dnd-discussion

[prisma mason]

his redesign not so bad ngl

[sleek cloud]

first time seeing his name that way lol

[remote wadi]

Is it just me, or is a lot of content these days either too afraid to take risks or makes a ton of stupid decisions and calls them "risks"?

[buoyant oar]

Yes.

Why take risk when you don't have to.

[sleek cloud]

“Let’s give another subclass we’re making the ability to generate temp hp, surely they’ll love another one of those”

[prisma mason]

define risk

[valid geyser]

and teleporting

[buoyant oar]

What if this subclass got misty step

[dark basin]

What if this subclass got faerie fire

[valid geyser]

what if you get a spell, but with a bonus

[remote wadi]

Because you still lose a ton of profit and interest from the fanbase

Methinks it isn't a coincidence that the heaviest hitters from the past few years have consistently been indie or AA games

[prisma mason]

so what do you mean by stupid decisions and risks

[buoyant oar]

Perhaps in Video games. But in TTRPGs. DnD could not print anything for a half a decade and remain on top.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, the 2024 books have been a huge hit

[prisma mason]

oo yeah alot of ppl like the class changes

also the beholder art is cool

[sleek cloud]

For most classes

[buoyant oar]

Take Dark Sun. Very dark and brutal setting. Like Very brutal. Them touching Dark Sun with a 50' pole is a corporate risk for the company that advertises kumbaya, and peace and love and fun for everyone.

[valid geyser]

i dont think it's about taking risks, and more about having to put in effort to make innovative stuff

[remote wadi]

That... is a bit of a good point. Keep in mind, I could also be from wotc not really having competition in terms of DnD, let alone a good chunk of TTRPGs

[knotty basin]

It’s both

[buoyant oar]

If I was a MBA at WotC I'd do dark sun only for the nostalgia bait and change as much as possible to the point I might as well made a new setting.

[valid geyser]

it's also a setting with some mild social commentary, frightening stuff for a corporation

[crimson gulch]

I'm hoping for some fun good new campaigns in 2026. A good location based romp

[valid geyser]

i also think dark sun is also just a setting that has wildly different setting lore compared to what exists, and wotc's writers really seem to value a consistent multiverse

[remote wadi]

Gotta disagree with this tbh. It doesn't need to be revolutionary in order to be well received. It just have to have a lot of love and care put into it

Granted, making innovative stuff is important and difficult, but not the be all end all

[crimson gulch]

I probably wouldn't run dark sun

[prisma mason]

if they make something dark they should do the realm of the raven queen

spooki

[buoyant oar]

A corporate risk was two FR Books. One for DMs one for Players. Considering for the last ten years they have been trying to put as much content for everyone into a single book.

[crimson gulch]

I like that stratagem better than the box sets Ala planescape and spelljammer

[buoyant oar]

Mainly because the two boxes sets had tiny page counts compared to the FR books

[crimson gulch]

Yeah it's got way more to it for sure

[buoyant oar]

But I like being able to choose which books I want to buy.

[valid geyser]

and its a lot like dragonlance where it's kind of a setting with an established story road. The setting has an establish way to end all the bad stuff going on and save the world via the creation of an evangion, but it is also just wildly difficult

dragonlance didnt even bother with a full setting book, just a 1-10 adventure

[crimson gulch]

And that was a really fun book to run

[remote wadi]

Then maybe I will have to wait and see. May be the exception to the rule, but it's hard to have a little faith in this without too much experience

[prisma mason]

dnd itself is kinda whatever you want rlly so if you want a more meta on the commentary game you can have that

[buoyant oar]

I mean tyranny of dragons was the funniest adventure to put in the Realms. Considering it was stated to be a Dragonlance Adventure in the forgotten realms

[prisma mason]

or if you want more darker themes

go to like hell or something

[valid geyser]

I think that ideally dark sun could work as a 1-20 adventure, maybe with the plot of the 2 dark sun DOS games from the 90s that never got a proper ending maybe?
I just dont know if i trust wotc to do it right

[buoyant oar]

If you want darker themes you need to go to someone who isn't beholden to a toy company for kids.

[robust mirage]

what if i use a summon spell for snakes above the enemies' head at a certain height, do i roll for damage on each snake or all of the snakes at the same time?

[prisma mason]

i feel like each snake makes more sense

[crimson gulch]

I'm having a really great run of tyrrany of Dragons, I'm using a lot of the content in the adventures in faerun to plaster over some cracks in it

[prisma mason]

because one snake might not hit as good as a other snake or take as much damage

[modern scroll]

guys , i am stuck between 2 sick ideas
Planning to run a 3 part adventure ,
Idea 1 , fairytale styled horror with cursed dark unicorns , strawdolls and hags with a twist of something far darker corrupting the poor villagers cattle , land and posessions.
Idea 2 , a dwarven horror adventure where a party of dwarves is escaping their ruined town and the mines and seeking refuge elsewhere

what do you guys think sounds more fun out of these 2 , cause i know the people im planning to invite would like either lol

[prisma mason]

but if theirs alot of snakes maybe just all

[valid geyser]

i mean with how falling damage works, only one snake would be able to fall on someone

[modern scroll]

I hate being indecisive rahhh!

[rugged hawk]

That isn't a decision, that's braindead. Idea 1, obviously, because dorfs drool

[prisma mason]

oooo 2 is cooool are you gonna have a big monster that they gotta avoid?

like a hook horror

"they dug into the underdark and something came out from the darkness"

"they dug too deep"

[rugged hawk]

That's just Vaults of Orv all over again

Also, again, dorfs are stimky peons, elf supremacy

[modern scroll]

It was gonna be more of like "wow dwarves never actually left these mines... wonder why." and it would be alot of spooky cave monsters with a central threat that annhialated the town in the first place

but again , im indecisive so ill have some deep thinking about what i pick

[prisma mason]

ahh cool i like it

im writing a dwarf thing rn where it duegar who invaded from below and took over their golems that protect the dwarven hold using their mind masters

[modern scroll]

that does sound very cool

[prisma mason]

yeah their gonna be stone golems probably shaped like statues of dwarves

[jovial shadow]

There is no mechanic For damage from falling items like that in the 2024 rules. That I'm aware of

[robust mirage]

so it WOULD work in the 2014 rules then right?

[prisma mason]

now big problem is golems with the rules i use are kinda insane so i gotta use their weakest stat block probably lol

[crimson gulch]

The improvised damage chart

[valid geyser]

from what i know, when a creature falls on another, damage is split
but your thing with the snakes would only trigger fall damage once, because only one snake of the vertical snake chain splits itself with the target
also mass summons like that dont exist in 2024 anyway

and it's like, a third level spell slot for half of like 3d6 damage, so why even bother

[jovial shadow]

no because the glossary specifies what can be used and it's not creatures

[marble lion]

Snakes? Snakes weigh nothing and are soft tissue

[robust mirage]

taunt damage🙏

[marble lion]

Unless you mean a massive species i guess

[prisma mason]

they can bite tho

im sure theyd be angry their falling

[marble lion]

That they can

Im gonna strangle someone with cooked spaghetti next session

Im sure that works

[jovial shadow]

Burn damage

[marble lion]

The secret is in the starch

[rugged hawk]

....I am not at all a fan of how we can only search subclasses by name, not by description.

[hushed mason]

Mmm. Starch.

[marble lion]

Why not just look at the class, then click the sub?

[rugged hawk]

Because there isn't a 'dragon' or 'dracolich' option for locks

[marble lion]

Description search seems a bit messy i guess

[fossil hollow]

there isnt no. At best, i can imagine Undead for the latter.

[rugged hawk]

Undying and Undead just don't do it for me

[flat monolith]

Celestial or fiend might work for a fire dragon

[meager fractal]

I asked chatgpt to choose my character for me tonight and it wants me to play a battlemaster fighter/wildfire druid xd

[fossil hollow]

Well, you can scream at WOTC for not making a dragon warlock and giving Drakewarden instead

[prisma mason]

undead warlock dragonborn who used to be human but died and got resurrected by a draco lich

their ya go now your a mini dracolich

"this is my son be nice to him i literally made him with a box of scraps"

[rugged hawk]

That only counts if you were made in a cave

[prisma mason]

oh and if you do pact of the chain you can have a kobold skeleton perhaps so its like a russian nesting doll of skeletal repitillian bois

[fossil hollow]

do your dracolices not live in caves?

