dnd-discussion

[raw ocean]

I once played with a gith that could cast some extra higher level stuff, at the risk of it backfiring on him mentally afterwards (homebrew feature)

It was related to some mind flayer stuff

I forgot the exact downside but he had to be careful when he cast spells

[reef tundra]

I don't mind it. If the player themselves were involved in the making of the flaw, then I am a-okay with it

[jovial shadow]

I don't understand the interest in creating characters with flaws or disabilities.

[fossil hollow]

i prefer to keep flaws rp oriented

well, a charcter without flaws can end p as a mary sue...

[reef tundra]

I prefer that too, but I'm not against it being a mechanic

[indigo cedar]

sometimes its fun to not play a perfect character

[reef tundra]

Agreed!

[empty thicket]

depend of what kind of flaws and disabilities you mean.
Sometimes making a good in X bad in X is good, like a balance.
Other times is just the way it overcome those disabilities or flaws

[severe rampart]

adds flavor

[raw ocean]

It’s fantasy, it just depends on person to person

[reef tundra]

It's because they play without the desire for power, they want to make a character with interesting lore, and an interesting mechanic to keep them on their toes

[fossil hollow]

a perfect character is just. boring

[empty thicket]

An egocentric character is a flaw but if through the story that character improve and is less egocentric, fearful, etc. etc.
Give space to development

[raw ocean]

Don’t insult my human paladin power build “John Holy” ever again/j

[reef tundra]

I honestly admire players like that. They're my prefered type of player, ones who don't care for the power of their character

[severe rampart]

and it helps relate to the character

[hot marlin]

Although I would have to say that making an actually perfect character in D&D is almost impossible

[fossil hollow]

look, any of my characters that think theyre perfect have that as their flaw

[empty thicket]

or in the another scenario, a disability. Like a character missing an arm, you can justify he use Mage hand all the time for replace it, some protesis, etc. etc.

[reef tundra]

Agreed. No matter what you do, the character will always have a weakness

[raw ocean]

I gave my newest character fantasy cancer (Weave Sickness)

[reef tundra]

One I will exploit and use to destroy them /j

[fossil hollow]

should have given him haste smh

[olive wasp]

Perfection is a flaw because never knowing failure is a curse and being unable to relate to or comfort those who have failed is a weakness

[hot marlin]

If you're writing a book, yeah, there's a sole voice that can decide a character is perfect. But in D&D you are confronted with several co-authors of the story who have a different perception of that character, necessarily making it more nuanced

[fossil hollow]

no summoning sickness for me

[olive wasp]

Stage 4 weave sickness on the balls

[empty thicket]

That too, you cant make a character too perfect in a party of normal characters because the balance is just F@€~¬Q@#

[reef tundra]

I should make fantasy diseases for my setting

[hot marlin]

You can't make a Mary Sue, to use the annoying term, in a TTRPG

[raw ocean]

Weave sickness is so neat, you can literally say it does anything from slowly killing you to giving you wild magic

[reef tundra]

I never found the term annoying. It's just that, as usual, people started misusing it and ended up broadening the definition so much

[olive wasp]

Fantasy polio

[fossil hollow]

any competent system would ensure that characters arent perfect off the bat

[olive wasp]

Gotta get in the medieval iron lung

[hot marlin]

And what sort of perfection are we talking about? Mechanical or narrative?

[fossil hollow]

mechnical

[olive wasp]

This is my character grimbles, he has magic polio. He must spend 20 hours a day in this barrel. The rest of it he is too weak from treatment to do anything

[fossil hollow]

perfect narrativewise is another topic that is abov ttrpgs

[empty thicket]

Yep, you can have a character that is good in fighting but bad interacting with others
Good in solving stuff but bad fighting, etc. etc.
That is the true balance at the end of the day

[hot marlin]

It's not exactly above TTRPGs, the specific question of narrative perfection in TTRPGs is... Peculiar

[raw ocean]

I was gonna say I don’t understand why some people don’t like weaker than normal characters in combat, then I remember roleplaying with people who put 0 personality into their character but are good at combat

[lost flicker]

I got these new dice today

[raw ocean]

Maybe it goes both ways?

[hot marlin]

But as for mechanical perfection, no, there is obviously no way to do it. How would one even do it? There is always more numbers, more damage.

[empty thicket]

not everyone is good roleplaying, most are shy or dont know how to interact properly, so its understandable in some stuff

[hot marlin]

I can understand. Consider: If you make a character weak in combat, in a game that is primarily designed for combat, aren't you weakening your team?

[lost flicker]

Red ones, oddly shaped- a full set of 7, but parallel to each other are two flat points, kinda like a spinning top

[reef tundra]

It's honestly player preference. There is no "right way" here. Some people dnd for the story and roleplay, others play it for the mechanical part.

[lost flicker]

It's interesting

[hot marlin]

Those are people who got together to become adventurers and face challenges. Their relationship is also a professional one, and professionally you don't keep the weak link.

[jovial shadow]

Not my kind of flavor

[fossil hollow]

bit of a shame yall got 72 stat spread in avernus. having less than normal would have been interesting at tier 1

[raw ocean]

Looking at chat it’s definitely a preference thing, some people agree or disagree

[reef tundra]

There is no right answer, it's just up to player preference.

[unkempt roost]

The way I see it if I wanted to mid/max combat or played purely for that I'd go play a video game or something

[rough basalt]

I think the best stat spread is 108

[reef tundra]

People just need to find the right table for them, because a roleplay character who's bad at combat is a detriment to a combat-focused table, but a combat-focused character is a detriment to a roleplay story table

[hot marlin]

Imagine if we had only rolled 18s

[jovial shadow]

Then you should seek a different game

[rough basalt]

18s in all stats

[raw ocean]

I can completely understand if people need their character into the ground and getting upset on it

[reef tundra]

Sounds like you should seek a different game

[raw ocean]

But lets say “A character so physically weak they can only cast magic” makes sense to me

[fossil hollow]

that would have been one hell of a mathematical probability

[shy stirrup]

Assuming I'm getting the refernce in your name correctly, did not Arthas have flaws? Did not those flaws lead him inexorably to becoming the Lich King? How would that story have played out if Arthas was flawless?

[rough basalt]

It's actually pretty easy

[jovial shadow]

No idea what you referring

[rough basalt]

Just roll 3 6s on 3d6

[fossil hollow]

what? dnd still assumes players characters arent perfect

[raw ocean]

Waltah white has flaws, that’s what makes him such a good character

[rough basalt]

DnD actually assumes the average player is smarter than they are

[jovial shadow]

No one said anything about them being perfect but you.

[raw ocean]

If he didn’t have any, he would just be some dude with cancer who loves his family

[fossil hollow]

...

[severe rampart]

To quote Syndrome "When everyone's super, no one will be."

[reef tundra]

I'm with ya there,

[rough basalt]

Nah I'm still super

[unkempt roost]

I mean player characters are considered to be paragons

[fossil hollow]

ehh

[hot marlin]

Yay nobody knows what everybody else is talking about. Are we talking perfection? Mechanical or narrative? Character flaws expressed in personality or skill? Who knows!

[raw ocean]

Nothing against D&D players but I have met alot more stubbornly “smart” people than actually smart people

[fossil hollow]

stronger than the normal people sure. paragons? nah

[unkempt roost]

That's what paragons are

[lavish flame]

I like the Standard Array for making PCs start weaker and get stronger with time

[unkempt roost]

Naturally gifted beyond the average person

[fossil hollow]

a person or thing regarded as a perfect example of a particular quality.
Im having a hard time applying this to any of the dnd characters ive met

[hot marlin]

That's not what a paragon is. A paragon is someone whose qualities make them a model for others

[rough basalt]

Standard Array is boring but it's very efficient

[fossil hollow]

a paragon for being goofy sure

[rough basalt]

I like Point Buy for the middle ground

[raw ocean]

My D&D character Magnum is a perfect paladin who protects the weak through his oath but he’s secretly depressed since he’s going to die in 2 years but he masks it using joy

[rough basalt]

Tho Point Buy has its issues

It allows players to put 8s in their crucial stats

[raw ocean]

Things can be regarded as “perfect” but they don’t have to be perfect

[fossil hollow]

thats a user error, not a system error

not the systems fault people are stupid. any system with humans involved are flawed because of us

[raw ocean]

How would a D&D character with an intelligence below 5 even work

“Dungeon, Raid, Loot!”

[fossil hollow]

seeing how thats one below an ape and dolphin

[rough basalt]

Won't pass int checks or saves barring help from others

[fossil hollow]

thats what allies are for

[rough basalt]

Inworld you'd be dumber than a lot of animals

[raw ocean]

Finding a new kobold teammate so you have to accept the curse of them most likely being an idiot

[unkempt roost]

Incapable of speech

[rough basalt]

And likely communicate through grunts and chest pounds

[fossil hollow]

i mean.... grog had 6 int

dolphins have language.

