dnd-discussion

[prime basin]

thanks for the suggestions though

[vernal vale]

Damn are they all that bad 😭🙏 /j

[glass granite]

None probably fit the vibe

[prime basin]

I also found it very hard to come up with a name for like an hour, so I don't blame anyone for having a bad name

Displacerkin was the best one but It's mostly cause that hit the vibe more..but it was still kinda meh

[humble cairn]

I thought Rift Jumper and Phase Stalker were decent.

Shade Stalker maybe if you specifically want Shadowfell related?

[prime basin]

Rift jumper is too specific and what does phase stalker even mean

[vernal vale]

They phase and stalk 👍👍👍

[humble cairn]

But the shadar kai have those shadow porting monks, right? What were they called?

[humble cairn]

Stalking is something rogue types do, and phasing out of this reality for a bit is a way to describe teleporting.

[vernal vale]

Tbf stalking is more something assasin rogues do, nobody plays the other subclasses on their own lmao

[humble cairn]

I think it's very applicable to the rogue archetype.

There are specifically a caste of Shadar Kai, from the Shadowfell, who teleport through shadows. They're called Shadow Dancers.

[prime basin]

Gloomstalkers?

[vernal vale]

I meant more as in the other 2 subclasses are just used for multiclass

[prime basin]

not the ranger subclass but the name itself

[vernal vale]

Those are underdark based, pretty sure the Shadar-kai are shadowfell elves

[humble cairn]

Nope, Shadow Dancers.

[prime basin]

Oh shadow dancers..alright

Well usually names for homebrew subclasses come easy
Oath of The Dragon
Circle of Nightmares
Oath of the Fateweaver
Order of The Leech

This one is just harder to come to me without giving up the broadness imo

[glass granite]

Wraithwalker?

[humble cairn]

Rogue subs aren't always one word, as Arcane Trickster goes to show.

[glass granite]

If that fits the vibe

[prime basin]

As I said most

[jovial shadow]

Gloom Stalkers (two words) are Shadowfell powered.

[remote wadi]

Still gonna use Lightning Bolt

Don't really care. It's the cooler spell in my book

[hollow stone]

Rogues, linguistically, use a set of nouns that imply malicious intent and are based from a verb

[stiff rock]

'inquisitive' doesn't sound particularly malicious

[hollow stone]

ah that's an exception yea, that's an adjective

[stiff rock]

i think subclasses are just named after what would describe its features best, i'm not sure they have any specific naming schemes

[hollow stone]

nvm rogues just do whatever they feel like and get 1 or 2 words

unless "inquisitive" is in the context of the Spanish Inquisition but that's questionable at best

and in either scenario inquisitive continues to be an adjective

[vernal vale]

Huh, I was so sure they originated from the underdark

[rancid whale]

In our campaign, we can buy any magic item as many as we want as long as we have the money for it

Since I cant activate more than one figurine of wondrous power at a time...... Is there anything that prevents me from using 40 figurine raven to hold 40 figurine elephant so I can throw 40 elephants to a room in one turn?

[idle oar]

The DM saying “no”

[burnt valley]

RAW, absolutely nothing

[vernal vale]

Wait just looked up to fact check, their forgotten realms wiki page says nothing about the shadowfell, it says 'These stalwart adventurers can often be found exploring the depths of the Underdark'

[minor cargo]

Haha, I think it's even more straight forward. It takes a Magic action to throw the figurine.

A Figurine of Wondrous Power is a statuette small enough to fit in a pocket. If you take a Magic action to throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of yourself, the figurine becomes a living creature specified in the figurine’s description below.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/9228621-figurine-of-wondrous-power

So you can't throw 40 of them in a single turn. Though maybe I misunderstood what you're saying.

[stark maple]

i wanna beer

[real thunder]

I think they want to use the crows to spawn eliphants

[rancid whale]

Uh what I mean is by preparing 40 ravens through activating figurines before starting an adventure day, commanding each of them to bring an elephant figurine, so I can use the raven's magic action to activate the figurine

[stark maple]

i want another beer

guys what the damage of a large creature falling on top of a small-medium

[jovial shadow]

I don't believe any wiki are D&D official sources. The only official sources are the core books.

[stark maple]

i still think it crazy that any level 1 character can get a fly speed

[glass granite]

Optional rule, but 1d6 every 10ft capping at 20d6

[minor cargo]

Ah, haha. So yeah, sure, it could work. I'm not your DM though, to UndyingNoob's point. 😉

I think if you're at the point in the game where you can just have 40 figures of wondrous power (elephant), wild stuff is already happening.

[stark maple]

aint that for a falling creature

[vernal vale]

Well I don't own the book gloomstalkers come from and even so there's so much originating from the Shadowfell, I think it's more fun to think there are different 'flavours' of gloomstalker per biome

[burnt valley]

Why's there so many rulings that just amounts to "Ask your DM"?

[stark maple]

cause thats why 5e is about

[humble cairn]

Fundamental philosophy of 5E.

[tidal bough]

Because theyre often dm dependant

[stark maple]

just ask thy dm

[burnt valley]

:fridge:

[humble cairn]

5E deliberately does not try to make a rule to cover every instance of everything and relies on DMs making rulings to make the game run smoothly.

[minor cargo]

What's that saying? Rulings not rules?
Edit: Oh, it's an OSR thing. Okay, still applies IMO because it's about GMing!

[stark maple]

im missing my TOA book and i am not happy

[humble cairn]

This is a design philosophy they did on purpose so the rules weren't bloated.

[stark maple]

i kinda liked more when the rules were a bit bloated

but if dnd needs to be simple for more people to play then so be it

[humble cairn]

As someone who came to D&D from systems that were much lighter I appreciate it. 5E is probably the crunchiest system I can tolerate.

[stark maple]

i came from system like 2e 3e and 3.5e

[jovial shadow]

The rules are only guidelines, the DM has the right to accept all or none of the rules in the game. This was mentioned specifically in AD&D 1e's DMG and still seems to be true

[stark maple]

i do like the buffs to monks however

im not a big fan of those dms who treat the rules as something that cant be unbroken and if you do 1 millom psykick damage if you do something slightly out of line

[burnt valley]

If you're not going to accept all of the rules in the game, are you still even playing DnD? That would be like making your own TTRPG

[stark maple]

do you accept the rule that small creautres have disadvantage when using heavy weapons?

or hell travel times

[minor cargo]

Haha, yeah, that's like one of the classic D&D philosophical questions. Kind of like the Ship of D&D-eus.

For me, having had it a few times, I don't really see too much value you can get out of it. I think I've landed on kind of the "I know it when I see it" idea. If it smells like D&D and sounds like D&D, it's D&D.

[stark maple]

crunchy crits

[minor cargo]

With the caveat that D&D is a TTRPG, the umbrella term. So that's also handy for the conversation.

[jovial shadow]

That was my mindset, but I have had to modify it because now everyone just wants to homebrew/house rule as the norm, instead of the exception.

[stark maple]

i still thinks its wild that gloom stalker and swashbuckler path of zealot came from the same book that has arcane archer sun soal cavalier

[crystal latch]

Gloom is one of the best things we got in the entire book there

[stark maple]

but how did they also make sun soul tho 😭

its sad seeing that monks had a 1d4 damage die

[burnt valley]

They love their martials "both grounded, gritty warriors that are only marginally superhuman" in a world where casters can tear the game apart

[crystal latch]

In XGE we got like 14-15 good subclasses total

[stark maple]

like there level 11 ability is con save or 2d6

[limber trail]

sun soul isn't a grounded gritty warrior at all

[stark maple]

while the PALADIN can do 2d8 no save they just need to hit at level 3

[lyric viper]

One rule of thumb we use as a server is "Can you play in this game using characters made by and officially published D&D book"

[stark maple]

like sun has to be the absolute worse monk subclass by far

[burnt valley]

Exactly, they're just slightly magical flashlights instead

[crystal latch]

Good subs included 2 barbarians, 1 bard, 2 clerics, 2 druids, 1 monk, 1 paladin, 1 ranger, 2 sorcs, 1-2 warlocks and 1 wizard
Truly one of the best 5e books

[stark maple]

fighter having 0 is crazy

[lyric viper]

D&D (and any TTRPG) has never tried to have rules than can cover every single situation 100% rationally and so every TTRPG has a "The group/GM will need to make a call"

[crystal latch]

At least fighter has like... four noteworthy ones in total across all official 2014 content (BM, EK, the other EK, RK)

[stark maple]

also gloom stalker has to be the only redeeming quality about ranger in 2014 base ranger was just so bad

tasha's and xanther really worked hard to save ranger

[crystal latch]

2014 ranger was always good, gloom just made it great

Tasha was nothing more than a placebo

[eager marsh]

Genuinely not true it was strictly a mechanical improvement

[atomic kayak]

A single spell being misused (well, less the spell and more another rule) is one of the main reasons people claim 2014 ranger was fine

[stark maple]

ranger had to many things that made baesd on the game you were playing

[lyric viper]

Which shouldn't be too much of an issue with good communication.

[crystal latch]

Ranger is good because of its spell list
Tbf TCE did add Entangle to their list which is a good buff

[atomic kayak]

Regardless of a lot of things, 2014 ranger was the only class in the game where its two core class abilities (see: rage, ki, wildshape, metamagic, etc) were entirely reliant on the DM for use

[crystal latch]

Spellcasting and weapon proficiency?

[stark maple]

example being naturel explorer

[lyric viper]

Wildmagic sorcerer also suffered from that but more so in my opinion.

[stark maple]

or primval awareness

[eager marsh]

Wild magic surge not being DM discretion was a great change

[burnt valley]

wrong, 2014 Assassin Rogue

[atomic kayak]

Nope. Just because people chose not to act like they were the core class features doesn't meant favored enemy and terrain were not them.