[prisma mason]

i feel like they probably made a place in like a old battlefied or abandoned graveyard

[meager fractal]

they prefer temples or ruins iirc

[prisma mason]

they can also be found in the realm of the raven queen i think

[fossil hollow]

Youre thinking of Shadow Dragons

[prisma mason]

ahhh

[fossil hollow]

theyre the ones who reside in the Shadowfell. Although not specifcially the RQ's section of it usually.

[prisma mason]

i forgot shadow dragons exist

the only time i ever rlly interacted with one was bg2

tho idk if that was the same

[reef tundra]

Sometimes I forget there were two Baldur’s gate games before BG3 somehow

[glossy lodge]

Guys I’m a rogue my Christmas at 8

[prisma mason]

they are very OLD

[glossy lodge]

Should I change that?

[glass granite]

Nah

[prisma mason]

everyone deserves christmas

[reef tundra]

Took me a good half minute to realise you meant charisma

Yeah, rogues don’t need it. Unless ye be the pirate subclass

[glossy lodge]

Sorry, typing issues

[reef tundra]

No problem.

[glossy lodge]

So should I change that?

[reef tundra]

It should be fine to keep it as is

[snow agate]

Only if you like convincing people of things

[prisma mason]

nah they dont need it unless you want to be charismatic

[upper lintel]

Those real digtal dnd maps are really cool .

They really need to make a new dnd mmorpg

[prisma mason]

not all rogues steal by pickpocketing and robbing you can have a scammer who sells fake potions or something or a corrupt lawyer

[limber trail]

not all rogues steal in general

[snow agate]

I do like socializing in ways that aren’t predicated on convincing people of something. It removes the responsibility from yourself for their actions and puts the ball entirely in their court, allows them free will and free decisions :p

[glossy lodge]

My abilities squad is from top to bottom 14 15 13 10 12 8

[snow agate]

And if they freely choose to be your enemies you can loot them without guilt

[upper lintel]

I meant to post in media

[glossy lodge]

Guys, I am from the UAE and I want to start DND

[snow agate]

Ok

[limber trail]

Have you added +2 to one of those stats and +1 to another? Your background or species will let you increase those stats by that much

[glossy lodge]

I think I messed up bed

I’m in bad

[limber trail]

What happened?

[glossy lodge]

I did my character sheet wrong. I am a beginner.

[hushed mason]

So redo it? 😄

[limber trail]

That's alright. Everyone gets stuff wrong

If you're playing in a campaign as a beginner usually the DM will help you with your character sheet

[winter thorn]

For a build I'm making, what feature allows you to move without triggering opportunity attacks

[glossy lodge]

Guys, I’m from the UAE. I don’t think they play DND

[valid geyser]

mobile feat in 14

[fossil hollow]

2024 or 2014?

[prisma mason]

i use osrs so i gotta teach everytime i wanna oneshot usually lol

[long crag]

Hi I’m new, haven’t played dnd in a couple years and far from an expert. Anything eventful happen in the last couple of years?

[prisma mason]

play online :>

[glossy lodge]

How do I do that?

[glass granite]

2024 rules were released

[prisma mason]

2024 changes that were pretty neat that one vecna return

[limber trail]

Rogues and Monks can disengage as bonus actions in some sense, speedy gives disadvantage on opportunity attacks (or in 2014, you don't trigger opportunity attacks when you dodge)

If you play a teleporter like archfey warlock or something similar you can teleport out of melee ranges too

[prisma mason]

well you usually have channels where you find a group who wants to play and then you join them and play in a voice call or a group chat

[long crag]

What rules changed for reference I just played a couple games with some friends using dnd beyond

[glossy lodge]

Do you have any recommendations because I don’t know any apps?

[winter thorn]

I rather not use action economy to disable opportunity attacks. For my build, I need to reliably just move without being hit.

[prisma mason]

i think its just some class changes i dont know specifics

dont fighters now get different effects for weapons now?

or is that an all ppl thing\

[dark basin]

With weapon mastery yes

[winter thorn]

All races get background feats now. So everyone gets first level feat

[limber trail]

Yeah there's not really a way to move without any action economy without prompting any opportunity attacks.

[glossy lodge]

Do you have any recommendations because I don’t know any apps?

[prisma mason]

sheeesh

[limber trail]

Speedy is your best call to give disadvantage on opportunity attacks

[prisma mason]

here! and other servers as well

[long crag]

A fighter update? That’s cool. Always wanted to try either the gunslinger or battle master.

[glossy lodge]

Does anyone want to play?

[winter thorn]

Would eagle barb work as well?

[prisma mason]

theirs a section called find a game you can use

[glossy lodge]

Thank you so much✌️

[prisma mason]

nppp

[limber trail]

Eagle barbarian would, yes, but it is still a bonus action to activate each turn (which includes the bonus action to rage)

[prisma mason]

i like bear

just resistance to most dmg no biggy

[winter thorn]

So basically, I want to trigger step of the wind, this does 1 martial die of damage to all creatures within 5ft of me and continues throughout the rest of the turn. So ideally I want to get to as many creatures as possible, and dashing includes movement speed, includes extra damage. And the only resource used is a ki point.

Yes, it's broken, yes, it's necessary for long term survival

I might be able to ask the in-game god to disable all opportunity attacks on my character.

[long crag]

I’m usually busy taking care of kids and I can’t video chat is there a kind of game that’s just go whenever I can and text based? I’m always busy but dropping a text and taking a turn is no problem

[winter thorn]

It'll cost a lot of teeth but he's generally willing

[limber trail]

I'm gonna be fully upfront, as a DM, speaking from a balance Pov, the cost to this strategy is that you take opportunity attacks. Your DM might allow it, but plenty wouldn't

[mystic shuttle]

What are the limitations of true sight?

[prisma mason]

yeah lots of ppl run games where you just type in turns

i think the term is play by post

[long crag]

That’s awesome. I’m assuming dnd beyond is mandatory

[prisma mason]

not always

some ppl like it some ppl just use character sheets either paper or pdf

[rough basalt]

it depends on the group

[fossil hollow]

It can do what it says on the tin; see the true form of shapeshifters, give you essentially darkvision, see through illusions and the invisible contition, and see into the ethereal plane

[long belfry]

Was divine smite always a spell slot I swear it was

[rough basalt]

Some groups are very trustworthy and let you have a paper or fillable sheet

[blissful quail]

I’m starting to get into terrain for my game. I’m currently making a desert town. How many buildings should I be making? This town is suppose to have 10k+, but I have 7 buildings right now and it feels weird. Any thoughts?

[rough basalt]

Others are more neutral and use ddb or other stuff for sheets so the dm can see them

[prisma mason]

i usually write the character sheet and then send them a copy while talking over their character and what they want so their not sneaking in secrets lol

[hushed mason]

Have you had a look at FantasyTownGenerator? It can generate a settlement of 10K NPCs for you. And it creates all the NPCs.

[rough basalt]

Well for one you'll run out of money and space if you wanted that big of a town physically

[fossil hollow]

always was, even in 2014 when it wasnt a spell

[blissful quail]

Is it going to be something of imagination and just moving the buildings around so it seems big?

[hushed mason]

10K people is more like a small city.

[limber trail]

So I looked more into it and, what's worth knowing about this strategy is, step of the wind doesn't require focus point to activate. You can spend a focus point to also get the benefits of the disengage action, but to activate this ability you just need to use your bonus action dash. (Which, by the way, as a part of step of the wind's bonus action dash, you can disengage for 1 focus point, which disables opportunity attacks)

[rough basalt]

Trying to Terrain out everything will just hurt your wallet and your space to store it

[grim wadi]

Also this

[rough basalt]

For towns its usually best to just do theater of the mind or have some printout town map

[winter thorn]

Wait really? I was under the impression that it was a ki point activate. Hell yeah

[limber trail]

Nope. Take a look at step of the wind, what you wanna do is built into the feature

[blissful quail]

I feel like i should use the big pieces of terrain for when it’s big battles happening on my table and having it in the background for look/scale

[hushed mason]

Here is a sharable map (something you can share with your players or even port to roll 20) for a city of 10K: https://www.fantasytowngenerator.com/public-settlements/7726db5f-d42a-4429-a930-418e60f003f7

[mystic shuttle]

I want to make a NPC character that is maybe an Assmair, and their “divine touch” trait is their eyes and they kinda like have true sight all the time non-stop but maybe more than that like they can see shifts in the weave itself

[fossil hollow]

give them the Mage Hunter's Magic Sense

or the Chuul's

[winter thorn]

So here's what I want to do, but now that's it free to do, it needs a rebalance probably, what do you think

•Red art: Your unarmed attacks deal an additional martial die of fire damage. Your step of the wind deal 1martial die of fire damage to all creatures within 5ft through the rest of the turn. If a circuit is complete, all creatures within take 2 martial die extra damage•

[limber trail]

Wait, so what is this for?

