dnd-discussion

[feral fulcrum]

Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they're stupid responses. If you're given legimate advice, there's no reason to be a jerk about it.

[woven flint]

They're gay too
Looks at the pride symbol beside their name

[vale sage]

im gay and trans LMAO

[woven flint]

Also, being called gay isn't anything to get offended over

[vale sage]

most dnd players i know are queer, thats the bit

[marble lion]

I smell sarcasm

[woven flint]

If you're gay, you know you're gay so why get offended?

[marble lion]

If theyre gay, yeah

[vale sage]

im talking about my group of (mostly) queer friends i play dnd with

[marble lion]

Whats bad about saying your 5 nerd friends are gay?

[lavish flame]

I mean like... social faux pas still exists, so tread with caution

[woven flint]

Barely any of my D&D friends are completely straight lol

[vale sage]

the overlap of theatre people and queer people is large, and the overlap of theatre people and dnd is even larger

in my experience

[tropic plank]

Idk I think several dudes sitting at a table and imaging themselves as hot demon women with magic n stuff is a perfectly straight activity

[lusty kelp]

What's that joke about genders auto-balancing within

[vale sage]

lots of my friends do theatre (i just do art :P) so you can imagine the type of group ive ended up with

[vale sage]

its something along the lines of "all my players at the start of my campaign were men, now we have half men and half women. the group has not changed."

[woven flint]

Elves are the best
Gender and Sexuality just don't matter to them, they exist and can just love to love

[vale sage]

ive always liked the idea of longer living beings having multiple identities over their lives

[wanton sorrel]

sorry but elfs live longer.... sure they might be beutiful... but as a human you then start to wonder the age.... high than great grandmother.

[tropic plank]

“Oh yeah I spent the first three hundred years of my life as a male, got bored of that and had a transmutation wizard make me a lady”

• imaginary genderfluid elf

[woven flint]

What's that gotta do with anything? Lol

[feral fulcrum]

eating good today.

[idle oar]

Stop the single character spam folks (this includes emojis/stickers/reacts not connected/inline with text)

[worn lagoon]

wth is this convo

[vale sage]

sometimes emojis are deleted if the "meaning isnt clear"

[wanton sorrel]

just think about it... going out with a elf that is 765 years old...

[idle oar]

And let's get back to discussing D&D

[vale sage]

i think the appeal is that you are going out with a near ancient being

[tropic plank]

Age gaps in fantasy are a very contemporary rabbit hole to go down

[lusty kelp]

I half expect that a good chunk of the moon druids of the world are in it just for the free body changing shinanigans.

[woven flint]

I think the Appeal is also that Elves are typically very wise creatures as well
Think of how much you can learn!

[tropic plank]

That does not seem like a dnd discussion

[vale sage]

hey, this isnt dnd!

[woven flint]

Also, my Bugbear Ranger was in an Arranged marriage with a Wood Elf lady
He's around 50 something and she's 120 lmao

[lavish flame]

I've kinda always disliked how long Elves live for. To me, it takes away from the gravity of long-lived monsters. I think part of the coolness of stuff like Giants and Dragons is that they're ancient.

[slow vine]

i did not pass my survival check and im going to die

[vale sage]

i shorten it to 300-400 years for my world

[idle oar]

Hey folks - this is not a place to role play - it's for discussing D&D

[vale sage]

dwarves live 200-250

[idle oar]

Please keep things on topic

[tropic plank]

I’ve never met a straight Druid player

[lavish flame]

Yeah I've been thinking of making Elves live for like 300 years and make everyone else's timescale adjusted for that

[woven flint]

The coolness of Elvish society is how long they live and how much their culture and society progress due to these lifespans

[feral fulcrum]

That reminds me, it's rather annoying that 5E has devolved into just slapping "It lives 100 years like humans" onto basically everything.

[idle oar]

Role playing is disruptive to the D&D discussions happening here - please see the server rules

[lusty kelp]

fair enough. I've met a few that were furry-inclined, but not queer in other ways.

[hollow stone]

oh yea, i have a DM who gave someone a timepiece that can cast Timestop but if they fail a save they age 6 years, which is insane for humans, but it was in the possession of a half elf who it just... wouldn't affect like at all

[wanton sorrel]

there is a #character-discussion

[slow vine]

if the DM allows it, pocket sand is fun in combat

[vale sage]

i like having elves and dwarves (the only other big species in my world) be able to live longer than humans, but nowhere near the 1000 year threshold that a lot of fantasy leans toward

[tropic plank]

I believe that would be a topic more appreciated in #character-discussion however I do also think that was rather disingenuous and not your intent

[idle oar]

Still not a channel for doing role play.

This is not the server for that

[valid geyser]

Yea I think wotc just kinda stopped caring about age because they don’t wanna worry about the headaches

[wanton sorrel]

very true

[lusty kelp]

actual age is meaningless in a ttrpg.

[vale sage]

i think a lot of it comes with the shift toward DnD characters being so, so much harder to kill either way, so death all around has been made kind of irrelevant

[tropic plank]

With obvious exceptions

[woven flint]

I'm gonna have a Warforged Forge Druid

Do I have a problem ..

The perfect Non-Binary and Queer representation as a character 🧐

[feral fulcrum]

Mechanically yes (Generally), Roleplay wise, not so much.

[hushed mason]

Not true. In third edition, there are aging effects.

[lavish flame]

Idk. I think of stuff like Sphinxes and that neat sounding item someone else mentioned. I like having age and height and weight affect gameplay

[hushed mason]

Unless you mean player age...

[lusty kelp]

aging effects is specifically what I was thinking about when talking about this. those aren't really meaningful, because its too easy to ignore.

[vale sage]

A homebrew rule I'll be using in my upcoming game is instant death at 0 or less hit points, but the first two times you "die" you can take a permanent injury or impairment instead.

[undone rain]

Are seldarine drow usually good/neutral?

[vale sage]

still tweaking it, but thats the gist :)

makes death meaningful without being too brutal imo

[hushed mason]

In 3e, aging effects your ability scores. It is NOT easy to ignore them.

[feral fulcrum]

Hope your players are aware and enthusastic about it.

[hollow stone]

i'm someone else? if i am someone else then i agree that it's very cool and the age thing that elves don't have was kinda depressing, but they also could have based it off of lifespan percentile instead of a fixed quantity

[woven flint]

Me choosing to die each time so I get to play through my character ideas /joking

[umbral girder]

AD&D had a table for age and its effects too.

[vale sage]

theyve told me on multiple occasions that they wish their characters were less like superheroes and there were higher stakes, so uh

[hollow stone]

actually i can just text them about that now hold on

[vale sage]

this is kinda how i'm going about it to keep it fair but more impactful

[hushed mason]

You mean they want to play 3.5e!!!!

[wanton sorrel]

you mean rolling for age?

[undone rain]

Lol im like that but at the same time i dont want my character to die

[vale sage]

well they like 5e so idm tweaking a few rules

[umbral girder]

Basically it was lower physical stats but higher mental stats the older you got and reverse if you were in your 20s.

[tropic plank]

Seldarine are just drow that don’t like lolth

They are often coded as the good drow if only because they’re the only ones who are allowed to be good

[feral fulcrum]

5E is probably not going to easily fulfill that desire, regarding the superheroes bit.

[woven flint]

I'm fine with my characters dying

They're adventurers, they signed up knowing they'd have a dangerous life

[vale sage]

yeah, im aware

[hushed mason]

The Seldarine is the name of the elven pantheon....

[undone rain]

Works for me. Redemption drow

[woven flint]

Not to say I'm not attached to my characters, but more often and not they understand the gravity

[worn lagoon]

I could start a campaign with a very old human archwizard who's leveled down due to amnesia and my stats get worse as i level up until the dm kills me on purpose to replace me with my grandkid

[umbral girder]

There is also already a Superhero rules set that uses 5e. I think its that new Marvel TTRPG.

[tropic plank]

I do believe you shouldn’t go out of your way as a dm to kill a pc, but if there’s not even a chance it ruins all tension

[vale sage]

oh absolutely!

[tropic plank]

It’s also the name of one of the Drow subraces!

[worn lagoon]

you mean subraces

[hushed mason]

That's absurd.

[umbral girder]

Subraces

[undone rain]

Speaking of the deep races are there any other races except for duergar, drow and deep gnomes

[vale sage]

i always try to balance my encounters properly so they arent too difficult, but still have a small chance of being lethal if the characters arent careful

[umbral girder]

Basically its Drow who still follow their original Elven gods.

[worn lagoon]

also it's not a subrace outside of bg3, and in that game lolth-sworn and seldarine are biologically identical, it's just more of a sect choice than a subrace one

[woven flint]

My Drow fellow is a Warlock of Eilistraee

[tropic plank]

I didn’t choose it lady

[umbral girder]

Kua-Toa and Myconids

[woven flint]

We need playable Kua-Toa in 5e

[umbral girder]

Mind Flayers I suppose

[lavish flame]

Derro

[undone rain]

Fish men and mushroom fellas got it

[woven flint]

I want to be an insane fish person 😔

[tropic plank]

Mechanically the same but honestly the drow are sort of a sub race of elves anyway

In a way

[hushed mason]

Grimlock is another deep race, I believe.

[woven flint]

Kua-Toa are love
Kua-Toa are life

[lavish flame]

Xvarts iirc. Though I mostly know them as a common monster from Baldur's Gate 1

[woven flint]

Umberhulks also live in the underdark

[vale sage]

im still debating whether i want to have elven and dwarven subspecies, or just have a singular species for each. since, just like humans, dwarves and elves have different features, skin tones, hair colors, etc based on their genetics and geographical location instead of having "subspecies"

[feral fulcrum]

I beleive it's to do with the Elves in Faerun IIRC being very distantly related to the gods, and having massive egos. They were once actually part of the pantheon, before getting the boot because Lolth did a murder attempt, or something like that.

[undone rain]

Looks like goblins

[umbral girder]

Orcs hangout in the Underdark too.

