dnd-discussion

[severe rampart]

I mean, they killed his sheep

[hot marlin]

Odysseus expects to find hospitality among the cyclops and, from what he describes of them, he seems to have knowledge of them.

[abstract beacon]

2014 war or 2024 war?

[severe rampart]

An eye for an eye

[woven flint]

My pfp is actually my old Tabaxi Grave Cleric

[woven flint]

2024

[hot marlin]

The worst said about them is that they "have no assemblies for council, nor appointed laws, but each one rules his children and his wives and they do not concern themselves with one another"

[abstract beacon]

Cheers mate

[woven flint]

Cheers, friend

[hollow stone]

CD: Path To The Grave is a terrifying line of text to be reading at Level 3 (or is it 4?) i can't lie

[woven flint]

Sadly it only works on Attack Rolls, but it's still good

[hollow stone]

does it stack on Sneak Attack?

[woven flint]

Since sneak attack is applied on an attack roll, yes

[serene jolt]

Always yes. I've found a lot of fun with Life and War but Light has been enticing me recently.

[woven flint]

Knowledge Cleric is also fun if you like gathering information

[abstract beacon]

Is there any race that goes well with it or would dwarf work fine?

[woven flint]

Anything is good with a Cleric

But Dwarf is an excellent choice

[scarlet marsh]

It's BG3 but me and my friends are running an all cleric campaign called the Amen.

[unkempt roost]

I can't find anything that states the other Cyclopes didn't eat people

[woven flint]

Hello, lovely one :>

[serene jolt]

I don't think there's a wrong answer for species. Yeah.

[scarlet marsh]

Hiiii

[abstract beacon]

Alright it’s settled I’ll play war cleric dwarf, but can I pick a fighting style if I pick fighting initiate as a feat?

[hot marlin]

You're falling for a classic fallacy, you're trying to prove a negative.

[unkempt roost]

I'm pretty sure the story implied that because Polyphemus was confusing the other Cyclopes, they weren't able to stop Odysseus and the rest of the crew from escaping

[hot marlin]

Proving a negative is an impossibility. The burden of proof belongs to the positive claim

[serene jolt]

Yeah, at level 4, or you can 1 level dip into fighter.

[woven flint]

My first Cleric was a Tabaxi

My Second was a Drow

My Third was a Shifter

And
My Fourth is a Tortle lol

[unkempt roost]

It seemed deliberate that at the very least they would have killed them to help Polyphemus

But they were tricked

[scarlet marsh]

My current war cleric is a red dragonborn lady

[hot marlin]

I think you might need to re-read song 9

[lyric viper]

Miiight be getting off topic again folks. (As much I love discussing and learning about myths)

[abstract beacon]

Interesting

[woven flint]

My Knowledge Cleric is an old Tortle librarian named Artanza

[hollow stone]

okei sick, me and the cleric had a funny plan to Channel Divinity to make a target Vulnerable to Piercing damage, since that's the only damage type i can deal, we can set something up where the poor guy takes (2d4+3d6)2 damage in a single turn at Level 6, which is decently comical

[serene jolt]

My first was a homebrew species that did nothing for me. Still an amazing cleric. (Life)

Second is a beasthide shifter. She's my war cleric, lots of fun!

[woven flint]

My Twilight Cleric was a Shifter, he was a priest of Dol Arrah, one of the sovereign hosts
Her domains were: Light, Twilight, Family, War and Revenge lol

[keen kestrel]

My light cleric is a dusk half elf who became one to get away from his lovey dovey parents

[primal forum]

Is it fine for my players to already know who my npc is. Example, they're at a certain place and an npc comes rushing towards them yelling them about something. And I tell my players about this npc and that they already know who he is and they have a shared friendship

[woven flint]

He wanted to be a Soldier, but the prejudice against shifters in eberron made him a bit paranoid, so he often hid who he was.

He was only 10 years old when his home city, Cyre was destroyed

[abstract beacon]

What origin feat should I pick

[rain snow]

Spells, probably

[serene jolt]

That's super cool! My War Cleric is a Priestess of Morena, who is the Goddess of Protection, Home, and Hearth. And she's ironically normally a gentle, kindhearted cleric who fiercely and violently defends the innocent and her allies. None of the party knows she's a Shifter yet (it's an intense human-strong world). But when I eventually pop that can of worms, it will be a cool story thing.

[woven flint]

He was also separated from his brother, but one star always shines brighter than the rest for him, so he takes it as a sign from Dol Arrah that his younger brother is still alive

[scarlet marsh]

Her and Saulia (my dragonborn war cleric) sound pretty similar.

[serene jolt]

2024 Healer feat for my cleric has actually been really useful. Amazing healing between combat and your 1's in any of your healing spells are rerolled.

[woven flint]

He was a fun lad, absolutely decimated a vampire that murdered a little girl's father and mother.

[abstract beacon]

Uh huh

[serene jolt]

But also it depends on what you're focusing on. Tough is great for tanking/extra hp. Savage Attacker is fun for extra damage output. Healer feat is great for healing and sustainability of you and your party. Extra spells are great.

[woven flint]

Tabaxi Cleric was a Cleric of Kelemvor

War Cleric was a Cleric of Hoar, The Doombringer (another Deity of Revenge)

Knowledge Cleric loosely worships Oghma

Trickery Cleric was a Worshipper of Lolths son, Vhaeraun (who seeked to dethrone her)

And

My Twilight Cleric was a follower of Dol Arrah

[serene jolt]

Alert is great for the likelihood of going first and getting your prep before your party splits off in combat.

[woven flint]

I've played 5 Clerics...
Hmm..

[scarlet marsh]

Bandaid buddy

[woven flint]

I want to play a heavily armored Order Cleric of Helm one day
And a Life Cleric of the Weeping God, Ilmater

[unkempt roost]

I've read it and can't find any evidence supporting that they weren't. It would seem odd that they just stumbled into the cave of the one man eating Cyclops. If there is a verse that shows the other Cyclopes acting different that changes this please let me know

[serene jolt]

I love how your first cleric is called 'Tabaxi Cleric' and the others have subclasses. Lol.

[keen kestrel]

Clerics are cool, but they’re also quite strong

[woven flint]

In order:
Tabaxi
Tiefling
Tortle
Drow
Shifter
Lol sorry

[hollow stone]

being a cat takes precedent over your occupation, i guess

[scarlet marsh]

I love kitties

[serene jolt]

Lol same.

[woven flint]

Nah, he was just my favorite..
And is my pfp lol

Good ol Nokiin

He's an elderly fella

[serene jolt]

My tabaxi is a Ranger. Talked about her a lot in #character-discussion

I wanna try drawing her at some point. I'm not amazing at cats, more versed in dogs and reptiles. But the more you learn!

[woven flint]

I've played 4 Tabaxi
Nokiin (talked about to death)
Gentle Waves, a Fighter
Lockpick, A Rogue
And
Sumatra, a Monk

[fiery nimbus]

I just realised playing a summoner might have been a mistake

[scarlet marsh]

I did play a minotaur barbarian named Steakass one time. That was fun lol

[woven flint]

None of them acted like cats, they just were cholk fellows

[fiery nimbus]

at least im not a necromancer so i have only 3 character sheets of decent complexity instead of like 6 zombie statblocks

[serene jolt]

I played a tabaxi monk x blood Hunter and my tabaxi ranger. The blood Hunter was a mistake. I tried.

[woven flint]

I have a Minotaur Giant Barbarian named Mavros, he kicked ass

[serene jolt]

Yeah my current tabaxi doesn't act much like a cat other than casting Jump on her because she's a Snow Leopard.

[scarlet marsh]

Yay snep time

[serene jolt]

And I thought it'd be cool, funny, and also useful for extra movement.

[woven flint]

Majority of my characters are beast men
But there's a decent amount that aren't as well lol

I wonder why...

[scarlet marsh]

I have only ever played monsters/anthros for very self evident reasons

[serene jolt]

I'm a furry so most of my characters are furries too.

[latent quiver]

Yoo

[serene jolt]

I feel like this is a safe place given the profile pictures.

I also have a goo. Because... Who doesn't like Plasmoids?

[woven flint]

I'm not really a furry, least I don't consider myself one, I just don't like playing human so I'll play literally anything else, but have a proclivity for beast people

[serene jolt]

Honestly totally valid

[hollow stone]

that's fair, humans are layered with an unappealing taste of genericism in fantasy settings

[serene jolt]

I had one human... And he was also a werewolf (subclass stuff)

[scarlet marsh]

I'm a furry degen. Made up worldbuilding projects and constructed languages for my own internal setting before learning about TTRPGs and realized I could actually roleplay the things I make.

[serene jolt]

I've never had a character who is "just a guy" or "just a gal".

[hollow stone]

i had a human once and even then her species was pretty ambiguous to the party because Gloomstalker gave her Darkvision and she kept her face and other features covered (very edgy character)

[woven flint]

I have a Giff Pugilist sitting somewhere waiting to be played

I can't wait to play my bare-knuckle brawling, Gunslinging, space traveling, silly British Hippo man
His name is

Reginald Archibald Montigue Esquire

[serene jolt]

We love the edge

[hot marlin]

I've had a character who always kept his face and other features covered too!

[woven flint]

My Shifter Cleric kept his features covered as well.
He was afraid of being mobbed because Eberron.

[scarlet marsh]

Had a goth styled albino dragonborn warlock named Ariathi Akerbeltzen. Oozed edge but I made sure she was stylish about it.

[hot marlin]

He was from a nomadic desert people. It was basically a tagelmust or keffiyeh. And in his culture it was normal to keep it wrapped around the head.

[serene jolt]

Holy edge

[woven flint]

I don't make characters edgy typically lol

[hollow stone]

i've had two characters who do that, one is that ranger who was a fed, the other is a rogue who is on the run from the mob

[hot marlin]

And it was bright red. He always wore bright colours.

[scarlet marsh]

Black eyeliner, black lipstick, black hair, nose piercings galore.

[hot marlin]

Well... The original was red, when it got destroyed during an unfortunate fireball, he put on a blue one.

And he had a lot of piercings, but they were bright gold and decorated with indigo

[serene jolt]

My edgiest character was an orphan rogue harpy lady who sits in the rafters and steals things.

[scarlet marsh]

Funny enough, she pretended to be a bard before revealing she was a warlock by using eldritch blast

[woven flint]

My most Edgy character is my soon to be Centaur Barbarian, he was raised by tge Zhentarim and psychologically conditioned to feel nothing but pride and joy when taking a life (he also hears the sound of cheering when he does so in his twisted lil mind lol)

[hollow stone]

tbh i just generally lean toward edgier themes because the easiest way to explain why someone would intentionally do something as dangerous as adventuring is traumatic events and/or the inability to hash out their violent urges with a therapist

[woven flint]

Can't wait to do gladiatorial executions on Devils with him

[hot marlin]

When I play a published campaign I often try to make my characters a contrast to whatever I know about the main antagonist.

