dnd-discussion

[lusty tendon]

Id make a player use them rather than i running them (like a familiar)

[woven flint]

Both were made Savings Throws,
Counterspell just did it a bit better on behalf of the players

[reef copper]

Feel like thats the best way too

[livid owl]

Honestly having been introduced to DnD with both editions released already, 2024 is objectively more fun . ((To me))

Weapon masteries alone man. Making it mater which weapon you use is so huge to me

You gotta cover your bases man

[buoyant oar]

I am a DM and I embrace nerfs to player options. Nerfs are sometimes need. It is okay to lower the ceiling just as much as it is to raise the floor.

[woven flint]

Because new Counterspell doesn't get rid spellslots, NPC's don't typically have spellslots, so they lose the spell
Counterspelling a player is less worrying because they don't completely lose a spellslot

[empty thicket]

and less damage too 1d10 less

[lyric viper]

I'd personally not call '24 5e a new edition.
Revision, maybe. But it was a gradual update from '14> Xanathars > Tashas > Mordys > '24.
Before when getting into '14, new players were also recommended strongly to get Tasha's too, and Mordys/Xanathars as well.
'24 basically put all those updates plus extra in the core books.

[reef copper]

What you will see soon is that you can get different attributes on weapons anyway. So it does not matter that much.

[lusty tendon]

I have a quick statement to say order of scribes wizard is now my new favorite wizard subclass as it makes me feel like more wizard with my wizard (even though it isnt op it feels good)

[lyric viper]

There is less difference between '14 and '24 than there was between 3.0 and 3.5. And definitely not enough to be a 'new edition'.

[buoyant oar]

When I say that I treated it like a new edition. I mean that for my players and tables. We effectively treat it as such.

Meaning player options start with the release of 5e Revised PHB and move forward.

[crimson gulch]

agreed, the charicter sheet had to change alot between those two, i have players using 2024 and 2014 options at the same table with now issues

[livid owl]

I like innately having unique properties on weapons

[uncut zenith]

It also for the most part standardized their power level so there’s less noticeable “power creep”

[empty thicket]

and the saving throw i can kinda see it why its there, lets not forget that spells are universal thing, not only player.
Being a player and just "counter spell, cry about it" must not feel nice, making it a saving throw is okey

[reef copper]

You can get around it with fighter i think. I will look for the rule

[buoyant oar]

The revision of 5e is closer to the revision of the 2e AD&D system that happened in 1995

[woven flint]

Inflict Wounds being a save should be demonized more than Counterspell being a Save /silly

[stone zodiac]

hiiiii guys

[lyric viper]

I love that there were 'No, it's not a new edition' and 'no it's not 2.5' even back then in the Dragon Magazines

[buoyant oar]

The first page of the '95 PHB is a letter from the edition stressing it is not 3rd edition.

[stone zodiac]

am new to dnd guys how do u get into it

[reef copper]

Level 9: Tactical Master
When you attack with a weapon whose mastery property you can use, you can replace that property with the Push, Sap, or Slow property for that attack.

[empty thicket]

meh, i can see why its made like that. Wont deny the logic behind it.
Still adding a save i would let it like it was, 3d10. It was a whole nerf

[crimson gulch]

Hold person into an auto crit inflict wounds on a plauyer with a priest enemy was DEADLY, i loved it

[primal wolf]

I will say that the new summon spells are really bad. Just overall way less powerful and stunts player choice by taking what used to be a selection of dozens of statblocks down to a single one

[woven flint]

That's a take.
It's less work for everyone at the table and they still have worthwhile effects

[primal wolf]

I liked doing that "work" on my PC's. picking out what animals i wanted to summon was fun.

[woven flint]

New Conjure Minor Elementals is incredibly powerful

[reef copper]

It is unfortunate for shure, i feel 5e was simple enough to still allow the options. But you can always just use 2014 rules

[primal wolf]

yeah but it's not a summon spell; it's an aura spell in 2024

[woven flint]

Still a conjuration, still summoning an elemental, just buffing the caster

[primal wolf]

it's a buff spell with some flavor text about elementals

[buoyant oar]

To me a lot of the trimming down is a lot like the Elder Scrolls evolution.

As the games have come out there have been less and less player creation options. From skills, to classes, to spells. Morrowind have levitation spells and designed its environment to use them. Oblivion had full on spellcrafting allowing some truly broken stuff. Skyrim, had none of that.

It sucks that Skyrim does not have Spear Skill Tree or Medium Armor. But it is still the better overall game. If it wasn't they would not keep selling it.

[woven flint]

Also, it's the Conjure spells that got mostly reworked, not Summons

To be completely fair, the new Conjure spells are just plenty more applicable at higher levels than just summoning creatures a low level AOE could just erase

[buoyant oar]

And each of the TES games have their own rabid fan base. Morrowind had a mod start production in 2002 and it still is not done. Oblivion was just reintroduced to a whole new generation.

Much like how DND players have an edition or version they experienced first, they are more likely to favor that one over all else.

[primal wolf]

they're just so much more limited in scope and function compared to something like summoning 8 CR 1/4th or lower beast statblocks

[naive cedar]

See I disagree that Skyrim is a better overall game. The lack of options makes it a less good role playing game in my opinion, and it continuing to sell well has more to do with its accessibility than anything else.

[woven flint]

Not saying the old one wasn't fun, I love my Wildfire Druid fighting alongside his two giant owls lol..
Which are Celestials in '24 now >:/

[naive cedar]

I agree though that your “preferred” game or version is mostly based on what you grew up with

[buoyant oar]

5e is also lacks a lot of options older editions had but ramped up its accessibility.

[naive cedar]

Ehhh. 5e lacks a lot of options but also added a lot more options (removing race and class restrictions). I don’t think it’s a perfect comparison

My problems with Skyrim compared to previous TES games goes beyond character creation though

[woven flint]

Older Editions (And older Elder Scrolls Games)
Were indeed clunky, but that doesn't mean they're not as valid or good options as the recent editions (and games)

[naive cedar]

IMO Morrowind had the perfect balance between roleplay options and accessibility (though in terms of clunkiness it left a lot to be desired)

[buoyant oar]

I am not saying they are not valid options either. Some people still believe that Morrowind is to this day one of the best computer RPGs ever made.

Just like some people will die on the hill that v3.5 was the peak of the table top game.

[timid current]

I dunno, I grew up with 2nd AD&D and have no interest in going back

[woven flint]

I yearn to play Morrowind.
Maybe because I'm a psychopath /j

[primal wolf]

I've played one game of 3.5e and it was enough to make me not wanna go back to it again

[keen kestrel]

Time to go back to wizards having a d4 hit die

[tawdry sentinel]

Is morowind the one where you walk out the town and a guy falls from the sky.

[naive cedar]

I grew up with 1st ADND and 2nd/3rd edition by proxy lol. I too have little desire to return

Meanwhile I grew up with Morrowind and Oblivion and I am firmly in the “Will die on the hill that morrowind is the best”

[buoyant oar]

Also more DnD Related the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages, (Their Wiki) got access to Juilian Lafay's notes on the DnD 1e Game that inspired the creation of Tamriel. It is a fascinating read.

[woven flint]

Yes

[naive cedar]

Oh really? That’s super cool I’ll check that out (I love UESP)

[keen kestrel]

Might be a hot take, but Morrowind always felt meh, I like oblivion a lot more though

Skyrim is fun, but magic in it kind of sucks

[naive cedar]

Youre the first person I’ve ever heard call morrowind “meh” lol. Personally I love how unique the setting is

[primal wolf]

When you say magic sucks in skyrim do you mean destruction magic or all of it?

[woven flint]

We might wanna go back to D&D chitchat

[woven flint]

All.

[keen kestrel]

I also played oblivion first, then went back to the other one

[buoyant oar]

It is hard to deny that Morrowind plays like ass. Setting cool, story great. But like playing v3.5 it can suuuuck so bad.

[naive cedar]

Fun fact; the reason arena snd daggerfall are free on steam is because they can’t legally sell them bc they take so much from DND

[keen kestrel]

Dnd continues to make things lots of money

[naive cedar]

I love morrowind but I won’t deny that lol. The graphics for the characters are also hilarious even for 2001. I’d like to see a remaster personally

[keen kestrel]

If I could just get a remaster of all the subclasses we’re missing in 2024, I’d be happy

[buoyant oar]

It is not a legal issue. They did it for the 10th anniversary of Arena and the 15th anniversary of Daggerfall. They were free on Bethesda's website for years through DOS BOX long before steam.

[naive cedar]

I’m aware yeah: I meant them being free in general. Notice that they haven’t made morrowind free

[uncut zenith]

So how about that D&D?

[naive cedar]

Right right uhhh…remember negative armour class lol

[woven flint]

Dogs and Doors?
Fun game, honestly

[keen kestrel]

Who plays that game

[uncut zenith]

My campaign is finally starting back up this week now that the holidays are over

[buoyant oar]

I hope they stop remastering subclasses. Or they do it in one book and be done with it. Its kinda lazy to just refresh when they could make new things.

[woven flint]

I get to play my hell conquering Centaur Barbarian soon

[primal wolf]

they slaughtered conjuration wizard with the remake too

[naive cedar]

I’d like for them to remaster subclasses but also add new ones

[keen kestrel]

I mean, new subclasses seem cool, but I do want some to return (and some are just bad flavor wise)

Like the spellfire sorcerer, mechanically cool, but I don’t get the flavor behind it

[uncut zenith]

I’d like an even mix of new and revised subclasses

[lavish flame]

Same tbh. I want them to remaster them all in 1 fell swoop.

[woven flint]

Can't wait for the Updated Transmutation Wizard, it looked immaculate in the UA

[lavish flame]

Something about Winter Walker Ranger and Knowledge Domain Cleric being in the same book just doesn't feel great

[primal wolf]

oh yeah true Transmutation wizard UA was pretty cool looking

[naive cedar]

I question their choices of domains to remaster first tbh

[keen kestrel]

Along with noble genie paladin… like clearly WOTC has favorites

[woven flint]

I love new Knowledge Cleric 🔥

[buoyant oar]

For me I am more excited for new things. A lot of 5e adventures were just remakes or rehashes of stories that are decades old. For me as a DM the best ones where the ones that were new.

[uncut zenith]

I just can’t wait to see if they actually publish the Reanimator artificer, that one at least looked cool thematically

[woven flint]

My Knowledge Cleric is a Tortle fella :>

[elder holly]

Honestly same, a full “one big pass” remaster would fix so many weird edge cases. If they did it cleanly, I’d want three things: (1) power brought up so summons feel worth a slot again, (2) choice brought back (not 1 statblock forever), and (3) table speed stays fast so it doesn’t turn into 12 extra turns

[primal wolf]

Transmutation and Conjuration are some of my favorite spell schools so win some and lose some i guess

[woven flint]

They wouldn't do it all in one book

Because Money

Something Something
"His Greed sickens me!!!"

