dnd-discussion

[snow agate]

I believe the reason is because it allows for a cycle of life without creating the existential dread of the eternal nothing. Personally I do agree being a vampire is cool, but going to heaven and chilling as an angel and then turning into dust eventually and reincarnating is also cool

[naive cedar]

when you really think about it the whole dead three issue is ao's fault

[scenic zinc]

She got killed by cyric before taking the name and then elminster found her spirit in a bear

[rugged hawk]

Now, while that doesn't sound so bad on the surface, the whole 'mandatory personality and memories deleted' part is the real stickler.

[blissful ibex]

bearly hanging on

[snow agate]

It’s just respawn mechanics xd

[rough basalt]

It's awkward.

[snow agate]

Hardcore mode

[rough basalt]

Midnight died but got better

[woven flint]

It's funny how the Dead Three are literally not only Death Deities but also, literally the DEAD three.

[scenic zinc]

Whereas mystral mystra was just outright deleted by helm

[rugged hawk]

But some folks don't wanna respawn! Some may even want to simply cease, rather than continually respawn.

[woven flint]

Them being dead is why they're called the dead three, I know, but it's funny

[naive cedar]

meanwhile myrkul is the only actual god of death

[snow agate]

kinda cringe innit

[rough basalt]

She tried to barge her way into heaven by using "i wanna speak to the manager" no jutsu

[scenic zinc]

I honestly think it's moreso a joke on the "bad things come in threes" adage

[rough basalt]

But unfortunately for her the Manager told Assistant Manager Helm he's allowed to beat up the former employees

[knotty pasture]

God of murder is somewhat related to dying I suppose

[naive cedar]

mystra gives me major "wants to speak to the manager" vibes anyways

[rough basalt]

The 2nd one was

[knotty pasture]

What doesn't make sense is Bane, what does the god of tyranny have anything to do with dying

[scenic zinc]

Lots of people die under dictatorships

[snow agate]

Mystra gives me major “hr worker who I depend on but will destroy my life on a whim”

[woven flint]

I mean, they're all connected to death one way or another If you want to be pedantic

[knotty pasture]

It makes as much sense as Mystra being dead three

Cuz magic could kill too

[rough basalt]

They're called the Dead Three cause they want a title that makes them sound scarier than they are

[naive cedar]

honestly thats even more accurate

[snow agate]

Truth impact

[rugged hawk]

The Dead Three are all about oppression: of the living (Bane), of the dead (Myrkul), and of everything (Bhaal)

[naive cedar]

also three and seven are iconic numbers in fiction for some reason

[rough basalt]

The reality is Myrkul is the only one to worry about

[woven flint]

The Snoozefest Three

The Loser Trio

[naive cedar]

bhaal has tried to kickstart the apocolypse at least twice so im not sure about that

[woven flint]

Bhaal is pretty cool

[rough basalt]

He only acts alongside the other two musketeers cause Bane is easy to manipulate and Bhaal is a blunt instrument

[knotty pasture]

Bhaalists are given way more attention as a faction

[red steppe]

What makes Myrkul scary?

[rough basalt]

He's actually smart

[knotty pasture]

He's a floating giant skeleton

[red steppe]

Hes got my worship

[woven flint]

Myrkul is a Cunning individual

[rough basalt]

Bhaal and Bane are both idiots when it comes to anything outside what their good at

[rugged hawk]

Myrkul's an idiot or he wouldn't have thrown in with Bane and Bhaal in the first place.

[naive cedar]

anothr thing i find funny is that theres technically two gods of death. kelemvor is like the "good" (or less creepy) god of death

[blissful ibex]

also a really sick MTG card XD

[rough basalt]

Myrkul throws in with them cause they're idiots and easy to use

[naive cedar]

have you seen banes mtg card

[woven flint]

Kelemvor is the main pantheon Death Deity

[rugged hawk]

Kelemvor is the god of death. Myrkul is the god of the dead, big difference

[knotty pasture]

Bane's not that dumb imo

[naive cedar]

bro looks like a league of legends character

[rough basalt]

He's dumb via being too arrogant

[knotty pasture]

Bhaal is the murder hobo (literally) that would mess everything up just to see red liquid flowing

[naive cedar]

bane is a handsome young man

[rough basalt]

He doesn't use his brain cause he doesn't think he needs to

[woven flint]

Funnily enough, Bhaal ISN'T a Chaotic Evil Deity

[rough basalt]

Cyric is actually the murderhobo deity

[snow agate]

Based?

[rough basalt]

Bhaal is a murderer with style

[naive cedar]

wait i thought he was chaotic evil, myrkul was neutral, and bane was lawful?

[rough basalt]

Cyric is the type of guy that just kills anyone for being in his range

[jovial shadow]

That's nothing. There used to be many Gods of Death before Forgotten Realms took over D&D. Hade, Hela, Anubis etc. in AD&D Deities and Demigods.

[naive cedar]

cyric is a loki type god

[rugged hawk]

Even more funny, Bhaal is the least sane of the Three / the most ruled by his concept. He's fully consumed by the NEED to feed the bloodlust.

[rough basalt]

Cyric is so evil and unpredictable that Ao regrets letting him be a deity and has him locked up

[rugged hawk]

It's also why all his plans fail, since he keeps encountering people who can resist THE INSTINCT, unlike him

[woven flint]

Nope, Bhaal and Myrkul are both Neutral Evil

[snow agate]

I’d say Cyric is a pretty crap evil god all things considered he’s basically just a crashout shooter

[knotty pasture]

But isn't that just survivorship bias

[woven flint]

Bhaal doesn't murder JUST to murder, he has goals

[naive cedar]

thats so funny considering that ao will seemingly let anyone become a god

[knotty pasture]

Cuz there's so much media where Bhaal and his bloodline are main antagonists

[rough basalt]

Yep and that was his mistake with Cyric

[rugged hawk]

He literally does, though. That was his ENTIRE PROBLEM with whatsherface in BG3, because she killed WITH STYLE when all he wanted was EVERYONE DEAD BY ANY MEANS.

[naive cedar]

yeah but they're usually trying to start the apocolypse

[rough basalt]

He let Cyric become a God and cyric just started massacring God's for portfolios, fun, just cause they were nearby

[woven flint]

If Ao let me be a Deity, we'd all be cooked in better hands, because I'd bring whimsy back

[knotty pasture]

You hardly see a Banite or a Myrkulite being the main antagonist, they usually are just secondary antagonists

[naive cedar]

orin

[knotty pasture]

Less chance to focus on the ones that break free

[red steppe]

Cyric is just silly like that

[naive cedar]

well yeah because being dead and/or a tyrant isnt as interesting as being a murderhobo

[rugged hawk]

Thay would like to point our their existence.

[knotty pasture]

Isn't she just following the plan though, if she got all three netherstones (ignoring what'd actually happen if she does) she would have got everyone dead

[rugged hawk]

Orin is the singular biggest reason Bhaal failed

[naive cedar]

bhaal wants his chosen to just massacre everyone and not care about style or whatever

also orin was just kind of an incompetent person anyways tbh

[knotty pasture]

She needs therapy but uh

[naive cedar]

thats one way of putting it

[knotty pasture]

She would have stabbed the therapist to death so who's to say

[woven flint]

Bhaal being a more considerable threat is reasonable, he puts it best himself:
“I choose death...I can destroy your kingdom, Bane, by murdering your subjects, and I can starve your kingdom, Myrkul, by staying my hand.”
— Bhaal

[snow agate]

I think the reason for bane is that WOTC likes to frame DnD as more lighthearted and you can’t do that with a lawful evil villain about power and crushing dissent, since it gets too real and thought out instead of just “oh these guys who wanna destroy the world burned down the village”

[rough basalt]

Then both laugh at him when he's not looking cause what's baby bhaal gonna do

[naive cedar]

this is probably correct and tbh i wonderif thats part of the reason gortash was so underwhelming. antagonists who just act like real world tyrants arent as fun

[woven flint]

Start Bhaal-ing!
Imagine Bhaal on a basketball court absolutely MURDERING some ankles.

[rough basalt]

Bhaal definitely has jam tho

[red bloom]

Do y'all start random campaigns with people who just want to play

[knotty pasture]

Idk I think Gortash was the best designed of the dead three

[rough basalt]

He'd be two hand dunking on Bane

[knotty pasture]

Orin is a murder hobo, Ketheric is a trope

[rough basalt]

But in a fight, Bhaal gets clapped

[naive cedar]

ehhh, in theory hes definitely the most fleshed out since orin is just a murderhobo and ketheric is a generic "my wife/daughter died boo hoo" character, but actually taking him down is so underwhelming

[red bloom]

Answer?

[rugged hawk]

That's because all Bhaal is, and all he has, is an insane compulsion to KILL. If you make your Will saves, he's literally powerless. It's why he loses every single time.

[red steppe]

He murders people's basketball careers

[woven flint]

Guess you could say Bhaal's KILLING it..

[knotty pasture]

Tbf yeah you could just rush Gortash down asap, there's no long wild goose chase to lead up to Gortash

[red bloom]

Question have you guys heard of legend of drizzt

[naive cedar]

ketheric has an entire act almost worth of build up. beating a dude up in his office is so underwhelming in comparison

[red steppe]

Drizzt nu-

[rough basalt]

Yeah, the John Menzoberranzan franchise

[knotty pasture]

I liked Gortash's monologues about him exploiting the masses

[rugged hawk]

Did you know that Drizzt is the most c-

[naive cedar]

as in the books? yeah

[woven flint]

If I ever get charged with murder, I'm gonna blame it on Bhaal in the courtroom, I hope the jury finds my case solid enough

[oak shoal]

It's mostly because the upper city was cut. I'm sure a lot of lower city was meant for Bhaal shenanigans, then the bane stuff would happen upper city

[red bloom]

Yeah

[knotty pasture]

Weirdly magnetizing and relatable to listen to

[rough basalt]

Man named Tokii to launch the S panic 2 electric boogaloo

[naive cedar]

oh yeah. jason isaacs is a great actor

[snow agate]

it can also be because (generally speaking) power and domination bad guys arent as uh...like dramatic to fight? because at the end of the day they dont want to destroy everything you hold dear, they just wanna be in charge of it

[knotty pasture]

Upper city mod when

[red bloom]

Btw I'm looking to ask do y'all just join random campaigns with random people

[rough basalt]

Mostly yeah

[snow agate]

yeah thats how you meet new people

[red bloom]

Cool

[rugged hawk]

I mean, I'm sitting here listening to y'alls free actions spent ranting...

