dnd-discussion

[rough basalt]

notably one cleric in a one shot that was not secretly a worshipper of the bbeg from the main campaign it was like a prelude of

[small heath]

I like to vary the personality of my characters. Bh'aub is an ego but helpful and wants to be seen as the "favorite" out of the group. He craves for attention and being the hero.

7 is the warforged who wants to swindel and steal. He is a bit selfish and comments often that "fleshbags" are inferior. (He is funny though).

Out'oh, my Drow Druid, relies on friendship and wants to be social, but he has PTSD and is terrified of the dark. Which is ironic because he is the Circle of the Underdark.

[rough basalt]

I'm admittedly an edgy character enjoyer

if said character actually has depth and can change which mine usually do

[small heath]

I learned recently that it's important to somewhat have your character be defined by the class in terms of personality, but you can ebb and flow away from the stereotype.

[rough basalt]

like my paladin is a ball of fury, but she can dance, thats just not a helpful skill against ole one hand, one eye

[woven flint]

I vary too.
My Two evil characters are very different sides of Evil

One wants to conquer in the name of his Deity and crush out hope

While the other likes to exploit people when he offers his healing services

[reef copper]

Depends on class i would say

[rough basalt]

Rowan has cooking skills but she doesn't feel theyre important

[small heath]

In my case:

• ego sorcerer
• swindling fighter
• ptsd druid

[small heath]

Hey. Money is money.

[reef copper]

Lol 😜

[woven flint]

My Warlock whom
Isn't an Edgy fellow
Made a Pact with a Deity
And wants better for his people and believes that even if small, everyone could have some good in them

[small heath]

My homebrew im working on will be a warlock but he wants to clear a stigma against his society hes from that believes him to be a harbinger of death.

[woven flint]

He's a Drow Warlock of Elistraee

[rough basalt]

I'm tempted to take the chef feat for my last feat and let Rowan use her cooking skills

[woven flint]

My Fighter, also, doesn't really like Fighting or solving things with Violence! (Though he'll still Fight to defend, tis a Knights Oath afterall)

[blissful ibex]

• Whimsical Druid
• Anarchistic, hard-partying rabble-rouser of a Bard
• Paladin of helm who is annoyed by people not conducting themselves with a level of seriousness because she grew up with said bard as her mother
• Long Suffering Wizard
• Wallflower Rogue
• Somewhat mad back-alley Alchemist-Artificer

[rough basalt]

Either Durable, Chef or Mage Slayer for that 1 strength point for no reason cause of the LR

[woven flint]

Helm mentioned, I knew you were my favorite slime lass for a reason 😎

[blissful ibex]

or GWM depending O_o

[rough basalt]

I'm a rogue that uses a hand crossbow and dagger

[small heath]

A rogue that grew up around Bards

Easy way to make money when everyone is dancing and drunk

[rough basalt]

So idk if I want 1 more point in con for more hp or Mage Slayer for the LR even tho my stats maxed

Maybe I'll take skill expert for even more skills to have guaranteed 20+ in and the con point.

[blissful ibex]

Sentinel gets you more oppurtunity attacks which means more sneak attacks c:
otherwise Charger or Grappler could be interesting

Charger on a rogue is really silly due to cunning action dash

gives you 10 extra foot of movement on a dash, lets you move enemies around a bit, or gives a bit of extra damage if you charge in
not a terrible option

[rough basalt]

Thinking skill expert.
Get expertise in Acrobatics so I can just autobreakout of grapples to truly lack any glaring weakness.

[thorn shale]

As a person with very little experience with DnD as a whole. I have had 2 characters but DMd some sessions.

Have characters become a lot more complicated?

[rough basalt]

Nope

Martials have a bit more options to do, but most of the changes were cleaning up bad wordings, adding further clarifications, and fixing up "exploits"

[thorn shale]

I am apparently just very "Basic" then I know of the core classes. But I have never done a multi class or anything that seems over conplex

[rough basalt]

Multiclassing is optional and a lot of people just don't do it at all

You are right that multiclassing makes characters more complex as it has a lot of room for error and pitfalls

But multiclassing isn't a mandatory thing.

[blissful ibex]

They gave each of the core classes a few nice little features early on as well to help even out tier 1 gameplay c:

[rough basalt]

In 2024 you're more often than not better just playing monoclass

In 2014 there could be arguments with certain classes but mostly it was just as optional.

[blissful ibex]

In 5e in generall, really.
It's incredibly easy to mess up a multiclass without doing a bunch of research beforehand and having a very solid understanding of the game in general as well as the individual classes

[rough basalt]

Especially rulewise cause in 2014 multiclassing was a DMs discretion optional rule

[thorn shale]

Is DnD essentially in a position where you have 5e and 5.5e?

[blissful ibex]

it's not exactly 5.5 because they're compatible, but it basically is, yeah.
Generally, if given the choice, pick the 2024 version of 5e.

[rough basalt]

Nah theyre not different enough.
2024 rules are basically 2014 rules without all the glaring mistakes.

But old content that hasn't been updated works usually seamlessly

The exception is Shepard Druid

They have a single feature you need to homebrew fix, but that's it.

[blissful ibex]

RIP shephard druid

[thorn shale]

Ok cool. I have the heroes of borderlands and I hope to get back into playing. Just not group just yet.

[marble lion]

Shepard

[rough basalt]

Their level 6 feature relies on stuff '24 abandoned so its a homebrew fix time

[empty thicket]

Welp, session ended today.
Had the bossfight i wanted and was epic as a Redbull commercial

My character was downed 2 times and those 2 times he stood back with a Nat20 that make him come back at his feets and lead to such aura farming moment
"IM NOT DEAD YET, COME ON!!"

One of the allies of the party will retire (a player want to change character), so the forced pacifist bard will retire and im getting a werewolf.
We had the whole goodbye and was nice

[marble lion]

Which is that

[rough basalt]

What it did was buff the hit die of summoned entities and gave them the ability to bypass non-magical BPS resistance

[empty thicket]

Now my party is:

A werewolf, a dhampir, a goblin, a hippopotamus and a half orc enter in a bar.

[rough basalt]

But 2024 summons don't use hit die, and non-magical bps got removed

[marble lion]

The equivalents are simple

[blissful ibex]

The one built around summoning, except the 2024 rules cut all the spells that summoned multiple entities which was basically what the subclass was built to support

[marble lion]

Force damage seems to have replaced this?

[rough basalt]

So it's a rather easy fix

Yeah can use Force Damage and add Druid level to your summons hp is what seemed a good change.

[marble lion]

Ok well that is a problem

[rough basalt]

Otherwise their other features work fine

[blissful ibex]

also, druid now has very few summoning spells in general because they ones they did fix became summon like effects but not actual summons

[unborn lotus]

I just gave it a read but couldn't spot it... What needs homebrew with Shepard?

[rough basalt]

Level 6 feature

[vale sage]

Hello

[rough basalt]

2024 doesn't have non-magical bps anymore and 2024 Summons have static HP + a number times per spell level rather than hit die

[unborn lotus]

Ah yeah no magical damage

[rough basalt]

Like Summon Dragon has 50 + 5 x spell level hp

[blissful ibex]

bear spirit is also heavily diminished after the changes to grapple

[rough basalt]

So the easy fix is Summons can use force damage, and add druid level to their hp on top of the extra spell hp

[blissful ibex]

and the level 14 feature references a spell that literally does not work like that anymore

[rough basalt]

Well that's an easy fix too

You just ignore the bottom half of the feature and cast 9th level Conjure Animals.

It's annoying but the mass summoning was a problem.

Which is why new Necromancer is looking to be able to have 2 minions as a max I think

I imagine 2024 Shepard might get the same feature to some regard

Something like Draconic Sorcs capstone maybe

A concless summon feature

[marble lion]

Shame

[blissful ibex]

Could also see it going more buff centric
could be interesting

[unborn lotus]

You still become grapple immune at least. But I don't think that's an enormous loss I hate 2014 grapple lol
It's dumb that it's basically the only instance of skills rather than saving throws being combat important, and it's dumb that it's basically the only contested roll in 5e

[marble lion]

I liked summons
Just needs a competent player, a smaller party size, and only 1 summoner

[blissful ibex]

also not a fan of the contested rolls, new one is far more streamlined and makes way more sense

[rough basalt]

ye it made some weird situations

like rogues and bards being better at grappling than strength martials and monks

Like sure you could "build into it" but 2024 grapple makes it a much more versatile and usable feature

Also useful grappler feat

[marble lion]

How does that happen?

[rough basalt]

expertise

Reliable talent + expertise for rogues
Enhance ability + expertise for Bards

[marble lion]

Oh expertise yeah

Enhance ability can be cast on anyone but yeah the expertsise true

I forget how big that is because i never reach proficiency over +3

[median abyss]

2024 grapple is much harder to boost

[marble lion]

Because its no longer an ability check?

[rough basalt]

It's still an ability check once they're grappled

But the initial grapple is an STR save

Which tbh is actually better for the game

Cause now martials can burn LRs by trying to grapple

Like my one boss that I ran that had LRs, all were used on the Paladins grapple attempts to avoid getting him turned into a group punching bag.

[unborn lotus]

Also just better because it removes all the weird grapple cheese. Like so much of the aforementioned ways to boost it are abilities which would generally be considered non combat

[rough basalt]

Basically the difference is
2014 Grapple: Takes specific investments to be annoying and worth doing
2024 Grapple: Every STR martial or Monk should be doing it every combat they're capable of doing so

[blissful ibex]

new grappler feat is really nice
also not having martials wasting turns on trying to restrain is nice as well

[unborn lotus]

Like guidance is to help with a skill check, generally doesn't help you fight better.
But in 2014 randomly helps you be a pro wrestler

[rough basalt]

Not to mention that feat restrained you as well

[empty thicket]

its okey to something being utility instead of combat tho

[rough basalt]

That's the point, it's a utility spell primarily

[unborn lotus]

Yeah I prefer it that way 😁
If it wasn't helping with attack rolls it shouldn't have helped with grapples

[blissful ibex]

had a big fight against a really scary caster using 5th level slots while the party was like level 3~4 and the barbarian didn't make a single attack because his first move was to grapple and then fail to use old grappler two times in a row while I had them stuck under a fog cloud to provent misty or other LoS shenanigans

[rough basalt]

That game I loved.

