

i run like, 2 homebrew campaigns out of the 5 i have

[stoic haven]

My campaign has magic items losing their magic

[rough basalt]

So they're found in ruins and on stronger people from time to time.

[blissful ibex]

and that's when players should break outh the magic item crafting rules and get cracking

[fossil hollow]

thats just your local AL mindset

[burnt valley]

Danse Macabre Skeletons with Wands of Magic Missiles go brrr

[rough basalt]

My world doesn't have an eliminster to constantly throw weapons of mass destruction in random crypts

[meager fractal]

How come when I'm dming silvery barbs turns hits into a crit fail but when I'm playing the DM just rolls a second nat 20?

[fossil hollow]

bludgeoning damage hitting them skeletons:

[rough basalt]

Players
Remembering those rules
Hilarious. I find myself in great mirth.

[rough basalt]

Hilarious luck.

[blissful ibex]

Ikr >.>, imagine players actually reading the rulebook

[burnt valley]

Fair enough, they make these barely functional builds with intentional dump statting then covered with magic items and proceed to think they are top of the world

Y'know what

[rough basalt]

My players can't really carry much more than they have so crafting more items is an issue.

[stoic haven]

I've asked this before, but its been a while, sooo: What's the worst houserule or homebrew rule you have played with?

[burnt valley]

Im gonna make a dungeoncraft specifically to filter them-

[rough basalt]

Can long rest whenever you want.

[blissful ibex]

my AL character is basically a safety net for when things inevitably go wrong
also she actually remembers you can actually buy a cart and horse and speed up travel time O_o

[stoic haven]

yep, that sounds like that would throw off the balance

[burnt valley]

Banning subclasses mid-campaign

[rough basalt]

Crit fumbles is one I see quite a bit that I despise.

Oh yeah, making people lose powers for no reason.

[stoic haven]

that was a houserule or something the DM had to Fiat?

[empty thicket]

i would give some basic ones rarely, either behind paying or solving puzzles//encounters
OR
Some good ones behind hard tasks and side missions

[burnt valley]

My DM banned Chronurgy even tho i already played with it for a few sessions (I was new at the time)

[blissful ibex]

then they need to go and buy some pack animals and or a vehilce with some storage
that or be more efficient with their encumbrance

[meager fractal]

Yeah crit fumbles REALLY sucks.

[stoic haven]

did he allow you to switch subs?

[rough basalt]

They just haven't done much where magic items could be involved.

[meager fractal]

Why should a fighter, who specializes in making a lot of attacks, also be the one who fumbles the most

[rough basalt]

Yep the fighter needs a new horse.

[burnt valley]

Sorta?? They did say that we just follow the usual AL rules and then allowed Silvery Barbs for abit???

[burnt valley]

No, i had to get my character killed (my own choice since the build i made back then was pretty crap)

[stoic haven]

reminds me of my first campaign (my paladin kept "breaking his oath" because I wasn't able to stop my kleptomaniac and murder hobo party members, and I went the whole campaign without a subclass, nor any magic)

[rough basalt]

Tho one of their current plot hooks might lead to one of the most elusive magic items.

A bag of holding or higher rarity equivalent.

[empty thicket]

that is a context

[burnt valley]

Thats pretty nice

[stoic haven]

Worst houserule I have seen is a summons rule that I am still in the campaign that has it

[burnt valley]

Dungeoncraft Environmental Effect idea: All magic items are disabled

[empty thicket]

Fighter stand his ground, fighter dominate any duel and combat because HE must do it.
While others burn their spells you stand and fight, you dont bend the knee and stay down, a fighter must clench his teeths, spit the blood and still standing.
Now beside the epic explaining, its a class that is simple and versatile

[blissful ibex]

tbf, Chronurgy and Graviturgy wizard are kinda kept in their own little corner of AL

[blissful ibex]

yeeeaaaah, that's not how oaths work
that DM has some reading to do

[empty thicket]

You can go almost a lot of options, either range fighter, 2 weapons, tanky, etc. etc.
Its good with almost any weapon and armor and finally give you chance to flavor your character in your favorite way, either being a big guy that use big swords because funny can use 2 weapons, range, etc. etc.

[rough basalt]

I think in total they've gotten around 3 commons, 4 uncommons, 1 rare and 1 legendary.

[empty thicket]

That is a LOT!!!

[blissful ibex]

what's the rule

[stoic haven]

and thing is, I repented every day through this long and arduous laundry list of tasks, just to be kicked out of every town for 'vandalism'

[burnt valley]

That seems tame

[stoic haven]

I used chalk and small candles

[rough basalt]

Well they sold the rare, and a couple uncommons were lost with PCs that were removed.

Iirc

I know at least 1 was.
Been awhile.

[blissful ibex]

what tier?

[rough basalt]

They're level 4, about to be 5 so end of t1, cusp of t2

[burnt valley]

A legendary at T1?

[rough basalt]

Session 1 actually

[stoic haven]

Firstly, all summons or npcs take a BA to command (overrides what spell says), and secondly, you can only command 1 summon per turn, and thirdly, all the other summons stay put if they don't do anything (which I always assumed for Conjure animals if you didn't command them they would just dodge)

[blissful ibex]

a legendary in tier 1 is absolutely crazy

[rough basalt]

It's the item that's the background driving force of the game kinda

[blissful ibex]

ok, fair; if it's the mcguffin then that's another story XD

[rough basalt]

Unintentionally yeah

[iron moss]

hello<

[stoic haven]

ello

[rough basalt]

It's the Deck of Many Things

[blissful ibex]

in a 14' or a 24' campaign?

[rough basalt]

A PC got donjon'd so one PCs endgoal is saving them

[stoic haven]

'14

[blissful ibex]

okay, that makes a bit more sense why they're so strict on summons then
still a wild rule

[rough basalt]

So they're getting powerful enough to get more info about the deck, how to get to where the Donjon prison is, and strong enough to get there and back.

[stoic haven]

then, dm has a npc do summons, is able to command all of them, free acttion

[rough basalt]

Which leaves a lot of openness for other stuff to occur

[stoic haven]

said it was for smoothness of play. Just say they all act right after me and they all take the same action if able, good to go

[burnt valley]

Oh oh no

[blissful ibex]

honnestly that's basically the expected rate; maybe a bit slow for commons for the cusp of tier 2.
per the 24' DMG, by the end of tier 1, the party should receive 6 commons, 4 uncommons, and 1 rare in total

[rough basalt]

This is based off the top of my head

The rare and legendary are the ones I can remember.

[vale seal]

Does anyone know what would happen if a race like tortle and say halfling bred? Like what would the child look like

[rough basalt]

I don't think they're compatible

[vale seal]

Shame

[rough basalt]

Generally the species that are too "different" from more-humany humanoids are exclusive iirc

[vale seal]

Oh so humans and halflings could breed but anything that isn't humanoid cant

[rough basalt]

Well isn't human-like humanoid.

Tortles are Humanoids but they're Humanoid Turtles

[icy needle]

Is it possible for gold dragons to have kobolds serving it

[vale seal]

Oh yeah like mammal humanoid

[rough basalt]

Ye, tho it'd probably be more of a volunteer kinda situation

Golds are goody twoshoes in most settings

If it's Eberron or any world that functions like Eberron when it comes to Dragon's they could have kobolds as "servants"

[rough basalt]

Yep. If it looks humanish, it can probably be with humans or others that are humanish

[icy needle]

Even nighthags?

[rough basalt]

Humanoids

[icy needle]

Asking for a friend

[worn lagoon]

forgotten realms has a historically significant morally dubious gold dragon king

[icy needle]

Oh nvm fiends

[rough basalt]

There's exceptions to the rule sometimes

[vale seal]

Now what about stuff that don't look like humans like harengons and tabaxi? Are they compatible

[rough basalt]

Nope

Same case as Tortles

[vale seal]

Dragonborn and kobold have got to be compatible tho

[worn lagoon]

nope

[rough basalt]

Dragonborn can't mate with anyone else

[barren panther]

You just destroyed a million bards

[vale seal]

Well I'll be damned

[rough basalt]

Dragonborn aren't born from Dragons in that way

[worn lagoon]

no risk of children, what's not to like

[hidden spindle]

Bards can pick up Reincarnation & Arcanist Magic Aura

[worn lagoon]

same goes for githyanki

[rough basalt]

Dragons can polymorph into species to mate with that species but the result will be a half dragon

[icy needle]

Haven’t played but the githyanki there’s a main character in baulders gate 3 that’s a female githyanki right?

[worn lagoon]

yeah

she cannot get pregnant or lay eggs

[icy needle]

Planning on buying that game at some point

[twin bison]

Can my character be offspring of this race mixing?

[rough basalt]

Players can't play halfdragons officially

[worn lagoon]

some draconic sorcerers happen this way, but for pc draconic bloodline people generally assume the ancestor is distant

[twin bison]

But unofficially 😏

[lament sapphire]

Flavor wise, sure but not with standard rule set. Mechanically, definitely not with the standard rule set.

[icy needle]

I wish you could I wonder if there’s stats for half dragons made up somewhere my old dm let one of our players play as a kobold

[rough basalt]

Kobolds aren't halfdragons

[worn lagoon]

good ol' zindar, gold half-dragon sorcerer is not exactly stronger than a pc sorcerer

[lament sapphire]

But they aren't humanoids anymore either... 😏

[rough basalt]

Just cause you're of a creature type doesn't mean you're half anything or whatnit

[karmic pendant]

Playable kobolds still are and there a few playable species that aren't humanoid

Stat wise

[lament sapphire]

I don't think I can argue with that. Yes the playable ones count as humanoids.