[naive cedar]

i have faith that people will make mods restoring some of the cut content considering how much from kotor 2 and fallout 2 has been restored for example

[rough basalt]

They certainly can be, but video games have limits

[rugged hawk]

Now where's some RP EXP for my efforts here?

[idle oar]

Check out the information in #find-a-game to learn how to use our Looking For Game channels to find a game/group to join.

[rough basalt]

Domination bad guys work well in a long term sort of situation

Have them conquer PCs towns and crush their loved ones under foot and stuff

[naive cedar]

this is also true. some guy who just wants to be a dictator isnt that interesting especially in a fantasy game where you can fight liches and vampires and thigns like that

[rough basalt]

Have them manipulate the masses and turn the party into public enemy number 1

[rugged hawk]

Remember, a hero can only save the city, but never lead it. Because only the Bad Guys have a Plan that will keep the civil services and local militia running.

Monday you're whacking an evil tyrant, Thursday everyone be revolting again because the hero couldn't set up a trash pickup schedule.

[round estuary]

Hello guys is their a race you can be a dragon

[valid geyser]

Also I think a lot of the more lawful bad guys on the more mundane side need a little more personal connection for someone to invest in it
I mean for the other guys is “they wanna destroy the world? That’s where I put all my stuff!”

[rugged hawk]

I mean, to be fair, who cares if 'they wanna destroy the world'? There's an infinite cosmology to go live somewhere else in.

[round estuary]

Chaotic good is my favorite

[jovial shadow]

A dragon is it's own "race". If you mean Dragonborn, then nope.

[rough basalt]

Because it's your world

And if your character won't save their world time to make one that will

[snow agate]

crying because i wrote like a whole paragraph

I said the other word for the devil

[round estuary]

Isn’t like all lawful kinda blend tho idk

Bland

[naive cedar]

not unless you play it as bland

[round estuary]

I guess lawful good has personality cause their cops or whatever

[blissful ibex]

lawful just means you stick to some sort of code
whether it be a personal code, a legal code, or something else

[naive cedar]

lawful evil in particular can be very interesting

[round estuary]

But lawful bad always kinda been bland unless they like an assassin I guess idk

[rugged hawk]

"Oh no, the world's in danger!"
"Okay, and? There's a portal, go live in Sigil or the Astral Plane or Elysium or the Plane of Air, or wherever else you'd like."

[valid geyser]

Yeah, I’d rather just stop the bad guy then spend all the money to transport everyone to sigil. That place stinks anyway

[knotty pasture]

We were just talking about how I think Gortash (lawful evil) is one of the better designed villains lol

The non combat part at least

[naive cedar]

yeah thats a great example. hes unmistakably evil but hes actually completely loyal in his alliances

which is way more interesting than "lol killing people XD"

[rugged hawk]

Now you're being silly. There's no need to transport everyone to Sigil or anywhere else. If they can't escape and the end of the world kills them, that's just Darwinism, ain't it?

[red steppe]

How do you even beat the Lady of Pain?

[rough basalt]

You don't

[rugged hawk]

You don't.

[round estuary]

I still think chaotic good is goated but sometimes I like to think what I would be in real life and I think we all kinda neutral we probably break the law for someone idk

[snow agate]

ok to repeat the example:
i have seen this done well in an indie game i played a few months ago where the main plotline is a cult of (basically the devil) props up a power hungry minister to take over the empire and usurp the empress by backstabbing her. the intended goal of the minister, on paper, was to create a more free and modern society, rid of the powers that be of aristocrats and nobility. however to do so, he had to wipe out dissent, so he went around killing any dissenting lords, heavily propagandizing children, kidnapping, holding innocents hostage, exterminating the church, etc etc. you as the protagonists basically end up betrayed by your own country as the grand army wipes out your army, and you begin an uprising leading to civil war, ultimately ending in the defeat of the evil cult and the minister.

This is the best example ive seen so far of a power and domination bad guy that was dramatic and cool while being believable, but it also has a bunch of layers compared to rawr evil dragon

[naive cedar]

whats the game called?

[red steppe]

Vecna managed to resist the Lady of Pain, how did he do it

[snow agate]

Symphony of War Nephilim Saga

[blissful ibex]

by being Vecna XD (no clue)

[valid geyser]

Meh at least it seems like a hassle to move all my stuff to sigil. That place probably has crazy rent

[naive cedar]

ty

[mighty heart]

Anaeli

[naive cedar]

ooh this looks interesting

[red steppe]

Yeah but like how

[blissful ibex]

Just stick it all in a demiplane or a chest in the Ethereal Plane

[round estuary]

I mean farcry is kinda like that

[rough basalt]

He got an ancient power that let him into Sigil and got something that basically held her in a stalemate but he then got killed by adventurers

[red steppe]

Oh damn, he got so close then

[rough basalt]

Can't happen again iirc

Cause she used said power to pass on from TSR era dnd and bring forth the Wild West of DnD (3.x)

[snow agate]

it has pretty fun gameplay i got like 90 hours out of it

[red steppe]

The ancient power was from another entity entirely right

[rough basalt]

Something akin to the Lady herself yeah, something older than the gods

[red steppe]

Wish we get to know more about it, they seem interesting

[round estuary]

You think Dexter from Dexter would be lawful bad

[valid geyser]

Not everyone is a wizard with access to other dimensions. Might wanna get your wizard centric worldview checked /j

Also phase spiders are scary

[snow agate]

dexters the kinda guy they put in the eternally screaming cages in hell

[stoic obsidian]

Man it been some time since I chat here

[round estuary]

But he was just trying to kill bad guys

[rough basalt]

Man's in the wrong world.

[woven flint]

I, frankly, think Dexter would be a Chaotic Good?
I mean, he's a serial killer that specifically kills bad people.

More of a Justice at any cost over anything that could be considered Lawful Evil.

I dunno, personally.
But he's not ... REALLY an Evil person?

What he's doing IS Evil, but he's also doing it for "righteous" rea-

Alignment is garbage, lmao

[glass granite]

Maybe some sort of neutral? It’s judgement

[woven flint]

Alignment is fluid.

[glass granite]

Ye

[woven flint]

What he's doing IS definitely Chaotic though, I'd say

[glass granite]

I haven’t watched the show, so I’m just going off what I know. Which is “he kills people”, so idk

[woven flint]

He specifically kills bad people from my understanding

He's a serial killer that targets bad people as a type of justification for his crimes is What it seems to me

[limber trail]

He's a serial killer who kills other serial killers specifically

[eager marsh]

That's chaotic Good technically

[woven flint]

It.. honestly sounds like a dumb concept for a show

[woven flint]

Yeah, that's what I said lol

[limber trail]

I don't really see him as much different to a paladin of vengeance

[eager marsh]

performing vigilanty type justice to objectively bad people is just what Red Hood does. And Batman. And almost every super hero. They're chaotic good

[limber trail]

i forgot this was an alignment conversation

[woven flint]

Yeah lmao

[limber trail]

im out i hate alignment lmao

[woven flint]

Alignment is stupid indeed

[remote wadi]

Allignment isn't too bad for me

My main annoyance is someone trying to say they're a chaotic good or neutral, but act like a neutral evil

[eager marsh]

it's just people not understanding the system. 'alignment is subjective' may be a true statement, but using it as a bad faith argument is bad

[woven flint]

Killing somekne Evil for the sake of Good is one thing
But Killing a random person and proclaiming that it's for the sake of good without clause is bad faith

[timid current]

If only alignment weren't a terrible holdover from earlier less well thought out editions

I can't imagine anyone seriously calling a serial killer "good"

[full bough]

Hi! I've never played D&D before and I'm honestly very new to all of this.

I learn best by just doing instead of studying rules.

I'm wondering if any DM would be open to letting me drop into a session as a very simple creature/ monster for a single encounter - like I attack the party, they kill me, and I'm done.

I'm totally fine with having very basic actions, following instructions, and disappearing after the fight. I'm not looking to join a full campaign - just to learn how combat and turns work in a low-pressure way.

I'm on mobile and happy to be guided. Thanks for reading!

[woven flint]

Truly.
He's a Serial Killer, obviously kills for the sake of pleasure and he just justifies it as him doing a good thing because "Hey! They killed people!"

[eager marsh]

A serial killer that actively only kills people that are serial killers is in fact a good aligned person. perhaps arrogant in their right to declare justice, but they would undeniably be acting against evil

[timid current]

yeah that doesn't track

[woven flint]

Again, that's really where perspective comes from..

Killing a Killer doesn't change the amount of killers in the world... unless you kill 40!

[timid current]

it's a good thing that it's only murder and not other unmentionable (on this server) crimes then, huh! imagine thinking that doing the thing that makes people evil to those evil people is suddenly good because of the target

[woven flint]

Cereal Killing

[full bough]

Killing a killer is good

[eager marsh]

That's no different than calling an adventurer evil for killing a murderous cult or bandits because the act of murdering those people is 'evil to them'

[woven flint]

Killing is inherently an evil act.

[woven flint]

Most of our PC's are serial killers when you think about it 🤔

[valid geyser]

I mean if you’re on orders of a government to fight bandits you are essentially a magic cop

[eager marsh]

I feel like that risks turning the argument political so porlly better to accept the disagreement for now

[timid current]

which evil acts are good if you do them to evil people

[meager fractal]

ooooh THAT Dexter

[valid geyser]

For sure. D&D is inherently a game about violence so it gets tough if you think about it

[timid current]

just killing or is like fraud or types of abuse actually good if they're against evil folks

[full bough]

Yes it is evil but evil isn't Ellie's the worst

[woven flint]

Is a Devil not evil if he takes your soul but makes your life better?