I used Finger of Death on that grappler paladin

His level 5 behind thought he wouldn't get hit with a 7th level spell cause he's only level 5

[molten linden]

Does anyone know of audio book editions of DnD sourcebooks?

[blissful ibex]

• none of the other players would make an attack under fog cloud even though it is still just a straight roll for some reason; ended up doing 27 damage to the guy myself and I think only one onter person damaged the dude. TBF they were having to deal with massive AoE spells as well but still

[empty thicket]

can maybe help with some checks or stuff, but in direct combat not at all

[buoyant oar]

Jean Rabe author of Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms and Spelljammer products passed away yesterday. Her passing was announced by Dragonlance Author Margret Weis.

1957-2026

[potent vector]

There's still grapple cheese, it's just different. For example, Elements Monk ranged grapple meaning you can use Spike Growth as a cheese grater

[unborn lotus]

That's basically unrelated, this is just making use of combat abilities

[potent vector]

Ah, reread and see you mean non combat features applying to combat shouldn't happen. Tbh, I disagree with that idea on a broad level just on the basis that creativity should be rewarded if the outcome doesn't exceed the relative output of characters of that level.

Which for example here would cover Grapple exploits, where I agree

[woven flint]

May she rest in peace, truly a legend!

[potent vector]

For example using Thaumaturgy to open an extremely unlocked large door/window that would normally require a check would be an exploit I'd be fine with

[woven flint]

I wouldn't say that's an exploit, thats just doing something the spell does, it also still takes an action anyway lol

[unborn lotus]

I just gave the grapple rules in the glossary a reread and can't find the answer. What happens to a creature's position when grappled?
They don't share a space, but they move with the grappler... So do they always remain at the same distance and angle to the grappler? Can the grappler freely change their position within their grapple range? Or would moving your grappled creatures position require you to spend your own movement even if you remain on the same square?

[woven flint]

Grappling experts, get on this one

[potent vector]

They stay in their own spaces, the grappled can be forced to move by the grappler

I believe swapping spaces is only possible if they're the same size

[charred panther]

Do you like pvp in your games?

[unborn lotus]

That's what I'm wondering, surely they're not locked into the same relative position to the grappler

Obviously I can move and take the grappled creature with me.
But what if I turn around on the same spot? For example I'm between spike growth and a creature, I grapple the creature, can I turn 180 to put the creature into spike growth without having to walk through it myself?

My square doesn't change and the grappled target remains within 5ft... But I still need to change its relative position. There's no rules for this but I think it would have to use the players movement even though they don't move 🤔

It's up to the DM since it's unwritten... Obviously you can move a creature through spike growth using your movement to make them take damage...

But if you rule that you can freely reposition your grappled target, you can grapple someone and then spin without expending movement for free infinity spike growth damage 😛

[woven flint]

Not many people do
I'd say actual Combat? No.

Ideals clashing? Yes.

There's more Player vs Player than JUST combat, afterall

[charred panther]

Yeah, in general, same
I don't like attempts to murder another pc or smth like that

[proven mountain]

Every time I've seen pvp its ended with someone upset because it didn't go the way they expected/wanted

[potent vector]

Double checked, so it says that you can only drag/carry the grappled creature when you move

No infinite spike Growth damage

[unborn lotus]

Yeah this is obviously not allowed

[potent vector]

Especially since the movement costs extra unless you're far bigger than them

[unborn lotus]

But I'm wondering what the extent of the movement allows. If I grapple someone to my east must they always remain to my east no matter what my character does and how they move?

[charred panther]

I just first-time encountered how people play Adventures League with lots of treachery, pvp, loot stealing and so on and was kind of shocked

So I'm became interested in learning how popular it is

[unborn lotus]

Because there's no rules for moving a grappled character relative to yourself.
Even though assumably my character turns around and changes position to fight other enemies even while dragging someone around

And the flipside is, if I use my movement to move 5ft. Can I move my grappled target 15ft? From the back of me to the front of me?
Neither ruling really works imo

[potent vector]

No, RAW it says you can basically rotate them anywhere within your reach every time you move. So theoretically you can only move their position 3 times with 30ft of movement because of the speed reduction

[woven flint]

A Fun Player VS Player scenario I've had in character while playing a game

My character wanted to spare a Warforged after she attempted to kill us... One of our teammates (who said Warforged threw off a Cliff... Twice!)
Said we should kill her
My character rationalized that she could probably be redeemed
The other player thought keeping her alive would be too dangerous to everyone
We Argue for a bit, then I remember that we talked to a couple of friendly Warforged and realmembeted they mentioned that their docents/cores could be removed without killing them and their body would cease functioning.. so we both got what we want! Lol

[unborn lotus]

Because they certainly shouldn't be cardinally locked

[unborn lotus]

Oh I couldn't find this! Where's that ruling?

[potent vector]

This second one is how it reads

[charred panther]

Compromises are awesome xD

[potent vector]

"Movable. The grappler can drag or carry you when it moves, but every foot of movement costs it 1 extra foot unless you are Tiny or two or more sizes smaller than it."
Ergo you need to move to move them

Which means a full 5ft move

[unborn lotus]

This doesn't say anything about rotation

[woven flint]

We also found out after that if we killed her, she would've self-destructee as a final attempt to kill us, so, my characters leveled head probably kept someone from dying lol

[potent vector]

It does say Abt moving them, with no limit aside from the aforementioned reach requirement.

[charred panther]

Right now I'm looking at some edgelord "I'm going to kill another PC to send his soul to hell" scenario and even when my character is not in danger, I kind of want to nope out of the situation entirely xD

[potent vector]

Since it says move singular that means it's def only once tho and not a multiple rotation move

[jolly oak]

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but I’ve been wanting to make a mage character, even though they haven’t existed since 2e, they still have a stat block in 5e, does anyone know any spells they get higher than level 5?

[woven flint]

He finds that his friends are quick to jump to violence towards more evil-inclined individuals, so, he always tries to talk, if not to stop a fight, then to gather information

[unborn lotus]

I feel like "can drag or carry" assumes they move the same number of feet. It requires a DM ruling to allow rotation unless something is written elsewhere about it...

[umbral girder]

If you need a stronger Mage stat block there is the Archmage stat blocks

If you mean a class then just play a Wizard as that’s what Mage is based on.

[unborn lotus]

That's why I said neither ruling makes sense. Logically they shouldn't be cardinally locked. But rules as written there's no room for rotation

[jolly oak]

Ohhh ok, thank you!

[umbral girder]

Mage just means “Magic User” which was also the AD&D name

[strong rain]

Hey I think my looking-for-dm post got deleted? Any way to know why?

[unborn lotus]

Yeah mage is wizard now haha

[umbral girder]

#moderator-support

[jolly oak]

Yeah but like, I want to play a magician, his thing is that he can do magic tricks and make them real

[umbral girder]

That is Wizard yes

You could probably get the Performer background. Maybe an illusionist too for “making fake things real” mechanics

[jolly oak]

Oh yeah that’s a good idea

Thank you!

[umbral girder]

Or a creation bard

[unborn lotus]

I mean that could be anything you want. A Rogue, arcane trickster with a charlatan background could fit this just fine

[potent vector]

Illusion wizard plays around the magician theme a decent amount

[jolly oak]

No, like it literally happens, like he can for example, create rabbits from a hat

[unborn lotus]

It just depends how magical you want them to be... But illusionist wizard is probably a best fit

[potent vector]

There's a feature that does exactly that

[jolly oak]

There is?

[unborn lotus]

Yeah illusionist wizard does this haha

[jolly oak]

Ohhh ok, thanks guys

[potent vector]

There's also Creation Bard

[blissful ibex]

Likely you'd need to rotate around them or something, but most DMs rule you can just move them within a 5 ft. radius of yourself from what I've seen

[potent vector]

If you want smth a little more supportive

[unborn lotus]

Only with movement, I think that makes sense. Though it still allows you to move them 15ft through spike growth even though you only expend 5ft of movement haha

[blissful ibex]

like, if you need them on the other side of you, you'd need to move through their space to the other side then move two back or something; but that's tedious

[potent vector]

I think another interpretation is that you need to rotate around them and sort of push them in order for it to work?

[unborn lotus]

If you're allowed to freely rotate with all movement, I think I'd still be happy to rule as a DM that you can expend 10ft of movement to rotate if you want, it makes thematic sense and is mechanically balanced even if it's not raw.

Allows for spinning instead of walking back and forth 😛

[unborn lotus]

true! I didn't think of that but that's way closer to RAW. There's no rotation but you may choose to move without moving them

It's clear the grapple drag is optional because of the use of May

[blissful ibex]

ye, you'd have to manuver around them until they're on the side you want then drag them wehre they need to go

[unborn lotus]

So this would be the only legal way to rotate and would remove rotation exploits

[keen cave]

Don’t you hate it when friends get mad at you for your choice of jewellery? I hate it when everyone tells me “No! The amulet of the exiled blood god will make you evil! Don’t put it on!” Like, I got this for free of course I’m gonna wear it.

[blissful ibex]

but like, if they're not trying to break it, it's generally fine to skip that part and just let them rotate the enemy

[potent vector]

It also does make sense, since tackling a monster away from you is prob more of the Shove option

And you can shove while Grappling, if they don't leave your reach

So the only option left is dragging behind you

[unborn lotus]

You can also think of it as having to expend movement to rotate them.
Like yeah I can't just spin freely while dragging this struggling goblin. I have to painstakingly turn around because I can drag him the way I want

[potent vector]

Pulling an entire person/monster directly around you is probably not easy

[unborn lotus]

So 10ft of movement to get behind him. Then push him through the spikes

[proper forum]

On a scale from 1 to 10, how criminal is it, in your opinion, for a hexblade warlock to NOT have the Raven Queen as a patron? My warlock is like that.

[scarlet marsh]

New spell: rotate creature

[unborn lotus]

Good solve everyone! Appreciate the teaching

[proper forum]

I like your profile picture

[unborn lotus]

Fine? Hexblade is not the Raven Queen subclass lol
Otherwise it'd be called Raven Queen warlock

[hidden spindle]

Wouldn't you be able to move the Grappled creature in any direction? Not just the same direction as you (Grappler).

[karmic pendant]

The patron is up to you I've seen 2 different hexblades with different patrons than the raven queen

[unborn lotus]

How do you mean?