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I accidentally convinced a kobold teammate to eat poisonous mushrooms that made them glow

[jovial shadow]

I actually prefer Standard Array over the others

[raw ocean]

I prefer rolled for the love of the game

[rough basalt]

Well they said below

So I'm assuming 3 or 4

[fossil hollow]

5 is well above dog

[rough basalt]

"How would a character with intelligence below 5 work" was the question tho

[olive wasp]

They would not be a thinker, that’s for sure

[fossil hollow]

ugh, cant read

[rough basalt]

You potentially might know how to hunt in a pack (party members)

[raw ocean]

Period cramp simulator with a constitution DC of 22 (literally just a behir strapped to a chair)

[fossil hollow]

hunting in a pack is not something tied to int alone :P

[olive wasp]

Ogre is barely literate and cannot understand the deeper themes in james Joyce’s classical masterpiece Ulysses

[fossil hollow]

oh hey, wretched sorrowsworn are 5 int

[rough basalt]

Froghemoth is a funny monster

[raw ocean]

Low intelligence doesn’t mean that they can’t place 30 different traps in a mineshaft (my poor players learned this the hard way)

[rough basalt]

Cause it's int is so low it can't be harmed by Synaptic Static

[unkempt roost]

Low enough that mind flayers don't work against you

[shy stirrup]

How do you flay that which has no mind?

[fossil hollow]

nah, mind flayers have no int minimum ability

[unkempt roost]

Or was it the brain

[raw ocean]

“This brain tastes flavorless”

[woven flint]

I may be an illiterate ogre, but I still appreciate the fundamental and deep artistical meaning of James Joyce's classical masterpiece Ulysses! I have a pet 'uman that reads it to me!

[rough basalt]

Remember. If you use int devourers against your players, have them walk right past them.

[fossil hollow]

oh wait, they have detect thoughts

[raw ocean]

Could you use regenerate spell on a brain?

[keen valve]

I mean I usually just remove the skin in cases without the mind. Since that's what flaying is.
(I am a mind flayer.)

[upper lintel]

Merry Christmas

[raw ocean]

If they didn’t die

[keen valve]

Merry old fat guy who suspiciously looks like elminster day.

[fossil hollow]

... no way elminster is santa

[olive wasp]

While ogre may not be able to comprehend written language. Ogre can comprehend verbal language and can use it to circumvent their limitations

[raw ocean]

Opening a Christmas gift and it’s a mini tiamat (37 power word kills then activated)

[upper lintel]

Neverwinter Nights 2

[jovial shadow]

Regeneriation is for body parts, so I guess if your head is considered a body part by the DM....

[woven flint]

Yes! I was kinda referencing that lol

[fossil hollow]

what

[raw ocean]

So I can do open brain surgery if I don’t kill them?

[olive wasp]

That’s what I was referencing too lol

[woven flint]

We should be friends and link minds

[lavish flame]

I'm not sure what else you'd call it

[woven flint]

Everything on/in your body Is a part of the body, yes 🧐

[fossil hollow]

i need a cha saving throw, casting banishment

[olive wasp]

Just skip to getting married honestly. Just share damage

[keen valve]

Have you considered becoming a thrall?

[woven flint]

Yes, we're getting hitched.
Specifically for the buffs

[olive wasp]

Betrothed

[fossil hollow]

god i wish i can post that mtg card of a mindflayer running away with their beloved

[woven flint]

Okay, I go take a shower now as I'm stinky goofy man's

[wind oriole]

At that point just marry everyone lmao

[olive wasp]

Make sure to have fun that’s the number one rule of showering

[woven flint]

Shit, i guess 😎

[keen valve]

It's crazy that Blurg x Omeluum is Canon.
(I don't think it is, but it's fun pretending.)

[olive wasp]

United together, the polyamory armor

[woven flint]

You're next.

[jovial shadow]

uh what

[wind oriole]

Buy a man a dinner first at least

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, the marriage ceremony spam strat for 2ac every 2 weeks

[woven flint]

I'll make you a grilled cheese

[olive wasp]

The whole town will be married to each other. How lovely

[raw ocean]

Failed the cooking check, just poisoned my entire party 🔥

[wind oriole]

As a Brit, I’ve never had a grilled cheese, is it legitimately just a piece of cheese that’s been grilled

[woven flint]

Okay, chat, stop distracting me from my cleansing
I shall fade into the darkness until needed once more

[fossil hollow]

run away together

[empty thicket]

in theory with 4 in a party they can have liek 8 or 12 marriages

[raw ocean]

It’s like grilled bread with cheese in between

[olive wasp]

All it takes is one attack that does not require hitting ac

[wind oriole]

Wait

[raw ocean]

Just drank the mystery goop, an illithid worm is inside of me now 🔥

[olive wasp]

Why stop there, go even further beyond. Marry the bbeg. Make love not war

[wind oriole]

If someone marries someone’s wife, does the wife’s husband become your husband by default

[severe rampart]

I don't think so

[olive wasp]

Husband in law

[jovial shadow]

Okay bringing this back to D&D discussion: Mind Flayers. Any change between 2024 and 2014, if so is it better?

[olive wasp]

Me and my 13 wives and 6 husbands with an ac of 48

[raw ocean]

Just used a spell to marry a bug, free AC baby

[fossil hollow]

not much change in statblocks, just overall refinement

the 2024 mind flayer, got like, 28 mor hp. thats it

[olive wasp]

And you get a marriage certificate, and you get a marriage certificate, and you get a marriage certificate

Priests making bank with new trend of marrying everyone

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I accidentally lit a village on fire and it turns out the entire village was illithids and all of them died

May I repeat, accidentally

[empty thicket]

all the party throwing for seduce so the BBEG get soft heart and then all of them end up in a cabin in some mountains with 4 kids each one and the next party is some kids of that whole thing

[olive wasp]

Knocked over a candle and saved tha world

[raw ocean]

Guess who’s character got called a psychopath over it me lol! (Campaign imploded later on)

[unkempt roost]

Roll to tpk

[olive wasp]

“My parents were swingers and made love with a vampire warlord and that’s how I was born. I saw Vladimir the terrorizer on weekends honestly a really cool dad when he’s not beheading people”

[raw ocean]

Guess whose character got killed off instantly by a god!

[hot marlin]

Wait, how does a village composed entirely of illithids hide that fact?

[raw ocean]

They didn’t hide the fact

[hot marlin]

And how is it even possible that they would all die in a fire?

[fossil hollow]

alter memory

[raw ocean]

That’s what I said, lazy DM storytelling

[olive wasp]

HOA

[hot marlin]

It's fire, they're illithids. They can fly and plane shift

[blissful ibex]

because it's funny

[raw ocean]

That’s literally what I said, but I guess one house got lit on fire, they jumped into water

And giant worms are them under the water, the water my character was swimming in

For 5 minutes

Natural selection on the illithids atp

[fossil hollow]

... they have at least 16 int

[unkempt roost]

I run illithids as aliens

[olive wasp]

Panic makes us all do dumb things I suppose

[raw ocean]

The NPC’s are only as smart as the DM, remember that everyone

[jovial shadow]

Mind Flayers are aliens anyway

[raw ocean]

I genuinely believe that the DM just wanted a reason for my character to die

[hot marlin]

... Where's the joke?

[blissful ibex]

arson

[hot marlin]

... They have plane shift

[olive wasp]

Sometimes you don’t wanna get on a flight. It’s early in the morning

[raw ocean]

Mhm, you get why I found that they all died to be BS?

[hot marlin]

It's absolute nonsense

[blissful ibex]

it's funny when the fairly hyper competent and reletively powerful entities panic because of a little fire and end up dying'

[unkempt roost]

They simply activated the immortal sun so that nothing could change planes

[fossil hollow]

this isnt ixalan

[raw ocean]

Turns out two party characters wanted my character dead and the DM has some dude instantly take out my 84 health with one attack

So I just let my character die atp

[hot marlin]

Is that supposed to be a reference to something?

[olive wasp]

Dang, that’s is a rough crowd

[blissful ibex]

MTG lore

[jovial shadow]

atp=?

[raw ocean]

Abbreviation for “at that point”

Just rode out the campaign as a likable generic bard because it was semi-decent and it was going to end soon enough

[olive wasp]

Adenosine tri phosphate

[unkempt roost]

The immortal sun was a powerful artifact that prevented Planeswalkers from being able to planeswalk

[raw ocean]

Oh the wood elf is racist inside of the world you made where literally the strongest kingdom is racist against less liked races

[hot marlin]

I only recently learned that MTG had actual lore

[raw ocean]

Oh the horror, god forbid a wood elf doesn’t like illithids

[blissful ibex]

and one of the BBEGs used it to set a trap and kill a bunch of them, but ended up trapped in a sort of demiplane as a result

[unkempt roost]

30 years of it

[fossil hollow]

its an artifact in the aztec/spaniard inspired plane of ixalan that prevents people form going out of the plane

[hot marlin]

I'm not sure why someone would bother writing lore for a card game though

[unkempt roost]

Why would they write lore for dnd

[hot marlin]

Because it's a TTRPG.