Taking someone soul is still evil even if you help that person.

[minor cargo]

Amcab

[woven flint]

Killing people is still bad even if you kill bad people
It's how society is
Yeah, you may be praised as a hero by some, but by most you'll be just as bad as all the other killers you've killed

[full bough]

The killers you kill
Will be the killers the kill innocent

[woven flint]

It doesn't change the fact that you're still KILLING people though

Murders a crime no matter how you spin it, bub 😔

[umbral girder]

Yeah recruiting is not for this channel. #find-a-game is where you go for that

[worldly flare]

By that logic isn’t pretty much every PC evil?

[eager marsh]

Morality is made up anyways

[timid current]

therein lies one of the major flaws of the 3x3 alignment grid

[supple skiff]

are manticores sentient

[woven flint]

I'd say it depends.
Are they killing people who have a chance at redemption?

Are they killing undead?

Are they killing fiends?

Killing an undead isn't Evil because well..
They're already dead.

Killing a fiend is a bit harder because they come back to life in their home plane.

[minor cargo]

Ill +1 that trying to map this very, very complex idea to a 3x3 grid reveals how weak and inappropriate it is when situations are complex.

[supple skiff]

addendum, could a manticore be ||tortured|| in a devil circus setting

[eager marsh]

calling anything evil is 'fake' as morality is a fabrication unique to our sentience. However for the sake of D&D, morality is more objective than subjective and killing evil creatures is largely considered objectively good in the context of most settings.

[worldly flare]

Plenty of undead creatures are sentient beings with feelings, a lot of them are evil beings, but simply already being dead isn’t a good argument because they can still feel.

[umbral girder]

It’s old edition lore but Undead beings are/were literally made of the evil of the multiverse

[humble cairn]

This is technically tautological, as murder is defined as illegal killing. Not all killing, even of people is considered illegal. This is somewhat tangential to the morality of such.

[timid current]

my main point is that dexter is not "good"

[worldly flare]

I’m mostly familiar with 5e so fair enough, but in the modern day it’s generally poor form to blindly kill undead if such a thing isn’t a part of the lore:

[timid current]

I don't have an answer as to whether he is evil, I can definitely say that methodically planning and executing murders is not "good"

[woven flint]

SOME Undead may be sentient, but undeath is typically full of suffering and most undead are undead against their will.
Pick your poison.

[umbral girder]

Yeah the idea is evil and good, law and chaos are actual energies of the multiverse. Undead are literally made of the evil energies.

[woven flint]

That too ^

[full bough]

Okay, thank you for the information

[umbral girder]

The Planescape map is actually based on how much a plane is leaning to Chaos/Law and Good/Evil

[worldly flare]

Genuine question. Is that canon in 5e? I’ll give up the point if it is, but I wanna know

[high vine]

Is anyone here good with custom settings on dnd beyond?!

[woven flint]

You can't argue with me killing undead is a bad thing to do because its objectively good for the sake of the undead.

[umbral girder]

Yes considering it’s the plane scape map in the PHB and DMG content which is mentioned

A lot of 5e is poking at old stuff without fully delving into it

[humble cairn]

Killing in self defense, for example, is killing but not murder.

[snow agate]

let me chill in my dark castle 💔

[woven flint]

I'm coming for you :3

[umbral girder]

You can actually see a chart showing which planes are leaning to Chaos/Law and Good/Evil fun fact

[snow agate]

nooooooo

[worldly flare]

Fair enough. Point dropped. I will still say that undead are a category and cannot be judged as one entity.

[full bough]

What if they are happy?
And good

[umbral girder]

I think it’s in the 2024 PHB now.

[woven flint]

Then if they are...
You don't HAVE to kill them.
So long as they aren't in pain.

But good undead are also incredibly rare.

[umbral girder]

The idea is becoming an undead makes you into something that tore out the good in you.

[eager marsh]

Archliches exist as liches created from genuinely, truly good aligned spellcasters for example. They don't feed on souls and their phylactery is being bound to an existing magic item (often a relic)

[humble cairn]

I think the Baelnorn show that undeath isn't always evil.

[woven flint]

Nealens point^
That's why vampires, even if they were good as humans, typically become evil.

[eager marsh]

They're the antithesis to regular liches

[umbral girder]

Like Vampires are the classic example in lore (even in 5e) of becoming drastically worse with their undead as their Souls are removed.

Archliches as of 5e have to become the most deprived and evil monsters (Looking at you Acererak)

[full bough]

What if they are in? Pain
But still wants to live

[snow agate]

whats a good motivation for a valor bard? @woven flintive wanted to play one for a while but unsure of a good arc

[eager marsh]

Acererak is not an archlich definitionally

He was a Demilich before getting destroyed, then his simulacrum decided to become the real new full body Acererak

[humble cairn]

To bring attention to a very specific War history that had been buried and you feel that there's been an injustice done so you want to write an epic saga about it?

[full bough]

And how about if it's a human in pain with killing them if they requested make you evil

[woven flint]

I had an Elvish Valor Bard named Vermillion, he was a red-haired battlescarred fellow who was a Skald, he sung of glory while also chasing his glory, he battled many foes but always kept a bright song or poem in his heart even in dire times

[snow agate]

sounds cool but doesnt sound adventury

[worldly flare]

Wait Nealen, I’m confused about how the map of the planes alignments and undead being inherently evil relate to each other, am I looking at the wrong map?

[naive cedar]

race-specific alignments are kind of lazy imo. but the alignment system is inherently pretty limiting

[humble cairn]

Ahh, but you have to do research delving into the ruins of said war.

[minor cargo]

Some monks would disagree! Not to “gotcha” you, but to help illustrate how complex this can be.

Some monks would say the moral and ethical to do is to let yourself be murdered rather than take another life. Is this “right”? That’s beyond the point I’m making. Real life is SO complex that a 3x3 grid can’t map it sufficiently at best, and is insulting simple at worst.

[full bough]

I like the one

[naive cedar]

like what is exactly is “evil”? we all have a basic idea of what evil is but what is it specifically

[snow agate]

that could be cool, if explored with the right kind of war, though i think its a bit niche for most purposes

[umbral girder]

The lower half of the multiverse in dnd

[worldly flare]

That’s a demon and a devil I think.

[woven flint]

Evil can be categorized in a few ways

Lawless, Unholy, Self-Serving, ect

[humble cairn]

It's all about being a big archeology nerd, like the folks in The Mummy series.

[snow agate]

maybe im overthinking it and a valor bard could just be a person who wanted to be an adventurer because it is a well rounded set of skills for adventuring

[woven flint]

Have your Valor Bard be an adventurer because he wants to write epic poems about his conquests against evil

[full bough]

I mean I feel like true evil
harm and those who is innocent or that they cannot defend itself

[ruby bobcat]

So what's everyone 2026 goal/plan?

[snow agate]

just wanna be a legend fr 😤

[woven flint]

That's how Vermillion was
And he was a legend
He was level 20!

[snow agate]

i think valor bards might also make good warmongers or arms dealers

[woven flint]

I'd associate arms dealer with an Artificer tbh

[supple skiff]

would yall say a level 5/6 sorcerer could defeat a manticore

[snow agate]

well you're not the maker, you're the merchant

[woven flint]

Fair enough

[humble cairn]

I mean most motivations work with most classes. It can just be personal.

[supple skiff]

bruh

[umbral girder]

With a long rest for all resources, the right spells, and a LOT of luck

And a few magic items

[supple skiff]

they could in theory do it, i assume

like it would not be easy

[umbral girder]

9/10 they die

[snow agate]

you're right, but i think having thematic motives or pursuing a calling or ambition is cool

[umbral girder]

But that 10% chance is there

A level 7 Sorcerer has better odds

[supple skiff]

im trying to write a scene where the conductor of a devil circus talks about their experience with a manticore

where they were fascinated coming face to face with a creature like that, toyed with it and tried to tame it for the circus

but eventually had to kill it

(yeah this person is not a good guy)

[umbral girder]

Ideally you have a party face them

[supple skiff]

i assume its only hard if it was a solo fight

like if my dude had a few of his associates from his circus it would be much less difficult

[humble cairn]

So how about this. You were raised in a military family. In the course of your studies you discovered a historical injustice that persists to this day, but it implicates your family and government. You want to expose this injustice, but you face censure from your family and the authorities.

So you become a political activist with a military background. Voila, Valor Bard.

Whatever the injustice was, whoever your family and government are, can be integrated with your DM's plot.

Or if it's to be a dungeon crawl, you could go with the archeology angle.

[empty thicket]

not so likely

solo fights make a lot of things harder and few classes can
Mostly martial are capable of handling solo fights more properly but others like Cleric can too.

Wizard, sorc and warlock lack of hp or defenses beside some Shield. If the enemy get closer lot of their spells arent useful unless you are willing to sacrifice hp in that interchange

Bard can in some ways but still soft hp, a pair of bad hits can get you in the danger zone
Art almost same than cleric

obviously, depend of the level, at X level any wizard can just stop time and get 30 scorching rays ready to obliterate anything

[supple skiff]

how difficult would you say

like they would in fact almost die, even with some coworkers helping them in the conflict

[limber trail]

Warlocks have d8 hit dice and especially in 2024 can have a really easy time getting a decent HP pool, probably the easiest compared to other full casters

[supple skiff]

what if the manticore was already like

hurt

like the story is that they toyed with this manticore and treated it like a torture thing, just absolutely toying with it

[storm crow]

How would you go about flavoring heavy armor as something more medium or light

[supple skiff]

and then the manticore broke out and they went into combat

[idle oar]

You'd need to keep the mechanics and maybe just describe it as easy to wear to suggest it isn't as bulky as heavy armor tends to be thought of as.