[woven flint]

Can we talk about Purple Dragons?
They live in the Underdark too :DD

[lavish flame]

what. they're greyscale and Goblins have pigmentation

[umbral girder]

But Orcs are nomadic so they show up in most terrain

[undone rain]

Well greyscale goblins that is

[feral fulcrum]

ONly if we can talk about Purple Worms.

[naive cedar]

Omg someone else remembers xvarts

[feral fulcrum]

How do you pronounce that name? I hope it's not as close to farts as I fear...

[lavish flame]

They're like every encounter in Baldur's Gate 1 before level 3. Its Xvarts and Wolves

[naive cedar]

Yeah and the odd bear

[naive cedar]

I pronounce it ecks-vart

[lavish flame]

The X is pronounced like a Z in my mind, but its phonetic from there on out

Zvart is how I've always said it

[hushed mason]

I would pronounce it zvart

[lavish flame]

it does indeed rhyme with fart

[feral fulcrum]

how unforutnate.

[undone rain]

Drows sure are special when it comes to their culture

[naive cedar]

I wonder why BioWare picked xvarts to be the early level monster

[hollow stone]

@hearty glacier you mention

[lavish flame]

yeah instead of Goblins or Gnolls or whatever? i imagine someone on their team just liked them lmao

[naive cedar]

Apparently gwyn is correct. It’s zvart

[naive cedar]

Ngl playing bg1 as a kid made me attached to xvarts. Theyre little blue guys

[tropic plank]

I talked to the Xvart and they told me their name was Steve actually

[naive cedar]

I thought it was Larry, Darryl, and Darryl

[undone rain]

So drows are pure evil, duergar are jerks and the deep gnomes are just wary of outsiders

[naive cedar]

The best underdark species is myconids

[undone rain]

Mushroooooom

[naive cedar]

I’d hang out with myconids

We need more mushroom people in fantasy things

[tropic plank]

Drow are evil due to their generational bigotry perpetuated by the spider goddess, some of them are quite lovely people who don’t follow their society

[feral fulcrum]

Your lungs will not thank you.

[naive cedar]

Idc

[hot marlin]

Sweeping generalization about entire species is not a good idea

[undone rain]

Mmmm crap i dont think

[lavish flame]

Yeah the real deal is "these groups contain multitudes"

[hot marlin]

Nah, the real deal is to stop thinking about it in moral terms and think of it in terms of culture and politics

[naive cedar]

Drow are often evil because the most numerous dark elves in DND are the lolth sworn ones. Aside from the very rare varieties of dark elf that arent drow, there’s lots of drow who broke away from lolth

[feral fulcrum]

They may contain multitudes, but you'd be well advised to avoid dealing with Loth's followers if you can help it. Less risk of getting eaten by spiders that way.

[serene monolith]

Lolth-sworn drow are evil; Seldarine drow are not

[tropic plank]

I think the only pure evil sentient species in Forgotten Realms are Devils, I could be wrong

[undone rain]

Just realized i sound racist

[feral fulcrum]

Demons.

[naive cedar]

And mind flayers, although there’s like one exception

[naive cedar]

I think they mean fiends

[hot marlin]

Oh no. This is wrong on multiple points.
First off, everyone is sentient. Sentience requires only the ability to perceive. If it's a creature, it's sentient.

[lavish flame]

If you're a Drow, you might worship the Demon Queen of Spiders, but you also might worship the God of the Morning or whatever

[tropic plank]

I think that’s a little semantic about my wording

[hot marlin]

Secondly... Whether or not devils even count as a species is debatable. And they're not in the Forgotten Realms. Devils are from the Nine Hells, pretty far away from Realmspace

[undone rain]

Arent mindflayers from other worlds

[hollow stone]

oh right isn't sapient the smart one word?

[hot marlin]

Yes, this is semantic. I was raising the point that you used the wrong word, this is what semantics are about

[tropic plank]

I mean the core DnD universe ‘the forgotten realms’ as opposed to a different module

[hot marlin]

It is complicated, but yes.

[tropic plank]

Fair enough, I just didn’t know the most accurate word to ascertain my meaning

[feral fulcrum]

From the Astral Plane, yes.

[undone rain]

That would explain their advanced tech

[hot marlin]

A different module? Again, this is entirely the wrong terminology, which makes your point difficult to understand

[hollow stone]

like bacteria aren't sentient because they're just like, looping genetic codes, but multicellular life usually is sentient, and then humans and elves and tieflings and grung and dwarves and gnomes and those and thems are sapient, right?

[undone rain]

And that explains why gith hate em

[hot marlin]

A "module" is generally used in D&D space to mean an adventure module.

[hot marlin]

No, Githyankis and Githzerais hate illithids because illithids enslaved their ancestors

[naive cedar]

I think module is more old school terminology

[feral fulcrum]

They're an ancient empire that enslaved a whole boatload of people with Psionics and Bio-organic nonsense and then got turbo murdered by the Gith. And are now basically reduced to being boogeymen that eat your brains if you're lucky, enslave you and stick a parasite in you if you're unlucky. Or stick you in a Jar for a couple millenia if you're REALLY unlucky. There's a reason most people kill them on sight.

[undone rain]

Yeah thats what i was thinking. Im tired af so my apologies

[hot marlin]

And then: Of course, devils are not pure evil. They're lawful evil, in theory. Pure evil would require being neutral evil.

[naive cedar]

Is there a type of fiend that’s generally neutral evil? I know demons are chaotic evil, and devils are lawful evil

[hot marlin]

Yugoloths.

[naive cedar]

Tyty

[hot marlin]

And Demodands.

[naive cedar]

I need to refresh my memory on fr lore

[lavish flame]

Modules are/were adventure books. You bought the T1. The Village of Hommlet module, and it was just an adventure. They were "modules" because they were supposed to be "modular" in that you could include them in basically amy game.

[naive cedar]

That makes sense

[tropic plank]

Okay, allow me to reiterate

I think creatures that originate the Hells are the only sapient, thinking and speaking group of creatures in the Forgotten Realms game universe that are all to some degree evil, with no good members of their group

I believe that better defines my point

[feral fulcrum]

Speaking of Modules, it'd be nice to get away from the Sword Coast for a while.

[naive cedar]

Yeah fiends are basically embodiments of evil

[naive cedar]

Icewind dale icewind dale icewind dale icewind dale

[marble lion]

Undead have some evil ones right?

[lavish flame]

Real. I'd love for some adventures set in Calimshan and the Dalelands and the Moonshae Isles after the FR book.

[tropic plank]

Ghosts are sort of neutral, they’re just dead people

[hot marlin]

Counterpoint: The zulkirs.

[marble lion]

Like made to be evil

[naive cedar]

Undead are generally evil but don’t have to be

[crimson gulch]

i launched a moonshae and a Calimshan campaign after that book came out so thats been great

[marble lion]

I mean specific types of undead

[tropic plank]

I have never heard of a Zulkir

[feral fulcrum]

Pretty much every undead is Evil aligned by default. On account of being, well, undead, and usually mindless or outright malovolent killing machines

[marble lion]

Not all undead as a whole

[hot marlin]

The zulkirs are all evil, there is no exception, and they're in the actual Forgotten Realms. On Faerun. Specifically, in Thay

[marble lion]

Im excluding the mindless ones since sentient was a given criterium

[tropic plank]

Yes Thay is also pretty evil I concede to that

[marble lion]

But arent there still mandatory evil types?

[hot marlin]

Heads of the red wizards.

[naive cedar]

Yeah like undead are evil by default, but they can be different

[hollow stone]

i still need to know if sapient is the term for intelligent creature

[naive cedar]

It depends on the type of undead and their degree of sentience

[lavish flame]

Not really. The closest you get are Fiends and Undead, but they still can be good and neutral

[feral fulcrum]

Sapience is the capcity for being capable of going "I am me, me is me, you is you." IIRC

[lavish flame]

I often think of Eberron's Aereni Elves and the country of Karrnath. Two groups that do a lot of necromancy and make a fair bit Undead, but they aren't really evil.

[hushed mason]

"Sapience" means "human-like intelligence/awareness"

[hollow stone]

i think the only mandatory alignment in 2024 is like, the Beast creatures, which are all Neutral because they aren't sapient

[hot marlin]

It also means a lot of other things but yes

[rough basalt]

Alignment in 2024 is generally the typical for that creature type.

[hot marlin]

Beasts are unaligned, not neutral.

[naive cedar]

In older editions beasts were neutral

[rough basalt]

Like most Devils you come across are gonna be evil schemers with their own plans, but an exception might be a dude who just wants to gamble.

[tropic plank]

Gambling is also as evil as schemes to steal souls

[hushed mason]

It is?

[rough basalt]

I mean just normal gambling

Like he goes to sigil and plays poker with a few angels

[naive cedar]

I mean normal gambling is debatably problematic but that’s a different discussion altogether

They don’t necessarily want to screw anyone over: they just want to have fun or whatever

[tropic plank]

It basically steals your soul anyway, there’s a reason so may demons in fiction gamble

[naive cedar]

Well that stems from gambling being viewed as a sin in the cultures that create that fiction

IMO it depends on how it’s portrayed

[rough basalt]

In my world the only inherent nature is only among Outsiders, which is my preference.

[lavish flame]

Eberron is pretty similar. Fiends are mostly still Evil and Celestials are mostly still Good. Everything else is up to the individual

[rough basalt]

Ye I took it from Eberron cause I liked that aspect

[naive cedar]

Are fiends a thing in dark sun

I never played it

[rough basalt]

Being able to use Celestials and Metallic Dragons as enemies was a motivation

[hushed mason]

I play 3.5. For fiends and celestials, alignment is hard-wired.

[rough basalt]

They're very rare

[naive cedar]

I mean even in FR Zariel was once an angel

[rough basalt]

In Dark Sun, Evil is just a natural state of being

Just a matter of how evil

[hushed mason]

Nooo! Catherine O'Hara is dead. I named a lizardfolk after her.

[atomic kayak]

Definitely more flexibility than in most other settings though

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but Dark Sun is a setting that was built from the ground up to be kind of a dump.

