dnd-discussion

[remote wadi]

Diplomatic was a bad choice of words

I mean not result in possibly angering the priest or doing something I shouldn't have

This is the first campaign. Don't mention how long it took to actually get my foot in the door

[fickle heart]

Ahh, that makes sense.

[nova trellis]

You can have a perfect plan, it'll probably fail.

[remote wadi]

But honestly, this could also be a good opportunity for my character to snap and not care anymore. Maybe a few sessions from now, I can solve my problems faster with a stronger pierce attack, sneak attack damage, and an unarmed strike to the wizard for making things worse

After all, Neutral Evil could be fitting for a wannabe bounty hunter who has lost too much

[fickle heart]

It's frustrating if you've never actually had to deal with this type of situation before in a game like D&D, but honestly...this kinda happens sometimes.

Stuff sometimes goes wrong, and you could have prevented it in hindsight, but the better you are with that communication about it, the better results you will have long-term.

[glass granite]

I don’t think turning evil and initiating PvP is gonna do you any favours

[crimson gulch]

Attacking your party would get you kicked out of most games by the way

[remote wadi]

Not killing the team

[daring pecan]

Oh God I'm getting the DND itch again

[glass granite]

Still, PvP is frowned upon oftentimes

[remote wadi]

Moreso killing the vampire straightaway and role-playing some sort of smack to the back of the head for not thinking twice before rushing in

[glass granite]

That’s a lil different

[remote wadi]

I'm half tempted to go on a little "hear me out"

[glass granite]

If you do I’m not gonna stay for it

[remote wadi]

I'm half joking about it

[glass granite]

But feel free

[undone fable]

how do you dm for that

[daring pecan]

I'm sorry but if you pvp me and the DM is okay with it I'm retaliating until you die and can't play lmao

[remote wadi]

It's just being very annoyed at me trying to be the one who is trying ti be some semblance of a mediator isn't just unsuccessful, it's unappreciated

[nova trellis]

Give in to evil. Be evil in Strahd 🙂‍↔️

[crimson gulch]

I let folks know ahead of time that that is the plan and they chose to play or not

[undone fable]

Is it okay to ask for some... help with dming a masquerade ball for a party?

[crimson gulch]

I had one player sign up reluctantly and I shouldn't have let them try, you gotta get enthusiastic folks that really want to play that way

[remote wadi]

And the quote is there for a reason: a child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth

[crimson gulch]

I have never ran a masquerade ball In dnd

[undone fable]

You havent?

[crimson gulch]

Nope

[daring pecan]

A child who attempts to burn down the village will be met with a Goliath barbarian carrying a great axe

[undone fable]

I thought CoS had a masquerade ball.

[glass granite]

Unfortunately, said child gets kicked from their universe from their DM for trying to burn down the campaign

[hushed mason]

Ooo! My character walked out of a fancy ball with a Deck of Many Things after an elaborate Oceans 11-type heist. And then she had unsupervised access to the cards over night!

[glass granite]

And a very cool cape of billowing!

[crimson gulch]

Not that I'm aware of

[daring pecan]

I hate when players think dms won't straight up just kick you out of the game for being a troll

[remote wadi]

Maybe not the whole dang campaign, but maybe on the level of "I don't care about solving your issues. I will solve my own and bask in my independence"

[hushed mason]

She just walked out. And then she got her date to carry her. It was awesome.

[undone fable]

i want to dm a masquerade ball

[daring pecan]

If you do invite me please

[remote wadi]

Again, I am not trying to derail the campaign. Moreso just lose connection and interest in the other party

[glass granite]

A DM will also consider you poorly if you don’t cooperate with your party,

[crimson gulch]

I generally stick to dungeons, wars, big dangerous wilderness, haunted lands

[hushed mason]

Painted faces on parade, masquerade!

[daring pecan]

Haunted lands sounds so cool

[crimson gulch]

They are, I run a bunch of horror campaigns

[nova trellis]

Maybe you are the smartest person in the room. Or, maybe you only think that. Either way, you won't always have all the cards, your perfect plans arent perfect and your party is drinking paint. What do you do, play with the cards you are given.

[remote wadi]

So why should I cooperate with a party that wasn't going to appreciate me anyways?

I or my character don't have reasons to care about anything other than themselves if no one else gives them a reason to care

[glass granite]

Then you better find a way

[daring pecan]

Might have to keep an eye out for campaigns if you look for players

[remote wadi]

That way is more or less tolerating them until I am self sufficient in game

[glass granite]

You already are

[daring pecan]

I guarantee one of two things if you go down this route 1 dm kicks you out 2 your entire team kills you

[nova trellis]

Stop focusing on winning and simply play. Thats my advice.

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t call it a guarantee

Both could also occur

[undone fable]

Is there any dnd tips i should know about?

[hushed mason]

It is a convention of the game that you FIND a reason to care. Above the table.

[daring pecan]

True lol dm gives disadvantage on all future rolls, forced to fight party, dies, okay you can leave now 😂

[hushed mason]

There's a certain degree of "suspension of disbelief" required to play a cooperative game like this.

[glass granite]

Communicate any issues you might have with the table, know what your character can do, remember that you aren’t meant to beat your team, but work with them and just have fun.

[magic veldt]

hello ppl

[daring pecan]

Hello

[magic veldt]

Im new to DND so I'ma just watch the chat lol

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening!

[magic veldt]

Night actually lol

[glass granite]

Hi new to DND, I’m Nugget. Pleased to meet you-
Damn it

The only time I didn’t mention

[magic veldt]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO MAKES THE SAME JOKES I DO 😭

[glass granite]

Yooooo
Also chill on the cap locks

[magic veldt]

Sorry

I got a bit excited :/

[remote wadi]

Let me recap on what "playing" looks like

No, you can't play ranged combat much, you're indoors
No, you don't get the benefits of the long rest, you failed the Con Check
No, you can't find ways to bypass the smog, blades and rats. Get your virtual d20 ready
No, you can't have all your rations for yourself. You'd be making the party actively worse
No, you can't use your background or your character's knowledge about scarcity to haggle better deals. It's twice the price to buy and a fifth to sell. Deal with it
No, you can't think of more creative ways to use your only tools. You will shoot arrows, do crap damage, and be happy

[daring pecan]

I wish I could play DND rn lol

[magic veldt]

Dnd players every day\j

[remote wadi]

Jeez, I'm starting to see why everyone is just telling me to quit. This is just my own slice of a torture chamber

[daring pecan]

Nah I just think you're not fun to play with lol

[glass granite]

1. Indoors doesn’t inherently get rid of ranged combat, just makes it so you have to worry about positioning more
2. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s part of the module
3. You just didn’t find a way, and maybe there was no easy way
4. Nah really
5. Thems the prices
6. you don’t need to do any of those, and you built your character to do the first

[fickle heart]

Choosing CoS as a first campaign is very probable for where your issues are coming from, to be totally honest.

CoS is famously unkind in the exact way you're criticizing.

[glass granite]

I agree here

CoS is famously unforgiving

[remote wadi]

In the context of the Death House, you're either close enough to get rushed down or likely can't see them (especially without a light source)

[daring pecan]

It's low-key sad cause I've never finished a campaign because my group like rarely ever meets I'd say I played about 2 hours total but met like six times

[glass granite]

A +8 to hit with disadvantage is still doable

[remote wadi]

It definitely is, but my damage dice have been brutal for these campaigns

[fickle heart]

There are only a few 5e campaigns that could be worse for a first experience with the game than CoS lol

[glass granite]

I’d hardly call a d8 “brutal”

[daring pecan]

I'm low-key sad I love DND so much but never get to play it

[oak grotto]

If you are talking about modules maybe y'all should move to the appropriate thread?

[crimson gulch]

Which is funny because it was the first written book I ever ran and it was amazing

[nova trellis]

I think Strahd is pretty easy. The hardest part is the ||economy, everyone is dirt poor||

[remote wadi]

Out of the past 20 damage attacks (a good chunk of my total attacks in this campaign), you know how many have been above the dice average?

[crimson gulch]

Less than half but more than a quarter

[glass granite]

Haven’t played, and if we’re going to spoiler territory it really should go to the correct thread

[glass granite]

I know because you told me. And I don’t much care, that’s just the nature of dice.

[remote wadi]

Only 2. And both of those were a 4 on a d8

[hushed mason]

So now even the dice hate you?

[crimson gulch]

Oof them the dice sometimes

[daring pecan]

I'm gonna head out

[hushed mason]

Take care!

[empty thicket]

So, my dm let me start building a house "between" sessions, like a side thing my character would do while wait to get missions.
Im planning to make one house beside a river with some crops and animals.
Any recommendation?

[remote wadi]

Lady Luck has always hated me. You should hear the stories I have in other games

[daring pecan]

Thanks I'm just a bit sad

[hushed mason]

The Sims 4, Cottage Living.

[glass granite]

A like the idea of a lil garden

[fickle heart]

I've heard it's not so bad for DMs on their first campaign if you just roll through it, but the real pain point comes for players that don't have experience with the game making the DM experience really painful for CoS.

[crimson gulch]

You should for sure have a meele weapon too

[crimson gulch]

I have had new players every time too, loved it

[glass granite]

A melee weapon wouldn’t help if they can’t see

[empty thicket]

its more like an excuse for trying the tool for building maps and giving some development to my character. In the shuttle i am staying now that is like our base i cant have plants, animals, etc. So getting my own place and stuff its fitting
Luckily we have meet a woodworker ally so he can help me

[crimson gulch]

They were getting rushed into merely in the narrow corridors

[glass granite]

Even at melee range, a bow would still be a better pick if they couldn’t see either way

[empty thicket]

yep yep, some tomatos, potatos and other stuffos and maybe some chickens, cows and pigs

[oak grotto]

Not really. Just build a house that your character would like.

[glass granite]

Throw a some orchards too!

[fickle heart]

Glad to hear your experiences were good with it

I've heard about a lot of bad ones where new players had similar experiences as Blood is referring to.

[hushed mason]

I'm getting pigs tomorrow!

[glass granite]

Yoooo

[remote wadi]

I technically do, but using it is kind if bad. No Archery FS, severe downgrade to range, no Sharpshooter (which made the disadvantage on limb attacks even more bull crap), and my dice goes down from a d8 to a D6

Also, our team (excluding me) is almost strictly martial, spellcasters, and 1 hybrid

[empty thicket]

its like 10gp a pig if im not wrong in the rules

3gp, my bad, 10 is a cow

[hushed mason]

These ones are free! We just have to feed them, and then we get to keep the bebes. Baby piggies are adorable!