[long belfry]

What's better for paladin Crown or Glory I'm so torn lol Crown is my favorite but Glory has really good channel divinity and pretty neat support spells

[rough basalt]

Preference really

[fossil hollow]

crown

[rough basalt]

They're both solid

[reef tundra]

Follow your heart

[rough basalt]

Paladin doesn't have any bad subclasses

[crimson gulch]

Oath breaker is bad to the bone

[long belfry]

Vengeance is badass

[winter thorn]

It's a subclass homebrew that weaponizes movement and uses unarmed strikes for support

[prisma mason]

i always wanted to do a hobgoblin paladin of conquest

[reef tundra]

As in badass 😎/j

[mystic shuttle]

Interesting, thank you

[limber trail]

Okay. So, just so you know, the level 17 feature for elemental monk does this (but not even as good.). I don't know what you plan for this subclass to be but this is a strong feature, and one that already exists.

[cursive fjord]

Thought i wish there was more subclasses

[rough basalt]

WotC hears you, five more Subclasses for Cleric

[long belfry]

9 is a solid amount methinks

[cursive fjord]

Ive made a Dunamis Paladin and then one with more Doctor vibes.

[limber trail]

Destructive Stride. When you use your Step of the Wind, your Speed increases by 20 feet until the end of the turn. For that duration, any creature of your choice takes damage equal to one roll of your Martial Arts die when you enter a space within 5 feet of it. The damage type is your choice of Acid, Cold, Fire, Lightning, or Thunder. A creature can take this damage only once per turn.

Empowered Strikes. Once on each of your turns, you can deal extra damage to a target equal to one roll of your Martial Arts die when you hit it with an Unarmed Strike. The extra damage is the same type dealt by that strike.

[winter thorn]

It's a pick and choose your style subclass, may I send you the full list of features?

[limber trail]

I'm not that invested, but I would say just play an elemental monk. You can do everything you want to do from this feature in that subclass

[lapis sonnet]

would a cr 8 + a cr 2 creature beat a cr 9 creature and stalemate with a cr 10 creature or is that not how it works?

[rough basalt]

When making homebrew you wanna avoid making special features that functions exactly like something else officially provided

[long belfry]

I cleared beasthide shifter with my DM so any oath I choose will make me tanky as hell regardless

[blissful quail]

@rough basalt should physcial terrain be more for actual terrain like cliffs and hills instead of actual buildings?

[winter thorn]

It's streamlined? You can do this in fire or cold damage. Then there's a different style that lets you heal or bane a target

[fossil hollow]

not how it works

[rough basalt]

Depends on what you want, but generally you wanna get terrain you think you're gonna keep using.

[winter thorn]

You can do any two of the four

[long belfry]

Has anyone ever actually reached level 17 or higher because I think the furthest I ever got was like 12

[valid geyser]

the intent is that a fully rested party of 4 should get a medium encounter (which means very ltitle chance of death) from one monster of their level's CR
so a level 4 party should have no issue fighting a single CR 4

[fossil hollow]

theyre asking monster v monster

[rough basalt]

It's why some Terrain packs are generic slot a wall here and there stuff since unique terrain would be too much money and effort for every single scene.

[snow agate]

At that point it would be better to read the two monsters and imagine how it would go

[valid geyser]

im aware, i was gonna say that in practice what i said was kinda muddy because theres too many variables, and single monster encounters are usually super easy, so monster v monster adds like 20 more variables

[blissful quail]

I plan on making everything bc foam is really cheap but I think it would be better to leave cities alone and just imagine them since there is so much to them

[rough basalt]

Ah yeah if you're making your own go crazy, just yeah for cities do theatre of the mind.

I do a lot of maps in my online games but for cities it's just a city map and rest is theater of the mind.

[blissful quail]

Ik it would be cool to make a full city but it would take so much time and I want people to imagine what they want

[blissful quail]

I play in person

[snow agate]

You can also just use an image for an idea; IE they’re in a Dwarven hold, just slap up an image of one

[rough basalt]

Also where would you put it

[prisma mason]

i always just use theater of the mind

[rough basalt]

I can't handle theater of the mind too much so I try to do as little of it as possible

[prisma mason]

i feel like if you do mostly key locations in a city and then maybe some side areas its not so bad

[snow agate]

It can also help if on your crayon image of the city you ignore the boring things like houses and roads, and just put dots to represent PoIs so the players know where they are in relation to eachother

[prisma mason]

or things that happen inbetween travel

[elfin bison]

Where do I go for questions?

[lapis sonnet]

say theres a spirit naga (cr8) + cultists fighting a guarding naga (cr10), how powerful should the cultists be to make it a stalemate

[rough basalt]

Who are they Cultists of

[prisma mason]

here or newcomers or if its dm stuff dm discussion

[snow agate]

Idk that’s a lot of work

[blissful quail]

I’m going to focus on actual terrain like hills and such. We’re more of a combat group and with where we are right now we’re in-between 2 big factions so having a big open battle area is going to be cool

[rough basalt]

Ah wait I misresd

[elfin bison]

I feel like I know your pfp, anyways, thanks!

[snow agate]

Pls don’t forget weather

[blissful quail]

And I feel like it would be worth getting more minis than spending money on stuff for terrain

[elfin bison]

So, I'm making a warlock character, but instead of with a demon or something my patron is a god

Is there a friendly way I can give my high elf warlock and appearance that includes wings?
Even if they don't function

[blissful quail]

I plan on making hills and other stuff for different climate areas (tundra, grassland, water, desert)

[snow agate]

Yeah I read that the first time

[lapis sonnet]

maybe have them tatted on?

not sure if thats what ur looking for tho

[reef tundra]

There is! Flavour is free, you can just ask your DM if you can have flightless wings. Or you can ask to reflavour the fly spell as making the wings be able to actually fly temporarily

[snow agate]

Or you could be an aasimar

[reef tundra]

That too

[elfin bison]

Oeee, that's a good idea

I was planning to make them from cardboard and then use disguise self to make it look like wings

[elfin bison]

Is that a species?

[prisma mason]

divine soul sorcerer is very good for like divine gods but it also depends on the type of god

[rough basalt]

Yeah they're people "touched" by an Upper Planes entity.

[mystic shuttle]

Are there any possible concerns/ways for players being able to steal a body or possesses a dead one that makes it so I shouldn’t make a NPC have crazy powers?

[snow agate]

Yes

[elfin bison]

Well about that

My patron is the DM

[prisma mason]

oh mb warlock

whats the light warlock

[rough basalt]

Basically some energy from an upper planes entity makes a Humanoid person into an angel-lite type of person

[snow agate]

Why is an npc having crazy powers…? Its just a dead body being stolen

[reef tundra]

Celestial

[prisma mason]

thank youu

[reef tundra]

Not from what I know

[rough basalt]

That can be from a deal made

[reef tundra]

I've made godly characters, and it's never backfired

[rough basalt]

Or your ancestor and a celestial loved each other very much

[prisma mason]

my one character i have made is djinn warlock genasi whos parents are her patron

[rough basalt]

Which is something that happens in Forgotten Realms for example.
God's will get bored and go rizz their followers.