[rough basalt]

Are you "ima do what I gotta do evil" or are you "I kill everyone because I love it" evil like the Sorcerer-Kings

[marble lion]

I was talking about undeads

But also dont mean all undead, only specific types of undead

[naive cedar]

Yeah I just found out that she was in Beetlejuice! RIP

[wanton sorrel]

welp all my D&D stuff got here before my dice did X'D

[rough basalt]

If the Dark Powers could get ahold of Athas they'd be swimming in new domains.

[atomic kayak]

Or even just between the same "type" of thing. Ex: fiend of shavarath would be very different than a fiend of fernia

[rough basalt]

Cause all the Sorcerer-Kings are irredeemably evil monsters that'd make perfect dreadlords

Iirc one of them actually was dragged into a domain of dread

[wanton sorrel]

welp time to go to another D&D adventure.

[rough basalt]

Ye Kalid-Ma of Kalidnay is the Sorcerer-King dreadlord.

[serene monolith]

I should get more dice soon

[hot marlin]

Actually no, at least one Sorcerer-King is not only redeemable, but already redeemed

[rough basalt]

really? I thought all of them were SSS tier evil

[hot marlin]

I mean, yeah, they committed genocide, but they can always decide they regret their actions and stop.

It's always a possibility.

"Redemption" is not hard. It just consists of stopping. Everyone and everything is redeemable.

[vale sage]

genocide isnt redeemable i'd say

[hot marlin]

But in that one case... Yeah, he's actually kind of the BGGG of the setting

[vale sage]

i'll die on that hill

[hot marlin]

BGGG standing for Big Great Good Guy

Well yeah, genocide isn't redeemable because it's not a person. People are redeemable.

[vale sage]

that feels a bit pedantic, im sure you understood what i meant

lol

[naive cedar]

where did the term bbeg come from anyways

[serene monolith]

I'd argue a person can become irredeemable

[hushed mason]

Ooo. That would be fun to investigate.

[vale sage]

slaughtering an entire people is irredeemable, no exceptions

[hushed mason]

Although, if I were going to go investigating English, I would want to pin down the exact moment the word "literally" switched meanings to become the complete opposite of it's original meaning.

[marble lion]

is redemption the same thing as forgiveness?

[vale sage]

not necessarily

[hushed mason]

I know someone that would say otherwise...

[hot marlin]

The way I see it, redemption is just stopping. Just don't do the bad things anymore, and it's good enough for me

[vale sage]

but they overlap

[marble lion]

i think the only actual defined redemption is christian alleviation of sin

[vale sage]

thats a very, very, very slippery slope

[rough basalt]

Alright so Oronis is a good guy.
Then theres two others that make them fall into potentially ant-villain territory.
Rest are evil sadists and they love every second of it

[marble lion]

so i do think that literally anyone can be redeemed in certain belief systems, while in others there are irredeemable sins

[hot marlin]

But yeah, it's true that "redemption" is a religious concept.

[naive cedar]

IMO redemption requires actively not doing the thing, not just saying “I’m totally gonna stop u guys 🥺”

[marble lion]

as for secular morals, i think not everyone can be redeemed

[naive cedar]

but redemption depends on the religion

[vale sage]

anyway - we dont have confirmation that we're getting dark sun in 5.5 right?

[tropic plank]

Redemption is where you change yourself to become a better person, whereas forgiveness is someone else saying they are not upset by your actions anymore

From a purely technical standpoint

[marble lion]

i think for secular redemption, you need to be forgiven by some majour relevant body of judgement

[vale sage]

the term has been a bit neutered over time so

[hot marlin]

I like slippery slopes. They're fun

[rough basalt]

yeah but we also have a bunch of UA thats gone through a second round thats Dark Sun material so unofficially

[naive cedar]

who doesnt like slides?

[rough basalt]

WotC hasnt announced anything for this year yet afaik

[vale sage]

i recently read dark suns original box set, its cool

[marble lion]

secular redemption has 2 ways of working
1 is being redeemed in the eyes of the general society or public
the other is your subjective judgement as a person, your ego

[umbral girder]

It’s a shorten version of Big Bad Evil Guy

[hot marlin]

Yeah but who has the authority to judge a sorcerer king? Nobody.

[marble lion]

so depending on the society or you as a person, redemption might be impossible

[naive cedar]

I know but who invented it

[marble lion]

you dont need authority to judge. you only need authority to enforce the penalty

[umbral girder]

Last thing announced by WOTC is Forge of the Artificer I think

[marble lion]

i can judge anyone i want at any time but that doesnt mean my judgement matters to others

[hot marlin]

A judgment without enforcement is a waste of everybody's time

[vale sage]

im unsure how much theyre gonna sanitize it though, i doubt wotc is gonna be into the idea of thought provoking ideas and pro political (mostly very leftist) messages baked into a setting LMAO

[rough basalt]

Yeah who knows whats going on at wotc atm

[marble lion]

i think reflecting on the world is a very healthy thing to do and doesnt take anyone elses time unless i choose to debate the judgement with someone

[naive cedar]

Dark sun would be a pr nightmare in today’s climate lbr

[hot marlin]

Honestly, this is the worst case scenario. Modern WOTC does not have the ability to handle Dark Sun.

[rough basalt]

Which is probably why they havent announced anything

[vale sage]

i know the 2 lead designers of 5e were either canned or quit, so that doesnt bode well either

[marble lion]

what even is so bad about dark sun in modern caution

[rough basalt]

it has bad things happening in it that are treated as "normal" by the society in it

[marble lion]

i know its an edgier setting but why specifically?

[umbral girder]

Also WOTC just recently got a lead designer for D&D I think?

[marble lion]

ah i see

[naive cedar]

I can just hear the YouTubers typing away at their ChatGPT prompts to make their 100th “They RUINED Dark Sun!!!11”” video

[vale sage]

im of the opinion that representing things in art and fiction is not the same as endorsing it, especially when the work itself is very, very clear about those things being ontologically evil LMAO

[serene monolith]

I know halfings are treated as savages basically in the setting. That and the aforementioned genocide.

[rough basalt]

Grimdark stuff tends to get a short end of the stick if it's not the "standard" in modern day at least

[marble lion]

and yet in lots of mass media the question is asked why you chose to represent something a certain way, and you better have a good answer ready

[vale sage]

the Mul and halflings need a rework no matter which way you slice it, they were icky back then and still are lol

[hot marlin]

Basically:

• Normalized slavery. It's a world where slavery has always existed and most people wouldn't even be able to conceive of the possibility of a society functioning without it.
• Usual old D&D racial problems

[rough basalt]

Also outright evil bad guys can be a no no

[naive cedar]

Dark sun has a lot of very political and “edgy” content in it that is handled with varying degrees of sensitivity (Incubus covered the big ones). Regardless of how WOTC handles it, it’s going to enrage a group of people

[hot marlin]

And yeah. The bad guys rule the world, and they got to rule the world through the power of genocide.

[vale sage]

art (no matter what it is) is political, so whats wrong with featuring thought provoking and challenging subjects in it? it definitely needs work, but its not the nightmare people make it out to be imo. i think there'll for sure be a bunch of losers on the internet going "THEY RUINED DARK SUN!!!!!!" because they cant own slaves or be racist anymore but thats just how it is

[naive cedar]

A LOT of people only think art is political if there’s women in it

[hot marlin]

I don't see how it would even possible to create a version of dark sun where you "can't own slave or be racist". I can create a racist slave-owning character in the Forgotten Realms

[serene monolith]

Someone will get mad about it. That much is certain.

[hushed mason]

What's wrong with it is that it's not friendly for a coroporation trying to sell stuff to kids.

[vale sage]

this is true

[rough basalt]

Yeah either they do it faithfully but right and people get angry cause its not comfy and happy, or they nuke it with sanitization and nobody likes it

[hot marlin]

And that indeed is the problem. WOTC has been moving away from any sort of adult themes.

[vale sage]

im more speaking on an objective, "Moral" point of view here lmao

[hushed mason]

The corporation isn't interested in ART.

They're interested in MONEY.

[serene monolith]

They probably should stay away from it tbh.

[marble lion]

because dnd is a business to make money and make people feel safe

some stuff you wanna see in art isnt something they wanna make

[naive cedar]

For example: there’s two options for the slavery. Either they keep it as is and you get one group who is mad that it’s there to begin with and another group that’s mad about the political overtones (because dark sun is very political), OR they tone it down and make everyone mad for changing the setting

[rough basalt]

No its just to make money

[vale sage]

i mean they released the homo-erotic vampire book with basically vtm style blood bonds

[hot marlin]

There is a...Kiddification in service to gameification. Essentially, D&D by modern WOTC is meant to be safe and comfortable, which is not what Dark Sun is about. Which is why WOTC should simply let another company handle Dark Sun

[marble lion]

which is fine

[naive cedar]

Do you mean the astarion book? Even that was toned down honestly

[rough basalt]

ye like nowadays theres people who will strangle you above table for having a villain kill an npc

[vale sage]

the problem is, they havent made people feel safe, time and time again; there are so many examples of wotc dropping the ball and being awful

[marble lion]

its a gay vampire. thats super on brand

[vale sage]

they are in the business of making money and nothing else, thats just how corporations are

[marble lion]

really? recently?

[naive cedar]

Every vampire is gay

[vale sage]

the hadozee come to mind

[marble lion]

its like the most safe cautious universe i can think of

[hot marlin]

It's really not as bad as VTM style blood bond. VTM style blood bond are essentially sexual slavery

[marble lion]

that was a massive uproar for a reason and also how recent?

[vale sage]

i run vtm, this is hyperbole

[vale sage]

thats what im saying, they havent made people feel safe lol

[rough basalt]

Well they cant really do much more unless they remove the game part

[marble lion]

so one mess negates all the other stuff?