[unkempt roost]

Ok it's just a table top game

[blissful ibex]

MTG can be as much a naritive game as dnd is

[unkempt roost]

All of the MTG cards have lore

[blissful ibex]

it's all in how you contextualise the game

[fossil hollow]

... ok, i find that a bit harder to agree with

[olive wasp]

Too much thought. Two post it notes that say “heat death of the universe” and “bread related incident” that’s the story

Connect B to A

[unkempt roost]

MTG actually has a great many things you can carry over into DND

[blissful ibex]

also the story is generally decent Except for the dumpster fire that was the war of the spark block, which is the story in question

[fossil hollow]

its almost like they were made by the same company and havent done it already

[unkempt roost]

There's already like 3-4 mtg modules in DND now

[olive wasp]

War of the spark block kinda sounds like they’re fighting for the Fortnite cube

[blissful ibex]

SCC, the lorwyn one, the theros one, the ravnica one

[unkempt roost]

Amonkhet, Theros, Strixhaven and Ravnica I think

[fossil hollow]

ok, looks like i needed to add /s

[olive wasp]

Kevin the cube stat block when

[unkempt roost]

Oh yeah Lorwyn

[blissful ibex]

oop, forgot amonkhet

[fossil hollow]

its just ravnica, theros, strixhaven, and lorwyn. the amonkhet stuff isnt official

[unkempt roost]

And they have 2 DND sets in MTG

[fossil hollow]

technically theres a small monster pack for eldraine too

[unkempt roost]

Nicol Bolas makes a great bbeg

[torpid trout]

Actually there is an offical Monkhet and Ixilan one too, from way back

[blissful ibex]

he keeps coming back though

[unkempt roost]

Well yeah

[fossil hollow]

those arent official

the mtg team just made it and put it on dmsguild

[blissful ibex]

Ugin is too forgiving of his brother, just imprisoning him every time lol

[torpid trout]

Oh.

[unkempt roost]

He only imprisoned him once and that's because if they killed him he would come back to life with one of his contingency plans

[blissful ibex]

fair

[unkempt roost]

Imprisoning him in the prison realm was the only sure way to keep him contained

But he's free now so who knows

But that's not dnd

[fossil hollow]

Still waiting for a Neon Dynasty supplement

[unkempt roost]

I'm surprised they didn't do that

[blissful ibex]

Just put him in the moon on Innistrad with Emrakul /s

she'll keep him in line XD

[fossil hollow]

isnt emrakul free?

[unkempt roost]

Duskmourn would make a great module

[fossil hollow]

Duskmourn belongs in Van Ritchen's IMO as an example of a Domain of Dread

[blissful ibex]

I mean, the eldrazi where just minor manifestations of greater beings
like pinky nail level

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, but isnt she free as of The March of the Machine

[blissful ibex]

oh, dunno, haven't been keeping up with lore as much lately

[fossil hollow]

i stopped a bit after Dragonstorm

... Speaking of which, i wanted to run a Tarkir game at some point

[empty thicket]

welp.... yeah(?)
Like, if the party is already some sort of poly thing all marrying each other.
It would be a literally mixmaxing and weird in some other way
idk how they would work on the rings, 4 rings per hand? a bracelet? collar?

[olive wasp]

A clasp necklace that they put each ring on

I think that would be the best way to do it

[empty thicket]

"Yeah, that is my mom and my dad and my other mom and my other dad and then there is the funny uncle Steve (a friend of hte party)"

[olive wasp]

“I call her Ma, she’s mom, this is mother, that’s father, dad, pa, dada, that’s parental figure, that’s legal guardian, that’s babysitter with extra steps, uncle Larry, unc”

“Legal guardian and unc are my genetic parents though”

[honest spade]

Happy Holidays & adventuring to all.💙

[olive wasp]

Happy holidays to you too

[hot marlin]

Murder hobos are also allowed to celebrate by murderhoboying

They get a bad rep those characters. Sometimes they can be genuinely interesting

[naive cedar]

how old is the term murderhobo btw?

[olive wasp]

My character is the villain

[tribal geode]

happy holidays to all who celebrate

[olive wasp]

I don’t really know how to make a murder hobo fun to play as or play with

[raw ocean]

Since the beginning of time

but around 15-20 years off of google

[hot marlin]

The first human beings were murder hobos

[naive cedar]

Also happy holidays and remember that eldritch blast > every other spell

[raw ocean]

Witch bolt is better

[naive cedar]

that makes sense lol. My parents were around for first edition DND and they didn’t know the term murderhobo until I told them

It’s one of those terms that is hilariously apt though

[raw ocean]

Murderhobo's aren't like super bad compared to other types of players

[naive cedar]

True but I think murderhobos are the most generic “bad” player since it’s not exclusive to any class or setting or type of game

[raw ocean]

I will take a murder hobo over a lone wolf or chaos goblin

[naive cedar]

Wait whats a chaos goblin

[raw ocean]

Creates problems “for fun,” ruins plans, presses buttons just to watch things explode.

"What if we lit the tavern on fire, for fun?"

We literally just saved the tavern keepers daughter, why?*

[naive cedar]

Oh so like someone trying to play a chaotic neutral character badly

[raw ocean]

Exactly

[naive cedar]

Yeahhhhh that’s obnoxious

[raw ocean]

Essentially "It's what my character would do" but amp'd up to 10

[naive cedar]

Chaotic neutral does not inherently mean “just does completely unhinged things for no reason”

[gusty turret]

my dm went on break and its been a struggle finding a new campaign to join thats on his lvl lmao

[raw ocean]

Chaotic neutral is killing a group of bandits to save a girl then go on a 3 session trip to help some little gnome guy get revenge on a elf

[woven flint]

The "Chaotic" alignment doesn't mean you're a Chaos crazy individual, it just means your principles can change on a dime or you're your own authority

[raw ocean]

Exactly

[naive cedar]

Exactly! It’s someone who jut does whatever they feel like whenever. it doesn’t mean you’re running around setting babies on fire

[severe rampart]

Yeah, Lawful is "Strict, Orderly" but Chaos is everchanging

[raw ocean]

Chaotic is just a patch on bandage of "I want my dude to be like this most of the time but he switches up sometimes for fun"

[olive wasp]

Main character syndrome is amongst them for me

[severe rampart]

I also misinterpreted it at first

[raw ocean]

Oh my god, I remember one time I was forced to be a main character in a group

Every other player was a passive player that just sat in the back lines and barely interacted with NPC's

[woven flint]

Chaotic is also more:
"My own laws and rules are above other sanctioned laws and rules"

[raw ocean]

Alot of people think that chaotic is just being extremely bipolar

[naive cedar]

tbf, the alignment system has never been strictly defined and is kind of outdated anyways. I use it as a guideline of how my character navigates the world but it’s not an end all be all

[olive wasp]

I don’t mind someone being the main focus for a bit that makes sense. I despise those who always try to interject their character into everything and treat themselves like a party leader and makes everyone do what they want

[severe rampart]

Yeah that makes sense

[olive wasp]

That’s fine, if no one does anything and you gotta step up that’s necessary

[raw ocean]

Only reason I was mostly forced into being a main character is because it was a tier 4 campaign and I had a persuasion mod of 17 (and the other players being passive)

[olive wasp]

Yeah there’s many ways to play each alignment tbh. Chaotic neutral to me is following their own heart even when it doesn’t make sense to others.

[raw ocean]

I remember when the DM bummed me on a bulk deal when I rolled a nat 20 on persuasion

[woven flint]

I have a Chaotic Neutral
Ysoki (Ratfolk) Mechanic fellow in pathfinder
He's anti-goverment/establishment and his owm gun runner, but he's not gonna go out of his way to estalish rules above others and purely does what he thinks is right, which, luckily, Ysoki are a very kind people lol

[jovial shadow]

Actually it has been strictly defined before. As for it being outdated, that's subjective.

[naive cedar]

Yeah exactly, regardless though, chaotic neutral doesnt mean “sets babies on fire for fun” because that is not fun to play a game with in any setting or interpretation

[olive wasp]

I might be a criminal mob member but I love and cherish animals. Not evil just kn a bad line of work

[raw ocean]

I remember one time a party wanted my character dead when he dove into some water to grab a literal treasure chest

[gusty slate]

quick question bc i’m new here how do i try to find a dm

[raw ocean]

How are you going to be upset if you get a belt of hill giant strength

[woven flint]

I think most of that group is some form of Chaotic Neutral lmao

We bow to noone, man!
[Insert gnarly guitar riff]

[raw ocean]

Im contemplating using a voice changer for a warforged, I know where to find a really good one with no hiccups but im just wondering if it's going to become a gimmick that will wear off eventually

[jovial shadow]

Funny thing because I hear some people say a Monk doesn't want a belt of Giant strength. That's just nonsense

[raw ocean]

Im currently getting into 3.5 D&D and im taking some vow of poverty so my warforged is going to basically be an eternally broke monk

[jovial shadow]

Nice

[wispy flare]

Got that new dnd starter set

[raw ocean]

Nice hearing all these D&D gifts

I got a set of purple mushroom dice and I rolled a nat 20 on the first roll, I can tell they are going to be lucky

[rough basalt]

I got 1 official book and 4 third party ones

And some minis and paint cause I wanna try that out.

Strixhaven alt cover is very nice

[woven flint]

I wanna play a Mercy Monk of Ilmater so badly lol
Flavor his healing as transferring the Wounds to himself

[rough basalt]

Now to ban Silvery Barbs anyways despite my rule being all content I own is legal.