[prisma mason]

"dont forget your lunch when going into the dungeon you might get hungry" as a sandwich plops out of the lamp

[reef tundra]

Let's say there's a reason I like fiend warlock

[prisma mason]

or you can be a freak like bhaal

[mystic shuttle]

It has crazy powers for story reasons, if I actually even use it, and isn’t mechanically balanced at all and whole purpose is just “the literal strongest guy ever just got killed by the villain, and the villain is still getting stronger”

[reef tundra]

Graz'zt has been busy

[elfin bison]

I'll just ask my DM if I'm allowed to add wings to the design, and otherwise I'll have to use a spell slot for disguise self everytime I wanna be cool

[snow agate]

Ok you’re not explaining this. How is this related to the dead body the pcs are stealing

[rough basalt]

Bhaal being a freak is an understatement

[prisma mason]

warlocks can cast disguise for free from a invocation

[marble lion]

bhaal breaks this discords rules

[reef tundra]

you can also take an invocation that lets you cast levitation at will, you can just reflavour that to wings

[rough basalt]

Bhaals also a bit of a clown

[elfin bison]

They can? Lemme look into this IMMEDIATELY

[reef tundra]

I absolutely agree

[elfin bison]

I'm playing 2014 ruleset btw

[mystic shuttle]

Super overpowered NPC is going to die. I don’t want the players to be able to body swap into that body or whatever and gain the powers of it even if they’d be nerfed from its full power

[prisma mason]

mask of many faces

[reef tundra]

Dw nothing like that is possible

[prisma mason]

and its AT WILL

[reef tundra]

They can

[rough basalt]

Imagine being a God of Murder, an Assassin, and you get early 2000s YouTube montaged clipped by some random dude named Cyric.

[reef tundra]

Yup. The reason why warlock is my favourite caster

[elfin bison]

Omg need

Lemme read into the specifics of the spell rq

[snow agate]

Ok well A: they can’t because a spell like that doesn’t exist
B: I thought they were just digging up a corpse because your initial question sounded like that. I was gonna recommend a wheelbarrow

[reef tundra]

Cyric, my man

[rough basalt]

All Bhaal heard was 30 seconds to Mars playing then his head got taken off

[prisma mason]

pretty sure thats all it says "You can cast disguise self at will, without expending a spell slot."

[rough basalt]

By a level 10 human iirc

[prisma mason]

so just as much as you want

you could literally change mid convo and be a constantly morphing mass

[elfin bison]

Oh hey, opening my character editor on DND beyond shows I already had that

Which is odd, on the pdf sheet it looked like it cost a slot

[elfin bison]

I would totally mess with people by changing my nose slightly each time they look away

[prisma mason]

freckles on and off everytime you lookaway

[snow agate]

“Dm do I have to party with the skinwalker”

[elfin bison]

I also have mage Armor without it taking a spell slot, but I'm debating if I wanna change that

[prisma mason]

its worth

[marble lion]

"DM this is clearly a skinwalker"
"you failed insight. now dance"

[snow agate]

As a warlock it’s generally not worth it since you can use studded leather and it’s only a 1 AC difference , you’d be better off using something else

[marble lion]

reddit horror stories here we come

[prisma mason]

trueee armour works too

[elfin bison]

I once played a warlock and the DM allowed me to give my team an advantage cuz I rolled a nat20 so my breakdancing was so inspirational that they became buffed

[long belfry]

I don't think I'd ever play a full caster as long as paladin is on the table but if paladin was off the table I'd probably pick sorcerer

[elfin bison]

Okayyy

Plus you can only use it when not wearing armour, which I already am

[long belfry]

Is ranger fun it's the only other half caster I know of

[elfin bison]

My characters lore is that I'm a warlock who made a deal with a god that I would receive power, and in return I would devote my life to worshipping them and spreading the word

[snow agate]

this sounds like a cleric ngl

[elfin bison]

I love ranger, used to be my go-to

[elfin bison]

I like the functionality of a warlock more lol

[snow agate]

Understandable

[elfin bison]

Plus the DM is in on it, so it's fine

The DM recently slipped out that we'd be getting a dragon first session, so that's also something I'm excited for

They immediately deleted the message and I'm gonna pretend I never knew

Oee, I could trade mage Armor out for fiendish vigor

Free healing at will?

[marble lion]

getting a dragon first session sounds like if done right really cool premise for a campaign

or sign of a very not thought-out DMing style

[hushed mason]

We had a dragon the first session of my campaign, I think. I pseudodragon 🙂

[rugged hawk]

Dragon first session is just prequel for the real adventurers who march forth to end the dragon's reign of terror and piles of corpses it leaves behind.

[elfin bison]

They seem very confident that their story is very expansive and such, so I hope it's cool

[snow agate]

Every dm is confident

[elfin bison]

Though they're a gacha game player, it can always be a magical Chinese dragon that is somehow bonded to an NPC

[snow agate]

overconfidence is a slow, insidious killer

[rugged hawk]

Okay, see, I hear what you're saying. Counterpoint, fanfics are often full of tales their writers think are great..... but most people aren't actually too skilled at the whole 'thinking' thing.

[snow agate]

It’ll probably be a dragon anime girl

[elfin bison]

Lmao totally

[marble lion]

i wonder if it will be FR lore and what colour it will be

[elfin bison]

I too write, I just suck at DM'ing

I have a whole world with lots of lore and multiple countries, economies, etc.

I just don't know how DM'ing works and I'm scared to try

[marble lion]

its honestly not that complex imo
the only hard part is the writing and balancing encounters

because when you really dumb it down, DMing just means you are playing DnD but as more than 1 character

and have more power like changing weather

mechanically, it is mostly just running 100 player characters at the same time, but theyre all way easier, and you usually only need to consider a handful for any given scene

[hushed mason]

That's an over-simplification of it. You're also responsible for prepping all the maps. Herding cats (players). Running everything that isn't an encounter...

[rough basalt]

And encounter balance is a skill you develop over time.

[marble lion]

running everything?
like individuals doing things?

maps are a good point though

[rough basalt]

And it's a hard skill cause it depends on the players

[hushed mason]

It takes time to deal with maps and tokens for all the NPCs.

[marble lion]

and yes the whole point was a brutally simplistic approximation of it

[elfin bison]

Knowing how to advice players in when to roll what, knowing to improvise when they somehow manage to avoid the obvious path you laid out

[marble lion]

but as the persons statement was "i dont know how to DM"

[rough basalt]

Cause smart players who make good characters you'll need to make combat harder than normal to challenge them

[hushed mason]

Yes, you need to know the rules well. You need to be able to mediate disputes.

[marble lion]

i focussed on how it goes

[rough basalt]

But not smart players who make bad PCs will get tpkd by medium encounters

[marble lion]

any of that is not something you need to know though

thats just "be good at it". nothing to understand there

[elfin bison]

My current team has a fighter, a cleric, a bard and me, the warlock

[rough basalt]

Cause the encounter balance rules assume the players have made competent adventurers

[marble lion]

when people think they dont know how DMing works, i feel like theyre imagining a whole parallel game running that players never see with new rules and all

but its really still dnd. if youve played a single player character once, you technically know how to DM
except combat balancing

[elfin bison]

The fighter has never made a character before, so I hope that goes well

[marble lion]

you probably wont do too well because youll be overwhelmed by organisation and improv but you know how

[snow agate]

So imagine you’re playing make believe as a 5 year old.

Now imagine make believe has rules.
That’s it, that’s all the difference really is, if you can play make believe you can play dnd

[long belfry]

My DM wants me to create 3 npcs lol we haven't done session zero yet it's this Sunday so I might do it then because I have never ever given a character a backstory let alone like active relationships

[hushed mason]

TBF, DMing an old ruleset is a tad more complicated. Fifth edition tried to make the DM job easier.

[elfin bison]

Tbh, there's only 2 things I'm scared about for DM'ing

1. Knowing the rules and functionality for stuff

2. How to make combat enjoyable

[marble lion]

1 is learnt very quickly i think

[rough basalt]

Combat enjoyable is an awkward one

[snow agate]

Mentor, rival, best friend, relative

[marble lion]

2 is hard and subjective and noone ever fully masters this i think

[rough basalt]

Yeah even the best DMs have made bad combats

[marble lion]

not necessarily bad, i just meant not perfect

[snow agate]

1. Read the book
2. Be a player and think about what you enjoy

[elfin bison]

Last time I was a DM I thought 3 super simple enemies would be fine

I had to give one of them a heart attack due to how useless the party was

[marble lion]

simple doesnt mean easy

[rugged hawk]

Nonsense, there's no combat a Tarrasque can't make perfect

[long belfry]

I don't know how to set proficiency bonuses because I don't know what I'll actually be asked to roll for lol

[rough basalt]

Yeah encounter balance is very hard

[marble lion]

did they have 300 hit points and your party was level 2?