[proper forum]

Mine is a litch btw

[worn lagoon]

the raven queen is a typical example of a hexblade warlock patron, she's not the hexblade patron

and that's because she's thought to have created some of the earliest weapons of the subclass

[hidden spindle]

Well let's say its adjacent on your cardinal right. You move left. You can move the Grappled creature left (cardinal), left upwards (diagonal up), or left downwards (diagonal down) too, no?

[unborn lotus]

There's no rule allowing you to rotate a grappled creatures position around you, you gotta move around them.
But allowing grappled rotation is a pretty reasonable DM ruling.
I was specifically curious how it would work RAW

[hidden spindle]

It just says you (Grappler) drag or carry. Its essentially just moving the Grappled creature

[unborn lotus]

I guess if they only move 5ft then yes... It doesn't say they have to move the same direction as you 🤔

So yeah if you move 5ft you can move them 5ft diagonally to change their relative position to you without moving them illegally

[hidden spindle]

As long as they're in reach, I can see it to be the case when moving Grappled creatures

[scarlet marsh]

Ty ❤️

Rogue chee boy

[jolly oak]

Hey guys my dm diagnosed my character with being consumed by fungi that keeps whispering to my character in deep speech, saying “spread” over and over again, does anyone know if lay on hands can cure this or if I’m going to become the BBEG?

[unborn lotus]

Possibly. It's unclear if you are allowed to drag them further than you can move
But if you allow free rotation with movement I can see it being exploitable aka you move 5ft enemy moves 15ft

[worn lagoon]

my bg3 mind is still struggling to grasp pact of the tome perks in dnd tabletop. some of these invocations restricted to it sound absolutely awesome.

[unborn lotus]

And seeing as there's no explicit ruling about rotation in the drag or carry rules I'd say it doesn't seem legal. But it's definitely a DM ruling honestly... The book doesn't seem to feel strongly either way

[proper forum]

80's chee boy?

[scarlet marsh]

Not the intent but everyone says so so I go with it lol

[wanton sorrel]

the fungi curse...... >.> oh dear...

[unborn lotus]

Hmmmm consumed by fungi isn't an explicit condition... Ask how the fungi works mechanically
Is it a creature grappling you?
Or is it a condition like poisoned?
Or is it a disease.
It sounds like a disease in which case some of the restoration spells could help

[proper forum]

I feel like he'd be besties with my 80's glam metal yuan ti bard

[unborn lotus]

Curse also very likely

[jolly oak]

It’s in my blood she said

[scarlet marsh]

Most likely hehe

[wanton sorrel]

yeap it's a curse alright i should of known it from the bottom of my brain.

[unborn lotus]

If you really want to cure it you should ask your DM to name an explicit mechanic the fungi is using 😛

[jolly oak]

It’s given me a permanent strength increase but is killing me slowly (2-3 days)

[unborn lotus]

Otherwise they might just be like "nope it's not a curse or disease, it's fungi!" In which case there's no cure

[wanton sorrel]

Laterbot is there a potion to remove curses?

[proper forum]

I'm sorry bro but the way he's drawn just screams 80's

[unborn lotus]

Which could also be cool, there's might be a specific in world cure you have to find

[unborn lotus]

There's a spell called remove curse

[potent vector]

Nah, just a spell called remove cure

[wanton sorrel]

ah i see.

[jolly oak]

Can 21 cats help in any way

[potent vector]

Or the greater restoration spell

[unborn lotus]

And also a few other spells and ways to end curses

[wanton sorrel]

like falling in love first kiss?

[scarlet marsh]

It's meant more to be old persian

[wanton sorrel]

I blame disney for that one.

[jolly oak]

Also how do we beat a jackalope?

[unborn lotus]

You could also try and take 3 days of long rest to make a roll to remove it... If it's a magical contagion or disease... But that's up to the DM

[final harness]

What's the best Class for aura farming?
Monk?

[unborn lotus]

Gun

[proper forum]

Warlock

[unborn lotus]

Yes

[jolly oak]

My dm said that didn’t work I already tried lmao

[proper forum]

Cool evil dark aura

Wdym no Warlocks are cool and scary abd intimidating

[jolly oak]

Def Monk

[naive cedar]

Paladin

[celest sail]

fighter

[uncut venture]

Oh shit

[wanton sorrel]

hmmmm ever heard of a berserker farmer before?

[jolly oak]

Actually gunslinger

[final harness]

The idea is to make an extremely formally dressed Goliath who prioritises their public figure over many things. Basically js looking cool js bc it's cool

The idea is absolutely awful but I js conjured ts out to see if it'd be that bad

[slim siren]

are there any heterosis hybrid races? Heterosis means a hybrid that has the best qualities of both parents.

[unborn lotus]

It might love Whiskey?

[jolly oak]

Hmm

Noted

[wanton sorrel]

Like a half elf? or a half orc?

[karmic pendant]

Not really the closest there is to hybrid races are half orc and half elf

[unborn lotus]

Warlocks are the lamest class in the game and fit the rogue stereotype better than rogues

[karmic pendant]

Idk about that not all warlocks have to be edgy

[final harness]

What'd be the best Monk Subclass for aura farming?

[wanton sorrel]

I beat the Monster to the punch line.

[lean lark]

Wizard/Sorcerer

There is no aura moment like casting fireball

[karmic pendant]

I think any of them would be good at that honestly

[slim siren]

I mean mules are stronger and longer-lived than both horses and donkeys. Shouldn't it be the same thing in fantasy races?

[karmic pendant]

The thing is that there really aren't any published hybrid races that get mechanics from both

[tawdry sentinel]

I tend to have grapple as you enter the space you just left.

Which is specifically so I can put terrain hazards in without someone grabbing a guy 60ft away and then turbo speeding them across the map.

Drag them to the edge, then shove them. Perfectly fine.

[jolly oak]

Hey guys I took a look at the mage statblock (the enemy version) and it can cast basically snowgrave at fifth level and higher isn’t that cool

Or iceshock ig

[potent vector]

Shifter or half elf is prob is the closest I can think of

[slim siren]

imagine a hybrid between dwarves and elves. Better at magic than elves, stronger than a dwarf and longer-lived than both of them.

[hidden spindle]

How does it spread?

[final harness]

Gng what do we think of Shadow Monk aura farming?

[potent vector]

Tbf elves aren't even good at magic 😭

[jolly oak]

I’m not sure, all we know is that it’s growing inside of my guy

[slim siren]

what race is better at magic then?

[potent vector]

Humans always make the most reckless and thus progressive magic

[slim siren]

or rather the best at magic

[rugged hawk]

Hear me out: a world with magic weapons in it.... but they're evil. Because their desire to cause harm is why they have +Attack / +Damage bonuses. The stronger the magic weapon, the more corruptive its malevolent influence on its wielder's alignment.

[potent vector]

Soooo ZZZ VH weapons

[stuck shuttle]

No species is inherently better at magic, though some start with the ability to cast a low level spell or two

[rugged hawk]

Error, unknown reference detected.

[unborn lotus]

Well they'd never be allowed to leave your reach so the turbo speeding isn't that likely to be an issue.
But free rotation of a cliff would also be an issue. Though I think I'd happily allow the aforementioned player expends movement to reposition and carry target over the edge.

[potent vector]

Tiger bane bell, Tailless, Qingming sword etc. Basically right up this ally

[karmic pendant]

I don't think any one particular race is "the best" at magic

[final harness]

A.... World of Magic you say?

[slim siren]

fair

[final harness]

Sounds like a pretty Arcane Adventure...

[potent vector]

Mechanically, yes. Canonically? Humans

[unborn lotus]

Elements is cooler 😎 you can be a avatar

[hidden spindle]

Seeing as D&D counts fungi as plants; anything that kills plants. Particularly Spells like Blight

[trim crystal]

I’m a newer dm and having trouble calibrating magic items for my group. Does anyone have a suggestion for roughly how many items and what rarity a level 8 party should have?

[final harness]

Interesting... maybe with those elements you can take them on an... Arcane Odyssey

[jolly oak]

Oooh, what classes can cast it?

Also what level?

[potent vector]

Druid mainly, around level 9 iirc

[hidden spindle]

4th level Spell. Druid, Sorcerer, Wizard, Warlock

[potent vector]

That's the earliest you can get it

Normally there are better options for most of those tho (why I said mainly druid)

[jolly oak]

Dang, we’re only at lvl 2

[stuck shuttle]

It’s important to remember that D&D isn’t a real life simulator. A hybrid species may take the “stronger” attributes of both species but that’s not necessarily true in D&D (and also not irl, but I digress)

[jolly oak]

My guy may die if lay on hands doesn’t work

[unborn lotus]

Risky though, if they're too intertwined blight could kill the player

[jolly oak]

Well I’m going to die anyways soooo

[unborn lotus]

It's giving them a con boost right? They could be dependant already

Whereas remove curse or the magical contagion rest could work more safely, like a cure

[jolly oak]

Should I eat another one of the mushrooms that got me into it?

[tawdry sentinel]

Probably just research it at a town or something and find out what you're expected to do. Find a local healer. Etc.

[wanton sorrel]

Rest in peace. T_T

[jolly oak]

Noren will be remembered

[potent vector]

Do you not have a Cleric vro

[jolly oak]

We have a paladin

The healer was my character’s boyfriend but got shot dead

[wanton sorrel]

such a tradegy

[jolly oak]

Oh yeah I also have 500 salmon that heal 10 hp per bite

[potent vector]

They are not the same vro. And Clerics are not healers just cuz they can heal 💔

[serene lily]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/2126-q1-2026-partnered-content-release-schedule

[jolly oak]

I know but still we don’t have the main healer anymore, he could’ve cured it

[potent vector]

Why did you eat this mushroom again?

With all this info known?

[wanton sorrel]

probablly due to starvation

[woven flint]

Wait a minute..
UPDATED PUGILIST?!

[jolly oak]

I was told it would give strength and my character couldn’t open the door so I wouldn’t died otherwise

The info wasn’t known at the time

[wanton sorrel]

is that a monk thing?>

[potent vector]

Vro, there's no way you're DM gave you this in order to kill you guaranteed

[wispy flare]

Do y’all eat snacks in irl campaigns?

[potent vector]

Yeah. I usually bring the snacks from the shelter I volunteer at. We get pretty decent stuff lol.

