dnd-discussion

[coarse ravine]

120 hp that can heal myself as a bonus action with tons of resistances and condition resistances.

Its only a cr 5. But a cr 5 that can also heal himself is different

[hot marlin]

Yeah and then the beholder is stuck keeping the anti magic cone in one place, on the hexblade. No more eye rays

[snow zephyr]

Shovels don't require proficiency to dig a pit

[coarse ravine]

But yes you cant get petrified is a hard counter to medusa like creatures

[unkempt roost]

They have 9 more

[crystal latch]

The beholder's only option to actually deal with you in a fog cloud will be to send in minions (kill those first obviously) or go in melee to make its terrible bite attack

[valid geyser]

Well then the warlock can’t do anything without walking into the zone either

[snow zephyr]

Or just use lair actions

[hot marlin]

You misunderstand, the warlock wants to be in the anti magic zone

[unkempt roost]

They would probably just fly away

[coarse ravine]

Does beholder have blindsight?

[crystal latch]

No

[coarse ravine]

Why?

[valid geyser]

How so?

[crystal latch]

Longbow

[snow zephyr]

Fly out of the area, open the door of blowing away fog clouds, then telekinesis the caster off a cliff

[coarse ravine]

In the anti-magic zone they cant use hexblade stuff

[crystal latch]

In the AMF you have a longbow and the beholder has nothing

[coarse ravine]

Longbow a hex weapon?

[crystal latch]

Therefore you win because only one side can harm the other at all

[snow zephyr]

Bite

[coarse ravine]

Longbow will be used normal not as a hex weapom

[valid geyser]

Yeah this seems to be at most a stalemate

[snow zephyr]

It has a pungee pit on its face

[hot marlin]

Because the hexblade creates a situation where they are either in the darkness, therefore immune to the eye rays, or in the anti magic zone, therefore immune to the eye rays. In both cases the hexblade then proceeds to pound the beholder with weapon attacks. Or with spells if within darkness

[snow zephyr]

It will down a warlock long before it'll lose a 1v1

[crystal latch]

2024 gave the beholder 20 extra feet of speed, that is true

[coarse ravine]

Cant use the hex weapons in anti-magic cone

[snow zephyr]

Fly+bite

[coarse ravine]

Can... but not with charisma.

[valid geyser]

Yeah beholders can still make a bunch of bites with its Legendary actions

[crystal latch]

2014 beholder just dies, 2024 beholder takes a bit of extra effort to kite its bite attacks

[hot marlin]

Does it matter? Use normal weapons then.

[snow zephyr]

Action economy favors the beholder

[valid geyser]

4 in lair. That’s 9 bites at 3d6+3. I think that can kill a level 6 pretty fast

[crystal latch]

i.e. buy a mount

[coarse ravine]

So then a fighter would be better

[snow zephyr]

In a 1v1

[proper forum]

I love Drows so much

[tawdry sentinel]

It's just gonna leave the fight tbh. It'll be in it's lair, and it's lair is going to be beholder biased lots of verticality and escape hatches.

[crystal latch]

Buying a mule as a small PC with Darkness up fixes this

[hot marlin]

The enemy retreating is still a win

[snow zephyr]

Why?

[coarse ravine]

I think his bite will outpace your non 18-20 charisma bow attack

[snow zephyr]

Or I suppose a better question is, in which setting

[unkempt roost]

Just wait until the beholder installs a proper ventilation system

[coarse ravine]

Dex like 14? So +5 to attack.

[proper forum]

They look so cool bro. Gray skin, white hair and red eyes. Pure aura. Also they're evil. And being evil is cool.

[hot marlin]

Not sure honestly. Its bite is not very impressive.

[crystal latch]

As long as the warlock isn't standing still it's a win

[snow zephyr]

I mean, the actions of the drow in the forgotten realms earned them eternal banishment to the underdark

[coarse ravine]

It's +8

With 3d6 +3.

[hot marlin]

As I said, unimpressive.

[valid geyser]

With legendary actions it’s a lot of damage

[crystal latch]

Mules are the answer

[unkempt roost]

Evil huh? Say hello to Mr. Mace

[hot marlin]

With the legendary action, yeah, that's another problem

[snow zephyr]

Tell him about per capita

[hot marlin]

Though it's only one legendary action since it's a duel

[coarse ravine]

Thats to say ya dont fail that paralyzing ray

[proper forum]

What did I just say about being evil?

[hot marlin]

There can be no paralyzing ray

[valid geyser]

That is true but that’s probably enough to outdamage the warlock if it’s an animatic zone slug fest

[coarse ravine]

You are putting beholders in a box. When they have so many other abilities

[coarse ravine]

How not?

[proper forum]

Villains are cool! It's just a fact.

[valid geyser]

Especially considering there’s no hex or damage spells in the field

[snow zephyr]

Wiping out an entire subspecies of elf, while a good thing at large, is still technically evil

[unkempt roost]

Getting rid of explicit evil

[hot marlin]

Because the warlock is either in darkness or in an antimagic area

[snow zephyr]

Pelenial Whitestrake was a hero

[proper forum]

Wrong franchise bud

[unkempt roost]

The bomb that kills all demons/devils

[snow zephyr]

The drow were victims of the golden elves, they then completely missed the target and burned out the moon elves

[proper forum]

Are we talking about D&D or elder Scrolls?

[snow zephyr]

I know where the character belongs in regards to franchise, but my point is that removing elves is generally heroic

[proper forum]

Uhhh no let them live

[coarse ravine]

So you are putting stipulations on tbe enemy?

[hot marlin]

What?

[hot marlin]

If you are referring to forgotten realms lore, that is not what happened during the crown wars

[proper forum]

Either way I will still love my gray skinned goats

[snow zephyr]

The crown wars are forgotten realms lore iirc

[proper forum]

Also they worship an evil spider goddess. Spiders are hella cool.

[hot marlin]

Yes they are. But it's not what happened during the wars

[unkempt roost]

That sounds like grounds enough for exterminatus

[coarse ravine]

Have you ever fought a beholder?

[snow zephyr]

The crown wars, yes. That's what they were about. The selunite wars were a different thing

[hot marlin]

Yes

[proper forum]

How many of my favorite franchises are you gonna mention next?

[hot marlin]

I was referring to your statement about "drows being victims of the golden elves" which is not what happened in the crown wars, if you were referring to them

[coarse ravine]

Ive fought 3 at once but with a party.... I just dont think a level 6 character. Warlock is gonna take it 1v1. If you get paralyzed thats alot of crit damage coming your way

[kindred olive]

Hey everyone ! Hope y'all doing great. I ain't sure it's the right place ot ask this, but I wondered, what was the time difference between CoS and shadow of the dragon queen ? Thanks ! 🙂

[hot marlin]

What I am saying is that the warlock will not be paralyzed because the beholder will not be able to target it with its eye rays.

[coarse ravine]

How do you figure that?

[snow zephyr]

The drow were originally attacked by the sun elves during the first crown war, the second and onwards was because the illithari got addicted to demon magic

[proper forum]

If CoS is curse of Strahd, they are entirely different campaigns

[hot marlin]

Did you follow the beginning of the conversation? The thing I have been saying since the beginning of that subject? That the warlock will either be in darkness or in antimagic

[kindred olive]

Hey, yes I know that ! But a player of my table asked me if one took place before the other

[snow zephyr]

They invaded elf Poland and burned it to the ground

[coarse ravine]

How is that already established?

Darkness is what 20 foot radius?

[limber linden]

Guys im confused how do u find campaigns here release me

[coarse ravine]

Beholder darkness or warlocks darkness casting?

[snow zephyr]

That would be rise of tiamet and the dragon queen

And also descent into avernus, but that's neither here nor there

[kindred olive]

So if I understand correctly, it's kinda complicated to say which takes place before or after the other for they are not in the same realm ?

[hot marlin]

That is absolutely not what happened. While the Aryvandaar kingdom of sun elf did attack several of its neighbours in a bid for world domination, the Illythir kingdom of dark elves was not among the ones attacked and in fact were going for their own world domination plot. Certainly the Aryvandaar were war criminals, but so were the Illythiri who were not the victims of the Aryvandaari

[proper forum]

Okay so the drow invaded Poland killing the Blood Elves but then got annexed by Pelinal Whitestrake who got the inquisition to carry out an exterminatus?

[limber linden]

And i get ignored

[coarse ravine]

It can use its eyes 3 times a turn

[hot marlin]

#find-a-game

[limber linden]

I dont get it

[hot marlin]

And the warlock is either in darkness or in antimagic, therefore the eye rays are negated

[valid geyser]

Which don’t work in the field but also don’t work if the target isn’t visible

[coarse ravine]

If it rolls higher initiative then... yes its gonna try to paralyze you

[snow zephyr]

Moon elves*

[valid geyser]

I’m honestly pretty flabbergasted beholders don’t have truesight

[limber linden]

Bro what the hell are yall talking about

[coarse ravine]

.... how are we rulling already in darkness?

[proper forum]

If you click that link it will take you to a channel where people look for campaigns?

[hot marlin]

That was the premice of the entire thing

[severe rampart]

That channel contains all channels that involve finding a game

[limber linden]

Mb im dymb

[severe rampart]

if you're a player and want to find a game, go to #looking-for-players

[limber linden]

Im just a babeh man

[snow zephyr]

The moon elves caught a stray for not condemning the golden elves

[severe rampart]

Just remember to read the details in the posts

[stuck shuttle]

The channel also has the instruction on how to make posts of your own

[proper forum]

The ones in Summerset right?

[coarse ravine]

You dont arrive to initiative already in darkness. Unless its some sort of surprise round etc

[snow zephyr]

The illithari did get hooked on the demon magic they used to purge the moon elves

[tawdry sentinel]

Beholders don't choose the eye ray you roll a dice for it.

You block the vision, a beholder is pretty wet. It's own anti magic cone blocks it's eye beams.

It's also super intelligent and very paranoid so would have countermeasures for this very well known weakness in it's lair.

[hot marlin]

That one is fine, sure

[proper forum]

You confused me so yes I will confuse you more because it's entertaining

[hot marlin]

Which of the crown wars are you talking about?

The first?

[snow zephyr]

The Crown Wars after hours, I think it was either round two or three

[hot marlin]

Because Illythiir was not involved in the first crown war.

[proper forum]

Bro I just said I like drows because they look edgy and cool how did we get here?