They had a lot of ability space dedicated to them, on the same level as the core abilities of the other classes

[atomic kayak]

Notably, not a class.

There were plenty of more situational subclasses

[eager marsh]

Favored Enemy used to be the primary feature even in 3.5 and it used to give bonuses to damage against your foes as well and even the Beta test for 5e did. They removed that part for some reason

[stark maple]

Beginning at 3rd level, you can use your action and expend one ranger spell slot to focus your awareness on the region around you. For 1 minute per level of the spell slot you expend, you can sense whether the following types of creatures are present within 1 mile of you (or within up to 6 miles if you are in your favored terrain): aberrations, celestials, dragons, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead. This feature doesn’t reveal the creatures’ location or number

[atomic kayak]

Favored Enemy and Terrain were on the most basic level reliant on the DM to exist.

[crystal latch]

I don't think it's fair to say that ranger's exploration stuff is a "core ability" any more so than saying Danger Sense is a core barbarian ability but not listing Rage

[stark maple]

ah yes there are enemies about

[limber trail]

way more fun for players. You also don't have to roll, you can choose to.

[atomic kayak]

Things like primeval awareness becoming worse in your favored terrain was certainly something

[stark maple]

but you dont need your DM to get any use of it is what hes saying

[burnt valley]

we love leaving it up to the DMs whether something is functional or not instead of fixing it

[crystal latch]

Ranger's core abilities are Extra Attack, Spellcasting and Fighting Style, plus their 3rd-level subclass feature

[atomic kayak]

Nope, im saying its a core ability because of how many features the class geta dedicated to those abilities. 2014 ranger has a lot of features dedicated to those two abilities. On the same level as other classes and their unique core abilities.

[stark maple]

i think your missing the point

[crystal latch]

It doesn't matter how many features it gets that interact with one thing or other, but what their total impact is

[stark maple]

at level 14 i get the ability to do rogues thing 😄
Starting at 14th level, you can use the Hide action as a bonus action on your turn. Also, you can’t be tracked by nonmagical means, unless you choose to leave a trail.

[atomic kayak]

Like I said, people acting like the abilities were not core abilities just because the abilities were bad does not make them less of a core ability the class was designed around

I think its hard to argue favored enemy especially wasnt a core ability when, on top of everything else associated with it, the capstone of the class was also directly linked to it

[atomic kayak]

Nope

[crystal latch]

Would you say that wizard is centered around fighting one specific enemy if it got Favored Enemy as a bonus feature? Or would it be effectively unchanged from actual wizard?

[eager marsh]

Having dead features is strictly bad game design even if they aren’t as impactful the power of the class dedicated to those defrauded matters and poorly impacts the player experience

[stark maple]

^^^

[crystal latch]

A class is the sum of its strengths. Filler text is ultimately just filler text

[eager marsh]

Wizard is a power outlier and their subclass features are highly minimal to reflect that

[atomic kayak]

The class is designed around favored enemy and favored terrain, it is a core ability of the class design. It is why so much of its design space is dedicated to it

[stark maple]

portent he rolled a 1

[crystal latch]

Wizard subclass features aren't minimal, they have some of the best subclass features

[eager marsh]

Portent is fun but less game breaking than Reddit wants you to think

[atomic kayak]

Most wizard subclass features are fairly minimal. Chronomancy doesnt change that

[stark maple]

thats not chronomancy its divi

[atomic kayak]

Im aware. I was pre-empting

[crystal latch]

Necromancy, Divination, Chronurgy, War, Abjuration...

Graviturgy

[atomic kayak]

Good =/= not minimal

[eager marsh]

In fact most classes have subclass mechanics weak in relation to just the base class. That’s intentional to reduce power variance for balance even if I wish more of the class power was in subclasses instead

[stark maple]

Difficult terrain doesn’t slow your group’s travel.
Your group can’t become lost except by magical means.
Even when you are engaged in another activity while traveling (such as foraging, navigating, or tracking), you remain alert to danger.
If you are traveling alone, you can move stealthily at a normal pace.
When you forage, you find twice as much food as you normally would.
While tracking other creatures, you also learn their exact number, their sizes, and how long ago they passed through the area

that twice as much food as is kinda redundant no? cause most rangers will just pick up good berry unless the dm bans it

[eager marsh]

Those features matter in one(?) of the official hard cover adventures. Also 2014 Ranger was spells known not prepared so taking goodberry without metagaming the campaign type was unlikely

[crystal latch]

Goodberry is an autopick regardless of campaign environment

[eager marsh]

Polite disagree

[atomic kayak]

They actually matter in quite a few of the official adventures fwiw. At least 6

[stark maple]

yeah but most people should pick up good berry anyway its an amazing spell

[crystal latch]

Goodberry converts unused spell slots to 10 hp/slot of healing the next day

[eager marsh]

The chult sandbox chapter for ToA was what came to mind

[stark maple]

also feeds any creature for an entire day

muti class into life to make it 4 hp

[crystal latch]

Goodberry, Absorb Elements, Fog Cloud, Entangle
Spike Growth, Pass without Trace
Conjure Animals, Plant Growth
Conjure Woodland Beings
-- (5ths for upcasting only)

Basically the core of my ranger spell list across a full 1-20 progression regardless of where the campaign is set.

[stark maple]

also is there any other fighting style that rangers can use bedies defense and archery

[crystal latch]

Archery's the main one that's useful, if you want to be m*lee for whatever reason I guess there's blind fighting

[stark maple]

why would you melee as.. ranger?

[crystal latch]

No clue

[eager marsh]

I wish 2024 had buffed blind fighting to be 15 ft at least so it wasn’t just explicitly worse than the skulker feat doing the same plus extra

[humble cairn]

Yeaaahhhh

[stark maple]

what does Skulker do

[burnt valley]

I know some people would do it for flavor or stuck in 4e fantasy

[crystal latch]

I had a ranger with an ascendant dragon's wrath antimatter rifle in my Eve of Ruin party, he was one of our better damage-dealers even near the end of the game

[stark maple]

i wonder why..

[crystal latch]

Iirc my warlock still did more damage but it was pretty close

[stark maple]

doesnt an AMR do like 5d8?

[crystal latch]

6d8

[stark maple]

it also has the reloading property which means you can only fire 2 shots before needing to reload using a bonus action or attack action

[crystal latch]

Total damage per shot was
6d8 base
+3d6+3 magic weapon
+1 damage per die from other homebrew item
+10 Dex mod
+10 Sharpshooter

Kobold gloom stalker X/assassin 3/life 1/divine soul 1

[stark maple]

or is it a bonus action attack action

[crystal latch]

Reloading was a bonus action iirc

[limber trail]

it's an action or bonus action, your choice

[stark maple]

its action or bonus action

[eager marsh]

10 ft blind sight. +1 to dex, and a few hide based features as well

[stark maple]

still dealing with having to reload sounds kinda annoying if your class is bonus action based which i doubt ranger is

[crystal latch]

The only major alternative ranger has for its BA use is a Crossbow Expert bonus action attack

Which is great, magic antimatter rifles are just better

[eager marsh]

You mean that weapon that gets used in the smallest percentage of games?

[crystal latch]

AMRs should be used more, they help martials significantly

[stark maple]

they should have made an amf 1 shot then you need to reload

[crystal latch]

Nah, it's fine as it is

[stark maple]

cause 12d8 for little to no effort is pretty nuts

[eager marsh]

It’s a weapon that only exists if the DM permits it

[stark maple]

isnt that most weapons

[eager marsh]

No

[stark maple]

like brass knucles dont exist unless the dm says sure

[crystal latch]

12d8+2x+4 mod at 5th level with a 75% hit chance (Archery, no power attack) is 46.5 DPR
With Sharpshooter it becomes 41 DPR so power attacks actually aren't normally worth it

[mystic crystal]

Nothing like starting the work day knowing that D&D is at the end of it!

[eager marsh]

Naming weapons that don’t exist at all mechanically as opposed to weapons that have mechanics aren’t the same

[stark maple]

only issue about it is there is no diff between necrotic and non magical necrotic so if something is resistance or immune your better off switching

[crystal latch]

Overall its damage is fine, tbh it should have a bigger reload number because "you can't make more than two attacks before reloading" mainly screws over fighters

[stark maple]

krill issue

[limber trail]

anti magic rifles are very explicitly weapons designed for futuristic games. The game actively kinda discourages DMs from using them in its formatting unlike most items where the DMG tends to be rather indifferent either way usually

[stark maple]

immunity for players is very hard to come by for playing in dnd

[eager marsh]

By design yes

[stoic haven]

Anti magic rifles are stupidly good, and I would nearly never run a game where they are used

[eager marsh]

It’s why the poison immune races were adjusted for resistance

[crystal latch]

That was an unnecessary nerf

[eager marsh]

I disagree

[stoic haven]

No, very necessary

[eager marsh]

Poison gets used against players with one of the highest frequencies

[stoic haven]

And didnt the poison immune race (Yuan-Ti) get suggestion?