[stuck shuttle]

It’s a one of the more popular popular homebrew classes, and it looks like it’s going to be released on DDB as 3rd party content

Which I’m also pretty happy about, the Pugilist is pretty cool

[wanton sorrel]

what does it do?

[jolly oak]

She said it was an improvised room so idk if she did or didn’t

[potent vector]

If they did do it on purpose to kill you, it's pretty bad DMing to force it on you. But it probably isn't, so don't worry Abt curing it yet. It's prob supposed to be a feature they want for plot purposes

[wispy flare]

That’s sweet

[wanton sorrel]

omg i forgot that 5e and 5.5e i have to make a background story.... for the PC (player character)

[stuck shuttle]

It’s more of a hardcore boxing martial artist. Dirtier and more rugged than monk in flavor. They get a lot of abilities centered around taking hits like a champ

[wanton sorrel]

so like a grappler fighter

[potent vector]

I mean . . . Making a backstory is pretty expected of any edition lol

[stuck shuttle]

Sort of? There’s a subclass that centers on grapples but it’s not the entire class.

The Pugilist is pretty much a raw brawler

[wanton sorrel]

Right... I simply forgot about that i made one in 3.5e

[tall forge]

Makes me think of pathfinder

[potent vector]

Tbh I'm not sure how they'd accomplish that

Seems more like a Fighter subclass like with that Play test one they had that focused on improvised weapons

[stuck shuttle]

It comes close to a lot of classes, but I think it has a fairly unique identity

[umbral girder]

You won’t believe what Pathfinder came from.

[tall forge]

:0

Yknow

Idk why i even said something like that lmao

[wanton sorrel]

shrugs

[worldly flare]

Does anyone here know if there are any features that would let me steal a spell. I don’t mean something like Spell Thief won’t work because that just lets you prepare it for later. I mean something like

A.Casts spell
B.Copies spell and casts it

I’m trying to do stuff with circle casting

[tall forge]

Not that i know of no

At least, not DND, which is what i assume youre trying to do

[worldly flare]

Yep.

[tall forge]

It would be kinda op if you could im fairly sure

[worldly flare]

It would be. And it would be so awesome, it would be so cool.

[tall forge]

Spell thief though uses your reaction, meaning it goes

Other guy:casts spell
Spell thief reaction: steals the spell, so they cant cast it
Spell thief turn: uses spell

So, its copies and casts it

It just has a limit to the spell level, which is a little brutal, and a saving throw thats easy to beat

[worldly flare]

The issue is that it just prepares it, so it wouldn’t save the circle cast option.

I really just need a way to somehow cast the same spell twice so I can get more than one circle cast option.

[tall forge]

Yeah thats not a thing

[worldly flare]

Sad. 🙁

[tall forge]

You cant even circle cast for yourself

You need a secondary spellcaster

[worldly flare]

Well I mean I’d have friends(and by friends in this hypothetical scenario I mean simulacrums)

[tall forge]

Then the simulacrums can just normal circle cast with you,l

Circle casting isnt exactly a thing that needs THAT much more people

[worldly flare]

Ok. Let me elaborate on what I want because I feel like there’s a misunderstanding.

When you circle cast, you get one option. I want to somehow cast the spell again after the first time so I can add another option.

[unborn lotus]

Have people played with the circle casting rules in detail? Do they work ok?

They looked poorly thought out to me

[tall forge]

They arent that interesting imo

[worldly flare]

I think you could put a circle cast spell in a glyph of warding, but you don’t cast that the second time.

[unborn lotus]

Which is kind of a bummer because we'll probably be waiting a long time for new circle casting rules 🤔

[tall forge]

Have the simulacrums cast a spell too

[unborn lotus]

Can't you make like 1minute spells last an hour?

[tall forge]

Circle casting rules dictate only 1 option at a time, period

[worldly flare]

24 hours*

[tall forge]

Up to 24 hours

[unborn lotus]

I feel like circle spells should be ritual casting only

[worldly flare]

Wait really. I read it over and I thought it was that you could only apply one when you cast it.

[uncut zenith]

They work better as a DM tool than a player tool

[tall forge]

^

But dms already have been homebrewing this for ages in way cooler ways

[worldly flare]

But maybe I just can’t read

[unborn lotus]

Well I am a DM... Is the advantage that you can do a little more damage... But also ultimately slow down the attack and waste your monster's actions?

[tall forge]

I already did “circle casting” in my campaign, which is just considered improved ritual casting

[uncut zenith]

The idea behind Circle casting seems to be more for DMs who want to use a bunch of spellcasting NPCs (like the Red Wizards of Thay) to come together and cast a catastrophic spell vs players coming together to do the same

[crimson gulch]

I have had players circle casting a lot so far

[unborn lotus]

Thus giving you a little bit more monster control when you've got too many spellcasters

[tall forge]

Or having players defend circle casters doing big stuff

[worldly flare]

Nevermind found it. Dang it, worth a shot

[tall forge]

There isnt a damage option i thought?

[unborn lotus]

I haven't got them in front of me and I'm not very familiar haha

So I guess not damage, but you make the spell more devastating in some way I guess

[tall forge]

It increases range, AOE, duration

Makes it share concentration with multiple people

[worldly flare]

You can make a spell with an area of effect arbitrarily large if you had enough spellcasters(cough cough Simulacrum chain cough cough)

Practical. Hell no. Funny. Hell yes.

[uncut zenith]

I will say, my biggest complaint about Circle Magic is that it just feels like a stronger version of Metamagic and not anything original

[tall forge]

And reduces cost/create safe areas in AOE

my problem is that its not strong enough

Its in a real weird spot of being only useful in really niche areas

[unborn lotus]

I mean the original thing is multiple casters... So a multicaster version of meta magic would be very fine by me

But I think the duration thing is ridiculous, it should be doubling and tripling not adding hours

[tall forge]

Like, say you want to banish the BBEG for a day to save time

The time increase is miniscule, and the save doesnt get harder to pass

Its effects just arent strong enough to waist an entire action on imo

[rugged hawk]

Functionally, you'd use something like Circle Casting in the creation of especially powerful magic items, particularly artifacts. But mechanically, it's nothing quite as interesting or capable.

[tall forge]

^

[tall forge]

Or any strong rituals

But the actual mechanical effects just arent it

Which sucks bc its such a cool concept

[rugged hawk]

Yep. You could always add a bonus to DC depending on the number of casters you've got

[tall forge]

but as written, im just sticking to my homebrew mechanics

[rugged hawk]

Or, alternatively, force the save multiple times because it's coming from multiple sources as a single magic.

[tall forge]

I like that one more

Problem is mechanically, the save happens on the initiators turn

So it would go
Guy cast spell and initiates
Bbeg saves or doesnt
IF THE BBEG DOESNT SAVE
other people chime in

Oh nvm misread

[worldly flare]

Wait off topic but I’m looking through spells and why is a 9th level mass suggestion 366 days?

[tall forge]

Thats completely wrong

[rugged hawk]

How else did you think cults started? /s

[worldly flare]

I mean why 366 days specifically? That’s a weird number

Just do 365

[tall forge]

Leap year

[rugged hawk]

As if 365 isn't just as arbitrary. You need a leap day every fourth year to account for actual time

[worldly flare]

There is something really funny about someone casting a 9th level suggestion but they forget it’s a new year

[proper forum]

Hey guys

[mellow ore]

guys, does the Healer feat interact with temporary hp rolls?

[worldly flare]

#dnd-rules

[proper forum]

I find it kinda weird that 99% of warforged were made for war (hence the name), when in real life most clockwork automata, especially the humanoid ones, were made solely for entertainment purposes, and the vast majority also play music. What I'm saying is, if D&D was like real life most of them would be bards.

[tall forge]

Except they are sentient

[proper forum]

I watched a 2 hour documentary on the history of automata so that makes me an expert (no it doesn't, this is a joke)

[naive cedar]

bard warforged!!

[severe rampart]

Warforged Bard hilarious

[proper forum]

What I'm saying is that believe it or not this would be the most realistic for a warforged

[severe rampart]

I mean it does make sense to create Warforged Bards, war is always a bummer so you need some entertainment to distract yourself

Also Warforged are just cool in general

[proper forum]

Now to provide the knowledge I gained from the 2 hour documentary

[severe rampart]

I can't believe I'm talking to an Automata Expert

[proper forum]

Automata in real life were mostly made for entertainment because for most of their existence they were simply too hard and expensive to produce. Remember, mass production didn't exist. And rich people loved having fun novelties in theor house, and a portable entertainer that could be turned on or off at any moment was something very exciting. Remember, TV and the internet didn't exist yet.

When mass production did begin they became more common, but still they were mostly used as toys. Unless you want to count the factory machines as automata, which they aren't. An automaton is a mechanical machine that replicates the movement of living things.

[strong juniper]

I haven't seen automata talked about since I met a guy who serviced the animatronics at Chuck e cheese

[proper forum]

You're welcome

[rugged hawk]

This is why Beholders generally treat their representatives particularly well, even though their representative is still as charmed as all their other minions. Their representative is, being public-facing, the most likely to be dispelled of charm, and preferential treatment can often keep the representative loyal even when freed from charm.

[pearl hedge]

how much is 1400 copper in GP

[blazing ravine]

Do yall think Chthonic tieflings are scary to humans

[rugged hawk]

Not enough

[pearl hedge]

depends on setting, depends on if magical racism exists or not

[pearl hedge]

is that equivalent to like 14 gp

[rugged hawk]

I mean, I think 10 cp is 1 sp, and 10 sp is 1 gp, no?

[pearl hedge]

maybe

the exchange rates are different with each DM sometimes

[rugged hawk]

They're standardized on DNDB

[pearl hedge]

usually my DMs just give us gold pieces

[potent vector]

All three prob are

[rugged hawk]

Platinum (pp) 1 pp = 10 gp

Electrum (ep) 1 gp = 2 ep

Silver (sp) 1 gp = 10 sp

Copper (cp) 1 gp = 100 cp

[potent vector]

NGL, I'm sad we don't have a fiend sorcerer because of Tieflings. Even tho I love Tieflings

[pearl hedge]

ok so yeah 14 gp

[pearl hedge]

well technically they aren't a fiend race because they aren't actually demons

[rugged hawk]

Also 50 coins = 1 lb of weight, so exchange that copper

[empty thicket]

what in gods forgiven lands is Electrum?