With curse of Strahd I played an elven monk from a noble family. Contrasted nicely with Strahd, he was young but unimpressed by Strahd's age, as multiple members of his family were older. He was also of noble lineage and took pride in it. And he disdained spellcasting while Strahd is a wizard

[dense hamlet]

Goated player

[hot marlin]

And of course, everyone knows that Strahd killed his brother, so my character had an old fashioned sense of value that saw kinslaying as the second worst thing anyone could possibly do

[woven flint]

My most evil character was my Dhampir Moon Druid, he was a follower of Malar (evil beast deity) and seeked to make civilization crumble so the beasts could rule Supreme

Didn't play him long because I ended up leaving the campaign.
But he had a few good kills, at least lol

[hot marlin]

So for Descent into Avernus... I know I'll be playing a wizard but I haven't decided anything else. I want the character to fit and contrast in that story

[woven flint]

I'm playing that Barbarian I mentioned, but I might change things up a little.
I know we'll be fighting Devils, which are Lawful Evil, so why not be the Chaotic Good "Good at any costs" type?

[dense hamlet]

I think that one is about temptation. Maybe a recovering alcoholic?

[hot marlin]

Could be a good start, yes!

[woven flint]

Be the one who wants to disrupt the Devils and zealously wishes to destroy them idk lol

I know it'd be hard for you, as a fiend and all...

[dense hamlet]

He’s the anti-villain fiend

[hot marlin]

I am still not a fiend

[dense hamlet]

I have no idea, i’m just running with Tokii. But you seem human based on your profile pic.

[hot marlin]

Buuut... I see three possibilities. The first is the "lawyer", a character adept at navigating contracts and finding loopholes in them.

A character just as lawful as the devils, capable of keeping pace with them at their game

[dense hamlet]

Interesting. Those would be interesting. You could also use archfey warlock for that.

[hot marlin]

The second is the anarchist, a character profundly chaotic and who looks at the nine hells as the worst thing in the multiverse and is profundly horrified by it.

[rugged hawk]

Obviously. You're an internet voice.

[hot marlin]

The third is the tempted, a character with a history of falling for temptations and addictions

[dense hamlet]

Details?

[woven flint]

That could also be fun

My character believes that hell is somewhat meant to be conquered, what with being a follower of Bane and all

[hot marlin]

Those are just personality archetypes, there are no details yet

[woven flint]

Man, if so many Devils weren't immune to fear, I'd play a Conquest paladin for it

[rugged hawk]

Nonsense, they're just immune to magical fear. You just need to break bones til the begging begins.

[woven flint]

Yeah, but the fear effect is the whole main shtick of Conquest paladin

[dense hamlet]

They are immune to the condition, not awareness of power gradients. So i guess. Also, lots of lost souls to cajole

[woven flint]

No, the point of it is that I don't want my subclass to be mechanically useless 💀

[dense hamlet]

Yes, but it won’t be just fear immune devils down there. You’ll get souls and npcs that can be affected

[severe rampart]

I am forever envious of people who can easily do accents, that expands your character so much

[woven flint]

Yeahhhh, I'd rather my subclass always be somewhat effective lol

[hot marlin]

So which of the three ideas is most interesting? Lawyer, anarchist or tempted?

[woven flint]

Anarchist in an orderly hell is more interesting imo

[rugged hawk]

Obviously all three. In a single Cartman

Also, as a lawyer, definitely gotta be a disciple of Gargauth.

[hot marlin]

... OK the three together can indeed result in an Eric Cartman

[dense hamlet]

ig

[errant bramble]

So, making a faerie character, and Lorwyn/Shadowmoor have me a bit confused. Are they in another plane of existence?

[severe rampart]

How does an anarchist lawyer work? They don't obey the law but they defend others when they're accused of disobeying the law?

[rugged hawk]

Gargauth is god of contracts and betrayal

[severe rampart]

Ah.

[hot marlin]

Now I do like to give my characters a further motivation... If it's an elf, could be that they're interested in the possibility of hunting down Malkizid, another fallen solar but who once served Corellon

[dense hamlet]

The anarchist seems weak to me. You would have to develop a structure to make it work. I’m not sure you could get the character to work so well. At least not without a framework or another trait to scaffold off of.

[woven flint]

That's why subclasses that focus on particular damages or effects is rather iffy for me lmao

[rugged hawk]

Henceforth, you shall wear these clown shoes. I am ALTERING the deal. Pray I do not ALTER it further.

[dense hamlet]

Yeah. That’s fair.

[rugged hawk]

Gargauth, previously the Lord of the Ninth Hell until all the rest of the Hells exiled him for being TOO EVIL. An incarnation of evil most rotten, Gargauth embodied the inevitable moral decay that followed both the victories won by evil means, and the selfish, greedy, and ambitious entities (both leaders and groups) that achieved them.

Basically, Gargauth is like if the Sith had a god.

[dense hamlet]

You could have an anarcho-lawyer who made a deal with devil, had it broken by the other party, and now needs to get to a high authority to get reparations

[remote wadi]

That's another nat 20 on the wisdom save

This scares me

[hot marlin]

Let's give all three a bit more details, shall we?
The lawyer: This elf was once part of the elven court, a scribe and keeper of the traditions often called to assist on trials of criminals. After seeking further education in wizardry, they plan on making a bid to become coronal (a title relatively equivalent to king but with further emphasis on lawgiving, legislature and military protection). Ambitious, driven and with a mastery of law.
The anarchist: Once a slave to... Let's say the Zhentarim, this one has come to see all laws and structures as means of control of the many by the few. Wizardry is the great equalizer, something all can learn and that empowers everyone. Devoted to the worship of Mystra as a great liberator, this one sees the harpers as far too moderate but as a good start. In time his ultimate ambition is to see the sword coast plunged in rebellion and all the lords, whether they be the masked ones in Waterdeep or the disdainful pirate-lords of Luskan beheaded.
The tempted: This one always had a problem with vice. Alcohol, women, men... Most of his youth was spent drowning in all three. One day he woke up, noticed how degraded his body was from his overindulgence and sought in wizardry a means to get new sensations that would not ruin him. The ultimate high, the ultimate pleasure, is the weave. He is still controlled by his desires, but he has learned that his ultimate desire, immortality as a chosen and the power of the weave, requires sacrificing the lesser wants.

[dense hamlet]

So a wizard?

[hot marlin]

Yeah no matter what I pick, I'm playing a wizard

[rugged hawk]

Prepared spell slots are all the suck

[hot marlin]

So which of the three is most interesting?

[dense hamlet]

I think the tempted. Lawyer traits might be nice tho

[abstract beacon]

Do clerics get weapon masteries ?

[molten pumice]

I like the weapon mastery properties, but as someone who really liked scimitars and making martials... nick kinda makes me feel like I'm being wasteful if I don't take a nick weapon and two weapon fighting... I recently realized I was more interested in protection that I was before. I don't know how much it changed for 2024, but I'm definitely more interested in it now that when I would see it befoe, could be a taste thing. Making a character who'd take dueling feels harder to justify though when getting multiple masteries and skipping nick and two weapon makes you lose out on way more than what dueling gives

[meager fractal]

certain clerics do

[abstract beacon]

War cleric?

[molten pumice]

I'll check, but I think protector Clerics get martial proficiency from what I've been looking at there's nothing in cleric that gives a mastery. I'll make sure though

[abstract beacon]

Protector gets martial weapon proficiency and heavy armour proficiency

[scenic zinc]

anyone can take the feat that gives a weapon mastery

[meager fractal]

ah yeah looks like none of them actually do. I could have sworn it was otherwise

[abstract beacon]

I’ll probably take it at lvl 4

Then

[molten pumice]

Yeah, the feat can give anyone a mastery and there are decent multiclasses (just made a ranger cleric for that protection fighting style i was talking about and they get masteries) but cleric by itself would need that feat

[scenic zinc]

nick + dual wielder is another path you can go without taking two weapon fighting style

[glass granite]

You technically can do dueling AND nick through a thrown weapon build iirc

[scenic zinc]

and that way you can take one nick weapon and another one handed weapon with a different mastery property

[abstract beacon]

I wanna play a war cleric since most other half casters seem off balanced to me and don’t seem that fun, I wanna swing weapons and cast magic whilst also being supportive

[rugged hawk]

That reminds me: what is the Nick property, anyway?

[scenic zinc]

like vex with a longsword

[glass granite]

It’s a weapon mastery that moves your bonus action attack from using a light weapon to your action, once per turn

[molten pumice]

Is it the general consensus that nick lets you make the light property attack as the first one of your turn?

[scenic zinc]

all it does is move the light weapon property extra attack that's usually a bonus action to being part of the attack action that you made with the weapon that has the nick weapon mastery

[molten pumice]

I was under the impression the main weapon still had to be light to trigger two weapon

[scenic zinc]

it frees up your bonus action for something else - in the case of dual wielder, that feat grants an additional bonus action you can then take that isn't the light weapon extra attack

so level 1, you can be doing 3 attacks in one turn

sorry, *level 4

because dual wielder is a level 4 feat

and level 5 you can have 4 attacks if you have the extra attack feature

[glass granite]

I was under the impression it had to be after

[molten pumice]

Yeah, war cleric is real good for that stuff based on what I've built. I'm moreso suggesting a dip into something else to put fighting styles and masteries on top, but if you just care about a specific mastery then that feat is a good bet

[scenic zinc]

order of operations, yeah, it kinda has to be

[glass granite]

Light property specifies the light attack is done after the first primary attack iirc, so yeah

[molten pumice]

Yeah, that's the problem I was having with new Dual Wielder too, cause using two weapons now relies on the main one being a light weapon, which turns my spear and sword guys into sword and spear guys, and forces their swords to be shortswords

[scenic zinc]

it'd be:

1. attack action with light weapon with nick
2. light weapon extra attack with light weapon that may or may not have nick
3. bonus action dual wielder attack with one handed weapon that doesn't need the light property

[molten pumice]

Can't do rapier and dagger... other such sword nerd gripes

[abstract beacon]

So the current build I’m thinking is war cleric dwarf, healer as origin feat, then at lvl 4 I pick the weapon master or fighting initiate feat. But I’m not sure if I should go in that direction or simply pick up the stat increase, main point is I wanna swing a mace around AND heal and do damage whilst supporting the team with spells.