[snow zephyr]

Through the magic of lore books and autism

[coarse ravine]

Drows have some of the most history in dnd

[hot marlin]

In the second crown war they did attack the moon elf kingdom of Orishaar, but they did not "catch a stray", they were allies of Aryvandaar.

[proper forum]

Well too bad I know next to none of it

[coarse ravine]

When mentioning drows you will have alot of topics because of their long history.

[snow zephyr]

They didn't fight on their side iirc, they just didn't speak against them

[hot marlin]

Illythiir was supporting Miyeritar by attacking the allies of Aryvandaar, that's normal

[coarse ravine]

Its some of the most complex history written.

I honestly think drow lore goes deeper then like 90% of other lores out there

[snow zephyr]

It's also written from several different viewpoints because they had to sell books somehow

[proper forum]

I know they're evil okay?? But I like that. I don't care that they're evil.

[hot marlin]

They were military allies. When you're at war with someone, it is perfectly normal to attack their allies.

[coarse ravine]

Its not just that or that in particular. It's the lore behind them

[snow zephyr]

I mean, there's a difference between attacking a military target and using demon magic to wipe out a subspecies of elf

There's an argument in there somewhere that the drow were justified and that the sentencing of the entire drow subspecies was unfair

[hot marlin]

The illythir did commit a horrific series of war crimes during their attack on Orishaar, yes.

[snow zephyr]

And then there's the birth of the dark selunite pantheon
#bewhatyouareandgowhereyoumust

[hot marlin]

The what.

[coarse ravine]

Simply enough when mentioning drow people will bring up the lore because in dnd. Let's treat dnd like a book. The drow chapter would be one of if not the biggest chapter in dnd.

[hot marlin]

Wait, the dark seldarine?

[snow zephyr]

Seldarine, don't know where I was getting selunite

Ah, BG3 brainrot

[proper forum]

My current character isa drow and she heavily plays into the evil part. She is mean, arrogant, boastful, and especially mean to anyone who isn't a lolth-sworn drow.

[snow zephyr]

They made like 40 books total, including the drizzt books

[coarse ravine]

Im just glad you made your drow a she

Cause male drows are betas.

[snow zephyr]

Wait. I forgot they made rules books too

[proper forum]

Funny how in both D&D and Elder Scrolls the dark elves are more fleshed out than all the other races

[coarse ravine]

I think the drows are even more fleshed out then the dragons

Could be wrong.....

[naive cedar]

seldarine and selunite sound similar tbf

[snow zephyr]

It's really funny that a plausible interpretation of the translation of "drow" is basically "traitoro"

[proper forum]

She is in love with her patron, who is male. Wether or not he is a drow is... debatable.

[snow zephyr]

Even though the most direct enemy of shar is technically mystra

[coarse ravine]

Male drows usually get turned into spider breeds. Or monstrosity looking things

[naive cedar]

That is true actually

[snow zephyr]

We could always do with mystra death #3 or #4

[burnt valley]

Mystra is the true enemy of everyone in Faerun

[naive cedar]

Although I’d argue the real enemy of sharrans is their obsession with taking Ls

[naive cedar]

wait this is also true

[snow zephyr]

Shar is the biggest enemy of her followers

[serene jolt]

Me getting excited that my 2014 War Cleric gets Crusader's Mantle at level 5, then remembering my party consists of a monk, a sorcerer, and a caster warlock. 😭

Might as well just use spirit guardians.

[burnt valley]

Mystra makes Cyric look like Martin Luther King

[naive cedar]

I wonder how Shar even attracts followers honestly

[snow zephyr]

I mean, of the dead 3 you're probably better of dealing with cyric because it'll at least be over fast

[rugged hawk]

Several of the evil gods are their own biggest hindrances, both to themselves and their followers. Shar and Lolth being the top two, followed by... let's say Bhaal, Umberlee, Talos, and Gargauth (being the god of betrayal)

[snow zephyr]

Or am I thinking of bhaal

[naive cedar]

Wait Cyric isn’t dead three

[burnt valley]

Mah

[snow zephyr]

Cyric, bhaal, and the other one

[burnt valley]

Its Bhaal, Myrkul and Bane

[hot marlin]

No but he's part of the reason they're dead

[naive cedar]

Yep

[jovial shadow]

“ Did you follow the beginning of the conversation?” Who does that? LOL

[snow zephyr]

Ah, dude I have trouble keeping the proper noun slurry straight

[proper forum]

We've yet to meet a male Drow in our campaign. In fact we've met our first other drow, and she's female. If he was male, my character would've flirted with him.

[rugged hawk]

Imagine needing proper context to participate in a convo

[naive cedar]

who is the coolest evil god

[rugged hawk]

Velsharoon

[snow zephyr]

Probably the Lord of Slimes, Juiblex

[vagrant quartz]

hello

[proper forum]

Meph- I mean Lolth

[rugged hawk]

No.

Also, Ghaunadaur > Jubilex

[coarse ravine]

Lolth dont like male drows. They are like hyena higharchy real betas in their community

[jovial shadow]

Loki

[vagrant quartz]

my cat

[naive cedar]

wrong mythology m8

[hot marlin]

If you have something to say, say it clearly.

[proper forum]

That doesn't mean she can't be freaky

[snow zephyr]

Didn't he literally kneecap his own divine power by making the oozes that follow him no more intelligent than animals?

[naive cedar]

Lolth is freaky but not in a fun way

[snow zephyr]

Lolth is less deviantart and more LiveLeak

[rugged hawk]

Pretty sure that was a side effect, not something he did intentionally

[coarse ravine]

Lolth is beyond freaky. Lots and lots and lots of freaky freak lore

[snow zephyr]

No, he did it on purpose

[naive cedar]

ehhh I think Bhaal is more liveleak

[jovial shadow]

Were you asking in general or for a specific lore?

[naive cedar]

in dnd

[snow zephyr]

But you can't talk about lolth without talking about the bootstrap theory of the abyss

[rugged hawk]

Ah, yep:

According to Lolth, "Ghaunadaur was old even before Ao's time."[18] He was a very ancient deity, rumored to have emerged from the primordial ooze itself. In that age, it was worshiped by the largest of slimes and other crawling creatures, many of which contained an alien intelligence. In a rage over some unknown transgression, however, Ghaunadaur struck most of them mad and took their intellects. As an unforeseen result, many of these worshipers ceased to exist, which caused the Elder Eye's power to collapse.[3]

[proper forum]

See that's why I love the Drow

[jovial shadow]

OK then loki.

[snow zephyr]

He figuratively shot himself in the foot, he literally stole the thing that enabled his godhood in the first place

[rugged hawk]

It didn't matter, ultimately, because he regained power aeons later when new worshippers of him appeared.

[cinder temple]

boy do i love my kensei blunderbuss :D

[snow zephyr]

But not before Juiblex claimed the oozes. It may have been slimes

[hot marlin]

Obviously and unarguably Auril

[proper forum]

I love evil spider goddesses

[rugged hawk]

Also, let's be real, if slimes still had intellect, they'd be prime bard targets for charm spells

[hot marlin]

Wait, does Cryonax count as a god?

[snow zephyr]

Idk, he crashes on demogorgan's couch now

[coarse ravine]

Lolth uses sensuality as a tool for manipulation and power, though her true form is demonic, and she promotes female dominance, not equality.

[snow zephyr]

Thank you for this god awful mental picture, I now must go bleach my mind's eye

[proper forum]

I know. I just said I love evil freaky gods.

[snow zephyr]

Lolth is just discount LotR spider woman

[coarse ravine]

I see lolths lore and I just think to myself.... females would make the best rogues easily

[rugged hawk]

🎵 *Slime girl taverns, dancing bards, mimic tables, just another day in Faerun~ *

[snow zephyr]

Names are hard today

[wintry spindle]

DnD has stuff based on LotR? What crazy

[naive cedar]

Lolth is almost as big a loser as Shar

[snow zephyr]

Sabbat or something like that

[naive cedar]

Saturnday

[snow zephyr]

Shelob

[hot marlin]

The BG3 takes are really getting out of hand

[wintry spindle]

I wonder how well the citizens of Faerun actually know the gods. 42 gods is a lot to keep track of

[stoic obsidian]

My kind of day in faerun

[coarse ravine]

Oh they are talking bg3?

[naive cedar]

I thought shar was a loser long before bg3

[hot marlin]

Apparently, with stuff like "Shar is a loser" or "Mystra is bad"

[snow zephyr]

I only recently started playing BG3, I've been DM-ing for over a decade

Mystra has always sucked

[coarse ravine]

I mean how many different "Gods" do people worship in real life.

[coarse ravine]

Im still in act 1 so idk

[wintry spindle]

True. But I think it would be similar to greeks woshipping the pantheon

[snow zephyr]

Shar used to just be an afterthought

[naive cedar]

also this. currently Mystra isn’t even that bad

[snow zephyr]

Her top champion spot is a blood sport title

[hot marlin]

People worship gods that are relevant to their lives. You worship Chauntea during a harvest festival, you worship Lathander during the spring festival, you worship Selune during eclipses, you worship Umberlee before embarking on a ship

[snow zephyr]

She's the blood god but for magic

[hot marlin]

Priests obviously are different

[coarse ravine]

So.... shar is essentially Knull? From marvel

[naive cedar]

Yeah that’s how it worked in most polytheistic societies

[snow zephyr]

No, mystra. The Magister is literally a death bound title

[coarse ravine]

Knull cant really die he just can get cast away with light.

[snow zephyr]

You take it off the corpse of the last guy who had it

[naive cedar]

let’s not even get into chosen of mystra

[coarse ravine]

Seeing shar is god of darkness id say knull and shar are the same. Minus the symbiotes

[snow zephyr]

Ah yes, the children she "mentors"

[hot marlin]

That has literally only happened twice

[naive cedar]

Is knull the marvel rivals dude

[snow zephyr]

Mystra wasn't even willing to share with karsus

[hot marlin]

That was not Mystra

[snow zephyr]

Mystara or mystral or whomever

[hot marlin]

Knull is a deity relatively recently created by Marvel. The alien god responsible for the symbiotes, among other things.