[keen kestrel]

I’m a magic player, they’ll rarely do what the player base wants

[buoyant oar]

You had

Princes of the Apocalypse - Temple of Elemental Evil
Curse of Strahd - Ravenloft
Tomb of Annihilation - Tomb of Horrors
Eve of Ruin - Rod of Seven Parts/Vecna Trilogy

[lavish flame]

They kinda did Volo's and Mordenkainen's Tome remasters in 1 book, with MMM

[elder holly]

Yeah, that’s the realest way to put it 😅 Transmutation and Conjuration are so much fun because they're essentially “break the rules” schools, where you turn things into other things, move things around, and summon problems/solutions on demand. Even if some spells got nerfed or streamlined, you still get absolute bangers in both schools for creativity alone.

[hot marlin]

Waiiiit...
So, Tyranny of Dragons, basically the standard Dragonlance story ported to the Forgotten Realms using the cult of the dragon as a stand in.
Princes of the Apocalypse, okay yeah it's a rehash of temple of elemental evil.
Curse of Strahd is literally an expanded remake of Ravenloft.
Storm King's Thunder is little more than Against the Giants expanded.
Tomb of Annihilation is Tomb of Horror.
Eve of Ruin is...What is it actually? A mix of rod of seven parts and those Vecna adventures + a tiny bit from everything "iconic"

[buoyant oar]

5e has always been a bit nostalgia bait

[primal wolf]

Yeah; also just so much more interesting to me to conjure a thing that does damage for me than it is to do damage myself

[woven flint]

I'd love to fight the Princes of Elemental Evil one day, they seem like cool enemies/boss fights

[lavish flame]

I honestly like some of the new stuff they've been doing

Radiant Citadel is banger after banger. I wish they did more like it

[buoyant oar]

Rime of the Frostmaiden, and Avernus, were so good.

[hot marlin]

Dungeon of the Mad Mage obviously is just Undermountain. No originality there.

[lavish flame]

I don't need old adventures ported to 5e, I can just use old adventures with 5e rules

[buoyant oar]

Tales from the Yawning Portal, Ghosts of Saltmarsh, and Quests From the Infinite Staircase were all rehashes.

[lavish flame]

when Red Hand of Doom (3e) calls for Hobgoblins and a Black Dragon, 5e has Hobgoblins and Black Dragons

[hot marlin]

Oh red hand of doom, that was a good one

[primal wolf]

i'm kinda new to MTG actually, can i show you a commander game i recently played?

[hot marlin]

Still think the best 5e adventure is either Rime of the Frostmaiden or Chains of Asmodeus

[buoyant oar]

But yea, the creatives at the DnD team have proven they can do original stories that don't rely on old characters or dungeons.

So more of that plz.

[lavish flame]

Lost Mine of Phandelver getting snubbed

[buoyant oar]

Phandalin, a town so good, its featured in 3 separate adventures.

[primal wolf]

Honestly i'm really tired of not being in dungeons in my dnd games.

[naive cedar]

I want more dragons personally

[keen kestrel]

I’ve been out for awhile, so I’m catching ba k up on all the new stuff

[blissful ibex]

and conjure woodland creatures is a ramming emination/aura
and conjure animals is basicly better flaming sphere

[keen kestrel]

I want more dragons IN dungeons personally

[buoyant oar]

And Phandalin is like the Stage 4 of this rehash trend as it got rehashed as part of the same edition.

[naive cedar]

Same 😤

[primal wolf]

yeah this is part of my problem with the changes-

[brisk wigeon]

Btw can anyone suggest a good dnd campaign on YouTube where they use irl or online miniature to showcase the scenes? I love VLDL dnd playthroughs

[woven flint]

I just want to eat dungeons

[keen kestrel]

My dm made us fight a dragon in a cave, it was very scary lmao

[lavish flame]

Realllll Phandalin is peak

If I could live anywhere in a D&D world, it might be Phandalin

[blissful ibex]

more mechanical effects that invoke there being a bunch of creatures there without literally rolling stat blocks and bogging down initiative/action econ

[lavish flame]

maybe not, cuz of the horrors that happen there often

[keen kestrel]

The dragon cut off the exit and filled the room with poison fog

[uncut zenith]

Definitely depends on the era. I would not wanna be a Phandalin resident during the Shattered Obelisk era lol

[lavish flame]

Dragons+Water/Lava is my favorite thing

Drag people underwater and have the dragon tear them up

[primal wolf]

Yeah but the flavor text of there being creatures without any actually being there doesn't really suit me, someone who enjoys playing and running summoner builds

[blissful ibex]

Come play druid, we've got draconic transformation and tsunami :3

[lavish flame]

Nah I'm on Wizard timing rn

[primal wolf]

Shadow wizard money gang

[lavish flame]

I've got Ritual Spells out the wazoo

[keen kestrel]

Join us on the sorcerer side

[naive cedar]

is it weird that i kind of want to hang out with myconics

[keen kestrel]

You get more cool features and less flexibility

[woven flint]

Let's see I'm on
Wizard, Cleric, Warlock, Fighter, Barbarian and Artificer timer

[lavish flame]

heavens no, I like having a big spell list

[blissful ibex]

They took all the fun ritual spell scroll searching away from Pact of the Tome and ritual caster q_q

[keen kestrel]

Not me, I like planning out my list ahead of time

[lavish flame]

I want to be a swiss army caster

[tall delta]

Any recommendations on character sheets that aren’t the dnd beyond one

[keen kestrel]

Cleric/warlock x2/sorcerer right now for me

[umbral girder]

The regular PDF character sheets usually

[crimson gulch]

paper is best honestly

[blissful ibex]

and gave pact of the tome 2 incredibly lacklustre branching Eldritch Invocations

at least they made ancient secrets part of the base EI, but they cut it off at the knees at the same time

[keen kestrel]

Ancient secrets is really the main reason to pact of the tome anyway

[woven flint]

All the class I'm playing atm
All pf my characters, except my Barbarian and Artificer, are all far too nice lmao
Except my Warlock, he has a VITRIOL hatred towards demons

[tall delta]

So no boxes just write everything down on a blank sheet of paper in a semi organized way

[umbral girder]

Drops Yugololths /jk

[buoyant oar]

There is a paper character sheet you can print.

[bronze wave]

I use pdf for editing mine

[fiery kayak]

I've thought of a good idea for a backstory for my fighter. He wishes to be the greatest fighter that history has ever known. Think Zoro from One Piece.

[umbral girder]

Paper character sheets come with the PHB and basic rules and box sets

[lavish flame]

no, like a paper character sheet you print out. The Player's Handbook and Basic Rules will get you the 5e character sheets

[crimson gulch]

i print off the blank ones from the PHB

[buoyant oar]

Like the paper ones you can print out.

The hive mind has answered.

[keen kestrel]

Hive minddddd

[primal wolf]

I have something like 15 PC's and 2 of them are non-wizards

[bronze wave]

make more paladins

[keen kestrel]

One day I will play every single paladin subclass

Well, except for oathbreaker (I’m too nice to want to break an oath)

[woven flint]

Those double crit guiding bolts were glorious

[primal wolf]

I'm not really into paladins in 5e

[umbral girder]

I don’t think I have ever used a Yugololth’s stat block tbh

I should fix that.

[keen kestrel]

Play the new one, it’s still pretty fun

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah the 2024 Paladin feels so much more fun to play.

[keen kestrel]

I did like nova blasting things, but I’m coming round to the new one

[primal wolf]

I don't like martials much

[empty thicket]

There is where you are wrong buddy, you arent only breaking an oath.
When the king you gave your word, your devotion and faith turn into a ruler, a tyrant
When the king that was your ideal of justice and kindness turn into what he promised to Fight and Eradicate
Your oath being shattered would be wrong? Would you turn your back to the ruler or to the people that carry the hopes and ideals of a better future.

[uncut zenith]

It doesn’t help that they get so little attention in a lot of campaigns

[umbral girder]

Besides Turn the Fortune’s Wheel and some other minor ones

[empty thicket]

And still, you can be an oathbreaker and still be good

[uncut zenith]

Like most of the yugoloths in official campaigns are just individuals or small units used to side with devils or demons

[keen kestrel]

Mechanically I just don’t like their abilities, flavor wise I don’t want to play a pc who has an incredibly grim back story

[uncut zenith]

The subclass does require you to be evil

[umbral girder]

The subclass says you gotta be evil in its description.

[empty thicket]

Na, isnt about a grim backstory, i like to put that dilemmas in some classes that use rules. Paladin is one of those

[primal wolf]

I'm evil for the fun of the game not because my subclass tells me to be

[umbral girder]

It’s why it’s in the Villain NPC section of the DMG after all.

[elder holly]

If your oath was to justice mercy and the protection of the innocent and the king becomes the thing he swore to destroy then staying loyal to him can become the real betrayal. In that moment the question isn’t “Do I abandon my word?” it’s “What was my word actually for?” A ruler is a person an oath is supposed to be a principle

[empty thicket]

Okey, i got 2 sides of the coin replying in the same place

[naive cedar]

oathbreaker being required to be evil is dumb imo

i feel like it should depend on the oath and the reasons for breaking it

[keen kestrel]

Tbf, it’s aura is called Aura of Hate

[uncut zenith]

Remember that Oathbreaker is a misnomer. Oathbreakers aren’t just paladins who broke their oaths, they’re paladins who broke their oaths with the explicit intent of pursuing evil.

[hot marlin]

Again, an Oathbreaker is not a paladin who broke their oath. It's a paladin that broke their oath to pursue evil ambitions.

[umbral girder]

The point is you do not become an Oathbreaker by just breaking your Oath.
Breaking your Oath just loses your powers.

Oathbreakers are ones who go further and make deals with evil beings.

[elder holly]

You’re not breaking your oath you’re keeping its meaning. If the king becomes a tyrant loyalty to him turns into betrayal of the people. An oath to justice isn’t a chain to a crown

[hot marlin]

Why do we keep having this conversation btw?

[empty thicket]

Yeah but i was mostly going for the Oath to the crown

[naive cedar]

alright i appreciate people correcting my misconception

[umbral girder]

Oathbreaker ≠ Breaking your Paladin Oath

[keen kestrel]

Because I don’t like oath breakers

[hot marlin]

"Oathbreaker" is a bit of a misnomer. It should have been called something else

[keen kestrel]

That’s the only paladin subclass I don’t really want to play

[naive cedar]

i can start an alignment discussion if you'd like /j

[empty thicket]

damn, bad pickle then

[naive cedar]

im still new to 5e admittedly

[loud tendon]

probably because we get an influx of new people all the time who stumble across these ideas/builds and have no idea we've already tread this ground.

[primal wolf]

You hate oathbreakers because they're evil, I hate oathbreakers because once a paladin always a paladin. we are not the same

[elder holly]

If the crowned ruler becomes a tyrant, you’re not obligated to enable them you’re obligated to the realm’s stability and the people’s safety. At that point the “Crown” can mean the line of succession the council/regent the lawful courts or the charter/constitution of the kingdom. You can oppose the king while still honoring your oath by treating it like “I serve the Crown not the man.”