[rough basalt]

Cause the rules assume the adventurers are competent as well as the players

[marble lion]

watch youtube videos on skill checks if you dont know yet

[elfin bison]

Party was level one I think, it was just some plain old things on the road

[marble lion]

do you remember what it was?

you do also have to know that level 1 combat is famous for suddenly being very dangerous

[elfin bison]

Then some sessions later I throw a boss battle at them and they were still level 1, yet somehow they killed it so easily that I thought I was doing something wrong

[marble lion]

the players are so low in hit points at that level that even a harmless encounter can turn deadly with a crit here and a miss there

[elfin bison]

Probably a goblin or some shit

[marble lion]

did you play phandelver?

[rugged hawk]

Wizard dies of 1d4 leveling up damage

[marble lion]

if it is phandelver, the module specifies that the goblins might win

[rough basalt]

Yeah and they don't kill the players

[marble lion]

if that happens, the players get knocked out and robbed, not killed as an option because the writers know level 1 can go wrong

[elfin bison]

I used the holy power of being a writer who thinks homebrew is the only way to go

I just used a very standard easy-lookinh sheet for the enemies that I got from google

[rough basalt]

Ah in that case if it was one goblin then there was something wrong on the players side of the table probably

Or just the worst luck imaginable

[elfin bison]

They were doing miserable in terms of doing damage

Which made the combat take aaaaaages

[marble lion]

did they perhaps not know to add their ability score to the damage rolls?

or some other new comer mistake

[rough basalt]

Yeah cause if they were hitting even with 1 damage roll they would've killed it before it killed them

[elfin bison]

It's been years, so I'm not sure, but could probably be it

[rough basalt]

Cause a goblin only has 7hp

[elfin bison]

Yeah idk, 3 goblins shouldn't have taken them that long

[rough basalt]

3 vs a level 1 party of how many?

[elfin bison]

Cuz I'm pretty sure we had gone through 3 whole circles of combat

[rough basalt]

Was that without a long rest?

[marble lion]

it was their first encounter i believe

[elfin bison]

Lemme count

2 druids
1 tiefling
1 warrior or something
And I think also a mage

[marble lion]

did i just infer that? my bad

[rough basalt]

Aight yeah a party of 5 shouldn't have died to 3 goblins

[elfin bison]

First encounter, they left their home city and on the road they found it

[rough basalt]

Without some serious crap luck or newcomer mistakes

[marble lion]

maybe they tried to negotiate midcombat too much or something

[elfin bison]

Also, they didn't die, they simply took so long that it became agonizing

I took more damage than the goblins

[rough basalt]

Even then definitely was forgetting some key things on their end

[supple skiff]

power gamed a lil too close to the sun and made a cleric that can eldritch blast at 240ft

[elfin bison]

Now do it with advantage

[supple skiff]

im actually so excited

[rough basalt]

Yeah if you wanna have combat as a DM you gotta have people who learn how to play the game.

[fossil hollow]

Cant a solo lock just get 300 ft with a EB?

[elfin bison]

But look, even if I wanted to DM, I'm too scared of disappointing the players like I did back then, and I don't know if I could risk it

[rough basalt]

I mean sounds like it was their fault so

[supple skiff]

shes also like nade to be more street smart and kinda book dumb, (7int) but proficiency in insight and sleight of hand

[rough basalt]

That happens as a DM. Sometimes players deal with the consequences of their actions in or out of game.

[elfin bison]

Half of the party had never played before, I should've taken responsibility to notice and ask them if they were forgetting certain stats or such

[rough basalt]

Sure but you're not infallible

[marble lion]

firsttimes are not the besttimes

[fossil hollow]

where space

[elfin bison]

I'm the kinda person that with everything I do, if it's not near perfect, it's not good enough at all

[remote wadi]

That is reality for a DM. Not everything actually works out the way you planned it to

What matters is that you try your best and, while trying to avoid mistakes, also welcome and learn from them

[marble lion]

i cut spaces out of words when trying to make them into figures of such a sentence

[prisma mason]

On the spot improv is my favorite parts of dming

[elfin bison]

Hey, benefit is that my storytelling was good!

They asked for a break because I was getting too spooky

[rough basalt]

Well being a perfectionist as a DM will only lead to burnout so might be best if you don't DM, or try to find a way to curb your expectations.

[prisma mason]

I had two pcs fend off a hydra by chucking goblins into its mouth to the point it got full for example

[elfin bison]

They say my perfectionism is a problem 💔

They tell me to curb my... Expectations 😔

[rough basalt]

As a DM it will be

DnD has way too many factors in play to expect a perfect outcome at all times.

[elfin bison]

I once played and one party member almost died first session cuz our dwarf pushed them down a very long flight of stairs

[prisma mason]

Lol why the hell

[hushed mason]

That's not very nice.

[rough basalt]

Player ability, character ability, how people are feeling that day, and the most important part being just luck.

[elfin bison]

They were playfighting and the dwarf pushed a little too hard

[remote wadi]

Something else to consider about this

If I was a DM, mistakes will happen and I may just like them. If I overlooked something small that my players took note on and planned around it, it's pretty similar to a player taking a spell or feat to deal with enemies that gave the party problems.
That's to say... they're paying attention and are invested in the story

That, to me, is a great victory in of tself

[elfin bison]

I try to make the characters I make easy to play so I can enjoy the lore aspect of it all more

[elfin bison]

I once changed an entire puzzle cuz I liked the solution the players came up with way more than my own so it'd be way more fun for them if their way was correct

[remote wadi]

This could technically be considered Kung Fu Panda 1 or 4, if you think about it...

[rough basalt]

I once made two npcs married cause players joked about 1 being the wife of another

[remote wadi]

You get the idea, I hope. Mistakes will be made, but an even worse outcome is if you never enjoyed or learned from them

So I really do agree with Sora here that curbing the perfectionism would be a good step in the right direction

[elfin bison]

If I want it to be perfect, I won't be scared of change, as change is just a way to make it even better!

[remote wadi]

Yep

Good luck with it, though. Change is not easy, but it is the best thing to do in times like this

[elfin bison]

I mean I'm not even THAT keen on it being perfect, I just really wanna avoid the very uncomfortable moments like that combat session

[elfin bison]

I've always been good with change, unless we talking money

[remote wadi]

I want to hear about that, but it may clog-

Ugh, I gotta get a new shirt from that, I was taking a drink when reading that other comment...

...anyways, care to DM me about the combat?

[elfin bison]

Sure!

[stray atlas]

Random thought, could a strong enough sorcerer be a warlock's patron?

[fossil hollow]

Depends on the DM

[elfin bison]

Make a world where warlock's can be eavhothers' patrons /j

[stray atlas]

Pyramid scheme

[flat monolith]

2014 dmg suggests wizards as warlock patrons as an idea for custom subclasses or flavouring

[atomic kayak]

hypothetically? yea sure.

[limber trail]

There’s an upcoming warlock subclass which is based on sorcerer kings being their patrons

[atomic kayak]

A powerful enough anybody could be a warlock patron really

[rough basalt]

The Sorcerer-Kings is more of a title, but yeah it works that way

[elfin bison]

I want a squirrel to be my patron, I'll use talk to animals to ask him

[fossil hollow]

Archfey, make it Ratatoskr

[rough basalt]

They're all Mages

[timid current]

You'll need to check the AL channels for ratatoskr

[fossil hollow]

not that Ratatoskr

[stray atlas]

I wonder if a mind flayer would be willing to be a warlock's patron

[timid current]

Any other is lesser

[rough basalt]

I don't think a regular mind flayer could be a patron

[stray atlas]

Er actually what's the name of the middle stage thing between a standard flayer and an elder brain?

[fossil hollow]

none

[rough basalt]

Ulitharid(?)

[fossil hollow]

I feel like those are rivals to elder brains

[stray atlas]

Yeah those

[rough basalt]

Kinda, enough for Elder Brains to find them threatening

Since regular Flayers will follow them

[stray atlas]

I thought they were like the nobles of a colony?

[rough basalt]

Nah they're their own thing, but they are given special treatment

[stray atlas]

And also had the potential to become elder brains

[fossil hollow]

which is why theyre rivals to the elderbrain

proving my point there

[rough basalt]

I don't think they can become elder brains

But they can lead a colony like one.