[naive cedar]

Also ngl I’m kind of surprised nobody got mad aboht the astarion book, but I guess BG3’s massive success made it not worth it for those people

[vale sage]

not at all what im saying lmao

[marble lion]

i dont think thats a balanced view

[rough basalt]

DnD is a game with danger in it after all

[vale sage]

im saying that its an odd point to make to say that theyre in the business of making people safe when, historically, they have not been great about doing that

[marble lion]

and im saying that recently they do exactly that

[naive cedar]

Whats hadozee

[marble lion]

you name one example of them failing and i refuse to let 1 example crash a whole building

[vale sage]

the racist monkey people from spelljammer

[hushed mason]

An ape-species.

[marble lion]

if you named more, then maybe id concede

[naive cedar]

Ooh I missed that

[rough basalt]

Eh

[marble lion]

im sorry for not getting what you mean

[naive cedar]

I mean WOTC has been trying to move away from the problematic depictions of groups in the past (ravenloft comes to mind)

[vale sage]

im not in the business of defending multi million dollar corporations personally, but thats just me lol

[marble lion]

im not defending it. it annoys me

i dont like super safe comfortzone marketing

[feral fulcrum]

They are not ape related. No, wait, I was thinking gorrila.

[hushed mason]

Okay.

[naive cedar]

I don’t ljke it either but edgy themes =/= stereotyping groups of people

[vale sage]

^

[marble lion]

but i luckily can choose to engage with dnd however i choose so it doesnt really impact me. i still think they have been doing a lot of safety glasses for a while now, even though specifically hadozee were a mistake

[vale sage]

the lore behind them was basically "man, look at these SAVAGE people, we need to do something!" and a wizard "fixed them"

[hushed mason]

I thought they were chimpanzee-like.

[rough basalt]

Well isnt the point of "safe" is that you dont want anything bad to happen ever

[wet wave]

guys i just applied to my first ever D&D game ever! (please) wish me luck!

[naive cedar]

Gorillas and chimpanzees are both apes. Theyre different species of ape

[feral fulcrum]

Wasn't it more that they were created as a slave race? Which was terribly bad optics on monkey people.

[marble lion]

good luck mech

[vale sage]

they were altered by a wizard

[marble lion]

a wizard found apes on a planet and made them sentient slaves

[wet wave]

thx

[vale sage]

yup

[naive cedar]

Uhh. Yikes

[marble lion]

they were then freed by another good wizard or something like that

[knotty ermine]

Glad to be back!

[vale sage]

its like, so on the nose racist it feels like parody.

[naive cedar]

Is this recent? Because uhhhhhh

[hushed mason]

Were they supposed to be a take on Baum's flying monkeys from Oz?

[vale sage]

yeah

[hot marlin]

The problem is that the hadozee were an accident of writing. Someone did not understand the implications of what they were writing. Especially the implications of making the slaver the one who uplifted the animals and the slaves being apes.

[vale sage]

2022 so the last few years

[feral fulcrum]

It was honestly probably written by a racist who thought they were being clever tbh.

[hot marlin]

Dark Sun is purposeful and requires actual understanding of stuff

[naive cedar]

I don’t understand how someone doesnt realise while writing that how problematic it is tbh

[rough basalt]

You'd be surprised

[vale sage]

people do be ignorant

not to say thats any justification or defense, but its a reason at the least

[naive cedar]

Dark sun has some bad race related stuff too but yeah, it’s not the same as the hadozee. That’s just someone turning their brain off

[tropic plank]

That’s where the advice to ‘write what you know’ comes from

It’s much easier to not offend someone if you never venture outside of your own experiences, but it leads to poor storytelling

[rough basalt]

Sometimes people go with an idea they think is fine then sometime later theyre like "wait. oh."

[feral fulcrum]

There's a great many things in older editions that have aged like milk.

[naive cedar]

That’s not what “write what you know” means

[hot marlin]

For those who don't understand: The Hadozees being uplifted and made sentient by their slaver echoes pro-slavery american rhetoric. The idea being that the slaves used to be savages and that they should thank their slaver for bringing them civilization. In real life, this is a stupid lie that has nobody fooled. For the hadozees it is a truth.

[marble lion]

if you wanna be a professional writer for a big company, especially in america with its problems, you need to be conform and safe

[hot marlin]

Which could have been fine. If it had been purposeful and examined

[marble lion]

its ridiculous how blind the writer for this must have been to think this was gonna fly

[naive cedar]

I mean the whole idea of making monkeys slaves for humans is just a massive no to begin with imo

[hushed mason]

The fact that you have to explain it here explains how it could have been written in the first place.

[rough basalt]

tbh if I ever published my dnd world id probably get strung up

[vale sage]

it suffers from tropes that have been watered down and distanced from their original racist origins being basically transplanted into the dark sun setting with the "savage halflings". iirc it was inspired by the films of the 1930s etc, which is to say it was inspired by shit that was very evidently based off of racist rhetoric

[hushed mason]

Frank Baum did it in the Wizard of Oz...

[marble lion]

im genuinely surprised. almost noone i met who plays dnd condones AI

the only AI condoning i ever see is people who have no money for artists, and dont draw themselves, using ai to maybe generate a token for their character, but even those usually suck and arent used in the end

[naive cedar]

That’s actually a good point yeah. Goblins are a great example of what is essentially old European racism being fossilised into fantasy without people realising

[tropic plank]

Isn’t it? I’ve always heard it in that sort of ‘only write your own experiences so you don’t offend anyone by writing a different culture and getting wrong’

[feral fulcrum]

Writing what you know has litteraly nothing to do with cultural appropriation.

[naive cedar]

People might use it in that way, but the term originally meant that you should write about your own experiences or incorporate them into your characters because it makes them more realistic

[marble lion]

it refers to writers being best at making something real and relatable when they actually have experience to draw from

[feral fulcrum]

Writing what you know is purely just "Don't write about topics you don't have the faintest idea about. Don't pretend to be a nuclear engineer because you saw a five minute youtube video."

[vale sage]

also, the mul (half-dwarves) being basically called "mules" is disgusting frankly and should be cleaned up and, potentially outright removed from the setting

[marble lion]

i tried it once but the result was so sloppy that i just learnt to draw

[naive cedar]

Yeah this is true (sorry I missed this lol). The hadozee is particularly bad though because it’s 2022

[marble lion]

i still dont think its alright for you to trash people to this degree just for having a token generated, not that you need to like it

[tropic plank]

I see! Yeah, that does make sense
That’s just the only way I’ve heard it said

[marble lion]

a bit more kindness would probably help with this whole topic too

[vale sage]

even from the out of world perspective that its supposed to be bad, calling them such is objectively not a good move

[marble lion]

if you just insult people, you create defensive trenches and they will ignore any valid critique you say

[naive cedar]

Exactly. It’s especially cringeworthy for people who are familiar with the subject. If you’re going to write about something you’re not familiar with, do research

[tropic plank]

AI itself is a soulless practice, but not everyone who uses it is a bad or horrible person and claiming someone is for simply utilising an existing technology is wrong

[hushed mason]

INdeed. It makes me feel like there's no room for a meaningful conversation around the topic. Not that I feel like having one about AI at the moment...

[vale sage]

it is so, so, easy to educate yourself on the effects of ai, that if someone continues to use it after doing so, i dont need to have some level of sympathy for the people fueling the things that are destroying the industry im studying to go into lmao

maybe thats just me? idk

[naive cedar]

People say “AI is just a tool” but never specify what it’s being used as a tool for

[marble lion]

i think youre being a little too harsh yes but due to personal bias thats understandable
i also think youre making the issue worse if youre just rude to people because you alienate them making it worse

so from both a nice and pragmatic perspective, relax

disclaimer: i dont use AI

[hushed mason]

I use AI to generate character portraits and occassional background images. Oh no! I also use it to turn stream-of-conciousness ideas into a meaningful document.

[vale sage]

i think its important to differentiate between me not wanting to associate with ai, and me being rude to the people using it - im just gonna say "i dont agree with doing that" and leave it at that if its brought up lmao

[tropic plank]

Also artificial intelligence is a very wide terminology, there’s a lot of nuance to it.
While most people dislike generative ai (i do too), some ai is a helpful tool for things such as games or scientific simulations

[marble lion]

oh thats perfectly fine cicada

the way you mentioned sympathy made me think you go around witchhunting people with personal attacks

[naive cedar]

Tbf a lot of people online do the latter about everything. I agree with your though

[vale sage]

yeah, lemme clarify the issue is generative ai for the most part

[feral fulcrum]

I think people overeact to minor AI usage way too harshly. If someone makes a token because they don't have the time and skill needed to learn to do art, nor the cash to sell out to an artist, you are not being personally harmed, so you shouldn't act like they've dishonered your family and slapped you in the face.

[lyric viper]

I think one conflation here as well is that 'Write what you know' is not 'Never ever write anything outside your own experiences', but also is used to criticise stories that try to focus on a topic that is entirely unknown to the writer.
Like if a white british woman decided to make a story all about how it feels growing up as a young man in India.

This can be at times applied to D&D contexts when some heavier topics that require sensitivity and naunce show up, as the writer likely has had little experience with them.
Or for when authenticity is desired to avoid harmful misconceptions

[hushed mason]

It's fine for you to call it slop. As long as you're not calling me slop.

[dense gulch]

when will new physical spellbook cards come out XD I WANT TO buy the arcane one 2024 I have the ranger 2014 ones

[naive cedar]

Exactly. Thank you. The point is not “only write about yourself”. It’s to not write about things you have no knowledge of. Do research aboht topics you want to write about but aren’t familiar with

[vale sage]

i think its perfectly fair to say that yes, using generative ai is (even considering how small it is) fueling the industry and giving the go ahead to massive corporations to continue destroying our planet and the livelihood of artists all around the world

[rich lotus]

hello

[vale sage]

the excuse many folk make is that they use image generation because they "cannot draw", when drawing is perhaps the most accessible thing in human history

[naive cedar]

Like, I’d be annoyed if someone wrote a character who was a DND nerd but clearly knew nothing about DND and based it entirely off of stereotypes and outdated ideas

[delicate owl]

Mundane tasks such as coding, algorithmic generation for creative purposes such as procedual generation and 3d animation, general collection of overall data for organization purposes.