[rough basalt]

They're continuing towards different creature types for stuff

Like new Kalashtars are aberrations

If they ever reprint Aaracokra they'll probably be elementals

[icy needle]

Jarnathan 🗣️

[karmic pendant]

I would expect genasi to count as that but aaracokra being elementals sounds cool

[rough basalt]

Genasi probably as well

[keen kestrel]

Genasi are fairly close to elementals anyway

[elder jetty]

Just curious... if i cast Enlarge on a huge elemental i summoned, what hit dice does it gain when attacking?

specifically a Huge Earth Elemental

[fair summit]

Nothing in Conjure Elemental or the Earth Elemental stat block mention any additional benefits from the creature being bigger, so all Enlarge is gonna do is add the usual 1d4 bonus to its damage with melee attacks

[elder jetty]

1D4?!

aww man! Thank you

[hushed mason]

I'd keep asking around. in 3.5, there would be a difference.

[elder jetty]

I'm playing in a 5E campaign

[worn lagoon]

enlarge is generally a highly disappointing spell if you aren't using it for some oddly specific moment

[hushed mason]

I understand that. It just feels like there should be a better answer. But maybe that's the whole 'granular' issue.

[iron herald]

My party likes turning me into Godzilla with it because I can turn that into 6d4 with advantage on every attack on an action surge turn. Also I have a belt of giant strength so advantage is always nice there.

[burnt valley]

Let players use the Oversized weapons rules

[worn lagoon]

i feel like there's a lot else that i'd rather be doing with my concentration above lv11

but it's cool that you had fun with that

wait where are you getting the advantage on every attack from

[iron herald]

It depends on the fight of course, but I'm the party's main damage dealer most of the time (or at least until more recent levels), so we try to maximize those action surge rounds.

The dip into Paladin for some extra dice and radiant on all damage sometimes results in some great rounds.

The advantage is from Samurai's Fighting Spirit.

[iron moss]

hello

[blissful ibex]

poor damage spell, surprisingly useful utility

[worn lagoon]

yea

[iron moss]

How's it going?<

[blissful ibex]

Used it on a Druid who was wildshaped into a giant bat once so they could act as a living bridge, allowing us to cross a casm

[worn lagoon]

6d4 first turn and 3d4 on subsequent for an entire 3rd level spell slot and concentration though... it barely bypasses a fireball on a singletarget at the end of turn 3 on average

12d4 (30 avg) vs 8d6 (28 avg)

without AS it takes four rounds of full concentration and attacks connecting to get to the same point

[blissful ibex]

Had a 3rd level 2024 conjure animals do 88 damage in one turn the other day after tagging 4 of 6 potential targets

It was the most I've ever done in a single cast on any character if you discount the 570 in fall damage she did to a dragon and the 9 kobolds riding on it after knocking them out of the air from 160 feet up with sleet storm c:

tbf, you're moreso going to be comparing Enlarge/Reduce to like shatter, flaming sphere, or moonbeam

[worn lagoon]

oh wait enlarge is lv2

why did i think it was lv3

[blissful ibex]

on a level 4 fighter, that's 3 attacks per turn assuming light weapons, nick, and Dual Wielder
5 on their AS turn

[worn lagoon]

i'll compare it to scorching ray which is 21 on avg with the same spell slot

[blissful ibex]

still going to be low vs at level options but not terribly so

[blissful ibex]

average of 7.5/turn at 3d4 pur turn, so about 3 turns to break even

[iron herald]

That's fair, though with advantage on most of my attacks I do crit relatively often as well.

But the advantage on strength comes in handy too, because I've often grappled very large enemies into submission, including dragons.

Plus I don't think anyone in our party knows fireball, the druid casts enlarge on me.

[worn lagoon]

thats funny

[worn lagoon]

not that far off though if AS on the first turn its 2 turns

[blissful ibex]

and then you still have it up for however long the combat runs

[worn lagoon]

or until you get magic missiled

i think in a party with druid and fighter i'd have the fighter take the crusher feat and knock things into spike growth

[blissful ibex]

Not if you keep to full cover it doesn't

[blissful ibex]

that or grappler for advantage on attacks and hold them under moonbeam

[blissful ibex]

that's 4d10 DPR on the moonbeam + the fighter having advantage on their 1 attack per round
doubled as the druid can move the spell off and then back on the target's space

A creature also makes this save when the spell's area moves into its space and when it enters the spell's area or ends its turn there. A creature makes this save only once per turn.

[worn lagoon]

dao genie dip to knock more would be funny

[rancid elm]

Hi

[exotic sinew]

Going to be a stupid question but how is once per turn different to once per round

[blissful ibex]

so once your turn is over and it's the next person's turn, it's now a new turn and they enemy can take the damage again if any of the triggers that cause it occur

for example; a rogue can get sneak attack off on their turn, then lets say the enemy moves away on their turn and provokes an attack of opportunity and the sneak attack conditions are still met; at that point the ranger can get a second sneak attack in for that round because it is no longer the same turn as when the last use went off

technically, if you had a way to move that enemy out of and then back into the moonbeam for every enemy and party member's turn, it'd have to make the save for all of those

most effects are 'once per turn', meaning if you can somehow trigger the effect on another turn, you get to use it again

issue you run into are things like druid's Primal Strike, which only functions on your turn

[exotic sinew]

Wow my mind has been opened to new possibilities 🤯

[potent vector]

Monk Cheese Grater: Swiss flavor lmao

[blissful ibex]

it's why you want to read your spells, features, and abilities very carefully

because there's hidden uses for them like that if you're paying attention

[exotic sinew]

If you grapple someone can you turn on the spot and move them around that way or is it only if you physically move 5 ft

[blissful ibex]

technically, raw, you'd need to kind of drag/push them into it; but most DMs just let you spin the grappled target around you so long as you're not abusing it for like Spike Growth shenanigans or anything

[exotic sinew]

Ah okay that makes sense

[blissful ibex]

if you had to it's like 10~15' of movement at most

Either pull them out and walk them back in

or if that's not allowed;

• have them in on the corner
• move back to pull them out
• step next to them so there's an empty space above you
• walk up, dragging them along beside you

[pallid oracle]

hey is the "looking for players" thread gone? I went to channel guide and it looks like its been removed? how can I make a post xd

[glossy otter]

So, hows everyone doing tonight?

[astral fern]

I’m good

[turbid vessel]

been a long day but it's almost over so there's that

[astral fern]

Im so confused

[turbid vessel]

what's confusing you?

[astral fern]

I joined this trying to find a group to play with specially ones that speak English and I can use my higher level characters and i dont know where to look

[crimson gulch]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1070720656917938227

For all folks looking for groups this isnthe link

[pallid oracle]

thank youuuu

[noble pine]

I didn't understand saving throws how do those work

[barren panther]

something happens, you roll a saving throw to determine if you defend against it or not. They have proficiencies just like skills do

[undone rain]

Can a ranger mount their beastly companion?

Like goblin and worg

[pearl hedge]

essentially if you get downed or something happens to your character that threatens their life or forces them to make an action outside of their will, you will roll the corresponding skill save to see if your character succeeds.

[valid geyser]

its kind of opposite to an attack roll. Instead of rolling to beat an AC so you can hit, the enemy would roll to avoid the effect youre making, vice versa

[barren panther]

I think it depends on the size of the pc vs the creature. Goblin and worg might work but I believe RAW a warg might not be usable, unless it's like... a medium Worg instead of a large one

[pearl hedge]

also if you are dying you will have to roll saving throws to see if your character survives the wound that would've or is currently causing them to die. 3 success death saving throws you're alive. if you roll a 20, you come back up at 1hp. if you fail, you are dead

[undone rain]

RAW?

[barren panther]

rules as written

[pearl hedge]

rules as written

[undone rain]

Gotcha

[pearl hedge]

essentially whatever rules are written down for that enemy or condition etc whether it be in the PHB or otherwise

[undone rain]

Well im still keepin the worg. Goblins often have em as pets

Ima name em Fang

[barren panther]

I don't know the 2024 rules if they've changed at all but I believe in 2014, to mount a creature it has to be at least one size bigger than you and the creature has to be willing

so a small goblin on a medium worg if your DM allows would work

even though worgs are normally large

[undone rain]

Could make it so the worgs a bit smaller then most ig

[barren panther]

that's a conversation to be had with your DM. Primal Companions get their own statblock anyway, so if it's just flavor I'd probably allow it as a DM

[noble pine]

When a player can attack more then once during their combat turn do they roll to see if hit each time

[fossil hollow]

You need to be a Small creature to ride your Land of the Beast

[valid geyser]

yes

[undone rain]

And goblins are?