Majority of regular Illithids will follow an Ulitharid

[stray atlas]

Now I'm curious about a psionic warlock

[fossil hollow]

GOOlock exists

[rough basalt]

Great Old One

[stray atlas]

Gonna have to research this some day

[fossil hollow]

already exists

[rough basalt]

Aberrant Mind Sorc would be the closet thing to a character tied to Illithids specifically

As one of their example origins is a tadpole didn't work, but you got psionic abilities and eventually gain illithid-like features

[prime pewter]

Anyone wanna hear the tea from my dnd session earlier today?

[mystic shuttle]

Sure

[prime pewter]

Okay so not too much happened with my character in the beginning of the session (was bitten by a werewolf so couldn't do much). But after a bit, I got cured. And uh my Patron may be getting replaced by a lord of decay

Its so cool! So I'm going from hexblade (annis hag as a patron) to Undead!

[mystic shuttle]

We are supposed to just block accounts that send us friend requests out of no where right? I’ve gotten three of them in the last four days and one came off very suspicious and the others i haven’t talked to

[timid current]

Congrats, you got both curses removed! (Lycanthropy and generic subclass!)

[prime pewter]

Truly a joyous day

[timid current]

Welcome to a whole new world of enjoying new things

[prime pewter]

Also i should probably mention how the dm handled it! I had an iron token from my previous patron, but when I tried to talk to her (the old patron) through it, there was nothing at all on the other side

[idle oar]

Yeah don’t accept unexpected friend requests, feel free to report them to Discord and block.

[prime pewter]

So basically... my characters patron may have gotten usurped... it's really cool !

[prime pewter]

The dm described it as it being cold and empty on the other end, and that my character could feel my magic change

I had actually asked for a change of Patron (Hexblade warlocks spell list, especially in t1, is super boring imo)

[drifting kernel]

Hello! I hope everyone is well in here <3

[prime pewter]

I am!

[drifting kernel]

Yay!

I would really like to learn more about DnD if anyone is willing to teach me, or just talk I'm chillin!

[tidal bough]

Mind if I dm you?

[drifting kernel]

Go ahead! Thank you for asking <3

[tidal bough]

Ezpz

[onyx imp]

questoin, i made my player app things in the looking for dm's chat how do dms reach out to me as my app would be burried

[scenic compass]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[onyx imp]

that sucks

[marble lion]

does it not specify how often it can be reposted?

[onyx imp]

idk im new here and i dont really understand the bot

[marble lion]

its at the very top of the find-a-game channel in the rules listed

"Users may post once per week per channel."
you can repost every week so while it will be buried a little bit, thats just how it is
also dont underestimate how far people scroll in there to find the right game for them

[onyx imp]

got it

[marble lion]

when i searched for games to join i think i scrolled up 3 weeks

[onyx imp]

thanks for your advice

[drifting kernel]

Would anyone like to talk about their characters and stuff? c: I'm honestly sitting in an empty office losing my marbles.

[mystic shuttle]

I think the micro plastics unironically are starting to get to me

[drifting kernel]

OMG FELT

[mystic shuttle]

My brain just feels, so empty, so foggy. I’m so out of it. I’m honestly really scared

[long belfry]

I've decided because of the blurb for my campaign setting my shifter is going to be the result of a magic accident that cursed a bloodline lol I made a sick ass were-crocodile but I can't draw

I asked is there any animal off the table and the answer was no so I juggled a couple I thought about honey badger and I thought moose would be neat but lizards won because lizards are the most badass animal in real life also

[mystic shuttle]

I can’t tell if it’s been like that all day or if it only just started a few hours ago when I started complaining about my head just “feeling weird”

[long belfry]

I'm playing in person with a bunch of people I don't know so it's kind of a leap of faith

[mystic shuttle]

I hope all goes well

[bitter kraken]

What was your guy's longest ever break to happen and then come back to the same campaign?

[mystic shuttle]

A month maybe?

[rough basalt]

2 and a half months

[long belfry]

Never :( when it breaks up it's gone

[mystic shuttle]

Real

[drifting kernel]

Are you okay? ;-;

[bitter kraken]

I'm the DM so at least I have the power there, though now I'm missing a voice...

[minor cargo]

I think about 3 months? Last year we took all of December off, then couldn’t get together in January (travelling for work), and then I was overseas for most of February to March. So yeah 3, closing on 4 months.

[mystic shuttle]

I don’t know. I’m afraid probably not to be completely honest. I like, can’t think

[humble cairn]

Maybe log off and speak to a doctor?

[drifting kernel]

I agree with Ophidimancer!

[humble cairn]

Or speak to someone in your life who can help you contact a doctor?

[drifting kernel]

There's a non-emergency line for questions relating to medical situations, but if you don't know of one I think an emergency line is still important to call.

[drifting kernel]

I hope you'll be okay. ;-;

[coarse ravine]

I mean i personally like undead

That extra necrotic damage at level 6 is really nice when enemies aren't immune or resistant

Generic would be hexblade as they removed it gotcha

[marble lion]

2 years if not for that one session in the middle. so 1 year

[jovial shadow]

I had one invite me to send a friend request to their DM for a game. I I did and now I don't know if it was legit or not.

[craggy cairn]

Undead warlock was made for curse of Strahd

I absolutely love it

[keen valve]

About a year and seven months.

[crimson gulch]

3 weeks,

[keen valve]

I also have a question for the server. How do we feel about Balors? Are they cool? Hip with the kids?
(Is it still cool to be a Balor, or is it old news?)

[marble lion]

i dont think simply befriending someone on discord endangers you

have they never talked in here? seems weird

[sleek cloud]

What is a Balor

[frail wasp]

a miserable pile of secrets.....?

[sleek cloud]

No that’s a man

And props to you for that reference though

[coarse ravine]

A demon or devil

Demon

[keen valve]

Woah, they're not miserable. They're kinda cool.

[keen valve]

Big Fire Man is about the gist.

[hollow estuary]

The 3 cloud giants 240 feet in the air making two attacks with 11 to hit and automatically incapacitate people on a hit be like:

[coarse ravine]

Yeah theres that storm giant quintessa or however ya spell her name

She auto hits

[hollow estuary]

naw, just regular 2024 cloud giants can do that

they can fly and have a attack called thundercloud which has a +11 to hit, on a hit it deals damage and incapacitates you.

[coarse ravine]

Im saying stom giant quintezza she is weaker then a normal storm giant but she auto hits

[hollow estuary]

ohhh

[coarse ravine]

To be fair she is cr 16

She can make 2 javelin attacks
Wind Javelin. The giant coalesces wind into a javelin-like form and hurls it at a creature it can see within 600 feet of it. The javelin deals 19 (3d6 + 9) force damage to the target, striking unerringly. The javelin disappears after it hits.

[rough basalt]

I love cloud giants

If players don't wanna get incapped then they shouldn't get hit

[hollow estuary]

so real

[coarse ravine]

So from 600 feet away... she can prolly get like at least 5-6 rounds in if they dont teleport

[hollow estuary]

Ong just have like 5 hill giants just floating 300 feet above the party and just using two thunder clouds on each of their turns.

[coarse ravine]

Auto hits thats like 30d6 +45

She's gnarly.....

[rough basalt]

Easy fix
Everyone uses the Blur spell or has enspelled armor of blur

Or a Cloak of Displacement

[hollow estuary]

the +11 to hit reading this (it dosent care)

also they would already have disadvantagcuz long range.

[rough basalt]

If you still get hit you had it coming tbh

Whyd you pick a fight with cloud giants after all

[hollow estuary]

Honestly I dont know why you would

their neutral.

[rough basalt]

Also it's a +12 so even better

[hollow estuary]

oh your right

[rough basalt]

If they're being tyrannical towards some mortals or something maybe

Lot of cloud giants are just uppity, but some take it further and basically act like corrupt nobles stealing from their "lessers" or in their words probably something that makes them not look bad.

[jovial shadow]

I've never heard of any Cloud Giants stealing from humans. Is that a module or a homebrew you referring to?

[coarse ravine]

I mean other giants are definitely evil. Idk about cloud tho i guess their nuetral

Eh... alot of em say nuetral

So they can be evil and good.....