When used for non-intrusive things, AI is a great tool indeed.

Even when used for creative purposes outside of commercial use, it can be applied to spark ideas, get an idea of what something may look like or play out as, etc.

The part where people use it for commercial purposes without citing sources and consent, and/or just copy and paste what it spits out and claim it as their own work is the issue.

[tropic plank]

Honestly it feels a little like the concern of ai’s environmental damage is some kind of cover up for the oil companies and mass farms that are also doing severe damage to the environment because I’ve been seeing a lot less criticism of those industries now AI is the focus

[naive cedar]

Use dolldivine

[vale sage]

i personally am just as vocal about that, but i have noticed that as well

[dense gulch]

I use ai for my character since I am only use the image once for a token as I am not a artist and I'm not spending 60+ usd so 80 Cad for a picture I use like once :p

[feral fulcrum]

Taps the D&D Discussion sign

[lyric viper]

Yep, This is getting off topic folk

[vale sage]

totally fair

[naive cedar]

Or heroforge

[hushed mason]

I use the Sims to make character portraits, too.

[vale sage]

would it be fine to move to the off topic/non dnd topic channel?

[naive cedar]

I don’t even print the figurines I just use heroforge for visualisation

[tropic plank]

Back on dnd
How the hell do you heal a war forged

[rough basalt]

Heal them

[dense gulch]

Repair kit :p

[minor cargo]

Little kiss on the forehead.

[feral fulcrum]

With heal spells and potions, same as everyone else.

[halcyon bison]

cure wounds :>

[vale sage]

with love and kindness

[livid owl]

They considered humanoids iirc so spells like that heal them

And Autognomes have a trait to allow those healing spells to work on them despite being constructs

[dense gulch]

Some dm are like they aren't organic so Yea Lo

[lyric viper]

Honestly, I would often use sims to make a model for my character to then have a visual reference to sketch from. Sims 2 with all my sisters mods worked so well

[molten pumice]

Warforged can be healed by healing magic because they got organic material mixed in

[naive cedar]

Forehead kisses probably help

[feral fulcrum]

They're humanoids. they work the same as every meatbag.

[lyric viper]

Warforged can be healed with normal magic

[hushed mason]

Sims 4 makes great portraits.

[dense gulch]

What about the non humans?

[livid owl]

Side note but I love love love that Autognomes can be healed using the mending cantrip

[hushed mason]

No, not so good.

[woven flint]

Warforged are Constructs in 2024

[dense gulch]

I don't have the occult dlcs

[hushed mason]

Human, elf, half-elf... that's about it.

[woven flint]

But, yes, Warforged can be healed normally in 2024

[naive cedar]

Warforged who calls everyone a meatbag

[halcyon bison]

And (most) healing spells work on undead and constructs in 2024

[tropic plank]

So cleric healing magic works on metal is what you’re telling me

[wanton sorrel]

whats people favorite D&D session? is it session 0? or is it 1 or session 2 or so on????

[wide rock]

Is the “exploring eberron” book in dnd beyond considered an actual dnd expansion seeing as they haven’t released it physically and it releases two new subclasses for artificer that wotc have not announced for the actual rules expansion?

[feral fulcrum]

Took them long enough.

[vale sage]

i generally think that anyone can do art and its kinda a lazy excuse to say you cant, sure, you might not think its as good as people who have been doing it for a long time, but it'd be more valuable than just generating a regurgitated image of your character imo!

[dense gulch]

I don't think i've ever seen a Elf ear in sims :p

[vale sage]

the sims and like, those picrew things are good ideas

[woven flint]

Indeed

[hushed mason]

Sims 4? They have elf ears. 🙂

[stoic haven]

Hello to everyone

[naive cedar]

I can’t draw a circle with a compass. I use stuff like heroforge to visualize characters

[vale sage]

i know people use those sometimes

[hushed mason]

You can also make vampires and werewolves.

[dense gulch]

no dlc needed well that rare for ea

[hushed mason]

I made some yuan-ti just by changing the skin colour to green.

[woven flint]

Actually, Disturbingly enough
Warforged DO actually have a biological component in their own type of "Blood"

[halcyon bison]

Just be careful not to get shattered, warforged

[tropic plank]

Probably like session 4, 5 maybe
You’ve gotten into the game, but you’re not advanced enough for spells and bonuses to become confusing

[feral fulcrum]

That's a bizarre question to ask. Because anything can happen from start to finish.

[dense gulch]

I thought you needed the occult dlc

[delicate owl]

When dnd discussion isnt about dnd anymore 🙁

[vale sage]

i think its better to ask what level people like best

[hushed mason]

I don't have any occult dlc. I don't like playing with them.

[dense gulch]

Including the tail???

[naive cedar]

The one where you get fireball

[vale sage]

since thats more mechanically universal than narrative sessions that can differ dramaticaally

[lyric viper]

Hmm... I think 2024 lets cure wounds work on constructs. It no longer has the 'doesn't work on undead and constructs' rule

[hushed mason]

No tail. jUst a pureblood yuan-ti.

[vale sage]

i like levels 3-6 the best :)

[dense gulch]

My yanti is the sterotypical Medusda the tail but no snake hair

[halcyon bison]

So just like a regular person?

[tropic plank]

Like the first king of Athens obviously

[hushed mason]

I'm running the Fortress of the Yuan-ti right now, so I have lots of different visualizations going on.

[halcyon bison]

or do they still turn people to stone

[dense gulch]

No Upper body of a women and no legs but a long Snake tail

[molten pumice]

Approximatly 500/790 of my characters were rendered in heroforge or some other character building app, the remaining ~290 have been me finding art i like on Pinterest and using that as a placeholder until I either am able to get back into heroforge, or feel the need to commission art for them using the inspiration pictures as references. You can use just about anything to represent a character.

[vale sage]

when your mother is a gorgon and your dad is a human so youre just some guy with funny eyes

[hushed mason]

Medusas in D&D are bi-pedal. At least, they were in 3.5

[severe rampart]

You've made 790 characters?

[tropic plank]

EIGHT HUNDRED CHARACTERS?! How do you have such a massive mind

[iron herald]

Video game devs be like

[feral fulcrum]

I think you're mistaking Medusa's for Lamia's. Medusa's are snaked hair humanoids with legs, and petrifying gazes. Lamia's are the Humans with Snake lower halves.

[woven flint]

Fun Fact:
Gorgons were originally Bull creatures in mythology

[molten pumice]

795 currently, most likely 800 by the end of today or the week... depending on whatever art or ideas pass me by

[tropic plank]

Like 90% of video game characters are background npcs or the same enemy pasted around seventeen hundred times

[wanton sorrel]

really?

[dense gulch]

Idc what wotc says to me a Yuanti is a Lamia and that monster they make Lamia are idk what the hell they were smoking a camel centaur :p

[naive cedar]

And I thought I made a ton of characters

[woven flint]

Or, wait, that MIGHT have been D&D mythology lol

[dense gulch]

Didn't she originally in the myth have a Snake tail?

[iron herald]

That's kinda what I'm getting at. Surely some of these have to be very, very similar. 😛

[rough basalt]

DnD Gorgons are indeed bulls

[molten pumice]

The little marker on D&D beyond says "/unlimited" so I'm gonna hold them to that 🙂‍↕️ 🙂‍↕️

[woven flint]

Gorgons in D&D are magical bulls with Metallic Scales on their bodies

[tropic plank]

I’ve thought up like seventeen characters in my entire life

[wanton sorrel]

someone made so many characets... My gosh???? so many backstory for all those right?

[naive cedar]

I remember she had one in the 80s Perseus movie

[woven flint]

Gorgons and Medusa's in D&D are notably two very different creatures

[naive cedar]

Also gorgon was another word for Medusa I believe

[dense gulch]

I remeber Medusa was one of the 3 Gorgan aka Lamia Sisters

[lyric viper]

I used to love bonding with a PC by drawing them, but as I've had less and less time, sometime's I'll use a pinterest pic for a token until I get something drawn- but for oneshots or such, it's going to just be a random image.

[hushed mason]

The term "gargones" to refer to Medusa and her sisters goes back to ancient Greece. Hesiod called them that.

https://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Gorgones.html

[tropic plank]

‘And this is character 185, a tiefling rouge with a dead mother. And this is 186, a tiefling rouge with a dead father! And this is 187, a Dragonborn rouge with a dead-‘

[feral fulcrum]

Which doesn't mean much because Hollywood is often about as accurate as throwing a dart from the next solar system over and trying to land it in a thimble.

[woven flint]

I know, I realized I was mistaken for D&D mythology lol

[dense gulch]

But really what was WOTC smoking when they made 3 differnt races for the same Mystical Race but 3 differnt monster
Bull
Camel centuar
Yan-ti

[hushed mason]

Gorgons in 3.5 are metallic bovine-like creatures.

[woven flint]

DAMN YOU, silly fictional game with Interesting Mythology

[molten pumice]

If you squint, everyone on earth is a human fighter with a dead mom, or a mom who will be dead by the end of the campaign.

[rough basalt]

I hate having a bunch of DnD ideas but no energy or game

[tropic plank]

This is frying my brain
I study Hesiod like wha

[naive cedar]

I’ve studied Aristotle and Plato

[tropic plank]

Not me I’m a Druid

[woven flint]

Sirens, however, aren't mermaids like commonly depicted by people, but actually are Bird people like Harpies in original mythology

[dense gulch]

suprised wendigo isn't in dnd

[woven flint]

Probably out of respect

[hushed mason]

Every time I play the Sims, I recreated Hesiod's Theogony.

[dense gulch]

?

[hushed mason]

Wendigo is in D&D...

[naive cedar]

Were sirens the ones that Odysseus was almost charmed by?