[remote wadi]

Oh, yeah. And Nugget reminded me that I was the only person on our team that did not have dark vision
And our paladin deliberately casted the light source on our Bard twice

[glass granite]

Well, they wanted you to be able to see likely

[empty thicket]

nice!!
Be aware they eat anything, so, leftovers, fruits and vegies

[remote wadi]

...so why make my ability to see how well I can stay close to my bard?

Instead of casting the light source on, hear me out here, the one who needs the light

[glass granite]

It’s a narrow corridor, you should be with your bard anyway. And if you had that idea, why didn’t you voice it?

[remote wadi]

I did. They just didn't care

[glass granite]

Do they listen when others voice suggestions?

[remote wadi]

My sources say no

[fickle heart]

Sounds like you should definitely leave, then

[remote wadi]

The sources being to consider saving a spell slot in case of emergencies

Our Fighter going into the basement anyways

And our Wizard deciding to go guns blazing against the vampire

[nova trellis]

If it takes awhile to find a new game, could always up on catch up Delicious in Dungeon and Frieren. 🙂‍↔️

[glass granite]

Tbh Bloodline, the more I listen to these things and give you input, the more I’m thinking you should either leave, or that you might be the common factor here.

[remote wadi]

However

There is also evidence that they do follow some advice. Blatant and obvious advice, but following it nonetheless

[nova trellis]

I personally think its both.

I feel its a mentality thing and not great first party.

[undone fable]

would it be bad if I am the only martial-adjacent party member? Im playing a ranger with a warlock, artificer, wizard, and druid. 2024 rules

[glass granite]

And having a style that is nowhere near fitting with the module

[glass granite]

That shouldn’t be an issue

[nova trellis]

If someone posts a game for Witcight, join it.

Feel Witchligjt might be more your flavor.

[oak grotto]

Even if we told you to play something else you wouldn't listen so why are you asking? I mean I wasn't going to say that but my point still stands.

[empty thicket]

its always good to have a shortsword or dagger on you

[glass granite]

It is definitely

But in this case, I wouldn’t have used it even if I had the option

[nova trellis]

I dont see a problem with that party combo.

[glass granite]

Me neither

[empty thicket]

one never know and you can use true strike like a last resource

[empty thicket]

Not at all, you all are casters so... there might be some problems with counterspells, silences, etc.
The only problem i kinda see is, the frontline would be the arti and druid

[undone fable]

Me, who likes playing melee as well: what about the ranger?

[glass granite]

Rangers definitely can go melee

At least in 2024

[empty thicket]

Front like like, someone that can tank stuff in general. A ranger is more a dps instead of a soft//hard tank

Dps//caster

[nova trellis]

Personally I would just do a dexterity battlemaster since most of the good maneuvers work both on bow and melee but pfffff, do whatever, melee is fine on ranger.

[oak grotto]

Enid knows all of this. I have no idea why they're talking about rangers for 46425644th time.

Well, I have a guess.

[nova trellis]

Whenever I complain about ranger, its mostly me complaining about it being bad representating its fantasy. But also, realize its petty talk, DnD isnt a hard game so unless you're multiclassing your class into impatiance. Ranger like any class, is FINE.

[cobalt owl]

Enid is the resident expert

[eager marsh]

resistant Fan is more correct

[cobalt owl]

I'm simply a resident pile of bones

[glass granite]

And I’m Nugget

[cobalt owl]

I'll give you all the monstermon cards and you'll cause armageddon

[nova trellis]

Even my pick for worst subclass, arcane archer figher, is fine. You can play a game with it.

[oak grotto]

If she didn't repeat the same questions over and over I'd agree with you.

[eager marsh]

That's why I said Fan is the better term

[oak grotto]

I still think she's a bot.

[cobalt owl]

Enid? I have no evidence on that one

All I know is they like that class and that's cool

[oak grotto]

I find it unrealistic for a human to touch the same questions and topics over and over...

[cobalt owl]

Short term memory ig

Or somethin idk. I'd agree with you but I'm not gonna write it off as a machine that gets wiped every 24 hours

[eager marsh]

Enid has already admitted they are a System before. which means partitioned memory

[cobalt owl]

What, do they routinely ask "how do I calculate grapple checks dc" every session?

[bronze wave]

All for paladins to be the better half caster

What a world we live in

[eager marsh]

I don't think anyone here plays with them at all but they repeat the same general questions about things here on a regular basis, largely due to the System condition

[cobalt owl]

I don't come in often enough to see them ask the questions soooo

[knotty pasture]

Yknow the funny part is that Arcane Archer isn't even the worst

[bronze wave]

I thought they just liked ranger ngl

[cobalt owl]

Same lol

[knotty pasture]

Its right at the middle in terms of Fighter subclasses

[bronze wave]

Ehh is it

[glass granite]

I always considered it in the bottom half

[cobalt owl]

It is in the bottom half

[bronze wave]

I consider it like the bottom 3

Which might be the bottom half Ig

[knotty pasture]

Optimization wise at least, I've been making a community tier list thing which is really heavily based on community members in tabletop builds

[empty thicket]

what are top 3 best fighter subclasses?
Battle master
Champion
Samurai
(?)

[bronze wave]

Drop champion add echo

[knotty pasture]

Eldritch Knight, Battle Master, Echo Knight

[cobalt owl]

Echo's pretty up there

[bronze wave]

Echo is def the best fighter subclass

[oak grotto]

Paladin is on the very bottom for me. Which is ironic since it feels like everyone and their mother likes paladins.

[cobalt owl]

New EK is on the top 3

[bronze wave]

Eldritch knight is prob to bc spells

[knotty pasture]

Bottom three is Cavalier, Champion, Purple Dragon Knight

[bronze wave]

I think champion is better then arcane archer lol

[glass granite]

Cavalier?

[empty thicket]

i think they are very good in general. Good hp pool, ac, can cast spells and have lots of defensive features.

[bronze wave]

Champion is a mid tier if you ever seen one

[eager marsh]

Cavalier is also better than Arcane Archer

[cobalt owl]

Paladins have a vibe and a place, idk ig you dont like smite?

[exotic fractal]

'24 Champion has on-demand inspo though.

[oak grotto]

I'm sure they're capable. They're just not as interesting to me.

[knotty pasture]

Yeah Cavalier, tbh I like Cavalier from a design PoV too so its a shame on that front

[cobalt owl]

Everyone has their interests 👍

[knotty pasture]

Paladin's definitely not at the bottom, bottom's like Monk Barb Rogue

[empty thicket]

Rogue is hard to pull off sometimes

[cobalt owl]

I don't find ranger fun or barbarian interesting either so horses for courses and all that

Rogue is more fun as a multiclass lol.

[oak grotto]

I just don't like the oaths too much. But I don't like to ignore them either.

[knotty pasture]

Anyways will post the community tier list when its done, I think I'm half way through it

[cobalt owl]

Oh you think the oaths are too restricting or smth

I get that lol

[bronze wave]

Barb is pretty good imo. It’s like the best martial dmg dealer

[bronze wave]

I think it’s fun rp. It’s sooo much flavor

[cobalt owl]

It is until level 9+

[oak grotto]

At the end of the day I don't hate paladins. I just find them less appealing when compared to other classes.

[bronze wave]

I’m not the biggest believer in all flavor is free

[knotty pasture]

Except in a world where martials vs spellcasters are in the spellcaster's favor...

[cobalt owl]

Flavors hard sometimes, sometimes I just don't.

[bronze wave]

Sure I just think barbs are better then a few half casters and materials

[oak grotto]

Looks at your name. I'm not surprised that you think that.

[cobalt owl]

The existence of new mage slayer does give them a better chance after level 9 at least

[empty thicket]

yeah... that is why i would try to give some extras to martials

[cobalt owl]

One rounds worth but it's a good one

[oak grotto]

Same here.

[cobalt owl]

Some flavors hard to do anyway

[knotty pasture]

To some extent anyways

[empty thicket]

i read from one about giving them extra Attunement and i liked it, maybe give to classes that are whole martial//not caster an extra inspiration

[bronze wave]

I’ve been growing more fond of martial as a whole tho. Not a big full caster guy as time goes on

[knotty pasture]

I somehow made a character's psionic ability come from the Nine Hells, where the place has a distinct lack of native creatures with psionic abilities

[empty thicket]

and i read in another place, there is a rule set about hitting limbs and stuff, that would add an extra layer to martials for me and make them be okey

but i understand that cant be troublesome for some players

[bronze wave]

Meh I feel martial are in a fine spot

Weaker than full casters but I don’t think it’s wayyy weaker.

[cobalt owl]

Laughs in circle magic

[knotty pasture]

2024 caster gap is even wider than 2014

[jolly venture]

Have any of you ran games for level 20 characters? Im about to and im curious about something

[empty thicket]

Yeah...that or give tools to martials for counter casters in fights, so i can be more bold and throw them more dangers

[knotty pasture]

But 2024 Rogues being the best martials did give me an idea to buff Rogues in 2014 games

[empty thicket]

what is your curiosity?

[knotty pasture]

Unconditional double sneak attacks per turn past a certain level

[eager marsh]

2024 Rogues aren't the best martials and in fact they got almost no changes at all vs 2014 besides masteries and subclass tweaking

[knotty pasture]

You can now ready up a sneak attack which is activated with your BA on your next turn iirc

So you can drop two sneak attacks in a turn that way

[eager marsh]

No you cant?

[umbral girder]

Also the new Sneak Attack abilities

[jolly venture]

Its going to be for a 3-4 session long game and I plan to make it pretty difficult and I want to be generous with how many magic items they can pick at character creation. Im sort of limit testing/doing a trial run for this short adventure I made. I made this ruling for picking out their magic items, and I want to know your thoughts or if you have any experience starting games at level 20

• A character is only allowed a maximum of one artifact
• Unique magical items such as artifacts or sentient magic items can only be picked once by the party (at the exception of Orbs of Dragonkind) -- Two characters cannot both have Blackrazor
• Artifacts not allowed: The Book of Vile Darkness, The Hand and Eye of Vecna, The Staff of the Forgotten One and The Wand of Orcus

Total Points: 20
Point cost:

Common: 0
Uncommon: 1
Rare: 3
Very Rare: 5
Legendary: 7
Artifact: 11

the artifacts not allowed are for story reasons

[knotty pasture]

Wait nvm you can only do this with a War Cleric multiclass

Sorry for the confusion

[umbral girder]

You cannot sneak attack on the same turn. You could do so on someone else’s turn but you cannot do more than 1 in a turn.