[tall forge]

Dnd racism is tough

I cant do it, feels too weird

[rugged hawk]

Basically half-dollar coins, obviously

[potent vector]

Yeah, but because they're canonically what happens from influence, not even just union, but INFLUENCE from a fiend means there's no leeway for Sorcerer. . .

[meager fractal]

Any D&D news this week?

[empty thicket]

yeah but like, mineral or smt like that
Copper, silver, gold and platinum is determinated by minerals and their rarity

[pearl hedge]

it can be done well but the DM needs a handle on it to make sure it doesn't get out of control

[tall forge]

As a minority myself, i simply do not want to be in the shoes of some racist guy

[potent vector]

Also Devils are also included in fiends (much to both their distaste lol)

[rugged hawk]

Electrum was a naturally occurring silver-gold alloy with half the value of pure gold

[pearl hedge]

well yeah but tieflings aren't technically devils

[empty thicket]

then dont do it, that it is.
Now fr, it something that can exist or not, you arent forced to act like one and if you do you can always act in some satiric way

[empty thicket]

weird pickle coin, okey okey

[tall forge]

Yea, im just saying i cant

[strong juniper]

Akatosh have mercy how much has changed since I left ;-;

[potent vector]

Why would that mean we can have a Fiend Sorcerer?

[coral lake]

What would be best to add to a group of paladin, ranger, rogue, sorceror, wizard for a 6th member??

[potent vector]

If Tieflings are canonically what happens and not fiend sorcerers?

[severe rampart]

uhh depends when'd you leave

[tall forge]

Druid or cleric or bard

[strong juniper]

2019 ;-;

[severe rampart]

then a lot, a whole lot

[tall forge]

Depends on the other spell casters

[empty thicket]

6 member is... a big number, but a rogue is good or a wizard. Both options are always useful

[coral lake]

Barbarian?

[coral lake]

For support?

[proper forum]

It's okay, just let the dm know ahead of time. And if you are the DM, just don't include it in your campaign! No one's forcing you to! D&D can be whatever you want it to be!

[potent vector]

Prob a cleric. Teamwide short rest is nice.

[strong juniper]

Have paladins gotten worse or better?

[potent vector]

Cleric or Bard then ye

[potent vector]

Worse, Smite is now a spell. Subclasses got boosted tho and Bard can't yoink their spells anymore

[severe rampart]

Worse

[meager fractal]

But not by a lot tbh

[potent vector]

It's mostly their nuke potential

[empty thicket]

Being a spell dont make it possible to upcast it?

[strong juniper]

I am now crying inside;-;

[severe rampart]

there's still people who run 2014

[potent vector]

You could always "upcast it" by just using a higher spell slot than 1

But you can upcast it still ye

[empty thicket]

oh, then before wasnt a spell that is in a spell list but more like a spell feature?

and now is A spell

[potent vector]

Yeah a feature

Which means once per turn 😭

[empty thicket]

so the thing now is sacrificing one spell slot and the uses are spell slot dragged

[empty thicket]

yeah, i do tho with a group of friends, we find it more "comfortable"

[potent vector]

You still needed spell slots before, but now as a spell it's bound by the once per turn rule

[strong juniper]

Has anything changed to the point where I have to reread the rules and handbooks?

[potent vector]

Where before you could smite let's say 3 times a turn with extra attack and a BA attack

[empty thicket]

so, if the paladin do 2//3 attacks he cant smite those 3 attacks, oh, okey okey

[potent vector]

Alr, gtg. I'll see y'all

[empty thicket]

Welp, in a way make you dont waste all your spell slots in one wave of attacks, in another force you to use it more tactically

[rugged hawk]

Due to misreading that from the corner of my eye, now we must make a Piranhadin. 🐟

Except Divine Smite is just magical swarm of piranha to C O N S U M E the EVIL

[strong juniper]

It's name is now The devouring Swarm of the Divine

[empty thicket]

Swarm of familiars and make them able to cast 1d6 of extra damage per piranha

no wait 1d4 better

[strong juniper]

But what role or stat would dictate how many are summoned?

[rugged hawk]

Hmmm. Divine Swarm instead of Divine Smite, stealing HP from Evil creatures to heal the Piranhadin. And instead of Lay on Hands, giving up Piranhadin's own HP to heal the target. Swarm Sacrifice or something.

[normal viper]

I think imma plan out a warhammer age of sigmar themed campaign

[empty thicket]

summon 4 piranhas, upcasting it would add 2 more per level
Level 2 spell

[normal viper]

Got a box of gloomspite gits(goblins) and fell in love with em

[rugged hawk]

Nah, just treat it as a modified melee cast of Creeping Doom

Except instead of insects, its magical piranhas and they steal HP from Evil targets

[strong juniper]

That's a max of 16 damage as a level one spell by Akatosh-

[rugged hawk]

No need for actual summons, that's more to micromanage on the battlefield. Treating it as a modified Creeping Doom lets it be a spell, not an additional creature to manage.,

[empty thicket]

yep, but arent considerating flanking, critics, etc. etc.

[strong juniper]

Now I need to make a character sheet but I'm not sure what to do for stats ;-;

[empty thicket]

and each upcasting add you 2 to 8 damage

Still, would make it high ac for dext but low hp

[rugged hawk]

Again, no. Just replace Divine Smite with a modified form of Creeping Doom No need for all this extra battle micromanagement.

[pearl hedge]

i don't think i know what i'm talking about 😅

[celest sail]

i’m reading up on random subclasses and gloom stalker is so cool is it viable to play melee with it?

[tall forge]

Druid cleric and bard are great supports

[blissful ibex]

Yeah, if you're in darkness, you're basicallyt permenantly invisible to creatures that rely on darksight to see and you can still see them

they have disadvantage to hit you, you have advantage to hit them

[rugged hawk]

I misread that out of the corner of my eye and thought you said goon stalker.

I was confused...and concerned.

[tall forge]

I stalk the goons

Is there a problem?

[empty thicket]

why you have problems with the mafia?

[tall forge]

I don’t

[empty thicket]

then why you stalk the goons?

[tall forge]

I dont stalk people i have problems with

[empty thicket]

Weird, i would stalk them

"do you know how dangerous i am?!"
No but i know that you are using the blue underwear today and you ate apples pie with butterbeer

[small heath]

There's a mafia?

[celest sail]

that sounds sweet, i’ve been thinking of making a witcher-ish character and i’ve been recommended a ranger so I’m just checking them out in the 2024 PHB

[blissful dragon]

is this mafia ran by a awaken crab?

[rugged hawk]

Clawtacular the Tasty?

[blissful dragon]

side note i love the crab giant ogres from the chairty book

[wintry spindle]

are you going with the potions approach or the signs

[blissful dragon]

if you play a druid it can be star signs

[rugged hawk]

I've always liked an alchemical approach to magic

Sadly, as a mechanic, it's poorly-developed.

Alchemical Fire loses its fun (and any expectations of being useful) past level 2 or 3

[wintry spindle]

the updated aritficer subclass is pretty fun

[rugged hawk]

I don't wanna make machines, I wanna throw bottles of doom

[empty thicket]

its a fancy way to call bandits, just with some manners

[celest sail]

i’m fine with either my main idea is to just be a melee character with some supporting spells, gloom stalker ranger looks amazing aesthetically and i like tracking

[rugged hawk]

Reminds me of a sorc I had a long time ago who got their hands on a Thunderstorm Keg. Weighed an ungodly 50 lbs but had unlimited electric cantrip and 1/day Lightning Bolt. She eventually broke open the keg to unleash the entirety of its magically-contained thunderstorm all at once.

[small heath]

Question: if I play as a druid and I wildshape into an animal, am I able to actually communicate and understand other animals or no?

[tall forge]

No

Animals dont have languages, usually

[rugged hawk]

Speak with Animals wants your attention.

[blissful ibex]

Not unless you're explicitly playing Circle of the Shepheard druid and have the level 2 feature 'Speech of the Woods'
Or cast speak with animals prior to wildshaping

[tall forge]

Thats magic bs and you know it

[rugged hawk]

All I'm hearing is that you can't admit they have language

[ocean comet]

Can anyone think of a spell that would be notably worse if not recastable during it's duration?

[rugged hawk]

Water Breathing

[tall forge]

Bc they dont

[rugged hawk]

Speak With Animals

[tall forge]

THEN WHY DOESNT TONGUES WORK?

[ocean comet]

Oh yeah you def want that on multiple targets

[blissful ibex]

just cast Air Bubble, then do another round of waterbreathing c:

[mellow ore]

you guys know of any 2024 books that expand the cleric's cantrip options?

[tall forge]

Ggs i win

[ocean comet]

That would not work in the context I'm asking for lol

[strong juniper]

To be fair animal's in real life have language (even though that's stretching it by a lot) they do communicate in very basic vocal patterns

[gritty dove]

heyya, thinking of running an adventure in grey hawk in 5e, are any adventures from previous editions good (not outdated)

[rugged hawk]

Because WotC wanted nature-lovers to have a unique variant

[tall forge]

Communication=/= language

[blissful ibex]

Generally Entangle is one of those spells you end up needed to cast a good twoish times

[severe rampart]

So if you cast speak with animals to bees do they have to dance or do you have to dance (Ik this isn't how speak with animals work)

[rugged hawk]

Incorrect. Language doesn't require words. See: interpretive dance and body language.

[tall forge]

Huge ecology nerd here, it requires rules

[strong juniper]

Morse code

[ocean comet]

That's another good one, this is getting really interesting

[tall forge]

An alphabet

Language requires grammar

[strong juniper]

We as humans use vocals to communicate

[tall forge]

Untrue

[rugged hawk]

All any 'language' requires is mutual comprehension.

[blissful ibex]

Aid is also something you might cast twice to hit the whole party

[tall forge]

I can point at you, then point at kitchen
Thats communication without language

[ocean comet]

This is such a loaded example for a thing so easy to get examples for lmao

[tall forge]

But language requires syntax and grammar, a ruleset to follow

[strong juniper]

Groans, sigh's, smacking your lips, screaming and even humming are examples of this

[rugged hawk]

Again, languages only require understanding between two beings of intent.

[tall forge]

Again, language=/= communication

[blissful ibex]

then stuff like Minor Illusion, Prestidigitation, Light

Goodberry O_o

[rugged hawk]

Language, lit: a system of communication

[tall forge]

Squares and rectangles

[strong juniper]

I'm sorry but I'm not entirely sure what "=/=" means

[tall forge]

Does not equal

Its not a 1 to 1

[small heath]

Well consider this: if you use Speak to Animals and in theory, you hear the animal respond back to Common, understand they're not actually speaking Common, but you yourself are interpreting the sounds to Common (like a translation).