[glass granite]

Mace’s mastery is sap, so that wouldn’t improve your damage btw

[abstract beacon]

Hello nugget

[molten pumice]

Sap is a decently cool mastery but it's not one I'm super excited about from my personal taste, and I prefer half plate to full, so if mace is the weapon I was building around i probably would dip at least for a fighter level to add dueling and sap and other such fighter things rather than going the feat route. But... 🤔

[glass granite]

Greetings

[abstract beacon]

Fugget ‘bout the mace point is I wanna swing something blunt around or even an axe

[severe rampart]

Finally found a one-shot for beginners in the looking-for-players, I need to get some experience before my first actual campaign🤞

[glass granite]

Noiceee

[severe rampart]

I won't use the character I'm gonna use in my first campaign though, he's special to me

I'm just gonna make a different character

[molten pumice]

Alright, then yeah, at least with what I'd like to build I'd imagine you could be perfectly happy with a protector war cleric who takes that feat to get a maul/warhammer mastery and then just wails on people. I'd recommend a decent wisdom score, like 14 or 16 at least so you can get those bonus action attacks regularly

[abstract beacon]

Also why half plate to full plate?

[molten pumice]

That's a personal thing with my taste and the specific way my brain is weird. In my head, adding dex to my AC is more important than the difference between a 16/17 AC and an 18 AC

I like even numbers, but plate is like... twice the price to add what registers in my brain as a helmet and thigh protection, and between that and the not adding my dex... I'd like half more

It's fully an arbitrary thing in my head though, I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with plate, especially if you like characters in helmets

[abstract beacon]

I don’t get it, maximum of plate is 18 and of half plate it’s 17, ntm they both give disadvantage to stealth(which I assume doesn’t happen if you have proficiency in heavy armour which the war cleric does)

[glass granite]

You still have disadvantage on stealth

Proficiency doesn’t stop that

[tame estuary]

it's assumed you're not gonna have enough gold to start with it

[abstract beacon]

Then tf does proficiency do

[molten pumice]

Stops it from reducing your movement speed

And at least 1 other thing I'm blanking on

[tame estuary]

nay armor proficiency lets you cast spells, movement speed thing is str requirements

[molten pumice]

Ah, alright

[glass granite]

If you wear armor that you lack proficiency with, you have disadvantage on any ability check, saving throw, or Attack roll that involves Strength or Dexterity, and you can’t cast Spells.

[molten pumice]

I tend to not put armor on my peeps who can't use it so it's something I've only seen once or twice 🤷🏿‍♂️ 😅

[abstract beacon]

Noted

[glass granite]

So yeah, don’t wear armor you’re not proficient in lol

[severe rampart]

I did not know this

[molten pumice]

The medium armor master feat also lets you turn that max 17 into a max 18, and I'm pretty sure you can ignore the disadvantage with that feat too unless they changed it for '24... so in my mind it's easy to make hald better than full

Mithral armor ignores stealth disadvantage (and I think the strength requirement) point blank though.

[tame estuary]

I mean you can ask for magic items lol, not that you'd get them

[molten pumice]

So if you're able to get mithral plate then that's... ya know, all my points moot

[abstract beacon]

Also you can theoretically get 17 ac with studded leather if you got high enough dex

[glass granite]

You can get higher

[molten pumice]

Yeah, that's also a definite way to go, a different vibe from the big war cleric with a big blunt weapon though.

[glass granite]

There are ways to get higher than 20 Dex
Namely barbarian capstone or magic items

[abstract beacon]

Yea but that with things that push the 20 barrier beyond its maximum

[molten pumice]

Better to put those points in making your strength higher and armoring up

[limber trail]

The Barbarian capstone bumps Str and Con, you might be thinking of the Monk capstone

[glass granite]

Ope, mb
Yup! Though wearing armor with monk is extremely questionable

[abstract beacon]

Also splint armour is way cheaper than both plate types and still gives 17 ac, but needs 15 strength to use

[errant bramble]

Whats the highest you can have in a stat at lvl 1?

[abstract beacon]

20 theoretically speaking

[errant bramble]

so it's capped?

[molten pumice]

20, but it'd rely on rolling an 18 and putting a +2 on it

[abstract beacon]

Yea but some things remove the cap, although they’re very situational

[glass granite]

And also usually not available at level 1

[errant bramble]

well some of the origins let you add 3 to a stat.

[rugged hawk]

Remember when AC capped at -20? THACO was so awful....

[abstract beacon]

It’s capped at 20

[errant bramble]

sadge

[molten pumice]

I've been primarily looking at exclusively 2024 stuff since that version dropped, but yeah, using pre-24 rules there are different ways to work stuff since some races/species had ability bonuses built in.

You could also technically put all 3 of your bonuses on 1 stat with the 2024 backgrounds based on things D&D beyond physically allows you to do

I'm not sure how raw that is though

[woven flint]

D&D beyond isn't always correct.

[rugged hawk]

Heresy

[molten pumice]

A shame, seems we'll have to put him down 😔

[woven flint]

You aren't SUPPOSED to put all three ASI's in one stat because, if they intended that, it'd be an actual option.

[rugged hawk]

If WotC didn't want us doing something, it wouldn't be possible on DDB Clearly, this is an allowed course of action.

[woven flint]

Feats aren't supposed to raise you past 20 in an ability either, but you can on D&D Beyond.

[molten pumice]

Yeah, that is why I qualified what I was saying as "technically" being "physically possible" as opposed to just saying it could be done

[rugged hawk]

And let's not forget how you can only push a stat to 15 by point buy, but can manually roll an 18

[woven flint]

Technically it's not possible because it's not RAW

[atomic kayak]

That is very not true, especially with how much of ddb was made before wotc even owned it

[glass granite]

-# i believe that statement was sarcastic

[rugged hawk]

Anything possible is permissible or WotC would've fixed it.

[rugged hawk]

Who, me? Nonsense, I don't know what you're on about.

[glass granite]

I haven’t a single clue

[rugged hawk]

Having said that, though, I draw the line at adding free feats

[molten pumice]

We all know that WotC is a perfect company run by ACTUAL WIZARDS that go back in time with temporal spells to undo any mistakes they make in the first place. So obviously it's canonically impossible for anything on an officially owned WotC site to be incorrect

That's just science. Time science 😎

[woven flint]

1 morbillion fireballs.

[severe rampart]

No wonder our present sucks, rule number 1 of chronomancy, never change the past

[rugged hawk]

Honestly, I'm fine with pretty much anything DDB can do as long as it's: in their paid marketplace and not adding free feats / free gear. I'm also totally fine with raising the point buy to 48 since I've rolled point buy equivalents up to 55 before and 27 point buy is trash compared to manual rolls.

[molten pumice]

I pretty much interact with the game exclusively through DDB so if a thing is on there with the capacity to give WotC money for it I'm generally fine with it. Only stuff on the site I'd really be saying no to if I was running games would be homebrew since you gotta vet that stuff.

[stuck shuttle]

Point buy’s average isn’t that much less than rolled stat’s average

[molten pumice]

I like those "starting at higher levels" rules so I'd just want my players to make their gear fit within those confines

[rugged hawk]

I hear what you're saying. Counterpoint, my water sorc manual rolled 15, 18, 17, 10, 12, 16

[stuck shuttle]

Part of rolling is the chance of going higher than average

[molten pumice]

I spent a year or two rolling stats, would roll 3 groups, and reroll any group with a 7 or lower in it. Rolling stats is very fun but I wouldn't even think to consider averages when talking about it.

[severe rampart]

Could rangers use guns?

[molten pumice]

Been doing point buy lately... it's so much harder

[errant bramble]

Point buy seems like a mid-high average to rolling. It's the safe option.

[glass granite]

Yes

[errant bramble]

If you have limited rolls.

[severe rampart]

I'm sorry, I asked the wrong question

How advanced could the guns be?

[glass granite]

Setting dependent

And also hi sorry, I’m Nugget

[severe rampart]

I want my one-shot character to be a cowboy

[severe rampart]

Hi Nugget, I'm sorry

[rugged hawk]

And also hi Nugget, I'm The Echo

[severe rampart]

Okay let's not get sidetracked

[crimson gulch]

You could allwaus cheat on dnd beyond

[stuck shuttle]

That’s why exactly rolling is risky. If you can just reroll when you get a bad array then there’s no reason not to use rolled stats

[olive wasp]

Integrity is important

[molten pumice]

Standard issue 2024 has flintlocks as the basic martial guns that any martial can use, revolvers and automatic things and such exist but are based on DM approval

[severe rampart]

You could also lie to your DM about what you roll on your die, but that sucks the fun out of it

[errant bramble]

I rolled 6 20's. Trust bro.

[rugged hawk]

That's alright, the DM lies about dice rolls all the time, too

[molten pumice]

Get a repeating pistol and flavor that sum such as a revolver. That's what ill be doing when I get the eberron book

[severe rampart]

“Yes DM, I rolled all 20s on my ability scores”

[olive wasp]

a very possible outcome

[stuck shuttle]

Not a big fan of fudged rolls

[olive wasp]

impossible

max is 18

[severe rampart]

That'd be 0.05 to the sixth? if I'm not wrong, possible? Yes. Probable? No

[olive wasp]

4 d6 drop lowest so highest you could have is 18

[stuck shuttle]

It’s harder to cheat rolls on DDB (and many VTTs) since there’s often a roll tracker

[crimson gulch]

Yep, I'm just saying, dnd beyond does not stop players from cheating

[errant bramble]

You're right

[olive wasp]

unless if you roll straght d20 which is very risky in its own right

[errant bramble]

I miscounted.

[errant bramble]

That sound like a fun way to roll stats, lol. Roll 1d20, no redo's

[severe rampart]

Who cheats at DnD, and I'm not sure there's much they can do against cheating players without making the system worse or more complicated

[crimson gulch]

You can add a million gold to your sheet and a ring of wishes, it's just there to record things not run the game

[stuck shuttle]

People will cheat at anything for one reason or another.

[still plover]

For the power and glory.

[crimson gulch]

Exactly, it's up to the dm to run their game properly , and not think digital tools can do it all properly

[stuck shuttle]

In the realm of D&D in my experience it’s most often out of a desire to control the narrative

Particularly to avoid failure and/or make themselves look cool (it doesn’t)

[crimson gulch]

Cheaters in dnd primarily cheat themselves out of the dopamine rush of the dice rolls mattering for sucess and failure, life and death

[severe rampart]

Own the failures, failure is what makes us human, and overall makes the game more fun (Most of the time)

[woven flint]

I can never fail for I'm not human 🧐

I'm an esoteric being

[scarlet marsh]

The totally-not-a-furry being

[rugged hawk]

I knew you were a bot.

[rugged hawk]

The entire Warlock class: give us tentacles or give us death

[glass granite]

You’re three kobolds in a trenchcoat?

[woven flint]

I am what is or was, but cannot be.

[still plover]

What gave you the impression it was a choice?