[keen kestrel]

I mean… my lawful neutral aasimar who is ok with stealing would have a word

[naive cedar]

remember back when druids were required to be true neutral

[keen kestrel]

Wow, that hurt my heart

[uncut zenith]

It also doesn’t help that a lot of new D&D players come in after playing BG3, where Oathbreaker is a potential unlockable player option that doesn’t require alignment

[umbral girder]

Oathbreaker notably is not in a player facing book either.

It’s in the Dungeon Master’s guide for making Villainous NPCs. Just like Death Domain cleric

[stiff rock]

not to mention the guy who gives it to you also is a lawful good oathbreaker lol

[empty thicket]

True, but that is something that depend of who read it, in my side i think would be like i said, it can be in yours and both are totally right

[primal wolf]

that might be the necrotic damage

[naive cedar]

i will admit this is part of why i was confused

[keen kestrel]

Nah, it’s the wizard who hit me with fireball “on accident”

[elder holly]

Yeah, that’s fair, it does depend on how the oath is framed in the story/world and both readings can be “right” because they’re rooted in different definitions of what the Crown actually is

[umbral girder]

BG3 ≠ D&D. While they are similar BG3 does a lot differently.

[primal wolf]

that's the difference between me and other wizards; I'll hit you with fireball on purpose

[uncut zenith]

BG3 doesn’t really have any mechanics enforced by alignment. If you want to be good, you do good things narratively. Same if you wanna be evil.

[primal wolf]

(and then probably heal you with my other class dip because i don't actually like hurting my party)

[uncut zenith]

Which is why in theory, an Oathbreaker can be good in BG3

[naive cedar]

and the only oathbreaker npc you come across is one of the leaders of the "good" factions iirc

[naive cedar]

i think the only one thats kind of alignment dependent is lolth sworn versus seldarine drow, and even then, you dont pick an alignment

[empty thicket]

Yep, i like the idea of "a good guy using dark powers", it let you more space to creativity for me. The temptation of the dark powers corrupting it or the good guy using them even knowing what they are, because its what he can use and nothing else.

[uncut zenith]

Right. And you could still be an evil Seldarine drow or a good Lolthite drow in BG3. Because again, the mechanics of the game don’t really force you to be good or evil.

[empty thicket]

its in some way like the Chaotic good, the person want to do the things right, but will find any way to make it.

[elder holly]

Yeah, that trope rules because it’s basically morality under pressure instead of “good = shiny, bad = edgy.” If you want more creative room give the dark power a real cost and a real benefit: it works when nothing else does but it always asks for a little more than you meant to give

[elder holly]

Yeah that’s peak chaotic good energy: “I will do the right thing… I just refuse to do it the approved way

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah this is the exact text from the DMG on Oathbreaker.
“A paladin must be evil and at least 3rd level to become an Oathbreaker.”

[keen kestrel]

It’s ok, I’m on noble genie paladin with fire as my chosen type, so quarter dmg for me

[elder holly]

Yep, that line is real. In the DMG Oathbreaker is written as a villain option you break your sacred oath to pursue dark ambition/serve evil and the book says you must be evil (and 3rd level+) to take it

[uncut zenith]

I also still don’t like that the 2024 Oathbreaker is still a Paladin

[umbral girder]

Well it’s not out just yet.

[uncut zenith]

With oaths being so intrinsic to a paladin’s progression, I feel like a paladin who refuses to keep an oath just shouldn’t be a paladin anymore

[uncut zenith]

Yeah I forgot to mention it’s in UA

[empty thicket]

would like it have more "dark" powers instead, like warlock spells instead of still holding the same list

[past latch]

maidenless paladin 💔

[empty thicket]

but i guess that would be too problematic, i still think that its okey because corruption a character is something i find interesting in a story

[elder holly]

Go paladin/warlock multiclass (or take Shadow Touched/Magic Initiate: Warlock) so you keep paladin core but gain dark warlock-style spells

[uncut zenith]

I’d honestly make Oathbreaker a Fighter or Ranger subclass or something

Flavor it as a hunter of divine folk or something

[elder holly]

Nah it’s not “too problematic” corruption arcs are chef’s kiss for story just keep it player-driven and agree on limits so it stays fun for everyone

[waxen scaffold]

Talking about Paladin, thinking about letting my Oath of Redemption player have resistance to the damage taken by Aura of Guardian

[buoyant oar]

DnD players in the 5e era have, in my experience, generally not liked anything mechanically that imposes something upon their character they don't agree with.

Oathbreaker and Evil is a big example of that.

Some things needed decoupling like stats and species options. But not everything needed to be mechanically consequence free. Imo

[lavish flame]

I feel similarly

[uncut zenith]

Agreed

[lavish flame]

I think ppl are used to quicksave/quickloading in video games and want similar Get Out of Jail Free cards in D&D

[past latch]

more fun to suffer the consequences imo

suffering builds character

[umbral girder]

Restriction breeds creativity after all.

[delicate owl]

Yes. Limits should be a thing.

I know players that would probably throw a fit when their nat 20'a can't change the world automatically.

I find CR and D20 amusing, but they have set up some bad and incorrect expectations for actual, at the table, typical d&d

[lavish flame]

I once had a player ask if they could just end a deal with a devil whenever they wanted. I like consequences in my D&D, so that was a swift No.

[delicate owl]

I mean they could, but Im sure there is a consequence lol.

[umbral girder]

I had a player quit because an archer used their Archer’s Eye damage with a critical hit

(Basically adds a d10 like smite adds damage)

[empty thicket]

yeah, maaaybe

[empty thicket]

WAIT!! there is range Smite?

[umbral girder]

It’s an NPC ability

Add a d10 to a missed attack roll or a d10 to range weapon attack’s damage

Consumes a bonus action to use.

[empty thicket]

ooooooohhhh... i wanted to do Victor from Vermintide 2.... his special its a blessed shot that do a lot of damage...

[umbral girder]

You could just give special ammo for that.

[buoyant oar]

I am big on consequences tbh. Both in terms of mechanical things and in terms of role play. I cannot play with a player that consistently attempts to never face accountability for their actions.

[glass granite]

Thrown weapons in 2024 rules is the closest we got

[elder holly]

Ahhhh, btw how was your day?

[empty thicket]

and then scream from the bottom of my lungs : " The crime is your foul existence, the sentence is death!"

[empty thicket]

im hating it, too warm. Summer roast me like a chicken and not even season me properly

[empty thicket]

Oh...meh, it work

[glass granite]

Hi hating it, I’m Nugget.
And yeah it’s been so hot lately

[umbral girder]

Depends on the ability used

Because thrown weapons specified as a Ranged attack when thrown.

So the smite has the say “Melee weapon” and not “Melee weapon Attack” or “melee attack”

[stiff rock]

southern hemisphere?

temperature has been in the negatives where i live lol

[empty thicket]

Yep.
Went the weekend from a storm, winter to now summer, there its a sun capable of toast anything

[empty thicket]

mmmmmmm.........special ammo and a bless using it in that gun shoot

[glass granite]

Went over 40 where I am

[stiff rock]

my condolences

[stark tundra]

I want negatives

It's 55 today here

[stiff rock]

whenever it's cold all i wish for is for it to be warm, and vice versa when it's hot lol

[glass granite]

-# I got whiplash there, I use Celsius

[empty thicket]

for now im closer to 30ºc, coming back from a weekend where we had from 12 to 19. This is going to be a long week

[elder holly]

Well we have snow here lol and I love it

[empty thicket]

I dont know how is snow, never saw it or touched it

[stiff rock]

we were meant to have a 'wall of snow' and it snowed for like 10 minutes then immediately rained

[stark tundra]

12 Celsius

[empty thicket]

Maaan, making a campaign around surviving in idk, Deep north Canada or smt

The long dark kind of thing

[past latch]

get eaten by wolves on night 1

[stark tundra]

I could survive it

[stiff rock]

haha yeah i've got an extreme weathers table for my campaign when my players travel through deserts, you've just reminded me i ought to do it for the cold bits too

[elder holly]

I really would like to share images of where I am?

[empty thicket]

got spawned in Timberwolf Mountain, guess who have like 6 wolfs around, 2 bears and 1 jaguar

[empty thicket]

thanks but im good, i will see someday snow

[stark tundra]

Snow is so pretty

[empty thicket]

Mmm... how to balance a survival campaign....

[elder holly]

Ahhh I got it

[stark tundra]

If people knew how to drive in it that would be better

[empty thicket]

Because magics can make food out of nowhere

[past latch]

allow cannibalizing other PCs

[stiff rock]

i feel like most other TTPRGS do survival a lot better than d&d

[empty thicket]

No.(?)

[stark tundra]

I mean just watch out for the lizardfolk

[past latch]

🧐

[past latch]

any specific examples?

[elder holly]

Balance it by making resources matter without making it miserable: use a clear “day loop” (food/water/shelter + exhaustion) give multiple solutions to every problem track time/weather as the real enemy and scale encounters so the threat is usually attrition + hard choices, not constant death fights

[stiff rock]

not that i've played them, but i believe mothership has a good survival aspect

d&d is the only ttrpg i've played but it doesn't do survival very well RAW

and most homebrew survival mechanics revolve around random tables, CON saves and exhaustion

[umbral girder]

Water.

Also they are using slots to do that, so now you can bully them harder with them having less slots

[past latch]

i would not want to be a water genasi in that party

[umbral girder]

Also weather

[stiff rock]

create food and water, then immediately long rest to restore the slot?

i would honestly alter or straight up ban any food-creating spells in a survival based campaign

[umbral girder]

Cannot long rest until 24 more hours. And weather affects you each hour.

[stiff rock]

still though, a 3rd level spell slot creates a day of food and 3 days of water for a party of 5

[umbral girder]

And after those 24 hours you lose the slots again

Because you need food and water for the next day as well

[empty thicket]

im kinda basing in my experience in The long Dark, good game
You can get weapons and fight back but injuries arent the only problem, item durability too like in every survival game, they seems made of the worst materials possible
Cold, hunger, some eventual threats like bears in the area, cougar, wolves.
I can put a x10 in the animals yeah
Track their hunger, water, temp and sleep.
Weight too

[stiff rock]

well yeah, but i don't think something as simple as a spell should be able to solve one of the core pillars of a survival system

[empty thicket]

Make some kind of durability in some stuff.
The thing is, what is the goal? Escape the place? find the source of such chaos in that area? etc. etc.

[robust dragon]

Classes and fears make it easy.

Also, mending and some tools to help with item longevity.

[empty thicket]

make them be part of a group that try to save people and help them in that area or smt would be a way to approach it....

[umbral girder]

Also wild animals/monsters too.