[supple skiff]

@empty thicket

[snow agate]

alright so a manticore has 3 attacks and 68 hp, a level 5 sorcerer has about 32 hp and fireball (maybe a hard cc) so if the sorcerer is prebuffed and far away, he might be ok, but since he probably isnt, the manticore likely wins

[supple skiff]

so a fresh sorceror could beat a manticore thats like half health with some luck

[snow agate]

i would call that trivial unless the manticore hits a crit

[supple skiff]

oh okay

[snow agate]

and assuming the sorc has shield and mage armor

[storm crow]

Ah I wouldn’t mind keeping the mechanics. I was thinking it was reinforced leather with chainmail underneath

[supple skiff]

but yeah

medium-high difficulty, the manticore has like a decent chance of killing the sorcerer straight up, and will most likely still grievously injure the sorcerer

[idle oar]

Then you need to use light or medium armor per the rules

Flavor is description, not mechanics.

[snow agate]

that really isnt that unordinary, a tabard over a breastplate is a rough analogue

though i will say i dunno what the point of leather + chainmail is, id probably want something with more padding than hardness if i already have chain

[storm crow]

I guess breastplate with leather

Idk if that counts as heavy armor though

But I hate the flavor of wearing something big and bulky

[snow agate]

it also drastically depends on what spells the sorcerer has because if the sorcerer has shield and fear, its easy
if the sorcerer has fireball and haste, its not easy

[empty thicket]

then yeah

[timid current]

so grab the armor you have proficiency with/can afford, wear it, along with all the mechanics that come with it... and just flavor it as different looking

[empty thicket]

if it was already hurt and lets say, half hp, yeah, a caster can face it

[storm crow]

True but idk how to explain why it’s like 50lbs

[timid current]

so don't. write it on the sheet and don't worry about it

[storm crow]

If it looks like it could at most be medium armor

[supple skiff]

okay so yeah

the story of them having killed this manticore would be plausible

it wouldn't be normal by any means but sure

[snow agate]

"heavy armor" irl really isnt that big and bulky, its generally designed with mobility in mind; the big bulky armor tends to come from budget builds trying to compensate, or winter clothing, or big fantasy armor

[potent siren]

I want the pauldrons to be bigger than the chestpiece!

[timid current]

"the breastplate is made of a very dense alloy" who cares, you're using the mechanics not the appearance. nobody is going to give you grief

[storm crow]

Hmmm

Well leather reinforced with metal could work

[timid current]

you aren't breaking mechanics, and you clearly will be wearing some potent armor.

[empty thicket]

welp, you can make it have "Weakspots" too, if they aim to the tail they get rid of X attacks thing

[snow agate]

for example consider that a chainmail hauberk is literally just a shirt so its as bulky as a shirt

[timid current]

you'll still need heavy armor proficiency to be able to use it properly, there's no problems

[storm crow]

Fair enough

[ebon dome]

I’m confused. In my dnd session today my dm introduced an npc and the first thing he mentioned was that the npc worked for like THE person in my backstory, like my number 1 opp, so I obviously instantly attacked them (as I thought would be the obvious choice) rolled a 5, the person grabbed my sword mid stab and took no dmg (?) then stabbed me in the throat so i obviously would have trouble talking/was already bent on killing the person and so when someone asked why I was fighting them (when I made my distain for the boss dude very clear earlier) I couldn’t, because of the sword going thru my throat, so the other dude decided to team fight me, while the other fought on my side, then some crappy roles later I die (there’s 3 total lives and that was my 2nd) and apparently I was supposed to not fight them and apparently the dm thought I wouldn’t fight them, but I was just doing what I thought my oath of vengeance paladin would do, and now my party’s mad at me, even after explaining why to them bluntly why I attacked the npc and they all thought that I shouldn’t care because they didn’t directly do anything, so what did I do wrong I’m so lost

Holy essay

[empty thicket]

this too, Warlock can do the Blade pact and other many things that made him a close combat class

like Hexblade

[potent siren]

Disparate expectations, it be like that

Though I will say, designing an encounter where you introduce an antagonistic element from one of the party members backstories, and then being like "you werent supposed to..." when combat potentially goes down is not the best way to do things imo

[empty thicket]

yeah, so in resume, you did an aggressive action under your Vengeance oath and you shouldn't acted that hasty.
But still the DM placed that Backstory rival and expected things to go calm

its both sides this mistake, but meh, it happen

[storm crow]

I don’t think you should be blamed for it

[meager fractal]

Are sahuagin evil?

[empty thicket]

Still a reminder of dont being hasty

Unless you are 80% sure of what you doing

not 100%, there is always some space to error and that is okey, 15% not sure and 5% confused

[ebon dome]

I was tbh, the character randomly walked in and dm specifically said to me that they worked for the backstory person so I thought the dm wanted me to throw hands

[storm crow]

Yeah dm gave you terrible signals in that case

[hushed mason]

Usually.

[hollow stone]

yea this is even a thing in a another fine game called Ready Or Not, where your armor's appearance doesn't actually hold bearing on its effectiveness

it isn't lore accurate but you can draw your character however you wanna

[empty thicket]

Yep, its the "Reality sight On//Off"

[fiery perch]

Where do I change my role from wizard to other class

[empty thicket]

In fantasy your character is a cleric using a maze and heavy armor
in reality it have a backpack, 2 more weapons, 4 potions in the belt, etc. etc.

[glass granite]

The Channels and roles

[fiery perch]

The artificer has no icon?

oh nvm, the zhentarim role is above that

[hollow stone]

yea, i have a Rogue who has a "Thrown" Dagger but the way i have chosen to depict the weapon is a retractable katar because i know damn well i am not throwing my primary weapon in any circumstance and i can draw it however i wanna

[empty thicket]

I want to someday do a characters from another game, slay the spire.
The ironclad = Fighter, eldritch knight
The silent = rogue arcane trickster
There are other 2 but i would like to do these 2 first of all.
The thing is, teh rogue have a bit of everything,
Throw tons of dangers, apply poisons and weaken the enemies and im having a hard time matching all that

[humble cairn]

I think Silent is an Assassin..

[empty thicket]

One of her powers(passives that give them effects) give her the capacity of get a daggers for free per turn and i remember an item that give 2 daggers for free

[woven flint]

Bracers of flying Daggers

[empty thicket]

The thing is, the Arcane trickster give her capacity of throwing poisons and weaken enemies

[woven flint]

However, I don't think they're permanent

[humble cairn]

Bracer of Flying Daggers

[humble cairn]

Yeah Assassin is the only subclass that enhances poison.

[empty thicket]

Yep, Bracer of FLYING DAGGERS!!

[empty thicket]

In 2024? or 2014?

[hollow stone]

i mean if Silent doesn't have one of those then you can just decide not to do those

[empty thicket]

That is another thing, every character can be played like in 3 ways.
The ironclad can be a hard wall that can tank a lot of things
Or sacrifice HP for getting buffs and damage enemies
Or being a pure STR that punch a hole through your chest

[humble cairn]

24

[empty thicket]

okey, didnt checked that one, will later

The silent too can be played like:
Throw 3000 daggers at the enemy
Apply 3000 poisons and left the enemy die slowly
Apply debuffs to the enemy and get better defenses.

Its choose what is the middle of 3 paths

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, it work better for the fantasy

[hollow stone]

if you wanna mechanically throw like 40 billion daggers then you can take the Eldritch Adept feat for Pact Of The Blade, which will let you summon a dagger as a Bonus action to throw as an Action

[humble cairn]

Pact of the Blade is a terrible way to do a thrown weapons build, tbh.

[hollow stone]

yea it probably isn't the best but i'm also the exact opposite of the person who throwns weapon build

[humble cairn]

I love thrown weapons as a concept, and it's easier in 24 than it was in 14.

[hollow stone]

throwing spikes is fun but then they can pick up the spike either out of them or when i miss and use it against me and i'm also down a weapon and there's just no way that's happening to me

[meager fractal]

What are some cool magic items i can throw at a level 6 party?

[hollow stone]

i don't know of a DM who would have an enemy pick up a thrown dagger but i know if that's how i think that's also how my character think, unless i'm playing someone who has never used a weapon at all

[crimson gulch]

It's been a running joke that the rogue in My waterdeep missed like everytime with their throwing daggers so I had enemy's catch them

[storm crow]

Well well well

[glossy otter]

Quick question, without homebrewing too far, are there any stat blocks that come close to chickens in dnd?

[humble cairn]

There's the Abyssal Chicken

[upper condor]

Guys, what's better?
Foundry VTT or Owlbear ?

[glossy otter]

Both have their bennefits. Owlbear if you want to go free, foundry if you want all the assets

[gloomy lotus]

Foundry VTT is better because it feels like real D&D, not a whiteboard. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. not dissing on owlbear

[unique panther]

hey guys im new here how can i get started in dnd

[gloomy lotus]

World's your oyster

[limber trail]

It depends what you want. I honestly prefer Owlbear over foundry, because I really want a lightweight tool that doesn’t have a lot built in. As others have mentioned, it’s kinda like a whiteboard, which is what I like about it.

Foundry is nice for automation, it doesn’t a lot by default, I personally dislike it because my experience using it has been bogged down with a lot of overhead systems that are annoying to modify. But you might want that!

[humble cairn]

Start by checking out #learn-to-play

[upper condor]

Ah oki
@limber trail @gloomy lotus ty guys for answer

[gloomy lotus]

Give both a try, learn how to use both and whatever you like more in the long run is what you'll use. I got stuck with Foundry cause that's what I forced myself to learn lmao

[gloomy lotus]

Oh. You basically just said the same thing. My fault OG

[empty thicket]

Unbreakable arrow

And let the arti infuse it with Weapon return

[humble cairn]

That doesn't work, it's not a weapon with the thrown tag. It's not even considered a weapon at all.

[warped zealot]

dnd is so hard ngl

[upper condor]

Oh btw, what do you guys think of Fantasy Grounds? @gloomy lotus @limber trail

I haven't seen much of it but I think both owlbear and foundry is better than Fantasy

[warped zealot]

to understand

[empty thicket]

Ssshhhhhh, its funny.

[empty thicket]

Yes and no, depend

What is Hard to understand?

[humble cairn]

I played a long campaign on Fantasy Grounds, I like it, but it's clunky to work with so there's somewhat of a steep learning curve.