[molten pumice]

You and I play different kinds of warlocks 😅

[knotty berry]

Guys where the heck do i go to find people willing to just do a oneshot and not a full campaign? Im just wanna be my little cleric guy for a night. The one channel in channel guide that says "Find players ready to join a game." is unknown....

[rugged hawk]

No. Don't do that.

[molten pumice]

I like me a pact weapon and a nice tall glass of eldritch blast

[glass granite]

You’re the past?

[molten pumice]

With the occasional infinite alter self and dog who can bite

[keen kestrel]

There’s many kinds of warlocks

[woven flint]

My based Drow Celestial Warlock using the humble Guiding Bolt:

[unkempt roost]

If work didn't exist I could scramble something together but it's too late for that now

[molten pumice]

I miss genie warlock... 😔

[keen kestrel]

My absolute favorite is the book of ancient secrets edgelord warlock who thinks they’re better than the nerdy wizards

[molten pumice]

I'm glad there's a genie paladin, but it's not the same!

[woven flint]

My Drow Warlock is a current mix between Tome and Bladelock and I love it

[rugged hawk]

Any class that doesn't need to prepare spell slots is WAY better than wizards.

[keen kestrel]

Exactlyyyyy

[knotty berry]

Thanks for the thought though man you a real one

[molten pumice]

We all prepare spells down here now 😬

[keen kestrel]

A whole party of warlocks just cruising through any module as if they’re not gonna enjoy all the short rests

[woven flint]

Note that in 5e, Wizards don't HAVE to prepare spellslots

[keen kestrel]

Jokes on you, my spells are decided before I’ve even looked at the rest of the spell list

[rugged hawk]

You have my attention.

[unkempt roost]

Don't you just auto prepare after a long rest

[molten pumice]

I just pick the spells i like and mark the extra special ones as prepared, but I also don't play this game. I just build funky lil action figures for me shelf

[unkempt roost]

I thought you had to spend an hour after a long rest

[molten pumice]

I just hit 700 and would like to be praised for my hoarding problem 😏

[woven flint]

Yeah, in 5e prepared casters don't have to prepare every single spellslot they have with a spell,
They just prepare spells they can use for the day as a spell list

[rugged hawk]

Sure, your prize is an introduction to Goblin Slayer himself

[molten pumice]

Jokes on you, he'd only kill 93 of my babies.

Oh wait... I'm a goblin

🏃🏿‍♂️

[rugged hawk]

I'd call you something related to that many babies, but I feel like my point of warlocks has proven itself now.

[woven flint]

My Harengon Bladesinger wizard has a magic scroll that allows him to cast ANY spell.
The conditions are:
It has 9 charges and you must spend charges equal to the spells level, and it comes back each dawn.
It's the same Artifact that gave him 30 int lol

[unkempt roost]

Wish

[jovial shadow]

So a Wizard only gets 4 spells to use per day?

[rugged hawk]

And then you hit the 30% chance of never being able to cast Wish again

[woven flint]

He doesn't HAVE to use a 9th level spell slot to cast any spell though.
He can just do it through an Artifact he owns

[woven flint]

That's only if you don't use wish to replicate a spell

[molten pumice]

I use wish to wish for upside-down castles to land on my enemies

[woven flint]

What?

[rugged hawk]

"....I wish for my controlling player to be isekai'd into our party in-game?"

[woven flint]

No, wizards get a number of spells to use per day as stated at the level they're at.

[golden schooner]

If you cast wish from something that isn’t like you personally, does the 33% thing still apply? What about for genies?

[worldly flare]

Yes and no.

[woven flint]

Yes. But not for genies

[molten pumice]

It depends on the thing but it doesn't necessarily hit you. Genies can cast a wish and then not be able to do it again for a year if they roll something wrong

[woven flint]

Genies seem to be the only entities besides deities that Don't suffer from wish sickness, but they can't grant their own wishes.

[molten pumice]

I think the luck sword's wish hits you though iirc

[woven flint]

Also, I'd say that the chances of your wishes going wrong from genies really depends on the type of genie and how you've treated them over genies always just misinterpreting wishes.

[celest ether]

Hi

[golden schooner]

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

[woven flint]

A Djinni, for example, being probably the most good genie, probably wouldn't intentionally try to hurt you with your own wishes

[celest ether]

Is there a malee druid build aside from the moon druid. I don't remember. I don't meant necessarily as guish but as a melee caster.

[woven flint]

Spores is another good option

[celest ether]

Like the death cleric

[woven flint]

Any Druid can technically be a melee Druid if you use sheleighleigh (if I spelled that correctly)

[glass granite]

Shillelagh

Don’t ask why it’s spelt that way, I do not know

[woven flint]

Thank you!
Now.

Have a Meteor Swarm for correcting me!!! >:[

[glass granite]

Evasion

Me’s a monk

[woven flint]

Fool...
I used wish to make all spells Intelligence saving throws!

[glass granite]

Fool, I’m the DM

[woven flint]

No you aren't

[glass granite]

I AM NOW

[woven flint]

You're no dm of mine!

[rugged hawk]

Fool, I'm the player who chooses whether to play your campaign! Those are now int saves or I QUIT!

[glass granite]

No.
I’m Nugget
Who’s no dm of mine?

[celest ether]

Yeah but I meant as a death cleric they spam inflict wounds and vempiric touch.

[glass granite]

Cya!

[rugged hawk]

You're not supposed to do that....

[stuck shuttle]

Nugget with the 9th level Banishment

[celest ether]

I would prefer a melee caster druid than a quasi martial one .

[woven flint]

Well, Druids don't have a lot of spells like that tbh
They aren't very touch spell focused

Regular melee options aren't bad with druids though, as they're still good with crowd control

[mortal perch]

Just go 1 or 2 levels fighter and the rest druid, right? We talking 2014 or 2024?

[inner silo]

How good is animate dead on other classes except necromancer wizard?

[trail spoke]

Hello, I am new to dnd. my character is a human bard. im just wondering is there anything i should know about in general or be aware of before starting my dnd journey? anyone please share knowledge i would really apreciate it!

[molten pumice]

Bardic inspiration didn't appeal to me early on as much as some other things bonus actions could be used for, but it's actually real neat, keep it in mind. 👍🏿

[rugged hawk]

First rule is avoid Tekta, she's already spawned 93 green brats and doesn't need more.

[meager fractal]

hi, welcome to the hobby

[molten pumice]

I'm a boy goblin 😔 and such a nice one too...

[rugged hawk]

[molten pumice]

I have been considering getting into biting lately though...

[trail spoke]

what is biting

[molten pumice]

Ow! Alright, chomping then

[trail spoke]

oh biting in the literl sense

[woven flint]

Imma bite you.

[molten pumice]

Yeah, on account of the goblin teeth. Nom nom nang nang and so on

[trail spoke]

lol

[molten pumice]

For being pretty and nice? This is cruel and unusual punishment. I have rights

[trail spoke]

im practicly a bard irl so i picked that

[woven flint]

Yes, for those two crimes

[molten pumice]

Oh! 😲 Then I will be evadinv the law, thank you very much 🏃🏿‍♂️‍➡️

[woven flint]

Pretty goblins get monched.

[rugged hawk]

First off, goblins are neither pretty nor nice. Second, you're only half-right about goblins having rights. They have the singular right to DIE for my loot and xp.

[inner silo]

How difficult would it be to make yuan-ti necromancer not evil?

[molten pumice]

Anti-goblin propaganda still running rampant in big 25... 😔

Take a propa ganda at my alignment. It clearly says chaotic good

[inner silo]

How are goblins not nice?

[trail spoke]

you mean pro-goblin propaganda

[rugged hawk]

Have you seen those grubby, filthy little goobers? They're honestly even worse than chimpanzees.

[trail spoke]

Do they apreciate good music? then i can tolerate

[rugged hawk]

It clearly got misspelled

[inner silo]

Such vial language used to describe such innocent creatures! How ignorant

[trail spoke]

are they innocent bc their brains are so small?

[molten pumice]

My last 5 girlfriends had proficiency in musical instruments and performance checks. You can't ask them about it though, they all moved out of town. They were all super duper real though

Super doubt is an excessive use of force 😔

[woven flint]

Lmao

[inner silo]

They're innocent because they've never hurt a soul

[inner silo]

How does one unlock super reactions?

[molten pumice]

Tekta specifically is a very kinda lil warlock who enjoys sweeping with his flying broom. What's more innocent than keeping a clean home? I should be exonerated of all those bandits i eldritch blasted during my last tavern visit. I assumed them cackling about their bandit activities meant they were robbing old grannies, not corrupt nobles

[rugged hawk]

You don't. Suffer in your powerlessness! Ahahahahaha!

[molten pumice]

It's either something a server does or a perk for having nitro. I honestly can't remember. 🤔 🤔 🤔

[inner silo]

Big sadness

[trail spoke]

you have to buy it

[inner silo]

I'll have to ask the artificiest of intellectuals i guess

[trail spoke]

i aint paying for nitro

[molten pumice]

Give discord your money or so help me

[rugged hawk]

I've had Nitro for half a decade Comes with 5 super reacts per day.

[woven flint]

Give me your money :3

[inner silo]

Was it worth it?

[rugged hawk]

Gonna go with 'yes'

[molten pumice]

We can do that? Dang, I'll take money for sure. I accept gold coins, gems worth 50+ gold coins, or ya know... united states dollars

[inner silo]

Glad to hear you don't regret your decision!

[rugged hawk]

Honestly, it's just $10 a month and I use most of its Nitro features constantly, so it works out

[molten pumice]

5 per day and you burned 2 to call me a liar?! You're so reckless with your spell slots

[rugged hawk]

Oh, and Nitro comes with 2 free server boosts

[molten pumice]

That's 3 now! You're almost out of ammo!!

[inner silo]

Three in ten minutes

[molten pumice]

On an innocent, borderline unarmed goblin mind you.

[trail spoke]

a server boost? forgive me i only just got discord

[inner silo]

A broom is plenty armed, tbf

[molten pumice]

🧹 🤫

You ain't gotta tell them that

[inner silo]

Right, sorry, my deepest, severest apologies

[trail spoke]

I'd feel bad for that broom

[molten pumice]

😌 you're forgiven

Because Tekta is a kind, diplomatic goblin

[inner silo]

Thank you, your heart is kind

[inner silo]

Are they British?