[crystal latch]

Most recent nerfs in general targeted B-tier options and lower

[stark maple]

the only poson immune race is Yuan ti pure blood which was a transformation

you go from yuan ti to pure blood which is even more snake like then a normal yuan ti

[crystal latch]

Purebloods are the least snakelike

[stark maple]

in blood i mean

[crystal latch]

Yuan-ti purebloods are the near-human ones

[stark maple]

its why there lesser counter part only has resistance while the purebloods and immunity

[eager marsh]

Pretty sure warforged had it as well before they were fixed

[stark maple]

nope

[eager marsh]

No the Pureblood was nerfed in the next book they’re both Pureblood

[stoic haven]

Um, you dont need a transformation, its a base option in Volo's

[eager marsh]

Mordenkainens nerfed the magic resistance and changed poison immune to resistance

[crystal latch]

I'm generally opposed to nerfing an option if stronger options are left unchanged, because cutting out the middle of the meta is the worst approach

[stark maple]

it is a base option yes but it was intended to be a transformation if you read the UA of Volo's guide

[eager marsh]

Doesn’t matter since that’s not the printed version and they are in fact a race that is born

[stark maple]

the Yuan ti is infact not a pureblood in mordenkainens

[crystal latch]

There are rules for transforming into yuan-ti purebloods in Tomb of Annihilation

[stoic haven]

We arent talking about UA, since it isnt printed

[crystal latch]

The ToA version basically works as a template where you get all the features slapped onto your current race but it only works on humans

[stark maple]

wait its in tomb?!

i didnt know that

[eager marsh]

That’s a different thing

It lets you stack the yuan ti race traits on top of human traits

[crystal latch]

ToA transformed yuan-ti are actually really strong due to also being variant humans

[eager marsh]

If you don’t die from the ritual giving you 1d6 exhaustion levels

[stark maple]

i always forget about variant humans

granted variant humans arent all that strong below level 3

[eager marsh]

That’s strictly wrong

[crystal latch]

Vhumans are always one of the best races

[stark maple]

does that mean custom is one of the best as well?

[eager marsh]

Variant human is even stronger of a gap in lower levels because of the extra feat

Custom lineage is just variant human with a smidge of flexibility in the stats and proficiency vs darkvision. I use it to play a mind flayer

[crystal latch]

The top races in the 5e meta fall into one of three categories

• flying race or equivalent i.e. spider climb
• bonus feat at level 1 race
• race that adds good spells to your spell list (dragonmarks, earth genasi)

[eager marsh]

Volo Yuan Ti as well before they were rightfully nerfed

[stark maple]

lineages are pretty stuff then i guess

[crystal latch]

Nah, Volo Yuan-ti were a step and a half lower

[eager marsh]

Poison immune and magic resistance was insanely powerful. That’s why the mordenkainen printing fixed it

[stark maple]

pretty sure magic resistance is exactly the same

[eager marsh]

It’s not

[crystal latch]

Yuan-ti pureblood and Satyr are in like B+ tier, they never got close to the S-tier stuff

[eager marsh]

It affected anything magical the first time. It was changed to spells only

[stark maple]

magical effects isnt all that strong cause i cant really think of any at the top of my head

[eager marsh]

Literally half the game.

The large bulk of supernatural abilities and monster effects are magical

[stark maple]

arent supernatural and magical different

[eager marsh]

Not in 5e no. That was distinguished in 3.5

Psionic from a mind flayer? Their mind blast stun? Magical

[stark maple]

well duh

[eager marsh]

Mechanically they are the same thing in 5e and that’s why magic resistance was so strong

[stark maple]

i think only yuan ti's had magic resistance is volo's

[eager marsh]

The playable Yuan Ti Pureblood race had it and that was the issue. That’s why the Mord printing changed it to spells only. I know because I played a yuan ti pure blood both before and after the nerf

[stark maple]

i feel like posion damage isnt that wildly used against players unless your always fighting spiders

or a big green dragon

[limber trail]

Some spells deal it and a lot of assassins will use it but generally yeah not a lot

[delicate owl]

Dont remind me

[limber trail]

Remind you of what, you haven’t had any experiences with assassin enemies

[crystal latch]

I'd do the benchmarks for different tiers of races like
S: Best dragonmarks, vhuman, dhampir, CL, flying
A: Weaker dragonmarks, earth genasi
B: Yuan-ti, satyr, tortle, kobold
C: Centaur, elf
D: MPMM kobold, dragonborn
F: Kenku, standard human

[limber trail]

that thing did so much damage seriously it was horrifying

[stark maple]

thats some spells and assassins tho unless you piss off the wrong guy your posion immunity is around a 5 outta 10 on the scale

[eager marsh]

Poison damage is the most common to occur against the players besides fire when you account for traps and enemies that can cause it

[delicate owl]

Ahan shall not fall, unless we have no revivify scrolls again, in which case..

[stark maple]

bps..?

[eager marsh]

Poison damage is also usually on the high end so being immune cuts out a large part of an encounter threat

[stark maple]

man i cant posion you but i can still BEAT you to death

[limber trail]

I’m sure it’ll be fine totally definitely maybe

[stark maple]

thats just like.. wrong

[crystal latch]

The main thing I would say is holding yuan-ti back from the higher tiers is having very limited ability to use its toolkit proactively

[eager marsh]

When referring to elemental damage frequency the default untyped damage types aren’t usually included for discussion sake since you can’t casually become resistance or immune to those. Barbarian isn’t a choice anyone can take

[stark maple]

i can cast animal friendship! as many times as i want but only.. for snakes

[crystal latch]

Main thing that comes to mind is removing the possible consequences of failing a check to harvest poison

[eager marsh]

Proactive isn’t necessary when you can survive things that drop or halt other characters before their turn even happens

[stark maple]

i feel like force since mordenkaian did rework a lot of monsters to instead of dealing magical BPS its force

[eager marsh]

Defensive benefits are being underestimated

[eager marsh]

Still no because those monsters aren’t that common and most aren’t even in hardcover adventures and player side interaction with force damage is still limited

[crystal latch]

Dhampir's defensive benefits are so much bigger that yuan-ti cannot be fairly placed in the same tier

[stark maple]

i also feel like Necrotic is up there

[stark maple]

i mean yeah dhampir's can have a fly speed if they want

[delicate owl]

Watching this conversation is a blast

[eager marsh]

Hard but polite disagree dhampir doesn’t have defensive features besides not needing to breathe and spider climb is mobility not defensive

[crystal latch]

Dhampirs have 35ft move speed and the ability to walk onto a ceiling and drop prone in a game where most enemies are melee and many have a 30ft speed

[eager marsh]

2024 gave a lot of monsters ranged options but also not every fight has a ceiling.

[stark maple]

If you replace a race with this lineage, you can keep the following elements of that race: any skill proficiencies you gained from it and any climbing, flying, or swimming speed you gained from it.

flying

[eager marsh]

That’s not a dhampir specific trait then. That’s specific to even being allowed a flying race to start which are more often than not banned

[knotty pasture]

I think with Dhampirs its the bite thing and how exploitable it is with your own bag of rats

[small heath]

Am I the only one who sees Tiamat(The Dark Lady) being censored because they're a likely spammer?

[crystal latch]

Biting a bag of rats is good for initiative, yes

[eager marsh]

Tiamat likes her spiced ham

[knotty pasture]

No I'm getting it too

[stark maple]

yeah but it allowing you to keep a fly speed is pretty strong like old Aarakocra having a walk speed of 25

but a fly speed of 50

so now your walk speed is 35 and your fly is 50

[crystal latch]

I usually nonlethally bite an unconscious mule that I carry around to fish for a max damage crit, then apply it to a thieves' tools check to create a trap with my familiar helping me while I am under the effects of Guidance and Emboldening Bond

[eager marsh]

Still hinges on you being allowed to play aarakocra first and then add more into it which is usually a no

[stark maple]

its any flying race tbh

granted swim speeds are pretty underated

also i fee like thri kreens sleepless trait is also decently unrated as ell

[crystal latch]

Not needing to breathe also means you can live in a bag of holding and just peek out to shoot

[stark maple]

i like sleeping underwater as a dhampier it pretty hard to attack me

[jovial shadow]

Probably related to their text

[eager marsh]

There aren’t actually rules for exiting the bag yourself or using it like that technically speaking

Anyways I’m off to my day job have fun nerds

[stark maple]

you just.. climb out

[jovial shadow]

It's probably an action just to do that, and it also depends on if there is gravity inside

[stark maple]

remember bags of holding arent infinite

[crystal latch]

It's only an action to retrieve an item, PCs aren't items and you're not "retrieving" yourself

[stark maple]

a bag of holding can also be opened from the insides

unless its been sealed via arcane lock

[jovial shadow]

You are interacting with the bag

[stark maple]

item interaction is a free action

[limber trail]

Retrieving an item from the bag (read: opening and closing it) requires an action

[grizzled lance]

That’s grabbing an item from a bag not opening/closing a bag

[limber trail]

That said the bag is probably not big enough to hold most medium creates - it’s a 2x2x4ft space

[grizzled lance]

It’s 4x4x4

[jovial shadow]

Yep and attempting to fight from it for some reason doesn't provide any real cover. Attacks can destroy the bag.

[limber trail]

It’s not

[grizzled lance]

Kinda weird that it can hold 500 pound

But it can hold a small person through

Also why does it say that it can fit small and medium creature if that bag is so small

[grizzled lance]

Also if the bag is destroyed while your inside you just get sent to the astral plane

[halcyon forum]

A medium creature can squeeze inside a small space

[grizzled lance]

Not a chance I’ll fit in there

[umbral girder]

“Just sent to the astral sea”
That’s like saying “you only get sent into the Meat grinder”

[lone zinc]

Man they should just make a digital version no one wants to read and remember all of this

As a game

[umbral girder]

There is reason why the corpses of gods float there

[umbral girder]

What?

[lone zinc]

Digital tableboard

With all of the rules/ systems integrated

[umbral girder]

There are already VTTs

[grizzled lance]

Oh no I’m in a infinite void

[umbral girder]

DnDBeyond maps, Roll20, Foundry, Owlbear.