[strong juniper]

Nothing is a one to one to be fair

[tall forge]

I cannot substitute body groans for a language, but you can substitute language for groans

[tall forge]

I agree with this interpretation

[scarlet marsh]

I never heard of this in any of my linguistics studies or from any professor. How did you come to determine this?

[strong juniper]

That's not true you can look at chimp's or bonobos for an example

[rugged hawk]

Because it's not true. The secondary definition of Language is literally a system of communication

[tall forge]

Its a system

[small heath]

I agree with Peach.
Source: recent graduate with an B.A. in English and a Linguistics minor.

[scarlet marsh]

(I know)

[tall forge]

Its like how dnd is a SYSTEM of TTRPG

[small heath]

This is right up my alley 😄

[tall forge]

But not all TTRPGs can be applied to dnd

[potent vector]

I'm doing a lil Anthropology, and as far as we know, language ain't exclusive to humans, but since DND has a system to seperate languages from animal speech, that takes precedent over the pedantics.

[strong juniper]

Do help us explain this because my specialty is in forging not biology (even though I'm hoping to become a EMT/paramedic but that's besides the point)

[potent vector]

In other games that lack that it's totally reasonable to at least try use translation magic to translate animal speech to humanoid ones

[reef tundra]

Callback to the cyberpunk in dnd incident

[tall forge]

This is more a archeac language, or pre-language you mean

Aka a complex system of communication

Human language is very distinct

So ig im like, half agreeing with you but being semantic

[strong juniper]

Because to be fair it's been developing on its own for thousands of years

[tall forge]

All animals have, so thats a moot point no offense

[potent vector]

I remember you said that Language requires rules, which is important, but the more important thing that precedes that is symbolism. A step past displacement, which some animal "languages" like whales and dolphins have, symbolism is what's required even have "rules"

[rough basalt]

It's funny how people will put in more effort just to make stuff barely work in dnd than the effort to learn the system it's designed for would be.

Or effort to use a generic simple system hack

[reef tundra]

While I do love dnd, a lot of people who play it, shouldn’t

[small heath]

So consider this: communicating is a mutli-party system. You can communicate in really any way, but if you're going to classify something as a "language" then there are certain rules and criteria's that are to be met:. These are some, but not all:

• Language is Arbitrary - words used to speak, write, or visualize don't actually correspond to something inherit or real
• Language is Productive - a series of sounds and symbols can be utilized in a near infinite way to convey meaning
• Language is Systematic - there's consistent rules involved within a language
• Language is Displacement - it can reference places, times, and events not present in the current moment

These rules are seen across every known language. This is also why yes, animals can communicate, but the way they are communicating are not classified as a "language" because, and foremost, their way of communicating is not arbitrary or productive.

[tall forge]

I agree, which is why id (and most people) classify animal “language” more so as complex communciation, or just communication

[scarlet marsh]

Human language is just sounds made by disrupting air passing through our mouths. These sounds are codified with specific meanings. That's a very colloquial way of saying what language is but not all language is spoken and still follows linguistic structures.

[strong juniper]

We as humans are not comparable in that aspect because of our very unique biology (to be more specific our intellect)

[reef tundra]

-# And then they join a dnd discord server and act like jerks

[tall forge]

Agreed with all that

[reef tundra]

-# Not directed to anyone specific it’s just a general joke /gen

[small heath]

So in this case, as I stated previously, Speak with Animals does allow you to actually talk to the animal by using a method of communication they communicate with. You, as the person with the spell, understand what the animal are saying because you are interpreting it in your own language. However, for everyone else, they will think you're talking in some weird noises and mimicking the sounds or body motions of the animal you are speaking to.

[strong juniper]

That's par for the course when dealing with people online atp

[reef tundra]

True that

[tall forge]

I just get real passionate about these nerd topics, hope im not being annoying/agitating

[kind rampart]

hey there, i might have found a bug in the character creation of d&d beyong is there a place where i can make sure i have a bug and then report it?

[small heath]

There's genuine argument that written language came before sounds.

[rough basalt]

I had an argument today with a guy saying darkness isn't easy to deal with and that species with sunlight sensitivity should've kept it cause it's comparable to not having darkvision

[tall forge]

I didn’t know that, that would be so cool if true

[small heath]

Before we classify sound as meaning something, that humans evolved to write to communicate what they are trying to say in some meaningful manner.

[valid geyser]

i dont think sunlight sensitivity is the end of the world but its campaign dependan

[scarlet marsh]

I have never heard of this theory nor any evidence for it

[strong juniper]

You're not annoying I find debating with people is quite fun when both sides are polite and knowledgeable on the matter

[rough basalt]

Ah yes, being unable to play without disadvantage on rolls is comparable to something you can solve with starting gear

[tall forge]

🙌

[empty thicket]

#ddb-feedback

[small heath]

Think about it: if a caveman is making grunts, then there are 1 grunt to mean multiple things. So, as you are grunting, you are throwing a stick or pointing or using some physical means to discuss what your grunt is.

[reef tundra]

Hey hey dw I wasn’t aiming it at you. You’re chill

[tall forge]

Ye i just know i suck at understanding emotion over text, appreciate the re-affirmation!

[small heath]

So at which point do you consider something is language: the grunts or the act of using a physical means to convey the grunt?

[scarlet marsh]

I feel like this assumes way too many things about archaic hominids

[rough basalt]

His argument was what if a goblin just douses your torch or an npc casts dispel magic on the light cantrip and I'm just like "man you have a DM who clearly doesn't like you"

[strong juniper]

Then again I was raised to believe that all people are equal and deserving of interaction (no matter how despicable or annoying they are)

[small heath]

Which is where it's a theory and not some law.

Which, when you think about it, does this apply to the different languages in D&D?

[tall forge]

The language argument when applied to dnd gets real cool

[small heath]

Is there like actual lore on how languages came about in D&D universe?

[tall forge]

Theres a boring answer (gods give language)

[strong juniper]

Most things were theory until they were proven to be facts

[tall forge]

Yesnt

[small heath]

For example in my homebrew species, if I apply D&D logic to it, their own language evolved from their creator, which is a powerful demon who wanted to be a god, so he taught his new creation his tongue.

[scarlet marsh]

I'm fairly certain nearly every language in DnD is some form of an English relex.

[small heath]

Then hundreds of years go by and they adapted to something unique.

[rough basalt]

Well common was spread by Sigil so there'd be a general language.

[blissful ibex]

Also it'd be a hypothesis and not a theory unless there was some major evidence behind it

[tall forge]

Theory gets complicated in that we are never certain of facts

[rough basalt]

But generally people just started talking and talked

[small heath]

You know what, what if me and a few other people start on a project where it's Game Theory but D&D related stuff.

[tall forge]

Dnd also provides a complete new outlet on language due to different species

[quasi monolith]

is there a plugin that will use the character sheets and dice rolls from dnd beyond on owlbear or another free vtt? if not i can use theirs but people seem to recomend others

[tall forge]

Did some species “dumb down” their language so that humans can make the sounds required to communicate?

[strong juniper]

To prove a theory you need evidence that can be found through trial and error

[small heath]

Well that depends on your belief of evolution, ultimately. In D&D related stuff, do all elves learn elvish, or do Drows have like their own dialect of Elvish?

[tall forge]

Yeah, but we call it theory bc we can usually have a chance to disprove it

[tiny flame]

Theory of why you never make the DC

[small heath]

Theory is why I always roll nat 1s when trying to sneak attack 😭

[rough basalt]

They have dialects, but for 5e they simpled it down to general languages

In older editions there were a billion languages

[small heath]

I have a theory what Dwarvish and Elvish is the same langauge just branched into wildly different dialects.

[tiny flame]

Miss good old 3.5 and 4e Hebrew rulebook

[strong juniper]

That's just luck being hard to come across

[tiny flame]

It was hilarious and weirdly insensitive

[tall forge]

One tall language, one short language

[scarlet marsh]

What if we hung out at the Elf-Drow isogloss

[small heath]

Wait, now this would be a cool project I can do when I'm not working. Do research on the linguistical history of D&D languages.

[rough basalt]

Like Drow speak Drow-Elvish and Undercommon.

[small heath]

Post it on reddit or youtube or something based on my findings.

[rough basalt]

And likely have slang and ways of speaking that depend on the city

[strong juniper]

I wonder if a human raised by a Dragonborn who knew only Draconic would inherently know common from birth or if it would have to be taught during the campaign

[uncut zenith]

Languages should be a cultural feature and not a racial/species-based one anyways

[hot marlin]

Older edition lore was that drow spoke a certain code-switching dialect. Meaning that they mixed elvish and undercommon, sometimes within the same sentence

[tiny flame]

Tbh I wonder what a world where people know how to speak a language from birth would be like

[small heath]

Interesting.

[tall forge]

Disagree, some species can do things others cant

[tiny flame]

Are you just born knowing all the words?

[scarlet marsh]

I'm in a lot of conlang groups and the general sentiment is that WoTC doesn't know much about how languages work so a lot of people make their own conlangs or use real historical languages as stand-ins.

[small heath]

Can I join this?

I think this would be a fun project: do the language work for WotC because we are fans of the genre.

[tall forge]

This is where the dnd racism is a tough part- human races aren’t real, but dnd races are actual different species

[hot marlin]

Yes but with the important caveat that there are languages where your species simply doesn't have the hardware. Like hook horror language. Your vocal chords just can't do it

[hot marlin]

Which is why D&D nowadays uses the term species instead of races.

[tall forge]

🙂‍↕️

[strong juniper]

Then there's the debate on how different races came to be

[hot marlin]

Admittedly it was always a stupid mistake to use the term race instead of species or kin.

[reef tundra]

Let’s just carefully inch further into fantasy and away from reality for this

[uncut zenith]

Disagree as much as you want, but realistically language is a cultural feature. Nobody is born just knowing a specific language. That’s why the 2024 rules let people pick their starting languages. A elf raised by dwarves has no reason to instinctively know how to speak Elvish.

[severe rampart]

Changeling Queen, eh?