[fossil hollow]

They are Small yeah

[undone rain]

Then it could work. Altough a mount isnt always necessary but ey you never know

[barren panther]

the Land of the Beast is where you can find a Beast of the Land

[fossil hollow]

I got a player whose a gnome with a raptor Land of the Beast

[barren panther]

you got your words backwards 😉

[fossil hollow]

ugh, clearly im too tired for this shit

[undone rain]

So my goblin ranger has known his worg ever since it was a baby and has been taken care of it since he was like 13

Idk how long worgs live but i imagine about the same as a wolf

[noble pine]

How would you do combat for goblins riding something

[undone rain]

Idk same way you do it with horses

[pearl hedge]

this is circular logic that makes no sense

[barren panther]

ah I found it

A willing creature that is at least one size larger than a rider and that has an appropriate anatomy can serve as a mount, using the following rules.
Mounting and Dismounting

During your move, you can mount a creature that is within 5 feet of you or dismount. Doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your Speed (round down). For example, if your Speed is 30 feet, you spend 15 feet of movement to mount a horse.
Controlling a Mount

You can control a mount only if it has been trained to accept a rider. Domesticated horses, mules, and similar creatures have such training.

The Initiative of a controlled mount changes to match yours when you mount it. It moves on your turn as you direct it, and it has only three action options during that turn: Dash, Disengage, and Dodge. A controlled mount can move and act even on the turn that you mount it.

In contrast, an independent mount—one that lets you ride but ignores your control—retains its place in the Initiative order and moves and acts as it likes.
Falling Off

If an effect is about to move your mount against its will while you’re on it, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity saving throw or fall off, landing with the Prone condition (see the rules glossary) in an unoccupied space within 5 feet of the mount.

While mounted, you must make the same save if you’re knocked Prone or the mount is.

[barren panther]

it's a joke, Ti said "Land of the Beast" when the correct term is "Beast of the Land" so I was being silly with it

[pearl hedge]

i know you can jump off and use stomp etc. not really familiar with how mounts have worked, haven't used them yet.

[barren panther]

you're gonna have to talk to your DM about your Beast of the Land having been "trained to accept a rider"

if you summoned a little pony that would be a no brainer, haha

now I'm imagining a Goblin Cavalier and that sounds fun

[pearl spindle]

Playing dnd rn, we emptied a bag of holding full of loot. My friends got a few good things like a scorching ray helm and a deck of useless things, I GOT THE CROOK OF RAO. Dear god

[fierce trellis]

In Foundry, how do you enable optional class features?

[idle oar]

I'd suggest asking on the Foundry Discord server in the dnd5e channel there: https://discord.gg/foundryvtt

[barren panther]

good question, that might be a better question for a different channel

or that

[idle oar]

Yeah on this server #third-party is the channel for discussing 3rd party products, tools, and services (such as Foundry). But folks are best off going to a more direct source IMO.

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, Discords focused on said Services are more likely to have useful info on using said Service.

[undone rain]

Feels weird how dragonborns dont have darkvision

[feral fulcrum]

They already get some many other cool features. Not everything that's not human needs Darkvision.

[undone rain]

But darkvision

[hidden spindle]

As long as they have tails, I'm okay without Darkvision

[formal dove]

wondering if anyone has any homebrew magical temporal watch type of item or if one exists

[empty thicket]

they have too much stuff, even resistance to a type of damage and a racial feature that let them use an AOE spell its a lot

give it to some martials and they would obliterate a lot
Give it to some hybrids and too
Casters get a free backup spell with that

[feral fulcrum]

If you want it that bad, there is always the Eldritch Invocation that's Darkvision but Better.

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god... I just solod a banshee with my level 5 wizard. I ran a combat on my own, I didn't even get hit once...

[empty thicket]

Dark vision is okey, but not thaaaat good, i would most likely go with non dark vision characters so the immersion is better and the DM can use "Darkness" like a feature in the map

[mighty wharf]

I used ONE spell and completely ended this thing

[empty thicket]

peak

[mighty wharf]

Incapacitated it for a MINUTE

First turn.

[humble cairn]

Which spell?

[mighty wharf]

Tasha's Hideous Laughter

2014 rules.

[pearl hedge]

darkvision is nice but it is situational

and even then you can only see in shades of gray

[feral fulcrum]

The Humble Light Cantrip.

[mighty wharf]

Then just beat it to death with firebolt+magic stone every turn

[formal dove]

wondering if anyone has any homebrew magical temporal watch type of item or if one exists

[pearl hedge]

i know of one but it's more of an item used in combat than something that knows the time

it's somewhat related

[formal dove]

yeah thats what i meant lol

[pearl hedge]

it's called the clockwork amulet, you forgo a d20 roll to get a flat 10 on any roll. only can use once every dawn (once per long rest)

[mighty wharf]

I could ruin this banshee about 7 different ways. Phantasmal force, grease, the fact I'm a construct (immune to wail), web, 19 AC+5AC from shield and just tank it all

[humble cairn]

How are you using both of those in the same turn?

[pearl hedge]

yeah magic stone is a whole action

[mighty wharf]

Magic stone is a bonus action

[humble cairn]

Magic Stone only enchants the stone as a bonus action, you still need to use your attack action to throw it.

[pearl hedge]

only available to druid warlock and artificer though too

[mighty wharf]

Ok. My bad. I could have an unseen servant throw it and absolutely pelt this girl

[formal dove]

im looking for something that can slow / stop time for a short period

[humble cairn]

Like the Time Stop spell?

[pearl hedge]

yeah time stop

but that's like a 7-9th level spell afaik

i don't know if there is an item that can slow down or stop time completely

[mighty wharf]

I could recast hideous laughter and reroll it with chronal shift or use silvery barbs right as the spell duration ends

This spell is broken...

[humble cairn]

Does incapacitated 2014 prevent movement? I know in 2024 it doesn't.

[mighty wharf]

It's 2014 rules THAT WORKS

[pearl hedge]

@formal dove why do you need to know if there is an item that can do this? if we knew more maybe we could help

[formal dove]

yes but in an item

[mighty wharf]

It can move but it cant do anything amd hideous laughter makes it prone too (but it's immune)

My DM said he wouldn't run this encounter because it was too strong... and I just solo'd her.

[meager fractal]

nice

[mighty wharf]

THAT'S TERRIFYING

[pearl hedge]

i think your DM was right

[formal dove]

the party broke into an exotic magic item shop at the end of last session, so he said he can choose what we snatch within reason

[pearl hedge]

what level are you guys

[mighty wharf]

What was my DM right about?

[pearl hedge]

not wanting to run the encounter

i mean good for you! but idk if it was the right decision

[formal dove]

4

lol

[pearl hedge]

yeah.. i don't think your dm would enjoy you having a free time stop spell at level 4

uhhh maybe potion of invisibility? or hill giant's strength

[ivory cloud]

It really bugs me that the fiend warlock centers so much around fire

[crimson gulch]

Devils be like that

[mighty wharf]

He said it was because he thought it was unfairly strong... not because he thought I could solo it

[ivory cloud]

Like what if I wanted a pact with ooblex

[pearl hedge]

wait why does that bug you

[formal dove]

ive got a ring of invisibility already. what does hill giants strength do?

[feral fulcrum]

And i'm pretty sure a Time stopping watch would not fall in the realm of 'Reasonable' for most DM's

[pearl hedge]

ohhh so he allowed you to solo it but he said it was unfair

[crimson gulch]

Great old one?

[ivory cloud]

Because fiends cover both devils AND demons, and there’s practically 0 demons that are primarily related to fire

[ivory cloud]

Ooblex is a demon lord

[crimson gulch]

Oh thought you ment the ooze

[formal dove]

im a little man with big dreams

[feral fulcrum]

It does have an instant "Save or drop and start dying." Move, so if it won Iniative, well, good odds of instantly dying.

[pearl hedge]

gives you an increase in strength up to like a 21. but an item that allows you to stop time is incredibly unreasonable at level 4.

[formal dove]

yeah

[feral fulcrum]

And 1v1 Player Versus Monster Encounters are very....white room scenario. Everything that doesn't save falls victim to certain spells that instantly turn them into useless piles of hitpoints that can't fight back.

[pearl hedge]

i'm not a writer for WOTC but i see your point

[humble cairn]

So the tactical thing to do would be to retreat, through the floor if necessary, rather than sit there and take more damage.

[feral fulcrum]

Which is why you're almost never fighting Singular creatures.

[feral fulcrum]

Also Yugoloths, but Yugoloths are weirdos Or whatever they were called, I just know that there's technically a Third, Distinct Type of "Neither Devil, Nor Demon, Still Fiend."

[rough basalt]

Yeah there's a middle ground

[naive cedar]

Theyre the neutral evil ones

[mighty wharf]

Yeah... but it's a minute duration with concentration and firebolt has a range of 120 feet. It has 40ft hover speed, mine is 30ft, I think I could chase it down within 12 rounds and kill it while it's incapacitated...

[rough basalt]

Yep, completely individualistic

[mighty wharf]

My party DEFINITELY could

[ivory cloud]

I mean I get what they’re doing, fiends are often associated with fire, this didn’t come from nowhere, but like if I wanted to have a pact with Asmodeus or something then why is he giving me fire magic

[humble cairn]

It failed every saving throws for shaking that off?

[formal dove]

if u were a dm what rarity level would u think uncommon or rare

[mighty wharf]

Incapacitated doesn't have saving throws does it?

It just says incapacitated for the duration...

[pearl hedge]

uh a wondrous item for an item that can use TIME STOP on a whim

not even a rare or uncommon

[mighty wharf]

There's no continuous saving throw on the spell

[feral fulcrum]

Read the spell. Every time you deal it damage, or on it's turn, it gets to make a saving throw to shake the spell off.