[lone zinc]

Should be mainstream

[grizzled lance]

Dnd beyond maps need a sub to use custom ones

[umbral girder]

Also making it like that loses a lot of the reason DnD is fun

[lone zinc]

Roll20 is trash Foundry is better but theres still alot of manual configuration

[grizzled lance]

Which is stinky

[lone zinc]

It solves alot of problems

[grizzled lance]

I like making maps in my off time

[umbral girder]

Not really. Makes more problems and takes away a lot of freedom for DMs and players

[grizzled lance]

What kinda of problems

[umbral girder]

The Project Sigil kind of problems

[lone zinc]

Reading

[grizzled lance]

Isn’t dnd all about reading

Knowing what you can and can’t do

[lone zinc]

Discussing “is this correct” “can j move here” “what does this thing do”

[umbral girder]

Besides its not hard to read those 20 pages of rules in DnD

[grizzled lance]

Literally just read that book and if that’s too much your not trying to play dnd your trying to play Baldur gate 3

[umbral girder]

Like the books are mainly just options and their descriptions or story stuff than rules.

[lone zinc]

Ok but every session people waste so much time asking stupid shit constantly bc they don’t have a visual indication showing the limit of their characters movement

Or how an item/spell/mechanic works

[umbral girder]

So you just count the squares.

[lone zinc]

What if its diagonal movement

[grizzled lance]

That just sounds like you play with people that don’t know how to read

[umbral girder]

Like if each square is 5ft and they got a speed of 30ft? Move 6 squares.

[grizzled lance]

Same thing 5ft per square but some dms do make diagonal’s cost more or just don’t allow it at all

It’s up to the DM if you can move diagonally

[dark pewter]

Many VTTs also have a setting to measure Euclidean movement, which makes diagonals very easy

[umbral girder]

Oh no guys who change the rules are surprise it leaves people confused because they use the normal rules? How unexpected. /jk

[lone zinc]

And why do people hate combat so much

[umbral girder]

Hardly many people do. That sounds like an issue for your group

[lone zinc]

And min maxing

[grizzled lance]

I don’t hate combat I love it

[limber trail]

People most certainly don't hate combat

[grim nimbus]

I personally love combat

[jovial shadow]

Combat is the only reason I play D&D

[lone zinc]

Every post I see its min combat high rp no min maxing

[grim nimbus]

I am a very combative bard

[minor cargo]

This might be kind of a survivor bias thing? Games that have a lot of combat might fill up really fast and so what you're left seeing is things with lower combat?

[grizzled lance]

Combat is the funniest part of dnd sometimes besides seeing how people will react when I show them that I can summon a dog from thin air

[umbral girder]

You trust random posts on the internet for your DnD?

[lone zinc]

Ya

[jovial shadow]

I've only seen Youtube videos say stuff like that

[umbral girder]

Yeah that explains a lot

[grizzled lance]

“I’ve only seen YouTube videos so it must be true for all games”

[lone zinc]

Nah every game ad I saw was like that

[umbral girder]

Next we’ll hear about how DnD Shorts or “this guy on YouTube said this” next

[lone zinc]

If u minmax ur a bad person type deal

[grizzled lance]

Min maxxing and power gaming/building are two different things btw

I wish more people understood that

[lone zinc]

I want the best stats/feats/spells for my character and suddenly im an irl bad guy or something

[grizzled lance]

Thats.. there is no such thing as the “best” in dnd

[grim nimbus]

I think he means like best to match his play style

[grizzled lance]

Yes there is broken thingd like wizard or hex blade warlock but the best is always up to debate

[grim nimbus]

At least I hope so

[prime pewter]

Enchantment Wizard is cool, but if the UA is to be believed, the new Enchantment Wizard will be a lot less MAD. I'm excited!

[grim nimbus]

I agree with you "best" is really a very opinion related term I'm dnd

[grizzled lance]

The main reason I don’t like power gamers is cause most dms will up the ante of the entire game based around that one guy so now all other plays have to suffer because this did made his character”unkillable” at level 5

[minor cargo]

Waaaaaaay back (like in the late 2000s), this was called the "Stormwind Fallacy". The fallacy is that just because you built with optimization in mind, you're automatically going to hinder the roleplaying options of your character.

[grim nimbus]

You've played with some very assholish dms

[grizzled lance]

Oh definitely

[lone zinc]

Like the other players can yap their asses off in rp but as soon as my character built for combat starts doing well suddenly im “stealing the spotlight”

[prime pewter]

Yeah, because combat takes four hours

[grizzled lance]

I min max for rp you min max for combat we are not the same

[dark pewter]

That's why a Session 0 is so crucial for setting table expectations

There's no objectively best or right way to play D&D, just the best way for your table

[lone zinc]

How is it a problem if im speeding it up then

[prime pewter]

Four hours that could be spent talking to Robin the Gobin

[crimson gulch]

Everyone can rp regardless of charicter build

[grizzled lance]

I’m not gonna lie it always scares me slightly whenever I go to a #looking-for-players and they just instantly send me a server invite link instead of asking questions

[crystal latch]

I disagree here, I would say there absolutely are best options

[crimson gulch]

4 hour combats? That's a problem, I run 3 hour sessions and get 3 combats in on average , and that's usually half the session time

Teirs 1 2 3 and 4

[restive blade]

If you’re playing a bugbear with a glaive with polearm mastery and sentinel, when can you have an attack of opportunity? At 15 or 10 feet?

[prime pewter]

Once a player spent an entire session fighting a black dragon, which we were not allowed to participate in, and he leveled up several times from it

[lone zinc]

No I mean im letting them have their moment rping right? Bc im more interested in the combat? And I can’t enjoy combat because when I do well im “stealing the spotlight”

[burnt valley]

They make functional characters that doesn't the hinder the whole party down, you on the other hand does more Min than Maxing because you are building based on vibes and flavor without being a good mix of being functional and flavorful

[lone zinc]

Thats on your dm brah

[grizzled lance]

Yeah but again objectively speaking like if your character is built around fighting in a game where there isn’t much fighting are you really the best

[crimson gulch]

What?

[crystal latch]

10 because the reach increase from bugbear only applies on your turn

[dark pewter]

This sounds like something you should bring up to your table if you feel this way

[lone zinc]

Participate in rp minimal, combat maximal

[crystal latch]

You can just build around everything though?

[grim nimbus]

Sounds like that I'm was playing favorites

[dark pewter]

D&D is supposed to be collaborative, not competitive and show-stealing

[restive blade]

That’s a bit weird, so it’s normally 15 but 10 on an enemy’s turn then, right?

[crimson gulch]

Roleplay shouldn't stop when initiative is rolled, some of the most intense moments of rp are only possible in combat

[grizzled lance]

What Zeke said

[prime pewter]

Moreso the player took advantage of a new dm

[grizzled lance]

I hate plays like that

[grim nimbus]

Good example I like to RP if I use vicious mockery gotta come up with a good isnulte to do damage

Insult

[lone zinc]

Im specifically talking about how when your character in combat offs like 3 npcs while the rest collectively struggles to off 2, ur considered to be “stealing the spotlight”

[grim nimbus]

I can't spell today I apologize

[grizzled lance]

One thing I did was when I use conjure animals I made them raptor and always screamed “scary monsters” at the top of my lungs

[crimson gulch]

What? No

[dark pewter]

Yeah, it sounds like your table had/has a problem that needs to be discussed

[lone zinc]

It happens

[grizzled lance]

I like summoning monsters to deal with my problem sn

[dark pewter]

The table either hasn't set down the expectations for the game clearly enough, or there's a serious gap in communication that could be solved by talking to your party

[prime pewter]

That does seem to be your fault tho

[lone zinc]

How

[burnt valley]

Technically yes, since there are no concrete rules on skill checks (save dcs being unclear)

[prime pewter]

(Or needs clearer expectations)

[grim nimbus]

That's even worse holy shit

[crimson gulch]

Sounds like your group is not very fun

[grim nimbus]

Like I'm a newer DM still learning by running one shots

[grizzled lance]

The DCS are set by the dm

[grim nimbus]

So that would anger me to no end of someone tried to do that to me

[prime pewter]

Oh also!

[lone zinc]

It usually relates to those high rp low combat no min max tables

[prime pewter]

He somehow convinced the dm that dragonborns could cast polymorph! Which he treated like shapechange

[grizzled lance]

Polymorph is literally stuck to animals but alright

[grim nimbus]

Sounds like someone you would hear on a reddit DND horror story video ngl

[dark pewter]

It just sounds like you joined a table with different expectations, and didn't get to have the fun you were looking for. Not every table will fit every player, and it can take time to find the right group for you

[burnt valley]

What class were they

[prime pewter]

Fighter

[glossy otter]

Mind if I ask the context? Pardon me, just checking all this now

[lone zinc]

Are u talking to me bro

[grizzled lance]

WHAT

[burnt valley]

DM let this happen, they were sandbagging

[grizzled lance]

Fighting casting polymorph 😭

[dark pewter]

Yes, sorry, missed the reply click

[burnt valley]

I will believe you if they were a spellcaster

[crimson gulch]

Gotta get you a dm that runs all 3 pillars of the games, social, combat and exploration

[knotty pasture]

The 2014 optimization joke is that if you multiclass anything with level 17 chronurgy wizard, its automatically the best regardless of how much it "makes sense" to multiclass into wizard

[lone zinc]

Me?

[prime pewter]

I'm still friends with the dm and they have apologized for their actions

[grim nimbus]

Well that's good at least

[grizzled lance]

Chro isn’t even first party content.. I feel like a Lot of people forget that

[burnt valley]

they're not even using the ideal systems for it too lmao

[knotty pasture]

It falls under official content, def not third party at least

Even if it has 3rd party origins

[lone zinc]

Yeah they be advertising pathfinder 2e/1e saying that

[grizzled lance]

It’s literally critical role and in the 3rd party section wdym

[glossy otter]

It's weird because it both is and isn't an official book. Beyond calls it a 3rd party book but it was a partnered book

[grim nimbus]

@lone zinc you just gotta keep looking man you'll eventually find a group that you vibe with and includes everything and don't make you feel judged for how you like to play

[crystal latch]

Chron is in Explorer's Guide to Wildemount which is a 1st-party book

[lone zinc]

Thanks man

Or woman

[crystal latch]

The 3rd party book is Tal'dorei Campaign Setting Reborn

[knotty pasture]

Its an official WotC sourcebook, published by WotC

[grim nimbus]

You had it right the first time 😂

[knotty pasture]

Its a grey area but since WotC published it and didn't call it UA or homebrew etc its official

[glossy otter]

Though that does remind me, I wonder when Wotc will reveal the books for this year

[knotty pasture]

But DMs are perfectly justified in banning mechanics from the book (Dunamancy spells)

[long thicket]

I love Eberron

[umbral girder]

December 30th /jk

[grizzled lance]

Oh damn explorers is official didn’t know they

[umbral girder]

It isn’t.