[snow zephyr]

One of the incarnations

[naive cedar]

Like I said the current mystra isn’t even that bad

[crystal latch]

Karsus did nothing wrong

[snow zephyr]

She tried to kill off helm because he was playing his AO assigned role of "bouncer to heaven"

[crystal latch]

Also yeah, current Mystra is an improvement from the last two

[coarse ravine]

Knull cannot be defeated essentially. Silver surfer "beat" him before by bringing the sun to him. However that just makes him go away not defeated or death. His lore is basically He was here before the big bang and gods etc. So he didn't like all the gods ruining his empty void. So he became the "God killer"

But never knew of "shar" but seeing how they both rule darkness then yeah

[hot marlin]

Mystryl is the name. And whether or not she was willing to share divinity with Karsus does not matter. She did not die preventing Karsus from being a god, she died trying to put out the fire Karsus set over the weave by trying to become one.

[naive cedar]

yeah hence why I don’t even dislike current Mystra/bg3 mystra that much

[snow zephyr]

Spellplauge? In my weave?

[hot marlin]

And Mystra did not try to kill of Helm, she tried to force him to let her pass and speak to Ao because she tried to end the chaos that had taken over the realm, claiming thousands of lives, by telling him who actually stole his tablets

[snow zephyr]

She tried to fight him to the death

[naive cedar]

Mystra said let me speak to the manager

[snow zephyr]

And helm said "guess what, I am the manager"

[rugged hawk]

Pretty sure Ao knew the whole time who stole them, he just wanted to make a point.

[hot marlin]

No, Ao did not actually know, that is well established

[crystal latch]

Current Mystra is still complicit in concealing Daurgothoth and allowing him to become an ever greater threat

[rugged hawk]

Oh. So... why didn't she just tell Helm and have him pass it on?

[jovial shadow]

I stop reading Marvel comics somewhere in the 2000s when The storylines started to become ridiculous. Too many new God like cosmic creatures and other established great cosmic creatures were being treated like they were Second rate monsters

[snow zephyr]

AO then went on to update the godhood TOS

[hot marlin]

She is goddess of magic and Daurgothoth broke none of the laws she was supposed to enforce. In fact he is a dedicated, talented archmage, the sort that she is supposed to support

[snow zephyr]

Comics started to die off for the same reasons the movies are going down the drain

[naive cedar]

the mcu ruined marvel

[snow zephyr]

Marvel ruined marvel, but that's not D&D until we get an inevitable crossover

[hot marlin]

Actually I think Marvel were the publishers of the D&D comics back in the day

[naive cedar]

Didnt marvels old animation company make the dnd cartoon

[snow zephyr]

Wearing the Dungeon Master costume while I'm DM-ing as a sign of legitimacy

[umbral girder]

That was DC then IDW last I checked

[jovial shadow]

The way things are going for Hasbro, D&D can only hope that Disney considers buying them

[hot marlin]

My bad then

[snow zephyr]

We can only hope that they get sold to a bunch of geeks

[hot marlin]

That would probably be the worst thing to happen to D&D since Lauraine Williams

[rugged hawk]

....why would you think Disney would IMPROVE D&D?

[snow zephyr]

A Disney D&D would just be gross defilement of a corpse

[scarlet marsh]

Monkey's paw curls

[naive cedar]

Hasbro is not getting bought by anyone lol

[snow zephyr]

It's the son of Gygax and fatal gets made canon

[hot marlin]

Disney is weird. Like every company, it's in the business of making money but they want to pretend like that's not what they are doing. The result is a series of extremely safe products meant to offend nobody, as a result of having no artistic value

[naive cedar]

oh my god fatal

[hot marlin]

So yeah, Disney D&D is not something I want to see

[rugged hawk]

Then they've already failed by offending every actual Star Wars fan

[naive cedar]

Disney was always a soulless corporation but they used to at least allow talented people the ability to make good products

[jovial shadow]

I didn't want to see Disney buy Lucas Films but here we are

[rugged hawk]

Also, that live action Mermaid movie was garbage

[umbral girder]

Notably Karsus had nothing to do with the Spellplague as well also Helm also didn’t have anything to do with it either.

That was Cyric.

[naive cedar]

Hot take but as a Star Wars fan EA makes me more upset than Disney

Not that I like Disney

[snow zephyr]

You member the ttrpg?

[hot marlin]

Cyric is god of strife. He is doing his duty well.

[umbral girder]

Karsus did his own thing and Helm was during the Time of Troubles

[snow zephyr]

I 'member

[naive cedar]

Which one?

[snow zephyr]

The star wars ones

[naive cedar]

There was three

[unkempt roost]

Trying to make a product for everybody ends up making a product for no one

[hot marlin]

The worst that could happen would be a Disney+ D&D show. And I for one am sick to death of seeing Pedro Pascal everywhere

[snow zephyr]

As much as I don't like the 2024 rules D&D at least tries to maintain a semblance of its identity

[rugged hawk]

And that's how 5E was born

[jovial shadow]

Who is Pedro Pascal?

[umbral girder]

An actor

[hot marlin]

Actor. Was in game of thrones, last of us, the mandalorian, the fantastic four, gladiator II...

[hollow stone]

fr tho when is someone gonna dig up The Ancient Lores and find out he's a direct descendant of The First Evil or smth so we don't have to see Disney putting the same moderately attractive man in every universe and franchise they have

[umbral girder]

Pedro Pascal as Kas the Bloody Handed when? /jk

[snow zephyr]

He's the guy who got typecast as the guy who shepherds a particular individual across a wasteland of some kind

[vagrant quartz]

quick question, i came here since i'm obsessing over dnd on so many lvls and i wanted to stop bothering my dm, was it a good idea?

[naive cedar]

I mean dnds identity is at least partially based around the fan community

[hot marlin]

Yeah but that's not usually a good thing

[vagrant quartz]

i have 2 questions about dnd beyond, do i just ask them here or is there an appropiate channel?

[snow zephyr]

The game suffers for all the podcasts and studio style D&D

[jovial shadow]

It depends on what parts of the community they are trying to appease

[hot marlin]

Fan communities when allowed to grow on their own term and without challenges, become spaces that end opposing actual artistic work, as we've seen in Star Wars

[naive cedar]

That’s actually true honestly

[snow zephyr]

The "toxic fans" defense has largely been rendered hollow by companies that churn out slop

[naive cedar]

I mean I’m not defending the companies but rhe Star Wars fandom really is awful and I say this as a Star Wars fan

[hollow stone]

this is very true, yea. people obsess over the aestheticism and forget any and all of the actual messaging of the franchise and wind up worshipping the very literal thing the media is criticizing, like how Call Of Duty's entire point is war is bad and yet it raised an entire generation of war hungry folks who read nothing

[hot marlin]

Two things can be true at once. Companies do churn out slop, and fan communities are toxic

[naive cedar]

It’s kind of surprising just how bad the Star Wars fandom has gotten in the past fifteen years. It used to be less awful or maybe I’m just nostalgic

[naive cedar]

wait that was the point of call of duty? Thats not the impression I got lol (I agree with your general point though)

[soft birch]

Warhammer

[naive cedar]

I wasn’t going to say anything but YES this is a perfect example. See also: fallout

[snow zephyr]

Companies were handed the toxic fans excuse and they use it as a shield against legitimate criticism of artistic works

[naive cedar]

Although tbh if you ignore those people the Warhammer community is very chill in my experience

[hot marlin]

Nowadays there are some franchises where you can't even cast a person who is ever so slightly tanned without some the fans crying that wokeness is destroying the world. They may be helped by grifters, certainly, but the fan communities are receptive to this.

[jovial shadow]

You guys keep using the word toxic, so it sounds like you have a mutual understanding of what that means as far as fans. Could you give me an example?

[naive cedar]

This is also true but the fans will also use this as a springboard to go completely overboard with criticizing bad media and shield themselves from criticism of their behaviour as well. It’s just a bad situation all around

[snow zephyr]

There's also the issue of hypocritical virtue signaling in the media

[hot marlin]

Once there is a sense of in-group all you have to do is give the group the sense that they are under attack

[naive cedar]

Harassing actors on Twitter because they didn’t like the movie they were in

[snow zephyr]

This take fails to take into account the grifters on both sides

[hot marlin]

It does not, it takes it into account.

[naive cedar]

I agree, and also, the fans completely ignore the obvious signs that grifters are grifting (not knowing basic facts about the media in question)

[hot marlin]

The fact that there are some of both sides changes nothing to the take.

[snow zephyr]

Because there are those who do go out of their way to inflame the issue by attacking neutral parties

[hollow stone]

i thought it was? like "hey look at all of these terrible, terrifying events! all in the name of God and country! isn't that terrible? "

[snow zephyr]

Edited for redundancy

[naive cedar]

there’s definitely people on both sides who do that but the biggest content creating grifters are always the ones freaking out about the media

[snow zephyr]

I'd say it's the grifters on the creative teams that know they're making something controversial

[naive cedar]

and then the corporations react in the most soulless and condescending way imaginable ajd make it worse

[hot marlin]

I think we're drifting away from D&D

[snow zephyr]

The intentional baiting and shifting to paint fans as horrible, irredeemable people.

[naive cedar]

we are

[snow zephyr]

It happens with D&D too

[naive cedar]

dnd isn’t even that bad in this regard imo

[snow zephyr]

combat wheelchair

[naive cedar]

star wars and marvel are the worst

[jovial shadow]

Are you sure?

[naive cedar]

In comparison to Star Wars? Yes

[lyric viper]

Might need to refocus a bit here. What's the D&D topic?

[snow zephyr]

Whether or not the elements of the creative works from Hasbro WotC are unnecessarily inflammatory

[harsh gulch]

dude you dont know

[snow zephyr]

Specifically whether D&D has stuff in it that's probably best made by third parties instead of the main company

[hot marlin]

I have never seen anything from WotC be inflammatory, necessarily or not

[snow zephyr]

And the fanbase response to those materials

[naive cedar]

genuine question: what fandoms are worse in that regard? feel free to dm me if youd rather discuss it that way

[mellow idol]

hi everyone, me and my family want's to play dnd, but we don't have any money currently, i wanted to ask, is there a way that i can 3d print everything that i need to play?

[hushed mason]

Fourth Edition?

[snow zephyr]

cough cough Pinkerton

[naive cedar]

Same honestly. I disagree with some of the changes in 2024 but none of them seem inflammatory to me

[hollow stone]

oh unnecessarily inflammatory? easily the grung. like there is no need, rhyme, or reason for the frog people to live in a racially segregated caste system

[mellow idol]

i never played before, and i would love to

[lyric viper]

...Uh... Huh. Okay. Might need to be a bit more specific on the what and how and why there. There can be some conversation- certainly over time the game has been kept alive hugely by fans and third party creators who can focus on the more niche and specific interests of the community.

[hushed mason]

From Madama Butterfly?