[bronze wave]

Stuff like this is why a lot of tier rankings don’t make sense

But also go crazy to each their own

[eager marsh]

I did forget about the sneak attack options but I still wouldnt call Rogue the best matrial in 2024. they're still a utility type class

[empty thicket]

Welp, the principal thing i would say you must expect is, the players being too op. Be ready

[umbral girder]

Yeah new Rogue is utility and control pretty much

I will say being able to knock a Lich unconscious is very funny

[jolly venture]

yeah, I designed my adventure with this in mind. I made the boss very strong, stronger than any official dnd monster stat block

If you know Daurgothoth you know

[nova trellis]

No arcane archer bottom tier? 😔

[knotty pasture]

It ranked 6th out of 10th in my findings

[jolly venture]

do you think I should make artifacts higher cost?

[umbral girder]

Arcane Archer is alright. But yeah it is very much below PDK, Champion, and Cavalier

[undone fable]

Arcane archer is super mid/bad

[nova trellis]

Really? Near bottom for me since battle battlemaster archer just makes it redundant

Its worse then bad for me, its redundant

[undone fable]

i rank it last in all of the fighter subclasses

[empty thicket]

and for the items, i would make them have less op items so their skills shine more for themselves (for a fighter or some martial that dont use magic would give himm +10 extra points for their "choice" and that it is, so they dont get behing of casters) and yes, maybe make very rare, legendary and artifacts expensive

[knotty pasture]

The list will show itself in due time I suppose

[bronze wave]

I think the banner one is worse.

[undone fable]

banner?

[knotty pasture]

Purple Dragon Knight

[bronze wave]

I forgot the exact name but it’s the dragon one

[knotty pasture]

Aka Banneret

[eager marsh]

Bannerett

[nova trellis]

Someone do sells pitch for eldrich Knight for me. Been hearing whispering on how good it is.

[knotty pasture]

You can throw spells, is nice

[umbral girder]

You get spells + Fighter

[knotty pasture]

Kinda locked to dex fighter as a result but that's not really a bad thing to be locked into

[empty thicket]

until lvl 5 wizard spells

[nova trellis]

Dex Fighter is just fun.

[umbral girder]

The 2014 EK is rather iffy

[empty thicket]

and you can use a cantrip//spell and then do an extra attack with it

[jolly venture]

I was kind of basing it from Arkhan the cruel in Descent into Avernus who has 2 legendary magic items and an artifact, and he is technically a level 20 player character made into an npc

[undone fable]

I only rank Arcane archer because of one player. I already mentioned this person a lot already but basically the one player gets upset easy and stays in back of party all the time. And thats all i really need and want to say.

[umbral girder]

Thankfully the 2024 one works with way more different build options

[nova trellis]

That does sound like fun. What do the spells scale off of?

[undone fable]

is the 2024 one where you can replace one attack with a cantrip

[nova trellis]

Like your spell save DC and junk.

[bronze wave]

Spells plus the fighter stats

[empty thicket]

int, but remember that fighter is one of the classes with more stats ups

[undone fable]

eldritch knight is intelligence based on the wizard spll list

[empty thicket]

like 5 or 6

[knotty pasture]

Its why you go dex so you don't sacrifice anything

[remote wadi]

So, I decided to talk to the DM about the 2 main problems today

For the first about the merchant, he did being up the point that combining CoS's grim and empty atmosphere with a merchant who is more than aware of his unstoppable monopoly is going to be a problem

I do agree on that, but I do feel like a person who is the way they are because of someone else's greed would at least know how to leverage it into their favor a little more. Like "Hey. Books are hard to come by and we both know that. But buying it from me at a better price means that you can sell it to someone else for an even better deal that favors you." And not being able to do that would be pretty logical in both CoS and the real world

[eager marsh]

Most Eldritch Knight builds just involve not taking spells that use saves or spell attack rolls anyways

[knotty pasture]

Dex con int is just fine, you need like 14 int anyways

[eager marsh]

you gain spells at such a stunted rate that Shield and Absorb Elements are like the main good spells for you for most levels anyways

[empty thicket]

yep, most subclasses that access to spells are int users. I find it funny because would be like your character got smart and learned to do spells

Aka, Arcane trickster, eldritch knight

[undone fable]

oooh okay

[empty thicket]

Reactions, buffs and some utility in general. You mostly want that from spells

[umbral girder]

Fun fact it’s pretty easy to get more spells per day with Fey Touched + an Elf for a bunch of free spells

[empty thicket]

not damage, unless you interchange your range martial weapons for spells too

[bronze wave]

Does EK knight get booming blade? Or any cantrips?

[umbral girder]

Yes

[empty thicket]

and some spells can help a lot for break concentration, like magic missile

[umbral girder]

Several cantrips. Wizard of course.

[knotty pasture]

Booming Blade and Sword Burst are your bread and butter

[empty thicket]

You take the wizard list until lvl 5, cantrips involved

[remote wadi]

I mean, think of it. A guy who cares more about high profits than screwing others over would want to prioritize the former over the latter, if not both

[undone fable]

Fey touched, telepathic, telekinetic, Elf, and shadow touched

[nova trellis]

Wizards have some of the best spells and it being the fighter means you get good hit dice, profiencies and stat ups. Yeah, im convinced.

[nova trellis]

Too much touching 😔

[undone fable]

I dont understand fighters to be honest

[knotty pasture]

You fight really well, that is all

[empty thicket]

what about them?

[knotty pasture]

Also half of their subclasses are knight based so there's that too

[undone fable]

Why do they get so much love from WOTC and rangers are just... balanced?

[knotty pasture]

Idk have you seen Gloom Stalker Ranger

[nova trellis]

Then you got echo knight. The Naruto Shadow clone class.

[umbral girder]

Eh

[undone fable]

eh, its aight. but I love the other subclasses of rangers.

especially one in particular

[nova trellis]

Jokes aside, I would actually compare echo knight to more Nightcrawler(x-men) in terms of gameplay.

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker's the best so there's the love it gets

[bronze wave]

Fighter is a core class Ig. Like they are THE martial class yk Also it’s very basic so

[remote wadi]

So why not leverage that greed into getting a better deal for yourself? It won't be a net profit, but it's better than the current trade, no? (Current trade being buying was double the value, selling was a tenth. i.e. 1 day's rations for 5 GP, or a book worth 25 gp for a day's rations)

[marble lion]

Who is who here

[empty thicket]

Yeah, in general fighter isnt that "Hard" to understand most of time

[remote wadi]

Me or someone else?

[bronze wave]

Even then it’s only a dip usually

[undone fable]

I am the #1 ranger fan!

[empty thicket]

and if you add the thing that most times, a fighter wont access to the big layers of spells

[knotty pasture]

A v good dip at that, I think there's exactly the love it gets there

[marble lion]

Blood im not understanding anything. Its like youre skipping key words in your sentences

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker dips are as good as Fighter dips in a general sense

[undone fable]

At least WOTC tried...

[nova trellis]

Shopkeepers overcharge him, he spoke with DM. He can sell back stuff also at high prices.

[bronze wave]

If your best class is only good for dips meh

[empty thicket]

A fighter still is powerful, yes. They can action surge an enemy and if they land all his hits literally obliterate it.
But compare with other things, a wizard can whip down entire armies
A barbarian can be immortal while rage
A rogue can reach a burst damage that is absurd
etc. etc.

[bronze wave]

Fighter cna stand on its own, more good subclasses, more good options

[marble lion]

I got that but not the rest

[undone fable]

We need more "good" ranger subclasses.

[hushed mason]

What is it with shopping in 5e? It sounds infuriating.

[remote wadi]

I'll give a summary of the topic for today

First long and big problem for today's session wasa merchant who jacked up the prices for goods because CoS + monopoly on goods

[nova trellis]

Yeah, whose buying all this?

[empty thicket]

Yep and Fighter can easily multiclass too for his stats up that let him get enough extra stats for invest in another class

[knotty pasture]

Swarmkeeper is 2nd best so yknow its nice

[empty thicket]

Its hard to hate fighter too, you can play it in so many ways

[undone fable]

Swarmkeeper ranger is so awesome!

[marble lion]

So you are saying he should not lowball your goods with bad prices because he can sell it for more too?

[nova trellis]

If theres a monopoly, that implies everyone is poor and if everyone is poor, whose buying back your stuff?!

[remote wadi]

Buying the goods? Me, because merchant hasn't seen or interacted with me yet (and I was the main/close to only one who ever brought rations with them)

[undone fable]

I love swarmkeeper ranger so much.

[cobalt owl]

I can't say I feel the same lol

[marble lion]

He has monopoly on buying your items too.
Where would you sell your book?

[undone fable]

Its the best subclass. better than fighter. I even made special weapons for swarmkeeper ranger.

All homebrew by the way

[knotty pasture]

So devoted to the bees that you homebrewed custom equipment

[marble lion]

Sure he could still make profit, but this way he makes even more profit

[undone fable]

i even shared it to homebrew

[cobalt owl]

Went without sayin

[nova trellis]

It sounds like you dont have enough BEES in your opinions. You know what would solve that?! MORE BEES 🐝

[cobalt owl]

More bees would not solve that

Bees don't like bones

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. A guy who is in the problems he is because of someone's greed would at least know how to leverage that

And it would be pretty logical that you could convince the guy "buying these higher value items from me means selling it to someone else for even more". Merchant is an openly greedy individual, but not being able to leverage that into at least a better deal for yourself was both disappointing and what felt like a wasted opportunity

[nova trellis]

Thats what they all say before Dr BEES improved they're non bee day with more BEES

[marble lion]

But hed make LESS profit the more he buys it from you for

Youre not leveraging his greed. Youre trying to make him give you more

[remote wadi]

It would be coaxing him with the chance to earn more from someone else even more desperate than us

[cobalt owl]

No insurance, I'm going bee-less

[marble lion]

How much he pays you doesnt impact how much he can sell it for

[magic veldt]

My friend homebrewed a Paladin type character and named it "McRibber" for our dumb, joke campaign
All he could do was say McRib, he worshipped the McRib, and his weapon and armor were all the McRib

[empty thicket]

Fish reacting you.

[magic veldt]

It was amazing

His race and class were both "McRib" 💔

[remote wadi]

There was a trade route that he did talk about to me, so trading with them was a possibility

[marble lion]

So no monopoly?