[empty thicket]

So there would be some interaction between npcs and them, but in other way making it a whole campaign of them alone surviving in such place is something that tempt me

[empty thicket]

Yep, that is the problem,
how i inactivate hunting? Make the meat of those wild animals give temp hp or smt would be a way
The magic food not filling too much too

[stiff rock]

i did solve this issue by basically telling my party that any magically conjured food would only be nourishing to the one who conjured it

so while it's not completely useless, it isn't as useful as it originally was

[empty thicket]

i like that one ngl, it can be a way

in any way, will see slowly how to aproach into a campaign like that

[stiff rock]

i do have a relatively indepth system for a homebrew campaign i run

[blissful ibex]

Do you do the same with Elementalism & Create/Destroy water though

[stiff rock]

our general ruling is that any kind of nourishment created magically is only nourishing to the one who conjured it. it's not come up yet, but i guess so?

[elder holly]

Love the Long Dark vibe just keep it survival-y without turning it into homework. Track Hunger/Thirst/Warmth/Fatigue + weight and make durability the real limiter (gear wears down on bad rolls/overuse but you can patch it with scavenged parts). For animals, don’t spam fights use a threat clock: wolves harass bears are rare “oh crap” moments cougar is an ambush and most packs back off once hurt. Each day should force one tough choice (push on tired vs camp carry loot vs move fast hunt vs save ammo) and smart prep should clearly pay off

[blissful ibex]

my survival/exploration checklist is like:

• make random encounter tables
• don't bring the party to the immediate area of whatever objective, and have them need to look around a bit to find it
• add chase sequences
• add tracking quests, encounters,
• hide things along the path for the party to potentially find if they poke around
• add obstacles like rivers that have overflowed their banks, weather, hazards, etc
• use the Extreme heat/cold rules
• Roll for weather every day and have that matter if they're going to be outside; perhaps have it impact the disposition of NPCs (IE. heavy rain, fog, snow, hail, and wind grant Lightly Obscured)
• make slightly longer, more survival oriented treks where the party needs to move through less developed areas and have to find/conserve food/resources
• actually keep track of rations/water/feed and have the druid/ranger burn slots on goodberry and create/destroy water or the Artificer/Cleric/Paladin on Create Food/Water if that's the plan
• encourage the use of pack animals if they have to travel far

really a few of these should be standard in every game but it always gets handwaved

especially weather and actually requiring that the party roll for foraging or burn slots

[buoyant oar]

You could run a survivalist campaign in the Forgotten Realms. Plenty of places where there is no town for hundreds of miles. I recently ran one set in the Ride/Tortured Lands. Big fun. Rangers shine so much in those games

[umbral girder]

Easy thing to do for the weather, don’t roll it every day, instead roll up a calendar. Saves time.

A week usually helps but you can go how you want.

[blissful ibex]

Which is why some of the easier to implement bits of that list need to be more commonly run
Really helps your Druids, Rangers, Scouts, etc have a moment where they feel validated picking the fun naturey class

[weak fjord]

Guys, is a level 8 spell that deals 18d8 damage to a single target and then cc's with a choice of stunning or blinding an enemy balanced or too strong?

[blissful ibex]

Closest equivelent is going to be something like Befuddlement

[buoyant oar]

Skipping Exploration does to your ranger what skipping social encounters does to your bard.

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2618832-befuddlement

damage is a bit high, but it's not terribly off base for an effect at that tier

[lavish flame]

there's 2 supermassive deserts that are perfect for this

[robust dragon]

Could also be balanced around components and casting time

[blissful ibex]

except skipping the former is basically standard practice and skipping the latter breaks thigns so isn't really done

[lavish flame]

skipping the former similarly breaks stuff tho

[blissful ibex]

it does but they do it anyway

I'm basically considering running druidcraft to force weather checks

[lavish flame]

the game does assume that you do all 3 pillars of play. when you don't, problems arise

[buoyant oar]

I would commit several white collar crimes to get a survival campaign in the Purple Desert of Raurin.

[keen kestrel]

I really want a trip through the shadowfell honestly

[lavish flame]

I'd love an adventure that dealt with the Upper Planes at all

[buoyant oar]

Anauroch is the least interesting desert of Faerûn and I will die on that hill.

It is a hill no one cares about but I will die on it

[lavish flame]

all my homies love the Icewind Dale

[keen kestrel]

I love ice wind dale because of drizzt

[lavish flame]

Actually, I think the Icewind Dale still has snow, so its not a desert

[keen kestrel]

Not necessarily the area itself honestly

[naive cedar]

I love cold so I love icewind dale

[buoyant oar]

Also, Netheril is the least interesting lost human civilization in Faerûn.

[keen kestrel]

I love like gray areas, so the Shadowfell is probably one of my favorite places

[buoyant oar]

Give us some Jhaamdath love, we love a human civilization of Psions.

[keen kestrel]

That would be a great book to introduce the class too

[lavish flame]

I reslly hope they experiment with nore classis

Dedicated Psionicist is great, I want more class chasses to build off of

[keen kestrel]

The int mod in general needs more love, so I’m hopeful they bring psion in soon

[crimson gulch]

i would be fine if the psion stayed shelved, i just want more good campaigns to run

[burnt valley]

More casters fixes this issue (only one of them has to actually do it)

And take turns per short rest

[lavish flame]

Give me 5e Warlord WOTC I beg of you

[potent vector]

I wouldn't bet on it just because they apparently WOTC a while back said they wish they had less classes

Forgor which employee

[fossil hollow]

how time relative was this to the UAs?

[potent vector]

Apparently they gave in with Psion

[lavish flame]

prolly Mike Mearls. he doesn't know how to shut up

[buoyant oar]

I tbh liked 5e's design ethos while he was in charge a lot more than JC

[potent vector]

It was during 5.5 UAs iirc

[buoyant oar]

TBH that was back in Perkins and Crawford were running the show on rules dev.

Things are very different now.

See: Executive Producer saying in 2023 that Dark Sun is probably never going to return. And then in 2025 getting a very clearly Dark Sun UA

[potent vector]

Any classes you guys think are "missing" from DnD?

(Must be an age old question atp lol)

[buoyant oar]

Battle Commander / Warlord

[timber turtle]

What sorcerer subclass are you if you're like an oracle or oneiromancer

[buoyant oar]

A martial support that supports not via magic spells.

[potent vector]

Full martial support, ic.

Like Banneret

But a full class

[buoyant oar]

But not a fighter exactly

[umbral girder]

Warlord absolutely

[potent vector]

I mean, none of the subclass options involve fighter things besides using the same resource.

I get what you mean.

[buoyant oar]

A full Psionic class

[glass granite]

Yeah the closest we have (for an entire class) is monk, and that’s a beeeeeg stretch

[buoyant oar]

One thing I did not like from Tasha's on ward is instead of giving us a Psionic class with a bunch of subclasses. They gave Psionic subclasses to a bunch of classes.

[potent vector]

Clockwork Soul btw

[timber turtle]

Is that like steampunk? Sounds steampunk

[fossil hollow]

its somewhat steampunk, it definitely has a lot of the clockwork aesthetics, but its mostly about balance

[glad arch]

Now im curious which class would have the least effect on gameplay style when cut

[fossil hollow]

sorceror imo

[glad arch]

Like warlocks are very unique with shortrest spellslots compared to other spellcasters promoting a big difference then other casters

[karmic pendant]

Probably sorcerer or ranger

[glad arch]

That was my first assumption as well

[glad arch]

Mmmh, ranger is kinda the ranged half caster where paladin is (in the fantasy im aware of ranged paladin existing) melee half caster

[timber turtle]

Warlocks are cool in every other way except for gameplay

[halcyon forum]

Ranger, for all its faults when it comes to class identity, does play pretty different from all the other classes in my experience

[glad arch]

Do all martials play vastly different?

[fossil hollow]

Depends on your definition of Vastly, but yeah

[halcyon forum]

the thing with warlocks is that most of their spell list is really bad for their spell slot situation

you gotta know how to pick the right spells to actually take advantage of those slots

[glad arch]

Seems the most concensus does seem sorcerer is the 'most obsolete' class

[karmic pendant]

They all have something that makes them different as they all have some unique feature

[glad arch]

(I do still love sorcerer it was my first character)

[keen kestrel]

It hurts that this is mostly true

[halcyon forum]

I dont think any class should be cut btw. I want more classes

[keen kestrel]

I don’t think sorcerer is the most obsolete, it’s just very similar to wizard in how it functions, but with less spells

[glad arch]

Oowh yeh im not asvocating for any class cuts, i was just curious based on a earlier conversation about 'too many classes'

[glass granite]

Hardly think there are too many classes myself

[glad arch]

Thats kinda the point though, large part of the sorcerer fantasy can be played as a wizard

[keen kestrel]

Eh, I’d say flavor wise they’re much different

[glad arch]

Thats a fair point

I was thinking mostly mechanically so far

[karmic pendant]

Honestly I like sorcerers more than wizards mostly because wizards seem more basic

[glad arch]

Yeh but wizard is about as iconic as you get for a class

[karmic pendant]

True

[glad arch]

The company is named wizards of the coast after all

[karmic pendant]

That's why it would never get cut

[timber turtle]

Can you make your fighter poison themed in any way?

[karmic pendant]

I would assume you can don't think there's a subclass for that though

[fossil hollow]

buy poison

[timber turtle]

What would be the best acid spell to learn for it?

[karmic pendant]

If it's a fighter preferably one that's close range

Do you have a species in mind?

[fossil hollow]

Acid and Poison are different things. But theres Acid Splash and Poison Spray for cantrips

hm. IG you can try to make Eldritch Knight Poison based. Not that I would reccomend it

[timber turtle]

Yuan ti ofc for free poison spray

[glad arch]

Reccomending a poison build would be mistake 1

[karmic pendant]

Green dragonborn could also work thanks to the breath attack

[glad arch]

Could be very fun thematically but from all i heard a pain mechanically

[fossil hollow]

if someone wants to do it, its up to them. Im giving options then giving my opinion

[timber turtle]

It would be just a charisma dex fighter and you dump every other stat

[fossil hollow]

what does CHA have to do with poison? I would think CON

build up immunity and such

[timber turtle]

All the Yuan ti spells can be cast with you charisma if chosen

[fossil hollow]

ah, right, spellcasting

[timber turtle]

And suggestion can only be cast with charisma which is great I hear

[devout tulip]

would it still work if I just played with a white grid and not a map

[potent vector]

Also, same. (It's Ranger.)