[hot marlin]

Oh actual corporate practices, not the content of the product?

[naive cedar]

Thats hasbro and it wasnt even dnd related although ngl im shocked that the pinkertons still exist

[snow zephyr]

Either or, but sending in what amounts to PMC groups to reclaim what I recall to be the D&D card set was definitely one of the decisions that was made by WotC

[valid geyser]

I think wotc has made a handful of disappointing products, and there hasn’t been much that’s truly knocked my socks off in recent years (at best it’s pretty good) but I also don’t have enough third party experience to truly say if they’re making better stuff

[snow zephyr]

I'm gonna say it, WotC likes the controversy because it gets them free press

[naive cedar]

thats every company tbh

[hot marlin]

No, the Pinkerton Detective Agency is a group with an unsavory brutal and racist history, and Hasbro once famously contracted them about a copyright issues. It was just the law department, I don't think they beat people to death any longer.

[lyric viper]

I'd disagree there as someone who has to mod such.

[snow zephyr]

And it's easy to sell D&D when you push it through all those channels

[uncut sentinel]

What did the owlbear say to the hobgoblin?

[valid geyser]

Maybe for like, adventures? I remember some pretty good third party prewrittens but wotc is probably wanting to get out of the module game in favor of anthologies

[hot marlin]

It was the law department of the Pinkertons. Not their thugs.

All they did was write a letter.

[snow zephyr]

#rememberludlow

[woven flint]

Ciao, friends!
I hope you're all doing well

[jovial shadow]

That press doesn't seem to be converting into revenue because Hasbro's figures have been in the red for years. At some point hard decisions are gonna have to be made.

[naive cedar]

btw pinkertons were the bad guys in rdr2 and actually sent a cease and desist to rockstar

[valid geyser]

From what I heard it was some guys going up and being sort of threatening to a guy but it’s been multiple years

[hot marlin]

While I do agree that any form of dealing with the Pinkertons is unethical, let's not turn this story into more than it is

[lyric viper]

But, focusing on the content- Settings, splatbooks, more focus content has always been one of those gambles. It was listed as one of the reasons that sank 2e, and one of the reasons wotc went with the OGL- allowing third parties to focus and caryr the weight of those more focused content really helped.

[snow zephyr]

Yeah, they made a gamble as to the controversy for getting press and it didn't pan out like they hoped

[naive cedar]

i dont think dnd is ending any time soon if thats what your implying

[uncut sentinel]

The future is p clear based on MtG and how other revenue streams are done: microtransactions and gamba. DNDBeyond will eventually have some blend of this to the maximum extent possible.

[snow zephyr]

Dark Sun is the "wrong" kind of controversial for selling books

[hot marlin]

Again, when has WotC ever purposefully used controversy to sell books?

[valid geyser]

My prediction which I’m not super confident on is that wotc could just shut down the d&d division and completely focus on magic while licensing out the production of new d&d book to someone else

[uncut sentinel]

Someone take up my position with a scrutinous lens. C'mon.

[snow zephyr]

This would probably be the "good" ending

[lyric viper]

Grung are actually TSR! They started in 2e. Although 5e could have examined them further when they brought them back in.

[hot marlin]

While Hasbro's practices are the usual unsavory corporation dealings, WotC has spent the last decade trying to be as safe as possible

[valid geyser]

With is trying and mostly failing to squeeze extra money out of d&d with things like sigil

[snow zephyr]

Hey, mtg is legally distinct from gambling and so is D&D.

[uncut sentinel]

So are elections, but it happens anyway. Doesn't matter.

[naive cedar]

yeah mtg is not comparableto gacha games imo

[valid geyser]

Could be good or bad. I’d love to see a fresh new team try and make a 6e but it could also just be eternally pumping out mediocre 5e content

[rugged hawk]

No it isn't, MTG is literal lootboxes

[snow zephyr]

It's something to do with consistency in rares and some such iirc

But D&D doesn't use blind boxes or any such stuff

[naive cedar]

dnd is definitely not gambling

[uncut sentinel]

Just wait.

[lyric viper]

We're getting off topic again- we'll need to try and reign this in, or this conversation is going to derail.

[snow zephyr]

Wait. The official minis do though, through wizkids

[uncut sentinel]

The day will come, and I will be here to type: Told ya so.

[lyric viper]

Goodness.

[rugged hawk]

I mean, that sounds like an excellent one-shot for a trolley problem adventure, honestly.

[snow zephyr]

The only way to get most tanar'ri is through blind boxes or through "legally obtained STLs"

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: Did you know that some of the demon lords are older than the multiverse?

[worldly flare]

How does that even work?

[rugged hawk]

Remember, Ghaunadaur is even older than AO.

[hot marlin]

They're from a previous reality

[uncut sentinel]

Or just say: Oh this? From the Far Realm. Predates everything. Weird ain't it?

[severe rampart]

So, like Lich from AT, before time, before there was anything, there were Demon Lords?

[lyric viper]

I love getting out my Ghaunadaur/EEG/Tharizdun/Jubilex conspiracy board.

[hot marlin]

Yeah but that's kind of meaningless. We don't know how old Ao is.

Even if he did create Realmspace, other worlds are known to be older than the realms

[uncut sentinel]

I don't bother with conspiracy boards. I recycle them instead.

[crystal latch]

Obyriths are funny

[lyric viper]

Mine has red string that goes in spirals and pins to images that make my eyes hurt.

[jovial shadow]

I could think of A few just not their titles right now. But for press exposure I would guess the most recent tweet they put out. They had a picture of a happy beholder and a bunch of other stuff going on in the background that lit Twitter up

[hot marlin]

In what world is a happy beholder with stuff in the background purposefully controversial?

[uncut sentinel]

It's not difficult to generate controversy. Just do dumb, incompetent shit at a corporate level. Result: outrage.

[lyric viper]

Whoah, pump your breaks there.

[hushed mason]

I think there's probably a historical precident for them trying to avoid controversy rather than courting it.

[lyric viper]

That image wasn't controversial it just upset homophobes.

Which is fine.

They can be upset all they like.

And we'll keep rolling our dice and playing regardless.

[uncut sentinel]

Who are you talking to?

[hot marlin]

As grandma Incubus used to say "The outrage of the idiots is the bark of a toothless dog."

[uncut sentinel]

My sentence is a generality.

[olive wasp]

There’s a lotta shtuff going on here

[remote wadi]

So

2 of my teammates got a nat 20 on initiative

[hot marlin]

She also said "You should rip the tongue of that dog out, open its belly and bathe in its guts" but Grandma Incubus was a bit of a weirdo

[rugged hawk]

That kind of underestimation is what led to beheadings of nobles in France.

[hushed mason]

I'm not sure they were referring to your comment.

[olive wasp]

👁️👁️ uhhhhh

[naive cedar]

homophobes get upset when theres a gay kiss in the background of a disney movies. who cares what they think

[uncut sentinel]

Hm. Confuzzled.

[remote wadi]

Right off the bat

Funnier still was me still going first in initiative

[hot marlin]

Yeah I think Grandma Incubus was kind of a bad person

[naive cedar]

grandma incubus?

[hushed mason]

Oh hi, @remote wadi ! When do you play?

[severe rampart]

Used all of the dice luck already

[undone fable]

Dnd is an interesting game

[olive wasp]

Truth nova

[lyric viper]

Lich King's comment on the 'controversial Beholder image'.

[hushed mason]

We're all eager to hear how this week turns out.

[severe rampart]

That is... a pretty good description

[uncut sentinel]

D&D has no agency. It's the end users that make it, or any product, what it is.

[jovial shadow]

Why me? I was just answering that person's question.

[hot marlin]

Actually what led to those beheadings were a lot of complex sociopolitical events

[olive wasp]

He has no rules no boundaries, he laughs in the face of torture

[uncut sentinel]

If you're Icy, where's Hot? Did you forget your brother in the mall again?

[lyric viper]

And i was pointing out that example wasn't controversial. Or at least, not any type of controversy that actually has any legs or should be listened to.

[olive wasp]

Hot likes to be alone in their room I tend not to bother them

[unkempt roost]

Just because you don't agree with the opposing side doesn't mean it wasn't controversial

[olive wasp]

Eats up all my wood though

[hushed mason]

Perhaps the fact that they're still using Twitter at all is the controversy?

[lyric viper]

There has been content throughout D&Ds history that deserves discussion and reviewal.

But being upset that there is gay people in D&D is not 'controversy'. That is silly.

[uncut sentinel]

Stop. You're about to make me grind an axe. Don't do it.

D:

[minor cargo]

To echo an above I don’t necessarily see WOTC using controversy to sell books.

But I DEFINITELY see people (independent content creators) trying to extend the controversy to sell views on Rumble, etc.

[jovial shadow]

I know. In my comment I said there were several but I can't remember the titles. I only mentioned the one on Twitter because it was the most recent one

[olive wasp]

A sharpened axe is better for cutting trees

[hot marlin]

What even is the controversy here? A happy beholder?

[severe rampart]

Unless it's a battle axe

[olive wasp]

Don we now our gay apparel

[uncut sentinel]

Trees are what I think I'll be using to lay low murder hobos from now on, great accidental idea there, chap. Oh you like indiscriminate slaughter? So do this CR 15 Tree Monstrosity that just woke up and only dislikes you.

[olive wasp]

I’d argue that it would still be better at cutting trees if sharpened

[remote wadi]

If anything, they are getting way too lucky all the time

I only got a 15 on initiative, but the +8 bonus meant beating the 22 and the 23

[snow zephyr]

The only valid issue to take with any of it is the corporate use of token characters which in and of itself is a form of discrimination

[blissful dragon]

is that the behold big lugi from the rock of brall?

[hot marlin]

Which token characters? A beholder?

[naive cedar]

tbf the word controversy means that the public is largely split down the middle on a topic. a few people being upset about something isnt a controversy imo

[remote wadi]

Wizard got another nat 20 on Fire Bolt

[olive wasp]

I begin singing the song “let it grow” word for word in an attempt to persuade it

[naive cedar]

i always have a token beholder wym

[lyric viper]

Ah, we need more bodly LGBTQ+ characters. I see. Yes. Good.

[severe rampart]

Is it online or in person?

[remote wadi]

Online

[lyric viper]

I for one think we need Jarlaxle to kiss Entreri. We will make this happen.

[blissful dragon]

i love big lugi they where a fun char when my dm ran spell jammer

[uncut sentinel]

Giant Tree burps, uses 1 Per Round Ability "Immutable Sap," and slowly, inevitably absorbs you.