[rough basalt]

2024 Cloud Giant entry says some see themselves as gods who steal from terrestrial beings with impunity

[chilly narwhal]

I’m back

[rough basalt]

Which makes sense

[chilly narwhal]

I wanna do a pbp campaign, but I don’t wanna be the dm, as I don’t know how to be

[rough basalt]

All giants kinda have a "I'm bigger and better" mindset but Clouds are also airborne which means they get a unique perspective of the world compared to most material plane sapient beings

[chilly narwhal]

I have a Goliath rune knight

[rough basalt]

Dragons are probably the only ones who could relate

[chilly narwhal]

Maybe I should just go to sleep

[jovial shadow]

Fire Giants have always been Evil and Storm Giants have always been good since AD&D. Which I always found odd because Thor would still kill any Storm Giant on sight (per AD&D 's Deities and Demigods book)

[fossil hollow]

As an Aesir, his rivalry and relation with the giants far supersedes whatever morals they have. Plus, Thor isnt the most moral person

[minor cargo]

I could fix them.

[keen valve]

Anyone can be evil if you give them reason, cause, or justify it as being not evil. Or on a whim.

[fossil hollow]

Yeah. Its also worth noting that giants are just like any sapient being; theyre people, and are able to chose their own path and actions

[jovial shadow]

I disagree that giants are people in any sense

Maybe you mean sentient?

[fossil hollow]

No, i mean Sapient.

Theyre one of the oldest races/species in almost every setting.

Theyre the ones with the ancient civilizations, the ones who tended and took the worlds as their own home

Theyre not alignment locked either. They can be as good, indifferent, or evil as they wish

[lavish flame]

sentient is when stuff can feel and react to things. sapient is when stuff can think on a higher level (hence "Homo Sapien"). generally, Giants are thinkers like Humans and Dwarves and Orcs, and are generally on a higher level than animals and select monsters.

[minor cargo]

How could they be evil? Their hearts are so big! 💖

[keen valve]

Even if they were, you can also bash a lock open. Or contact McNally on how to get it open.

[fossil hollow]

id go as far to say Giants are the first people of most settings

[fossil hollow]

dont need to, to open an alignment lock, you use alignment

[lavish flame]

In my own personal setting, they're the dominent being before Humans, them and Dinosaurs. Just feels like Giants and Dinos goes together.

[fossil hollow]

Bigby has a lot of art of dinos and giants living together 💖

only make sense the biggest of people use the biggest of livestock

[lavish flame]

plus mounts. a brachiosaurus is a viable mount for a Huge sized Giant

[old sluice]

Yeah but isn't the brachiosaurus slower than the giant?

[fossil hollow]

donkeys are generally slower than us

[ashen spear]

Yo where can i find a dm and a player group

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[lavish flame]

theres no stats for a brachio in 5e i dont think. I'm just saying that riding an animal is generally better than not riding an animal.

[fossil hollow]

Nah, we do, its Brontosaurus

[lavish flame]

ohhhh, what am I thinking of?

[fossil hollow]

30 ft, but i doubt a giant is using it to go somewhere faster. Its more likely a pack animal

[old sluice]

Tell that to my monk. Faster and more enduring than any horse

[fossil hollow]

I can imagine a Hill giant herding a herd of Brontosauruses to carry his food supplies

[lavish flame]

get them a pegasus trust

[jovial shadow]

I don't agree that they are people at all. They are monsters. Whether or not a Fire Giant cub can be raised to be good is likely a DM's call. Off the top of my head I can't think of any lore or modules where this happened.

[fossil hollow]

Theyre monsters the same way a Human Gladiator or an friendly NPC is a monster

[jovial shadow]

Semantics.

[fossil hollow]

Controlled by the DM

[ashen spear]

Yo can anyone give me a link for a campaign in dnd beyond

[fossil hollow]

in anycase, you def want to look at more recent modules, theres been a lot of that

[lavish flame]

i dont think "can be good" is the requirement for "is a person" tbh

[fossil hollow]

Thay wizards are evil but still people. Even if they act like monsters from a moral standpoint

[jovial shadow]

I'd rather you not give me emoticons, if you disagree then say so.

[humble cairn]

They have language and culture and everything else that we all basically agree are marks of being people.

[fossil hollow]

same result either way

[humble cairn]

There's nothing about giants that you could point to and say "that makes them a monster" that you couldn't also say about humans.

[keen valve]

They're not people because people refers specifically to humans iirc. Same for elves, orcs, dwarves, etc.

[jovial shadow]

Exactly Val

[fossil hollow]

now thats semantics

[jovial shadow]

No what you are saying is semantics

[lavish flame]

we're just using different definitions of "people" then. that feels wildly limiting given the other species

[keen valve]

I am going to be a writing major, so pedantics is supposed to be my thing.

But also: If you give me a fancy hat though, I can pass off as a human.

[hollow estuary]

Tarrasques cant be cheesed at low levels without magic items.

People forget that you dont have infinite arrows in your quiver.

Tarrasque is immune to magic attack rolls (so no firebolt)

[jovial shadow]

Again with the Emoticons smh

[humble cairn]

Oh so we're going with only humans being people, and elves and dwarves are not people? Ok, maybe that has some semantic validity, but it contradicts even what the developers and writers say about things. Elves and dwarves are considered people for the purposes of D&D settings.

[keen valve]

Yeah, I was just talking about the actual def. Whatever it is in a dnd setting can be different.

[old sluice]

Oh no they're not monsters. Monster is not a category diegetically.

[jovial shadow]

A Tarrasque probably only obeys Gaea

[humble cairn]

It is part of the way people speak on Discord. Have you not been using Discord very long?

[lavish flame]

its been "if playable, then person/people" for a while now

so like... "Humans are the only people" is buckwild

[old sluice]

What does it even mean "a person" vs "not a person"?

[hollow estuary]

Kalashtar are abberations.

so they arent people

[old sluice]

That they have agency? Everyone has agency, even animals.

[humble cairn]

Even in real life, that definition can be challenged. We have not yet comonly accepted any non-humans for personhood, but that doesn't mean the concept doesn't exist. I'm actually pretty sure octopi are people.

[hushed mason]

It's part of how the human race communicates in 2025. We have a shared, cross-cultural alphabet of symbols. Deal with it. 🧐 🙄

[rough basalt]

Creature type doesn't equal whether they can be considered people.

[jovial shadow]

Gaea, who is also mother of Monsters probably morphed into Lillith somewhere along history. Hm

[hollow estuary]

Person = Humanoid.

Hold person only affects humanoids.

Charm person only affects humanoids.

If sentient and humanoid thats a person

[fossil hollow]

I dont recall that being the case with Tarrasques for a while

[humble cairn]

Are you talking about the Greek Titan Gaia?

[old sluice]

Oh yeah then sure, giants are not humanoids.

[rough basalt]

That's more of just the spell keeping a wrong term because it's been called that for a long time

[minor cargo]

(We’re so close to someone holding up a plucked chicken aka a man.)

[hollow estuary]

yuuuup

[keen valve]

I hope octopi eventually are intelligent enough to be recognized as sapient so as to play D&D with me.

[rough basalt]

It should be hold humanoid

[hushed mason]

Gaia pre-dates the titans.

[old sluice]

Actually Lilith was basically invented in the twelth century from... Essentially nothing

[hushed mason]

According to Hesiod, she is one of the four creatures present at creation: Khaos, Gaea, Eros, and Tartarus.

[lavish flame]

are you talking about Gaea from Greek Mythology, or is this Gaea as in Gaea from World of Warcraft, Lich King?

[humble cairn]

Whether we recognize it or not, I think it's probably true. I have an existential crisis about eating octopus every once in awhile.

[lavish flame]

cuz "Lich King" is leading me to believe you're talking about WoW lore

[hushed mason]

I'm talking about Hesiod's Theogony. 🙂

[keen valve]

I don't touch anything with tentacles for that reason. I'm not eating future sapients.

[jovial shadow]

Greek Myth. I've never played WoW

[fossil hollow]

While the Olympians are present in DnD lore, they aren't fully tied to the tarrasques last i checked

[keen valve]

(Totally not eating them bc I'm an illithid.)

[fossil hollow]

they are also not the same as they are in what our myriad of renditions on Earth are

[humble cairn]

Yes, I do deal with it. I think this reply may not have been meant for me?

[hushed mason]

It wasn't. I twas meant for the person you were responding to. Oops.