[tropic plank]

I suppose the two are so different at this point and have both been around so long that both interpretations of the creature are now basically two separate mythological species

[tropic plank]

I’m right here

[woven flint]

Nope, the Original bird depiction is the correct one

[rough basalt]

I'm tempted to flesh out my homebrew worlds magic college for no reason

[dense gulch]

I thought you were asking to be wendigo abducted

[woven flint]

you COULD say they're "Two different species" But history shows they were bird people first

[hushed mason]

Wendigo appears in 3e.

[tropic plank]

I am, but Wendigo also serves as a shorthand for my username

[hushed mason]

I think they were in Friend Folio.

[naive cedar]

Yeah sirens are bird people and were the people that Odysseus’s crew were charmed by

[dense gulch]

I asked as in my Monster manual it just

Warhorse
Warriors
Water Elemental
Water Weird
Weasel
Werebear
Wereboar
Wererat
Weretiger
Werewolf
White Dragons
Wight
Will-o’-Wisp
Winter Wolf
Wolf
Worgs
Wraith
Wyvern

No Wendigo

[naive cedar]

I miss werefoxes

[woven flint]

Also, I think the depiction of Sirens as mermaids came around sometime during the Renaissance period... maybe? don't quote me

[lyric viper]

There's some fun origins for D&D monsters.
Rakshasa seem entirely based on one episode of Night Stalker (Episode 11) so Gygax must have been a fan.
A bunch of the iconics (Bulette, Owlbear, Rust Monster) were based on plastic toys from hongkong.
Gibbering Mouther used to be a single Gibbering Mother.

[tropic plank]

The water based sirens have been a colloquial species for long enough to have become a valid mythical thing, like how Greek mythology would’ve bee considered religion in their time, and is now a myth to us

[molten pumice]

It wouldn't be under Wendigo because the culture that word comes from doesn't want people who aren't from that culture referring to things with that word. Least as far as I recall

[feral fulcrum]

I don't, they were...walking offensive stereotypes from what I recall. I Like the idea of Were-people, but I super did not care for the execution of "Oops all offensive stereotypes about women."

[hushed mason]

Fiend Folio. Page 186.

[vale sage]

i did know this yea

[naive cedar]

Wait really? I just remember they were elves who could turn into foxes

[vale sage]

the lybian beast, yea

[dense gulch]

But yea why did they make Lamia and Gorgan not Snake Race? I still wonder what they were smoking when they decide that

[woven flint]

No, I was incorrect and thinking about the D&D creature, unless I was right but from the wrong angle? lol

[vale sage]

they were basically "kitsune" or whatever

[hushed mason]

It appears in Fiend Folio for 3e. Page 186...

[naive cedar]

Ooooh yeah that makes sense.

[hushed mason]

Medium-sized fey.

[lyric viper]

werefoxes were very much kistune- only women, 'fairy' (elf), would kidnap men.

[tropic plank]

From what I’ve seen it’s more the many inaccurate depictions of the cultural iconography, not necessarily the name or idea of the thing itself
I could be wrong however

[woven flint]

I don't think they're valid, personally, as its a misinterpertation of another culture, its not OFFENSIVE or anything, but thats just my opinion

[molten pumice]

3e was before a lot of people cared what the originating cultures thought of the things they made

[naive cedar]

I remember them being mostly female but I don’t remember the kidnapping men part.

[woven flint]

Every culture has had creatures that disguise themselves as seductive mortals though, so..

[tropic plank]

It’s like, they’re both called ‘sirens’ but they’re so different that it’s not entirely true to say the mermaid sirens have replaced the bird sirens

Outside of the pop culture ideas of Greek culture

[woven flint]

Whats the spider lady thing from Japanese Myhtology again?

[hot marlin]

So, fun fact, originally, they're not even bird people. Originally they are not described

[dense gulch]

anyways does anyone know when we be getting new offical spell cards

[vagrant quartz]

oh yeah that one

[molten pumice]

That does sound a bit more accurate to what I've heard, but I think it'd still loop around in practice to not calling the thing most of us are picturing when we see "wendigo" that if it showed up in the books

[feral fulcrum]

They were also all supposed to be incredibly, narccisitically vain, cruel, and IIRC obsessed with shiny objects.

[hot marlin]

Their oldest appearance is in the Odyssey where they are... Just a voice rising from the mist and the song.

It is only later when they were represented as bird women

[naive cedar]

I don’t remember that part lol. I’ll take your word for it though. I haven’t read the 2e monster manuals in years

[woven flint]

Jorōgumo!
thats the spider lady thing from japanese myth, I rember...

[lyric viper]

Most D&D monsters have (naturally) changed from the original creature in myth.
I think it's only an issue if the change ends up:

• Missing a really important, sacred/vital part of the creature in the original myth so it feels a little insensitive to downplay them.
• Using them as a caricature and continues misconceptions of the culture they're from

[tropic plank]

I hope my username isn’t offensive, I’ve read up on what the wendigo actually was and I just thought the name itself sounded cool
Nobodies ever told me it was rude so far, and if they did I’d likely change it

[vagrant quartz]

one day ill get to eat cucumbers in the river with a friendly kappa

[vagrant quartz]

life goals

[naive cedar]

I’d like werefoxes again but more leaning into the “cunning like a fox” part than the weird pseudo-kitsunes. I just like foxes lol

[woven flint]

Wait until you hear about how Kappa actually eat people...

[feral fulcrum]

Well there is Pathfinder's Tian Xia if you ever need inspiration.

[tropic plank]

A lot of DnD’s borrowed creatures are the most shallow and recognisable version available, because when the dm says you see a pack of sirens most people assume it’s the mermaids not harpies

[vagrant quartz]

i specified friendly !

[feral fulcrum]

Are you talking about the butt balls that's your soul?

[woven flint]

If you feed a Kappa a cucumber or give one as an offering I'm sure it'd probably tolerate you?

[vagrant quartz]

i just wanna eat cucumbers in water

i might be dehydrated hold up

[naive cedar]

Alsoooo a lot of older DND lore with all-female races leaned heavily into the whole “women are all vain and duplicitous” thing, although they’ve moved away from rhat

[woven flint]

Kappa's eat people by uh...
Butt.

Like, how Vultures eat carrion

[molten pumice]

I don't know that it's the kind of thing anyone from the outside would approach you to say is wrong. You're an icon on a screen to most, so for all they know it could be a thing from your culture. The way I move through life, I wouldn't use a term I heard another culture was protective of to refer to myself, but at a certain point you gotta be able to like what you like and live your own life. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[lyric viper]

Although it can be a bit annoying when the most commonly known version of a creature from myth/folklore is the popularised D&D-eqsue version. But alas, that is much of how folklore and fantasy works. You could argue for hours about the 'True, true version of X' if you start digging that.

[woven flint]

Speaking of Vultures, I should work on a Condor statblock...

[keen kestrel]

Thankfully, dnd as a whole has slowly progressed towards actually welcoming everyone into the space

[lyric viper]

Let there be boy swanmays.

[tropic plank]

DnD is a game that wants to appeal to the majority of the population it can, after all

[naive cedar]

Okay ngl I love swanmays

[tropic plank]

Let there be geesemays

[hushed mason]

So that the Corporation can make more money.

[woven flint]

Mayonaise but made of Swans?

[feral fulcrum]

Recalls Zeues being an official god in certain settings and grimaces

[vagrant quartz]

help i spat out my water

[woven flint]

Lmao

[hushed mason]

I use Zeus as a deity in my campaign. I have a Hellenic pantheon in addition to a homemade one.

[lyric viper]

May! Swan MAY
Zeus is by no means a May (maiden)

[keen kestrel]

Drink more water, problem solved

[naive cedar]

I like the idea of a lot of the feminine races (swanmays, werefoxes, sirens, nymphs, whatever) but I don’t like the stereotyping of women

[lyric viper]

Have fun bringing them back with various genders. NB and masc swanmays and nymphs.

[tropic plank]

Born to be pretty and slay goblins
forced to be a symbol of sexist thinking

[feral fulcrum]

Dryads are also typically female.

[lyric viper]

We've got male hags now. (I still volunteer 'Peepaw Greenmaw' as a hag name for any games)

[hushed mason]

All nymphs, including dryads, are traditionally female.

[main maple]

Hello dnd pals

[vagrant quartz]

OH YES

[hushed mason]

Satyrs, on the oher hand, are traditionally male.

[naive cedar]

I thought nymphs and dryads were two different things

[feral fulcrum]

Male hags will never not be kind of weird to me.

[woven flint]

Imagine being born a member of House Cannith, but being allergic to certain metals

Born to Forge, forced to Druid

[keen kestrel]

Nymphs tend to be near water and other foliage besides trees I believe

[hushed mason]

In ancient Greek myth, dryads are one type of nymph. There are others like oreads, meliads...

[molten pumice]

Succubus and incubus are now distinctions between a waken form and a dreaming form now, instead of being gendered

[woven flint]

Which is BASED!

[hushed mason]

Based?

[keen kestrel]

It means awesome

[vagrant quartz]

based on what?

[lyric viper]

I wasn't certain until I saw some art of like.. a gangly old man and then a hideous male hag monster and was like 'ah yes. That works'.

[hushed mason]

Since when?

[naive cedar]

Based? Based on what?

[woven flint]

You're telling me that if they can't seduce me, they'll use my dreams against me?
That's pretty sick

[keen kestrel]

For awhile lmao

[tropic plank]

Hags are weird to me
Stories about how little children can never trust little old ladies or they’ll eat them up

[hushed mason]

Probably as long as "literally" has meant the opposite thing then...

[keen kestrel]

Kids come up with lots of strange slang

[molten pumice]

Washer? I barely know her!

[woven flint]

I'm in my 20's. 🗿

[halcyon bison]

Hags are friends
You should trust them :)

They're just misunderstood

[severe rampart]

Damn... so have you already been out coffin shopping?

[keen kestrel]

Don’t forget sick means the opposite sometimes

[woven flint]

I'm an adult person, I just think based is nice short-term

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, the appearence and concept isn't an issue for me. It's just that Hag is pretty much just Synonomous with "Ugly old lady." and my brain won't budge from that.