[remote wadi]

Just for the town

[nova trellis]

Ever been to a pawn shop? You don't sell a product at max price because the pawner has to then sell it.

[tacit pike]

chat my group is starting a new campaign, whats some stuff i should buy

[marble lion]

The town youre in so he has the monopoly

[magic veldt]

He actually managed to kill a orc with his McRib
Don't ask how

[undone fable]

I like sharing homebrew in the homebrew channel

[magic veldt]

He rolled a high number and was lucky he drank all the strength potions 💔

[cobalt owl]

You would

[marble lion]

Anyway thats not leveraging greed. Thats just saying "ill go to someone else if you liwball me" which is reasonable

[empty thicket]

irl or online?

[marble lion]

You make it sound like he can increase his profits by paying you more which is false

[tacit pike]

Irl with my homeboys

[oak grotto]

Skeleton reacting you.

[nova trellis]

And if he's a greedy dude with a monopoly in a country where everyone is poor. He'll pay you cheap because you're be thankful that SOMEONE would buy something from you.

[marble lion]

Exactly

[magic veldt]

I love ur pfp btw

[marble lion]

This just doesnt make sense

[empty thicket]

Water, snacks, some good... how is called this thing that came in cans and make a room smell better? Those

[remote wadi]

With all due respect, I'd appreciate if you didn't assume the most extreme case for these things. I'm not saying that he should buy this 25GP book for 25GP, but having it be the equivalent of 2.5 gold (technically 5 because book for ration) is not something that couldn't be changed into, say, 25gp book for 10gp

[tacit pike]

brotato chip i have deodorant

[marble lion]

Why would he?

[magic veldt]

Air Freshener ?

[empty thicket]

yeah, that

[remote wadi]

Because he is greedy enough to want massive profits, but seemingly smart enough to not jack up the prices beyond the point of looking elsewhere being the objectively best choice

[magic veldt]

I laughed at this sorry
But yeah air freshener OOOO bring a speaker to try to play some music to set the mood maybe?

[nova trellis]

"WHAT?! This is worth at least 20 gold!" "Welp, too bad you rag, be thankful you got 5 gold."

[remote wadi]

I'm saying it's safe to say he cares more about lining his own pockets than screwing over everyone else

[marble lion]

Yes that is a good reason
Again though it has absolutely nothing to do with your initial logic

[empty thicket]

yeah, that too

[tacit pike]

None of us smell and we already have a speaker

[empty thicket]

and if you want, if there is some raining a spraying bottle

[nova trellis]

Ha, I actually guessed 5 gold, thats awesome.

[marble lion]

And if that is how you presented it to the dm it makes sense it did not work

[tacit pike]

A spray bottle would keep us on track…

[magic veldt]

Well uh then some snacks then and all set
If u want, maybe a whole pizza lol

[remote wadi]

The logic was pointing out that greed and saying "I'll fuel that greed into return for a little more leniency"

[empty thicket]

Dont ask what you must bring if there is an hurricane

[tacit pike]

500 cigarettes ahh profile picture

[magic veldt]

Playing DND in the middle of a hurricane would go hard ngl

[tacit pike]

we have food, i just mean like certain books, cool dice, or like whiteboard maps

[knotty pasture]

Cast Gust of Wind... literally!

[nova trellis]

I found a spell that cleans my lungs. I smoke 500 a day as god intended.

[tacit pike]

stuff for the entire campaign

[empty thicket]

i would use those little fireworks that you throw and explode, for cast some spells

[empty thicket]

bro... at that point crack is healthier and cheaper 🥀
Bro is saving everyone smoking everything by himself

There is no Absolute restoration that will save you this time

[remote wadi]

Anyways, the 2 silver linings was that I kept my valuables (but lost what's left of my starting gold...) in exchange for rations

And that he did mention that the only way to make the prices more manageable is by stealing it (which if i ever do return to the town at level 8-9, it would be very interesting)

[empty thicket]

A volcano throw less smoke than him in one day

[remote wadi]

Anyways, the other part for today was our Fighter letting a vampire from the basement loose and getting onto the roof

While he technically wasn't hurting anyone, he could have (and did) interrupt a funeral and burial, which is not the best way to pay back someone who gave ypu room and board for a long rest

Killing him was also ill advised because of the priest practically begging is not to

[empty thicket]

Funnily enough, the dhampir of my group, paladin is going to get an intervention because he is using a cursed greatsword that have a trick that let him make like a blood golem (like fear & hunger) and he spam it, a lot.
We are goign to save our buddy from the demonic sword

WE dont have any detect or identify yet so... lets pray for the best

[remote wadi]

And here is the big problem: how exactly do you get someone off of a roof 30 feet up?
Our Paladin and Fighter just couldn't reach him, and while there were 2 ways to reach him and restrain him quickly (our owlin wizard flying one of us up, then grappling or shoving him off... or our currently giant/esque fighter tossing one of us up onto the roof)

[empty thicket]

Nets are useful, chains too

[remote wadi]

Neither one was possible because this was all in hindsight. And first plan really wasn't available because don't ask me why our Wizard decided to get into melee range not to grapple, but to specifically cast Witch Bolt

[empty thicket]

Bro wanted to tease him maybe

[knotty pasture]

If only one of your teammates has misty step...

Otherwise can you just hide in cover or something to stall the enemy out

[remote wadi]

It felt more like obstruction. When you get grappled by the vampire, I'd wager you would either grapple back or disengage and ask for help. But he just used his action to use the Witch Bolt effect

[marble lion]

Maybe wizard wanted to get bitten

[remote wadi]

It wasn't really appreciated. If I can't hinder the team and teach them a lesson about being prepared and packing rations/waterskin, they shouldn't do this

Anyways, I now had to bail out the team again for the second time in this session alone. But instead of all of my gold, it had to be a spell slot (Ensnaring strike)

[empty thicket]

i always pack rations and a filled waterskin

because im scared that some mission got longer and we have to take care of stuff or worse. Always ready for the worst

[magic veldt]

Lmao
And the hurricane crashing against the walls would be amazing for a sea battle

[remote wadi]

I did. And was the only one to do so... the first bail out for this session was me needing to use up all my gold and silver (40gp+) to get rations and waterskins for the team

[magic veldt]

Pretty solid setup
Ask the DM or the guy hosting it what to bring
Communication is key for a peak session

[knotty pasture]

Maybe its safe to just not share your rations

[remote wadi]

So now, I had to use a spell slot to provide the solution to the problem i never asked for

Naturally, I'm trying to think of ways I can get him down without a spell slot (even worse was the vampire not wanting to come down)

[knotty pasture]

Have the team get wiped if they all wanted to play selfishly

[tacit pike]

valid

[remote wadi]

Problem is, all I had was a bow, arrows, spells, and not much else of value

[knotty pasture]

I mean yeah how else can you get up a tall building without a spell slot or racial abilities

[magic veldt]

"HELP DUDE IM ABOUT TO DI-"
"should have brought rations" 😭
But that's fair honestly

[knotty pasture]

Outside of spamming arrows with disadvantage rolls

[remote wadi]

And here was what upset me
My best and only option to have high risk and high reward (reward being no spell slot usage) was to shoot his limbs to make crawling and hanging on much harder, if not impossible

[marble lion]

Roofs usually have a way to get on them though

People maintain roofs

Your roof is really important

[remote wadi]

And since my character has sharpshooter, this should work out (if I can hit a target from 200 yards with little more than a head showing while also having surprising accuracy, hitting him where it matters would be logical and effective, right?)

[empty thicket]

i pack extra sometimes, i dont mind honestly and i prefer them being good, normally the rations are cheap.
But i always remark them to bring some and be ready if there is need of long rests, for now our missions are 1 session and then long rest

but yeah, time for them to put the TEam in Teamplay

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately no. In addition to having the arrows do absolutely nothing on a hit with 9 piercing damage (3+ modifier+ 2 from FF)

I also had to make those rolls with disadvantage

[knotty pasture]

If you have sharpshooter, there shouldn't be disadvantage on rolls against high ground

[tacit pike]

chat im making an expiremental campaign where the players are/become the villians

any tips?

[knotty pasture]

Just have everyone do evil stuff in the campaign lol

[nova trellis]

I recommend getting crossbow expert at lv 4. One, cool vampire hunter look and a removal of the close ranged penalty. And a bonus action crossbow hit.

[knotty pasture]

Be a murder hobo, steal, burn things

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying, hitting small targets is not a foreign concept to my character

But what upset me is that the arrow hit and did not half bad damage for a level 3 Ranger. But it didn't make him lose his grip or require a save of sorts to show "It's working. Try again"

Disadvantage on the attack roll too

[knotty pasture]

By RAW you don't stagger the enemy on hit tbf

[nova trellis]

He was shooting at limbs. Since it wasnt a actual mechanic in game, his DM allowed it with a penalty(disadvantage)

[knotty pasture]

That's completely a DM thing

[remote wadi]

Not asking for a stagger, but if you hit the enemy on a limb while they were hanging from the roof, it would at least do something, right?

[knotty pasture]

Unless they were hugging the roof or something and clinging onto it with all their limbs, the roof could be relatively flat and not steep

There's too many factors that the answer will go back to "depends on how mean your DM is"

[remote wadi]

Yes, he did allow it. But it immediately turned into "Yeah, the attack hit exactly where you wanted it to. But it did nothing"

[knotty pasture]

You really have it bad with this campaign huh

Nothing short of a flying race or a Githyanki would save you here

[tacit pike]

Yeah but thats more one shot style, i want to make a story

[remote wadi]

Good news, we did have an Owlin Wizard. Bad news, he decides to fly up and have his one mission in this combat to get in grappling range and cast Witch Bolt

[nova trellis]

Find a troll and farm it for infinite jerky.

[knotty pasture]

There's your issue, I don't think a Wizard even has tools to knock someone off

[remote wadi]

He could fly someone up to the roof. He could drag him off the roof

[knotty pasture]

Wait nvm Wizards have thunderwave

Yeah your Wizard is just stupid lol

Owlins can't fly someone up to a roof unless their size is small or tiny iirc

[remote wadi]

And the worst part is, even after escaping from the Vampire grapple, there could have been a lesson lea-

Charged right back in to use the continued damage effect for Witch Bolt

[knotty pasture]

Dragging one off the roof = shoving, which is better done with Thunderwave

[remote wadi]

They are small sized, yes

[knotty pasture]

Your campaign sucks we get it

This convo is triggering feelings of deja vu

[remote wadi]

It's... a fixer upper that I am willing to be patient with

Or too stubborn to part ways with. Technically the same thing

[marble lion]

I recommend you try to play by the book for a while

[knotty pasture]

Its an improvement at least, we went from Ranger sucks to my party sucks

[remote wadi]

Wish I could send the warthog "mind blown" picture

[nova trellis]

Use that bad experience, get crossbow expert and become Van Hellsing.