[burnt valley]

it is a problem when they ban it mid campaign though

[grim nimbus]

Have y'all ever had dms like straight out ban base classes?

[umbral girder]

The Forge of the Artificer is the official Eberron book we got

[long thicket]

I hope it would be about Eberron

[grizzled lance]

If you look in publisher under 2014 it says “official”

[lone zinc]

Some guy banned hexblade

[umbral girder]

We got it last month.

[severe rampart]

I am fully out of my mind and too inattentive for DnD, which I have a session for in 1 hour and 15 minutes, what do I do

[knotty pasture]

I know a table that didn't outright ban Warlock but made sure that all NPCs will discriminate against Warlocks in their world so if you ran Warlock you're done for

[burnt valley]

Gritty, grounded realistic games banning spellcasters

[umbral girder]

Wait not even last month. Two months ago.

[small heath]

Ignus

[glossy otter]

My only theories is ravenloft, dark sun, a tasha's/xanathar styled book and a venger module

[grizzled lance]

Library rule set source books Wildmount is under official instead of partnered

[long thicket]

More)))

[umbral girder]

Anyway I’d rather see them try out other settings. Those Dark Sun subclasses in the UA makes me want to see a Dark Sun book

[grizzled lance]

Playable gnolls was not in my bingo card of dnd 2026

[umbral girder]

Or a Ravenloft touching on even more Domains they left out

[glossy otter]

That does remind me, I saw a rumour of the scrapped Vecna book, was it ever confirmed to be true?

[umbral girder]

Yes that is official because it was made and produce by WOTC .

[glossy otter]

Sithicus my beloved

[umbral girder]

Exploring Eberron is neither of those.

[crimson gulch]

Yep, I left the table

[minor cargo]

A lot of groups will understand that sometimes you just aren't in the right headspace to play. They understand that health and wellbeing comes before game night.

I would suggest just messaging your group to let them know what's going on and be gracious with their patience and understanding.

[umbral girder]

Exploring Eberron is a reprint and minor update of a book that came out 6 years ago.

[grizzled lance]

I was talking about Explores guide not exploring

[grim nimbus]

I once had a dm ban collage of lore bards specifically I begrudgingly went back to my old ways as a rouge and made a (can't remember how to spell the name but the crow people) named rasper he liked shinny things

[valid geyser]

explorer's guide to wildemount is an official wotc published book

[knotty pasture]

Lore Bard bans? Psh, just go Eloquence Bard instead, ez

[severe rampart]

the crow people

[glossy otter]

Kenku?

[crimson gulch]

If a dm.is banning anything from the players handbook, I'm out

[grizzled lance]

Kenku

[long thicket]

I mean, they do like one book about Eberron and then forgot about it till the next edition

[umbral girder]

Personally I don’t ban official classes unless it’s very setting dependent.

I usually make a handout of builds that really match the campaign setting and offer it to the players.

[umbral girder]

5e has two Eberron books

[molten widget]

Lore bard is a stupid bard to ban fr ban eloquence or creation or valor bard before a lore bard

[lone zinc]

Is 6e out

[glossy otter]

Tbh the only bans I see being reasonable are very setting specific races/backgrounds or ones that don't fit the worldview

[knotty pasture]

Eh? Valor Bard isn't op at all and frankly I'd be a bit weirded out if Valor Bard was banned before Lore and Eloquence

[valid geyser]

also forge of the artificer should barely count as a full book. It's advertised and priced as an additive to rising and also the obligatory artificer redo

[crystal latch]

I don't ban classes, I generally only ban infinite loops and otherwise run as close to RAW as possible

[long thicket]

Which is twice as much as 2024, but still not that much.

[knotty pasture]

Creation's a lot more manageable if you stop stupid tech that happens bc of Creation

[grizzled lance]

Why do people ban eloquence it’s not as strong as people might think I mean yeah the ability to never roll below a 10 is awesome

[umbral girder]

Forge of the Artificer and Rising of the Last War is the 2 books

[glossy otter]

I'm just wondering when my man Venger is gonna get his book because they hyped it up a while ago, but after the vecna rumours I wouldn't be surprised if it got slashed

[umbral girder]

2024 is not a new edition as a reminder.

[crystal latch]

Eloquence is one of the top two bards

[crimson gulch]

About 10 years away

[umbral girder]

Imagine if they made an entire Realm setting book.

[grizzled lance]

Why

[umbral girder]

Based entirely on the show.

[grizzled lance]

It’s second ability is just lore bard but no one has immunity to it

[crystal latch]

The ability to impose penalties on enemy saving throws with your insp dice

[glossy otter]

I mean it'd be cool, but Venger was moved to FR

[molten widget]

2014 no 2024 valor is gross like actually busted

[grizzled lance]

Lore bard but no one has immunity to it like I said

[umbral girder]

Was he?

[crystal latch]

Yeah it's that good

[umbral girder]

Because I know those kids showed up in 3 different settings in the one shots

[glossy otter]

He's noted in a segment about epic villains in the realms and has art in the players FR guide

[umbral girder]

I think. I need to reread Uni adventures

[valid geyser]

i really gotta ask how so

[crystal latch]

I'd put (2014) Lore at #1 as bards go, though that is pretty much purely because of the level 6 feature

[grizzled lance]

But how/why is that ban worthy

[valid geyser]

cutting words is also pretty nice

[glossy otter]

Though I won't lie, it furthers my theory that he and the red wizards are going to team up

[umbral girder]

Cutting words is very nice

The new book talked about the fall of Szass Tam

[crystal latch]

It's not, I was contesting the point about it not being as strong as people think

[umbral girder]

Imagine if Venger just fully replaced Szass Tam.

[molten widget]

They have the ability if built right to do minimum 2k+ damage in one round they have the most damage per round in the game now

[grizzled lance]

But it’s not that’s like banning gloam stalker for being “too strong”

[valid geyser]

please, enlighten me on how

[umbral girder]

Sounds like homebrew foolery

[glossy otter]

I mean he is a shapeshifter, it wouldn't be impossible to think he would try to temporarily usurp the lich

[crystal latch]

I think it's very strong but not ban worthy because if we ban everything above Eloquence bard we're left with almost no fullcasters

[molten widget]

Watch the YouTube video idk my players did it it relays on the fact that you can cast any spell and attack not just a cantrip

[grizzled lance]

I still refuse to believe that doing 500 damage is impossible using first party content

[grizzled lance]

Dude please stop watching YouTube for dnd info 😭

[molten widget]

Nahh it’s easy in2024

[grizzled lance]

It’s not through

[tall forge]

Sylunes viper is kinda crazy

[knotty pasture]

Just to confirm its 500 not 50 damage right

[grizzled lance]

500

[tall forge]

If im reading this right

[knotty pasture]

A Tarrasque's like ~670 hp

[crystal latch]

At what level? 500 burst damage is not particularly high in tier 4, but it's solid in tier 3

[knotty pasture]

You're saying that two Valor Bards can just delete a Tarrasque in 1 turn

[crimson gulch]

489 is the record for one strike in one of my games with the new epic boon from the forgotten realms book that maximizes radiant damage

[grizzled lance]

Until I see it in game I still don’t think doing 500 damage is possible with all the rules being checked using base rules

[tall forge]

I mean, its easy depending how you count it

[crystal latch]

Level 17+ fullcasters basically do as much damage as they want so it is possible

[grizzled lance]

Break down the math on how doing 500 damage is “easy”

[tall forge]

Would AOE’ing 200 rats count

[grizzled lance]

I mean to 1 creature

[small heath]

Question: what is the most creative interpretation of a character you've seen in your own campaigns? I'm talking about someone who played a character's class or species (or both) to a degree that it was amazing to watch.

[tall forge]

Does it need to be 1 single attack?

[grizzled lance]

Yeah

[molten widget]

All my players powerbuilding

[still plover]

Why don't we hear the specifics of the method used, or move on? Otherwise this is less a discussion and more a lot of, "can not!" "Can too!"

[crimson gulch]

I did over 500 damage at level 8 as a cleric with turn undead in a swarm of undead. Aoe can stack those numbers

[tall forge]

Ok

[pliant sapphire]

Using pure RAW rules sure you can find specific not intended combos to deal a lot of damage

[grizzled lance]

Legitimate just said to 1 creature

[valid geyser]

i guess i found the apparent thing and it is just conjure minor elementals plus dual wielding stuff

[molten widget]

The time my players summoned 10,000 bats

[dark pewter]

Yeah, gonna be honest, I don't see a way that Valor can output any sort of four-digit damage

[molten widget]

2024 not 2014

[umbral girder]

Maybe they think you can spam spells with extra attack

[grizzled lance]

It’s not possible to 1 shot a tarrasque

[crimson gulch]

5th level divine smite, plus spending all your hit dice on the sword from bigsbys, plus eldrich smite on a nat 20 and the radiant damage epic boon on a paladin 1 warlock 19 is huge

[molten widget]

OH IT IS

[grizzled lance]

No it’s not

[dark pewter]

For either version, yeah

[umbral girder]

Or think Action Surge still works with spellcasting (it doesn’t)

[valid geyser]

also i havent watched dungeon dudes in years how are people making 45 minute videos on a single subclass wow

[long thicket]

I still think all those "1000 damage per turn" optimizer's guides only work because their GM doesn't know the rules enough to explain to them why it won't work

[molten widget]

Just not by damage lol

[tall forge]

Assasin rogue + grave cleric can do about 300 ish

[small heath]

"Hey DM, I Wish this Terrasque just dies infront of us and can't be revived."