It's my favorite class but I'm not satisfied with the rework (why I made my own homebrew one)

It's not the best at anything rn 😭

[keen kestrel]

If it was 2014, I’d say sorcerer, but by 2024 it’s prob ranger

[glass granite]

It’s good at being…something at everything

[keen kestrel]

Now sorcerers get their innate sorcery

And rangers get…. Hunters mark

[potent vector]

Jack of all trades master of none . . . Hm . . . I wonder if another class is somehow still better at that . . . 🤔

(Bard)

[keen kestrel]

The worst part is there’s two that come to mind before Ranger

[glass granite]

Bard superiorityyyy
In my mind it’s a more martial bard

[delicate owl]

Where is the rest of that phrase 🙁 its so important lol

[potent vector]

Better than a master of one

[glass granite]

But often is better than a master of one-
Cmon

[keen kestrel]

I’d say rangers are almost just a magic version of rogues, but without any of the cool bits

[timber turtle]

Sword bard is so goofy

Imagine a guy flying around like a fairy with his rapier

[glass granite]

Bards are magic jack of all trades, rogue is martial jack of all trades, ranger exists

That being said I do like ranger

Around as much as rogues

[halcyon forum]

I mean rangers are like 80% fighter /70% rogue / 50% Druid. thats not so bad

[timber turtle]

Ranger is fighter but free range

[keen kestrel]

I don’t hate rangers, they just kind of exist in comparison to other classes

I just wish WOTC hadn’t screwed then over in 2024

[stiff rock]

I always get so stuck when I choose between martial classes, especially for more dex based ones

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t say they got screwed over tbh

They certainly could be better, but they’re not that bad

[timber turtle]

But you play ranger and get a dragon or another monster as a pet and then you're satisfied with being a ranger

[stiff rock]

While not as inherently interesting as other classes, I quite enjoy mine and I don't feel like I fall behind in any aspect

[keen kestrel]

When half their features care about hunters mark (which should’ve been an effect instead of a spell), it certainly feels like they did

[potent vector]

Imo, and what I did with my homebrew, Ranger's identity should be Hunters. What they hunt and how they hunt should be what their subclasses should answer

[glass granite]

Drakewarden and beast master go hard. They’re my favourites after Gloomstalker

[keen kestrel]

To be clear, I think WOTC just made good decisions with a lot of other classes, not so much that rangers are bad but other classes got good changes

[halcyon forum]

all the classes got significant power boosts or Qol upgrades compared to tashas. Rangers got a sidegrade, two steps forward, two steps back.

[stiff rock]

Fair enough, from what I've seen they were a little neglected but I do still think they're good fun

[keen kestrel]

I don’t hate the idea, but hunters mark shouldn’t be a spell

[glass granite]

Especially monk
Monk da goat

[potent vector]

Ofc

[timber turtle]

And you can play ranger subclassed into bladesinger wizard to actually be a good bladesinger

[glad arch]

Thats a new one ive heard

[glass granite]

Or you could play bladesinger, and be a good bladesinger

[timber turtle]

Isn't it sucky?

[halcyon forum]

yeah ranger/bladesinger seems significantly worse than just bladesinger

[glass granite]

Nope

[potent vector]

Kensei 2024 when . . . Then Gun monk will become supreme . . .

[glass granite]

It’s still a wizard, but you have more AC now!

[halcyon forum]

and one of the better subclasses too

[potent vector]

They mean the multiclassing, not bladesinger

[timber turtle]

Pure wizard bladesinger makes you feel more like Gandalf with a sword then a forest elf singing into her daggers to make them glow green and knifing de foresters

[glass granite]

They did?

[halcyon forum]

gandalf does have a sword

and he uses it too

[lavish flame]

he fights the Balrog with a sword

[potent vector]

They mean the former is pure bladesinger, the latter is multiclassing

[timber turtle]

That's why I used him as an example

[halcyon forum]

okay but feeling like gandalf is not a bad thing?

[hidden spindle]

Bladesinger with Martial Weapon Training for Gunsong

[naive cedar]

…Gandalf has a sword?

[halcyon forum]

I just realize that "wizard with a gun" is totally doable with 2024 bladesinger

[naive cedar]

Man I really need to read up on lotr lore

[timber turtle]

They just get left inside the factory singing into bullets that the troops need

[round heath]

Hello

[unborn lotus]

You haven't read or watched LoTR?

[naive cedar]

I genuinely don’t remember him using a sword but I’m probably just dumb

[halcyon forum]

he does fight the Balrog with it for example

[naive cedar]

I remember he had a stick or something he cast magic with

[unborn lotus]

Bladesinger doesn't feel enough like Gandalf for me though, or any sort of gish for that matter. the blade dance thing comes with too much built in lore

[timber turtle]

He didn't use the sword after turning white If I remember correctly

[unborn lotus]

I'd rather take some fighter levels for a far less optimal but more satisfying build

[timber turtle]

Wait no he did

[unborn lotus]

He does in the final battle

[naive cedar]

Is it in the movie? I haven’t read the books in a decade

[halcyon forum]

yes

[timber turtle]

Tiras minith too

[naive cedar]

Huh I guess I completely forgot about that

[unborn lotus]

Yes, even if you just google image search Gandalf you'll find plenty of pictures of him with a sword

[lavish flame]

isnt it Minas Tirith

[unborn lotus]

You don't even need to specify his sword he has it a lot

[timber turtle]

Gandalf barely even casting shit

[naive cedar]

Oh yeah I vaguely remember that now

I should rewatch the movies

[timber turtle]

He ults couple times per movie

[naive cedar]

Wizards in LOTR don’t use magic that much compared to every other fantasy media honestly

[unborn lotus]

Gandalf is actually an Aasimar Fighter rather than a wizard 😝

[timid current]

gandalf doesn't just have a sword, he's got a magic sword, Glamdring

[halcyon forum]

Aasimar Valor bard imo

[dark basin]

Guys, guys. Gandalf is DM PC.

[naive cedar]

wizards in lotr are basically aasimar

[unborn lotus]

Too much magic

[naive cedar]

He’s a mage/fighter multiclass but like the old ones that could both be level 20

[timid current]

or, hear me out - he's an NPC that doesn't have class levels

[naive cedar]

Maybe he’s a homebrew wizard

[unborn lotus]

He only ever does healing Hands, necrotic shroud and light bearer

[potent vector]

Eldritch knight 20 but with the new past 20 rules that let you get infinite feats

[dark basin]

We know he has heat metal.

[timid current]

maiar are also not aasimar. they're considerably more potent.

[unborn lotus]

That's already the post 20 rules

His campaign has been going for a long time

[halcyon forum]

thats a boring conversation ender though. trying to make a build that gets as close as possible is fun

[naive cedar]

Fr I love making builds based on NPCs

[potent vector]

That one system for sidekicks fascinated me

[timber turtle]

Can you polymorph a villain into a mutating flesh sack with their brain and consciousness intact there regenerating every torture they receive?

[potent vector]

Builds for those would be hilarious

[halcyon forum]

MY take why valor bard:

can do fightery stuff and strong magic, but prefers to mostly support his allies. good at most things. charming.

[potent vector]

I don't think you would be able to unless your character had already seen one, because then it's meta gaming.

Or am I thinking Druid?

[dark basin]

Gandalf has said he knows over 200 spells just for opening doors.

[timber turtle]

So you have to go to the under dark as a side guest and have a torture mage teach you?

[dark basin]

You can't use polymorph for your specific request because it alters mental ability scores.

[hushed flower]

Ayo I just joined I wanna play DND but my friends are in a different country can we play online anyway?

[potent vector]

THATS a druid thing, not here

[dark basin]

Yes. There are many tools for online play with the most popular being Roll20.

[potent vector]

Anyway, theoretically then, but also, Polymorph only lasts an hour

[hushed flower]

Oh thank you kind sir

[mortal tinsel]

polymorph only lets you turn things into a BEAST anyway... dont think "mutating flesh bag" is there

[dark basin]

What do you mean a druid thing? I'm talking about polymorph and polymorph specifically mentions "The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast."

[mortal tinsel]

referencing the limitation of only being able to change shape to something they have seen

[timber turtle]

So is petrification the go to then? You freeze them in really bad moment

[dark basin]

I see, thanks for clearing that up. I was confused because my original message made no mention of that either.

[potent vector]

Ig, but while petrified it's unaware of its surroundings

[potent vector]

True Polymorph

I think they mean

This would prob be a monstrosity

For obvious reasons

[mortal tinsel]

possibly

[empty thicket]

It is ethical ragebait one player using stuns on him specifically for 3 rounds?

[oblique garnet]

Is Sentinel, Crusher, Shield bash, Heavy armor master good feats for a tank paladin

If yes which of these feats should i pick first
if no which of these feats should i replace

[marble lion]

No

Though if you all are fine with doing this to each other no problem

[glass granite]

Yes, Sentinel good

[empty thicket]

i think they have already heavy armor proficiency

no wait, training, nvm

[empty thicket]

if we are all good then yeah, obviously i will. In a non serious moment

[glass granite]

I'd replace some of the later feats for ASI's personally, to bump up cha for aura of protection, but to each their own

[hushed flower]

Excuse me sirs can someone explain to me how to use roll20 I want to play with my friend who's in a different country we don't have a dm

[oblique garnet]

so Sentinel first?
and are the other ones good to pick on other lvls or should i replace them?

[oblique garnet]

yeah 😅

[glass granite]

They're not bad, but don't forget to maintain your stats. They matter

Also what subclass?

[empty thicket]

yeah, proficiency would help you in that, if you have access to one too, they tend to be giga expensive
Charger can be good for some Control of area and mobility too

[glass granite]

Tough is a very simple but nice origin feat if you can get it without going out of your way for it

[stiff rock]

Roll20 is a virtual substitute for a physical battlemap. It's a little difficult to explain how to use it in one discord message, but i can direct you toward YouTube tutorials for more help.

As for finding a DM, you can ask your friends or have a look in #find-a-game

[empty thicket]

Idk if Savage attacker would apply to Smite, it would guys?

[glass granite]

Iirc it doesn't

[stiff rock]

It's for weapon attacks so wouldnt apply to the smite part of it

[hushed flower]

Thank you kind sir I would be truly great if you do

[empty thicket]

meh, still good a second chance to that dice damage in the weapon so you can do a big burst damage faster

[hushed flower]

Ma'am*

[stiff rock]

If you just search "how to use roll20" on youtube you'll probably find what you need

[hushed flower]

Thank you I would do just that

[oblique garnet]

for now my char has
S-16 (+2)
D-12
Co-15 (+1)
I-10
W-10
Ch-16

and my origin feat is though

didnt pick a subclass yet, im still lvl 1
was thinking picking The ancient or Devotion at lvl 3

[empty thicket]

any idea of what kind of weapons you would like to mostly use?

[glass granite]

If you choose devotion you really want a lot of charisma

[plain lintel]

Is there a way for me to activate certain modifiers when certain conditions are met for a homebrew class in D&D beyond? Or do I have to write out the effects and speak with my DM about it.

[oblique garnet]

longsword or warhammer with shield
or just something + shield

[stiff rock]

Depends what weapon masteries you want, but longswords are pretty good

[glass granite]

Longsword doesn't work with crusher

[stiff rock]

Warhammer like nox said then I guess

What is crusher? A feat im guessing?

[empty thicket]

yep

[oblique garnet]

yeah only works for bludgeoning weapons

[empty thicket]

and sap for longsword that mean disadvantage on that creature in its next attack, okey okey

If maestry on it

[stiff rock]

Sap is probably one of the best masteries imo

[livid owl]

Cleave is also pretty good

[empty thicket]

yep, the whole weapon maestry is really good for any martial class, mostly fighter

[livid owl]

Still do damage even on a miss iirc

[oblique garnet]

if i go for longsword, which feat would be best in the place of crusher
@stiff rock

[empty thicket]

Slayer would be the equivalent to crusher for it
Sentinel would let you opportunity attacks

Shield master would let you receive less damage for spells too and you have the shield bash

[devout wolf]

I’ve finally begun the campaign where I’m playing as a bard for the first time ever

[brittle beacon]

I really underestimate how good sap is until I play my current tank fighter

[glass granite]

slasher?