[remote wadi]

I actually already have a better idea. Gloom Assassin nova build

[knotty pasture]

Ah you've finally embraced my kinda build

[remote wadi]

Yeah. You weren't around for Nugget making that suggestion for me

Was saying "And that guy told me he would regret seeing how I make this build work..."

[empty thicket]

almost, asked my arti if he could infuse a heavy crossbow i brought with repetitive shot. So i change a bit the weapons.
1d10 is useful too.
Had a talk about how +1 ammo/arrows/bolts are giga hard to get and after 1 use they just get wasted (turn into normal ammo)

[nova trellis]

Crossbow Expert is apart of that build you know lol

[remote wadi]

I honestly wanted to do Gunner. Hunting Rifles are too fun

[empty thicket]

Why artificers cant make those? like, after X time make 20 +1 arrows. Would be something i expect from a class that can make magic items

[nova trellis]

Pffff, really depends on what your DM feels like putting in.

I would bet money on you not finding a gun.

[remote wadi]

Already checked several times with DM, they are allowed and prevalent, apparently

[nova trellis]

I would ask your DM beforehand on that so you dont have a dead feat.

[tacit pike]

why do all the feats feel so plain 🥀💔

[remote wadi]

I'm really sorry, but there is little confusion to be had for "Checked with the DM several times"

Which is to say, he knows about me trying to get a good firearm

Anyways, to say what I was trying to

I don't mind making a sacrifice or 2 for the team if they showed gratitude or thankfulness for it. Like when I did it for session 2-3. Gave everyone rations and water despite not needing to (although I was the only one with rations and a waterskin)

[nova trellis]

Pursing and knowing doesn't mean gurantee one or if they exist. If you're gonna use a feat, its better to be safe then sorry.

Hear it out his mouth "Yes, guns exist and you can use em."

[remote wadi]

He literally told me just that

[knotty pasture]

Wait till you hear about how optimization works around the same feats for every class

[remote wadi]

Homebrew rule section, confirmation, understanding about me getting and using a gun eventually, everything

[remote wadi]

Back to this, I and my character are altruistic for the same reasons: part "I like seeing others win, too", part "you'll watch my back if I watch yours, right?"

But that quickly gets chucked into the bin when how you get paid back is when it's almost entirely dark
You're the only one who can't see in the dark
You know this, Paladin knows this
Paladin casts the light source on the bard

It's probably why next time, I'm going to give 3-4 Rations to the Fighter and go "I'm done bailing out the team. Either you all provide for yourselves or you make it worth my while to hold your hands (payment)."

[nocturne gyro]

Do you guys like the Cartographer class?

[hot gate]

The artificer subclass? It seems quite interesting yeah. Haven't gotten around to try it out though.

[burnt valley]

lol

[karmic echo]

can someone just give me a time to start a campaign

ill join anything

[still plover]

Check the listings in #looking-for-players for games that want people, read the details, respond as appropriate and cross your fingers.

Type /looking and select the option for #looking-for-dm to advertise yourself as a new player in search of a group. Be sure to include your regular availability!

There are other Discord servers where people gather for games. You can find them in #looking-for-community .

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started.

[lyric idol]

They can. Just....not via class features.

[stark arch]

qeustion about the spell "True Polymorph" can you use this to become a blue adult dracolich ??

and do you need to have encountered the creature type you want to morph into ?

[marble lion]

I have my doubts that polymorph can replicate a dracolich but huh

Dragons when they spend years becoming a dracolich instead of just polymorphing into one

[upper condor]

Guys, I'd like to tell my experience earlier

[stark arch]

thats why its a lvl 9 spell

[last heron]

Is there any non one-shot campaign podcasts/Shows in which a player played an artificer

[upper condor]

So, we're level 3, I'm a blood hunter but I'm new to dnd so I'm dumb, we roll for stats and I got 19,16,12,10,10,9. I put 19 I my intelligence, 16 in my charisma, 12 in my strength

Dexterity and constitution is 10
Wisdom is 9

After a while of fighting were like at 2,100 exp and we need 600 for level 4.

The DM just made us fight a Blight Stalker with 75hp and a beast master with 150hp

[stark arch]

19? thats cute im forced to use stock stat scores

15 highest with out race specials

[upper condor]

Ohh, I put it on intelligence though
I realized later that should've put to strength for blood hunter

[marble lion]

Ouch.... you have no physical stats while playing a physical class

[stark arch]

first time playing?

[marble lion]

Id recommend asking the dm to let you redo that. Youre really set up for failure here

[upper condor]

I'm gonna multiclass to a sorcerer for level 4

[stark arch]

i have a cleric in my party with only 9 strenght and uses chainmail armor.....

[marble lion]

You also need constitution

[upper condor]

Yes

[stark arch]

your dm didt look with you making ur stat scores? i geus ask the dm to change ur scores

[marble lion]

Multiclassing is almost always weaker than one class, and you still need to redo those stats

Your multiclass choice doesnt match so you will be splitting your stats between 4
Strength constitution charisma intelligence

Seeing as all your stats are low except the 19 and 16, that means you cant

1 low con:
ou will lack hp to fight and especially to use your hpsacrifice abilities if you
2 low str: your melee will be useless
3 low cha: your sorcery will often be useless
4 low int: least bad of all but still a shame your curses will be bad

When multiclassing, try to match at least 1 core stat

Paladin bard, paladin warlock, sorcerer warlock, barbarian paladin, wizard bloodhunter, rogue monk etc

[upper condor]

Idk if it can be changed, it works with strength of 12 for now

I use Rite of the Frozen and 2 handed weapon
I could deal 6d4 and 2d8 damage in one turn if they both hit above the AC
(Since I apply frozen + poison to both weapons)

We're leveling up so I think I will try to ask if I can lower my intelligence in exchange for strength

[marble lion]

Youre new so i dont blame you

But this dm needs to have you redo your stats. +1 on your melee is debilitating and having a +1 or 0 or -1 on con means youre constantly a walking eggshell

You will kill your own char by using bloodhunter abilities

[upper condor]

Btw, I have 38 hp so I guess that's pretty high? Blood hunter has 3d10+12hp
So I rolled 10,9,7 then it amount to 38

[marble lion]

Thats false

At level 3, you start with 10, then add 2 more dice rolls

[stark arch]

add ur con mod

[marble lion]

You then add con modifier per level

At best rolls you would have 33

Thats if you roll the maximum

[upper condor]

Oh, idk why dm put 38 then

[marble lion]

And put the 12 in con

[upper condor]

I rolled the 3d10 and it is 26, then they add the +12 for some reason?

[marble lion]

I think the only ways youre not a major burden to the party is if you stick with bloodhunter and move the 19 to strength or con and 16 the other
12 strength and dump the rest

Or you go full sorcerer with 19 charisma and 16 con

[upper condor]

Dex is the roll when hitting enemies with AC right?

[marble lion]

If you use a weapon marked with finesse or ranged yes

[stark arch]

i wonder where he gets the +12 from since ur con is 10 gives 0 mod

[marble lion]

What weapon is yours?

[upper condor]

Melee weapon

[marble lion]

I mean what weapon

[upper condor]

Dagger, sickle, cleaver

I only use 2 of them, since 2 handed weapon

[marble lion]

Dagger and sickle both can use dex

However, if i may, those are very weak weapons but thats a less important matter

So yeah you could go 19 dex instead of strength

No melee weapon needs dex though, you can always use strength if you want to

[upper condor]

I could deduct 6 to my intelligence making it 13 then deduct 2 to my charisma making it 14 then add the 8 to strength to it becomes 20 but idk if it is allowed

[stark arch]

i cant find any offical stats about the cleaver weapon. where did you got the stats from aniiwa ?

[marble lion]

Deducting isnt a thing in dnd

[marble lion]

Huh i thought that existed. I assume its a handaxe

[upper condor]

We picked up an Orc weapon, it's a cleaver after defeating them

[stark arch]

oh

[marble lion]

However, a cleaver isnt finesse so it requires strength to use

[raw ocean]

Yall ever did rolled and kept a 3 stat?

[marble lion]

No

[upper condor]

And after we killed the Beast Master with 150hp, I had to constantly deal around 30 damage to kill it

[raw ocean]

I don't even understand why anything under like, 8 should exist

[marble lion]

How did you deal 30 damage?

This sounds very messy rulewise
Is the dm new?

[stark arch]

wat spells ur using? or attacks?

[marble lion]

2 attacks with d4 weapons with 2 curses for another 2 2d4
if both hit and a +1 each

I doubt you dealt 30 damage each round

18 damage is your round max if you dont crit

10 from blades and 8 from the bloodhunter elemental damage buff

[upper condor]

Uh, 2 handed weapon

So I attack with both Sickle and Cleaver

Then I use rite of the frozen (2d4) on both weapons
Then I use a venom (2d4) I picked up on both weapons

Then the weapon cleaver themselves deals 1d8+2 damage
Then the sickle deals 1d4+1 damage

It becomes 5d4 + 1d8 damage

[marble lion]

2d4 at level 3?

[still plover]

Here's the point buy chart in case your DM would allow you to change your rolled scores:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#AbilityScorePointCosts

But if you agreed to rolling, generally you get what you got.

[upper condor]

Well it's 1d4 but I apply it on both weapons so it becomes 2d4

[marble lion]

That cleaver deals d8? Dualwield weapons need to be light
No light weapon deals d8

[still plover]

Rather feel that's an invention of their DM. I agree though, d8 on a light weapon is steep.

[snow agate]

Something came to me in a dream
Since magic users often have effective money or work glitches even with low level spells, they can generally have a lot more kids than the average person before reaching a point of unaffordability

[marble lion]

At level 3 its steep

Also you can only coat 1 weapon in poison per round

Also i dont think you can use a rite on 2 weapons at once

[still plover]

Maybe. How much are they spending on lessons and equipment though? Time is also a factor.