[molten pumice]

The specific setting wasn't decided on but if I said something based on what's true about tekta, eberron is the most fitting published setting. So... if that's an answer

[inner silo]

I see

[molten pumice]

If the eberron book gave me playable goblins back I'd have a 2024 eberron tekta by now... insert fairlyoddparents trophy meme

I should probably pick a more recent character to be my face... but now I feel like I gotta stay tekta for at least another month, and by then I'll forget to change out my profile, so thanks for trapping me in this goblin body soldiers 🫡

The forgotten realms and other such WotC licensed settings thank you for your service

Could be neat. You're wondering about viability or pitching me a new face? For the former there's technically a channel for getting build help. #character-discussion I'd say it's a cool idea as long as the scores all line up right, and i don't recall echo needing a specific score

[woven flint]

Personally, I'd just go full echo knight fighter lol

[remote wadi]

Okay, so today's was definitely volatile

Tons of nat 20s where it could have been better, pretty bad rolls and occassionally forgetting things

Do kind of wish I had better options for ranged weapons, this longbow is really not cutting it

[errant bramble]

A gun? IDK the setting.

[molten pumice]

Since I've locked myself in the post-24 bunker I don't technically even have access to echo knight, and as much as I love arcane trickster, I'm realizing the magic and sneak attack don't blend in a way that I personally go crazy for. For a full rogue it's neat, but if I'm getting spells from somewhere else that isn't int based I wonder if what trickster adds is worth it

[remote wadi]

I thought so too, but dm is apparently saying that although they are possible, probably need an artificer for it

Setting is CoS

[errant bramble]

No Idea what CoS is. What do you need the artificer for?

Making it or using it?

[remote wadi]

Curse of Strahd. And probably to make the gun

[inner silo]

I mean, magehand thing is pretty interesting, and disadvantage on spell saves to surprised enemies

[errant bramble]

Could find some gnomeish tinkerers to make it maybe.....

[molten pumice]

Heavy crossbow is arguably better but without crossbow expert the loading property potentially makes it worse

[errant bramble]

Pay someone to train you to use the gun so you have proficiency.

[molten pumice]

Or a repeating heavy crossbow if that sweet, sweet eberron book is on the table

[inner silo]

Finding a magic bow might be easier then a gun though i feel

[remote wadi]

For all intents and purposes, I already have proficiency with them. It's coming across one that's the issue

[errant bramble]

Then if you don't want to dip into artificer, finding a NPC tinkerer is you're best bet probably.

[inner silo]

Multiclassing artificer as a ranger would be MADness tbh

[remote wadi]

I'm thinking so too, but being a long range character just to be outclassed by a wizard cantrip is a little depressing

[inner silo]

Are you still fighting enemies resistant to your damage types?

[woven flint]

That's just how it goes lol

[remote wadi]

No, but it's just how strong Fire Bolt is vs a longbow that somehow has enough power to travel 400 feet only does 1d8 piercing

[errant bramble]

isnt your dex added?

1d8 + dex mod?

[inner silo]

Nah that's not supposed to happen. 1d10 fire is pretty significantly worse then 1d8 piercing+dex

[remote wadi]

That's still only 1d8 +4

Which has consistently been below average damage

[errant bramble]

That's a guaranteed 5 damage, with a max 2 higher than firebolt.

[remote wadi]

It isn't just the cantrip itself. Just an example

And again, my damage has consistently been below average. 2s, 3s, and the uncommon 4 being the experience

[inner silo]

Cantrips<weapon attacks<leveled spells most of the time

[errant bramble]

Leveled spells are going to do more, but there is a limit to how many they can cast. You can do you're thing infinitely, or for however many arrows you have.

[inner silo]

So you're just unlucky. Even then it's aight damage when you add your +3/+4 dex mod

[errant bramble]

thats still 6 damage at a 2

[glass granite]

Higher than the fire bolt average

[inner silo]

Alse rangers get some very good spells too, though that's not for damage so much

[errant bramble]

@remote wadi your minimum damage is firebolts average.

[remote wadi]

Homebrew rule is a problem. The summary for it is that they have MP max and casting, which means that they can cast spells more freely

[errant bramble]

You still do more damage with your attacks than their cantrips. But homebrew being unbalanced is just the standard I think.

[inner silo]

So they looked at casters who outmatch noncasters by a landslide and decided to buff them?

[uncut sentinel]

do other DMs just give bowtwingers infinite normal arrows so that isn't a bothersome thing to track? lol

[trail mica]

hmmm how does Speech of Beast and Leaf work if your character is mute? I'm gonna play a mute firbolg and it just says "you can communicate in a limited manner with beasts, plants and vegetation"

[errant bramble]

Thats homebrew's fault, not the games or yours.

[glass granite]

Also, you’re complaining about your damage again, Bloodline? Haven’t you done this for a month now?

[hushed mason]

I do not. I expect them to replenish arrows on a regular basis or roleplay collecting them after battle.

[inner silo]

Btw hi Nugget!

[uncut sentinel]

LadyStickler strikes again. Sensible.

[remote wadi]

Could you not lable this under complaining, please? I'm just trying to explain the situation and try to see where it's at so far

[hushed mason]

It's kind of like rations.

[uncut sentinel]

Fair.

[glass granite]

I track them early game and encourage them replenishing them, and if they go a really long time without replenishing I remind them

[glass granite]

Hallo Cracker!

[inner silo]

How are you doing at this fine time?

[uncut sentinel]

I understand. Not a big deal. I suppose I just like streamlining, and generally try to make combat tough. You have infinite arrows or projectiles? Doesn't matter. You still gotta survive dis sheet.

[glass granite]

Bored, but alive
My next session likely will be next year

[remote wadi]

I just don't know a good course of action. Perhaps talking to the DM about possible weapons and planning. Considering their ungodly luck so far, this could be considered asking for help keeping up

[inner silo]

Dam, only next year, that's a bummer

[errant bramble]

Make them wear a quiver. 30 Arrows max. Gotta refill it with an action from the parties supply spot. There is no god here.

[glass granite]

Ikr

[inner silo]

I have a question about a monk character

[glass granite]

Oooo, always love me monks
What’s the question?

[errant bramble]

Ask the DM what buffs you can get to keep up with the stupid buff they gave casters.

[remote wadi]

Mind you, among all the nat 20s so far, a minimum of 7 for this session alone, the only nat 20 I got was as the higher roll in disadvantage. Luck is not on my side, so I have to make do with what I got

[uncut sentinel]

Except for the plethora of them in-game. To each their own. Quiver or no quiver, there are no "gimmes" in combat for me. If I'm behind an encounter, any encounter, you can be sure there's multiple ways for one or more of you to perish.

[woven flint]

I love it when dms buff casters for no reason

[glass granite]

I’d argue Perkins crit is a partial buff to martials

[inner silo]

I want to make like a british gentleman type character that fights using his cane, hat and fists and wanted to know if this would translate well to a monk?

[woven flint]

Buff Monks more, please ;]

[glass granite]

Extraordinarily well

[woven flint]

I'd argue that it's a horrible homebrew rule.

[rough basalt]

Nothing I love better than not handwaving rules

[errant bramble]

The god part was a joke, lol. That honestly sounds fun to me, for a serious and gritty plathrough. But I can see some people hating it.

[inner silo]

Great to hear!

[uncut sentinel]

oh mb xD

[rough basalt]

You wanna make sure you always have ammo? Then make sure to keep buying some

[glass granite]

Cane is a quarterstaff arguably, but at worst take the tavern brawler feat and get proficiency in the improvised weapons. Boom, d6 hat.

[uncut sentinel]

It's not all tombstones and "dang we gon survive today or not?" There's fun. There's downtime. It's just combat that isn't "life or death or wat now?" doesn't feel like combat to me. If the stakes are low to nonexistent, there aren't any really, and PCs in 5.5e need no handholding. Rather powerful now.

[glass granite]

Heck, reflavour the hat as a light hammer so you can chuck it

[young bolt]

today i found out that my dad, who plays as one of my fellow party members and as tim who is a paladin sorcerer class character, well he always told me that my sister, the dungeon master of the party i am in, has the final say when it comes to making homebrew, but he has secretly been using a homebrew weapon and a homebrew armor behind my sister's back. this is more shocking to me because my sister is "by the book" which means that all homebrew done by anyone but her and any homebrew that doesn't replicate what she has given out to any party member is automatically not allowed in her campaigns even if that homebrew thing is reasonable to have. and the homebrew weapon and armor tim has, is reasonable to have. so i think tim and my dad broke the paladin oath. i disagree with dungeon masters being "by the book" but i would not decieve my dungeon master in order to have a homebrew thing.

[inner silo]

Yo that's actually sick as heck, I'll definitely ask my dm if i can do this

[errant bramble]

Ye. Exploration and RP is fun, combat is fighting for you life. Which can also be fun.

[opal maple]

They're just going to buy 200 arrows

[hushed mason]

in otherwords, your Dad has been cheating.

[glass granite]

With tavern brawler you can also use a cigar as a weapon!

[rough basalt]

Nice. Might be a bit worrying with that 8 strength of theirs

[inner silo]

Alrighty, then my next martial character is settled, thanks a lot for the help!

[glass granite]

Monk power!

[uncut sentinel]

Cheater, cheater, poopoo eater.

[inner silo]

Hitting my enemies with a Sherlock Holmes style pipe

[opal maple]

200 arrows is 20lb

[remote wadi]

Oh, yeah. Might as well bring this up about the Fire Bolt

Yes, I technically do higher damage on average, but we recently hit level 4. Next Wizard level, that upgrades to 2d10. I do get extra attack, but needing to use up more resources to maybe keep up may be a problem

[rough basalt]

Yeah 20lbs is a lot to an 8 strength pc

[hazy heath]

GUYS I NEED HEWLUP

[glass granite]

What?

[uncut sentinel]

Time for your dad to get some chin music (baseball). Plot with your sister to get even without letting on that you know he is cheating.

[rough basalt]

Especially when you account for armor, the weapon, backup weapon, backpack and items inside

[errant bramble]

you get extra attack for free though?

[hazy heath]

should I buy eye of ruin or welcome to hellfire??

[woven flint]

Alternatively, don't be a coward and fight at range /j

[inner silo]

Bow on average does more damage so you'll outscale them and arrows are barely a scarce resource

[rough basalt]

And that money you got on you weighs something too

[woven flint]

I almost always refuse to play ranged combatants unless most of the party is melee

[errant bramble]

I enjoy eldritch blast too much.

[rough basalt]

I like ranged if it's crossbow or gun

[naive cedar]

I love playing ranged

[loud tendon]

and you can potentially up your dex to add more damage to each shot.

if you want to find reasons to complain and feel bad, you always will - But if you feel that behind, talk to the DM about why martials are unbuffed

[opal maple]

It's less than 20%. I don't think I've ever seen carry capacity be an issue for anyone, except a classic module where they get given 10,000 copper.