[grizzled lance]

It’s impossible to do 675 damage

[tall forge]

I think thats the max

[grizzled lance]

Your wish fizzles out

[molten widget]

No true polymorph into a diamond then cast revivify

[umbral girder]

Fun fact that has been a thing in previous editions.

[dark pewter]

Valor gets a cantrip a turn with their attacks, or a spell followed by an attack

[umbral girder]

Doesnt work amusingly

[tall forge]

Then if you add poison it does even more

[valid geyser]

from what i saw for valor bar damage it's big but not four digits insane. Like, 187 if all your attacks hit for a level 16 bard

[grizzled lance]

The 764 creature immune to poison damage:

[crystal latch]

If you true polymorph your simulacrum into an atropal you can create a permanently controlled wraith minion every 36 seconds, basically nonstop. +2400 wraiths per day.

[umbral girder]

The rule was “a Tarrasque at -50HP with a Wish spell for it to die might work.”

[tall forge]

Ok so, 300 damage still doable at least

[molten widget]

Don’t tell my player

[grizzled lance]

i said 500 damage to 1 creature

[tall forge]

Assasin rogue plus grave cleric, auto crit plus vulnerability plus double damage

[molten widget]

Glyph of warding makes it possible

[tall forge]

You said no poison, adding extra rules randomly kinda makes this impossible

[umbral girder]

Unless it’s the same spell. Cannot be effected by the same type of spell at the same time

[grizzled lance]

Wrong glyph of warding can’t be moved even if you put it in a book

[umbral girder]

Also yes you cannot move a glyph no mater what

[molten widget]

Cast it in a book in a bag of holding in in one dimension it’s never moving ong depends on dm but every dm even me I’ve played with has allowed it if it’s in another dimension

[umbral girder]

Also fails.

[grizzled lance]

Still can’t be moved

[molten widget]

Explain how not

[umbral girder]

The bag of holding is not 1 dimension. It’s an extra dimensional space so it’s the same dimension you are in

[grizzled lance]

Read the spell

[umbral girder]

So it still moves, you just made the inside slightly bigger, not a new dimension

[crystal latch]

With one atropal producing wraiths you kill 10.6 tarrasques per round after one day, 21.2 after two days, 31.8 after three days and so on

[valid geyser]

I’d say it’s at the very least ambiguous since there aren’t many rules for extra dimensional spaces

[grizzled lance]

That’s not in 1 attack

[molten widget]

Oh ok leomunds tiny chest

[umbral girder]

Sage Advice fixed it up last I checked

[valid geyser]

Which means it’s up to dm interpretation, which any normal one is gonna say no to

[crystal latch]

A bag of holding is an extradimensional space, I don't think there's a legitimate argument for it not being treated as separate from the plane you're on

[umbral girder]

DMG says Demiplanes and planes are infinite distance away from each other. Putting it there would break the 10ft movement clause because it’s infinite distance

[grizzled lance]

^^^

Moving a glyph of warding by any means is impossible RAW

[crystal latch]

Putting a glyph on an item already in a BoH should work

[umbral girder]

So either it’s an extra dimensional space so it breaks on movement, or it’s sent to another plane/Demiplane and breaks automatically

[crimson gulch]

Nah you can move them easily, they just break when you do

[grizzled lance]

Exactly so blowing up the giant monster isn’t possible

[valid geyser]

Teleporting doesn’t count as movement though

[molten widget]

See again D&D isn’t always about the rules tho it’s about the fun and the story cuz every dm has their own rules that is a rule in D&D dungeonmaster is able to override any rule cuz a lot of rules in 5e are kinda dumb and vague

[hollow stone]

i don't think it's actually movement, but rather, any effect in which the result is it exiting a 20 foot zone it was created in

[umbral girder]

Yeah that can help you in #homebrew

[crimson gulch]

It's not about movement, it's about being more than 10 feet from where it was cast

[grizzled lance]

This is literally about me saying In base dnd it’s impossible to do 500 damage in 1 turn to a single creature

Cause it literally is

[molten widget]

Yeah also one of my players cast glyph of warding as a trap since they knew where the tarrasque was sleeping and they cast about 250 glyphs of fireball so yeah nah they did over 500 damage

[grizzled lance]

Why do you think there’s no such thing as a d20 damage dice

[molten widget]

It’s still possible just situational

[hollow stone]

i mean Bags of Holding are pocket dimensions iirc, so making a Glyph of Warding in a Bag of Holding would mean that it isn't moving relative to the space it exists in, but rather, the exit to the portal it passes through is moving through space

[buoyant oar]

I have a lot of issues with 5e and it's DM support in the rules. But, 5e is only vague often if you are only allergic to reading the rules in their entirety and not just skimming them.

[grizzled lance]

Tarrasque are immune to fire damage

[crystal latch]

If you want to do it specifically in one attack, my best guess would be that you should start out by using moonbite tech

[molten widget]

Not in 2024

[valid geyser]

Maybe? The term used in the phb is moved. Might be a different case to moving as in spending move speed

[umbral girder]

Tarrasque is immune to fire

[molten widget]

A lot of monsters lost their immunities in 2024

[stark maple]

Damage Immunities Poison, Fire

[grizzled lance]

Just wrong gang

[tall forge]

If you use assasin rogue lvl 17 with grave cleric max damage roll it

Thats 9d6 + 1d8+5 (no +1,2,3 weapons)
Max damage thats 129 damage (auto crit surprise round)

Now you double it for assasin rogue 17th feature

Vulnerable for grave cleric feature

Thats 496 damage

Add in any magic item it does enough

[umbral girder]

Yes it is. It is immune to fire.

[buoyant oar]

Here is a link.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/5195232-tarrasque?srsltid=AfmBOoo54njIZis2Ja6glr95xO1Z0ifQuR4BO2O-Ja7fz270XCVC1Z92

[tall forge]

THEORETICALLY, its possible to do 500

[crimson gulch]

. If the surface or object is moved more than 10 feet from where you cast this spell, the glyph is broken, and the spell ends without being triggered

[umbral girder]

Immunities: Fire, Poison,

[still plover]

The big thing I think you're missing here is this server isn't your table, your group. What works for you when you play isn't matching up with what the million folk here expect from reading the game. If you're having fun doing what you're doing, that's brilliant, carry on! But you can't expect everyone else to share your own personal frame of reference.

[grizzled lance]

Your trying to surprise a tarrasque with 120ft of blindsight

[umbral girder]

The first immunity it has listed in fact.

[tall forge]

You asked me to do math to do 500 damage in one attack

Thats literally all the info i had, now i know theyre immune to poison and are a tarrasque

[limber trail]

tarrasques don't do anywhere near 500 damage in one attack

[tall forge]

The monster thats being attacked is a tarrasque*

[molten widget]

Ahhh he was a wizard of the scribes so he cast it as a different damage i think lightning I forgot they could do that but yeah

[limber trail]

ah I see

[crystal latch]

In short, be a race that has a natural bite attack and use the funny wheel in Sigil (Turn of Fortune's Wheel module) to become a quasi-deity, the lowest divine rank
DMG improvised damage states that the jaws of a godlike creature do 24d10 damage
We are a godlike creature by virtue of being an actual god
Bhaal cultists in BGDiA have an aura granting piercing vulnerability within 5 feet, we can make such cultists with True Polymorph.
24d10 average is 132, 264 with a crit, 528 with the vulnerability we're applying

[molten widget]

I think that’s the only reason it worked

[tall forge]

Either way i already made the math which is that it was max damage, i just gotta bs it and say you roll a crit instead

[crystal latch]

With no extra effort we can have a 5% chance of going over 500 damage with a single attack

[grizzled lance]

I doubt you’d get the auto crit

[umbral girder]

Glyph casts the spell instead of the player, can't apply class features to it

[tall forge]

Dude theres way bigger issues than rolling a 5% chance here, i did math that youd have to roll max damage on every single dice

[umbral girder]

Its why concentration spells on Glyphs are super strong

[molten widget]

Oh I ruled it as since the spell is being cast into it cuz it still uses the spell slot to cast into the glyph you could

[buoyant oar]

Dear Oghma Lord of Knowledge,

Long time, no prayer. If I could ask a tiny favor it's that after their first couple of intro sessions. That players are encouraged to actually read the hand books and not rely on assumptions or their personal Game Master. Game Masters, can alter the game. Yes I know, but the reference frame should be the book. Thanks.

Your boy, Kas

[umbral girder]

Spells are not casted into it, they are stored into it.

[grizzled lance]

• you’d use your action to use your channel so no attack for you

[tall forge]

Again, you asked me to do math to show its possible to do 500 damage in one attack

Not to make it viable

[grizzled lance]

But it’s not cause there’s no attack to be done

So you failed in the end

[molten widget]

I still ruled it as suck for fun

[valid geyser]

If it has a bite attack in its statblock, wouldn’t that mean you couldn’t improvise damage for it? Like I get this is purely hypothetial but that is some conclusion to jump to

[hollow stone]

upd: in 2024, they aren't extradimensional spaces by explicit, just noneuclidean geometry, and because of this lack of explicit-ness, now includes the bag of holding in a bag of holding bug

[molten widget]

Damn even worse

[grizzled lance]

A bag inside a bag still makes a portal to the astral plane

[tall forge]

Get a different cleric to do it

[umbral girder]

When destroyed yes.