[marble lion]

And poison and rite both use bonus action so you can only do one of them

[upper condor]

It's not dual wield but I can wield it in 1 hand and the other (dagger or sickle) in one hand because of my class two weapon fighting

[marble lion]

That is what dualwield means

Also your offhand attack needs the bonus action

Coating poison takes a bonus action per weapon, riting a weapon takes a bonus action, attacking with your second weaopon is bonus action

[upper condor]

Oh, I coat it in poison before the battle starts, like I'm riding on a horse and I sense danger I start preparing, I use crimson rite then I use poison

[marble lion]

You have one bonus action per round

[marble lion]

Sure but then its gone after 1 hit with it

Dont tell me the poison just lasts infinitely

[upper condor]

No, it last for 1 battle...

It's a neyriim poison

[snow agate]

Well you’re not a single parent XD and there’s nothing saying your kids only get taught by you, but think about basic things like food/water/housing/cleaning/shelter/healthcare, a lot of those can be covered or made much easier with relatively low tier magics, so as long as the mage knows a teacher (or maybe even your spouse is knowledgeable and educates them) to spend time with them, you can have a rather well off family of large proportions

[marble lion]

Your dm gave you 1battle poison lmao at level 3

Also just to make this clear, each of those actions takes a turn, that means you need 24 seconds to apply all those things

[last heron]

Is there any non one-shot campaign podcasts/Shows in which a player played an artificer

[upper condor]

Yes, I apply it before battle starts so have plenty of time to do it

[marble lion]

Just saying you cant do that right before a fight
Only if youre the one planning the when

[snow agate]

So it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility for a mage with even merely 2nd lvl spells to have like a dozen kids and still be able to manage it

[marble lion]

A quick headsup lets you do maybe 1 of those

[upper condor]

Ah- I just apply it when I sensed danger
Rite of the frozen last for 1 battle too anyway so... it doesn't go away until a battle that have started ends, we're just traveling on horse and wagon so it stays

[marble lion]

Its all gonna be fine though

[vestal crow]

Which cleric domain focuses on damage in 2024 rules ? I want to focus only on damage not healing or buffing

[snow agate]

Light, war

You should still probably have those in your back pocket tho, otherwise you’re hamstringing yourself

[charred panther]

For those who ran/played Tomb of Annihilation: how much the existence of mosquito net for your tent breaks the module?

[vestal crow]

Its because of the character design who refuses to heal

[snow agate]

I did play it! It doesn’t

[snow agate]

…..if your character doesn’t want to heal injured teammates or themselves when they’re injured, you might want to pick a more cooperatively-oriented concept

[still plover]

I was thinking more along the lines of the wizard's time and funds to study their craft.

[upper condor]

But I'm kinda wondering
A werewolf gives 700 exp with 58 hit points

And the dm just give us a boss fight of like 75hp (with an ac of 14) blight stalker 150 hp (17 AC)

And we somehow manage to kill both of them at level 3, our team is a elf bloodhunter (me), priest, dwarf, wizard (using shatter and chromatic orb)

[vestal crow]

We already have a life domain cleric im just like a worse sorcerer

[charred panther]

Alright, so I add the "you can't have mosquito net" to my sulking list, thanks

[upper condor]

But blight stalker only gives 400 xp (reasonable I guess) and the beast master gives 600 xp (idk why it only 600 when it has 150 hp)

Originally, the beast master should have 320 hp as dm said but dm said it's too high and made it 150 instead

[still plover]

Absolutely though, a couple of common cantrips can greatly help with the tasks of a medieval level society. Prestidigitation alone cuts hours out of the daily workload compared with doing laundry by hand.

[still plover]

XP and HP measure two different things.

[upper condor]

Ahh

[shy hound]

yo guys is it possible to turn the dnd campaign instead of fantasy,its SCI-FI

[ebon vapor]

take a look at spelljammer I think that's scifi

[shy hound]

what's spelljammer?

[ebon vapor]

setting

[shy hound]

wow that's kinda cool

where can i sign?

[ebon vapor]

all I know is that it has ships in space or something to that nature 😭

[shy hound]

sounds like one piece to me

BUT IN SPACE

[snow agate]

Even moreso if you’re looking at classes like Druid or cleric, where a lot of their low level spells not only deal with regular injuries or ailments, but also food, water, fixing things, animal husbandry, locate object, purify food and drink, calm emotions, etc

And wizards themselves have two super useful tools at lvl 1, unseen servant and floating disk, or at lvl 3 with things like arcane lock, continual flame, spider climb, rope trick

And imagine how useful even just mending would be with domestic living for wear and tear or breaking things

[still plover]

It's a Flash Gordon, ER Burroughs, bit of Moorcock sort of setting. Ships on the Astral Sea, floating worldlets, dead gods, weird stuff. Sure, you could do something like One Piece with it.

[shy hound]

it is One piece ,sounds interesting,sounds like guardians of the galaxy

[still plover]

If you really want to get into it treat the spell lists as the adventurers guide versions. I bet there could be other, lesser cantrips for smallfolk. Not full mage hand, but close and lock the door kinda stuff.

[oak shoal]

If you could pick one cantrip from DND and bring it into real life what would it be (no simulacrum because thats obvious.)

[tender pier]

question to dm's, what are some of the wildest worlds you all created?

[marble lion]

Thats not a cantrip anyway

[tender pier]

Aw dang i think i posted in the wrong channel

[still plover]

Fair call!

[snow agate]

It also opens up the floor for a teacher background for a character since you don’t need to be a skilled combatant (like a fighter or something), but for a caster class, you’d have well enough practice with low tier magic

[marble lion]

Guidance maybe or spare the dead, possible mage hand?

[snow agate]

I would say prestidigitation or spare the dying

[still plover]

Presti: cool my clothes for an hour, recast. Eat it, summer!

[marble lion]

Spare the dying is the altruistic one
Eldritch blast/fire bolt is the evil one
Mage hand and guidance are utilitarian

[oak shoal]

I meant no presideigation I get the spells confused because they have weird names

[snow agate]

Ok then spare the dying

[still plover]

Kinda niche.

[marble lion]

You literally can save lives

[snow agate]

Makes healthcare waaaay more efficient xd

[oak shoal]

Friends because nobody would know that you've enchanted them

[marble lion]

Thats the most powerful cantrip of all

[still plover]

Useful if you're a paramedic, I guess? Most folk don't have people dying left and right around them.

[marble lion]

Offensive ones are fun and some others useful

[marble lion]

Even if its just once in a lifetime, it is probably worth it

[oak shoal]

Eldritch blast is just a gun considering commoners have 5hp

[snow agate]

The only other one I think would be really worth it is mending but if it’s between mending or spare the dying I’d just go with the latter since irl medicine checks aren’t one action

[marble lion]

Imagine your loved one is dying from a household accident and you can just go nope

[snow agate]

Yeah it’s not really worth it

[marble lion]

I assume this wont stop deaths from disease etc but you could tide people over

[still plover]

Guidance is a YouTube playlist of "Dad, how do I..." videos.

[marble lion]

I think if you had that cantrip, you could stop at least 1 death of a loved one

[lyric viper]

Presti is the every day spell for sure.

Mending is highly useful.

Spare the dying is great in an A&E, but that's a lot of stress and responsibility if you pick that as your spell- but then working in an A&E is already that.

[marble lion]

And depending on your luck and job, strangers

[oak shoal]

Mend so I can be a welder without having to work for it

[marble lion]

Id take the stress to nope death

[oak shoal]

Mend someone piercing to a wall

Or is that to evil?

[marble lion]

I think its a lot more stressful to spend every minute you spend with sick parent or partner worrying if its gonna happen vs the "could i have" "i need to save everyone"

[snow agate]

Yeah id say it actually removes a lot of the stress since you’re not in a panic or a rush to rescue them, you just need to be there and cast a cantrip, it mitigates much of the skill issue/urgency

[marble lion]

Well you do need to be fast

[snow agate]

Well duh but you just have to arrive rather than apply first aid for like an hour

[marble lion]

After 18 seconds, it could be too late

[knotty pasture]

Guidance is an art

[marble lion]

If they failed saves

Maybe id go with eldritch blast though

[lyric viper]

More that I see this a vocation. If you pick Spare the dying to learn as the one spell you can master, then you're taking on a lot of responsibility, but you want to.

[stuck shuttle]

Mending wouldn’t be able to do that, but also you’d probably get caught fairly quickly

[snow agate]

Easiest hospital gig ever

[marble lion]

Eh you dont have to do it ever. Its an option

[lyric viper]

Where as presti, mending, shapewater, mold earth and so on are certainly useful, they're not 'I'm picking this in order to save lives.'

[still plover]

Now I'm thinking simple spells. Cantrips cut down. This isn't prestigidation, it's the do laundry spell, or the magic fan spell.

[marble lion]

It just means i wont have to watch my partner die from an accident, most ailments, overdoses etc

[remote wadi]

I may get some flak for it, but

Spells existing in the real world would be awesome, but undeniably destructive. Even ones meant for healing

[snow agate]

That wasn’t the subject of this, the person just asked “if one cantrip was real which one”

[marble lion]

Im assuming only i get cantrips

[still plover]

Well, if you're using D&D as a base, sure. Half the list do intentional harm.

[snow agate]

I was assuming everyone got cantrips xd

[lyric viper]

Ah, I thought it was the 'If you could pick one for yourself, which would it be' and not 'pick one for everyone, ever'.

[marble lion]

The other one id use is friends i guess

Imagine being able to just befriend anyone

Very useful

[halcyon forum]

I would for sure go with Prestidigitation. The amount of time saves in day to day life plus you could easily turn it into a cleaning business

[halcyon forum]

for one minute, then they are mad at you for enchanting them

[marble lion]

No

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. I would agree with spare the dying, but it's very hard to not think about things like this and not have it turn towards that

Spare the dying would be really great. Not for me, though. Being around dying people where every second counts would make my life very very stressful

[marble lion]

Only i have magic. They dont know its a thing

[lyric viper]

It's funny how the thought experiment changes if:

• You're the only one to get it
• Everyone gets one specific cantrip
• Everyone can pick on cantrip (And you all know you can do this)

[marble lion]

Theyd just think im super charismatic

[halcyon forum]

the spell says otherwise. they always know, plus mind control is evil anyway

[knotty pasture]

If healing spells are widespread irl, lots of doctors would be out for a job

[marble lion]

The spell says otherwise because its written for dnd.....

[snow agate]

A sacrifice I’m willing to make

[remote wadi]

If I were to get only one cantrip, then I'm going Eldritch Blast

[knotty pasture]

Anything that slows down or stops death would negatively affect doctors in theory

[lyric viper]

They know. They hate you afterwards.