[empty thicket]

"Slasher"
Copied and pasted. I guess the wiki im in now can sometimes make mistakes

[empty thicket]

Disadvantage and having more than 15 AC feel giga good

[brittle beacon]

worked great with the defense fighting style

can protect multiple allies at once

[stiff rock]

I am the wrong person to ask when it comes to feats lol, i'm more a DM than a player

[brittle beacon]

add tactical master to the list and you can do a lot

[stiff rock]

I've not been a player enough to know what feats are good

[jaunty wyvern]

All roads lead to Mobile

[empty thicket]

Na, tough better said, its too good having extra HP
Durable seem like a "second wind"

[hot reef]

Lucky is pretty good

[keen cave]

Can we all agree it sucks when so called “friends” try to sabotage your opportunities?

[jaunty wyvern]

If you take lucky you get a hidden -5 debuff to all your rolls thats just how it is

[keen cave]

they always say stuff like "I know your in there! Please fight it!" But they're clearly just upset that amulet of the blood god chose me and not them. it's not my fault it asked me to push them down a canyon either.

[vast sapphire]

What's your red flags in a D&D DM or group before and after you join in?

[oblique garnet]

ok thx

so this what i have for my lvl2 paladin

S-16 (+2)
D-12
Co-15 (+1)
I-10
W-10
Ch-16

Origin feat - Tough
Fighting style - Defensive

my char is a warforged, (+1AC)
is using a shield and longsword, and is wearing ringmail
in total he has 18AC

so at lvl 3 i will pick the ancient subclass (or Devotion subclass) , at lvl 4 i will pick sentinel as my first feat and at later lvls i will pick "Shield bash, Heavy armor master, Slacher/shield master, does that sound good?
@glass granite

[vast sapphire]

Oh is that a reference to that video?

[keen cave]

When your party forbids you from banging the dragon

Enough said

[glass granite]

Looks good to me

[oblique garnet]

ok, thx for helping me 🙏

[jaunty wyvern]

Has 5ER changed warforged much? I know Dhampir stayed relatively the same

[empty thicket]

oh true you can get a fighting style

[fossil hollow]

Theyre Constructs now

[vast sapphire]

In his human form right?... right?

[keen cave]

Certain prices are worth paying.

[empty thicket]

im loving duelist for fighting style, that +2 damage to attacks feel giga good

[oblique garnet]

oh mb, should have mentioned it is 2024 rules
is there something off. im still new, did i use a 2014 ruling? 😅

[empty thicket]

no no, the mistake is mine, dont worry

i forgot they get a fighting style, still seeing that you can get duelist or defensive and both are good for the weapon//shield idea

Unless you considerate interception or protection too

[keen cave]

I’m not saying anything, but when I stabbed that innocent old man 63 times with a wooden stake, he died

[empty thicket]

i used for one session dagger // club in dual wielding and god... the idea was good, the numbers not so much
Stil dealing like 18 damage per round if i land everything but the damage i could get is higher

[empty thicket]

Yeah, natural causes obviously.
If someone get stabbed 63 times and dont die i would be concerned

[oblique garnet]

oh, im still confused about this i get conflicting answers from videos
some videos say im a construct and some say im not (because i have soul/ im sentient)

[keen cave]

Nah he was definitely a vampire.

[fossil hollow]

Creature type =/= has a soul or not

[stark tundra]

I mean you do know that if your not a vampire stakes can't kill you

[fossil hollow]

But the change to construct is a recent update

[jaunty wyvern]

Yea ghosts are undead but are quite literally just a soul

[empty thicket]

Okey, first of all.
What dont die if you stab its heart with a stake?
Second, what a shame that garlic dont work on DnD vampires

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah i was also thinking about interception/protection
which of these 4 is the best
duelist, defense, interception or protection

[fossil hollow]

garlic isnt always assumed to be part of most settings

[jaunty wyvern]

Strahd would've loved red lobster garlic biscuits

[oblique garnet]

oh

[empty thicket]

yeah, lets say that you arent using a greatsword for justify great weapon
Bows or crossbows
Stuff to throw like daggers, javelins or spears and you wont do this enough times to justify it
Unarmed....

[empty thicket]

Meh, i would say maintain the vegies and fruits teh same.
add some if you want but maintain the base so there is not so much problem

[dark basin]

Duelist and defense are the best of these four.

[fossil hollow]

that doesnt make what i said not still true...

[empty thicket]

oh no, i wont deny it. But meh, unless teh DM specifically tell you that the vegies and fruits are changed. Most of time they stay the same
Less hassle

Wont deny that the idea of some "fantasy" fruits isnt appealing.
But i like my figs

[fossil hollow]

i definitely would not survive without my spices

[keen kestrel]

Duelist if you want to do damage, if you’re not intending to one hand a weapon and use a shield, defense is very good

[oblique garnet]

ok, thank you all for the help 🙏

[keen kestrel]

Like, if you’re intending to do 2h weapons, I think defense is better overall than great weapon fighting

[empty thicket]

almost same, i remember seeing one book full of homebrew balanced foods//spices//drinks and god i want to get it

[keen kestrel]

It’s hard to find permanent boosts to ac separate from armor

[glass granite]

Remember: dying is suboptimal and every chest is a mimic.
Have fun!

[keen kestrel]

Nah, the house is a mimic

[empty thicket]

Na, my wife is a mimic.
We love each other a lot

[dark basin]

And the party is full of doppelgangers!

[jaunty wyvern]

I think mimics would be the first monster to ever be domesticated by the thinking races.

[oblique garnet]

thx will do 😄

[empty thicket]

The party is a:
A warlock that is acting like a cleric (he doesnt know his god is a dark deity)
A fighter htat is made of mimics (they love going to adventures and eat new stuff)
A Ranger that isnt 3 goblins under a leather armor (classic one)
And Finally a kobold that is a sorcerer who think is a dragon (no one have the guts to tell him he isnt a dragon)

[vast sapphire]

That's a combo

[warm summit]

Idk I think between the isn't always and the most fantasy settings you're not saying much here. Yeah there's probably settings without garlic but the majority of them have it to the point where it's a safe assumption, multiple editions even have a price listed in the PHB

[woven flint]

That party sounds exhausting /joking

[empty thicket]

yep, if the ranger die they will come back but interchanging the positions. They can do it 3 times

[dark basin]

The only garlic I know of is the tongue of an alligator gar. Thank you fantasy settings!

[hot marlin]

Damn. If my players made a party like that, I would just make sure they'd all die.

[vast sapphire]

Is the warlock the dad?

[keen kestrel]

No fun in life

[hot marlin]

Session 1. Just, like... Session 1 starts, you all caught dysentery, you're dead. Make new characters

[empty thicket]

"Guys, first session and you all are lvl 1. Fight Tiammat"

[empty thicket]

what?

TPK speedrun bro..🥀

Session 0, you all are going to die.

[vast sapphire]

I mean is he the one keeping them manageable?

[empty thicket]

Not even dark souls was that hard

[vast sapphire]

The responsible one

[empty thicket]

to what? the whole party?

[vast sapphire]

Yes

[keen kestrel]

Seems manageable to me

[empty thicket]

At that point, they would be all adopted from the same family, an orc lady and a dwarf that have a bakery

Why not?

[vast sapphire]

That seems chaotic... I love it

[empty thicket]

Yeah, at that moment, would be just the most silly adventures possibles

[brave niche]

I ran my first ever D&D session tonight with 2 of my players which has now become part of how they met each other. There's been life issues with the other players at the minute and instead of delaying further, I decided to reward them with only gold and some items as part of this mini-adventure I wrote last night.

It went realllly well! I designed a one shot that places them in a district that clings onto the City of Sharn from Eberron, and they're waiting in line to send their own parcels (this was a great way for me to get them to try and improvise when asked about what they're sending and who to)

Then the Parcel Master asked them to send 5 parcels, each in a different zone of the district (Rich Area, Skyship Docks, Slums, Bustling Market etc) and with each area I designed a specific type of encounter that will allow us to understand how the game works, if they prefer combat over puzzles, how to improvise in situations.

I love it! They managed to give the parcel to a flamboyant Warforged named Canvas, who refused to accept it and will actually complain to the Parcel Master unless the party handles Giant Rats, to which the party didnt know giant centipedes would burst out and attack both them and the Rats. The Fighter one shot the Centipede (I need to adjust this) and the Druid talked the Rats into peacefully moving out.

At the Docks, the Druid managed to successfully complete the puzzle to operate a crane whilst the Fighter held on to the chain from the crane in hopes to moving him onto a Floating Skyship as the Captain was drunk asleep (he was another recipient for a parcel). I improvised that he was sleeping butt neked faced down in his quarters, so the Fighter threw the parcel at him and left 😄

The party members are both Married IRL too so it was a funny dynamic.

[vast sapphire]

Just add an average human Joe who's the only normal one and see him get tortured by all their shenanigans

[lament sapphire]

Gotta have the straight man

[empty thicket]

the Most normal guy being a druid that live in the forest and the parents of those kids promised him their best and giga exclusive pie.
To the point he accept and almost get killed lots of times but being totally worth it for that pie

[vast sapphire]

That seems wonderful 🥺 the others missed out

[brave niche]

Ah, it was perfect to be honest! I'm not good at group speaking, so this is putting me out there comfort wise, but I love them both and I've always created stories/adventures when playing Modded Minecraft. This just seems like the natural step.

[vast sapphire]

No one is normal in your universe 😭

[empty thicket]

That is teh worst part, he is the most normal of all them.
The pie is that good and rare.

Special recipe that in the bakery is loved by everyone. I can even add that one of the most biggest clients they have is a dragon that come in human shape and buy a piece of it every time there is some available

[glossy otter]

Well, I now make the attempt to start a dnd group in my college, wish me luck fam

[glass granite]

helll yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

[brave niche]

Awesome Alaster!

[vast sapphire]

That seems wonderful

[glass granite]

I'd wish you luck but you'd just decrease your chances

[vast sapphire]

I love some low stakes adventures too

[dark basin]

Very glad to hear you had a great session!

[glossy otter]

tbh I'm not even sure if the dnd group there has official dms already or if they're going to be looking for some, I'm just hoping the latter

[vast sapphire]

That's basically the plot of isekai restaurant but with bakery

[glossy otter]

though it's been more innactive recently so who knows

[brave niche]

I did generate art using google gemini to help think of spaces etc

[vast sapphire]

And I eat that plot Everytime (pun intended)

[empty thicket]

Idk what is that but i might just add that idea to a campaign i can make

[vast sapphire]

Bad Google, bad (i'd rather use Chinese ones or just see what's on reddit) no hate I just don't like Google and Microsoft but that's off topic

[vast sapphire]

It's an anime where someone from our world restaurant is connected to a fantasy one where cooking is underdeveloped and two of his patrons are creator dragons who are basically the gods of that world

[brave niche]

oh that's okay! I needed to brainstorm ideas quickly as I had to write a 4-5hour oneshot over night 😄 google gemini is pretty clunk, but it generated some artwork that I could build from and create my own stories.