[tropic plank]

I don’t believe you but unfortunately this is out of my area of hagspertise so I’ll take your word for it

[vagrant quartz]

how would you call a male hag?

[hushed mason]

A hag.

[keen kestrel]

A hag?

[woven flint]

A Bastard /joking

[severe rampart]

a hag

[hushed mason]

Although, I wouldn't have one. I'm afraid I'll stick with the old versions of these gendered races.

[lyric viper]

That.. is also a thing. I'm happy to step away from that. I've seen Churl as a masculine version of Hag.

[naive cedar]

Idk I like hags being seemingly nice little old ladies

[rough basalt]

Codger

[vagrant quartz]

hmm

[hushed mason]

It's nice to have things just for women, sometimes.

[halcyon bison]

They ARE nice they give you cookies :>

[lyric viper]

Ogre, honestly.

[severe rampart]

Seniors...

[woven flint]

Can't wait for you to get out of your teens then some pipsqueak tell you that
Karmatic fate n such, whatever

[tropic plank]

Is eating children a gendered hobby?

[feral fulcrum]

That's how you get an infestation of Shreks.

[naive cedar]

Yeah

[wanton sorrel]

what is your favorite D&D item?

[hushed mason]

Yes. Males aren't age discriminate.

[tropic plank]

There go my weekend plans

[vagrant quartz]

feywild shard

[keen kestrel]

This made me spit out my drink lmao

[tropic plank]

Who would’ve guessed

[severe rampart]

Tokii I will never age, I am an ageless being

[rough basalt]

If I ever get a Wild Magic Sorc in my games I'm putting a Feywild Shard in asap

[woven flint]

The Rod of Lordly Might

Not only because of its name, but also because it can be so many martial weapons in one

[vagrant quartz]

yeah lol

[rough basalt]

My favorite item is the Flying Carpet

[severe rampart]

Probably the dice, idk

[keen kestrel]

Bet you’d never guess my favorite class then

[severe rampart]

is it a Sorcadin

[woven flint]

My favorite class is the one that does the thing

[keen kestrel]

Nah, it’s clearly a rogue

[naive cedar]

Hmmm I wonder what my favourite class is

[tropic plank]

In shocking news, the fey enjoyer likes the fey
More on the ‘eleven elves named Elvis’ at 12

[severe rampart]

...so NOT ranger

[feral fulcrum]

Bags of holding.

[tropic plank]

Mine was English

[halcyon bison]

I did not know what that did before now but I lookt it up and you are objectively correct

[keen kestrel]

In point of fact, I don’t like sorcadin all that much, I prefer both classes as mono classes

[rough basalt]

I'm glad I've removed bags of holding from my setting (they're not removed, just much rarer)

[severe rampart]

Oh boy we're all turning punny

[vagrant quartz]

its so stupid and i love it

[woven flint]

Oh! Another contender for favorite magic item

Robe of Eyes
It gives you 120ft of Dark Vision and True Sight

[keen kestrel]

Though I’m not a huge fan of multi classing anyway

[rough basalt]

Speaking of robes I wanna play a Wizard now more than my Pally

[tropic plank]

I’ve jus got an eye for puns :3

[vagrant quartz]

robe of remind the dm

[severe rampart]

What? is that just a robe sewn with eyes? or a robe with eyes stitched on it? what?

[feral fulcrum]

Why? Felt like bullying your players into carting around a cart and some donkies?

[rough basalt]

Yes

[woven flint]

My Cleric in Dragon Heist rolled it up for loot and now he can see the lovely poltergeist fellow that lives in our Bar/Manor (the former owner)

[tropic plank]

If your party doesn’t name the donkey ‘arseload’ are you really playing DnD

[rough basalt]

Nah, it's due to lore reasons

[keen kestrel]

Every game I’ve ever played i don’t think I’ve seen a single bag of holding

[severe rampart]

Be an artificer then

[feral fulcrum]

The bags turned into mimics, and started eating hands. And so the great Bag-slaying of 42 took place.

[keen kestrel]

Kind of plan to, the dm can’t stop me from making bags of holding now!

[woven flint]

Depends on dm, mine is a Cloak with purple crystals that look like Beholder eyes

[vagrant quartz]

was that the bite of 42?

[severe rampart]

Boring, why don't you hunt down the beholders yourself and sew a coat out of them

[tropic plank]

No, there were just 42 bags involved

[keen kestrel]

Oh man, a DnD inspired FNAF campaign would be fun

[woven flint]

But. If you look at The Robe of Eyes' art, the Eyes are actually real eyes

[tropic plank]

When did you realise that

[rough basalt]

Now I wanna run another game

[keen kestrel]

Do it

[wanton sorrel]

so like a D&D crossover?

[severe rampart]

Do it

[rough basalt]

I already got 2 games running

[severe rampart]

Ah. I just Echoed your words

[woven flint]

I don't know if that was intended to be rude, but someone was asking me if the eyes were real or not on the Cloak.
I told them officially, yes.

[keen kestrel]

Weak numbers, time to add a third

[tropic plank]

-# it was a pun because you said real eyes

[feral fulcrum]

I'm wishing for it to be tomorrow already. I'm excited to do a Vision Quest.

[woven flint]

🗿 no.

[wanton sorrel]

i'm excited to get my 7 set dices sometime now or feb 5th T_T

[severe rampart]

A mod nearly swept down like a bird of prey on you Tokii

[woven flint]

I didn't find it funny.
And I'm the LORD of goofy!

[keen kestrel]

I’m glad I have a local tcg that has sets

[halcyon bison]

It's always better to have more eyes. Just look at beholders!

[wanton sorrel]

lucky i have to buy my dice online.

[rough basalt]

I'm in 3 games total

[woven flint]

We may or may not kick Xanathars ass later, idk

[severe rampart]

counting or not counting games you DM?

[rough basalt]

Counting

[tropic plank]

More weak spots to poke with your fingers though

[severe rampart]

Rookie numbers

[vagrant quartz]

2 words, pocket sand

[woven flint]

Ah yes, poke the beholder eye
Get close to the floating ball of TEETH

[severe rampart]

I shouldn't be talking I'm drowning in "paperwork" (I decided to host a JJK DnD campaign)

[severe rampart]

This is a mess to balance

[tropic plank]

Can’t do anything with those teeth if you’re writhing in agony because I just plucked three of those eight eyes

[rough basalt]

My health usually gets to me with higher game amounts

[feral fulcrum]

The Eyebeams are much scarier then the teeth.

[woven flint]

I dunno, I think the Beholder would be just fine with its other eyes

[tropic plank]

Every game gives you a level of exhaustion

[rough basalt]

Tho with my current 2 dm'd games having people who read their sheets its a lot off my shoulder.

[vagrant quartz]

wall of sand :)

[keen kestrel]

What’s even crazier is it’s like 2 minutes from my apartment

[hot marlin]

I would take a hundred bite attacks over a single round of eye ray any day

[wanton sorrel]

i think i only like to run 1 game.... having more would make my brain get destoryed by math and by how many npc's I think i'm going to stick to 1 game at a time... (I'm a noob)

[woven flint]

(Looks at myself with literally a game every day of the week)
How the hell am I alive?

[severe rampart]

you pick a module? or homebrew?

[vagrant quartz]

living the dream

[keen kestrel]

That’s called living the dream

[tropic plank]

You’re a lich of some variety

[vagrant quartz]

jinx!

[halcyon bison]

If you could add or remove one letter from any dnd spell, what spells would you create?
For example: Power word Krill

[woven flint]

I'm talking about as an actual person, not a D&D character

[glass granite]

I ask me that every other that. How do yall do it

[severe rampart]

Clearly, you're a mind flayer spawn.

[tropic plank]

The games are your phylacteries at that point

[wanton sorrel]

module... never homebrew... homebrew has more roleplaying in it and is more opened world....

[hot marlin]

I would still much rather be bitten than disintegrated!

[woven flint]

Ew, I'm not one of those SQUIDFACES...

[keen kestrel]

I mean, I might be adding a 4th campaign to my list soon

[severe rampart]

WOAH WOAH let's calm down!

[woven flint]

I think a beholder could just swallow you whole 😭

[vagrant quartz]

mmmm squid....

[keen kestrel]

Hopefully within the next month or so, still waiting to see if we’re gonna run it

[severe rampart]

Damn we're not in the same boat 😭 it's all homebrew for me, I'm dying and I need to balance out every thing

[tropic plank]

Now now, don’t insult the glorious illithid
I mean the flayers

[keen kestrel]

I’ve had a mix of both, I do like faerun content a lot though

[woven flint]

Don't ask what I call Warforged.

[Insert Menacing Goku Here]

[wanton sorrel]

i'm truly sorry.... maybe one day when i get good enough.

[vagrant quartz]

the c word?

[keen kestrel]

But we might play a tomb of annihilation campaign soon

[tropic plank]

No, rustbuckets

[woven flint]

Clankers!

[severe rampart]

what's worse is all my players (3) start at level 1 and at the start of session 1 will have to 1v1 something and survive

[vagrant quartz]

:0

[rough basalt]

If I run another game it'll be a module

[woven flint]

To be fair, I actually love Warforged
Their existence is a bit tragic 😔

[keen kestrel]

Not the scary (checks notes) rabbit?

[tropic plank]

If I ever run another game, it’ll be the same plot as the last one I did but none of my players will know that

[vagrant quartz]

im off to rewatch dungeon meshi for the 50th time

[severe rampart]

nope, it's a jjk campaign, unfortunately

[keen kestrel]

I wanna do an Eberron campaign so badly

[rough basalt]

Hmm.
That's a good idea.
None of the player's from my last game are in my group anymore

[tropic plank]

Not the scary (checks notes) rabbit curse?

[woven flint]

In Eberron, they legally can't be created anymore, but the Warforged that do exist still have their own lives and hobbies they can pursue

[rough basalt]

So I can reuse all the maps and monsters.

[keen kestrel]

I’d play in it lmao

[tropic plank]

I’m just very attached to my Sharran vampire idea

[rough basalt]

I wanna do something in a desert or jungle.