[marble lion]

Thats just not true

Even in dnd that is not true

[snow agate]

This message was paid for by big Doctor

[halcyon forum]

the premise is that the spell is taken as written into the real world. you cant just decide to change it.

[lyric viper]

"When the spell ends, the creature realizes that you used magic to influence its mood and becomes hostile toward you."

[stuck shuttle]

On the contrary, medical discoveries to prolong life has expanded the healthcare industry

[marble lion]

Damn i did not remember the specified hostile

[lyric viper]

And yes, enchantment spells that affect people's agency are indeed not good

[remote wadi]

Stopping others from an instant death is great, but self defense means you can protect the people you care about

[marble lion]

Nevermind thats bad

[stuck shuttle]

If anything healing spells would be a supplement instead of a replacement

[snow agate]

I live in America so I don’t really need eldritch blast xd

[halcyon forum]

and even if friends would work like you thought it does, its would be wrong to cast friends on people

[knotty pasture]

See, those medical discoveries worked out in doctors' favor because it either introduces more questions towards how they can improve health or the skill itself is so hard to replicate for almost everyone that they're still v much in demand

[remote wadi]

So do I, but I'm poor and haven't been able to worm towards a license yet

[knotty pasture]

If everyone got cure wounds that'd genuinely be bad for doctors

[marble lion]

Accidents and medical problems kill pdople a lot more often. Not violence

[snow agate]

Understandable

[marble lion]

I can live with that

[oak shoal]

Fred, The enchantment wizard is on multiple FWW watchlist (Fantasy weird watchers)

[snow agate]

I think I’m gonna list that in a “too bad” because it’s too good for society

[marble lion]

Evil league of doctors who harm because their 9 years in uni were lost

[snow agate]

Villain aah backstory

“I used to be needed”

[remote wadi]

Well, sure. But my problem is that I sometimes get bad shivers just hearing about terrible wounds and ways to die. I would do very poorly in an environment where every second matters

And even if I didn't, my stress levels would reach whole new highs

[halcyon forum]

cure wounds cant cure illnesses anyway, just mend wounds. doctors will be fine

[marble lion]

That applies to violent scenarios though

[oak shoal]

Pick one level 9 spell other than wish to use once per year

[marble lion]

Oh boy

[snow agate]

Ok speaking of, detect poison and disease are also great

[halcyon forum]

true polymorph maybe?

[marble lion]

True resurrection 9th level?

[stuck shuttle]

It also assumes Cure Wounds is widespread. I’m pretty sure even 1st level spell-casting is fairly uncommon outside of maybe Ebberon

[remote wadi]

You left out true resurrection. Pay the price

[halcyon forum]

you got be crazy rich to cast that one though

[snow agate]

Gate

[marble lion]

Oh wait yeah gold cost

[oak shoal]

True polymorph on any dude who makes fun of me

[snow agate]

Don’t ask what I’m doing with it

[fresh patrol]

Uh, what would your characters do if a deer licked their hand and nudged its head against their pouches, like asking for snacks?

[marble lion]

Oh i got it.
Power word kill

[snow agate]

I would say that casters are probably at least 2% of the population so it would cover healthcare

[snow agate]

Pet it

[remote wadi]

You know how rich you could get from resurrecting someone of importance? You resurrect who you are told to now so you resurrect who you want to later

[halcyon forum]

fair enough

[oak shoal]

The free "I don't like you die" button

[remote wadi]

I mean, think of it

[marble lion]

That would feel very powerful indeed

[snow agate]

Do crazy things, resurrect George Washington

[marble lion]

Though technically much weaker than other offensive spells

[remote wadi]

He died in 1799

So not possible

[snow agate]

Id want to cast Gate so I could cause significant amounts of chaos in the world

[marble lion]

Thats what they want you to think

[oak shoal]

Happen to have 1082251082.251 USD money laying around? Then you sure can cast true resurrection

[marble lion]

I dont think its that much

[snow agate]

Fiiiiiiiine. Other political or scientific people

[remote wadi]

No, but someone else who wants me to resurrect someone would have more than that at their disposal

[marble lion]

How much gold is it?

[remote wadi]

25k GP worth

[civic palm]

Would cubic zirconium work?

[remote wadi]

Of diamonds specifically

[snow agate]

Would a billionaire pay to resurrect somebody super important? Probably

[ebon vapor]

does the world even have that much in gold

[oak shoal]

I added a zero mb it's around 100 million

[ebon vapor]

can we sub out gp for any equivalent currency?

[marble lion]

25k in dollars i think is closer to like 3 million than a billion

[snow agate]

The diamond prices irl are inflated beyond their actual supply so we have plenty diamonds

[civic palm]

Okay, but are the GP’s solid gold? Or are they gold-plated?

[oak shoal]

Solid gold I think

[shut path]

gold, that's how they get their value

[remote wadi]

Exactly. And as long as they are sure to not screw you over in return (you can bring back life. Taking away is also heavily implied), you can make sure everyone lives a long life. Or the good kind of immortal if you have the epic boon

[marble lion]

It cant be pure gold though or it would be too soft

[shut path]

...no?

[oak shoal]

It's fantasy dawg

[marble lion]

I though pure gold is soft

[civic palm]

Currency has value because we say it has value. Gold is valuable in part because of its rarity and luster, but if people didn’t like gold, it’d just be a neat metal useful in electronics.

[snow agate]

I’d still rather have Gate so that I can cause mass amounts of chaos by opening portals to other planes of existence and inviting demons and elementals and other such things

[shut path]

yes, soft enough to indent with your teeth but not soft enough that you cant make a coin out of it lmao

[marble lion]

Thats not something where that matters to me

[shut path]

you can literally buy solid gold coins

[remote wadi]

I mean, being able to resurrect anyone from the past 200 years that is willing, not dead from old age, and have a new body if the old one is destroyed (and you know their name) is very sought after

[marble lion]

Ofc you can. I just didnt think dnd coins were soft enough to "damage" just by biting them

[oak shoal]

Dnd the high FANTASY roleplay tabletop RPG

[shut path]

well they are

[marble lion]

I dont care

[snow agate]

I do think I could cause ww3 and ww4 with true resurrection tbf

[civic palm]

All you have to do is be a level 20 wizard with a level 20 cleric buddy, make a simulacrum, have the simulacrum wish for a pile of diamonds, and bam. You have your True Resurrection for essentially free.

[shut path]

why wouldn't you think that

[marble lion]

Because i thought gold coins were just not fully pure gold

[remote wadi]

Well, I do have the power, but can always keep it a secret as to how it works. Heck, you know how much Intimidation bluffing you can do with Thaumaturgy alone?

[marble lion]

I guess i found my first power word kill target

[shut path]

why did you think that? that's how they get their value, they're made of a precious metal

[halcyon forum]

Still think that true poly would the most useful. even If am still somehow CR 0, and everyone else is too, I can still turn one object into a CR 9 creature that is my friend once per year

[marble lion]

There would still be gold in it. Thats why

It just means a pure gold coin would be worth more than 1gp

This really isnt complicated

[shut path]

let me ask a better question, why would they NOT be pure gold

[snow agate]

but nah I’d rather cast gate and summon a demon army into the mortal realms just to see what happens

[marble lion]

Durability

[civic palm]

Weight issues.

[oak shoal]

Certainly not the direction I was thinking but yeah

[shut path]

it's money

[lyric idol]

Have you seen how much gold gold has depending on the carrot?

[ebon vapor]

tbf we literally have paper currency today

[shut path]

it doesn't need to be super durable

[marble lion]

Durable money is nice

[civic palm]

Also you live in a world where wizards can just wish for infinite money, making the gold inherently worthless.

[remote wadi]

Why i chose this spell is because for other people, the thing that can be built to save lives can be used to kill more lives. Ever wonder how and why the machine gun was made?

But this is in my hands and is limited to once a year. That means I can revert so many disasters, heartbreaks, and terrible choices

[marble lion]

Paper is kinda durable tbh for what it is

[shut path]

that's where you have to suspend belief

[shut path]

way less durable than gold though

[snow agate]

The dark urge to just learn meteor swarm

[marble lion]

Yes but also light as a feather

[civic palm]

Yeah, but the coins aren’t valuable just because they’re made of precious metals. It’s also because they’re accepted as legal tender in the first place.

[marble lion]

And proof that the actual material used doesnt have to dictate value

[still plover]

May all your choices be obvious.

[snow agate]

Imagine what you could do if you could effectively call one airstrike per year, no strings attached, no traces back to you, no evidence

[civic palm]

Like, I couldn’t just hand over a chunk of gold in equal weight to a gold piece and expect it to have the same price. It has to be refined, properly minted, and then it can be used as proper currency.

[shut path]

yes but it does is the thing. it's based on medieval coinage, not modern currency. medieval currency was based on the inherent value of the currency itself

[marble lion]

To clarify im not saying you shouldnt say theyre pure gold
I just think its not unreasonable to assume theyre not either
I think both works

[remote wadi]

Imagine a GoFundMe for Rick May, Billy Kametz, or Mikayla Raines to name a few

[glass granite]

Like, our “gold” coins irl have 0% gold, I wouldn’t be surprised if the gold in these fantasy settings are just an alloy

[shut path]

i don't disagree that both work, i'm just saying that there's no reason for them not to be entirely gold

[snow agate]

Likely true

[marble lion]

No i bet there is gold in there

[remote wadi]

I hope my choices that come to mind were a good kind of obvious

[marble lion]

But i can see them being changed a little to be less soft

[shut path]

you guys are thinking about this from a modern viewpoint

[glass granite]

I also don’t think all the medieval era gold coins were pure gold

[shut path]

they mainly used silver

[remote wadi]

Me? I just want to take back what the world took from us too early

[civic palm]

Even during medieval times, they didn’t just slap down ore and call it a day.

[remote wadi]

That is a timeless emotion

[shut path]

and they were almost entirely silver for the majority of the time until you look at like the romans

[oak shoal]

What exactly have I started here😭

[marble lion]

Everything

[remote wadi]

95% economy talk, 5% missing the great people we lost too early

[shut path]

the refined metal generally shared the same value of weight as the coins, like an ingot or a bunch of rings with the weight of 100 silver coins, would be worth 100 silver coins

[marble lion]

You cast power word bait

[snow agate]

Meteor swarm would let you blow up 4 40 foot radius spheres for 40d6 damage each. You could effectively blow up any important building in the world or blow up any important person or meeting in the world, every year

[marble lion]

Int save succeeded

[shut path]

the exception would be something like the romans, whose coins had more value in rome than outside of rome, but were still almost entirely precious metal for the most of their history so they had material value outside of rome

[remote wadi]

Maybe. But I prefer the power to heal and create than to destroy. Who knows? Maybe we both could have each to balance it out

[glass granite]

It’s a lot easier to take a life than save it, unfortunately

[marble lion]

Hey saving a life can be easy too

[civic palm]

Most empires considered their coins to be more valuable than others in medieval times. It was a significant way to tax imports.