[tall forge]

Its bc people still believe “race” is a real thing irl

[small heath]

Well species is literally different biological classifications. Literally genetics basically.

Race deals with similar physical traits or cultures.

[reef tundra]

Yup. I call myself that because I shift a lot

[severe rampart]

I'm the connoisseur of Changelings

[hot marlin]

There isn't a debate. Elves were created by Corellon, perhaps intentionally, perhaps as a consequence of being wounded in battle. Orcs were created by Gruumsh in the same way. Goblinoids came from the feywilds. Gnomes were born from magical crystals.

[tall forge]

When race is only socially real

[severe rampart]

I'm unfamiliar with the term, unless you mean shapeshift

[tall forge]

Anyways, back to fantasy

[small heath]

We live in a society

[reef tundra]

Yeah okay let’s stay in fantasy

[scarlet marsh]

This is for the most part true for my own worldbuilding project. A lot of non-human species are just former humans that were part of a cultural complex. Over time some members of the non-human subset broke off and formed their own cultures and languages allopatrically. None of this is actually recorded though, but I leave hints of it through the in-world archaeology, language families and so on.

[tall forge]

Iirc humans are the only species without a real confirmed origin

[reef tundra]

It can mean whatever you want. I shift all the time

[small heath]

So what are the origins of mind flayers again?

[wanton sorrel]

is it just me or there is something wrong with D&Dbeyond... ????

[tiny flame]

Generally yeah, but it I do think it's cool that there are some creatures just born knowing certain languages (like dragons in Skyrim)

[reef tundra]

It’s being doing it all day Dw

[scarlet marsh]

thinky squid

[strong juniper]

I mean in a broad sense in the way of like dragonborns being half human because that would imply that a dragonborn could be half orc or half elf

[wanton sorrel]

i see price for bundle 239... but when i click on the bundle it's like 179.97.... which is it?? it's marketing

[hot marlin]

There are theories. One is that they're time-travellers from the future. Another is that they're from the Far Realm, where their natural life cycle consisted of tadpole to neothelid but their arrival in the material plane gave them beings they could parasitically enter.

[hot marlin]

What? Dragonborn are not half human. Dragonborn are their own thing. Made by dragons as a slave people

[severe rampart]

it had maintenance earlier

[strong juniper]

But how were they created, by magic? or by means of divine intervention

[hot marlin]

(Or they're the original inhabitants of Unther, transformed by draconic magic)

[reef tundra]

Dragonborn origins are kept vague to leave it to DM or player interpretation

[wanton sorrel]

well the market is all messed up

[reef tundra]

Although they provide many possibilities

[hot marlin]

Divine intervention is magic. And when it comes to dragon gods, the distinction tends to be thin

[severe rampart]

how so?

[strong juniper]

That's fair (sorry if I get something wrong I'm not that knowledgeable on spells)

[uncut zenith]

Agreed, but imo something like that should be the exception, not the rule

I think the “rare languages” are cool to be inherent to the creatures who are born to their corresponding types, but common languages that mortal species share shouldn’t be inherent imo

[wanton sorrel]

i'm not sure what's it's price i send a pic in your dm.... forgive me

not sure if i'm the only one seeing this error in D&D beyond

[strong juniper]

I'm gonna go make my first character sheet in over 7y then forge a cross guard for a feder that needs a replacement y'all have fun ✌️

[rugged hawk]

Dragonborn have a bunch of origins, is why. Durge, for instance, was a direct divine creation. One of my books has a ruleset that can potentially alter a character into a Dragonborn if they kill a dragon of sufficient power. Other Dragonborn can be born, or altered into Dragonborn with magic, or the result of experimentation, etc. They're more than just a singular species with a single source.

Sort of a .... standardized basic protoform, you could say.

With the distinct type of Dragonborn and any unique traits being from the manner of creation, whether a mixed-blood birth, or whatever.

[woven flint]

Dwagonbown

I'm sorry 😔

You're right, reaction, I'm not sorry >:]

[sterile verge]

Hello:3

[strong juniper]

By the Saints why has the species options nearly quadrupled in size💀

[woven flint]

Yes. :>

[celest sail]

are monoclass rangers better than monoclass bladelocks as melee combatants? I’m thinking of either playing a gloomstalker or an undead warlock next time i get to play

[strong juniper]

Hallo

[rugged hawk]

No need to look at them, just be a Kender

[woven flint]

Can't wait for playable Gnolls, I'm killing everyone 🔥

[strong juniper]

A wat

[crimson gulch]

there is not one way to measure them against one another, play your bliss

[mortal hollow]

you use a dex save to avoid a boobytrap, but what save do you use to avoid a tourist trap? int? wis? cha?

[woven flint]

Wisdom

You're compelled, but you know better

Anything compulsion based is typically a Wisdom save

[celest sail]

choices choices… there’s so many awesome looking subclasses in this game

[woven flint]

Silly pfp btw

[mortal hollow]

a doodle of meself

[woven flint]

Well, yourself is great Keep being you

[mortal hollow]

would ragebait be a cha save?

[woven flint]

No, it'd be a Wisdom save

[strong juniper]

I'm gonna try using DND beyond for the first time I pray I don't have an aneurysm trying to work it

[woven flint]

Charisma saves are to exert force of self, to not get banished or be possessed ect

[glass granite]

I greet the Lord of Goofy!

[woven flint]

Wisdom saves are to not fall for tricks of the mind

Ragebaiting would attempting to trick the mind

Vicious Mockery is a ragebait spell and it's a Wisdom save :>

[delicate owl]

Tokii is a Jester, not a Lord lol

[woven flint]

You see, I have succeeded my wisdom save and therefore will not fall for Horizons attempts to shake me!

[severe rampart]

interesting... Wisdom? for a bard?

[woven flint]

What?

[glass granite]

Yes. Saves don’t correspond to your main spellcasting stat inherently

The spell save DC is, but not the nature of the save for the opponent

[severe rampart]

Aren't Jesters usually bards?

[woven flint]

Yup!
Bards are about Trickery and Charms, so, of course, Wisdom would be knowing they're trying to compel you or deceive

[severe rampart]

I might have my history wrong actually

[wanton sorrel]

ok i finally bought my D&D 5e 2024 edition

[glass granite]

Entertainers and sometimes close advisors, so close enough

[wanton sorrel]

I can't wait for the books though

[remote wadi]

Quick question about Oath of Devotion

Is part of the Oath making sure people that die are permanently laid to rest?

[woven flint]

Bards are artists, typically, not just clowns or musicians

[woven flint]

No

[strong juniper]

What in the name of Akatosh is an "antimatter rifle"

[reef tundra]

It says no to matter

[remote wadi]

Must be a DM decision, then. This could be interesting...

[glass granite]

Let your word be your promise.
Protect the weak and never fear to act.
Let your honorable deeds be an example.

Not inherently

Unless you said something about it?

[severe rampart]

it's used against matter babies

[woven flint]

Making sure the dead stay dead is more associated with Grave Clerics
Nobody is actually compelled to actually do so though

[glass granite]

Anti material rifles, likely.

[remote wadi]

TLDR: there is a way to have my Ranger resurrected. But will come with consequences

[glass granite]

Hm. Willing to pay the price?

[livid slate]

Because feyrun is canonically flat, would y'all like to see a campaign where a God wants to squish them altogether for x reason? Seemed like an interesting concept

[sterile verge]

Guys I am new at the game and idk nothing, any suggestions ? €:

[strong juniper]

Anti material and anti matter are two completely different things

[glass granite]

It’s me not reading the description yet and hoping to god that they didn’t add anti matter weapons into the game

[severe rampart]

I think Antimatter Rifles are the DnD equivalent of Railguns

[glass granite]

Read up on the first few chapters of the free basic rules on #learn-to-play , and feel free to ask any questions you might have. Then, make a practice character and get it reviewed in #character-discussion .
Once you’re ready and got the fundamentals down, you can check out #find-a-game for information on how to find a group online. To make a post, type the appropriate command in any chat channel. There’s also DnD beyond forums, reddit or roll 20.

If you’re feeling overwhelmed, I recommend just learning how to make a character, basic ability checks, modifiers, core gameplay, classes and combat.

[strong juniper]

Read a handbook and ask questions to those who've been doing this a while (YouTube helps alot)

[empty thicket]

I will see if in a campaing that is like Stalker setting i get some high caliber gun
So powerful that every shoot take 1hp from me

[remote wadi]

For now, the 2 main ones are that I would become an undead with some debuffs (i.e. needing to consume blood every day, sunlight and trespassing on owned property being an issue)

And Paladin would become an Oathbreaker due to breaking the oath of putting all dead permanently to rest

[glass granite]

Not how oathbreakers work

Also, becoming a vampire? Fitting, but is that worth it? I assume you don’t get much of the upsides.

[glass granite]

They’d just lose their power

[sterile verge]

Any character recommendations?

[remote wadi]

Upsides are there. Spider Walk, whatever that is, resistance to necrotic and non magical physical damage

[glass granite]

Don’t know you enough, but whichever one seems to interest you

[severe rampart]

You can create your own character, with the help of others if you want, fully customizable

[glass granite]

Spider walk is the ability to walk on walls and ceilings

Granted, that’s not half bad

Better than sunlight hypersensitivity tho? Idk

But that’s your choice to make

[severe rampart]

Advice for 2014 Warlock with Snake Primordial patron?

[glass granite]

Get charisma. Profit.

[turbid vessel]

as someone playing a dhampir i can confirm that spiderwalk allows for some very funny shenanigans

[severe rampart]

that'd be nice but I rolled a 9, a 9, a 10, a 10, an 11 and a 14 for my stats and we couldn't reroll, the DM gave me mercy and said add 2/3 to everything

[turbid vessel]

depending on the level a 16 to charisma is completley respectable

[remote wadi]

It is CoS. Overcast weather is extremely common

[glass granite]

Fair. Didn’t know that

[severe rampart]

level 1

[glass granite]

Yeah, completely respectable. Just get your asi at level 4.

[turbid vessel]

oh yeah, you'll function just fine with a 16 in cha as a warlock

[wanton sorrel]

nvm my place order falild

i think i should wait until next week

[severe rampart]

my character is created just for flavor, snake patron with spells of Poison Spray, Eldritch Blast, Command, and Hex

[wanton sorrel]

yeap my card worked on DMS guild but not D&D beyond how odd.