[raw ocean]

The nefarious chronurgy wizard with a built in silvery barbs-like ability:

[rough basalt]

It's not about the spell.
It's about sending a message

[wintry spindle]

I have to this day not used silvery barbs

[rough basalt]

I have. It's something you can't wash yourself of.

[raw ocean]

I have only ever used it once in a practice fight to help a DM test, have I sinned, or am I forgiven?

[rough basalt]

No matter the circumstance. Your hands have been stained

[woven flint]

Hot Take:
Silvery Barbs is actually Burgundy.

Burgundy Barbs.

The good ol' BB

[errant bramble]

What does silvery bards do?

[raw ocean]

Makes basically anything reroll and take the second roll

"Ermmmm, that nat 20 never happened!"

[woven flint]

Only on successes.

[rough basalt]

Rerolls a successful roll and grants anyone within 60ft advantage on their next attack roll, ability check or saving throw

[errant bramble]

Sounds boring to play with.

Like, it makes the game boring because it negates the dice.

[rough basalt]

It's funny when people reroll regular hits into crits

[raw ocean]

Tbh I don't understand the hate, silvery barbs has existed since the first release of D&D

[hot marlin]

Yes, it is a bad spell

[raw ocean]

It was formerly known as "DM feels bad for player so they give them a retry"

[woven flint]

The idea of Silvery Barbs is to give an enemy "Disadvantage" and to make them reroll a save, attack roll or ability check, then give an ally advantage on something

[jovial shadow]

Yeah, most likely the reason it's not part of the Core rules, just from the supplements

[woven flint]

Good for if you have a Rogue!
Okay spell for the most part, in this humble casters opinion, literally pick anything else lol

[unkempt roost]

There's already a million ways to enact disadvantage

[rough basalt]

The lore for the spell being made is that it's a way to make people angry

[raw ocean]

My Divination Wizard / Chronurgy Wizard / Clockwork Soul Sorcerer, with the Lucky feat, using every single spell slot on Silvery Barbs, absolutely ruining the battlefield’s rolls, friend and foe alike.

[woven flint]

Notably, Silver Barbs is the only one that functions on a SUCCESSFUL roll.

[rough basalt]

I've ran into that

Had a party with 4 casters, all using only SB

One caster was a Halfling Div wizard

All 6 PCs had lucky, with the two full martials taking MI to get Silvery Barbs as "backup barbs"

[raw ocean]

Why?

[rough basalt]

To make me quit dming presumably.

[raw ocean]

I would be to petty to deal with that so I would just put ranged enemies right outside of their range

[rough basalt]

I just threw a lightning bolt at them during an ambush they willingly walked into

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I tried teaching some friends how to play D&D

[errant bramble]

Oof

[raw ocean]

Genuinely wanted to hook myself up to an electric chair

"I rolled an 18 on charisma, can I seduce the bartender" You haven't even asked me if you could roll.

[rough basalt]

The bartender calls the guards because you're harassing him.

[raw ocean]

"I wan't the ice knife spell, can you put it in my sheet?" You are a level 1 rogue

"I break into the room to our left." Why? "Because, what if there's bandits?"

[errant bramble]

Should have given them the ice spell. In the form of an attack, lol.

[unkempt roost]

Video game brain

[tidal bloom]

Are these new additions to pact of blade or was that in 2014 too? I don't remember it being just a bonus action or changing it's damage type

[errant bramble]

Ok, you're under arrest for breaking and entering.

[raw ocean]

"Why are we getting arrested?" You tried to seduce the bartender's wife while she was in her room alone.

[hot marlin]

What? Explain

[raw ocean]

Tried teaching some non D&D buddies how to play D&D

[errant bramble]

Would have loved spectating that game, honestly.

[raw ocean]

Their only knowledge was critical roll clips

[wraith kelp]

merry christmas!!

[errant bramble]

Sounds funny to watch, not to experience though.

[raw ocean]

Level 3 sorcerer said he uses chain lightning

[errant bramble]

Lawl

[raw ocean]

and that he used hellish rebuke as a reaction multiple times

If I find one more D&D player that just adds whatever they want to their sheet because they can, im genuinly going to break my keyboard

[errant bramble]

Fair

[raw ocean]

New player im trying to teach added a literal anti-matter rifle to their inventory and their reasoning was because they chose proficiency for it

[pliant sapphire]

Only in 2024

[errant bramble]

I mean, thats a actual weapon in the books.

[raw ocean]

Want to know exactly what I said to them?

[errant bramble]

yes?

[raw ocean]

“Why would a level 2 rogue, based off Jane Doe from ZZZ, have a literal antimatter rifle as starting gear in a medieval setting campaign?”

[unkempt roost]

You're not letting me play what I want

[jovial shadow]

Nothing wrong with that, but usually those weapons show up deu to an interplanar incident like in Blackmoor, and they only work for a limited time before the battery/power source depletes.

[tidal bloom]

A pity. Have a character for the future who multiclasses into Warlock to get pact of the blade.

[raw ocean]

I had to explain to them how damage works

If the starting gear does 1d4

why are you picking a weapon that does 6d8?

[errant bramble]

Cuz it's better? Duh.

[pliant sapphire]

In 2024 is Great. Pact of the Blade is an invocation that you can take at lvl 1

[raw ocean]

Guess who kept it in their inventory after being told they shoulden't have it!

Only reason why I personally excused it is because they were new

but some stuff should just be common sense

[tidal bloom]

Wow that does seem great

Although still lvl 3 subclass for Warlock is a bummer

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I had a dream of an amazing D&D game with a DM who actually cared about the rules and character backstories, and every player treated it like they were writing a book and not just some shit post

[unkempt roost]

The only real solution is to stop the game and talk to the player and put your foot down

[raw ocean]

It's a pbp campaign so we weren't in a super rush

but still it was quite frustrating

[unkempt roost]

Imagine the dbd game where the players actually take the plot and NPCs seriously truly a fantasy

[raw ocean]

how do you manage to click starting equipment three times then keep all the gear?

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I accidentally slimed out someone in a dungeon

Blew them into smithereens using a shotgun then the DM said they were a human

"Why is a human in the middle of a dungeon by themselves?"

There can still be random moments without the PC's going out of their way to make them

[unkempt roost]

The same reason the party is there

[crimson gulch]

Because dnd beyond is not a great program for teaching the game

When I teach charicter creation it's step by step on paper

[jovial shadow]

As long as it's not session 0, that's fine. I don't need two to three hours of my time wasted because the DM wants to show new folks how to create a character, when I know how already .

[raw ocean]

Why is an unarmed civilian in a dungeon that's known to kill a multitude of people 😭

[unkempt roost]

Maybe he was with another party and they all died

[raw ocean]

It was a 21 year old dude with raggedy clothing on 😭

No weapon and no symbols on him

[unkempt roost]

He dropped it when running

[fossil hollow]

hostage that got free

[raw ocean]

In a 1000 year old hidden dungeon with nothing but traps and monsters

[crimson gulch]

If I run charicter creation in session 1 at the start of a campaign it takes an hour then were playing

[raw ocean]

You guys have to be gas lighting me, no way that dude wasen't suspicous

[unkempt roost]

You wouldn't murder a poor defenseless man

[raw ocean]

Your telling me that if an decrepit man sneaked up behind you in the middle of the dungeon with no signs of human life and a multitude of monsters and traps, you would talk to bro?

I even inspected him with a 17 and the DM said "He looks as if he's not meant to be here, a fragment of a lost soul lingers in his eyes"

[unkempt roost]

What a nice man coming to bring us company in this dark and dangerous dungeon!

[glossy otter]

"nothing like that sus angel who needed our help earlier"

so, hows everyone enjoying their christmas

[raw ocean]

I got a D&D dice set and it rolled a nat 20 on it's first roll

[glossy otter]

huzzah!

[slender gyro]

Character who used to be level 20 but he lost a fight to his rival. Almost died. Ended up having amnesia because of how badly he lost the fight. And now he's lvl 1? Possible or nah?

[fossil hollow]

ask your DM

[slender gyro]

(recovering his memories won't bring his level back to 20)

[raw ocean]

Almost anything is possible with enough flavor and group approval

[slender gyro]

How would a DM balance it out?

[raw ocean]

I have a character essentially like that but he dosen't remember anything about how he died

[raw ocean]

Mechanically or roleplay?

[slender gyro]

Yeah the idea is that my character survived. But he doesn't remember even his name

[crimson gulch]

A story like that is fine as long as you don't expect any mechanical bonus from it

[hushed mason]

Including gear.

[raw ocean]

Could just say he was a spellcaster and after you got your memories back you were too far-spec'd into being a martial so you just stick with martial

[slender gyro]

The only mechanical bonus is that his rival is hunting him.

[slender gyro]

He was always martial.

[hushed mason]

THen what is there to balance out?

[raw ocean]

Or vice versa, unles you decide to keep him on martial

[slender gyro]

Well my brother who did DM tells me "Even if you forget you still have 300+ HP"

[hushed mason]

No. No you don't. You have a level 1 character.

[slender gyro]

Yeah but he says lorewise he was a 20 who just forgets. His hp didn't reset to lvl 1

So like. How do you reset his HP?