[inner silo]

The smoking pipe sherlock holmes used

[rough basalt]

I see it happen quite a bit

[woven flint]

I enjoy cracking skulls too much..
My last Barbarian kill was a punch to the jaw so hard it literally knocked the dudes head off 😭

[hazy heath]

GUYS SHOULD I GET EYE OF RUIN OR WELCOME TO HELLFIRE

[remote wadi]

Again, I am working on that. We're just closing out the session. Just finished with combat

[loud tendon]

please don't abuse CAPS.. people are not obligated to answer.

[rough basalt]

I have a Kobold in my Monday game that's on hiatus that was crushed under the weight of all the money he had

[undone fable]

Whats a perkins crit?

[hazy heath]

Woah thats insane

[undone fable]

both.

[hazy heath]

Ahhh I need to choose one 😞

[remote wadi]

Max damage instead of double dice
So a longbow crit will be 1d8 + modifiers + 8

[woven flint]

You killed my horse, you bastard /playful

[hazy heath]

I only have enough money to get one 😢

[undone fable]

do you like stranger things?

[rough basalt]

Plenty of other equine in the grass

[undone fable]

Hellfire. i assume thats the strangers things one

[woven flint]

Orizontas will never be the same, his best friend/horse is dead!

[hazy heath]

Yeah but I also wanna get eye of ruin because the adventure seemed sick

[undone fable]

Ooooh that is awesome. one of my dms do that

[inner silo]

Say it should also double your ability score bonus damage

[woven flint]

He grew up with that horse!

[remote wadi]

Either they don't or we don't

[undone fable]

My homebrew is Perkins crit but if youre a ranger (esp 2024), you auto max damage targets with hunters mark

[rough basalt]

The best part

[remote wadi]

Either way, only one ability modifer

[inner silo]

They don't or we don't what

[woven flint]

DAMN YOUUU

[remote wadi]

Apply the double ability modifer rule

[inner silo]

I see

Well still no reason to complain. Also you chose to play a ranger, you weren't forced to

[inner silo]

Buffing the best classes

[rough basalt]

My new encounter table now has a 50% chance that every encounters enemies only go for mounts

[remote wadi]

I. Was. Not. Complaining. I was explaining what the session was today and a few homebrew rules for context

I get I'm not sunshine and rainbows, but I'm working on it

[woven flint]

My Monk Homebrew allows me to do Tekken Combos /joking

[undone fable]

exactly. Ranger best class

[glass granite]

Nah monk is superior

[inner silo]

I see

[inner silo]

Monks and rangers are both best

[glass granite]

Nah there can only be one

[inner silo]

One power of friendship

[woven flint]

Monk is superior

[glass granite]

Only room for one best Dex+wis class

[undone fable]

ranger to me is ketchup to pikachu.

[glass granite]

Thank you!

[woven flint]

You act like I'm not a Monk player smh.

[inner silo]

Cleric?

[errant bramble]

Cleradin?

[blissful ibex]

~2d8+4+4 (add +3+3 if HWM) wih a longbow trumps 2d10 though?

[woven flint]

Clerics don't need Dex lol

[inner silo]

Dex+wis+str+char

[glass granite]

There are plenty of them that dump Dex in favour for 15 strength and heavy armor

[inner silo]

Ig

[errant bramble]

Not the way I play it. (Eyebrow wiggle)

[inner silo]

Druids?

[woven flint]

My Tortle Cleric who has built in heavy armor :

[glass granite]

Don’t need Dex to multiclass out of or into

[inner silo]

Shucks

[woven flint]

Clerics and Druids don't need dex to function

Rangers can go Strength Build as well..

Therefore, Monks are best Wisdex!!!

[remote wadi]

It's just annoying when I'm try to explain something that isn't positive and I'm immediately accused of complaining

[blissful ibex]

Moon druid can get away with focusing just mental stats for the most part

[inner silo]

Well necromancer wizard is better then monk and ranger together at stalling combat!

[undone fable]

Rangers are pretty.

[young bolt]

i figured i was right that my dad is in the wrong.

[undone fable]

but wisdom is interesting

[inner silo]

Strangers are so underrated, they only need to dump dex/wis

[nova trellis]

Clerics have such good class features at lv1. I dont see the need to multiclass to improve cleric. Infact, I see folks multiclass a lv into cleric to improve OTHER classes.

[hushed mason]

Yeah. And that sucks. I mean, it's great that you have a dad you can play games with, but if they're going to cheat, that's pretty... crummy for both you and your sister.

[woven flint]

Wisdom is the only mental stat I never completely dump

[undone fable]

Cleric/druid/ranger

[inner silo]

It wasn't immediately, you've been talking about essentially the same issues for a while already

[woven flint]

Because Wisdom saves are scary.

[remote wadi]

And to answer this, it would mathematically. But the dice hate me

That consistently below average for the dice claim? This was also ironically despite also having Piercer

[inner silo]

This is why you don't play stranger

[blissful ibex]

id' take HWM over piercer if not going sharpshooter

[remote wadi]

I know i was, but I'm trying to turn that around. Not easy, but gotta start somewhere

[undone fable]

HWM?

[woven flint]

What? A Ranger never wants to dump Wisdom ever lmao
Even as a strength build.
Dump Charisma and Intelligence instead lol

[remote wadi]

Already have Sharpshooter

[blissful ibex]

Heavy Weapon Master; Longbow is a heavy weapon
also still benefits you in case you get stuck in melee for some reason

[undone fable]

I love Piercer for dex builds and HWM for str builds

[inner silo]

If you're doing pointbuy, building str, con, wis and dex will be tough, even if you only go 13 dex

[remote wadi]

Yeah, this is a dex build

[inner silo]

For multiclassing

[woven flint]

Just don't worry about dex, then? Lol.

[woven flint]

You don't need to multiclass.

[inner silo]

Using a feat to grab heavy armour prof then?

[glass granite]

Your AC can be solved by going with smt like Tortle too

[snow zephyr]

"lemme roll 20 attack sequences"

[woven flint]

Nah, just deal with it, Simple as

[glass granite]

Famous last words

[woven flint]

Or, alternatively, use Bark Skin.

[blissful ibex]

I like to MC, but that's because I enjoy doing so and make sure not to fall terribly behind standard classes

[snow zephyr]

Lvl 20? I need 300 d20

[naive cedar]

multiclassing is overrated

[inner silo]

Yeah, if all your daily fights fit into one or two one hour long sequences that can actually solve it

[blissful ibex]

in most scenarios, it's objectively worse than pure classing

[snow zephyr]

Speed running violence

[blissful ibex]

but my silly Druid 15 / Warlock 5 is fun for me so

[woven flint]

Also, Fighter is one of the most relaxed classes for multiclassing anyway if you really wanted to

You either need 13 Strength OR 13 Dexterity, not both.

[inner silo]

Fighters are just the best

[woven flint]

I hate fighters :>

[inner silo]

Why?

[glass granite]

Monks are quite poor multiclassers, sadly

[woven flint]

Monks superior.

[woven flint]

We don't need it!

[inner silo]

Liking monks shouldn't make you hate fighters

[glass granite]

Nope lol

[blissful ibex]

monk, cleric, and rogue as the primary class really do not want to branch out

[limber trail]

I wanna multiclass my monk with a fighter

[woven flint]

I have my other reasons for hating fighter.

[naive cedar]

arcane archers >>>>

[woven flint]

It's a boring class.

[inner silo]

Multiclassing monk paladin

[glass granite]

Fighters use weapons
We us fists
Fighters use armor
We hate armor
Fighters say they can attack a lot
We attack a lot too, arguably more efficiently

[woven flint]

Fighters and Wizards are both equally as boring to me
Why play either of those when I can play any martial or any caster?

[naive cedar]

I love wizards

[inner silo]

Martials should band together, not infight

[inner silo]

Necromancer with actually good raising dead posibilities

[woven flint]

Now, don't get me wrong
I like my Fighter and my Wizard that I'm playing, but I moreso like them for the people they are, not their classes.

[woven flint]

... okay?

I don't see how that pushes an argument in any way lol.

[young bolt]

i agree, and what is more surprising is that he is the paladin of the party i am in and he always tells me that my sister has the final say on hombrew made things that anyone creates. but my dad did not ask my sister if that homebrew weapon and armor was okay to have. he claims you have to be subtle and sneaky in order to add homebrew things to your character sheet while in a campaign run by my sister. and what's worse is my dad is a loyal member of the church of latter day saints and yet his religion would most likely frown upon learning that fact about his cheating. plus he holds a leader position in his religion but not the top boss or boss of the church he goes to.

[woven flint]

Clerics are good at reviving people and raising dead too.
Probably better lol

[inner silo]

There is stuff fighters and wizards can do that other classes can't, at least as effuciently

[naive cedar]

cleric supremacy

[remote wadi]

So that's the current event happening. Spell casting is pretty high, and while i can keep up somewhat, it really doesn't feel like it. Especially with how inherently risky my damaging spells are. Ensnaring Strike, for one, requires to be cast before landing a hit and on top of that, I am now 2 for 2 on enemies breaking out of Ensnaring Strike right after failing the initial save. And with my longbow being on it's last legs, that means that I'm really holding out for a NPC tinkerer because I need a much better firearm

[inner silo]

Reviving people isn't making undead

[woven flint]

Still doesn't change the fact that I don't like either lol

[woven flint]

Clerics can still raise dead too.

[inner silo]

Sure

[cerulean monolith]

Raise Dead resurrects people. It doesn’t make undead

[inner silo]

They're not good at it though

[woven flint]

That's not what I mean, Sam.

I mean that Clerics can also still make undead

[inner silo]

Yeah, they have animate dead iirc

[undone fable]

Clerics get animate dead

[woven flint]

Okay?
What's the argument you're getting at, wizards are better at raising dead than Clerics? I don't see how that makes wizard any mire appealing than a Cleric.

[cerulean monolith]

You guys are fighting different battles

[woven flint]

The argument they're making for why wizards are good doesn't make sense lol.

I never said wizards are bad anyway, I just don't like them

[cerulean monolith]

Tokii never said that Wizards and Fighters are bad, he made a statement about his opinion. And Cracker isn’t invalidating your opinion, he’s explaining why he thinks those classes are powerful.

[naive cedar]

I love all classes

[cerulean monolith]

This is the most net zero argument I’ve seen here in a while

[inner silo]

If i want to play a character raising dead, wizards would be by far the best option. I meant it as just an example that there are things wizards and fighters can do that other classes can't as i thought that was your problem with them. Though if not, i apologise for the misunderstanding

[woven flint]

Looks at Spores Druid, Death Cleric and new Oathbreaker

[inner silo]

They can raise dead, but no undead thralls

[woven flint]

The only thing a wizard can do better than any caster is that they can have access to all of their spells eventually. That's literally the only reason wizards are the strongest casters besides having a good spell list.