[formal dove]

no not for the watch, i mean what type of item would u give us

[mighty wharf]

Oh ok

[pearl hedge]

which is usual for these types of spells

[feral fulcrum]

"At the end of each of its turns and each time it takes damage, it makes another Wisdom saving throw. The target has Advantage on the save if the save is triggered by damage. On a successful save, the spell ends." A very common tag on every concentration spell

Otherwise everything just gets screwed forever.

[pearl hedge]

ohh i would probably give you guys maybe one rare item, but more likely than not an uncommon item

[formal dove]

okay

[green stream]

hi guys

[pearl hedge]

hello

[burnt valley]

Cyric and Shar are underappreciated heroes

[humble cairn]

So you were skipping three chances for it to shake it off every turn.

[mighty wharf]

Yeah lol

Well now I DO want to find spells that just end encounters. One I'm thinking of is Suggestion [2024]. It doesn't have continous saves and I could just tell it to "become incapacitated" or "leave"

[feral fulcrum]

I feel like this happens every time someone goes "Yeah I tottaly soloed X at Y Level"

Outside of the times of it being an outright lie on something like reddit.

[burnt valley]

"Sit down and do nothing for 8 hours" is a valid command

[mighty wharf]

Yeah but that's obviously harmful in a fight isn't it? Telling it to leave and not come back IS a way to end the encounter... but that's really boring...

[feral fulcrum]

I actually like ending ecnounters against random mooks with Intimidation checks before they even begin.

[past blaze]

in 2024 it's been amended to be based on direct damage, not a nebulous definition of "harm"

[barren panther]

Shar huh? Are we talking about Forgotten Realms Shar?

[burnt valley]

As long as it doesnt do damage, still counts as "reasonable"

[burnt valley]

Yes

[barren panther]

oof ok

[burnt valley]

This is why "Choke yourself" is a valid command, it doesn't do any damage and only causes Exhaustion

[severe rampart]

Wait it is?

[mighty wharf]

What are the benefits to alarm versus magic mouth?

[cyan tide]

Is there still a character building section?

#character-discussion

[severe rampart]

#character-discussion

[cyan tide]

Found it ty lol

[severe rampart]

Ah man I echo'ed your words!

[feral fulcrum]

Alarm has a massive range that it will alert you from, silently. Magic Mouth can only make noises in a small range. Alarm also wakes you if you're sleeping automatically if it goes off.

[burnt valley]

RAW, yes lol

[mighty wharf]

Could I use alarm for scouting if I cast it on a bead and have a creature carry it? That was my plan with Magic Mouth.

[feral fulcrum]

It's a stationary thing, so, no, probably not.

[mighty wharf]

It only needs to be stationary when cast

[feral fulcrum]

It's cast on a Window, a Door, or an Area of 20ft. And Area's, doors, and windows, are generally not things one can carry around.

[mighty wharf]

Oh you're talking about alarm, not magic mouth

I do have Sentry's Rest and a familiar I could use for scouting though...

For magic mouth.

[feral fulcrum]

As you've said before, yes.

[mighty wharf]

It's a level 2 spell though and I want to take suggestion... that's the benefit to alarm...

[feral fulcrum]

If you're a Wizard, Spell Scrolls.

Alarm definitely doesn't do anything for scouting, as it's an Area Based warding spell. it enchants an area with an effect, it's not really Item bound. So it doesn't move.

[barren panther]

you'd probably want something more like scrying or sending

[feral fulcrum]

I mean a familliar by itself can share senses, and is good enough for scouting.

And then, you, controlling the Familliar from range...can just tell the party when your familliars eyeballs have seen

Scrying is also 5th level, and is strictly Person Based (And heavily penalized if you don't already know them, and have something that belongs to them.) So, honestly pretty horrible for most situations.

[pearl hedge]

well yeah of course. the spell can't force the person being casted on to die

[mighty wharf]

Thats 2014 RAW or 2024?

That sounds like 2014 wording

[barren panther]

good thing about being a Wizard is you can prepare different spells depending on what you're planning on doing that day

[pearl hedge]

alarm is good if you know your DM may interrupt your long rest or if you're scouting in one area and can be alerted to an enemy passing through another area

[feral fulcrum]

Well, yes, I'm aware. But we were discussing it's usage for the Explicit purpose of Scouting, generally of the "See what's up ahead." kind.

[pearl hedge]

ohhh i see okay. yes i wasn't aware of the current conversation

[feral ice]

Oh

[pearl hedge]

alarm can definitely be used in interesting ways though, generally

@feral ice so you're a fan of orin huh?

[feral ice]

Indeed, Bhaal's number 1 fan

[barren panther]

cool!

[pearl hedge]

have you done lots of durge runs

[burnt valley]

2024 RAW

2014 is ehh

[feral fulcrum]

Bhaal's not that good at his job.

[feral ice]

not even one had a good ending

[pearl hedge]

i'm sure you joined up with bhaal a lot and orin

[marble lion]

Ah yes the romance denied

Devs should have made orin a romance for dark urge

It would have been beautiful

[naive cedar]

Nah they should’ve made Gortash a romance

[naive cedar]

Omg ur my favourite girlfailure

[humble cairn]

Reminder that #baldurs-gate-3-spoilers is a thing.

I haven't finished the game, so ..

[rough basalt]

My tuesday game reminding me of my favorite bit of dnd lore. That in Dragonlance before the Krynn Gods abandoned the world, they'd kick out mages for getting too powerful.

[burnt valley]

Lol why

[rough basalt]

Originally it was cause Krynn characters capped at level 18 so they came up with a funny reason why

[junior rampart]

Hey is there a cleric subclass that hates the gods and is not about healing but death and suffering?basically the opposite of a peace cleric

[rough basalt]

Afterwards, I think it was if a Mage was powerful and was trying to do bad stuff to the world they'd get removed

[rough basalt]

Even the Death Cleric follows God's or an evil force of death.

[burnt valley]

They'll be moved to another crystal sphere?

[rough basalt]

Just kicked out

[burnt valley]

Ur-Priest

[rough basalt]

Vac banned as Valve would put it

[burnt valley]

Lol

[rough basalt]

You'd try to destroy the world and they'd just go "nah bro, you done" and send you to a different dimension

[burnt valley]

They'd probably be strong enough to just come back if they choose

[rough basalt]

Nah they'd be barred

[burnt valley]

"I would suggest going to Athas" - my suggestion to the Krynn Gods

[rough basalt]

If you tried, the best case scenario is they remove your magic

They ban you from spellcasting so you just an average joe

Or they just completely erase you from existence.

No death, no life, no afterlife, just gone as if you never existed.

[pearl hedge]

isn't that exandria exclusive or am i wrong

[burnt valley]

This is assuming what actually happens right

[burnt valley]

No it is from the Dark Sun setting

[pearl hedge]

ok then i'm mistaken

[rough basalt]

Krynn is an official dnd setting.
What you might be thinking is of the Kryn Dynasty from Wildemount on Exandria which is an Empire.

[pearl hedge]

yes i think that threw me off

[rough basalt]

For further clarification, the setting is called Dragonlance, Krynn is the planet.

[marble lion]

The lance dynasty of dragonmount

[rough basalt]

Dragonlance is a pretty fun setting.
Underused in 5e.

They'll probably be making a 5e Dragonlance setting book at some point.

Since iirc I think they mentioned at some point wanting to make more setting books like the FR ones.

[lavish flame]

Part of me worries that Shadow of the Dragon Queen is the 5e Dragonlance Setting Book

[mighty wharf]

I think I found one of the most broken spell combos ever...

[normal canyon]

Ok

[glass granite]

Microwave?

[mighty wharf]

Suggestion [2024] with Feign Death [2024]

[glass granite]

Oh?

[normal canyon]

Ok

[mighty wharf]

You can say "be willing to my next spell" and incapacitate them.

[normal canyon]

Ok

[mighty wharf]

What is your problem?

[quaint ether]

Yo

[hushed mason]

Hi!

[glass granite]

Wahzzup

[mighty wharf]

I guess with 2024 suggestion you can just tell them to leave but that's boring I want to kill this thing.

[hushed mason]

It snowed today. 😠

[glass granite]

I haven’t seen snow in ages. I’ve seen it twice my entire life.

[empty thicket]

i never touched snow in my life

[glass granite]

Yeah suggestion in 2024 is my favourite spell

[mighty wharf]

I'm debating on taking it over rope trick or phantasmal force.

[glass granite]

I would, personally

[mighty wharf]

Which one?

[glass granite]

Suggestion

[mighty wharf]

No which one do I replace

I have a limited amount of spells I can take.

Or web...

Restraining enemies isn't the most useful when my entire party is melee

They don't like to move either

[glass granite]

Restraining enemies is especially helpful with melee

But it doesn’t fit your style

[mighty wharf]

How? Isn't it just advantage buff? There's a million things I can do to do that

[glass granite]

Advantage buff is very helpful, especially for an AOE.

[glass granite]

I’d take it over rope trick

[mighty wharf]

Rope trick my DM might make me roll an ability check to climb the rope yeah

[glass granite]

I mean, there are climbing rules, so as long as it’s low enough you should be good

AKA 15ft or less

But yeah maybe not in combat and the like

I personally enjoy the utility and power of suggestion more

[mighty wharf]

Suggestion is so broken. I can just tell an enemy to become incapacitated for an entire hour.

[glass granite]

It takes two turns, two spell slots and it’s a save for suggestion , but yes that could be possible

[mighty wharf]

How does it take 2 turns?