[raw ocean]

Just say your body got destroyed in the fight and you have to re-train your muscles

[hushed mason]

Well then no, your DM wouldn't allow that.

[flat monolith]

Your rival used powerful magic

[slender gyro]

The rival is a paladin btw

[raw ocean]

Even the strongest of people can go down in strength if they don't train for long enough

[flat monolith]

Seems feasible with magic or a god

[slender gyro]

That's what i thought. Like got so many injuries and ended up unconscious for 2 years let's say so the body got weaker and everything

[glass granite]

You went into a coma, it’s not surprising you need some serious rehabilitation

[raw ocean]

Same thing happened to my wizard, basically got hit with some spell that ripped his bodies to shred and the only way he survived was by basically slightly reversing time to a livable state and putting his body in stasis [He's a reborn]

[glass granite]

Though I gotta ask, why is this rival hunting him?

[raw ocean]

Paladin so many like some oath that make's him continue a fight until it's over?

[hushed mason]

But what made the antagonist go after the PC in the first place?

[raw ocean]

Even tungsten steel is brittle if hit with enough heat

[glass granite]

So Glory or Crown (can’t remember which one was to completely dominate the enemy).

But then how were they not discovered when being unconscious for two years?

[slender gyro]

My character was and is barbarian. He didn't change any class

[glass granite]

Didn’t say he did

[raw ocean]

Just watch baki, people get ripped apart in that show but come back normal

[hushed mason]

What's the source of the conflict, and why didn't the paladin finish you while you were weakened?

[slender gyro]

Yup. Also this goes to homebrew but basically he's a vampire too. That's why the paladin is his rival

[hushed mason]

The paladin is a vampire?

[slender gyro]

Perhaps an earthquake happened and i fell into a chasm but survived

[slender gyro]

My barb is the vamp

[hushed mason]

So how does the paladin know you survived?

You might have mentioned that to begin with.

[slender gyro]

He doesn't. But when he learns because the rumors spread. The fight at the end is unavoidable

[hushed mason]

Personally, I'd applaud you for writing a creative story and then tell you to go make a playable PC. But I'm a very boring DM.

Is vampire a template in Fifth edition?

[raw ocean]

You can literally throw any backstory at me, I can make it into a playable PC

[glass granite]

Nope
Closest is Dhampir

[slender gyro]

A vampire would have to be homebrew

But generally speaking. I focus this discussion here at amnesia not at the vampirism

[slender gyro]

It's inspired by something

[hushed mason]

I see. Again, as a DM, I'd tell you to go make something using the RAW. The amnesia is a non-issue because it doesn't affect you mechanically.

But I'm also a very boring DM. So take my comment for what it's worth.

[slender gyro]

Basically the amnesia is just a flavor to explain the lvl 1. It won't give me any stat boosts

[raw ocean]

Im a very fun DM so you can have power word kill at level 1/j

[hushed mason]

Exactly. The amnesia is fine.

[slender gyro]

Lmao

[hushed mason]

Because your rival is capable of ending yuou at level 20.... they are also veyr high level, so I wouldn't count on running into them very long time.

[slender gyro]

My story got inspired by puss in boots the last wish (you have the paladin basically chasing me and i have to run away. Perhaps the entire party too? Unless they wanna fight a lvl 20 paladin underleveled). And then it got inspired by Jujutsu kaisen too

The paladin is based on satoru gojo.

Personality wise

[glass granite]

My issue with this backstory is mostly the implications of a powerful level 20 paladin (likely that high level at least) hunting you (and likely your party by association).

[hushed mason]

And the vampire thing.

[slender gyro]

Yeah it's gonna turn into chasing. You don't like chases?

[glass granite]

It relies on the campaign going high enough for the party to stand a chance

The vampire thing has been done before. They find a way.

[glass granite]

Not particularly one that goes for the entire campaign

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t allow the vampires either, but I’ve seen some tables that do them

[slender gyro]

Well. It could happen halfway through

[glass granite]

Still, half a campaign

[jovial shadow]

Gary Cygax wasn't a fan of non-humans, but said (I paraphrase) that it's okay to play a monster, as long as long it's it starts off weak and later become strong. Monster being anything not humanoid and hostile.

[slender gyro]

Last quarter?

[glass granite]

There’s also the fact that surely some would recognise you. Level 20 barbarians aren’t exactly common

[glass granite]

maybe

[slender gyro]

I changed drip 😂

[glass granite]

You’re a vampire, your face doesn’t change

[fossil hollow]

unless youre a nosferatu vamp or something

[glass granite]

Also, if you were buried in a chasm, how did you get out?

[wintry spindle]

Or those vampires form blade 2

[potent siren]

You can do the "used to be lvl 20, and now is weakened back to lvl 1" but obviously you still have to make a lvl 1 character. If your asking for how to flavor it to make sense, your rival could have done something to cripple your characters abilities, and now your back to the start of your journey to power

[hushed mason]

Yes, we already established that.

[potent siren]

something along those lines

[glass granite]

You just need a decent explanation for everything in between

-# Also this hardly sounds like a rival. More like a nemesis

[raw ocean]

how long have you had to get your body to work again, why haven't you been able to get back to your past power, etc

[slender gyro]

It could have been burried under rubble. I haven't figured out that part

[raw ocean]

Taken into some cave system by kobolds that thought you were food or something

[hushed mason]

Your fairy godmother rescued you and gave you amensia to take away the shame of your defeat.

[raw ocean]

could explain your past gear being gone too

[potent siren]

In terms of actually being able to face a CR ~20 enemy, I'd recommend to think about a reason for why said enemy isnt able to find your character/party for a good portion of the campaign. There is no real way to escape such a high level enemy unless they have lost a bunch of their abilities and resources as well

[glass granite]

Remind me, are there any consequences of eating vampire flesh?

[raw ocean]

No official ruling but I would assume you either get poisoned or slowly become a thrall

[glass granite]

I don’t imagine the kobolds would appreciate that

[raw ocean]

Probably would throw him out of the cave system for the wolfs

would explain how he escaped the kobolds too

[glass granite]

Btw, as a vampire, have you ran the species through with your DM yet?

[glass granite]

Da sun

[potent siren]

Dhampir might work out a bit better

[raw ocean]

Idk, at the entrance of the cave?

[fossil hollow]

is a deadly lazer

[glass granite]

Agreed

[raw ocean]

I assume most vampire PC's just get nerfed in the day time rather than death

[fossil hollow]

i show them the dhamphir page

[glass granite]

Even worse if the DM wants to add the more traditional weaknesses

[slender gyro]

I would legit pull off DEATH at the sun. You wanna walk out in the sun? Get a cart or something

[raw ocean]

I could deal with running water being bad but I swear if I have to beg to enter any tavern im gonna cry

[slender gyro]

A horse carriage.

[slender gyro]

A tavern is a public space no?

[raw ocean]

Just wear like alot of clothes and use an umbrella

[raw ocean]

Does someone own a tavern?

[glass granite]

Try not being able to cross salt/rice/sugar/yougetthepoint without counting every grain

[glass granite]

Still an abode

[slender gyro]

Do vamps need to get invited into a tavern?

[glass granite]

I assume so…

[potent siren]

unsure if d&d vamps need to do all of that by RAW

[raw ocean]

If someone owns the building, then the vampires need to be invited in...

[earnest canyon]

Think it specifies residence in forbiddance so depends on if someone lives there I suppose.

[slender gyro]

By anyone or the owner has to invite them?

[raw ocean]

Anyone

So technically, a party member could let them in

[slender gyro]

So your teammates or a waiter can just say "welcome" and you get passage

[glass granite]

I assume the party member would have had to be allowed in too

[raw ocean]

Sinners had me so mad, imagine some chick screaming "Come and get me" when you are already struggling for your life

[glossy otter]

I mean there are loopholes such as Strahd in barovia or if the place is destroyed

[glass granite]

Yup! Just burn the house down

[raw ocean]

That would be such a power move from a vampire

[glossy otter]

worked in that one vampire movie

[raw ocean]

Imagine ragebaiting a vampire and he just grips the bottom of your wall and rips the top portion of your house clean off and throws it a mile away

"Go ahead, say bleh bleh bleh one more time."

[slender gyro]

Lmao. Legit tho invitations won't be an issue.

[worldly flare]

I wonder how many Disney attractions you could recreate with Magic

[raw ocean]

Just use awaken spell on aton of animals

[spark juniper]

I have an idea for an ocean campaign. Essentially, the entire planet is water, with islands as land, and an archipelago the equivalent of a kingdom. What does anyone think?

[raw ocean]

How much water are we talking

[spark juniper]

Think windwaker from zelda water.

[raw ocean]

I ran an oceanic campaign before and the players were constantly asking if they should play races that can breath underwater

[spark juniper]

That was one of my suggestions. Everyone gets a trait: Breathe underwater, walk on water, stuff like that.

My thought process is this: If you can breathe underwater, that doesn't necessarily mean you have a swim speed. Or if you have a swim speeed, you can't breathe. That kind of trait.