[grizzled lance]

You’d still have to surprise tarrasque which isn’t possible

[tall forge]

You dont

[grizzled lance]

For the auto crit? You do

You legit said it yourself

[tall forge]

Just roll a regular crit then

[hollow stone]

it doesn't, actually! the rule is "if the bag of holding enters an extradimensional space created by another item", but the bag of holding is at no point called an extradimensional space

[tall forge]

Again, the max damage roll is way more insane

[grizzled lance]

• the new tarrasque has a +28 to int so I doubt you’d go first

[tall forge]

Again, you can just roll a normal crit

[grizzled lance]

again where is the crit coming from

[limber trail]

I'm shocked they got away with 500 3rd+ level spells actually, just thinking about it

[tall forge]

By…. Rolling a 20

Like most crits are gotten

[grizzled lance]

Your outta your mind lmao

[tall forge]

You asked for the math, i gave it

[grizzled lance]

I asked for a realistic way to do 500 damage to 1 monster and you said “get lucky”

Fat chance

[undone rain]

A nuke

[tall forge]

Never said realistic

[hollow stone]

it cannot be placed inside of any extradimensional space items, but because of the inspecificity of this new description, it can still be placed in extradimensional spaces of spells (i.e. Rope Trick, Imprisonment) and inside of another instance of itself

2024 of Holding exploded in a very expensive way.

[grizzled lance]

Also if your rouge is doing bludgeoning or splashing or piercing your damage would just be normal since the new toque is just resistant to normal BPS

[tall forge]

Changing goalpoasts again but ok

[valid geyser]

The handy haversack’s description refers to the bag as an extra dimensions space

[grizzled lance]

And last time I checked rogue can’t change its damage type unless it uses a certain type of weapon

[grizzled lance]

I literally brought up that tarrasque are immune to poison

So if you do the math the vulnerability would be turned into neutral

And you said it yourself the rogue didn’t have any magic items

[tall forge]

Again, this is the original statement here

Thats when i joined the convo

[hollow stone]

oh, it does, that's... really weird, actually, but at least it patches the bug

[grizzled lance]

And the Tarrasque was the test subject..

[tall forge]

Not gonna be backreading context my man, idk what to tell you other than i replied to that exact statement

[grizzled lance]

You legit.. said that “I didn’t know tarrasque are immune to posion 😭

[umbral girder]

Didn't scroll a handfull of messages up?

[tall forge]

Nope

[tall forge]

Literally didnt but ok 👍

[grizzled lance]

Someone else must have then

[hollow stone]

does anybody have a definition for an "extradimensional space", or more specifically if moving the opening to it quantifies as moving the items within it?

[tall forge]

I said i now KNOW the creature youre speaking about is immune to poison

And a tarrasque

[grizzled lance]

My point is killing a Tarrasque in one turn is impossible

[tall forge]

2024 yesnt

[grizzled lance]

The new one especially

[tall forge]

Pure raw*

[grizzled lance]

I mean damage alone sherlock

[meager fractal]

Probably not impossible. Just highly (highly) unlikely

[tall forge]

you could have a set up

[grizzled lance]

Set up how?

[limber trail]

“Impossible”? No, but incredibly incredibly difficult and only really possible in those weird white box scenarios that are never going to come up in an actual well adjusted game

[tall forge]

Theres a lot of setup

Ans you cant do it alone

[still plover]

My vote, no. The space is not integral to the exterior container.

[grizzled lance]

Y’all ain’t killing a Tarrasque in 1 turn gang

[limber trail]

If you cast enough glyphs of warding you can

[grizzled lance]

No matter which way you put it

[limber trail]

Which requires so much time and no DM will ever allow

But it is physically possible on a mechanics level

[grizzled lance]

You still can’t move a glyph of warding

[umbral girder]

Yes its in the same plane as you just extending the space. It was in a saage advice or the 2014 DMG last I checked

[grizzled lance]

If it moves more then 10 feet it’s fine

[burnt valley]

One thousand commoners with silvered longbows wins

[grizzled lance]

It’s resistance to piercing damage

And the commoners would have disadvantage

[umbral girder]

Why?

[hollow stone]

oh extradimensional space is the same as noneuclidean geometry, okei, thx u!!! :D

[grizzled lance]

As it’s a heavy weapon

[burnt valley]

It is possible with set up at Tier 3, doesn't matter in Tier 4 tho since u win

[pliant sapphire]

and they only hit with crits

[umbral girder]

Got it.

[grizzled lance]

Still only.. 200d8

[umbral girder]

Disadvantage so less than that

so less than 5%.

[grizzled lance]

And again it’s still resistance

[stoic haven]

Extradimensional space

[pliant sapphire]

Thats like 900 average damage

[grizzled lance]

If it’s move more the 10ft in any way shape or form it’s dust

[umbral girder]

wait 5% of 1000 is 50 not 200. Critis double dice so its only 100d8.

[burnt valley]

893 damage btw, even if halved, it dies

[stoic haven]

inside an extra dimensional space it doesn't move

[grizzled lance]

That still counts as movement to the glyph

[umbral girder]

Wait this is a tarrasque right? Silvered weapons don't do anything to it's resistances.

[stoic haven]

that's why Genie warlock is stupid with glyphs of warding

[grizzled lance]

Yeah

[stoic haven]

no, it doesn't, because it is not on the same plane

[grizzled lance]

The commoners are getting whipped out of the field

[umbral girder]

Silvered weapons only bypass specific monsters (devils, vampires, and werewolf) BPS resistance and immunity. not all of them.

[grizzled lance]

^

[empty thicket]

My 5 tieflings rogues and the Fighter that go with them would say the opposite /J

[grizzled lance]

Alright now how would you get the glyph “out” of the space with out moving it

[empty thicket]

nope, but magic weapons do, any +1 weapon surpass the resistance

[stoic haven]

You go into the extradimensional space

(Usually best with genie warlock vessel)

[grizzled lance]

I’m talking about the new Tarrasque

[umbral girder]

Extra dimensional space is the same plane as the person holding it.

[hollow stone]

according to Nealen, it is within the same plane, just noneuclidean geometry

[umbral girder]

Its just stretching out the space around you. You might be thinking of Demiplanes.

[empty thicket]

oh there is a new one? damn, what it have of new the non pacific beast?

[grizzled lance]

Where it can kill a commoner with a thunderous bellow

[stoic haven]

Oh maybe, I might be

[umbral girder]

If it was a different plane a lot of spells and monsters destroy the item from working.

[elder holly]

Yeah it's cool

[umbral girder]

Like a Demilich's regional effects for example.

[grizzled lance]

People think they can kill it via glyph of warding nuke

[umbral girder]

Or the entire setting of Ravenloft

[grizzled lance]

Not to mention that it has 6 legendary resistances

[stoic haven]

You can, but unlikely

[elder holly]

I don't think sooo

[elder holly]

What you think?

[rancid coral]

Hello

[umbral girder]

But yeah you cannot move a Glyph without breaking it

[grizzled lance]

Literally impossible it has 25 ac +18 to initiative 697 hp 6 LR reflective carapace

[stoic haven]

unless you have a huge area of planning and making Glyph's of warding against the Tarrasque

[blissful ibex]

Use Circle Cast additional duration Delayed Blast Fireball nuke instead

[grizzled lance]

Its immune to fire still

[blissful ibex]

aww

[hollow stone]

let's say, hypothetically, you fill an entire house with decks of 52 cards and each are scribed with a Glyph of Warding, all primed so that should the physical structure of the house grow compromised that they detonate, you could nuke it, but by the ways of chronologicity, physicality, transport, and geometry, you can't actually produce a situation where a house is absolutely filled with the cards

[rancid coral]

How do I play DND? ;-;

[blissful ibex]

can change the damage type with sorcerer at least

[grizzled lance]

Actually yes

[pliant sapphire]

Transmute the spell to cold

[grizzled lance]

I guess that could work but still legendary resistance

[hollow stone]

you would also need to lure the tarrasque over there, which would be challenging, but not impossible

[umbral girder]

So long as they stay 10ft of where they were casted that works.

[grizzled lance]

And magic resistance

[stoic haven]

Make glyphs everywhere around an open area and make higher ranged spells further out and closer spells near the middle

[umbral girder]

Class features notably do not effect stored spells. So only only the Glyph's explosion feature it would work

[stoic haven]

It is quite possible, but in a whitebox

[grizzled lance]

If the spell is an attack roll it fails to do anything to the monster

[stoic haven]

use saves

[elder holly]

You are right, I have the huge model of the Tarrasque, wanna see?

[grizzled lance]

Magic resistance

[stoic haven]

And?

[grizzled lance]

Legendary resistance

[umbral girder]

The glyph casts the spell, which is really strong for concentration spells, but also blocks some features from working with it.

[stoic haven]

Advantage still isn't gauranteed, and 6 LR is easy to bypass on the scale we are going

[grizzled lance]

It has has a minimum of +5 to its lowest save

[blissful ibex]

I mean, half of 14,422d6 is still probably enough to kill it

[twilit summit]

What are the other good places to search for a campaign?

[grizzled lance]

You’d have to maintain con saves when it can just eat you or roar

[rancid coral]

Does that mean You roll 14,422 d6 dice?

[grizzled lance]

Also one of its legendary actions forces you to stop concentration on a spell

[stoic haven]

Make a 60 ft radius circle of glyphs of hold monster or other control effects

[blissful ibex]

r/lfg on reddit, your friendly LGS, other discord servers dedicated to posting games, etc.

[stoic haven]

ok?, glyphs can't end concentration or make con saves

[grizzled lance]

So again delayed blast fire ball is useless n

[blissful ibex]

You charge up before initiating ideally, though that's highly unlikely
especially seeing as it requires an entire day of charge if you want the full 14,422d6 damage

[stoic haven]

Also, I would politely like to not be told to shut up, thank you

[hollow stone]

yea, thus the house, it insulates them against wind and is static and is a structure, which a tarrasque deals double damage to

[umbral girder]

Could also put a rock on top of it.