As for Fighters, they're the only Martial that can attack many times consistently, but even then, when monk gets extra attack, they
can still Bonus action attack and have more attacks more consistently than fighter until level 20

[inner silo]

They're also the only intelligence fullcaster

[cerulean monolith]

Wrong

[woven flint]

Not true, Psion is getting released soon.

[inner silo]

Not out yet though

[woven flint]

As of now, yes, but Psion still exists.

Which I'm very excited for btw lmao

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t count psion yet

[inner silo]

Monks can attack a lot with unarmed strikes only though, fighters can do it with weapons

[glass granite]

Incorrect

[inner silo]

Kensei?

[glass granite]

Around 50% of a monk’s attacks can be with a weapon

Any monk

[cerulean monolith]

Only Flurry of Blows is restricted to unarmed strikes.

[woven flint]

New Monks don't have to use unarmed strikes to activate flurry of blows either (as it it's not required to do so to use flurry and blows anymore)

[inner silo]

I see

[cerulean monolith]

They didn’t in 2014 either

[glass granite]

That being said, Kensei does use weapons fairly well

[cerulean monolith]

They just had to make some kind of attack.

[inner silo]

How many attacks do monks make a turn without flurry of blows?

[glass granite]

Only exception usually is astral self, but even then

[glass granite]

3 with extra attack

[woven flint]

2, but they can use a bonus action for an extra unarmed strike without spending ki.

[inner silo]

I see, so still fighters do more weapon attacks, though it is only at level 20

[cerulean monolith]

Then get extra attack at 5th level. Then they get Flurry of Blows, which lets them make an unarmed strike as a BA. They can spend ki points to increase the amount of attacks they can make with Flurry of Blows

[glass granite]

With flurry of blows, 4 or 5.
With a level in Ranger for weapon mastery (nick), 5 or 6

[woven flint]

Monks are more consistent than fighters attack wise up until level 20.

They're on par attack wise around level 11.

[glass granite]

Monks beat fighters for the first 5 levels too

[woven flint]

Yarp.

[glass granite]

Heck, arguably the first 10

[cerulean monolith]

Monks are the strongest tier 1 martial and maintain a good running throughout tier 2 and 3. Only in tier 4 do Fighters vastly outclass them

[woven flint]

It's not that Monks are better than Fighter or anything of the sort, they're just easily more consistent if you're willing to use your bonus action to attack

[glass granite]

Even then, I wouldn’t say vastly

[remote wadi]

So, what is the best plan for an upgrade? Searching for someone who can craft a firearm?

[inner silo]

That is true

[cerulean monolith]

I will actually say that Fighters are probably the weakest tier 1 martial, but that’s more contentious

[glass granite]

That or magical ammo

[woven flint]

Monks get three strikes with flurry of blows at some point, but then they're no longer more consistent because they have to dig into resources to attack more than a Fighter

[glass granite]

No, I agree

[potent siren]

Thems fighting words!

[inner silo]

Elemental arrows or explosive arrows should be fun

[loud tendon]

magic bow with more damage.. better armor.. you already have sharpshooter so thats +10 to any target you hit

[remote wadi]

Magical ammo is a possibility, but I think that raw damage numbers could also be a good fix. Staying at 1 d8 per attack doesn't feel like it'll scale well

[inner silo]

It'll be fine

[woven flint]

I can contest to this
I'm a Fighter in a campaign with a Monk at level 4 and he does more cleaning up than I do, but, I'm able to take hits and "tank" more consistently, so we both have our spots on the team

[glass granite]

Paladins get smite and spells and lay on hands, rangers get spells and expertise, monks get more attacks, barbs get rage, rogues get sneak attack
Fighters get…action surge

[hidden spindle]

Magic weapons. Monks with Unarmed Strikes have fewer "magic items"

[glass granite]

That also means they require less from the party, and others can get the loot without conflict

[remote wadi]

Sharpshooter is 2014. So it's +8 without the active buff. Which also doesn't stack up so well when my damage is a bit reliant on it to keep up. I'll ask the other members of my party and the DM for details on their plans and what to look for in this next town

[woven flint]

Fighters get self-healing too, so they're a bit more efficient in that department than the other pure martials.. and they also get more utility because of having more weapon masteries

[glass granite]

Yeah fighters can still hold their own

[cerulean monolith]

Rage increases damage and survivability by a large margin and Reckless provides a rare consistent source of Advantage. Sneak Attack also does very impactful damage early on, though it’s weakened by its rarity in advantage.

In tier 1, it’s probably Monk, Barb, Rogue, then Fighter. In tier 2 and 3 Barb falls to the bottom and Fighter rises to compete with Monk for first. In tier 4 Fighter take its rightful place as the best martial for a final ranking of Fighter, Monk, Rogue, Barb

[glass granite]

They’re quite the good class still

[inner silo]

Also using second wind for d20 tests can be clutch

[woven flint]

Fighter is well-designed, it's just not my favorite lol

[remote wadi]

By the way, I wonder when 6e will be released

[glass granite]

Probably not for a bit

[hidden spindle]

Give it another 10 years

[inner silo]

They're probably not the best at any single thing but they can do most martial things

[potent siren]

not for a decent amount of time probably

[glass granite]

I’m guessing another decade
-# and maybe a bit

[full wing]

tbf it depends on the fighter build

[hushed mason]

I'm guessing it will require a subscription to access the books.

[potent siren]

Mfw I have to pay for a subscription for the privelege to pay for another subscription :(

[full wing]

a vhuman sharpshooter fighter is probably the best tier 1 martial

2014 martial

[serene jolt]

What about 2024 martials?

[cerulean monolith]

So you pay $5 for your Subscription Portal subscription, then you have to pay $10 for the WotC subscription. Then $15 for the D&D 6e subscription. And then another $30 to rent each book. All monthly.

[woven flint]

Monks are also pretty good in a decent majority of situations because they don't really need equipment to function
Even without it a Monk is still consistently dangerous 🔥

[full wing]

2024 fighter with 2014 sharpshooter 😎

[glass granite]

I feel like that’s a testament to sharpshooter more than fighter lol

[full wing]

shhhhhhh

at tier one probably the exact same ranking

[woven flint]

All you need is a Monk with an Eldritch Claw tattoo

Cracks knuckles

[glass granite]

Funnily enough the best way to make a monk useless while imprisoning them is to strap armor on them that they can’t get off

[woven flint]

Real lmao

[glass granite]

You lose all your meaningful features, you have a speed penalty likely if it’s heavy armor, and not having armor prof ruins you

[burnt valley]

Fighter also gets Spellcasting features

[serene jolt]

Lmao

[woven flint]

Monks crumbling when armor touches their body in any form of way

[woven flint]

Only Eldritch Knights do.
Unless you have Magic initiate or feats that give Spellcasting.

[burnt valley]

Imagine forcing enemy Monks to wear shield and armour

[scarlet marsh]

Spelldritch knight

[burnt valley]

Ik

[serene jolt]

Put them in a straight jacket and they're donezo.

[burnt valley]

Leather armor and they will melt

[woven flint]

Monks don't need spells to be badass 🔥

[full wing]

lowkey crazy that monk is the onyl class that can benefit from combining 2 uncommon items for a +2

[serene jolt]

Ranger gets spellcasting features tho

[woven flint]

Sumatra, my Elements Monk
Absolutely destroyed an Adult black dragon, with help, of course, but he was doing MASSIVE damage >:]

[burnt valley]

I will only agree in the case of Way of Open Hand (Cuz you get to be Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star)

[serene jolt]

Because Rangers are built different

[woven flint]

My favorite monk subclass is mercy

[glass granite]

My fav is elemental warrior

[burnt valley]

Let Open Hand monks do their vibrating palm strikes 24/7 at Tier 4 but the damage is delayed til they say "Omae wa mou shindeiru"

[full wing]

my fav new one is elemental warrior

[serene jolt]

What? Are bracers of archery chopped liver?

[woven flint]

I'm a healer at heart 😔

[glass granite]

Fly above the enemy, pull them towards you, they fall, repeat for all your attacks

[full wing]

thats only +2 damage

not nearly as good as +2 damage and +2 atk bonus

[woven flint]

ONLY?
do you know how good a flat bonus is to damage?

[scarlet marsh]

I wanna play my tiger monk again

[serene jolt]

That's not a +2 in general but still really good for an uncommon.

[full wing]

pales in comparason to a +2 to hit bonus

[woven flint]

Okay, gonna level with you.

Get a +2 Weapon and also get Bracers of Archery.

[full wing]

unfortunatly bars you from using old xbow master

[full wing]

rare and uncommon item challenge cancelled

[serene jolt]

That's true.

[full wing]

im just talking about eldritch claw and +1 wraps stacking

[burnt valley]

Take Archery in fighter as ur base fighting style then take fighting initiate: archery

[cerulean monolith]

That’s not how that works

[full wing]

you cant do that

[serene jolt]

That's just taking the same fighting style twice

[woven flint]

Bonuses only stack if they're from different sources.

[serene jolt]

🤣

[burnt valley]

+14 from Tier 2 would be nuts

[serene jolt]

Grim Hollow advanced weapon proficiency can allow you to do that if you have the right stats.

[burnt valley]

Isn't that only for spells

[serene jolt]

But that's 3rd party

[woven flint]

No, it's for everything

[glass granite]

No, it’s for everything. Unless specified otherwise

[full wing]

imagine getting 3 attacks a level before fighter does

[glass granite]

Could be me

[woven flint]

The humble monk:

[glass granite]

Monk gaminggg

[full wing]

nick weapon amstery is fake

monks are also fake unfortuantly

the only real martial is fighter

[burnt valley]

Oki

[full wing]

once again the human fighter reigns supreme

[woven flint]

What'd you just say?!
NUGGET, HOLD ME BACK!!!

[glass granite]

Them some fighting words

[full wing]

them some fighters words

[glass granite]

I cast haste, go ham

[woven flint]

Bet

[full wing]

anyways artificer best class

[glass granite]

-# Breaks concentration

[burnt valley]

I cast Sleet Storm on Nugget

[hushed mason]

Noooooo! Poor chicken!

[glass granite]

How could you?!

[full wing]

medium armor prof and just infinite access to +1/+2 weapons AND +1 armor at early levels is crazy

[cerulean monolith]

Counterspell

[burnt valley]

Counterspell (I no longer have any reactions after this)

[glass granite]

Counterspell (my bard friend is very kind)

[woven flint]

CounterPUNCH!

[glass granite]

You can’t move, I broke concentration on haste

[burnt valley]

Noooo

[full wing]

counterspell (i paid 30 hirelings with counterspell to stand here)

[woven flint]

NUGGET?! Whyyy

[glass granite]

They took meta magic adept, it was subtle spelled

[glass granite]

You told me to hold you back, and I did!