[limber trail]

Haven’t used it, so can’t comment

[gloomy lotus]

I ain't... I ain't that deep into it. I'm only like... Maybe 7 months into exploring d&d resources

[upper condor]

Oh, makes sense
I saw video of it, fantasy feels outdated

[empty thicket]

You have data of thousands of things, can adapt any story in any way you want, etc, etc.
Its acting (roleplay) with gambling and maths

[warped zealot]

idk it's me who is dumb

[gloomy lotus]

Only campaign I've run to completion is Dragon of Icespire Peak

[humble cairn]

It's definitely an old software. It's pretty solid once yuo get used to it, and you might even like the nostalgic old school windows lookf of everything.

[elfin narwhal]

Where do I post my character backstory? I was told that I could do it here

[empty thicket]

Unless you pick X classes or try to be a Dm, you Will be okey

[warped zealot]

eh yeah ig

[empty thicket]

Or depend how Hard the dm want to make it too

[warped zealot]

is it important to make the art of it too?

[empty thicket]

Not so much, depend of what you mean with this

[knotty pasture]

There's plenty of free resources to use

[empty thicket]

Art of?

[warped zealot]

i was told that you need the art of the oc

[knotty pasture]

No

I mean if you want something tailor made you can go to heroforge and make something

[empty thicket]

Again, yes and no.
You can pic from anywhere, it depend of your choice.
I took a fanart from goblin slayer for my figther for example

There is millions of pics, arts and more, feel free to chose and be happy

[bronze wave]

Just play Paladin ngl you’ll be aight

[humble cairn]

Nope, not necessary, that might be that particular table's requirements, but not everyone requires that.

[jovial badger]

deck of illusions is a fav of mine to use, especially when found as treasure

[jovial badger]

one warforged and its over

[bronze wave]

Play a warforged Paladin

[limber trail]

Warforged aren’t a particularly good counter to paladins

[jovial badger]

gah

[jovial badger]

with the reaction yes, disables smiting for like (amount of warforged) turns

[bronze wave]

Also let me see that warforged take 2 lvl5 smites with thunderous smite and survive

[jovial badger]

protection reaction, oops you missed, now you cant smite it

[bronze wave]

What’s that

[hollow valley]

Sip

Sup*

[jovial badger]

i long pit fight

[bronze wave]

What

[limber trail]

That relies on the paladin missing.

[upper condor]

Ah oki, I'm also new to DnD
We play once every week and been playing since November 2

Our dm doesn't use vtt and just tell the story etc... yesterday I found out things like owlbear existed, I thought it was the only one until I saw foundry

[limber trail]

Most paladins will have healthy attack bonuses. Usually a +6 minimum by level 4.

[jovial badger]

they have a reaction that can impose disad

[limber trail]

It by no means denies smiting. It does what it says on the tin. It imposes disadvantage.

It’s also an ability that can very much be mitigated with some smart tactics and positioning

[gloomy lotus]

If you're interested in playing with newbies? With a newbie DM? I'm currently attempting to run Dragon of Icespire Peak which is very beginner friendly or the "newer" stranger thing D&D set. Whether you want to play as DM or player is entirely your choice. IF you're interested of course.

[upper condor]

Ah oki sure, why not
I'll play as a player

[gloomy lotus]

Dope. Do you mind if I message you?

[upper condor]

Sure

[bronze wave]

I always liked the modules

[jovial badger]

did someone mention are you interested in playing

[jovial badger]

i love the wizards of the coast one shots

[gloomy lotus]

I am DM but would love to run some newbie players

[empty thicket]

20 chicken size tarrasques or 5 tarrasque size chickens?

[jovial badger]

oh im not a newbie nvm then

[jovial badger]

do the stat blocks change

[empty thicket]

Yes, a lot.
Tarrasque is weaker
Chicken stronger

[limber trail]

what size creature would a chicken be? small or tiny?

[jovial badger]

how much...

i guess i would take the 5 tarrasque sized chickens

[limber trail]

so the issue is going off of stat blocks

one thing changes, RAW: the chickens hit dice increases to a d20, and the tarrasque changes to a d4 (going off of how 2024 stat blocks generally work)

and it doesnt change the fact that tarrasques simply have more offense than chickens

Tarrasques are still AC 25, they still have a +4 to hit at least even with a strength of 1, and they still can thunderous bellow for 12d12 thunder damage,

That's unless you start changing other parts of the stat block too but at some point, it's not a tarrasque sized chicken or a chicken sized tarrasque, it's something different entirely

Even being generous and using the abyssal chicken stat block for the chickens (+ size calculations), and reducing the tarrasque's 150ft cone to something like a 15ft cone, even on a save, any chickens in that cone are one shot

[remote wadi]

...why are we talking about chickens and tarrasques??

[pallid haven]

what in the world is chicken and tarrasques??

[frigid berry]

sounds like a tasty dish

[pallid haven]

i just searched what tarrasques is

are you guys trying to cook a dragon?

[heavy oxide]

its not about food

dnd tarrasques arent dragons either

[pallid haven]

oh my bad

[lavish flame]

its really just D&D's Kaiju

its Godzillla or King Kong or whoever it needs to be

[pallid haven]

ruuun is godzilla!!!

[heavy oxide]

just search "dnd tarrasque" and itll come up

[ancient mantle]

Hi guys i am new to dnd. Is DnD beyond worth it?

[glass granite]

It’s free, and pretty helpful, so yes

[ancient mantle]

To be honest, i was watching Stranger Things and i wanted to try dnd so badly

[remote wadi]

I don't know, some people decided to talk about a combat of a tarrasque and some chickens

What in the name of Epic Rap Battles of History was it?

[ancient mantle]

Does anybody who plays Beyond have a campaign i could join?

[remote wadi]

It isn't the most perfect thing in the world, but the free content is worth looking into

Also, just check #looking-for-players

[ancient mantle]

Cool thanks

How many players can be in a party?

[glass granite]

As many as the DM can handle

Most I’ve seen for a traditional game was 13

Realistically that’s closer to 4-6

[ancient mantle]

I see

[tall locust]

Anyone who ran waterdeep dragon heist?
I'm about to start chapter 3 and I'm a bit lost on how to properly spread the details

[soft hare]

Hey chat
If batman was in DND
What class would he be in?

[errant bramble]

Rogue Monk?

[limber trail]

rogue/fighter multiclass

[marble lion]

i love 3 players

4 is perfect, but 3 is very nice too

[limber trail]

4-5 is always my sweet spot

[marble lion]

more and there is too much downtime for individuals, which only works if the table is really up for that, or if you dont do much focus on individual players

i like to be able to really go into detail about something with 1 player and still not exhaust the "boredom timer" for the others

[limber trail]

I've hit a groove lately with 4 players and don't wanna change away from that

[marble lion]

4 is perfect i think

im just confused why noone ever includes 3. its always 4+ until 6ish

the only actual problem with 3 is that if someone misses the session, you need to really think hard whether to cancel it

we usually do some easygoing combat sessions with improv roleplay, as a sidequest kinda thing. quite literally filler episodes

[limber trail]

three always felt like a few too little to me.

[errant bramble]

Cast imprisonment on the third person and throw them at the enemy as their reintroduction.

[limber trail]

four is a good group who can split off into pairs, they can fit the classic archetype of tank/caster/sneaky/support, and if you lose a player it's not the end of the world

[marble lion]

i think 3 is just as classic tbh but i still prefer 4 because my players are occasionally rp shy, especially one of them

warrior, mage, rogue
warrior, mage, priest
is pretty classic. trio is a very normal constellation

[alpine plume]

does the monk 2024 bonus action (step of the wind) allow a monk to move through rough terrain as if it were normal. Like with the ability that allows you to run on walls

[heavy oxide]

if it doesnt mention it it doesnt

[marble lion]

it only alters action cost of dash and disengage and jump distance

damn they made patient defense disengage instead of dodge?

everytime i look up 2024 im disappointed once more

[heavy oxide]

when did dash ever ignore difficult terrain? monk got a massive upgrade finally

[pliant sapphire]

For 1 Focus point you have disengage and dodge

[marble lion]

oh i read that as dash then

[marble lion]

huh?

[heavy oxide]

did dash ever ignore difficult terrain

[candid pawn]

hii

[errant bramble]

Hello.

[marble lion]

i read step of the wind, then patient defense, and my sleepdeprived self skipped reading it properly so my brain just assumed it said "Disenage and Dash" twice instead of dodge

[candid pawn]

so how are u guys doing

[sinful mulch]

I am good

How about you newcomer?

[marble lion]

it doesnt know and i dont think it used to either

[candid pawn]

pretty good

[errant bramble]

Pretty bad, but we’ll see how I pull through.

[marble lion]

what it does do is double your movement so you can "skip" difficult terrain by taking penalty to avoid it

if the difficult terrain allows expending twice the movement cost crossing it safely, then dash effectively lets you cross it normally

maybe thats why someone thought it did that? unless im not aware of a rule here

[errant bramble]

Sounds reasonable.

[candid pawn]

ive been wanting to get into d&d for a while but idk if any of the campaigns will be willing to endure someone of my stature

[errant bramble]

Most I’ve seen are fine with newer people.

[marble lion]

online campaigns probably do not care about your physical appearance

[rain silo]

are they really

[candid pawn]

oh no i meant my expeirence lol

[heavy oxide]

i know that the speedy or mobile feat let you ignore difficult terrain when you dash

[lavish flame]

unironically yeah

[candid pawn]

i butchered my spelling

[marble lion]

ah i see. well try to learn as much as you can yourself and there are people who dont mind newcomers

[lavish flame]

ppl rock with new players heavy

getting the luxury of showing someone D&D for the first time is pretty sweet

[rain silo]

I've been meaning to get into it for a hot forever and have only really done one small oneshot with my friends and one of their dads

[marble lion]

DMs have a complex for guiding and leading and writing. thats why they DM. teaching a new person lets them hear themselves talk even more. thats a plus

[candid pawn]

Ye i know barely anything abt d&d lol

[candid pawn]

makes sense

[errant bramble]

The hardest part is waiting for the day when you play to roll around.