[oak grotto]

It's a concentration spell and the opponent has to do the save with adv.

[glass granite]

It’s two spells

[oak grotto]

Wth you talking about?

[empty thicket]

"do a flip" and then they do it, if they fail they get unconscious and get emotional damage.
If they success they get people around distrcting it for either doing a random flip or for doing it so well

[mighty wharf]

I could just tell it to be incapacitated and then it is for the duration of my concentration. And that would be very hard to break.

[glass granite]

You can’t tell someone to have a condition, wdym?

[oak grotto]

Honestly if I was the DM in that situation I'd just have the guy lay down.

[empty thicket]

"hit your head against a wall" would work

[oak grotto]

They can't harm themselves.

[glass granite]

The DM may also rule that “obviously deal damage to the target”

[mighty wharf]

Incapacitated doesn't deal damage

[glass granite]

Was meant to Fracno

[mighty wharf]

And it says "to the best of the targets ability"

So they'd do what they can to make themselves incapacitated

[oak grotto]

"Shkill yourself". (Can't type that without being censored.)

[mighty wharf]

The DM would determine what.

[hushed mason]

Not if it causes damage

[glass granite]

For example?

[mighty wharf]

Like the other one said, "lay down and do nothing"

[glass granite]

(And again, a DM may rule that willingly getting hit repeatedly is “obviously does damage to the target”)
In that case cast command (grovel)

[oak grotto]

Can't imagine automatically killing the enemy with mind control being any fun anyway.

[glass granite]

It ain’t definitely RAW of course, so ask your DM how they’d rule that

[mighty wharf]

So there's this one specific enemy that my DM is debating on including, I want to make a show of power if he does. I might ask him to just to do it.

I've kind of told him I'm thinking of playing my character as a failsafe for my party

I wanted to do broken stuff and he was for it

[oak grotto]

One, that sounds like the exact opposite of fun. Two, you can't automatically kill enemies with mind control.

[mighty wharf]

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Not the end of the day.

[oak grotto]

I mean if you're all into it go ahead.

Just hope the players don't hate that as much as I do.

[mighty wharf]

My party just wants to beat up stuff.

And suggestion DOES specifically say you can tell a creature to "peacefully leave and not return" which is even more unfun and stupid.

Then they don't even get to bash a guys head in

[oak grotto]

Idk. I wouldn't feel great about one of my fellow players abusing the system and instakilling an enemy. But you do whatever.

Well, that's diff.

You did not get rid of the guy. The guy is still alive and he'll realize what happened.

[mighty wharf]

"and don't return"

Yeah it says that RAW, pretty stupid right?

[oak grotto]

The spell lasts for 8 hours. You can't brainwash NPCs completely.

[glass granite]

That’ll run out after the spell ends

[mighty wharf]

True.

[barren panther]

You gotta maintain concentration for 8 hours though don’t you

[mighty wharf]

That's why the feign death combo is cooler

[storm crow]

What's the broadest ready action you guys can think of?

Mine is "Whenever anyone other than me moves or acts."

[hot marlin]

That one doesn't work. First off, it could be argued to not be a distinction perceivable in-character, secondly it just makes you act immediately after your turn ends even if you accept it

[storm crow]

Well that's the point

it's to trigger a 2nd sneak attack

and you can always say "Whenever anyone other than me who i can see move or acts."

[barren panther]

I’m not following

[storm crow]

A really broad ready action trigger

The simplest one I can think of is "Whenever I see anyone move or act other than me"

and, since you don't have a vision cone in D&D or face a particular direction at all times, that would pretty much happen instantly as long as you can see the next person on the initative order

[barren panther]

Forgive me I, not used to playing rogue, how does that trigger a second sneak attack?

[vale sage]

Certain feats can do it

[storm crow]

So, if you have an enspelled weapon as thief rogue, you can use said enspelled weapon on a weapon cantrip such as booming blade or true strike

it'll allow you to use said spell as a bonus action, effectively letting you attack with your bonus action.

This leaves you free to ready your main action, and you can set the trigger to something broad

Say something like "Whenever I see someone move or act other than me, I use my readied action to attack." Sneak attack can only be done once per turn, but not once per round. So, this allows you to make another attack off your turn, landing sneak attack.

[barren panther]

Can’t the trigger just be “until I say so?”

[marble lion]

I was under the impression that a readied action can be taken whenever tbh until the trigger occurs, and you can still choose not to do it

[storm crow]

Maybe?

I dont think "Until i say so" is applicable

[hot marlin]

No it can't. The trigger needs to be something external that is perceivable by a character

[storm crow]

"Whenever I see someone move or act other than me, I use my readied action to attack." is the broadest trigger I can come up with that'll allow you to do so immediately

of course, it becomes absolutely useless if your enemy does not move or act

[barren panther]

Sure but if they see something amd it’s not a good idea in that moment to , you can keep holding

[storm crow]

but not quite, since your enemy just wasted a turn doing nothing.

[marble lion]

"I will ready a sword strike until the dreadknight enters the door"
11 zombies walk in and slaughter the villagers
"No, you can't swing. They arent't the dreadknight"

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah you can ignore the trigger

[marble lion]

Thats what i meant

[storm crow]

That's why it's important to have a broad trigger

[marble lion]

I don't think that's true

[storm crow]

Well, in some situations yes

[barren panther]

We’re playing with people here not coding, haha

[marble lion]

Exactly

Besides, consider the balance of it

You are giving up your action to take it later, not earlier

Deciding to forego the trigger and act early does absolutely nothing unfair

You are already going later than you could have

[storm crow]

Well

it does actually, if you have a spell readied

[marble lion]

I think an openminded approach to held actions is needed for a game I enjoy

[storm crow]

You'll lose the spell if the trigger doesn't happen IIRC

[marble lion]

If you have a spell readied, it is ready. I would allow it to be cast whenever

Unless you decide not to cast it I guess

[barren panther]

Unless you’re that deep in the rp that you’re willing to accidentally shoot an ally if they walk in the door first or something

[storm crow]

Yeah but you cant just do your ready whenever

you have to do it when the trigger happens, no?

[burnt valley]

I would have the trigger be more general like saying Undead instead of a specific undead creature

[barren panther]

Well ready”s kind of a gamble to begin with so that seems like a good trade off if that’s the case

[storm crow]

In my personal opinion, I would also probably allow it to be cast whenever

[marble lion]

It is specified in rules that you can decide not to react

[barren panther]

Right but I mean it’s a gamble in the sense that you lose an action if you decide not to

[marble lion]

Yes, not earlier
I think that's unfun though

[storm crow]

AND, in my personal opinion, I also think in some cases you should just still be able to use your ready even when the trigger doesn't happen, like for attacks and spells

[storm crow]

Yeah but if you choose to ignore the trigger you also dont do it that's the thing

[marble lion]

I meant using it early

It's not RAW but more fun, because you already lost most of your action economy for doing this

[exotic sinew]

In the case of a spell when you ready it you are already mid casting so I don’t see how you could cancel that without losing the action or spell slot

[marble lion]

Indeed

I mean I'd probably allow it but it's not RAW

To me, spells are only expended if they were fired

If someone starts finding some strong exploit due to this, I just say no

[exotic sinew]

If that was the case wouldn’t you always be able to have a fireball readied “just in case” like there is no consequence to doing that

[marble lion]

No because you also can't constantly have a crossbow bolt readied

I'm not sure if that's specified in rules but I think readied actions are specifically for combat

And that would precisely be something I wouldn't allow anyway if someone wanted to hold any sort of attack 24/7

Regardless of spell slot usage

[exotic sinew]

I think that’s the reasoning behind the way readying is ruled as though so that you have to be sure that’s what you want to be preparing

Like you can’t just chop and change it Willy nilly

[marble lion]

If someone wants to spend their turn holding a fireball, and then not fire it, that's their loss. It means they at most cast a cantrip bonus action that turn.

[exotic sinew]

A round in combat is 6 seconds I know we can do a lot in those 6 seconds but still we have to have some limits

[marble lion]

I don't see why the slot needs to be lost

[mighty wharf]

You lose the action at the end of rounds. I would assume since you didn't cast it, you wouldn't lose the spell slot.

[marble lion]

You do

[mighty wharf]

You do?

[marble lion]

In RAW you do but I don't see that being needed at all

[mighty wharf]

Me neither

Sounds like one of those RAW that would be homeruled away

[marble lion]

It's probably to make sure powergaming people don't say they hold a fireball 24/7

But I don't play with those people so I don't need the rule

[mighty wharf]

Yeah I like to powergame, but not to that level

[exotic sinew]

Again I personally think it’s there to add more “consequence” or “thought” to your readied action so you can’t just use them each turn “just incase” something happens

[marble lion]

But you can't just use them

[mighty wharf]

That makes sense.

[marble lion]

You lose your action, reaction, and bonus action spell options

[mighty wharf]

In all honesty I feel like otherwise you're hardly ever using the ready action for a spell.

[exotic sinew]

Holding an action however is different to readying an action

If you hold your entire turn that’s different

[marble lion]

You are moving, MAYBE doing some minor bonus thing, and then hold a spell you might not cast

[mighty wharf]

What does holding a spell mean?

[exotic sinew]

No no

[marble lion]

How is that not already punishing enough to discourage spamming it mindlessly?