[raw ocean]

I would just have them pay for scuba gear to give the dread the ocean brings, you better start to swim if you get low on oxygen

and gives them way more freedom

I even had this cool mechanic where they had to wear heavy diving suits when they got close to abyss zones

[potent siren]

Probably make magic items that help with traversing underwater more common

[raw ocean]

Just look at subnautica for inspiration, it helped me alot

[spark juniper]

I will most certainly do that, thank you.

[solemn robin]

Hey I need someone to boost my server I would really appreciate it if you can dm me I'm trying to make my dnd campaign bigger

[dusty jungle]

Is this an appropriate server to share homebrew and where?

[raw ocean]

#homebrew

[glass granite]

#homebrew likely

[raw ocean]

I beat you nugget, I win! [Light yagami voice]

[glass granite]

-# I swear, people don’t read the channel guide

[fossil hollow]

people read?

[glass granite]

Touché

[raw ocean]

You would think that in a server about a game that's 40% reading, people could read

You would be greatly mistaken

[craggy glacier]

hi

[jovial shadow]

Why would anyone read the channel guide, when there is a channel that literally says DND discussion?

[hot marlin]

That's worldbuilding, that's not a campaign yet

But it is an interesting base idea. It results in the entire economy, food production and basically way of life to revolve around ships.

[worldly flare]

God I am struggling to understand Major Image, why couldn’t they have kept Malleable Illusions?

[hot marlin]

What's there to understand? It's a rather simple spell

[jovial shadow]

Such as?

[worldly flare]

It’s not that, I’m just trying to do something with it that makes it kind of annoying.

I’m trying to create a movie of sorts, and I HAVE NO CLUE what the limits of this part are.

“For example, if you create an image of a creature and move it, you can alter the image so that it appears to be walking.”

Plus I need to figure out the order of operations which is always a pain.

Wait actually I think I’ve got it, but I’m have to ask later.

[lavish harbor]

Hi all ! and merry chrismas !

I'm building a really high intensity fight and I just can't find this epic Choir intro, starting really strong and rythmic high pitch orchestral music.

Can you guess what I was looking for ? It's a soundtrack that was used in so many remixes afterwards

[reef tundra]

Any souls boss fight theme

[lavish harbor]

Just found it ! for any one looking for quite the best boss intro : O Fortuna

[hushed mason]

Contemporary or a classical piece?

Oh you found it. I wouldn't have thought that the orchestra was "high pitched" in that one.

[lavish harbor]

It's a classical I think, don't know my music so much, but got to find it randomly in a boss battle music

found some high pitched versions that's why I thought it was the case !

[scarlet zephyr]

I actually have O Fortuna lined up for my party's next fight haha

[hushed mason]

It's Carl Orff, 20th century.

[stoic obsidian]

Why does it bother me when I see someone give their character a disability that mess with the use of their character class features?

[lavish harbor]

can't go more epic can we ?

[solid spruce]

Well it is not efficient, so you might feel frustrated

[hushed mason]

Sure you can. Dies Irae from Karl Jenkin's Requiem.

[lavish harbor]

thanks for the clarification ! as you can guess, not an expert here so I stand corrected

[lavish harbor]

I'll look into that right now

[scarlet zephyr]

They'll be seaward, fighting a zombified pirate crew, so storms and gales abound, then this will play, and a SIGNIFICANT traitor from one of the party's backstory is going to stride up from the decks calling out a man-to-man duel.

[hushed mason]

Karl Jenkins: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Dies+Irae+jenkins&&mid=43D95C20DAB759B094BD43D95C20DAB759B094BD&FORM=VAMGZC

[solid spruce]

Niiiice

[keen snow]

Hi guys

[stoic obsidian]

And they could have worked out a way that they have a disability without it causing a conflict with class features or mechanics

[scarlet zephyr]

when you say "mess with", to what extent?

[hushed mason]

Actually, there's a number of selections from The Armed Man and Requiem that would work well for background music. Even the De Beers theme he wrote would work.

[solid spruce]

Yeah

What was the exact situation ?

[stoic obsidian]

Like giving you character a bum leg as a rogue, so you can’t use cunning action dash feature

[scarlet zephyr]

yeah that's just... unnecessary

[raw ocean]

Friend is trying to convince me to play barbarian, I will never compromise on my morals

[hushed mason]

It's unnecessary to givve them any kind of disability.

[raw ocean]

It's unnecessary to play elden ring blind folded but people still do it

Human choice is truly odd

[stoic obsidian]

Or if they want it, they can have it be flavor that doesn’t impede class features

[hushed mason]

You should look up the lyrics to O Fortuna. 🙂

And if you like it, I really do recommend the Dies Irae I posted.

[solid spruce]

Ooof

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah

It bugs me, but hey it their character

[hushed mason]

Weren't you the one wanting to play a vampire?

[stoic obsidian]

Me?

[hushed mason]

Yes. Must have been someone else with a nickname starting with "H". Sorry.

I'd be a lot more annoyed with a party member that can never do anything outside during the day than I would if they just had a bum leg.r

[stoic obsidian]

I don’t if I did

[stoic obsidian]

That fair

[hushed mason]

It was Hayato Τhe Seeker. Sorry! My bad!

[stoic obsidian]

It mostly a me thing tbh, and what you described is more annoying

[abstract beacon]

Would you guys say tunnel fighter is a good fighting style or nah?

[solid spruce]

An order of the gauntlet fellow would never want to play a filthy bloodsucker !!

[stoic obsidian]

Tunnel?

[solid spruce]

Op in my opinion

[abstract beacon]

Yea it’s pretty cool

[solid spruce]

Game breaking

[stoic obsidian]

Explain?

[abstract beacon]

Fr?

[stoic obsidian]

Yes

[torpid ocean]

just watched honor among thieves

[abstract beacon]

It’s like a whole new ability

[torpid ocean]

it kinda sucked tbh :P

[solid spruce]

It just allow you to have an unlimmited amount of opportunity attacks

Game breaking in hord fight or tight spaces

[reef tundra]

Blasphemous /lhj
idk I enjoyed it

[torpid ocean]

I wish there was a fighter mechanic that allowed you to zero out people to 1v1 them

[solid spruce]

Add the sentinel feat and you have an untoutchable player

[stoic obsidian]

Seem more like a corridor fight

[reef tundra]

In other words, you could say… a tunnel :D

[scarlet zephyr]

that would be colossally game breaking

[solid spruce]

I mean, this would be it

[torpid ocean]

I honestly just hated the main character, he's boring, doesn't have any cool things to him and got himself in the situation he drags other people down into

[solid spruce]

The tunnel fighter style added to the sentinel feat

[torpid ocean]

would it be? I'm honestly not experienced with the rules at all so idk if my ideas break the game lol

[torpid ocean]

is there any class or subclass that lets you zero in on people?

[stoic obsidian]

Okay I get it now, you are talking about a 15 ft wide corridor with the fighter up front making were no one can get to your allies because they are stuck

[reef tundra]

Surprisingly, the rogue swashbuckler is encouraged to fight enemies 1 on 1

[torpid ocean]

don't rogues always 1v1 people?

[solid spruce]

Paladin, battlemaster fighter, some Warlock, Even wizard with the right spell

[reef tundra]

Since they can sneak attack for free as long as the enemy doesn’t have any allies near them

[reef tundra]

No, rogues excel at taking advantage of enemies focused on other targets

[solid spruce]

They cant alway do it

[abstract beacon]

Also, anyone here familiar with warhammer vermintide 2?

[reef tundra]

They cannot sneak attack alone unless they have distance or cover

[stoic obsidian]

Martials are better at 1v1s or focus fire in this case

Tho wizards are comparable

[solid spruce]

So yeah, it is definitly game breaking

[stoic obsidian]

Until they are grappled

[solid spruce]

It allow you to Technically have an infinite amount of attack in one turn, as long as ennemies pass you

[stoic obsidian]

Nothing is invincible in dnd

[abstract beacon]

From what I understand it allows you to opportunity attack without using your reaction and you can attack people that come 5ft near you right?

[solid spruce]

No, but it can still break the game XD

[solid spruce]

Exactly

[scarlet zephyr]

Well imagine if they put a bit into Barb, raged, and forced the enemy to just look at them, forever. The rest of the party can do as they please with impunity, taking actions that would normally come with great risk, freely without a care.

[reef tundra]

One big cost of tunnel fighter is that it takes your whole action iirc, so it can’t be used in every situation

[abstract beacon]

So not only can you attack infinitely against people leaving your range, but you also get 1 free attack for anyone that comes within your range

[abstract beacon]

It’s a bonus action

[reef tundra]

Grappling is already a good way to make an enemy focus on you, as most of the time they’d prefer to strike the target they don’t have disadvantage on

[reef tundra]

Oh dayum never mind it’s crazy

[scarlet zephyr]

Yes, but grappling still leaves a choice. This removes that choice entirely

[solid spruce]

And if you add the sentinel feat, you can just have an infinity amount of attack for créature coming into your range, and of you hit their speed become 0

[scarlet zephyr]

also, some enemies cannot be grappled.

[reef tundra]

Which ability is this?

[solid spruce]

Meaning they cannot ever touch you I you have a spear

[reef tundra]

That is a very good point

[abstract beacon]

That’s pretty busted, imagine being a fighter champion or battlemaster with this combo

[solid spruce]

Exactly

[reef tundra]

I think I’d be pretty alright with having it in my games if it took an action.