[woven flint]

Imagine hasting your monk and just ending concentration
That's devious work

[glass granite]

Well, haste specifies they gotta be willing

[burnt valley]

You can do this on a deadweight character btw, its hilarious

[woven flint]

That's a red flag.

[glass granite]

That it is

[glossy mountain]

In 2014, no
In 2024, yes because they removed the combining game effects rule from the DMG

[burnt valley]

Yeah thats fair

[burnt valley]

I meant NPCs

[full wing]

they what

[glass granite]

At that point haste an ally PC, and have the deadweight be cannon fodder

[cinder timber]

Do you guys ever ask ai for ideas?

[cerulean monolith]

Rules from older books still apply if they are not contradicted or rewritten in a newer book

[glass granite]

I don’t

[burnt valley]

No no, it'll be for interrogation once they become willing

[burnt valley]

Dont do that

[cinder timber]

Oh u responded to me. I just realized that lol

[cerulean monolith]

No, because my players signed up to play in my game with my ideas. I’m perfectly capable of stealing ideas from other creatives without the help of a water-sucking technodemon

[full wing]

seems like bad design

forces new players to learn 2014 and 2024 rules

[cinder timber]

Ok, thanks for your input

[empty thicket]

Na, i am creative enough and honestly, sometimes picking up a "common" story and adapting it to your character is okey, if its well made

[spiral forge]

Hello! I’m a semi-new DM. I’ve ran some games but due to time restraints and kiddos I had to take a step back. I’m looking for a 4person group to possibly run a game with. I really enjoy the DM role. If anyone is interested HMU ☺️

[cerulean monolith]

Check out #find-a-game

[cinder timber]

Okay, I just want some remedies for writers block. I want to be creative but im not. My brain not built that way

[empty thicket]

Like, making a character that is simple can give you space to give your own creativity on it through the story.
"a wizard that want to understand better the world around him in a hunger of knowledge"
Something basic that can give you space to a lot of things

[cinder timber]

I was talking about dming not making a pc

[cerulean monolith]

There is no such thing as an amount of creativity a person has. The brain is a muscle, so when you do creative things, you get better at being creative, and likewise is true. In fact, this means that using AI to supplement your creative works will, in fact, make you worse at being creative.

So, consume and create creative media. That is the only way to get more creative.

[cinder timber]

Well, that does mean there is an amlunt. But, I get what you are saying.

[cerulean monolith]

I meant that there’s not an intrinsic amount. It’s a skill that fluctuates with use, not a static talent

[empty thicket]

Scroll through something, call it twitter, pinterest, etc. And use a mix of ideas you can get through all that.
If not, search something from some show//comic and use it like inspiration.

In this case for DM same thing
can be something basic like "There is bad guy that want to rule over the world" and the party must stop his evils plans.

Or can go for something deeper "The bad guy was betrayed by a kind and using that hatred he became a smart general that use his resources to slowly make a big plan and overtake//exterminate that kind in some sort of revenge".
Or again, inspirate from some shows//stuff.
Send teh party 500 years in the future (Samurai jack)
Make them became part of a group and then the leader betray them all (Berserk)
The party need money for living (konosuba)

If you want just tell me some points you want in that campaign and i might help you, i get some creative spikes sometimes

[high jolt]

I am going to be playing an illusionist wizard for a one shot. I will be level 10. What are some higher level non damaging spells I can cast illusions of? Been thinking of casting an illusion of a globe of invulnerability

[cosmic nimbus]

Hey I got a question

[fickle heart]

It depends what you mean by ideas, honestly. The extremely small amounts of times I use it, it's when I need a single spark for creativity, and the only reason I use it for that spark is because I have about 500 other assumptions in the background that need to be considered and I need random ideas that challenge my slump.

I would agree it's not at all helpful for actually getting better at creative thinking, though.

[empty thicket]

go for it, what is your doubt?

[cosmic nimbus]

So I’m making my third character, since I’m a bit new to D&D, and I’m wondering what everyone’s favorite class is? I’ve asked a good number of people and the class with the most votes is what I’m picking. Just from the basic lot

[solid echo]

what are you thoughts on a player asking for something their class doesnt normally get?

EX a barbarian wanting a fighting style

[empty thicket]

For me would be wizard, it have some epic spells, the whole idea of learning how to do magic by yourself is nice for me.
Variety and is in most of the times, simple to understand

And ngl, Sunburst, Ravenous Void, Dark star, time stop. Being someone that just know how to do it. (it kinda tickle a neuron)

[cosmic nimbus]

Thank you so much!

[pallid haven]

is fighter also good for newbies?

[burnt valley]

Wizard and Cleric

[empty thicket]

There isnt a feat that give you that? Fighting initiative?

[languid flower]

Fighter is good for everyone!

[empty thicket]

Yes, is simple to understand. But its too simple too, so is understandable the lack of "appeal" from it

[burnt valley]

It's just so fun to have so many options at your disposal, figuring out what works and what doesn't and figuring out spell synergies

[pallid haven]

i'm building a psi warrior kobold for it

[empty thicket]

More if the Dm dont kinda, "balance" the things.

[cosmic nimbus]

I appreciate you guys for answering my question

[undone fable]

its ok

[solid echo]

i mean more like a "hey DM could i start with unarmed fighting"

like is that a bad thing to ask for to start with

[empty thicket]

Yes, but being honest, is a small thing.
Yeah, the barbarian with rage will do more damage with his punches.
And? its for me a too lil thing

Isnt something strong like duelist, defense, etc.

If you want, you can give it but with a price on it. "Yes, i give you this but you must sacrifice X"

I dont feel its needed by such small thing, but might be wrong

[knotty pasture]

Usually its a no, multiclassing is right there if someone wants it

But house rules are house rules so its w/e

[undone fable]

house rules exist

[remote wadi]

Oh, and almost forgot to mention something

There were an unreal amount of nat 20s from my team
3 from initiative, 2 from ability checks, and 2 from combat crits

The funnier part about 2 of the initiative nat 20s was despite both of those in one combat, I still went first

[knotty pasture]

Right so you gave all your luck to them

[vapid scroll]

Imagine playing an Evoker in a political intrigue campaign.

It’s like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

[full wing]

alternatively a inquistor rogur in a meat grinder

[knotty pasture]

Evokers would be nice in those situations, you can now freely use aoe spells without outright killing innocents

[remote wadi]

"Gave", probably not the right word (implies choice. I need my luck too :< )

[knotty pasture]

Better everyone but you has good luck than you having good luck while everyone's stuck with nat 1s

[glass granite]

True

[knotty pasture]

At least they are pulling their weight in a twisted way

[glass granite]

Thank you for your…is charity the right word?

[vapid scroll]

I take it that the inquisitor is meant for intrigue campaigns?

[full wing]

ye pretty bad combatsubclass

[remote wadi]

Fair point. And hopefully, my build will start to loosely come together to make crits possible without being luck based

By the way, thoughts on investing in the various tool kits (3 main ones for now being thief, smith, and tinkerer)

(And on the note of luck, there's something funny about 2 nat 20s on initiative but still going first because 23 roll and modifer means going first)

[knotty pasture]

Crit fishing isn't as good as it should be

But its v satisfying to roll crits

[empty thicket]

Sometimes.... i had to roll for stats, i had for first time in my life a 4....
the dm was too nice and deleted that roll and let me reroll again

[knotty pasture]

Its a hot take but in games where I have to roll for stats, if I get below a certain threshold and can't reroll I'm auto leaving

[empty thicket]

i talk it out with the dm, he have me patience and let me do it because we are both good with each other.
We enjoy each other gaming and that feel nice. Still he understand that with a 4 in any stat i will just suffer

And i have enough being in a settling of stone era.
Something like Far cry Primal lets say

[light quail]

Hey yall...i just started playing today 😔😔😔

[glass granite]

Why so sad?

[empty thicket]

all got tpk?

[light quail]

Idkk im so nervous i practiced with my bf and it was so awkward

Atleast my ocs cute

[glass granite]

It’s normal to feel nervous at first

[light quail]

Its so confusing

[remote wadi]

It isn't, but having Chunky Crits with Assassin is my best (and possibly only) access to good consistent damage. There are options available, but are often available to others (Spike Growth), reliant on later levels (Sneak attack + rogue levels for scaling), or a bit too reliant on good luck (Favored Foe and Hunter's Mark: even worse are the resources burnt because I'm already out of spells from needing to use the other 2 to save our druid from death saves and the other to restrain someone running off with an important NPC)

[knotty pasture]

Crit fishing isn't as consistent as you think

[olive wasp]

Huh?

You know it actually; I love that

[knotty pasture]

Even all the magical items in the world would push you no further than needing a nat 10 minimum for a crit

[uncut sentinel]

Exactly

[gray granite]

how should i build my college of swords bard satyr

[olive wasp]

I also like it when they put a suction cup on my back so they can pull on it

[uncut sentinel]

lol

[gray granite]

2014

[knotty pasture]

Nat 14s is probably the level you'd get realistically late game, but that's like a 30% chance... Before that, you're most likely dealing with 10-15% chances for the majority of the game

Hardly an improvement, but its satisfying anyways

[remote wadi]

It isn't, but I'm looking into some options

Talking to my DM, firearms can exist in the campaign, but anything past a pistol or musket would need to be crafted via an artificer or with the help of an appropriate NPC

[knotty pasture]

I'm not commenting on firearms cuz that's another feat dedicated to it in the first place

I'll still redirect you back to tabletop builds

Cuz their builds didn't involve crit fishing but it works out anyways

[remote wadi]

Which is possible, thanks to the sizable amount of gemstones we got from the loot the bandit-esque enemies had, but i may need to talk to my party about what we plan to buy. I get we have about 3k GP worth, but we are not spending it on getting plate armor for the Fighter >_>

[knotty pasture]

I'm personally kind of crit fishing with my Gloom Stalker monoclass mostly cuz its funny to hit for like 70-80 damage on turn 1 if I even score a single crit with a nat 17

(As in 70-80 for 3 attacks)

[remote wadi]

Because either he's pulling on my leg or really doesn't know how expensive that is

[knotty pasture]

Dunno, don't really wanna comment on your teammates either lest we talk about how they suck again

Anyways tabletop builds

[remote wadi]

Mmm, they're doing pretty good from hearing more about them. They could stand to disengage a bit more, but can't complain

Anyways, a plan i have atm is investing in the proper kits and possibly working my way towards improving my musket more

Outside of investments like health potions, smithing for better armor for the team, and other supplies

[knotty pasture]

Tabletop builds.

[remote wadi]

Of course

Is there anything I should look out for while focusing largely on Rogue and Ranger?

[knotty pasture]

Just follow their builds

Hell join their server and then ask about your build since its easier to work with what you have than to ask for a full respec