[exotic sinew]

Holding turn, you can hold your turn and essentially change your order in initiative

[marble lion]

Ready action "cast spell xy"

[marble lion]

Holding a turn is not in RAW right?

I don't think it's a thing outside homebrew

[blissful ibex]

Nope, it's not RAW; Just held (readied) actions

[marble lion]

Specifically the ready action

Which costs your action, reaction

[glass granite]

Wait the Ready Action (when readying a spell) consumes the spell slots?

[marble lion]

I think so yes

[mighty wharf]

Apparently

[exotic sinew]

Isn’t holding a turn in raw?? That’s my bad

[marble lion]

I wouldn't rule it like that myself

[glass granite]

Me neither

Though I don’t remember it anywhere

[marble lion]

And it fits my immersion too
I just imagine the weave staying with the caster so no slots lost

[glass granite]

Lemme check the rules again

Ah you are correct

[barren panther]

I think holding your entire turn and changing initiative might be an older edition thing but I might also be wrong about that

[marble lion]

Shame I was hoping to be wrong

[glass granite]

“When you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal (expending any resources used to cast it) but hold its energy, which you release with your Reaction when the trigger occurs.”

[exotic sinew]

When you ready a spell you cast it as normal (expanding any resources used to cast it) but hold its energy which you release with a reaction when the trigger occurs to be ready. A spell must have a casting time of an action and holding onto the spells magic requires concentration which you can maintain up to the start of your next term if your concentration is broken the spell dissipate without taking effect

[safe thistle]

Are there work arounds on concentration spells? Like a way to not need to concentrate on the spell

[barren panther]

That would be pretty broken

[marble lion]

There are some very specific ways I believe but mostly no

[exotic sinew]

I would say a spell slot is technically a resource to cast a spell right

[marble lion]

I would say so

[safe thistle]

Elaborate

[marble lion]

Your DM might say no anyway

[glass granite]

Glyph of warding, for example

[barren panther]

Cast simulacrum and have your clone cast the concentration spell maybe haha

[blissful ibex]

Be in 2024 and be readying the magic action to use a magic item to cast the spell

[empty thicket]

not directly, you can use warcaster to have a better chance to hold conc in the checks.
Can maybe use wish and ask for an exchange, ak "i win any con check but each one will cost me X( a number that make it balanced ) Hp"

[marble lion]

It's very youtube op build try this!!!! vibes

[empty thicket]

but that is now more a DM permission than anything else

[exotic sinew]

Not that I know of the only thing I know that helps is warcaster giving you advantage in the check

[marble lion]

You have others cast it for you

[glass granite]

Nah there’s more than just warcaster

[empty thicket]

would love people do such "exchanges" more often

[glass granite]

Eldritch mind and star druid off the top of my head

[marble lion]

Get a familiar that can use items then give item with spell you want

[exotic sinew]

Oh okay I am new so I saw it being a thing I didn’t actually know it wasn’t raw I haven’t actually asked my dm lol 😂

[safe thistle]

Well rip, not sure how accessible that will be lol

[barren panther]

It’s all good

[glass granite]

Closest thing to swapping initiative is the 2024 Alert feat

[empty thicket]

wait, can get a familiar with an item that lets say, let it cast haste on someone and use it for "free"?

[marble lion]

I allow held turns because I have yet to see a problem with it

[marble lion]

"Free"

[empty thicket]

yeah, its an investment and if the enemies notice it they will focus that familiar and take it down

[marble lion]

That is a familiar, an item, possibly charges and concentration still applies

[empty thicket]

and such item wont be cheap too

[barren panther]

Yeah I mean if anything it just makes your initiative worse, I can see that being a fine house rule

[exotic sinew]

It’s okay I am stupid and I just saw it on dimension 20 and didn’t actually look into it yet lol it’s my mistake

[blissful ibex]

I mean that is a lieral Initiative swap XD

[glass granite]

Mhm! But it takes a feat

[marble lion]

It's only good in specific tactics, which I'm fine rewarding

[blissful ibex]

so long as it isn't a spell scroll or has some odd attunement requirement, should be good to go

[empty thicket]

Welp, some classes have utility against enemies that didnt attacked yet, i think rogue and one subclass does

[glass granite]

Assassin

[barren panther]

Yeah I think that’s assassinate

[exotic sinew]

@glass granite is that a platypus as your pfp

[empty thicket]

or just having the capacity of attacking first in the round, knowing that player wil most likely take down an enemy is useful

[empty thicket]

weird, but will see how would make it work

[glass granite]

Nah, it’s a Niffler, but it’s been mistaken so many times I’ve started calling him a platypus as a joke

[empty thicket]

if not, raven familiar and let it drop poisons or bombs from the sky

[safe thistle]

Was trying to find a way to cast silence anx darkness in a small area

[exotic sinew]

Ohh my bad 😞 whoops

[barren panther]

I mean if a spell also requires line of sight… darkness might do double duty

[empty thicket]

fog cloud kinda do the same idea, but with some wind spell you get rid of it

[safe thistle]

Not the goal, im trying zone area, to make them unable to hear or see, giving me advantage

[blissful ibex]

or fog cloud

[glass granite]

If you can’t see them either it wouldn’t matter, and silence doesn’t do much to give you advantage iirc

[blissful ibex]

it also lasts 6x longer and stops both devil's sight and truesight where darkness doesn't

[barren panther]

Stealth++ haha

[safe thistle]

Prevent verbal casting

[marble lion]

Silence and darkness make you imperceivable

[empty thicket]

isnt amazing? how some low level spells can counter some higher spells?

i remember there is one lvl 2 spell i think that make you dont get instantly killed, literally countering hihg level spells

[marble lion]

If a rogue had blindfighting, any enemy in darkness and silence would by default get sneakattacked

[blissful ibex]

4th, Death Ward

[glass granite]

But the disadvantage from not being able to see the enemy would cancel out any advantage you may get no?
You’d need blindsight/devil sight/true sight (assuming darkness)

[empty thicket]

close enough

[marble lion]

Blindsight indeed

[blissful ibex]

or an ally within 5 feet who is grappling them in the twin effects c:

[glass granite]

That’s for sneak attack, I was more so addressing advantage, but true

[safe thistle]

Yeah, or shadow sorcerer

[glass granite]

Fair point tho

[blissful ibex]

or Shadow Monk

[glass granite]

Shadow monk does go hard

[safe thistle]

In 2024 yes, sadly not for 2014

[glass granite]

(One change I really liked for 2024)

[safe thistle]

Rn shadow monk feel useless in 2014

[crystal rain]

I'm very proud of myself; I create a spell and received compliments that it was balanced

[crystal rain]

#homebrew I sent it here in case anyone wants to see it

[lofty bobcat]

How my players feel spending a full hour of real time roleplaying a bath house

(the bath house didn't exist 20 seconds prior)

all 3 of them are men, they are behaving as men

mind you, THEY ARE ALL MARRIED IN UNIVERSE

they are... exploring their options I suppose

[sinful dove]

To other people?

[lofty bobcat]

yes

they all have wives, they were roleplaying hetero characters a few minutes ago

[sinful dove]

😭 😂 and now they just in the hot tub doing the complete opposite

I love DnD

[lofty bobcat]

They're rolling for length, I am scared

someone come pick me up

[sinful dove]

Oh….

[modest locust]

Hi so I’m pretty new to dnd and I wanted to meet new people who play to make friends and so I can learn how to play myself

[pearl hedge]

oh no

[pearl hedge]

uh this is when you pause the campaign and advise them to stop

[sinful dove]

We are both in the same boat then mostly

[storm wraith]

Lich as a statblock is very ... weak?

[ashen comet]

Hey guys 👋 so I’m looking for a little DM advice. I’ll be starting a campaign soon that is a continuation of a one shot that I created. In this one shot, my players started with level 3 characters who’s backstories were tied to the location the game was set (tal'dorei reborn campaign setting). At the end of the one shot, the characters are transported to a new world (homebrew) that they will have to try and find their way home from. The ideal end of a year plus long campaign would be that they make their way back to their home world. Since they’re dropping into an unknown world where they know no one, what are some questions I can ask the players before the campaign starts to still make their story feel connected? I have a Paladin, Cleric and Ranger in the party. Any and all cool ideas are welcome and appreciated 🙌

[sinful dove]

This is a very interesting concept

[lavish flame]

"What are you expecting to find here? What are you hoping to find here? What might be a surprise?" Or something. Helps you focus into what they want to see, what their baseline expectations are and what they may not want to see.

[sinful dove]

“What do you remember about where you came from?” Some things that could help flesh out what they liked

[inner silo]

What do you think of the ancestral weapons?

[glass granite]

I’m not familiar

[pearl hedge]

uh, i don't know about this one but it could be nice for flavor-- "What do you think you will do once you find your way home?"

could be a nice idea players can keep in mind throughout the campaign for an end goal besides just getting home

[inner silo]

It's a magic weapon that's customised for the character who wields it, was passed down to them from their ancestors and levels up with the character giving different "feats" that you can purchase to upgrade it. To purchase the feats you use spirit points that the dm may grant you for major story moments for your character that are separate from level ups, or when other players receive new magic items.

[glass granite]

Hmm…
I don’t hate it

[pearl hedge]

interesting, so spirit points are kind of like inspiration points in a way?

[inner silo]

Essentially, as far as i understood it at least

[hybrid scroll]

hello

[inner silo]

Hi

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening!