[stoic obsidian]

You can only do one since opportunity attack take a reaction

[abstract beacon]

Nuh uh

[reef tundra]

Not with tunnel fighter <3

[solid spruce]

Game breaking. Normally sentinel is balanced by having one reaction, there fore being only efficient against one creature

[solid spruce]

Tunnel fighter remote that completely

[abstract beacon]

Tunnel fighter takes no reaction to use

[solid spruce]

Exactly

[abstract beacon]

Only a bonus action to activate , that lasts until the start of your next turn

[reef tundra]

I like putting some verisimilitude in my enemy behaviour so I’d make the fifth enemy realise they probably shouldn’t run up to this person going absolutely ham

[stoic obsidian]

Wait it a subclass?

[abstract beacon]

Fighting style

[reef tundra]

Fighting style <3 any fighter, Ranger, or paladin can get it

[solid spruce]

So even if a hord of 60 creature is attacking you, they cant ever touch you, and they cannot Even run

[reef tundra]

Thank god it was just UA (iirc?)

[solid spruce]

Stuck forever in range

[abstract beacon]

Yea it’s UA

[reef tundra]

Amen

[solid spruce]

Pray moradin’s beard it stay this way

[abstract beacon]

By Durin can you imagine just endlessly attacking so long as people keep coming near you?

[stoic obsidian]

……

Yup should stay in the ua realm

[reef tundra]

I feel like it seems much stronger on paper because logically how many people can squeeze in around you?

[solid spruce]

Technically a lot

[reef tundra]

I’m not disagreeing with its power, it’s still strong

[solid spruce]

Especially if you have a 10 or 15ft reach

[reef tundra]

I just remembered reach weapons

[abstract beacon]

I mean if you have a goading attack as one of your battlemaster manoeuvres you can squeeze in a few more

[reef tundra]

I take it back

[solid spruce]

Conclusion : game breaking

[abstract beacon]

Literally Benkei

[reef tundra]

Now people don’t even have to be aiming for you, they could just be running past this giant mob and suddenly a spear pokes through the mass of people and smacks you

[solid spruce]

And if you consider 3D fight…

[abstract beacon]

Or that Norwegian Viking at Stamford bridge

[glass granite]

Hi not disagreeing with its power, I’m Nugget

[stoic obsidian]

And enemies can run through their ally spaces so technically you can hit them too

[solid spruce]

And you are forced to stop forever

[reef tundra]

Hi nugget 😭

[glass granite]

Are we talking about cavalier or tunnel fighter?

[abstract beacon]

Imagine swinging a halberd to cleave through hordes of enemies

[solid spruce]

I have to say, the entrance is legendary

[stoic obsidian]

Tunnel fighter

[abstract beacon]

Hi nugget

[solid spruce]

Just f summoned

[glass granite]

Greetings

[stoic obsidian]

Imagine it on halberd hunter ranger

[abstract beacon]

Can you also imagine being a rune knight or giant barbarian?

[solid spruce]

By sheer power

[solid spruce]

Giant barbarian especially

[reef tundra]

Wait barbs don’t get fighting styles

Amen for fighting initiate

[abstract beacon]

30 feet of range, with a melee weapon, you instantly become an area denial zone for any melee focused creature

[abstract beacon]

I think they do

[solid spruce]

I have calculated that with a giant barbarian choosing the right race and a glaive, wich is the only reach & heavy weapon, you can hit melee with 25ft range

[remote wadi]

It could sure, but already having 60 feet is a lot. Not something I would want to waste an early feat on

[reef tundra]

They don’t

[solid spruce]

And add feats like sentinel, GWM and polearm master

[abstract beacon]

Omg fighting initiate

[solid spruce]

Yeah

[abstract beacon]

It’s all clicking into place

[solid spruce]

One barrier stopping dnd from collapsing : UA

[abstract beacon]

I thought it looked good on paper but I never gave it THIS much thought

[solid spruce]

I did

[reef tundra]

Has anybody ever taken fighting initiate as a full caster?

[abstract beacon]

Idk

[reef tundra]

I’m just curious

[solid spruce]

That is why I am able to tell you immediatly, it is game breaking. And my next caracter will be a bugbear giant barb

[abstract beacon]

Bugbear too? Holy moly

[reef tundra]

That may be the scariest sentence I’ve heard today

[glass granite]

Amity is correct, barbs no get fighting style

[abstract beacon]

I wanted to try giant barb cause of the throwing stuff

[solid spruce]

With a glaive and 3 feats objectifs : sentinel, GWM and polearm master

[abstract beacon]

Just chucking weapons and friends and foes alike

[glass granite]

Yup
Wanted cure wounds as a non divine soul sorcerer

[tribal geode]

my aunt got me the dm guide 2024 for christmas

[solid spruce]

I have calculated it and I have met god doing so

[stoic obsidian]

Wizard:I cast enlarge/reduce on our Autognome barbarian
suddenly four other Autognome appear and they combine into Ultra Auto Z
Barbarian:Thank you for releasing my true form
Wizard:Ummmmm yeah, your welcome!?!?

[abstract beacon]

Nice

[tribal geode]

i is happy now

[reef tundra]

Wait what?

[solid spruce]

There is way more

[glass granite]

Am I missing smt? Sorcerers don’t usually get cure wounds, no?

[solid spruce]

You want to know the full truth ? Be aware, it is frightening

[reef tundra]

Fighting initiate just gives you a fighting style, where’d you get cure wounds from?

[abstract beacon]

Wait hold your horses

[solid spruce]

Célestial sorcerers do I think

[glass granite]

I misread as magic initiate, oops

[raw ocean]

Im holding my horse

[reef tundra]

-# Am I saying the right feat?

[abstract beacon]

Hol

[reef tundra]

Ah

[raw ocean]

My horse has ran off into the sunset, what do I do?

[solid spruce]

Go get him

[reef tundra]

Walk

[abstract beacon]

Call mr steel

[raw ocean]

I don't have a phone or legs.

[glass granite]

And yes I have, wanted extra AC as my Forge Cleric
Wasn’t worth it, but having 22 AC was funny

[abstract beacon]

You don’t have legs???

[solid spruce]

Then pray.

[raw ocean]

God has abandoned me, just like my horse has.

I have nothing but myself.

I will bring this kingdom to ruin, for my dear horse albert.

[solid spruce]

Then go. And kill god. Take his place

[abstract beacon]

Learn spinjitsu man idk

[solid spruce]

Commit heresy

[raw ocean]

I have killed god, yet albert has not returned to me.

[marble lion]

Do it again

[raw ocean]

what is the point of going on, without my horse. fades away

[abstract beacon]

Rewrite the universe to get him back

[raw ocean]

peak story telling

[solid spruce]

Come back

Finish what you started

The revolution

[raw ocean]

The next story begins, albert's son begins to look for his rider.

[solid spruce]

Is now

[raw ocean]

But he is already gone, laid nothing in his path but a false revolution...

Now that is what I expect of those paid D&D campaigns

[solid spruce]

Anyway, do you want the full giant bugbear build ? It will be a pleasure to share my hours

[abstract beacon]

Anyways, since in my previous campaign I played a spellcaster, I was thinking about a martial class for the next one , idc much about op and stuff like that but I wanna play something fun

[abstract beacon]

You could dm it to me

[solid spruce]

Perfect

[raw ocean]

What is the largest most intimidating playable race in D&D?

[abstract beacon]

Also I don’t really like multiclassing , just kinda confuses the bolts outta me

Anyways

[abstract beacon]

^

[scarlet zephyr]

dude please dont spam your own message 2 minutes after you sent it.

[solid spruce]

Id say bugbear

[raw ocean]

Awaken, bugbear cleric that's a pacifist

[scarlet zephyr]

I actually think Lizardfolk are up there with intimidating tbh

[solid spruce]

What do you mean ?

[raw ocean]

I like firbolg, getting invisibility as an ability is pretty neat

[solid spruce]

Not big enough XD

[scarlet zephyr]

7-8ft tall?

[stoic haven]

How are we all doing

[scarlet zephyr]

Good, yourself?

[raw ocean]

Can't firbolg hit 8 feet at 300 pounds?

They are like a friendly bugbear

they get powerful build too

[scarlet zephyr]

Yes but I don't agree size is everything for intimidating. Like it's in lore that the lizardfolk are extremely odd in their demeanour, staring at newcomers to size up if they are "predator" or "prey" relative to themselves.

[stoic haven]

Doing good, making a character with 3rd party stuff for a campaign

[finite pilot]

Hello!!

[hot marlin]

I realized something... Tenser's transformation might be the worst spell in the game for a wizard

[jovial shadow]

Don't use it

[hot marlin]

Absolutely.

Don't even bother writing it down.