[rough basalt]

Yeah, most people are beginner friendly as long as the beginner is friendly

[rain silo]

I see I see

[candid pawn]

ye id say i am lol i just wanna learn the game and go along with a story

[rain silo]

what would make a pc not annoying to deal with so I avoid some of those cliches

[errant bramble]

#looking-for-dm is where DMs post games.

[marble lion]

antisocial PCs, evil PCs, PCs with homebrewed races

none of these are necessarily bad but they tend to trip people up and end in less fun

[errant bramble]

Murderhobos.

[rain silo]

homebrewed race?

[marble lion]

id recommend making a curious, helpful character for your first game, following the rules of normal char creation

[candid pawn]

i see

[errant bramble]

People make a custom race, usually very unbalanced.

[rain silo]

I've always been interested in being a cleric and or bard type of player

[marble lion]

if you go bard, maybe avoid the seduction roll stereotype

it makes a lot of people awkward and annoyed, not that you shouldnt do it if you want to. you just need to find the right group and maybe learn the game a little first so youre not unreasonable

[errant bramble]

I swear I misunderstood the job posting.

[rain silo]

is there anything annoying that clerics do or are they like almost always good players in campaigns

[candid pawn]

i dont plan on it dw i just wanna start with something basic to understand the mechanics a bit better

[marble lion]

try not to go on about your god too much in every line, might be one-tone

[candid pawn]

ur saying this like u have expierence lol

[marble lion]

eeeeh not really

actually kinda. i have met some paladin play that was a little too "yes yes i get it for the sun lord"

i think honestly just take it easy and try to stick with simple things when learning how to play

[stuck shuttle]

Being annoying will largely be based on player behavior instead of class mechanics

[marble lion]

yeah definitely

[rain silo]

I see I see

[marble lion]

anyone can be annoying. id say clerics dont attract that many annoying cliches though. the worst one is probably powergamers who dont play cleric for the flavour but because they heard its super op to use this and that spell

[candid pawn]

wait how exactly do i make one

like a post

[marble lion]

#find-a-game explains it

[candid pawn]

again thank u sm im sorry im like rly rly new

[errant bramble]

That was a joke about bards getting confused about slaying contracts being Laying contracts.

[lucid flax]

Had a question about Spellcasting Focuses. How do they work, what do they do

[candid pawn]

oh no i understood the joke i was asking a question about the posting lol

[marble lion]

they replace material components of spells unless that cost is a specified gold amount or something mega special i guess

[errant bramble]

One focus can replace all the components?

[marble lion]

yes

[errant bramble]

Cool

[lucid flax]

So useless in the campaigns I’m playing in (we’re ignoring Material Components for spellcasting)

[marble lion]

components channel magic. if you have a focus, you dont need anything to channel magic because the wand/staff does it

[stuck shuttle]

Like component pouches, they can substitute any material component for a spell so long as it:

• is not consumed
• does not have a listed gold cost

[marble lion]

i think thats a shame but yes useless for you

[fiery perch]

so I have like 4 robots with me as an artificer rn
The homonocolus servant (infusion)
The Vox (common magic item)
The flying wonder (common magic item)

and the canon (I am counting it as a robot)

anyone know how I can increase my robots

[marble lion]

in your game people can hold up their hand and cast whatever they want i guess

[stuck shuttle]

Wow that’s some powerful homebrew

[marble lion]

i assume the DM does limit the big spells. like 300gp diamonds for revivify

[lucid flax]

Yeahhh. Both DMs are new DMs and we don’t wanna worry about it (I’m a dm for a game and my friend is dming a game)

[marble lion]

i mean technically, if you have a component pouch, dnd already ignores components mostly
its not like getting a pouch is hard

that sounds like a fair approach. new DMs need some chill

though again it really is just "i have a pouch" and you can ignore all components except the BIG ones

[lucid flax]

We likely will do material components in the future when we’re more experienced

[errant bramble]

Fair

[marble lion]

thats reasonable

[lucid flax]

But thx!!

[marble lion]

i gotta say though i love using actual components instead of handwaving it by having a focus or ignoring them

describing spells like that is really fun in a game that welcomes descriptive roleplay

suddenly dealing 1d12 necrotic turns into cinema

[pliant sapphire]

Some spellcasting focus are "mandatory" for some class and subclass features

[marble lion]

i never knew. which ones as examples?

[fiery perch]

Like tools for artificers

[remote wadi]

Power gamers are definitely... something
Dnd is a game where you don't have to play super optimally in order to survive, which leaves room for fun and roleplay elements to shine

[errant bramble]

I have a question. If a monster, a dark mantle for instance, is hiding in a cave disguised as a stalagmite, what happens when a party walks in? Does it roll stealth against their passive perception? All of them?

[marble lion]

anyone else? artificers are rather special after all

[rough basalt]

It depends on the group honestly

[marble lion]

the only comparable thing i can think of is having the tome for warlocks if they wanna use something with the tome thing. i wouldnt call that the same thing though

[rough basalt]

If everyone likes powergaming then the DM can just go off the rails with encounter difficulty.

[remote wadi]

Fair enough, I guess. Can't say much for myself, haven't been in that much campaigns

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah true. I think like what, out of ~550 spells in the game about 400 don’t have a material component that has a cost or consumed? That’s a good 75% or so

[rough basalt]

It's just a matter of making sure a groups aligned expectation wise

[marble lion]

there are 150 spells with big costs? wow i had no idea

i would have guessed maybe 30

[rough basalt]

They're usually strong spells that have a cost for balance reasons

[marble lion]

i probably think that because i never make it into high levels. i dont know many spells that are above 3rd or 4th

[rough basalt]

Like chromatic orb needing a diamond cause it's the strongest 1st level spell for all the classes that get it.

Especially in 2024 with the bouncing mechanic

[marble lion]

oh fun

ill note that as a "fun 2024" thing

[pliant sapphire]

All artificers, Tome warlock, Spirits bard, mosts of Clerics channel divinity and more

[rough basalt]

Or Augury which is like a knocking at the 4th wall thing

[stuck shuttle]

Ah wait I wasn’t discounting crossover between spells with consumed components and spells with gold costs. It’s ~100 total, so ~20% of all spells not 25%

[marble lion]

is the tome a focus though?

i thought its just a thing you need to have

yeah its not a focus
i dont even think it replaces the cost so youd still have to have a focus or pouch for the actual spell cast

it just needs to be with you to have it in your spelllist
then you need to fulfill all requirements to actually cast the thing you picked from the tome

[pliant sapphire]

Spellcasting Focus. You can use the book as a Spellcasting Focus.

[marble lion]

you can

this was about must

channel divinity isnt a spell i think but the thing you need for it is a focus so fairly close to a mandatory spell cast with focus i guess

[rough basalt]

Well if you don't then you can't cast spells cause you need a free hand to cast and if you use that for a material you can't use your book for the spells you have in it till you get war caster

[marble lion]

i dont know spirits bard at all so i cant comment there

[marble lion]

you dont actually need to hold the book for tome spells

[rough basalt]

Oh thought you did.

[marble lion]

it needs to be on your person, not in your hand. that is why i am not counting this

i wasnt sure either so i looked it up

[rough basalt]

There is some other stuff where might find some issues tho I think

Like subclasses that use weapons as foci so they don't have to sheath their weapon to cast spells

[marble lion]

spirits bard is a weird one because the focus you use for the spiritual stuff is i think not what you need for other spells? so it is like a side thing, and ofc not a spell, like channel divinity

[marble lion]

again i wouldnt count that. you could cast the spell normally. you just use the weapon to cast it because you dont wanna sheath it. thats a privilege, not a requirement

[fiery perch]

You can also use artificer infusions instead of tools to cast spells

[rough basalt]

The weapons a focus tho and you said no focuses

[marble lion]

some features definitely require a specified focus though

[marble lion]

im talking about classes who need to use a focus to cast spells

as in they cant replace it with the actual components

[lucid flax]

Like a wizards spellbook

[pliant sapphire]

Starting at 6th level, when you cast a bard spell that deals damage or restores hit points through the Spiritual Focus, roll a d6, and you gain a bonus to one damage or healing roll of the spell equal to the number rolled.

I have one spirits bard 😂

[marble lion]

you dont need to use the book as your focus. you just need it with you to have access to those spells)

[pliant sapphire]

(if the spell doesnt have material components you dont gain that bonus. kinda sad)

[rough basalt]

Ye and of course like mentioned cleric.
You can't use Channel Divinity without a holy symbol

[marble lion]

ah there we go. true

[lucid flax]

Wait rlly? I thought the class mentioned the spell book as a focus

[marble lion]

it can be a focus. that doesnt mean it has to be your focus

[lucid flax]

Oh then that’s prob what I saw it as

[marble lion]

im just wondering what classes actually force you to use a focus to use your class

i specifically went after spellcasting though. some others already needed a special focus for features, like spirit bard or uh the other one mentioned

[unique falcon]

Hello everyone!

[marble lion]

artificer definitely, spirit bard with that one feature, cleric for channeling

[pliant sapphire]

And items like Arcane Grimoire, Bloodwell vial, Rod of the pact keeper. You need to hold them to benefit their bonus

[marble lion]

ill never forgive my DM for giving that rod to the warlock

it felt really weird because the other loot was so weak while this was really strong

[rough basalt]

Well it's also warlocks only magic item

[marble lion]

the only reason i mind that is because the game until then was always equal loot and it was rolled on a table i believe. it wasnt a purposely asymmetrical loot

[marble lion]

class specific sure. im talking general loot

its very cool though. i just think it was too much for what the rest had

[rough basalt]

Well you're intended to give loot that works for your party.