[grizzled lance]

So your gonna spend days setting down glyphs to stop a monster that can move faster then you

[stoic haven]

That's the thing

[grizzled lance]

You’d need 8 casters for that to work

[umbral girder]

Also yeah Glyphs take 1 hour to cast

[blissful ibex]

7 of them only need level 1 spell slots, easy enough to use hirelings

[stoic haven]

You keep saying it is inherently impossible, however, it is not, just no way you are doing it in a campaign

[grizzled lance]

That’s still 8 casters

[grizzled lance]

Cause realistically is it

[stoic haven]

So I am arguing against your original argument, which is inherently a white room argument

[valid geyser]

I mean I don’t think realistic possibility matters that much for this discussion

[stoic haven]

Now realistically, I agree that it is nigh impossible to kill in 1 turn

[sage granite]

[grizzled lance]

Your entire argument is just “set up 5 billion glyphs are warding”

[stoic haven]

Yup, because it still follows the basis of the argument laid forth

[sage granite]

do we need to be arguing?

[stoic haven]

This is what I am arguing against

[grizzled lance]

I feel like if your rolling ini it’s a little too late

[stoic haven]

not arguing as moreso debating

[grizzled lance]

Also again if you put it like that it just spam thunderous bellow from 150ft away over and over

[twilit summit]

What's LGS?

[blissful ibex]

Local Game Store; also check libraries, boardgame caffes, and community centers

[harsh hinge]

The doc linked in my bio has a bunch of options.

[stoic haven]

unless its going multiple turns, which the basis was 1 turn

[limber trail]

Is this tarrasque conversation still ongoing

[grizzled lance]

Indeed it was but again you can’t even set up a glyph in 1 turn

[stoic haven]

prefight

[grizzled lance]

There’s a pre fight?

[stoic haven]

but a tarrasque doing bellow isn't prefight

[grizzled lance]

Ehh debatable

[stoic haven]

before initiative, if you plan for it, you can

[limber trail]

The premise was based on someone talking about their wizard dealing 500 damage because of a pre fight glyph spam

[grizzled lance]

I refuse to take that as a proper answer it’s just silly

[stoic haven]

But I do not believe that this conversation is going anywhere productive, so I am going to remove myself from it

[grizzled lance]

Besides the max amount you can set up in a day is 8

[tall forge]

Meteor swarm plus cleric of grave plus max damage roll =480 max damage

[twilit summit]

Where can I use serverscout?

[grizzled lance]

Immune to fire damage still

[tall forge]

Forgot about it being a tarrasque ngl, im at work

[hollow stone]

it would, in fact, take an entire campaign to prepare the necessary count of Glyphs

[grizzled lance]

Exactly it’s so silly I refuse to accept as a proper answer

[humble ether]

What is the newish spell that means all ranged attacks against you are at disadvantage?

[harsh hinge]

It's a website (https://pnpnews.de/list-of-english-speaking-ttrpg-discord-servers/).

[tall forge]

But sorceror it into a different damage type

[grizzled lance]

Proning your self smirk

[hollow stone]

you can handle a Tarrasque if it fumbles a roll against Imprisonment

[grizzled lance]

LR also takes a minute to cast

[tall forge]

So, actually

[humble ether]

It’s for a flying character, so that would end… poorly

[hollow stone]

oh right Legendary Resistances

[tall forge]

Yeah 480 damage is doable by a lvl 17 wizard 3 sorceror

With a grave cleric helping

[grizzled lance]

It can only be hit by 1 metor at a time

As stated in the Meteor swarm spell

[stoic haven]

Then you are not learning anything or actually seeing this as a valuable conversation. The basis you originally laid out has been disproved multiple times, and twisting it now to try and invalidate the answer is just straw man fallacy

[umbral girder]

A very, very lucky level 20 Fighter with GWM, Storm Giant belt, and a Vorpal sword can do 500+ damage on a single target in 1 turn.

[grizzled lance]

I literally just said it’s impossible to kill a tarrasque by yourself

[umbral girder]

How lucky? 9 Natural 20s in a row. Not critical hits. Natural 20s.

[grizzled lance]

You have the argument that a wizard with all the free time in the world could set up a mind field for a tarrasque to run through

[undone rain]

This is still going on

[tall forge]

Disintegrate can do 308, im sure theres ways to do higher

[grizzled lance]

Saving throw

[still plover]

Not my minefield, not my terrasque.

[tall forge]

Ok are we going to just keep adding stuff to make it impossible?

[grizzled lance]

Disintergate is a saving throw

[umbral girder]

Since Vorpal's bonus damage is only on a 20 on the dice

[tall forge]

Ok, make the tarrasque use up its legendary resistances beforehand

[grizzled lance]

Not to mention just putting down 10 glyphs of warding is around 1000 gold pieces

[tall forge]

Get a monk to do it

[grizzled lance]

None the less more

[pliant sapphire]

I can do 240 damage with a Tempest cleric, one channel divinity, one lvl 9 spell and a crit

[grizzled lance]

Not one shooting a giant monster through

[tall forge]

Bam add a grave cleric thats 480

Add in haste, do more damage

[umbral girder]

Also takes 10 hours for 10 Glyphs

Unless everyone in the party has the spell and the spells being stored of course

[stoic haven]

Yes, because it was an absolute statement that "You ain't killing a Tarrasque in 1 turn; No matter which way you put it" We have now said that there are theoretical instances in which you can, and you are changing the basis of the argument trying to invalidate the answers and saying they are "silly", which they are, but that is not what was laid down originally

[umbral girder]

Notably you cannot be effected of more than 1 instance of a spell either

[grizzled lance]

Can you store spells with a valuable cost?

[tall forge]

If you keep moving the goal posts, yeah you win the argument. But youre making a completely different argument at the end of this

[grizzled lance]

It’s cause it’s not possible if your being real

[tall forge]

Now its not “you cant never 1 shot a tarrasque”

Its “you cant 1 shot a tarrasque in one action when the tarrasque has all its legendary resistances and you have no way to prep at all”

[grizzled lance]

Pretty sure that’s implied

[stoic haven]

Being real wasn't a part of the original absolute, which is why we are not taking it

[tall forge]

No, you made an absolute statement, you cant go “well i implied it”

[minor cargo]

(Maybe it's time for a break?)

[umbral girder]

The original message was “with 1 attack”

[grizzled lance]

If it didn’t have its legendary resistance immunity and resistance it might as well just be a big pile of hit points

[burnt valley]

casual players/dms with the art of moving goalposts

where do i learn this power

[tall forge]

Original message i responded to said “with 1 attack” and had no mention of a tarrasque

[umbral girder]

So you missed an important part of the conversation

[grizzled lance]

Indeed

[undone rain]

Not from a casual player (im trynna make a star wars reference)

[tall forge]

🤷 maybe, not backtracking all that

[grizzled lance]

“I’m gonna butt in even through I don’t have all the context!!!”

[tall forge]

Yeah, its a public form my man

[grizzled lance]

[stoic haven]

However, it was still stated multipl;e times after that the absolute of not killing the Tarrasque, and multiple repetitive statements is what we are arguing against

[tall forge]

And i join in for fun inbetween rushes at work

Sue me ig 🤷

[undone rain]

You guys have been at this for like 20 minutes and have gotten nowhere just drop it already

[grizzled lance]

Your saying that if a wizard has 30000 gold and 30k worth of time they might be able to kill a giant monster

[humble ether]

Cacophonic Shield! That was it

[limber trail]

It’s been a good hour

[stoic haven]

This and the more recent one I am arguing against

[tall forge]

Technically the wish spell negates the cost

[stoic haven]

This is D&D, nearly anything is possible, and we are just going over RAW

[grizzled lance]

1

[undone rain]

Jeez how the hell has this gone on for an hour

[grizzled lance]

Not 30

[pliant sapphire]

Just Wish to kill the Tarrasque. Easy

[grizzled lance]

It wouldn’t work

[undone rain]

Who cares if you can or cant kill em we arent facing one rn are we? How about we drop it and move on to a more pleasant convo

Like how i got my ass handed to me by our sorcerer

[grizzled lance]

Fun fact about that in early editions you’d have to set the monster’s hp to zero then wish for to to stay dead

[undone rain]

Now that was fun

[grizzled lance]

A martial got beaten by a mage I’m so shocked

[undone rain]

In hand to hand combat

[grizzled lance]

Not that’s shocking but still not surprising

[undone rain]

Still funny

[tall forge]

Whats the sorceror?

[pliant sapphire]

Why not

[undone rain]

Oh hes a storm if i remember

[grizzled lance]

The old Tarrasque being immune to death has to be my favorite thing

[tall forge]

Howd you manage that one?

[undone rain]

Plus has claws because hes a dragonborn

And my rolls were lets just say not very good

[tall forge]

Low level i assume?

[undone rain]

We are level 5 so yeah

We did a pvp boxing match to get some extra coins lol

Not until we like killed each other, but until we reach 30 hp

[grizzled lance]

That’s the wrong one

[lethal kayak]

I’m finally going to be able to play for once

[grizzled lance]

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Back then casting wish also had a chance to KILL you

[fossil shuttle]

Anyone else think it's stupid that a Cleric or Paladin can't use their holy symbol to cast Ceremony? That's like telling a priest they can't use their cross in an exorcism and they have to throw $40,000 worth of glitter on the demon instead.

[grizzled lance]

Well yeah but that would kinda break the balance of the game as then they would get to use other spells that have costly components

[empty thicket]

i guess is more about using some sort of word ritual than just a symbol

[grizzled lance]

That too

[empty thicket]

think their power come from his belief, his will, inside of them

[grizzled lance]

I do think it’s funny that’s getting married can give you a +2 ac

[crystal latch]

+2 AC for a week, then someone has to die and get revived to reapply