[snow zephyr]

Yes, not just the few tokens WotC wants to dangle in front of fans as a "hey, we support this group of people if you buy our stuff"

[severe rampart]

How do you roll dice? Do you see their screen or what?

[olive wasp]

It’s like listening to a live radio broadcast

[vale sage]

I'd argue being on Twitter is the really problematic thing here.

[naive cedar]

keep cooking

[hushed mason]

That's what I said!

Twitter is no longer a safe space.

[remote wadi]

DnD Beyond

[snow zephyr]

Juiblex x Demogorgan when?

[vale sage]

Fast moving convo, sorry, missed you saying it 🙂

[olive wasp]

Ah well I guess I’ll just become the Lorax

[naive cedar]

the day i stopped going on twitter was the day my crops grew back, the sun began to shine again, and my house rebuilt itself

[uncut sentinel]

Nah, you become indiscernible bark that eventually falls off and becomes dirt, ash, or dust.

[olive wasp]

I just use my twitter to post absolute nonsense and that’s it

[lyric viper]

Tasha's meta Trans history should just be made canon. She's the poster girl of making yourself be who you want to be.

[severe rampart]

A dwarf druid?

[naive cedar]

isnt corellon also trans

[unkempt roost]

The controversy was that it gave the impression they were changing DND into something else (even if that wasn't actually happening). In this case showing a lot of monsters extremely out of character such as a beholder being nice and friendly along with a lot of the other things there gave a very negative impression to people

[olive wasp]

Technically my first ever character

[hushed mason]

Genderfluid would be more apt a description.

[olive wasp]

Rats well I guess it sucks to suck for me

[naive cedar]

yeah you're right

[severe rampart]

Then perhaps you do speak for the trees

[valid geyser]

I mean it is also like a complete non issue to the d&d fanbase which I think is usually what signifies an actual controversy

[uncut sentinel]

Murder hoboing just doesn't pay the bills yknow

[unkempt roost]

A controversy doesn't have to be true to be a controversy

[lyric viper]

Corellon is a gender abolitionist and somewhere between Enby and Agender.

[naive cedar]

thats a bit more understandable but still an overreaction lol

[olive wasp]

The trees want Taco Bell

[snow zephyr]

See, that's part of the issue. Because rather than introducing new important characters, the company would rather repaint parts of the IP to offer superficial support

[hot marlin]

Corellon precedes the concept of gender by several trillion of years

Corellon is eons older than sexual dymorphism

[lyric viper]

The very first debut of Iggwilv used he/him pronouns. Then used she/her. That's all I'm saying.

[olive wasp]

I guess not, I’ll just become absorbed to the tree

[naive cedar]

ehh. i dont disagree but some legacy characters do genuinely have lgbt+ understones (like corellon). same with tasha for the reason elgate said

[timid anvil]

Anyone got any fun oneshots planned for the end of the year?
My friends are running one but i dont know what I want to play yet

[meager fractal]

Has anyone fought Tiamat (her avatar) yet in 5e?

How'd it go?

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, I have used tiamat like 7 times

[minor cargo]

Yeah… On one hand, Twitter still remains one of the biggest engagement platforms - but yeah, it’s really, really rough there. That said, you can see the work the mods put in by seeing how many comments they “hide”.

They do run a Bluesky account though and that platform is a litttle more… manageable IMO.

[naive cedar]

bluesky is less interesting but it doesnt give me a headache

[snow zephyr]

Yes, though it's hard to address that without it coming across as a Ben and Jerry activism vibe (look into the company and you'll see exactly what I mean by token-isms)

[severe rampart]

I'd like to, but whenever I look at "looking-for-players" There is 0 one-shot campaigns

[valid geyser]

I mean I don’t think it’s worth comparing something like this to the OGL scandal is what I meant. That actually meant something and had an outcome

[blissful dragon]

i used to assume tasha was meant to be ace then i learn from other people that apparently she and gartz the demon lord are actual in love with each though neither is ready to actual admit it

[hushed mason]

I'd like to be able to use #looking-for-players , but there is no way to search for "3.5"

[vale sage]

It's not about being rough or hard to manage. It's about who owns it and what it's being used for. Being a part of that is, well... being a part of that.

[valid geyser]

It also only mattered to people in the industry

[uncut sentinel]

I think this conversation is missing hierarchical guardrails. WotC takes its cues from Hasbro, and Hasbro takes its cues from shareholders. Whatever happens in that room, that sausage being made in the dark, the wool that gets woven. If it doesn't maximize shareholder value, return quarterly profit, then it will be scrapped, modified, spun off, whatever.

[severe rampart]

Have you tried doing the chat filter like

"Channel:looking for players, contains: 3.5"

[snow zephyr]

Black Rock is a company that specializes in cannibalizing businesses to make their numbers look good on paper

[naive cedar]

i think confounding the problem is the grifters who dont know anything about the media in question turning it into a controversy

[olive wasp]

Trapezoid truck man

[hushed mason]

No, but I'll try that.

[uncut sentinel]

That's not a Black Rock specialty, that's capitalism baby.

[snow zephyr]

The ol tictok lore channels

[lyric viper]

We're going way off topic again.

Which meeaaans...
(Moving on from grand chats of business models and other, refocus on D&D)

[cosmic roost]

https://media-waterdeep.cursecdn.com/attachments/0/828/c2-16.png

[hushed mason]

Where would I type that?

[hollow stone]

little robots :D

[severe rampart]

In the search thing

[undone fable]

howsdnd

[uncut sentinel]

I saw that cmd prompt. The question mark? The period is closer on the keyboard.

[timid anvil]

In the discord searchbar

[severe rampart]

Depends if you're on mobile or pc

[timid anvil]

We are also looking into ways for people to use the looking for x channels for other editions easier. We just need some dev time for our monodrone bot :)

[severe rampart]

I've only ever seen people play 5e and 3.5,was 4e really that bad?

[olive wasp]

Guys we should all switch to 4E

[hushed mason]

I have the books!

[vale sage]

What's the highest Initiative bonus you can get in core 5.24?

[severe rampart]

I think you've uttered a sentence no one ever has before

[hushed mason]

Never played, though. LL 3.5!

[valid geyser]

I mean the public reception has changed and it’s viewed more favorably now

[olive wasp]

I’m glad someone is willing to hop on board

[lyric viper]

4e had some real cool creature designs.

[severe rampart]

Ah, I see

[valid geyser]

It’s just a very different game than what came before and after

[lyric viper]

But changed a lot of the lore so made it hard to convert existing games over.

[minor cargo]

The 4E MM is a great book. Still a great place to find inspiration IMO!

[olive wasp]

I think so, I’m an original sentence speaker

[hushed mason]

So use the old lore.

[valid geyser]

Also the license was really strict for third party publishers

[bright geode]

I'm currently in a strahd campaign and I play with my brother and some of our friends, my brothers rolls are fairly normal but if he thinks of a stupid idea that could one-shot the boss or miniboss, he gets a Nat 20

[lyric viper]

(I steal a lot of 4e creature designs)

[jovial shadow]

I was disappointed 2E and was looking forward to 3 E. I picked it up looked at it and then put it back on the shelf and left and never looked at DND again until 5 E came out

[hot marlin]

Yeah third edition was just... Well, I think it's the worst edition

[hushed mason]

I only play 3.5.

[remote wadi]

So to recap our first fight for today

[valid geyser]

Also people didn’t like how player options were given. First PHB didn’t contain Druids or barbarians or halflings because things were separated by power source

[blissful dragon]

you ever she the alt costumes they gave Nordom in idle champions called 1 ed mordon and 4 ed mordon the 4th edition mordon look kind of cool the first look like suffering captured in robot form

[hushed mason]

Oh, yes, let's hear, @remote wadi !

[remote wadi]

3 nat 20s. 2 on initiative, 1 on a fire bolt

[blissful dragon]

i would asume the offical first ed artwork for modron also looked similar

[valid geyser]

I’d say it’s easier to get into now since the books are way cheaper and are finally available through PDF. Although the subscription based character builder app where you got all the options for a monthly fee is gone

[remote wadi]

The funny part about the initiative was that despite our druid and wizard getting those roles, I still went first on initiative

[olive wasp]

Loaded dice

[hushed mason]

Were things better overall?

[jovial shadow]

If I remember correctly the first artwork of those were in the Fiend Folio

[uncut sentinel]

Pray tell, why? At length, if you please.

[remote wadi]

Virtual dice

[olive wasp]

I only get nat 20s when I’m doing something silly like throwing muffins at people

[hushed mason]

Because I can't be bothered to learn another ruleset. I like this one just fine.

[olive wasp]

Oh yeah me too I was just jesting

[uncut sentinel]

We are lazy DM bedfellows. Greetings.

[lyric viper]

I still love 3.5. It's a mess. It requires spread sheets to plan and play. It was a lot.
But I love it's customisation through all the details. I like mirco managing at times. I liked the class designs that could branch out into near endless combinations and concepts.

[timid anvil]

I sometimes wished fifth edition had a few more levels...

[severe rampart]

So 3.5 has a LOT of freedom?

[hot marlin]

And I hate all of that I admit

[hushed mason]

There is so much material, there are so many options for everything.

[hot marlin]

I hate the fact that there are endless combinations and concepts, and I generally hate excessive freedom and prefer things to be restrained

[hushed mason]

However, the fact that there is so much material means you always need to check with the DM to see what is allowed in their game before you get carried away.

[lyric viper]

Yes! And No! 😃

[severe rampart]

I struggled with making my 5e Sheet, I do not want to know how difficult it was to make a 3.5 character sheet as a beginner

[valid geyser]

Yeah I respect a lot from 3.5 even if the execution wasn’t always the best
The fact that you can play any intelligent creature with hands is cool, even if it’s a balance mess

[remote wadi]

It's a little funny because I do optimize my character a small bit, but rolls like this are more like "I'm doing this just to keep up"

[jovial shadow]

I wouldn't mind if DnD only had 10 levels. The last RPG game I played only went 10 levels

[lyric viper]

This is always the dilemma between rules light and rules heavy systems.
On one hand, 3.5 almost certainly had a rule for what ever idea you were thinking of. But.. now you felt like you needed to find that rule and use that rule- if you can't find it... can you not do it?

In a rules light system, it's more of a given that you have to be the one to make it. Which comes with the effort and difficulty of balancing it, and figuring out if you should allow it or not.