[keen kestrel]

Petition for WOTC to rename to sorcerers of the coast since they’re the cooler casters anyway

[empty thicket]

oh, i was thinking in more like a dragon that liked it, maybe some ancient, maybe not, just for the bit.

[halcyon igloo]

Here I is. I grabbed a Halfling Rogue premade just to join

[brave niche]

question: in terms of Puzzles, what do you guy's love/hate? I had a puzzle which was essentially, you gotta press 3 colored crystals in the order depending on the riddle.

[halcyon igloo]

I fookin hate puzzles. I solve them all with a hammer

But I suspect my character feels differently

[keen kestrel]

Not the hammer

[vast sapphire]

Maybe make it that he has passive magic or something (basically he perfected his craft so well he transcended)

[halcyon igloo]

Is there a server for audio..?

[empty thicket]

Na, the dragon would try to hide himself because his own pride cant admit he love a commoners meal

[dark basin]

Dragons only eat gold.

[idle oar]

We do not have voice chat channels on our server.

[halcyon igloo]

Fart

[idle oar]

You could potentially see if any servers being advertised in #looking-for-community have voice chat

[halcyon igloo]

The word and the sound

[regal socket]

hi everyone ^^

[vast sapphire]

What a coward, a real dragon won't hide his desire

[small heath]

Hypothetically, how would a conversation between a Druid and a Sorcerer go if they're trying to one-up each other in magic?

[bronze wave]

Sorcerer is gonna win lol

One has the greatest spell ever made and the other doesn’t

[small heath]

"Look, I can turn into all of these animals!"

"Cool, I can summon a dragon at will. Go next."

[bronze wave]

I wasn’t even thinking true poly, it’s just wish

It can affect gods and shit so

[small heath]

That is true.

I have always imagined sorcerers being cocky individuals and full of it

[bronze wave]

They are the few things to have inherent magic so

[potent vector]

Paladins have it too, you don't see them all cocky lol. Well, not most of them (looking at a certain sport triathlete subclass . . .)

[bronze wave]

Paladins have magic due to their oath

[potent vector]

. . . And who made that oath?

[keen kestrel]

Oh, you got your magic from nature? That’s cool, but how about being a nepo baby instead

[bronze wave]

The Paladin but it follows strict adherence and often also comes from a greater deity

[keen kestrel]

All the good perks, and we get a/c

[bronze wave]

A sorceries is the only true inherent, they don’t rely on anything else besides being a Nepo baby

But also paladins are the best class in the game so it’s hard to compete

[rugged hawk]

Sooooo.... Water Walking. Let's talk it. Because I can see this going several ways: surfboarding with no board in a killer wave and looking totally cool til some deep sea monster emerges from below and CONSUMES you, and/or getting absolutely pummeled by waves and having to make constant Balance/Athletic checks, and/or the waves knock you over and you keep having to resurface to try and get your footing again.

[keen kestrel]

My hearts says yes, my mind says no 😭

[marble lion]

Whats the question

[potent vector]

The logic I follow with Paladin's magic origin the same as Power Word spells, where they just embody and enact an Oath completely.

[bronze wave]

That’s on you

[keen kestrel]

Look now, I’m a big pally fan, but we can also choose to accept reality too

[rugged hawk]

The question is how Water Walking would actually work out on the open sea, with major waves

Like, boat-consuming waves

[marble lion]

The sea monster has nothing to do with that. Best focus on waves yes

[bronze wave]

Could you walk through a wall coming at you at 20 miles per hour

[marble lion]

It would probably be dm discretion difficult terrain all the way to impossible skill checks

[bronze wave]

You’d hit the wave and go to the top

Bc if your in water with water walk you jsut go to the top

[brave niche]

yknow how people go on those funky houses in the Fairground and there's that wobbly floor part and they just faceplant because they literally can't stand up 😄

[marble lion]

Cant you still submerge if you want to?

[rugged hawk]

I mean, that's another good one, yeah. Like, if you're Water Walking, water is treated as a 'harmless solid surface', but then a GIGANTIC WAVE crashes on you. Do you just.... float to the top harmlessly? Do you get flattened by what your magic is treating as a 'solid object'?

Is it selective, maybe, so that you can submerge / stand as you please to avoid these issues?

[brave niche]

The Players Handbook just reminds me of when I used to read Policy Wordings when I worked in Insurance. If there are no specifications or word definitions that outline X can/can't happen = the DM can make that call 😉

[marble lion]

If it says harmless, to me that means the magic magically absorbs shock

Like a magic bulletshield would make the impact of bullets magically harmless

[rugged hawk]

Free Feather Fall as long as you land on a liquid

[marble lion]

Hmmmmm true

[rugged hawk]

Just carry a Bottomless Jug and pour some out as you fall

[marble lion]

Honestly what a weird wording

"Harmless surface"

Does that just mean it wont pull a knife on you or does it literally mean damageproof

Because if 2nd, then its minecraft featherfall time

[bronze wave]

I didn’t say harmless

[rugged hawk]

....wear Water Elementals on your feet, no fall damage

[bronze wave]

I just said you float to the top

[brave niche]

so.....walk on water. Is it just the water surface, or could you swim down 20ft, then select that current plane as your floor and be able to walk along?

[marble lion]

I thought they were quoting book

[marble lion]

Id definitely say surface or bust

[bronze wave]

I don’t think the book mentions water being harmless to you just you’d float to the top

[fossil hollow]

needs a bucket

[brave niche]

gotchya!

[bronze wave]

It’s the surface, you’d float back to the top

[manic ember]

XD

[marble lion]

24 book says harmless solid ground, quote

[brave niche]

Walking on water - Could you walk on a Cloud? I need to think of these dumb questions now before my players start lmao

[bronze wave]

I view that at it saying the walking part is harmless but you can drown in water

[rugged hawk]

Follow-up question: when Water Walking, would it even be possible to even dive into the water?

[fossil hollow]

Is a cloud a liquid surface?

[lofty horizon]

Has anyone run any WOTC Modules without a DM. I have a friend and I trying to play without a DM (i DM enough lol and we want to run an adventure "together") I have a lot of the modules and mainly running an adventure with limited social but more exploration and combat

[rugged hawk]

Clouds are a gaseous surface, not liquid.

[small heath]

You see, I got daddy's magic and thus I am far more superior!

[brave niche]

.....true true.

[fossil hollow]

spells do as they say they do

[marble lion]

Yes its defined

Google it
It specifies this

BA to swap and falling will always result in diving

[fossil hollow]

what

[marble lion]

Bonus action to transit from walk to dive
And falling will ignore waterwalking

[fossil hollow]

where are you getting that

[small heath]

@bronze wave This is actually kind of funny because in my main campaign I'm in, my character (a kobold draconic sorcerer) and our minotaur paladin: oath of glory, are basically having almost daily arguments because they worship opposite deities lol

[fossil hollow]

Water Walk doesnt have a BA in it at all

[marble lion]

Thats the first time this website lets me down

[rugged hawk]

24 Water Walk:

This spell grants the ability to move across any liquid surface—such as water, acid, mud, snow, quicksand, or lava—as if it were harmless solid ground (creatures crossing molten lava can still take damage from the heat). Up to ten willing creatures of your choice within range gain this ability for the duration.

An affected target must take a Bonus Action to pass from the liquid’s surface into the liquid itself and vice versa, but if the target falls into the liquid, the target passes through the surface into the liquid below.

[marble lion]

It doesnt mention this elsewhere

I dont know if they made it up or of its from an add-on rule

[rugged hawk]

No, you had it right. LEGACY Water Walk has no BA, but it's added to 24

[jovial shadow]

No, but snow apparently is.

[rugged hawk]

However, the 24 Water Walk is missing this bit:

If you target a creature submerged in a liquid, the spell carries the target to the surface of the liquid at a rate of 60 feet per round.

[fossil hollow]

ooh i didnt realize it was updated to have that

[bronze wave]

Well meta wise any full caster is the best classes but I just like paladins

[small heath]

Fair. I just thought this convo got funnier on my end since I can relate to the context a lot 😂

[marble lion]

Fighter is better than any caster class

[rugged hawk]

Actually, it's a good thing they removed that bit from 24 WW or you could just kill anything with the bends from ascending that rapidly.

[small heath]

But hey, at least the minotaur has yet to punt my smoll kobold away out of anger!

[marble lion]

Not a physics sim

[fossil hollow]

reminder that dnd doesnt run full physics simulation

[marble lion]

Newspaper yourself

[fossil hollow]

a super react for taht 😭

[marble lion]

Ok at least newspaper neverend too since they said the same thing

And have made a minor spelling error

[fossil hollow]

welp, back to putting the statblocks i made into homebrewery from my notebook

[rugged hawk]

"An affected target must take a Bonus Action to pass from the liquid’s surface into the liquid itself and vice versa, but if the target falls into the liquid, the target passes through the surface into the liquid below."

So, if you fall unconscious into a body of water, you are unable to come back to the surface because it requires a Bonus Action, which you can't take because you're unconscious. Falling into any body of water while unable to take a BA guarantees that you drown.

[fossil hollow]

damn

[marble lion]

Does waterwalk last while unconscious though?

[fossil hollow]

doesnt say it ends, so yeah

[marble lion]

Interesting interaction then

[dark basin]

Waterwalk is very situational compared to it's younger brother, landswim.

[fossil hollow]

Meld into Stone?

[dark basin]

No, I was making a joke.

[stark tundra]

Ok senior pink

[bronze wave]

Senor pink

[dark basin]

?

[bronze wave]

Kinda a loser but still

[delicate owl]

Senor Pink is a character from One PIece who had the ability to swim through the ground

[stark tundra]

He was hard boiled

Fought the 4th strongest strawhat

[vale seal]

Does anyone know where I can get some notebooks for cheap because I got an idea to make a themed notebook for every class but I can't find any

[unborn lotus]

He's so hard-boiled

[umbral girder]

Like that video game Land Sharks

[unborn lotus]

D&D has Bulettes

[umbral girder]

Tbh I was talking a Ninja Turtles Knock off but those count too.

[unborn lotus]

And more recently bulette pups 😍

[marble lion]

Jeff!

[potent vector]

I feel the same way abt Bullete pup I do Abt Jeff. And you don't wanna hear what I feel Abt Jeff. . .

[small heath]

My dad is failing all of his persuasion checks against my mother right now by lying about his blood pressure. (Hes type 2 diabetic and his work sent him home because of it and they contacted her about it)

Gotta love it.