Burn spell scrolls that have it. Well, no, you can sell those

[solid spruce]

NOT BIG ENOUGH

[lavish flame]

Itd be pretty sweet if it wasn't Self tho

if it was Touch, itd be pretty unreal on ur allies

[woven flint]

It is self though lol

Unless you mean wasn't self, which now I see from context 😭

[lavish flame]

that was supposed to be wasn't, yeah

[woven flint]

You know
Tensers, Otherworldly Guise and Draconic transformation would all be pretty cool if you could apply them to friends

[stoic haven]

What is tenser's

[jovial shadow]

Neither are Core Rule spells, so the vast majority of people won't miss them anyway

[lavish flame]

Tenser's Transformation just roids out the caster who does it. They do some extra dice on melee weapon hits and get some better health, they get armor proficiencies (though with Armor Don times, thats negligible)

[woven flint]

I could see a level where it's potentially good for bladesingers because it does like an extra 2d12 per hit, which is a hit more than most cantrips, bit it's also a bonus action so ...

[hot marlin]

Problem is, it's a concentration spell that lasts ten minutes.

And it prevents you from casting spells. And it can end up giving you a level of exhaustion

You use a sixth level spell slot to become a worse fighter. For ten minutes. And you can't cast spells. And if you're stupid enough to put on an armour while under the spell's effect, you've just wasted some of that limited time.

And when the spell ends, not only do you risk exhaustion, but you might still be wearing that armour and you still can't cast

Even for a bladesinger it's a terrible spell. Especially for a bladesinger, who is already wearing armour, already has ways to reduce damage better than those fifty temp hp, already has ways to boost their melee damage, already has extra attack.

It's just horrible all around

This is literally worse than using your sixth level spell slot to fireball yourself

And can you imagine the worst thing someone could do to you while under this horrible, horrible spell? Dispel it.

You have been turned worse than useless by a single action and spell slot from the enemy

The only interesting thing about it is the 2d12 force damage.

[remote wadi]

Question about Goodberry

What does it mean "up to 10 berries"?

[umbral girder]

You can make 10 berries

[marble lion]

No more than 10

[umbral girder]

Or less if you feel like it

[umbral girder]

10 or less berries.

Each berry heals 1 hp

[remote wadi]

Didn't know if the amount was randomized

[uncut zenith]

Me 15 seconds ago: “Heals what?!””

[remote wadi]

But choosing any amount with 10 max makes sense

[umbral girder]

That too technically /jk

[rough basalt]

Nah it's up to 10.
Tho you're always gonna make 10

Cause may as well get the full value for a spell slot

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah

Or you want to teach your team a lesson about ration preparation and only have a few to yourself /hj

[hot marlin]

I can't quite imagine a situation where someone wants to make less than 10...

Oh wait, no, I can imagine one situation.

[remote wadi]

See the above comment with a grain of salt

[hot marlin]

If you want to trick someone, poisoning them. You make nine goodberries, slip in a tenth one that is not a goodberry, but a poisoned berry

[umbral girder]

Bad guy steals the remaining berries and heals them self Sun Wukong style

Best moment in video gaming history to me.

Peak trolling. Need to try that some day in a session

[remote wadi]

Anyways, I'm seeing why I should pick that over Cure Wounds. Only 3 more damage at a max roll, or a guaranteed 10 with nourishment at the cost of bonus actions in combat

[hot marlin]

Don't spoil the final boss of a (very) good game!

[umbral girder]

I don’t even know what game it is, I just saw a gif

[umbral girder]

Cure wounds can potentially heal more and is done in 1 turn

[hot marlin]

But... A boss that has the ability, as a reaction to someone within 10 feet drinking a potion, to steal the potion and drink it would be dirty

[umbral girder]

Goodberry is useful and consistent out side of combat

Nice

[rough basalt]

That gives me an idea

[glass granite]

Yeah, its main use isn’t healing in combat but rather for saving on rations and healing out of combat

[umbral girder]

“They cast hold person and take away your staff of healing”

[hot marlin]

Using it in combat is indeed... Not the worst idea, but if you're so desperate that you need 1 HP, you should be running away

[remote wadi]

Not trying to pick 2 healing spells, especially with 3 other people who can heal with spells

Besides, level 5 means I can only prepare 4 level 1 spells

[rough basalt]

Gonna make a boss that has an extra arm

And it has a reaction to grab consumables out of your hand when you try to use them

[scarlet zephyr]

clearly going the other way from the 'armless option then

[rough basalt]

Your potion? Nah my potion.

[remote wadi]

So 3 of them will likely be ensnaring strike, goodberry, and Fog Cloud

[umbral girder]

I wasn’t saying pick 2 spells. You asked why pick one over the other and I gave the benefits of both.

[remote wadi]

I did see that. But Cure Wounds is randomized, meaning a 50/50 odds that overall healing will be worse than Goodberry with no additional effects

[umbral girder]

Cure wounds can also be upcasted

[hot marlin]

Cure wounds cures all that in a single action. Goodberry requires ten bonus actions to cure 10 hp, meaning ten turns

Cure wounds gives all that HP back in six seconds, goodberry requires a minute.

[remote wadi]

Inside combat, though. Which, will not last long if this build is anything to go by

[hot marlin]

And goodberry can't save downed teammates, cure wounds can

[remote wadi]

And I'll say this again, we have three people who can heal with spellcasting

[umbral girder]

Yeah but the DC for hunting for a bunch of food isn’t that hard to beat even in the most rough terrain in 5e

And rations are dirt cheap too

[humble cairn]

Reminder, this is 2014 Ranger? So you don't get to swap a spell per day?

[remote wadi]

2014, yes

[umbral girder]

You mean homebrew

[remote wadi]

We have a bard, Cleric, and a paladin who could prepare and use Cure Wounds if needed

And while yes, Cure Wounds can be upcasted, that means fewer opportunities to cast a much better 2nd level spell: Pass Without Trace

[hot marlin]

At the end of the day, as a ranger in a party with access to healing spells, yeah, you honestly shouldn't care. And in fact, it might not even be worth taking goodberry

[scarlet zephyr]

if your party is playing stealth that is

[glass granite]

Goodberry here likely will only be good to not have to worry about food

[remote wadi]

Goodberry would be great to choose, though. It isn't until level 5 that my Bonus Action has more frequent usage

[hot marlin]

What does it have to do with your bonus action?

You will not be using it in combat anyways

[humble cairn]

2014 Goodberry is an Action both to cast and to eat.

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately, I'm doubtful. Paladin, Cleric, and Fighter, at least 1 has heavy armor. But I can tell them to stay far away enough to avoid enemies detecting them

[humble cairn]

Better get Pass Without Trace ASAP.

[rough basalt]

Me looking at Nealen when I tell him my stealth roll is a 43 cause we got PWT

[remote wadi]

Probably not, honestly. They weren't going to worry about Stealth for now, but I can ask then to consider it as we approach the next levels

[humble cairn]

I mean with PWT it becomes a lot easier.

[hot marlin]

Trick of the day: Find a way to get 30 dex, expertise in stealth, PWT and the epic boon of undetectability

[umbral girder]

It’s a nice spell

[remote wadi]

It does for sure, but I'm trying to think about what our party would look like now vs 2-3 levels from now

[hot marlin]

PWT is not primarily for making already stealthy characters stealthier. It's for making the party composed of clumsy idiots wearing clanky armour actually stealthy

With that +10, even the paladin with 8 dex wearing the heaviest armour in the game has a very good chance of being stealthy

[rough basalt]

My brain is so rotted rn

[remote wadi]

Hmmm, that is a good point. I just feel like I should work towards assassin first, especially because I should be able to get a better weapon by then anyways

[humble cairn]

Yeah PWT isn't for you, it's to make up for the rest of your party.

[remote wadi]

PWT and an Extra attack is great, but it's hard to feel like it's that much better than those levels in Rogue. Especially when my Steady Aim feature can make the Sharpshooter active ability raise my combat effectiveness outside of the first turn

[humble cairn]

This is less effective than Extra Attack.

[glass granite]

A reminder that extra attack is gonna increase your damage by a LOT

[umbral girder]

Also you get more spell slots and spell options as you level along with your class features

[humble cairn]

You're burning a BA to roll twice. That's rolling twice for one attack. When you could you know .. attack twice.

This is why True Strike '14 sucked.

[jovial shadow]

Why would you try to eat berries in the middle of combat anyway?

[rough basalt]

Usually it's a desperation thing

"I got nothing else so may as well"

[jovial shadow]

It's one hit point

[humble cairn]

And two attacks would add your modifier twice. If you have Dex +5 that's 10 damage anyway, plus two times the weapon damage.

[rough basalt]

Anything can potentially help

[glass granite]

Plus if you’re daring, sharpshooter too

[rough basalt]

At low levels any hp point mattwrs

[hot marlin]

To be fair, a character that has been fighting for hours in a battle should probably take a goodberry.

[humble cairn]

No, see I think Bloodline wants to stop Gloomstalker at level 3 to rush Assassin 3 for the autocrits, banking on Steady Aim to make Sharpshooter worthwhile.

[hot marlin]

If you are desperate enough that you need one hit point, I can't help but think that bonus action should be used for something else.

[humble cairn]

Which .. it doesn't.

[rough basalt]

Not everyone has regular BAs to use

[hot marlin]

Fair

Although I do have to say that Bloodline is playing 2014. Which means it's an action

[umbral girder]

A great first level spell for Ranger is Zephyr Strike

[jovial shadow]

One hit point is close to nothing