[snow zephyr]

2e has the best balance between freedom and flavor

[hot marlin]

I actually like rules heavy system, I've just come to believe that the rules of 3.5 are bad

[meager fractal]

nah i thoroughly enjoyed it

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[remote wadi]

3 nat 20s, though. Holy sheesh...

[lyric viper]

Like if a player on a horse captures a creature in a net, and says they want to drag them along... can they deal damage through that?
In 3.5 I recall it being possible but only if you grabbed several feats to do so. Where as in 5e... well, DM call.

[severe rampart]

Loaded Virtual Dice

[storm linden]

is there tranquilizer

anything that can be shot from range (gun or bow) and inflict unconcious condition

[snow zephyr]

Not in 5e iirc

[hot marlin]

There are some poisons that can do that yes

[hollow stone]

tbh the only rules i wanna see are better rules for non-lethal suffocation, i wanna be able to choke people out to avoid loud combat solutions

[remote wadi]

Aaaaand this was followed up by a nat 1 on our Druid

[severe rampart]

I think bards specialize in that

[storm linden]

that can be coated in ammunation? tell me bud

[meager fractal]

fun times

[snow zephyr]

I want to see real survival rules that aren't just invalidated by what's essentially a cantrip

[storm linden]

Ah- wait, in 5.5e?

[hot marlin]

Drow poison can be coated in ammunition yes, and if a creature fails its save by 5 or more it is unconscious while poisoned.

[snow zephyr]

2e had a handful of stuff, 3.x had one or two

[storm linden]

any tips for Ranged rogue build, am looking for Firearm focused

[hot marlin]

Oil of taggit similarly puts people to sleep for 24 hours. Torpor does not make them unconscious, just incapacitated for 4d6 hours

[storm linden]

is it possible to increase DC by any way?

[snow zephyr]

1. Bigger
2. More
3. You can never have enough dakka

[hot marlin]

Not to my knowledge

[snow zephyr]

You can only impose disadvantage

[storm linden]

tell me more

[storm linden]

how so, feed me your knowledge

[snow zephyr]

With other poisons and silvery barbs

[snow zephyr]

Rapid fire weapons are pretty neat. There used to be DMG rules for them

[woven flint]

Your casters can also impose penalties

Bane, Mind Sliver, ect.

[storm linden]

silvery barb is banned due how broken it is.

[snow zephyr]

Just go full scarface

[storm linden]

Not my playstle, am more of kidnap them

[snow zephyr]

Silvery barbs is allowed at my table with the full warning that I will use it on your death saving throws

I will counterspell your healing spells if you bring silvery barbs

[olive wasp]

I also dislike the lucky feat

[snow zephyr]

Elven advantage

[hot marlin]

I ban silvery barbs and I counterspell healing

Seriously, people get weird about counterspelling healing spells but it's often one of the best uses of counterspell

[storm linden]

Dread against the dm

[snow zephyr]

Get ready for the revivify counterspell too

[severe rampart]

How would counterspelling healing spells work

[hot marlin]

Why would you not counterspell revivify? If there is one spell you don't want your enemies to cast it's that one

[storm linden]

now, how do i get poisons (excluding basic poison, got alchemy jug for that)

[hollow stone]

i just think that Counterspell should operate on the same range of whatever it's trying to counter, like if you try to counter Lay On Hands then you gonna be right there to counterspell it, but something like Mass Healing Word is extremely vulnerable to being Counterspelled

[snow zephyr]

Ask your ST

[storm linden]

can i milk wyvern for its poison

[lyric viper]

Yees. I think there are rules for that even

[storm linden]

for getting poison?

[hot marlin]

Buy them.

[blissful dragon]

is that a reference?

[severe rampart]

I mean, I guess, free will

[hot marlin]

No, counterspell is the name of a spell that has its own range

[errant bramble]

(Eyebrow wiggle)

[delicate owl]

Harvesting Poison

A character can attempt to harvest poison from a venomous creature that is dead or has the Incapacitated condition. The effort takes 1d6 minutes, after which the character makes a DC 20 Intelligence (Nature) check using a Poisoner’s Kit. On a successful check, the character harvests enough poison for a single dose, and no additional poison can be harvested from that creature. On a failed check, the character is unable to extract any poison. If the character fails the check by 5 or more, the character is subjected to the creature’s poison.

[storm linden]

yep

[hot marlin]

And lay on hands is not a spell

[blissful dragon]

thoughts so

[storm linden]

will take that to my notes, ty very much

[hollow stone]

this is a thing that i already know and the thing i am disagreeing with the operation of

[hollow stone]

i thought it was a Paladin cantrip????

[crimson gulch]

Nope it's a class ability

[woven flint]

No, lay on hands is just an ability lol

That'd be an OP cantrip

[hollow stone]

huh, weird

[severe rampart]

I think I'm gonna be a full support bard in my party

[woven flint]

Paladins don't naturally get cantrips unless they choose the blessed warrior fighting style btw

[hot marlin]

So you think that counterspell should only be able to be cast at the same range of the spell it's countering?

[serene jolt]

Is the new 2024 Alchemist worth playing now? Or should I just do Cartographer? (I'll be a healer and caster).

Or is there another Artificer subclass I should do for this role?

[hot marlin]

Not that the idea isn't interesting but...

[hollow stone]

yes, ball for ball countering

[hot marlin]

What about spells with a range of self?

[hollow stone]

then the counterspell caster needs to be right there or they don't get to

[serene jolt]

Within 5 feet*

[woven flint]

That's a bit of flawed logic.
Counterspell is already pretty short ranged anyway, it's only 60 feet lol

[storm linden]

also chat, Poisoner Feat, does it include all poisons? from mundane (drow, oil tanggit and etc)

[hot marlin]

Right there where?

[hollow stone]

within Selfing distance, like 5 feet

[serene jolt]

I think that's a pretty good table rule tbh.

[hot marlin]

Yeah I think that idea makes counterspell basically useless, or at the very least is a huge nerf

And counterspell does not need to be nerfed

[hushed mason]

Does 5e have osssra?

[serene jolt]

Maybe 2014 counterspell but 2024 is already pretty nerfed.

[storm linden]

ossara?

[hushed mason]

Yuan-ti inhaled poison.

[storm linden]

no

[hollow stone]

i mean, might be useful against an Eldritch Spear warlock or a Distant Spell

[hot marlin]

So it becomes usable in extremely niche situations in exchange for becoming near useless in every other situation?

[woven flint]

Yeah that logic doesn't track, no offense 😭

[robust fable]

Only if you have skill issue

[woven flint]

Also, you pretty much almost NEVER want to counterspell a cantrip

[wintry spindle]

Depends on which cantrip

Sometimes the evil caster just sending a message

[lyric viper]

Counterspell Spare the Dying

[naive cedar]

counterspell eldritch blast

[wintry spindle]

counterspell prestedgination

[snow zephyr]

Glyph of counterspell has that trade-off

[wintry spindle]

My pants will not get soiled!

[woven flint]

My argument is Cantrips are infinitely spammable over leveled spells.

[valid geyser]

It’s their fault for using spare the dying instead of just healing them

[snow zephyr]

Cast prestidigitation to soil someone's pants and counterspell their attempt to clean it

[wintry spindle]

Now thats the go to combo

[hollow stone]

yea the provided usecase isn't that good but i still want the counterspell to at least be an approximately even playing field to what it counters

[rugged hawk]

Symbol: Fear has something to say about this.

[glossy otter]

Ngl thats evil

[robust fable]

Tbf most people have skill issue

[wintry spindle]

Honestly prestidgianation is one of my favourite spells because it's one with a lot of freedom

Outside of illusion spells I wish some spells had more creative liberty on the imagination of using it

[cerulean monolith]

press tihd jee uh nation

[hollow stone]

yea it's pretty cool, it's arguably too many things but also like, if any of those things was an isolated cantrip i wouldn't

[wintry spindle]

It's the "wizard wavves their hand and stuff happens" spell

[hollow stone]

E to Interact as a spell lmao

[coarse ravine]

So..... hear Me out a druid with eyes of the eagle item. Casts storm of vengeance 3 miles away. You want a caster to be able to turn around and counterspell a spell 3 miles away. Mind you without them having eyes of the eagle....

Storm of vengeance casting range is "Sight"

[umbral girder]

Unfortunately it was a foggy day so the Druid can see 20ft /jk

[coarse ravine]

Druidcraft makes flowers thats pretty cool. But the freedom to make trinkets is awesome with presdigitation

[rugged hawk]

I mean, a spell has to be 'within detection range' to counterspell, anyway. And just because it's being CAST from three miles away, the actual effect you want to counterspell is right on you. So yeah, counterspell away.

[hollow stone]

i mean mechanically that's possible but reasonably you'd have to cast Storm of Vengeance loud enough for them to hear you from 3 miles away or otherwise alert them

[snow zephyr]

Cast a cantrip as a business model

[wintry spindle]

I cast big sword counterspell that wizard

[woven flint]

You do know that's not how that works, right?

[rugged hawk]

It's probably more a matter of dispelling the existing spell rather than counterspelling something cast from miles away, honestly.

[umbral girder]

Counterspell can only target a caster within 60ft. Because you are interrupting the attempt to cast the spell.

[coarse ravine]

Presdigitation could create a business with those trinkets. I never thought of that

[woven flint]

Casting storm of vengeance doesn't mean they can hear YOU from three miles away

[snow zephyr]

Druidcraft as a flower merchant

[woven flint]

Similar with Meteor Swarm.

[hollow stone]

i thought it worked nonmechanically that they notice you executing the spell components and cast a spell to stop that from happening?

[snow zephyr]

Now that's a great spell for a demolition company

[hollow stone]

like that was the officiated explanation for how Counterspell is a Reaction, because you react to the operation of the components?

[umbral girder]

Yes. In Xanathar’s then in the 2024 version of Counterspell

[woven flint]

Yes, but im talking about casting Storm of Vengeance doesn't mean you'd be heard from that far away.