[pearl hedge]

huh, okay

[hybrid scroll]

it is currently the evening here

[pearl hedge]

if i don't see ya, good morning good afternoon and goodnight

[glass granite]

Aussie?

[hybrid scroll]

US

[pearl hedge]

no it's daytime for them

[glass granite]

…
I’m an Aussie, it’s 6pm

[ashen comet]

Amazing. Thank you for the suggestions @pearl hedge @lavish flame 🤝

[hybrid scroll]

its 11:30 at night for me lmao

[glass granite]

I’d say that’s night lol

[pearl hedge]

hmmm... i need that PF spell that allows you to sense what time it is and when the next lunar cycle is

[glass granite]

Well tbf it’s summer so the suns up…

[hybrid scroll]

my fault bru

[glass granite]

Anywho, dnd

[inner silo]

I think druidic craft can do that no?

[hybrid scroll]

I have literally never touched it in my life

[glass granite]

It’s a very niche cantrip

[pearl hedge]

no that's only for predicting the weather

[hybrid scroll]

BUT

I'm super keen to play

[inner silo]

Ah oki

[pearl hedge]

i looked at druidcraft recently

[pearl hedge]

OH ITS TIME SENSE. it also allows you to know the precise time of other events like when the next dawn is or how many more days until the summer/winter solstice

[inner silo]

Tbh i think it'd be a bit funny if some cities/countries in dnd had someone studied in the druid arts work as a weather reporter

[inner silo]

Yoo

[pearl hedge]

legit you could have that in a backstory "my druid was a town crier for the weather, they urged the townsfolk to run inside when they sensed a thunderstorm" thing lol.

[pearl hedge]

hope my suggestion helped!

[inner silo]

What are good feats on a wisdom based shillelagh ranger

[amber juniper]

i swear i cant find a group irl to play its sad , its like only middle aged men play dnd in my country or something

[humble cairn]

I'm playing one of those! I took Observant for the Wisdom, but I also switch between using Shillelagh and Magic Stone. If you are all in on the melee you could consider Polearm Master.

The other one is War Caster to protect your Concentration while you melee, and also give you neat options for your OA.

[knotty pasture]

Shillelagh and Polearm Master are probably mandatory

Resillent (Con or Wis), War Caster as said

[humble cairn]

War Caster does help you with those pesky Somatic and no Material component spells while you're wielding a staff and a shield.

[inner silo]

The staff can be a druidic focus though

[humble cairn]

Yes, but if you have a Somatic spell with no Material component, you would still need to put your staff away.

[inner silo]

Oh i see

[humble cairn]

Spells with Somatic and Material components are fine, but Somatic alone, no.

[glass granite]

For example, shield. Though that’s not a Druid spell

[inner silo]

Alrighty, I'll probably grab warcaster then

[glass granite]

Also good for concentration

[inner silo]

Polearm master does look sweet but increasing strength/dex isn't as great as wisdom

Thanks for the help!

[inner silo]

@humble cairn do you use beast of the land of beast of the sky?

[humble cairn]

I started with Land, but now I mostly use Sky.

[inner silo]

Alrighty. Is sky better because it can reach backlines to fight casters easier?

[humble cairn]

Sky is better because my DM likes to target pets and the pet with Flyby and a lot of speed is safer because I make them hide behind things between attacks,

[inner silo]

Ohh, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining!

[vast saddle]

How do you rate Stormwreck Isle?

[real epoch]

hey

[inner silo]

Hi

[vestal night]

Hi

[midnight raft]

Hello

[real epoch]

whats going on today?

[twilit summit]

Guys, I heard that most of people name their human Fighters "John"

[vast saddle]

I named my Fighter Bulk, btw. Probably fits the Orc race

[twilit summit]

Nah. I was about to ask if anybody know about somebody who called their human fighter "John Fallout"

[hot gate]

I mean it's meme for sure, but I've not yet encountered any fighter with that name.

[dim flicker]

hello dungeoners of dragons

[dim flicker]

im the opposite of deva; ive met at LEAST 3 people who have named their human fighters 'john', & im really tired of the joke

[hot gate]

Next level joke: Don John

[dim flicker]

so when ive encountered someone considering the same idea again, i had to speak out & directly say "hey man thats cool & all but you're better than that"

[twilit summit]

Of "human fighter John" joke or "John Fallout" joke?

[dim flicker]

human fighter john!!

[twilit summit]

Never made a human btw

I had orc, goliath, kenku, oni, a couple of tieflings, changeling and... Oh, haregon

[dim flicker]

awh, why's that? too boring for you?

[knotty pasture]

John Baldur the Human Fighter

[twilit summit]

Exactly

[twilit summit]

No freaking way!

[remote wadi]

The Human Champion Fighter

[knotty pasture]

For when you don't want to think at all

None of that Eldritch Knight or Battle Master nonsense

Champion is all about picking the closest enemy and smacking them, the end

[glass granite]

The dedication to the bonk is admirable

[rotund abyss]

Hey if you have two things that give you a flying speed, do you add them up

[knotty pasture]

No, the faster flying speed supercedes the slower flying speed option

[rotund abyss]

Oh ok

[west ridge]

Is Nystal's and banishment a good combo?

[real epoch]

Yeah that could work really well 😏 Nystal’s control plus banishment could let you lock down big threats or pick off enemies one by one Definitely a sneaky combo

[exotic sinew]

Really I thought it would be similar to something like speedy, normal movement and then the monk mobility thing where it stacks

[knotty pasture]

Ground speed is different from flying speed

[languid ingot]

DM has asked us to think up people that our characters would know in a big prison and my characters backstory is not that populated with characters that she actually knows due to warlock memory wipe stuff so i’m putting her ex husband in there but she doesnt actually recognise him, shes just gonna get irrationally angry when she sees him

[knotty pasture]

Can you imagine getting multiple instances of +30 ft flying speed per stack

Even stuff like speedy etc only give at most 5-10 ft per instance

[exotic sinew]

What about fairies seeing as they can just fly is it always just a flat 30ft even if they have extra nor al speed? Idk how that race works

Or species now sorry 😞

[exotic sinew]

How long ago was the memory wipe, did their warlock give them false memories so it wasn't like wake up know absolutely nothing

[languid ingot]

She would’ve been in the feywild for most of the time between memory wipe and campaign

[real epoch]

Ooooh that’s spicy 😏 I love that tension your character freaking out at someone she doesn’t even remember is such a fun roleplay moment waiting to happen.

[exotic sinew]

Maybe it's just me but I find the idea of memory wiping a little confusing cause to what extent was the memory wiped, if it is entirely memory were you implanted with new memories to benefit the patron, if not then wouldn't you have to learn to literally walk talk and everything again cause muscle memory is still memory.

And for the prisoner thing if there was time in-between memory wipe and campaign start it could be someone you met along the way. If implanted memories then it could be someone you think you know but due to it being the patron planting that memory you actually don't and they don't know you

[knotty vine]

I still think it’s crazy play characters can become vampires

[exotic sinew]

Can you get lycanthropy??

[languid ingot]

My character is a tad insane so currently her main conscience has been created by the archfey with both her old personality and part of the archfeys mind crushed in there, so she retains basic memories like walking and stuff on top of a few very very very repressed memories that she doesn’t really understand

[exotic sinew]

Also if your memory was wiped how do you know magic or how to fight with weapon, so many questions with memory wiping

[knotty vine]

You can

Just takes being bit by a werewolf and a failed con save

Thorough In the new rules what happens is your player character once they drop to 0 hit point they just become a werewolf under the dms control

Unlike the only one where you just got your own bite attack 15 strength automatically as well as +1 to ac while in wolf/hybird form

[languid ingot]

she didnt have magic before being memory wiped so

[tall forge]

Tbf, be a sorcerer or say it’s muscle memory respectively

[feral fulcrum]

Unless your flying speed is already based on your Ground speed, such as on Fairies. In which case everything that adds to the ground speed boosts it.

[hot marlin]

Muscle memory is memory

[exotic sinew]

But technically speaking muscle memory is attached to your standard memories which goes back to my original thing of how extensive is the memory wipe

[hot marlin]

Obviously the answer is that whatever erased your memory only targetted memory of events

And of theoretical knowledge

Muscle memory and language were unaffected

[knotty vine]

I thought muscle memory was something else entirely

[feral fulcrum]

Muscle memory is indeed, not actually tied to your actual memories.

[knotty vine]

Something that you can’t really lose since it’s engraved in your body

[feral fulcrum]

Otherwise Amnesiacs would suddenly become unable to walk

[hot marlin]

Well yes, but memories are also engraved in your body.

Everything is engraved in your body. Specifically your brain.

[fossil hollow]

its peak fiend hours

[hot marlin]

Muscles do not have neurons that could retain information. Muscle memory is in the brain like any other kind of memory

[knotty vine]

I meant in your muscles

[feral fulcrum]

But we're definitely veering quite off the topic of DND into the unplumbed depths of barely understood complex neuroligical systems

[knotty vine]

Fiend you should sign my book

[real epoch]

Haha true 😅 That would be brutal imagine just freezing mid step because of some weird rule

[fossil hollow]

can i give you jeff's signature?

[hot marlin]

Actually that part is pretty well understood. You will not find a single scientist who will claim muscle memory is actually stored in the muscle. It's in the brain, like everything else

[knotty vine]

Who’s Jeff

[hot marlin]

Fiend? Where? I cast detect evil and good!