You wouldn't give a bloodwell vial to a Wizard

[marble lion]

exactly, which is what i mean. the rest didnt get anything that did stuff

[marble lion]

im saying a +1 ring or resistances or many other things also work for warlocks

[rough basalt]

Those are general items

[marble lion]

yes

my point is that they got a class-specific strong item while the rest of us was drowning lol

i dont mind asymmetrical loot at all in games that are like that though. this game just wasnt. it was very much "everyone gets even loot" random rolled with no narrative in it

actually nevermind it wasnt random rolled, just from those tables

[rough basalt]

The rods on the loot table tho assuming the DM was using the dmg tables

[marble lion]

yep he was

the book saying that rod was equivalent to the stuff we got was hilarious

[rough basalt]

What'd yall get

[marble lion]

we died in TPK one session later by the way

i remember a fishing rod.... thats all i remember

none of them synergised with builds iirc which is why it felt so unbalanced to give the warlock that dope item

already the strongest character by the way, statwise

[rough basalt]

Man got a broken pole of angling and wanted the poor warlocks item too. Greedy /j

[marble lion]

if only they had been strong enough to make it out alive

i wont get over that TPK until i revive the party as a cleric in the next run. i really hope we do that one day

it felt so wrong

[rough basalt]

Yeah if it's just pure random loot then that's just unfortunate bad luck for yall and good luck for them but personally I think you should avoid "loot will be even"

[marble lion]

nope not rolled. i got that wrong

[marble lion]

i think i agree. i prefer games with asymmetry at the cost of everyone being perfectly balanced all the time

i like one person getting something really cool because it fits the quest theme. its important to find a way to later balance it as the DM though

[rough basalt]

Cause every treasure horde having an uncommon/rare/very rare/legendary for everyone will get stale

[marble lion]

yep no narrative

though i did have one player get cranky over this as a DM myself. but i talked to him and it was settled

i think it was mostly because we had such long breaks between games so he felt he was weak for so long. i reminded him we only played 2 sessions since then and outlined how stupid it narratively would be to throw stuff at the party all day and he agreed

[rough basalt]

My current games magic loot has been very sparing

[marble lion]

like scarce?

[rough basalt]

Yeah, cause most of its just been traveling, fighting monsters and bandits, helping normal people.

[marble lion]

i like it

[rough basalt]

Fighter got a saddle of the cavalier from a Orc mounted warrior as a thank you gift but he had to give it up to get a Bandit leader to spare the party after stuff went badly wrong.

So that Bandit will return at some point

Hopefully I can get the game back off the ground after the holidays

[abstract beacon]

What are the most fun subclasses for each class would you guys say?

[glass granite]

Oooffff that’s hard

I’ve only played two, but eloquence bard and elemental warrior monk are my personal favs

[remote wadi]

Anyone have a basic description for a Druid?

[raw ocean]

I love Chronurgy wizard

[remote wadi]

Never really considered the class as a whole, but I'm realizing how little I know about it aside from the animal connections

[abstract beacon]

Is bladesinger any good?

[raw ocean]

Druids are spellcasters who get their power from nature.

If you want it super simple

[remote wadi]

I occasionally get a little curious about how I can make the ideas in my head work in DnD. For example, a sword master with a simple, but effective control over magic (bonus if it affects martial weapons in some areas)

Yes, PotB would fit that, but it would be interesting to involve ravens: either for shapeshifting or at least cosmetics

I think that this means that a Warlock and Fighter would probably be a better chemistry, unfortunately

[rough basalt]

For me, based on what I've played for more than a few sessions.
Bard - Sword
Cleric - Light
Druid - Land
Fighter - Champion
Paladin - Devotion
Rogue - Scion of the Three
Sorcerer - Draconic
Wizard - Evocation

[abstract beacon]

Cheers mate much appreciated will look into it

[knotty pasture]

Um so Druids are basically nature based spellcasters that have plenty of control, summoning and buffing spells

They also have the ability to wild shape which gives them the highest effective hp of any class

[remote wadi]

Then this would be a little tricky to think of a way to make the concept work

[knotty pasture]

The issue with Druid is that more often than not, there's not really a lot of direct damaging spells so Druid's damage output isn't its main focus

[rough basalt]

Ye for single target damage on druid you're usually playing a sub that specializes in it

Say Spores, or Moon

[remote wadi]

Well, that wouldn't bother me too much. But what does is trying to find out what to sacrifice... or listen for other and better options available

[knotty pasture]

Even Spores' damage output isn't as amazing as I thought, most of the damage ended up coming from spike growth + summons for me by level 10

[raw ocean]

Why not just play what you like, who cares about optimization

[knotty pasture]

Whacking people for 20 damage is nice of course but without extra attack its not quite it

Summons are really fun though if not slightly tedious

[rough basalt]

There's a difference between playing optimally and playing competently also

If you're being a burden on the party it can leak into the above table.

[remote wadi]

It's a lucky day that I can't think of a witty response. But I'm asking for advice so I can make the ideas work out. If I took the advice of "play who I want to play", then I wouldn't be able to listen for other ideas that are just better, both for combat and thematically

[rough basalt]

And if you end up being a burden on the party it can be not good for the health of the game.

[remote wadi]

Example A: going Assassin Gloomstalker instead of Champion Gloomstalker

[rough basalt]

But generally being a burden happens when
1: You're trying to be one
2: You're new and didn't read anything.

[remote wadi]

Agreed. It's the same reason why anyone who ever wants to improve at something asks for advice. They're not abandoning all creativity or passion when doing so, they just want to hear from someone more knowledgeable than them on how to improve

Anyways, this is just a concept for now and is no way going to be part of a campaign soon

But I'm stuck between 3 classes, each has a good element to add to the character

[rough basalt]

There's some exceptions where they should be avoided via dm intervention.
Like if you wanna be an Evoker Wizard in Descent into Avernus, taking only fire spells will make you a burden.

[raw ocean]

Yeah, that’s what I mean—you don’t need to hyper-optimize most characters to make them usable. Most builds can work fine as long as you’re not trying some extreme gimmick.

Most stuff can just be reflavored most of the time too.

[remote wadi]

Fighter because it's almost always going to be a good choice for martial characters (especially when you can't get more thematic for this character than a samurai)

Warlock because PotB would presumably be both effective and fit for a "fundamental, but effective grasp on magic"

[rough basalt]

I had a dude whose only damage cantrip he took was poison spray

[remote wadi]

And Druid because I always wanted to see how this would play out when it's also raven-esque themed

[raw ocean]

Was his character also lobotomized in his backstory?

[rough basalt]

In a campaign that I advertised as being very undead heavy

May as well been

[knotty pasture]

What's the character idea anyways that you have to pick between Fighter, Warlock and Druid

[rough basalt]

Dude had 9 max hp at level 4

[raw ocean]

Please tell me he was atleast playing like a full healer at the back lines?

[rough basalt]

Wizard

[remote wadi]

Yeah, I'm not trying to be that creative and unique. Mostly asking myself "I like this character in a game/show. How can I make a dnd character inspired by them and what would they be?"

[raw ocean]

A wizard with one damage cantrip?

[rough basalt]

Yep

[raw ocean]

Dude even I wasen't that foolish on my first D&D game ever

[rough basalt]

No mage armor or shield either

[remote wadi]

9? At level 4? I dread to ask about his AC...

[rough basalt]

8 con, 10 dex

So his AC was 10

[remote wadi]

And only 1 damage cantrip

What... is the plan here?

[raw ocean]

He was atleast like using some spell to hide himself so he can cast support spells?

[rough basalt]

Nope

[remote wadi]

And I thought my team was throwing... at least they could be considered naive muscleheads

This guy has neither brains nor brawn

[slender gyro]

Anyone knows where i can find a beginner friendly character sheet creator?

[raw ocean]

D&D beyond?

[remote wadi]

DnD Beyond, probably

[rough basalt]

The player just makes troll characters, eventually I got tired of it

[remote wadi]

Yeah. Wouldn't blame ya

[rough basalt]

His last one was a cleric with 12 wisdom and no gear

[remote wadi]

So... exactly what should I do for this character concept?

[rough basalt]

I dunno. Maybe a paladin or ranger

[remote wadi]

And in case you're curious, I do these concepts because I'm a little bored and don't have much else to do until next Saturday

[rough basalt]

Both use magic to accentuate their fighting

[remote wadi]

That is true. But I mentioned Warlock before because Ranger and Cleric have their magic compliment their martial weapons, not so much combine with them

Hence PotB Warlock. Would be fun with a katana-esque weapon

[rough basalt]

Oh combine? Then yeah potb warlock

Probably hexblade for subclass

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. Think of it being the shadow equivalent of Heat Metal on a sword

[errant bramble]

To be fair, I use cleric like a caster that almost never uses its weapon. I make weird builds though.

[remote wadi]

But there's the problem

Some character concepts in my head are easy to make work because MCing solves the problem of each class having a vital component to the character's personality and fighting styles

[errant bramble]

I mean, some cleric classes are just more casty than others. Death domain is going to be using contrips more, and war domain is all about melee.

[remote wadi]

For example, a Champion Fighter and Berserker Barb

[errant bramble]

I missed the rest of this convo, so I’m missing some context, lol.

Give me a summary?

[remote wadi]

Asking chat about a character concept. Normally, making a character inspired by a character in a game or show is easy because you can find a great balance of "This is what they would be thematically" and "This character is one that would hold up well in combat"

[remote wadi]

Example A

[errant bramble]

I’m following so far….

[remote wadi]

Example B is my ongoing Gloomstalker and Assassin combo to be a bounty hunter who works well in and harnesses the power of shadows

Both of those are tried and true combos that work thematically and effectively

Problem? One concept I have is 3 different ones that make it hard to pick and choose

[errant bramble]

I see. I’m doing a similar character right now.

Mainly warlock, with a 2 level dip into rogue. Trying to decide if doing a 2 lvl dip into sorcerer would be a good idea as well.

[remote wadi]

Samurai Fighter, PotB/Hexblade Warlock, but I also wanted to try out a few raven powers of sorts with Druid

[errant bramble]

Depends on the raven powers. I’m not familiar with that subclass.

If it’s something like spreading darkness around, it would probably be great with devil sight.

[earnest sapphire]

Is an ac of 19 good at level 3?

[errant bramble]

Seems pretty good, ye.

[stuck shuttle]

Yup that’s fine

[remote wadi]

What class?