[wintry spindle]

It's often depicted for example in the DnD Honor among thives movie as figuring out the counter sequence to a spell being cast

[hollow stone]

yea that's what i'm pointing out

[woven flint]

Casting a spell isn't shouting, general concensus is that it's regular talking volume

[hollow stone]

you would have to be doing it impossibly loud to be detected from that far away

[coarse ravine]

Your original theory said counterspells range should be the range of the spells casting

So I was saying some spells have "sight" as the range

Being able to counterspell anything would be insane

[snow zephyr]

The mental image I get is that it's a counter to whatever components there are. If it's somatic then you get your hand slapped away at a crucial moment, if it's verbal then a wrong syllable enters your mouth, if it's material then it burns up

[hollow stone]

yes and then you said the 3 mile Storm of Vengeance and i said, logically, your casting of Storm of Vengeance would have to be able to alert them from 3 miles out for them to know you were casting it enough to Counterspell it

[woven flint]

Counterspells range is perfectly fine as it is.
Being within 60 feet of someone is still a pretty big risk for most casters that can GET counterspell normally.
But it's also long enough to not be useless.

[snow zephyr]

I counterspell your counterspell

[woven flint]

Also, Sorcerer is probably the best counterspeller because they can just distant spell it

[rugged hawk]

I counterspell your Discord message

[misty ledge]

I just bought a owl bear miniature

[severe rampart]

and then they counterspell the counterspell that was counterspelled

[coarse ravine]

Honestly that should go into a wild magic surge or a spellcasting modifier contest

[scarlet marsh]

Counterspells your dyslexia

[snow zephyr]

That's the trouble with counterspell, in large groups of mages it can be shut down

[rugged hawk]

I loved the NWN1 bug where counterspelling could cause you to super-nuke the enemy mage with basically all your spells at the same time.

[woven flint]

Someone already counterspelled my will to live, I don't need anything else being Counterspelled 😔/joking

[snow zephyr]

What is this? Some kind of magical gathering?

[woven flint]

My favorite spell is Synaptic Static

[umbral girder]

Counterspell

[woven flint]

Can't wait for my knowledge Cleric to have it lol

[snow zephyr]

My favorite spell is mordi's mansion

[severe rampart]

When I get to level 6 I think I'll use magical secrets to gain Counterspell, other than that what should I get?

[snow zephyr]

A.k.a. wizard property tax evasion

[woven flint]

His current and literal "fry your brain" options are Shocking Grasp and Mind Spike, he always aims for the head with shocking grasp 🔥

[hollow stone]

tbh i like Thaumaturgy, it's like an edgier Prestidigitation

[umbral girder]

Dispel Magic

[severe rampart]

Doubling Down on being a support bard

[snow zephyr]

A child support bard

[umbral girder]

Aura of Vitality is also a great option

[severe rampart]

I use shapechanger, and argue in court that the child does not look like me at all

[woven flint]

My Alchemist Artificer has the Mark of Healing Dragon Mark and the Potent Dragonmark feat, it's honestly peak.

[remote wadi]

So, did you hear about what happened for this session so far?

[snow zephyr]

If you're a shape changer just change shape when they come to garnish your wages

[coarse ravine]

Like my go to healing spell. So I dont have to be "healer" lol

[woven flint]

Potent dragonmark is crazy tbh
Allows you to have all your Dragonmark spells prepared AND gives you a spell slot equal to half your level to cast one for free

[snow zephyr]

" Cops" but it's D&D

[severe rampart]

What's the most nat 1's you guys have rolled in one session?

[snow zephyr]

The local alchemist has been imbibing too many "tinctures"

[woven flint]

Alas, it can't be my go-to as of now because my Alchemist is level 6, but potent dragonmark allows him to cast it once per day for free

[umbral girder]

That’s just the City Watch series in Discworld

[woven flint]

My Alchemist makes the party alcohol.
They don't know what he uses to make it though >:]

[snow zephyr]

You have the right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, a baatezu will be provided to you

[coarse ravine]

Im just personally not a "healer" so when I play druid or cleric they are like. "Oh you are the healer great" im like yeah... you're getting 2 prepped spells from me healing word and aura of vitality. Albeit I have been a multiclass fighter and action surged heal twice before. But typically dont like prepping any other healing spells besides those 2.

[hollow stone]

meat alcohol?

[coarse ravine]

Healing word and aura of vitality are great because of bonus action use. Action to cast aura of vitality but still

[woven flint]

He's a Yuan-Ti, he uses snakes blood and venom but he uses his alchemical knowledge to make the venom nonvenomous, but still keep its kick.

[hollow stone]

oh :( i thought you were breaking down the fiber and starch in the meat into sugar, and then introducing yeast to the sugar to make it into alcohol

[woven flint]

Of course, he uses other things, but don't tell my party he's been feeding them snake venom.

[coarse ravine]

Star druid gets a buff too and wildfire druid.

A extra 1d8 when ya heal.

[woven flint]

Nah, he's a bit more mystical than a regular Alchemist, he could make alcohol out of anything if he tried hard enough

[olive wasp]

Alcohol? Now we’re talking

[hollow stone]

i mean theoretically a sufficiently talented alchemist could turn anything containing sufficient carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen into alcohol

[coarse ravine]

Shepherd has something that stacks with life cleric. I just cant remember what it was

[woven flint]

He's also got an alchemy jug...
Shhh

[rugged hawk]

I'm a big fan of capstone abilities, I don't usually like multiclassing

[coarse ravine]

Huh? Nah its like the best healers im not tryna do anything lol. Life cleric and shephard have a chemistry. I just cant remember what it was

[rugged hawk]

Although at lower campaigns where you can't reach cap, multi is fine

[hollow stone]

you just need to work it out mathematically so that the resulting discard atoms don't bond to things you don't want them to and contaminate the alcohol with hydrogen peroxide instead of water (note: pure alcohol will just outright murder you, alcohol is a very toxic substance that needs to be diluted before consumption)

[olive wasp]

True!

[woven flint]

My friend, you don't need to do all of that when your alchemy skills are literally so good it's magical.

[rugged hawk]

Alchemize some nuclear fusion

Praise the SUN!

[woven flint]

"Observe as I turn this nuclear waste into wine."

[hollow stone]

i mean i always interpret "magic" as feasible science that we just don't have the technology to provoke

[olive wasp]

No don’t do that I wanna drink the waste and get super powers

My super power of shortening my lifespan by 50 years

[coarse ravine]

Its not major healing if you aren't high level druid.

Unicorn Spirit. The unicorn spirit lends its protection to those nearby. You and your allies gain advantage on all ability checks made to detect creatures in the spirit’s aura. In addition, if you cast a spell using a spell slot that restores hit points to any creature inside or outside the aura, each creature of your choice in the aura also regains hit points equal to your druid level. Idk if there are other things that stack with this on life cleric. But this and goodberry etc. I dont know the life cleric/shepherd trick but there is chemistry within them

[rugged hawk]

That's called a staircase, its special ability is isekai.

[hollow stone]

yea magically synthesizing alcohol is probably like 40 or 50 times more dangerous than just letting yeast ferment until it poisons itself, or until satisfaction, whichever happens first

[coarse ravine]

Ive never done it I've seen people do it is all.

[woven flint]

Magic doesn't HAVE to be a scientific thing.

[coarse ravine]

Im not suggesting you to do it. Im saying its a common multiclass

[woven flint]

Artificer is also.. literally the only class that achieves magic through "science"...

[olive wasp]

No the staircases special ability is being put up for display set up by your guilty brother and his friend

[hollow stone]

yea no it doesn't and probably shouldn't, but i'm just very inclined toward making things make sense, i tend to rationalize things

[woven flint]

But also, magic and science are vastly different scales

As magic is pretty much warping reality in a sense.

[coarse ravine]

I will say at a 2 level dip you can never lose concentration again. Or add a 1d8 to all your future healing spells.

Star druid is a great multiclassing dip for spellcasters

[woven flint]

Magic is something that doesn't NEED rationalization.
It happens because it happens
Sorcerer is literally the epitome of that "It just HAPPENS"

[coarse ravine]

Well you said "not convincing me to multiclass a spellcaster"

2 level fighter dip or 2 level star druid dips are prolly the best options.

[rugged hawk]

"You've encountered a speeding beast of immense size, seemingly made of strange metals, screaming toward you with a loud horn-like sound."

[woven flint]

One day you could be a nonmagical bloke and a Fae tickles you, then boom, you're magic.

[olive wasp]

I stare at it because that is the proper course of action

[severe rampart]

What's the fastest you guys had the first PC death in your party?

[olive wasp]

I look upon the beast with my big beautiful eyes

[woven flint]

Bard magic is literally just..
Words of Creation, which is literally speaking something into existence

[loud tendon]

two sessions.. Death House. So.... not entirely unforeseen

[severe rampart]

Talking someone to death

[coarse ravine]

We had a succubus take one of our party out around session 6ish

[hollow stone]

idk i just kinda try to rationalize the events before me unless they fit into a very specific genre of not being that flashy or bright

[severe rampart]

What happened

[woven flint]

Clerics get their magic through Devotion
Warlocks get their magic through deals
Paladins get their magic through promises.

You can't really rationalize how that happens scientifically

[olive wasp]

I almost lost a character because I was trying to steal a pitcher of never ending juice

[coarse ravine]

I mean how does Whim Hoff get his magic?

[olive wasp]

The bartender casted the spell that does X damage and reduces X max hp

[woven flint]

Which, a lot of this is also inspired by folktales and mysticism

[coarse ravine]

Whim Hoff is a monk 💯

[severe rampart]

Worth it

[olive wasp]

I was at 1 health

[severe rampart]

Uhhh is it a barbarian

[olive wasp]

I didn’t even get to keep it :(

He said if I didn’t give it back he’d do it again

[severe rampart]

I doubt a wizard would threaten an entire group of people

[coarse ravine]

Some players test the dm "you cant kill me, try it, you dont have the guts" etc

[severe rampart]

Couldn't you buy it legally

[hollow stone]

you can rationalize the case by case events of magic's occurrence, tho! like Necrotic Damage being direct acceleration of cellular processes in a designated area, causing decay

[woven flint]

I encourage my dns to kill me

[olive wasp]

It wasn’t for sale. I tried doing that first

[severe rampart]

Marry the bartender, divorce and get the never ending juice in settlement

[woven flint]

Which is boring.
As much as I love science irl.
I don't try to rationalize how magic works because magic isn't science and vice-versa.

[coarse ravine]

I was at a table and the dm was like. "You won't die you'll just take a major injury or something" im like nah kill me hahaha. I dont want 15 speed etc from a peg leg

[frail wasp]

lich council intensifies

[olive wasp]

I was also just doing it for a friend. Her character really enjoyed apple juice

[woven flint]

I'm more of
"My characters typically want to die in glorious combat"

[rugged hawk]

Man, reminds me of when my rogue decided pickpocketing a visiting Gnoll Chieftain was a good idea while he was distracted giving a speech to the other townsfolk and adventurers. Succeeded.... but what I'd managed to sneak away with was a slave collar that had a handle on the front. She wore it anyway since it was proof of her skills. Then everyone who got fed up with her antics would grab its handle and give her a good shake while yelling at her.