[fossil hollow]

owww

why did you have to do that man

[real epoch]

Exactly 😄 Muscles just follow the brain’s orders they don’t remember anything themselves Muscle memory is really just neural memory

[knotty vine]

You should get in my book

[fossil hollow]

no

[knotty vine]

Why not

[real epoch]

oh what book are uh talking about?

[fossil hollow]

Gary is in it

[feral fulcrum]

Tasha's Cauldron Of Some Things Possibly

[fossil hollow]

i dont like Gary

[knotty vine]

The demononicon of Iggwliv

[feral fulcrum]

Gygax?

[hot marlin]

So any effect that "erases memory" in pop culture amnesiac plotlines is an effect that erases memory of events and memory of theory. It does not erase kinetic memory or language memory. An effect that erases all memory would turn you into essentially a newborn.

[fossil hollow]

pffffft gygax is in the demonomicon

[knotty vine]

It has a funny little feature where if you cast a spell from it you can do max damage with that spell against fiends

[hot marlin]

Funny? That feature is just offensive.

[knotty vine]

It’s mainly about well demons but it keeps specifying fiends which means it’s not limited to demons

[real epoch]

Yep exactly 😅 Most amnesia in stories is really just selective memory loss your body still knows how to walk talk or ride a bike Total memory wipe would basically reset you to infancy.

[feral fulcrum]

Fiends deserve it. They're hogging all the resistances and immunities

[hot marlin]

That book is an evil tome created to help enslave and kill people due to their species.

Iggwilv is a slaver and I will not hear otherwise

[exotic sinew]

And this is why memory wipe character confuse me so much

[fossil hollow]

theyre mine mine mine mine mine mine! we dont have bps immunity anymore! gotta keep what we got left

[real epoch]

So it’s targeting fiends broadly demons devils and anything else that counts as a fiend not just straight up demons

[knotty vine]

You can also cast magic circle or planar binding but it’s cast at 9th no matter what slot you use and fiends always make the saving throw with disadvantage

[feral fulcrum]

Devils, Demons, Yugoloths, these are the only Fiends, and just Ignore Nightmares because not even WOTC bothers to keep those dorks consistent.

[hot marlin]

Planar binding is also enslavement and anyone who uses that spell is a monster.

[fossil hollow]

hands you a spellbook with planar binding

[real epoch]

oh wow Casting at 9th level automatically with disadvantage on the fiend’s save basically makes it a guaranteed lock if you play it right

[fossil hollow]

... thats what they said yeah

[knotty vine]

Magic circle while a fiend is in the circle it must make a DC 20 charisma save or be trapped in one of the demonomicon’s pages

[fossil hollow]

not sure why your repeating what tasha is saying

[hot marlin]

What? There are plenty of fiends that don't fit in those categories

[knotty vine]

True

I just think it’s funny that the demon book can trap and enslave more then just demons

[hot marlin]

I would like to say that while I do stand by my point that planar binding is enslavement, the ends do justify the means and a lesser evil of enslaving a fiend or celestial is preferable to the greater evil of me not having that spell in my spellbook

[real epoch]

Whoa 😳 That’s brutalb asically a guaranteed trap if they fail Using the Magic Circle like that makes it way more than just a defensive spell

[exotic sinew]

Not sure why you being a meanie

[fossil hollow]

it reads like a bot

im not being mean, it just reads like a bot

[fossil hollow]

oh how quick it crumbles

[feral fulcrum]

Any that don't fit were just WOTC giving up slotting them into the existing three kinds of Fiends.

[knotty vine]

Get in the book

[fossil hollow]

i read that in the same vibe as "Get in the Water"

[knotty vine]

Basically

[fossil hollow]

dammit, whats the song after that one

[exotic sinew]

Maybe English is their second language or they just talk like that don't be a meanie grrr 😡

[knotty vine]

Imagine getting this book and collecting fiends like they are Pokémon cards 😭

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like a great way to end up in an early grave.

[hot marlin]

First off, do not talk of WOTC like it's one single thing. It's plenty of writers. Secondly: It has never been lore that all fiends belong to one of those three categories. There are plenty of other categories, such as Demodands, Baernoloths, Barghests, Vargouilles...

[knotty vine]

I mean magic circle is a pretty strong spell

[fossil hollow]

i need more iron flasks to complete my all dark type team

[hot marlin]

The fact that some fiends do not belong to those three categories is as old as the concept of those three fiends.

[fossil hollow]

i thought vargouilles are undead

[real epoch]

who?

[knotty vine]

• whenever you cast a spell from an item it ignores cast times so you can cast magic circle in one action and planar binding in the other

[hot marlin]

Demodands, in fact, were in first edition and were one of the first example of "non-main" fiends. And are probably one of my favourite kind of fiends

[fossil hollow]

well, it only does it as an action if it says it does

magic items dont inherently make it an action

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs I'll stop calling WOTC as a Singular entity when they stop treating themselves like a singular entitty, so, never.

[knotty vine]

Most magic items cast spells as an action unless stated otherwise wise

[fossil hollow]

no, its the other way around

[hot marlin]

Moreover: Those "non-main" fiends precede WOTC by decades

If anything, that's TSR.

[knotty vine]

For example the staff of the woodlands allows you to cast awaken

[real epoch]

Haha fair 😅 They definitely act like one big monolith sometimes so calling them singular feels accurate in practice

[knotty vine]

As an action

[fossil hollow]

yuh cuz it specifically said so iirc

[knotty vine]

Where did it say that?

[feral fulcrum]

Frequently in the items description I'd dare presume.

[knotty vine]

It just says while holding the stuff you can cast one of the follow spells on the following table

[fossil hollow]

oh huh, apparently it does not. then its the normal action

[fossil hollow]

really not escaping the bot allegations

[reef copper]

It mentions the spell so i assume the spell is cast how that specific spell is to be cast

Nevermind it says action

[knotty vine]

Yeah whenever you cast a spell* from a magic item it usually shaves down the time to an action rather then it being 1-8 hours

[reef copper]

Spells: You can use an action to expend 1 or more of the staff's charges to cast one of the following spells from it, using your spell save DC: animal friendship (1 charge), awaken (5 charges), barkskin (2 charges), locate animals or plants (2 charges), speak with animals (1 charge), speak with plants (3 charges), or wall of thorns (6 charges).

[knotty vine]

Oh right

[feral fulcrum]

" While holding it, you can use an action to cast Insert spell Or use a Charge to cast x or y"

[knotty vine]

I’m looking at the 24 one but still

[reef copper]

Ok fair enough 24 is different

[knotty vine]

But I’m not sure if most magic items that allow you to cast spells is like that through

Iggwilv’s book however is

[reef copper]

If it is not permanent i think it always tells you what action it uses in 14 but idk about 24

[fossil hollow]

it just says you use charges to cast it

[vivid plinth]

hi, if any player/dm needs inspiration for any pirate related character/area just listen to Cutthroat Carnival from Skylanders Giants, you will thank me later

[knotty vine]

pells. The book has 8 charges. It regains 1d8 expended charges daily at dawn. While holding it, you can use an action to cast Tasha’s hideous laughter from it or to expend 1 or more of its charges to cast one of the following spells (save DC 20) from it: magic circle (1 charge), magic jar (3 charges), planar ally (3 charges), planar binding (2 charges), plane shift (to layers of the Abyss only; 3 charges), summon fiend (3 charges).

[fossil hollow]

Spells. While holding the staff, you can cast one of the spells on the following table from it, using your spell save DC. The table indicates how many charges you must expend to cast the spell.

[knotty vine]

It never goes into detail..?

So I suppose it might not be anymore?

[fossil hollow]

oh. so, its only tasha hideous that is cast as an action from what im reading here, due to he placement of the "or"

[reef copper]

I read it as both groupings are actions

[knotty vine]

I think you can just cast Tasha hideous laughter at will but I could be wrong

Yeah so you can skip the wait time and immediately pin down a fiend you see within range

[fossil hollow]

yeah, tasha hideous is at will

[knotty vine]

Then you can trap them in said book

[fossil hollow]

in any case, im not getting in the book

[feral fulcrum]

The charge expenditure does indeed need you to use the Magic Action

[knotty vine]

I will force you too

[fossil hollow]

no

[glass granite]

What if I say please?

[knotty vine]

Can you teleport out of magic circle?

[fossil hollow]

i have a session tomorrow miss

[feral fulcrum]

Does Magic Circle say it stops teleportation?

[knotty vine]

You can but it’s a save I see

[fossil hollow]

manshoon is gonna bring down the door soon

soon, the only menace in waterdeep will me mee!

[feral fulcrum]

Reading the spell block, typically explains the exact function of the Spell and it's limitations. Rarely is there anything that's not super clear. 5E has gotten their wording down pretty consistently.

[knotty vine]

But then you could just stack planer binding which the dc is 20 and it’s casted 9th level

[feral fulcrum]

Which is still not Foolproof.

[knotty vine]

Ensnarement. While carrying the book, whenever you cast the magic circle spell naming only fiends, or the planar binding spell targeting a fiend, the spell is cast at 9th level, regardless of what level spell slot you used, if any. Additionally, the fiend has disadvantage on its saving throw against the spell.

[feral fulcrum]

So eventually, by sheer luck, something might just break out of the Circle and murder you.

[knotty vine]

just magic circle it again