[severe rampart]

I am not playing another campaign at all, I play two, and am hosting one, I am a-okay with my amount of campaigns

[dusky summit]

Hey Guys... Having a hard time finding a campaign through discord...
And just trying my luck here as well...
I am a newbie btw

Apologies if this message is not allowed here

[woven flint]

I hope the Lord of Blades eradicates your party :>

[severe rampart]

#looking-for-players

[keen kestrel]

Tomb of annihilation works for this no?

[glass granite]

I recommend reading through #find-a-game to find out how to best look for games via this server.

[rough basalt]

Yeah but ToA requires a specific players to make up the party

A rare player type for 5e.

[severe rampart]

has there actually been anyone here who's played a jjk campaign? if so, any tips?

[keen kestrel]

Oh yeh, you have to solve puzzles

[hushed mason]

I just posted in #looking-for-players yesterday.

[naive cedar]

JJK?

[woven flint]

People that actually read?

[woven flint]

Jujitsu Kaisen

[naive cedar]

ah

[keen kestrel]

People with intelligence

[rough basalt]

People that actually read and don't just sit there doing nothing

[crimson gulch]

Tomb of anhilliation is great

[woven flint]

Introducing

Myself 😎

[naive cedar]

is jjk the new my hero academia or something

[keen kestrel]

Do… people not do that?

[woven flint]

No? But yes.

[rough basalt]

Last time I tried to run it, the whole party wouldn't interact with anything or speak.

[severe rampart]

yeah, TLDR

Players are forced to compete in a killing game in order to survive, my players are in the culling game, so they have to hold out and gain points by killing others

[naive cedar]

old lady voice in my day all we had was dragon balls and naruto, and we were greatful

[keen kestrel]

Did they wanna play dnd? That’s literally what I show up to do every week

[keen kestrel]

You mean evangelion and trigun?

[naive cedar]

that was what the cool kids watched

[severe rampart]

oh dear, it seems I've dug too hard and now my tooth is bleeding, bye everyone

[tropic plank]

Here in dnd we still have dragons balls

[rough basalt]

I got the feeling they didn't like how I DM'd

[naive cedar]

and the coolest kids watched utena and sailor moon

[woven flint]

I don't even watch anime like that tbh.

[hushed mason]

I feel so old.

[rough basalt]

Since I wasn't protecting them, and would challenge them.

[keen kestrel]

That’s ok

[hushed mason]

I pre-date Pokemon.

[naive cedar]

Ngl same.the only shonen anime i can stand is the old stuff like gundam (if that counts? idk). i mostly like shojo/seinen

[keen kestrel]

That’s not that old though

[woven flint]

I'm not an Anime enjoyer
I've watched some to an extent and can laugh at and understand memes to a degree, but Anime bores me to the umpth degree

[tropic plank]

Is sailor moon still a good show or is there any better magical girl shows now? I sorta want to run a magical girl campaign ngl

[keen kestrel]

Pokemon is only like 30 years old almost

[severe rampart]

okay, I am back with a distinct metallic copper taste in my mouth

[keen kestrel]

There’s that really violent one where they throw hands

[woven flint]

Mob Psycho was one of the ONLY animes I've watched to completion

It's only 3 seasons, but its good

[rough basalt]

But yeah for ToA as written. You need active players who know how to use their agency.

[severe rampart]

Darn, you should try Saiki K

[naive cedar]

The sailor moon manga is great IMO although its a bit dated. I can recommend other magical girl shows if you're interested in the off topic channel

[woven flint]

I have
But I just like Mob better

[severe rampart]

... Madoka Magica 😊

[woven flint]

Oh, yeah
Dorohedoro is another I watched..
For reasons...

[naive cedar]

madoka magica isnt really a typical magical girl show and is better watched with some familiarity with the genre

[keen kestrel]

Oh, it’s called Vivid Strike

[tropic plank]

Are you perhaps undergoing ceremorphosis

[severe rampart]

Shhhhh they don't know that

[naive cedar]

Bruh does anyone not know that pmmm is super dark by now

[woven flint]

Don't ruin the bit, dingus

[naive cedar]

its like 15 years old

[keen kestrel]

But do you pre date magic the gathering?

[tropic plank]

I have in fact heard a few things about Madoka

[naive cedar]

Its honestly not even the best deconstruction of the magical girl genre

[tropic plank]

Does anyone

[woven flint]

Oh!
Death Parade was... fun.. 🗿

[keen kestrel]

My parents do, but they’re very old

[naive cedar]

Death parade is more in line with the kind of anime i enjoy

[hushed mason]

Based on Wikipedia... yes.

[woven flint]

Indeed!

[severe rampart]

honestly, I'd die for a Soul Eater-esque power system/spell in DnD

[hushed mason]

I had an Atari 2600 when I was a kid.

[naive cedar]

Anyways I'll happily recommend some magical girl shows in non-dnd-topics if anyone is interested

[feral fulcrum]

Eating souls for power?

[woven flint]

Helps that Death Parade was animated by the same Studio that animated Death Note

[keen kestrel]

I will not be telling you how old my parents are then

[naive cedar]

Omg death note

[severe rampart]

Synchronization between two individuals, to the point that one of them turns into a weapon for the other to use

[tropic plank]

You could play a very flavourful eldritch blade or bound warlock

[rough basalt]

I think I'll start an FR 5e game once my thursday game concludes.

[keen kestrel]

Since my parents may… or may not have also had ataris growing up

[woven flint]

Full Metal Alchemist when I lose my toes in an equivalent exchange 😔

[keen kestrel]

Sounds like fun

[tropic plank]

What’re you exchanging them for

[severe rampart]

I have only heard of that in those videos about people talking about their childhood

[rough basalt]

I doubt I'll stick to it

[woven flint]

Free Pizza for a week

[keen kestrel]

Just run an Eberron, ez

[severe rampart]

were you there for the tamagotchis?

[tropic plank]

Not worth both toes, should’ve only given one

[hushed mason]

I would have been in high school.

[woven flint]

Both?
Friend, how many toes do you have?

[rough basalt]

Eberron, I like it but eh

[young marten]

Ah well okay

[severe rampart]

Woah, what about Furbies?

[tropic plank]

Two, like a perfectly normal normal person

[hushed mason]

Oh, wait... post-highschool for a tamogatchi.

[woven flint]

Riiight

[rough basalt]

I need another game as a player tho so my gaming is balanced.

[keen kestrel]

I have some concerns

[hushed mason]

Furbie... post-high school

I grew up watching My Little Ponies, She-Ra, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[tropic plank]

About my number of toes or me being a perfectly normal normal person

[severe rampart]

... I also did

[hushed mason]

And... I mean the original MLP and She-Ra.

[severe rampart]

ah. well New Generation, then She-Ra new gen too, and TMNT... 2012 (which is 14 years ago wth?)

[naive cedar]

I also watched OG MLP because I had a dvd of the episodes

[woven flint]

Yes, the answer is yes

[tropic plank]

Do you not have two toes

[woven flint]

We should probably go back to talking about the thing with the Dragons
Before mods disintegrate us

[tropic plank]

Idk what berk has to do with this

[hushed mason]

Yes. I'm feeling old. Like a dragon.

[woven flint]

Like a WHAT?

[hushed mason]

Dragons are old.

[woven flint]

Yakuza fans when someone says Like a Dragon

[hushed mason]

Ohhh.

[tropic plank]

Isn’t there an entire stat block dedicated to young dragons

[severe rampart]

... this feels like a cheap shot, so I won't take it

[naive cedar]

I’m still not sure what yakuza is about

[tropic plank]

The Japanese mafia

[rough basalt]

A serious crime drama interrupted by hilariousness

[hushed mason]

Well, yes, but the important ones are old. 😉

[woven flint]

Making friends and gambling, duh

[limber trail]

Dragons are cool

[naive cedar]

I’ve seen so many clips from it and videos of the dude dancing or whatever but I just. Don’t comprehend it

[tropic plank]

Oh so you’re a young dragon?

[naive cedar]

It looks like fun though

[marble lion]

Gangster life

[hushed mason]

I never said I was a dragaon. Just that I feel old like one. Leave the old lady be.

[woven flint]

Yakuza is a good game Series
Silly shit aside, the stories in the games are heart wrenching 😭

[tropic plank]

Yes ma’am

[glass granite]

How’s Nugget doing?

[woven flint]

What

[glass granite]

What?

[severe rampart]

I think she has a pet named Nugget?

[hushed mason]

I think ookay? He's hard to tell apart from some of the other new roosters.

[glass granite]

As long as he’s aliveee

[severe rampart]

AHA! I knew it

[hushed mason]

I have a rooster named Nugget.

[woven flint]

I will eat nugget.

The server nugget, I mean

[severe rampart]

... so you have a... Chicken Nugget

[limber trail]

I ate chicken nuggets earlier

[glass granite]

That’s why I’m the 2nd, NuggetestNuggetyNugget

[hushed mason]

I have roosters named Nugget, Sonic, Snowball, Peg, Little Jerk, Karen, Kevin, and Smarty.

[tropic plank]

That’s like naming a dwarf ribs

[hushed mason]

Oh, and George!

[severe rampart]

Did you also name the smurfs?

[woven flint]

What

[limber trail]

Any plans to get a rooster named Big Jerk?

[tropic plank]

Naming a chicken nugget is like naming a dwarf ribs

[woven flint]

I think I'd rather eat a Halfling over a Dwarf

[wanton sorrel]

is there a chicken nugget boss for D&D?

[hushed mason]

Heck no. We don't keep mean roosters.

[tropic plank]

Less muscle, more fat

[severe rampart]

no, less meat on their bones

[woven flint]

What the hell.

[limber trail]

Noted

[tropic plank]

Stop echoing me.

[umbral girder]

Dwarves likely a lot tougher

[woven flint]

That's not a question,by the way, this is a STATEMENT

[hushed mason]

A halfling would be more tender than a dwarf...

[severe rampart]

Yeah but dwarves are more juicy