[earnest sapphire]

artificier armorer guardian model

[remote wadi]

Hard to say. It isn't as necessary as the other 2, but it would be pretty interesting to think about and implement

[remote wadi]

Even listening to it means it's probably a yes

[errant bramble]

What are some of the abilities it would give you?

[remote wadi]

I don't know. Druids are the characters I know tbe least about by a good margin

[errant bramble]

Also, same with my sorcerer dip. It isn’t necessary, but seems like it could be fun.

[errant bramble]

Alright, gimme a second. Imma go look at their subclass.

@remote wadi what’s the circle called?

Like, circle of stars, circle of spores, etc.

Or were you just saying you wanted to find something raven themed from Druid?

[remote wadi]

Yeah

[errant bramble]

Circle of the moon Druid lets you conjure a pack of animals, can be ravens if you want.

Gives you advantage of strength saving throws in their area, and does 3d10 slashing damage.

[remote wadi]

Anything about becoming one?

[errant bramble]

I think you can wild shape into a raven as any kind of Druid.

[earnest sapphire]

thundr gauntlets and right tools for the job

[errant bramble]

That’s just basic wild shape.

[remote wadi]

Hmmmm

Well, that is... also an option

[stuck shuttle]

Are you playing 2014 or 2024?

[green yew]

Hi guys im new to dnd and im a cleric

[errant bramble]

Hello

[remote wadi]

Not sure yet. These are just concepts

So, bad news and good news

[stuck shuttle]

You’ll need a hefty investment into druid to pick a raven

[earnest sapphire]

cool that was my first class

[errant bramble]

Circle of the moon Druid does improve your wild shape, let’s you wild shape into higher CR beasts I believe.

[earnest sapphire]

I am playing artificier right now

[stuck shuttle]

Wild Shape doesn’t let you take a form with a fly speed until level 8.

[green yew]

Cool

[errant bramble]

Really? Though you could pick any CR 0 animal at lvl1?

[remote wadi]

Bad news, putting that concept on hold

Good news, one that is roughly similar would pair very very well with Samurai and Druid

[green yew]

Fr

[errant bramble]

Ooooh. Forgot about that.

[remote wadi]

Okay, if any of you are interested in what I mean exactly for the characters I am trying to base it off of

Google Simon Blackquill

[errant bramble]

@remote wadi could get pact of tome on warlock and use it to get summon familiar. Then have a raven familiar.

[remote wadi]

Would be fun to make a character like him loosely based off of him, see how it would work in a DnD setting

[errant bramble]

Oh wait

I’ve solved your problem

[remote wadi]

I already did

Just stick to Samurai Fighter and CotM Druid

Would go well together

[errant bramble]

Get pact of tome on warlock, then make your patron the djinn. Summon a raven familiar with tome, then make it wear the ring from djinn. Go inside ring, and command bird around.

@remote wadi

This would let you keep being warlock.

[remote wadi]

How well would that pair with Samurai Fighter?

[errant bramble]

You’d lose out on hex blade I think, but you get some cool perks from djinn.

You can look and see what you think.

[remote wadi]

I'm a little confused on how I would lose hexblade

[errant bramble]

Isnt hex blade a patron?

[remote wadi]

I don't know. Warlock is also low on the list for characters I know

[errant bramble]

Lemme double check

[remote wadi]

I mean, I am relatively new still. And rules like these around magic classes would be tricky to think about without help

[errant bramble]

Yeah, hexblade is a patron.

You would need to choose genie instead. That would let you go inside a ring the raven is wearing, like a genie.

[remote wadi]

So hexblade is a subclass

[errant bramble]

Also, whenever you are wearing it, you can deal extra damage equal to your proficiency bonus. Damage type is determined by the genie type you choose.

[errant bramble]

Yes. Genie is another subclass.

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, genies wouldn't really fit well, though

I did see something about a Raven Queen of sorts. What's that about?

[errant bramble]

It’s more djinn. Elemental spirit things.

[earnest sapphire]

Have you guys ever played with the source book obojima

[errant bramble]

From where?

[errant bramble]

No, sorry.

[earnest sapphire]

it's really cool there's an origami mage instead of a wizard

it even lets barbarians rage and use potions

[remote wadi]

Can't say. For some reason, saying it got me timed out

[errant bramble]

@remote wadi Shadar-Kai are elves blessed by the raven queen or something. They don’t turn into ravens, but they can teleport and choose a damage type to be resistant to.

There is also a raven folk race.

[remote wadi]

That could work. Although, I think a raven familiar would work a lot better

[errant bramble]

There is a path of carrion raven barbarian subclass. No idea what it does, I don’t have the book.

[remote wadi]

I'll just stick with Samurai and whatever can get me the raven familiar

[errant bramble]

Easiest way I know of would be the find familiar ritual. Can get it from several classes.

[remote wadi]

Would be a good reason for me to actually care about Charisma too

[remote wadi]

I meant for Warlock

[errant bramble]

If your using 2024 warlock, then you can get pact of tome at lvl1

Choose find familiar as one of the rituals it gives you.

[remote wadi]

Only playing one campaign rn and it's 2014

Honestly, might consider largely sticking to 2014

[cinder spruce]

hello is the pfp fine to use in the server?

[errant bramble]

Oof, how many invocations you get at lvl2 with 2014?

[real mirage]

I've been reading through some of the conversations going on and all the terminology and knowledge being used is making me feel thick in the head lol

[errant bramble]

It’s ok, I only know like 5 percent of anything.

I feel like that too sometimes.

[errant bramble]

Can get the same thing at lvl 2 warlock then.

I lied. It’s lvl3 for 2014 warlock.

[real mirage]

My partner has an ongoing campaign with his friend group and it's made me want to try and get into it with a group of my own. My uncle got me my first dice when i was like 13 and he sat down and did a mini campaign with me. Had no idea what I was doing but it was good fun haha

[errant bramble]

#looking-for-players has games posted pretty often.

[remote wadi]

It's not lying, though. Why do people make a mistake and say they lied?

[errant bramble]

It’s a self-deprecating joke.

[real mirage]

ive been having a look but a lot of the timezones dont match up well with my awake times which makes it tricky

[errant bramble]

Ah, yeah.

[remote wadi]

It's one I hear all the time...

[errant bramble]

It’s also sort of an apology, at least when I do it.

Sorry, I gave you the wrong information.

[real mirage]

lately ive been awake from 3pm to 4am which is fine, but a lot of the timezones for the ones ive seen start at like 8 am or start at 4 and dont finish til 9am which again makes it tricky

[errant bramble]

What time zone?

[real mirage]

I do it too, i find it funny ^^

[real mirage]

awst

[errant bramble]

Oh dang, way out there.

[real mirage]

yeahhh

[errant bramble]

19 hours ahead of me.

[real mirage]

hence my sleep schedule atm, a lot of the people i play games with are american, from the uk, or aussies staying up late into the morning like me

[errant bramble]

I’m in AKST

[real mirage]

oooh I see

[errant bramble]

2am right now. At work.

[real mirage]

ewww why are you working at 2am?

[errant bramble]

Night shift.

[real mirage]

mkay valid reason to be working at 2am

[cobalt owl]

Some people are built for the night shift

[remote wadi]

It's cool, just a pet peeve of mine

[remote wadi]

I unfortunately have to be

[torpid trout]

been looking through the new monster manual

I really like the art direction a lot on some of the monsters.

[deft pine]

Minotaurs have always been dope, but these are pretty friggin sweet

[solid spruce]

12:22 here, day is cloudy. God be with you on your shift

I feel like it would be fun to do a Night Shift dnd session

I fear the Home alone shenanigan

[remote wadi]

I can agree on how great minotaurs can be

But

They will never be as near and dear to me as mimics

[solid spruce]

Oh yeah. The Perfect tool

So versatile
So cruel

[hot marlin]

Until one of the PCs gets truesight

[solid spruce]

I mean, in dnd 5e 2014, it is only very niche abilities that allow that

A few powerful magic items, a high level paladin ability, a moderatly high level spell, or an epic boon

Did i miss any ?

[remote wadi]

I'm not even talking about combat. Mimics are just so common and so loved in media and in games. Aside from the most common fantasy additions (elves, dwarves, dragons, Goblins, orcs, etc), they are very prominent overall

Minotaurs are pretty underrated for monsters that don't get much love, but I've always loved mimics

[wicked sparrow]

Critcrab is so addicting to watch

[lost flicker]

I'm faced with a predicament

I have a session in 10 hours, I've been awake for 35

[upper lintel]

Dnd bards are ridiculously strong .kinda funny When your average Joe thinks of bard they think like a dude in tights running away. like the dude from witcher show terrible adaptation of bard btw. great actor but terrible adaptation and writting. But really bard are very magical from my understanding like wizard magic tht strong with it. Am I right or wrong

[lost flicker]

I can't sleep for the life of me

[lost flicker]

A bard is anything from a performer to a historian,

Dude in tights running away works just as well as whatever power fantasy you might be imagining

[real mirage]

you have 2 options; try take a nap and have an alarm or two set before your session OR drink an ass tonne of caffeine and try stay awake

[upper lintel]

So you think it goes both ways ??? There's a show that capture the magic from a bard pretty well the vox of machina . Granted he was kinds funny but he was stupid strong at the same time .

[solid spruce]

Bard are jack of all trade, so even if other classes are better in specific domain, bard can shine in way more situations

[hot marlin]

I'm sorry, you can't sleep and have been awake for 35 hours?

[upper lintel]

But they also are magic beings right if im not mistaken ?

[hot marlin]

That seems serious, you're risking your health right now.

[lost flicker]

That's correct

I have Insomnia, this isn't new, it's just annoying

[upper lintel]

Your not alone I only get few hours sleep a night sadly

[upper lintel]

Same your not alone

[lost flicker]

They can wield magic yes

[solid spruce]

And dnd is a game of synergies, so bard are able to really empower their every actions with other abilities

[hot marlin]

I'd say get a sleeping pill, warn the people you're playing with that you might still be sleeping when the game starts.

[lost flicker]

I think I'm just gonna try for some caffeine, assuming I don't crash between now and then