[hollow stone]

i mean you find it boring, but i find it fun to make my little theories, and i think we can coexist with this opposing view

[coarse ravine]

Its usually the artificers or the rogues that will try to bring in science to the game

[severe rampart]

Oh my god😭

Some of y'all have really interesting DnD campaign stories

[woven flint]

Artificers create magic through mundane means, which, you could argue, definitely is science

[unkempt roost]

You can have logic in an illogical world

[woven flint]

Yeah, but you don't NEED to

[severe rampart]

Agreed, I'd take persuasion over intimidate any day of the year

[unkempt roost]

But there's no reason you shouldn't

[olive wasp]

Thief rogues are very silly, my first ever session we were in a bad guys tent and I failed an investigation check so bad that I just decided to take everything that wasn’t nailed down (I’m talking bedsheets, pillows, their rug) and I found his poisonous knife and his secret cellar in the basement

Which harbored the princess we were looking for! Yay!

He had the poisonous knife in his pillowcase “dagger of venom” I think it was

[unkempt roost]

In my world the governmental policies are vastly different due to the impact that magic has on society

[severe rampart]

That's one way of finding something hidden

[rugged hawk]

Another time, a paladin helped sneak her way through town because she was in some legal trouble, and she repaid him with a kiss on the cheek outside town.... right in front of someone who turned out to be his wife.

[woven flint]

I dunno, I prefer magic as mysticism because trying to apply science to every single small facet takes away the intrigue of the unexplainable.

Some things don't need explainin'

[severe rampart]

This girl can NOT catch a break😭

[unkempt roost]

Magic is highly regulated not for mechanical reasons but because of narrative

[olive wasp]

Look it’s just how I would do something. If I can’t find something I move everything around until I do

Or I determine it doesn’t exist anymore

[severe rampart]

And then a year or two later you find it after finally buying a replacement

[woven flint]

It's human nature to want to try and have an explanation to everything, but there's some things even us scientific minded individuals can't explain even in real life

[remote wadi]

ANOTHER NAT 20 ON ANIMAL HANDLING???

[olive wasp]

I did that with Pokemon platinum. Turns out it was in my sisters ds the whole time it was missing

[unkempt roost]

Magic in general is so dangerous as a concept of course the government would regulate it

[remote wadi]

My Druid has only been getting 20s and 1 outside of combat

[unkempt roost]

Weighted magnet dice

[woven flint]

Absolutely

[olive wasp]

I lost it for YEARS finally bought another one. My sister lended me her ds so I could trade with myself. Guess what was in the ds

[rugged hawk]

Then there was the time she'd come back from robbing the local goblins blind, and an army of them showed up right behind her at the gates, demanding her head for 'killing the goblin princess'. The adventurers and townsfolk, who regularly warred with said goblins, didn't want to just hand her over. Then the goblins attempted to offer her piles of 'sparklies' and 'gems' if she took the goblin princess's place in the tribe. Obviously, she attempted to go with the goblins, but got stopped by the adventurers, who chained her collar to a nearby post, then slaughtered most of the goblin army.

[severe rampart]

Kept her on a leash💔

[azure jasper]

what do y'all think I should name my cult in dnd?

[unkempt roost]

Any good mage that breaks the laws would certainly be outcast from society or eventually brought in for breaking the law

[severe rampart]

Depends on what they worship and their theme

[severe rampart]

Wait, WAS THIS ALL IN ONE SESSION? the collar thing, then the paladin, and then getting leashed?

[olive wasp]

Cult of the catfish

[woven flint]

My Tabaxi Thief Rogue stowed away on the groups ship because his homeland was taken over by giants and they were just.. eating people .v.

He speaks in a ratty Jersey accent, he sounds like he smokes 50 packs a day

[unkempt roost]

I love giants

Such a great intimidating enemy

[azure jasper]

It's mostly worshipping ecstasy

[woven flint]

I simultaneously have a lot of love and hatred for giants, as I do for dragons lol

[unkempt roost]

I always use ogres and giants in my games

[severe rampart]

Euphoria perhaps

[olive wasp]

The splendor

[rugged hawk]

Also, as a result of the paladin thing, she got a DM item, a bright pink cloak of Invisibility 3/day that couldn't be recolored.

[olive wasp]

I’d have that thang ON

[hollow stone]

i played a Goliath Rogue in a ghillie suit and was able to use my Large Form to hide a chest under the fake foliage, which allowed us to use the environmental device for hiding the chest as a means to hide our weapons. that was fun.

[olive wasp]

Dripped out

[severe rampart]

I would lowkey rock that, that sounds good

[woven flint]

I like the idea of giants and dwarves, despite their sizes, both being quite literally down-to-earth people's and working together to protect their mountainous homelands

[rugged hawk]

Well, her whole look was pink, tbh. So it went well. She got in all kinds of trouble though

[olive wasp]

My rogue had glamour armor and he’d make it appear as a suit

[severe rampart]

They had fun, and that's what DnD is all about

[woven flint]

It's sad..
Giants and Dwarves both, by themselves, have such homie energy

[olive wasp]

All business, unfortunately it was monkey business because he’s always up to mischief

[severe rampart]

Seventh Heaven too perhaps would be good

[trail mica]

We just finished our mines of phandelver campaign

[rugged hawk]

Like the time she was squatting in a house in town with no NPCs in it. Then she got spiced with some NPCs 'coming home from vacation' and had to flee town. When she came back, that's where the paladin came in.

[olive wasp]

He didn’t think like that, he was also a changeling who’d make himself appear as a frog person because he loved frogs and he grew up alone in a swamp

[remote wadi]

2 nat 20s for initiative
A nat 20 on fire bolt
Nat 1 on someone's Wisdom rolls
A nat 20 on an animal handling

And now ANOTHER nat 20 on initiative from our wizard and a nat 1 from our paladin initiative

[olive wasp]

His name was skippy toad

[remote wadi]

I am losing my crap right now...

[severe rampart]

ah, probability, my favorite concept

[olive wasp]

Mayor of Fraugzville (a tiny frog town that was made up of things he stole) he carried his vice mayor (slippy toad) with him at all times even when he started adventuring. He has a book with every citizen of Fraugzvilles name

[remote wadi]

Mind you, I have not gotten a single 20 yet

[woven flint]

My Drow Celestial Warlock was fighting a Yolkuth (however you spell it, one of Lolths handmaiden slime creatures) and absolutely destroyed it with two back to back crit Guiding Bolts for her calling him a "Child of Lolth" (he hates lolth)

[trail mica]

First campaign I did in years, first time DMing with a prewritten adventure. Was fun, it's interesting to see the differences between how it's written and how I used to homebrew it. But I'm looking forward to be a player character in the next campaign with one of my players becoming DM. I'm a bit nervous about my character but hey I'm optimistic it'll work 😎

[severe rampart]

Try their dice

[olive wasp]

And he had a deed to his land verified by the QUEEN

[remote wadi]

It's virtual

And I am poor. And unlucky

[olive wasp]

Because nobody wanted to own that small patch of swamp land

[severe rampart]

Mood, me too

[coarse ravine]

Didnt dwarves create warforges for the giants?

[woven flint]

No..?

[severe rampart]

How long did it take for you guys to find your forever party? (If you have one)

[woven flint]

Warforged are from a different setting, Eberron and they were created by House Cannith, which are humans

[trail mica]

I played with this party all year and it worked very well, 2 or 3 should do some more role playing but other than that it's great

[rugged hawk]

Oh, right, then there was the time a cursed cow skull was needed by the town for... something, I forget what. But it had some powers she really liked, so when the adventurers managed to reach it at the bottom of the crypt, she used her invis cloak, snatched it, and fled. She made it almost back to town with an army of adventurers hot on her heels before they managed to corner her. Then she accidentally destroyed the cursed cow skull trying to wield it against them, and then they shook her by the collar some more and put her in time out.

[olive wasp]

I love skippy toad he was my favorite character

[olive wasp]

That’s their fault you don’t put rogue in the corner

[woven flint]

"House Cannith is a human dragonmarked house whose members are well known for their innovation and advancements in technology. They are responsible for technological wonders such as the warforged and the lightning rail. House Cannith provides repair services and the house's gorgon mark is a known and trusted symbol that appears on magical and mundane items. Through past wars, Cannith have become the most politically powerful dragonmarked house."

[trail mica]

Their enthusiasm is also awesome, 2 of them are great with 3d printers, one is great with printing, 1 is great with woodworking, so we now got all kinds of props

[olive wasp]

Nobody puts baby in the corner

[coarse ravine]

Idk where I read that Dwarven lore then? That must have been a homebrew setting i read the lore on then

[unkempt roost]

I like how stories like the Odyssey and Gulliver's Travels use giants like going to an undiscovered island only to find it crawling in man eating giants

[woven flint]

I played in an Eberron Campaign with a dm obsessed with Warforged lol, it was fun to learn about Eberron from him

He said it was his absolute favorite setting in the D&Dverse and I can really see why

[unkempt roost]

Cyclopses also make a great enemy as well

[hot marlin]

I'm not sure the other cyclops were man eaters actually. Polyphemus, yes

[unkempt roost]

I'm sure they were

They probably would have helped him had they not been confused

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: In Euripides' play Cyclops, Polyphemus is homosexual.

[unkempt roost]

Odd choice

[scarlet marsh]

Slayclops

[olive wasp]

Polyphemussssssss

[unkempt roost]

Because of the Odyssey I like having Cyclopses live on coastal areas and islands

[olive wasp]

How though there’s “nobody” there on the island

[unkempt roost]

I'm a pretty big fan of coastal settings in general

[hot marlin]

It's satyr play, very lowbrow humour.

[woven flint]

A Maneater in more ways than one...

I'm now on the hunt for a gay Cyclops boyfriend. /silly

[lyric viper]

Got your eye out for one, ey?

[abstract beacon]

Ayo chat should I play cleric for my next campaign ? And if so , what subclass is most fun?

[woven flint]

I want him to call me the apple of his eye 😔

[hot marlin]

Also, just checked the ninth song of the Odyssey, it seems that Cyclops in general are not actually man-eaters, just Polyphemus!

[woven flint]

All of them are pretty fun
War and Grave are my personal favorites