[marble lion]

Just not once theyre actually in the dying process

[civic palm]

After all, it’s not like all kingdoms had the exact same methods to mint their coins, right? Some would be considered more impure than others.

[glass granite]

That is true, maybe I should rephrase
It’s a lot easier to kill a LOT of people with meteor swarm than to neutralise that damage with any spell except MAYBE wish

[snow agate]

Would I be a warmonger with meteor swarm? Yeah probably

[shut path]

yes, that's what i was talking about. the roman's silver coins were at one point only like 80% silver, so they'd be worth 100% in rome due to the minting, but 80% everywhere else

[remote wadi]

And that's why I choose to bring back what was too late. It might not seem like much to you, but I've lost a lot of people
Some who I valued a lot
Some I wish I knew before they were gone
Others I regret that I didn't give the mutual care that I received

[shut path]

because for the majority of history where humans have had currency, its been based on the inherent value of the currency itself and not just imaginary monopoly money that may or may not be backed by gold somewhere in a treasury (like it is now)

[civic palm]

Modern money isn’t backed by gold. It’s backed by belief.

[shut path]

exactly, it's a trust based system of arbitrary value assignment

[civic palm]

Actually that’s true for any currency though.

It doesn’t matter how much gold you have if the person you’re trading with doesn’t accept it.

[snow agate]

I think the closest thing to a “fair” currency was when the Japanese had their wealth measured in rice

[civic palm]

All currency only has value because we give it value, regardless of the time period.

[remote wadi]

And even then, think about the suffering you could revery for the people who have hurt deeply from it. How you can have them keep that lesson reality thrust upon them, but give them the life they had back. Like it was all a bad dream...

[glass granite]

Didn’t medieval Europe sometimes use grain for wealth too?

[marble lion]

Yes

[civic palm]

The only reason we have currency is because bartering for everything was just not viable. It’s a lot easier to say a cow is worth a talent of silver than to say it’s worth ten bushels of wool.

[shut path]

but that's more of a materialistic point of view instead of an actual real life point of view

[snow agate]

Europe had a less standardized economy for most of its history but by the samurai age Japan standardized rice as the metric

[remote wadi]

And remember. You can do this every year if you wanted to for the people you care about

I don't know about you, but I think it's safe to say why my aunt chose to have a tattoo of a semicolon

[civic palm]

No? In real life, we had a bartering system before currency. Currency started because it became impossible in large civilizations to maintain a barter-based economy.

[shut path]

people assign value to precious metals because they were well- precious. beautiful and rare

[glass granite]

The more you know

[civic palm]

How much milk could you trade for apples?

[shut path]

and how is not the same thing lmao

if the trader doesn't accept tomatoes than my tomatoes are worthless

[glass granite]

Nom
I’ll have some

[still plover]

More because they were scarce and durable enough to be used as a controllable and reusable currency.

[civic palm]

Because we assigned the value. Precious metals were chosen because they were difficult to acquire, and thus harder for someone to cheat you out of your trade.

[stark arch]

trade a potato for a gram of gold. trade a loaf of bread for a gram of gold

[remote wadi]

Sorry about the rambling, but it is something deep to think about. Being able to give back what was taken away too soon

[shut path]

precious metals became currency because they were used as a bartering tool very frequently, people didn't overnight just go "we're using this to represent value!"

[snow agate]

Easily storable and easily traded versus “bro I don’t want your wool”

[shut path]

they were assigned value like someone would assign value to apples or milk

the idea of a standardized currency is a very recent revelation

[still plover]

Anyway, Wikipedia has a little about this topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_money

I pin that as it's been a long time since History class for me.

[shut path]

but yeah i think my point still stands, is that currency before modern times was something that had inherent value to the people trading with it

i don't assign very much inherent value to a piece of paper and most do not

[lyric viper]

Throw into this that D&D economy is also gamified to be more convenient for players, and only some things keep a more 'realistic' price for vermisilitude (brain tired and no spell check)

[civic palm]

The value is what you can trade it for, not the paper itself, is what you mean.

[shut path]

yes that's what it is now

[remote wadi]

Well, for better or for worse, can't sleep now

Brain is thinking long and hard about if True Resurrection was real

[still plover]

Foreign currencies have been used as clues or lures in fantasy literature. The red gold of the Murgos in the Belgariad was often seen as a sign of one dealing with "the enemy". In Terry Pratchett's Jingo! coins from Klatch are used to implicate a decoy as an assassin and throw off an investigation.

[snow agate]

I mean they still are nowadays

[still plover]

What ideas could be useful in your games here?

[remote wadi]

Maybe it's just me, but it's hard not to think about this. Especially if you're going through some tough times yourself

@still plover Quick question. What did you mean about may my choices be obvious?

[shut path]

i could bring a hundred thousand in cash back to the roman empire and they'd have like no use for it other than studying the paper, i can take a hundred thousand in gold to almost any point in civilized human history and someone will be interested

[pallid haven]

Your profile is caleb

[shut path]

si

[pallid haven]

Mighty Nein?

[shut path]

si

[civic palm]

Civilized? So, like, after Egypt or?

[shut path]

civilization was around before egypt brother

[still plover]

In my Grim Fels setting the black coins used by the necromancer Khazarog were treated as contraband in the Kingdom, yet valuable to collectors or in trade to the Wardens.

[civic palm]

Yes, just trying to understand what you’re referring to civilized history though.

[shut path]

generally yeah

we can just use that as a jumping off point

of course it varies wildly from civilization to civilization but i'm speaking generally

[civic palm]

Nomadic tribes probably wouldn’t be that interested in it unless they’re near a trade route, but I see what you mean.

[still plover]

If you could do your one thing once a year, when would you do that? How would you know you hadn't used it too early or too late? Sounds very stressful to me.

[civic palm]

Wasn’t this about how much it would cost to cast true resurrection in the modern era?

[shut path]

sorry if i sound rambly i'm just super into history, archeology, and anthropology

[pallid haven]

History can be cool

[shut path]

i bet you could convince almost any modern wizard with a really good sandwich

[civic palm]

While a Wizard with wish could cast resurrection just fine, true resurrection is the exception unfortunately.

[shut path]

asking the wizard ressurecting my cousin if he takes venmo

[pallid haven]

Do wizards love sandwiches

[burnt valley]

Is it possible to teleport bread RAW?

[shut path]

but he only takes zell so i genuinely just leave him dead

[civic palm]

Wouldn’t you love a sandwoman? Or sandman, I dob’t don’t judge.

[pallid haven]

For three days?

[shut path]

do you think wizards would automatically add 15% gratuity

[remote wadi]

Well, I see it more as a 1 year cooldown more than once a year
And it's pretty easy to understand when you have used it too late. What i see as "too late" is someone taken from us too early. Cancer, one fatal mistake, or even the darker reason that someone only regrets too late. Too late for others, but not for me

It would be taxing for sure, but for me, it would be worth being completely exhausted for a week if it meant bringing back someone who was cherished and missed by many

[civic palm]

A wizard? No. A sorcerer on the other hand?

[shut path]

could use gate maybe

[civic palm]

Bard’s would charge you three times the price and then convince you to add gratuity afterwards.

[pallid haven]

Question?

[still plover]

And the next week, day seven of cooldown, the inevitable happens to someone else important. What then? Don't you think some folk might judge you for your earlier choice?

[remote wadi]

Okay, that was pretty funny. I'll give you that one. Just be grateful he doesn't believe in tipping culture

[shut path]

i'd totally sell my soul to a warlock patron if she was hot like mizora i'd be screwed

[pallid haven]

I've teleported bread

[shut path]

it's like you're telling me i get cool magic powers too? added bonus

[civic palm]

“Sell shares of your soul on the Demonic Stock Exchange! Just sign here aaaand you’re going to Hell.”

[shut path]

jokes on you mister "patron" i was already going to hell

[civic palm]

Warlock stock broker.

[remote wadi]

I've come to terms that I can't save everyone. Just the ones that matter the most

Besides, I would technically have access to the spell once every year. And the requirements are dying within 200 years of a reason aside from old age

[shut path]

the value of your soul depends on how pure of heart you are and your deeds

[remote wadi]

I mean, I can name 3 people that, if the person and others were asked if they would want them returned to the living, there would be overwhelming support

[shut path]

the real question is, if you guys were actually in dungeons in dragons what class would you be? not what class would you WANT to be, which would you most likely be

[pallid haven]

A kobold

[remote wadi]

I fortunately have both be the same thing: a cleric

[civic palm]

I have decent intelligence, so maybe a novice wizard? Doubt I could hit higher than level 3 though.

[shut path]

well since that's a race and not a class, i can only assume you would in fact actually be a kobold

[pallid haven]

Indeed

[still plover]

Haven't you heard? If you're not paying for it, you are the product.

[civic palm]

Bard that specializes in cooking as a talent rather than music.

[shut path]

i think i'd unfortunately be a rogue. i can be super quiet, i'm too skinny for my own good, and i've got those little raccoon fingers for jamming into tech

[pallid haven]

He cooks with music

[shut path]

or maybe a ranger because animals like me

[civic palm]

Using sound waves to cause the food to vibrate at high frequencies until it’s perfectly cooked.

[stray sage]

do loxodon eat meat or are they strictly herbivores?

[shut path]

i'd be a really shit rogue though

[pallid haven]

I can imagine the bard playing song while he does some cooking

[shut path]

suprisingly close to how a microwave works

[civic palm]

“This song is fire, more ways than one.”

[remote wadi]

I mean, I would definitely set some limits and boundaries so being taken advantage of is not likely

But hear me out: you always hear about all these characters with the power to destroy worlds. But few remember that they are only as powerful and purposeful as the ones who create life

[idle oar]

I don't believe it's specifically stated anywhere.

[pallid haven]

Skinny as in really really skinny

[shut path]

loxodon carnivore who swears by the raw meat diet

[civic palm]

Which subclass or rogue?

[remote wadi]

You also have a very high chance of being best friends with a blue Owlin Wizard

Hm, hm hm, hmm