[delicate owl]

Idk, ask in #homebrew

[pseudo pulsar]

oh wrong channel

mb i thought i was in homebrew XD

[static nova]

So this may be a dumb question. So sorry if it is.. but I know in 2014 only certain classes have the ability to cast ritual spells. In 2024 I dont see any of the classes other than wizards that can cast ritual spell unless they take the feat. Is that correct?

[rough basalt]

In 2024 any class can ritual cast if the spell is prepared.

Wizards however can use any ritual from their spellbook, not just prepared ones as long as it's cast as a ritual

[static nova]

Does it still save the spell slot like it did in 2014?

[rough basalt]

Yep

[static nova]

Thank you

[remote wadi]

So, the Oathbreaker part was our Paladin making assumptions again

But I would come back as an undead

Drawbacks are needing to consume blood daily and needing to avoid genuine trespassing, as well as sunlight exposure and running water

But it isn't all bad. I get spider crawling, a light regeneration factor, as well as 2 resistances to necrotic and NMP damage (non magical physical)

[glass granite]

You also get healing?
Ok heck yeah, you’re the ultimate Gloomstalker!

[remote wadi]

Beginning of every turn, I heal to 10 HP if below it

[glass granite]

Last I checked, that means you can’t be downed for more than one turn

So

[remote wadi]

Technically, that would be true...

[vagrant quartz]

oh so we gotta bring in the hard hitters or healing negation

[glass granite]

Any clause that specifies you have to be conscious?

[remote wadi]

Because there's nothing that says regeneration needs to be when I'm at least 1 HP

[dark pewter]

As a GM, I'd either have that effect not work while incapacitated, or have a fail taken if downed below 10 HP

[glass granite]

As a DM, I’d do the former

[dark pewter]

Yeah, the former is better for the player

[vagrant quartz]

i have do idea on how i would deal with that ngl

[glass granite]

You could not give it to them

[dark pewter]

That may be worth bringing up to your DM, to avoid any future issues or on-the-fly balancing

[vagrant quartz]

that sounds right

[dark pewter]

Better to hammer out the rules now, than get rugpulled later

[gray garden]

Thundercloud. Ranged Attack Roll: +12, range 240 ft. Hit: 18 (3d6 + 8) Thunder damage, and the target has the Incapacitated condition until the end of its next turn.

[crimson gulch]

Cloud giants are great

[tiny flame]

Yeah I think as a DM common sense wins over mechanics

[crimson gulch]

The natural 40 death toll for the month is now 7 player charicters.

Folks are nervous about what is to come

[tiny flame]

I think of the game moreso as "the official rules apply to 90% of cases" and I'm allowed to choose what makes most sense when something else makes more sense

[wanton sorrel]

0_0

[gray garden]

I think I should be allowed to eat other fallen players

[tiny flame]

Go for it queen

[idle oar]

I think that would be a topic of discussion for table expectations and boundaries

[tawdry sentinel]

Temp hp every turn is how I've seen regeneration done and that seems somewhat reasonable.

[tiny flame]

The only rule I have on my table is no sex and romance is only allowed is if it's played out like a fairytale romance

[turbid vessel]

haha, yeah that's a common boundary at tables

[tiny flame]

I.e. a knight telling his wife "I will defeat the princess in your honor"

[turbid vessel]

i'll admit though that some of the best tabletop roleplaying i've seen/been a part of have been with people i trust getting really deep into themes of romance and intimacy

[gray garden]

Temp hp

[sonic aspen]

Guys where can i see how much dragons weigh??

[gray garden]

Look it up..?

[fossil hollow]

3.5 Draconomicon

[tiny flame]

I don't think anyone I know would enjoy that. We're a dungeoneering type group

[sonic aspen]

Thx so much

[gray garden]

Why would that ever matter

[tiny flame]

We rarely play so our games are more "monster of the week" type adventures

[turbid vessel]

it's DnD, the game is chockful of opportunities to need very weird and niche pieces of information

[fossil hollow]

Immovable Rod comes to mind

[tiny flame]

Usually point crawls.

I'm too lazy to make maps

[fossil hollow]

also, as a person who loves monster ecology and trivia, weight is a pretty common trait to ask for a monster

[tiny flame]

Immovable rod implies DND world is flat

[gray garden]

I’m still over here wandering if a dragons breath attack counts as magical or not

[fossil hollow]

Or that physics works differently

[tiny flame]

Also true

I want to make a DND world that's a Mobius strip

[fossil hollow]

Faerun, for example, is explicitly a sphere

[gray garden]

A ball

[fossil hollow]

although they had their moments of Flat Faerun theories

[turbid vessel]

yeah, different strokes for different folks. i find myself in groups that really value the roleplaying
sometimes we'll go an entire session rolling only a couple dice just because we get so caught up in the person-to-person interactions

[fossil hollow]

oh wait, not Faerun, Toril

actually, the existence of spelljammer implies most worlds are spheres

[rugged hawk]

Discwould would like to introduce itself.

[fossil hollow]

hence most

apparently, a lot of Realmspace is oceanic planets

[tiny flame]

We're of the mindset of "we're playing a game!" and not "we're experiencing a story" so pretty much everything goes

[gray garden]

Lord Ao being the most powerful being in all of dnd still has to be the funniest thing to me cause we know next to nothing about him

[fossil hollow]

Aha! There is a flat disc planet in Realmspace. H'Catha

[tiny flame]

Wanna tie the body of a golin to your shield to scare them? Sure go for it we don't care

Book says they're evil so it's fine

[gray garden]

Know ye that there is one god above all the gods of Faerun, a being known as Ao, the One Who Is Hidden. Ao it was, so we are told, who created the gods, to bring order out of chaos, so that our world could exist, each beast in its place and each plant in its niche, all in harmony. Standard talk, I know, but evidently true

[tiny flame]

Granted I recall hearing in 5.5 they reworked monster alignment

[rugged hawk]

We know everything we need to know: Ao is just the local team lead who ultimately doesn't matter because his managers make him look like a pissant.

[tiny flame]

Which tbf alignment made no sense ever since 3rd edition

[fossil hollow]

goblins have already been leaning against purely and innately evil for a damn while

[gray garden]

[gray garden]

What about the goblins in the player book?

[fossil hollow]

what about them?

[gray garden]

Sayings purely evil seems disingenuous

[tiny flame]

I love goblins

[rugged hawk]

Mortals -> Deities -> Ao the Ultimately Unimportant -> Cosmic Middle Management -> Cosmic Upper Management

[fossil hollow]

... im saying theyre no longer locked to being horrible, Goblins Slayer type devils

[gray garden]

What about the golden

[fossil hollow]

if not just more obvious

[gray garden]

That haven’t been for a while since volo…

[tiny flame]

It all comes from the LOTR idea of evil where evil is a physical being and by aligning yourself with evil you align yourself with said being

[gray garden]

Since most goblins come from the fey wild

[fossil hollow]

... which is what im saying???

[sonic aspen]

Curious if our monk could carry his hatchling efortlessly on his neck while stroling around thw ship

[gray garden]

Where does it say they are pure evil

[fossil hollow]

I never said the books said they were pure evil

[gray garden]

Doubt a monk would have much strength but who knows

[tiny flame]

So like "Glibglobs were created by the god Glabgalab, who is pure evil, therefore they align with their god"

[fossil hollow]

People just. Can think the common goblin theyve seen used as fodder enemies in a myriad of games and books are just. Mindless gremlins

[sonic aspen]

Yh thought that too

[gray garden]

Also is that a hatchling or wyrmling

[tiny flame]

They're dumb killable creatures mostly yeah

[fossil hollow]

Like, early 5e, lots of people were pretty adamant about the all drow evil, all orcs evil shit

[woven flint]

If it bleeds...
I can kill it 😎

[fossil hollow]

im saying its just more obvious its not the case

[gray garden]

Gods do not bleed

[woven flint]

If it doesn't bleed...
Damnit, I'll still find a way!

[gray garden]

Not all of them at least

[fossil hollow]

you say that like Mystra wasnt bled (and killed)

[woven flint]

Actually... 🤓

[fossil hollow]

Illmater is constantly bleeding

[tiny flame]

Mostly because it's a DND tradition and many people like tradition

[gray garden]

I was referring to vecna

[woven flint]

All Deities can bleed.

Hell, Ilmater is CONSTANTLY bleeding

[fossil hollow]

He has bleed, he has died, and he will always will be whooped

[scarlet marsh]

I always assumed Ao was meant to be the GM 😭

[gray garden]

What about gods without blood

[tiny flame]

I personally don't ever really look at alignment except for when it's mechanically important

[fossil hollow]

That shit lich got taught a lesson by Lady O' Pain

[tiny flame]

Like clerics and paladins etc.

[gray garden]

evil paladins are such a cool concept

[tiny flame]

Or detect evil

[covert root]

Which shit lich?

[crimson gulch]

i mean, the 2014 monster manual for one

[gray garden]

Vecna

[tiny flame]

Moreso in the sense that of you act out of alignment you lose your powers

[fossil hollow]

Detect Evil doesnt detect alignment in 5e

[crimson gulch]

"goblins delight in the torment of other creatures and embrace all manner of wickedness."

[rugged hawk]

Ao is, in cosmic terms, just the local department's team lead who makes sure the deities are doing what they're supposed to. There's beings way above Ao who sent him to micromanage this little corner of the cosmos.

[woven flint]

There's like.. very few?
Primus could be an example since they're a Machine

But, even if God's couldn't bleed, other God's can kill them
Cyric killed Mystra once, for example lol

[gray garden]

That’s more of a 3-3.5e type thing

[tiny flame]

You can be an evil paladin in my games

[fossil hollow]

jah, but i didnt say that. The topic was also about the playable options

[glass granite]

They’re just goofy goobers /j

[fossil hollow]

Also.

Any class cna be any alignment

[gray garden]

Jergal god of the dead

[tiny flame]

I do it in my games, I think it introduces a nice challenge to players

[tiny birch]

Hi guys 👋

[woven flint]

No creature is truly unkillable, some can just come back

[fossil hollow]

we're not in 1e paladin rules

[scarlet marsh]

It's just a beaurocratic hellscape all the way up?

[gray garden]

If it can’t be killed then that means it’s unkillable

[fossil hollow]

some things can die multiple times

[rugged hawk]

Basically. But there's virtually nothing official written about Ao's superiors, only that they do exist and they're why he's here at all.