[marble lion]

Oh youre one of those people

[potent vector]

Vro is a war criminal, you CANNOT deny it lmao

[marble lion]

Youre right i dont wanna hear about it

[naive cedar]

i love jeff

[dark basin]

Agreed! Shark is a flavor you can't get elsewhere.

[unborn lotus]

This might belong in #non-dnd-topics

[naive cedar]

bro what is with all the people making jokes about eating sharks is eating sharks a common thing and nobody told me

[dark basin]

Shark-fin soup is a very common delicacy in Asia and other various countries, however it is often unethically sourced.

[idle oar]

Let's nudge things back to D&D please

[potent vector]

This getting off topic lol

[naive cedar]

anyways bulette pups are also cute im sure

[potent vector]

Hey, so, do y'all actually get to use Heroic inspiration? Like, the fact that it now replaces any roll has a surprising amount of utility

Or does it not get given out often enough at your tables?

[limber trail]

I give out inspiration at least once a session. (Although, to be clear, it doesn't replace any roll, it only works on d20 tests [attacks/saves/checks])

[rough basalt]

My only PC atm is a human so I get to use one

[delicate owl]

It does replace any roll in 2024

If you (a player character) have Heroic Inspiration, you can expend it to reroll any die immediately after rolling it, and you must use the new roll.

If you gain Heroic Inspiration but already have it, it’s lost unless you give it to a player character who lacks it.

[bronze wave]

I give it once at the end of sessions and have the players vote who gets it

And I sometimes give it for rlly good rp or gameplay

[potent vector]

It's all rolls in 2024e

[hidden spindle]

There's Inspiration.

Then there's Heroic Inspiration.

[jovial shadow]

HEROIC INSPIRATION
If you (a player character) have Heroic Inspiration,
you can expend it to reroll any die immediately after
rolling it, and you must use the new roll

[delicate owl]

Most people refer to Heroic Inspiration as Inspiration

[limber trail]

oh wait I had it the wrong way around

Maybe it worked that way in 2014

My bad gang

[jovial shadow]

One of the other good things about being Human

[hidden spindle]

I want to play a Human Wild Magic Sorcerer with Heroic Inspiration. One day maybe

[potent vector]

Better yet, get a Champion to feed you it every turn by overcapping themselves

(yes this is pretty late but it's fun to imagine okay)

[limber trail]

Unfortunately a champion fighter only gets inspiration if they start their turn without it

[hidden spindle]

Once per Long Rest early game is plenty for me. Wasn't there a feat that grants you one if another uses theirs? Mix that with Musician~

[stark tundra]

What about crab people

[limber trail]

"During combat, you can give yourself Heroic Inspiration whenever you start your turn without it."

[delicate owl]

Heroic Inspiration with Advantage or Disadvantage is interesting

Because you MUST take the rerolled die regardless.

[hidden spindle]

When you have Advantage or Disadvantage with Rerolls, its not that you must take the reroll.

The rerolled result is still between one of two to apply advantage or Disadvantage on.

[fickle heart]

They actually have a specific thing called out for Adv/Dis, just a bit hidden.

Interactions with Rerolls

When you have Advantage or Disadvantage and something in the game lets you reroll or replace the d20, you can reroll or replace only one die, not both. You choose which one.

For example, if you have Heroic Inspiration (see the sidebar) and roll a 3 and an 18 on an ability check that has Advantage or Disadvantage, you could expend your Heroic Inspiration to reroll one of those dice, not both of them.

[hidden spindle]

If you rolled a (1 & 2) with Advantage.
Rerolled 1 --> 19. It becomes (19 & 2)
Result: 19.

[delicate owl]

Ah yes, the rule that changes the rule when you apply the rule

[jovial shadow]

Yup. Specific > General

[hidden spindle]

Or if you rolled (11 & 16) with Advantage.
Rerolled 11 --> 3. It becomes (3 & 16)
Result: 16.

[delicate owl]

So uh, why does this look ike it was pulled from a pdf? Jw.

[marble lion]

Just reroll the worse one

With adv, that means it can only get better or equal since your other die stays the same

With disadv, it means you have a chance to roll better and be less low

Disclaimer: not worth if both rolls are low since even one fixed would just result in the other liw roll being used ofc

[hidden spindle]

Rerolling Disadvantage is risky.

[jovial shadow]

Not really. The percentage of getting your result stays the same with the die

Your average is still 10.5 no matter what

[lavish flame]

whenever I copy+paste from a WOTC pdf (like the Unearthed Arcanas), usually the spacing on each letter is messed up. I think this was copy+pasted from DnDBeyond

[delicate owl]

I copied and pasted it from ddb when I sent the same thing earlier

[timid current]

if you'd like to confirm for yourself; https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#HeroicInspiration

[delicate owl]

It doesn't look anythig like that

[timid current]

who cares?

it shows up in a bunch of the UA pdfs too

[fossil hollow]

...

[timid current]

and it's part of the SRD, which, itself, is avialable in pdf

[idle oar]

Copying stuff can do weird things to formatting

And yes the SRD is available in PDF format

[timid current]

here you go

https://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/SRD-OGL_V5.1.pdf

hope that helps

lmao did I link the old one

I sure did haha

[idle oar]

The SRD is the free materials provided for folks to create D&D compatible products/resources based off of official D&D rules. And there's 2 versions - 5.1 is the 2014 materials and 5.2 is the 2024 materials.

[timid current]

here, I need to update my links
https://www.dndbeyond.com/srd?srsltid=AfmBOooZAhwEOZRLJpF-qFWUlJKOUGkkmdbJHSsFZvL-fZk3m2sf-Yet

if someone was copy/pasting non SRD stuff then maybe you could alert mods to it using the alert mods app, but certainly casting public aspersions is not the way

[delicate owl]

Right, well start with that first, because if I see someone immediately using something that was obviously copied from a pdf, I get immediately concerned.

The "Heroic Inspiration" isn't capitalized though, and that's also suspicious, but right, dropped.

[timid current]

if you're concerned you should alert a mod rather than try to imply anything in public

[delicate owl]

Right, anyways

[timid current]

it's SRD material, it's free to use. you can even make your own pdf that contains it so long as you include the appropriate information

[delicate owl]

How is everyone doing?

[hidden spindle]

...If you throw a Melee weapon, it's DEX. Unless its a Thrown Melee weapon, it's STR...

[fossil hollow]

I dont recall improvised weapons using DEX

[remote wadi]

Well, I went to their DMs and explained/apologized for my actions. Whether it will actually change anything, we will have to see

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, throwing a non-Thrown weapon turns it into a Improvised Weapon

[jovial shadow]

Or Finesse then it could be either one

[delicate owl]

Yeah, Improvised Weapons are not Finesse, so you would need to use Strength when throwing a weapon without the Thrown property

[hidden spindle]

But if it's Finesse but without Thrown property, it defaults to DEX

[fossil hollow]

where are you getting this

throwing a weapon doesnt make it a ranged weapon

[hidden spindle]

Its because when you make Ranged attacks, it uses DEX.

When you make Melee attacks, it uses STR

[fossil hollow]

yes. And if you throw something that doesnt have the thrown property, it becomes and Improvised weapon

[hidden spindle]

And defaults to DEX

[fossil hollow]

An improvised weapon is an object wielded as a makeshift weapon, such as broken glass, a table leg, or a frying pan. A Simple or Martial weapon also counts as an improvised weapon if it’s wielded in a way contrary to its design;** if you use a Ranged weapon to make a melee attack or throw a Melee weapon that lacks the Thrown property, the weapon counts as an improvised weapon.** An improvised weapon follows the rules below.

Oooh ic what you mean now

reading this over hurts my brain, why does it do that

[delicate owl]

A ranged weapon doesn't keep the ranged property when you use it as an Improvised Weapon. It is no longer an attack with that weapon anymore. THat's like saying it keeps its mastery properties

[keen cave]

My brothers in helm, If you see me outside the tavern getting yelled at and hit by a tiefling or drow maiden, don’t save me. I am exactly where I want to be.

[rugged hawk]

No, you can't have them to yourself.

[keen kestrel]

If you see ME getting heckled by a enby couple of any grouping, don’t help me, I’m exactly where I need to be

[remote wadi]

If you see me having any semblance of luck, call the guards. Something is terribly wrong here

[jovial shadow]

I thought that it would keep the mastery properties, because there's a part in the IW rule that says the DM can treat the weapon as it's appropriate weapon type. Example it uses the table leg as a club. I figured it could use "Slow" from it's weapon mastery properties. I mean it doesn't say specifically you can't anywhere. shrug

[fickle heart]

I think the most logically consistent thing with Improvised Weapons and the like is the concept of "the default stays", which is basically the same logic behind Specific > General.

E.g. If there is something that is generally true and nothing specifically contradicts it, that generally true statement is still true.

Doesn't mean it's intended, but that it avoids inconsistencies that arise when those considerations are made case-by-case.

[delicate owl]

I don't see why the improvised weapon would keep the other properties of the weapon at all, but okay I suppose

[fickle heart]

I think the more pressing question is: "What says it loses properties?"

If we view things from the perspective of "how they were" to "what they are now", the idea is that we'd need to be told that something that was is no longer.

[limber trail]

this is giving me a headache trying to figure this out

[delicate owl]

Is an Improvised Weapon a Longbow?

[bleak kraken]

Would you say that a block of steel, heavy on one end, treated as a maul, would lose all of its properties including heavy? Because if you were to give it an entirely new set of properties, you would then just be creating a new weapon.

[fickle heart]

Not necessarily, but a Longbow can be an Improvised Weapon.

[limber trail]

If we're treating a weapon as a maul then it's a maul with the heavy property.

[timid current]

*if

you'll want to confirm anything like that with your DM.

[bleak kraken]

Then it would just be a maul, no?

[limber trail]

Well yeah it would be

[trail ore]

Yo ive never dmed before and i hwve a campaign but idk how to organize it, can someone send me a pic of what DM notes are supposed to look like just as a refrenc

[delicate owl]

It doesn't say it gains or loses any properties, so sounds like dm fiat to me

[bleak kraken]

...right, I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to say.

[limber trail]

But more to my point, if we're removing the heavy property, then it's not a maul, and it becomes just another improvised weapon

[bleak kraken]

...which is exactly my point, yes.

[limber trail]

Yeah I don't ngl

Oh right I see now

[fickle heart]

What I'm getting at is that using a conclusion to justify a premise, despite seemingly resulting in a more coherent conclusion, makes the premise less coherent because it therefore seemingly relies on evidence that it can't provide.

[uncut zenith]

The goal in that scenario would be for it to act as a maul, so it’s either mechanically a maul that visually looks like a block of steel, or it’s an improvised weapon.

[timid current]

as far as I can tell "improvised weapon" is a seperate entity from whatever weapon it is you're using improperly

[delicate owl]

I think the rules of the Improvised Weapon is set, and that once something counts as it, it uses only those rules. That is how I am looking at it.

[timid current]

instead of being the weapon, it counts as an improvised weapon. which is 1d4 damage, no proficiency bonus, 20/60 range