[glass granite]

The rooster nugget is here

[fossil hollow]

behold, a man

[hushed mason]

No, Nugget is out in the chicken house. It's dark out.

[fossil hollow]

plucks you clean

[hushed mason]

Alouette!

[old sluice]

Anyways the interesting thing is that the term "people/person" here becomes equivalent to... "moral worth" I suppose

[rough basalt]

I call it a person if it has feelings, free will, culture, society.

[lyric idol]

I cant help but think of the intelligent dinosaurs from Invincible. "Egad, it speaks!"

[rough basalt]

Hold Person is just a very old spell they won't change the name of, not just only that humanoids are people.

[lavish flame]

i really think we're just attributing "behaves like a Human does" to be "like a person". so like, when things make cultures and societies and have agriculture and domesticated animals, we call that "a person/people"

[fossil hollow]

Its the same reason why Protection from Good and Evil has that name while it does not interact with alignment

[lyric idol]

If we're being honest Hold Humanoid just doesnt have the same ring.

[fossil hollow]

It seriously should be renamed Protection from Otherworldly

[rough basalt]

And it's not as if Hold Monster doesn't work on Humanoids, it works on everything (in 2024, 2014 HM Undead are immune)

[old sluice]

I don't really believe in free will. It's a religious concept that only makes sense within the confines of its religion. Feelings is just sentience. Culture and society is interesting. It would mean that those wild children who were sometimes found in the 19th century after being abandoned in the woods as toddlers are not people despite being human.

[humble cairn]

Yes, because we lack any other way to define it.

[hushed mason]

So people are monsters; but not all monsters are people.

[fossil hollow]

Ok, now we're threading dangerously on server rules

[old sluice]

I go by the rule of "a monster is a thing that does not exist, if it's real it's not a monster"

[lyric idol]

It doesnt need to interact with alignment because it protects from good, and it protects from evil. Alas its called Protection from Good and Evil.

[fossil hollow]

it was called that because it worked with alignment in older editions

[lavish flame]

yeah im not tryna say anything about how we're defining it, just that this definition feels natural to me.

[rough basalt]

Yeah some spells only keep their names due to being old spells

[lyric idol]

Yeah but 5e is disappointing like that

[fossil hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old sluice]

Indeed. Protection from good and evil also affects true neutral fey

It could have been renamed... Protection from Outsiders? Protection from Extraplanars? No it also works on undead.

[rough basalt]

Protection from Unnatural?

[fossil hollow]

Hence why i offered Otherworldly

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah otherwordly

[old sluice]

Protection against the unnatural? Eh... That would get into the complicated matter of defining nature

[lavish flame]

yeah fantasy nature is weird

[old sluice]

Otherworldly does work better but it's a relational statement. A humanoid is otherwordly in the elemental planes

[fossil hollow]

Well, since its supposedly made by humanoids, for protection against extraplanar and undead...

[old sluice]

Even in real life. What constitutes nature and what is excluded from it is basically impossible to define

[lyric idol]

Protection from the Divine, Unholy and Unnatural

[jovial shadow]

wrong. She was a feminine figure in Jewish Mythology and Mesopotamian

[old sluice]

But it works on celestials, who are none of those things

[fossil hollow]

Divine

[lyric idol]

Divine?

[lavish flame]

I often wonder how people, like commoners, define monsters. Like they don't necessarily know Creature Types. Like, I wonder if they think of Gorgons as a kind of powerful, especially dangerous bull, still an animal to them.

[old sluice]

Actually that is a common myth! Lilith, as defined in modern day pop-culture, is extremely recent. There is an old Lamashtu figure but the whole myth about being the first woman and all that? Very recent.

[rough basalt]

Depends on the people I'd guess

[old sluice]

Some celestials are divine, but not all. In the same way some fiends, fey and undead are.

[lyric idol]

So unholy or unnatural

[rough basalt]

In FR depending on the region they'd probably define anything other than themselves monsters

[old sluice]

I think Otherworldly is probably best.

[fossil hollow]

yosha

[jovial shadow]

Nope. It's factual.

[old sluice]

Yeah because "monster" is not a thing. It's a word you use to insult something or someone

[atomic kayak]

monster is a game term that simply refers to any non PC

[jovial shadow]

The good news is Protection from Good and Evil spell, spells out what it affects, so there is no guessing needed

[fossil hollow]

When has that stopped DnD players

[lavish flame]

every time a new player of mine has read the title of the spell, then its effect, they were a bit confused.

[old sluice]

Obviously it is not. Lilith does not actually exist and cannot be factual. Unless you mean the origin of the myth? In which case I would advise reading "Women in the Ancient Near East" which demonstrates how the modern Lilith is a product of mistranslation and misinterpretation of parodic writing.

[eternal summit]

💀

[atomic kayak]

bonus points to every time its referred to as "Protection from Good and Evil" and not the actual name of the spell - "Protection from Evil and Good"

[jovial shadow]

that's your opinion, which doesn't line up with the facts.

[atomic kayak]

You have not presented any facts

[lavish flame]

yuuuuup

[fossil hollow]

Ok, dude, you cannot just say you're right when you havent given anything to back it up

[lavish flame]

PfEaG is a disgusting abbreviation too

[humble cairn]

How about just ... PEG?

[lavish flame]

just visually displeasing, what a shame

[fossil hollow]

... no

[eager marsh]

The Lilith is a demonic entity that exists from ancient mesopotamian mythology. 'The first woman Lilith' is something that wasn't written into christian 'lore' until the middle ages about iirc and there's nothing on her in the testament, new or old. It's like the Dante's Inferno interpretation of Hell. It's popular, but not actually canon

[lavish flame]

hey PEG ain't so bad

[jovial shadow]

I cast PEG? lol

[glossy narwhal]

I have a question regarding art

[old sluice]

No it's not my opinion, it's the product of the research of actual historians, mythologists and other related academics

[fossil hollow]

better to ask than ask to ask

[lavish flame]

I'd have no idea what spell this would be if someone said it

[jovial shadow]

I mean I already post my sources when I responded to the original person. So I am moving on from this convo

[humble cairn]

Dante wrote Bible fanfic

[old sluice]

What? Sources? Where?

[lavish flame]

like I'd be pointing to our session 0 agreements if someone said this lmao.

[eager marsh]

Yes he did. It was merely very popular. Same with "lillith was Adam's first wife'

[humble cairn]

Yes, but ... they're delicious.

[fossil hollow]

Hey, at least we got the hit game series DMC from it

[old sluice]

No Dante wrote epic poetry and political satire. Calling it "Bible fanfic" is misrepresenting his intentions

[glossy narwhal]

Does it have to be exclusively DnD? Cuz I love Gothic fantasy and literature and have a sketch of one of my favorite characters

[atomic kayak]

just for the record, you definitely didn't

[eager marsh]

He wrote self insert fanfiction lets be honest now

[keen valve]

Please don't eat me.

[humble cairn]

Oooh

[lavish flame]

unironically just say "In Barovia" and you'd be able to get away with it (the art channel isn't super particular in my experience)

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, wrote himself taking a trip through the hells with his beloved idol Vergil where he saw all the people he hated in life there?

[humble cairn]

Calamari is just so good though 😢

[eager marsh]

Dante wrote the story about how Dante was visited personally by his #1 favorite archange/saint and given a personal tour of Hell and how everyone he didn't like or disagreed with was suffering in various layers

[lavish flame]

just keep the art reasonably Fantasy and you should be fine

[old sluice]

In the political context of the time it was one of the few ways to make political satire correctly.

[humble cairn]

Truly the ebony dark'ness dementia raven way of his time. lol

[eager marsh]

Wasn't he nearly excommunicated just like the author of Paradise Lost?

[glass granite]

Dw, my name is literally Nugget, and I’m still alive

[fossil hollow]

Griffon you annoying piece of-

man was that bird annoying

[old sluice]

Not to my knowledge. He had good friends in Rome. But let me check

Exiled for corruption, yes. But I find no mention of excommunication

[eager marsh]

I could be mistaken but the Paradise Lost creator was definitely in huge trouble for the blasphemous interpretation of Lucifer

[old sluice]

Actually not in huge trouble. Some trouble, yes. But he was well protected

[marble lion]

insane reference

[eager marsh]

i consider 'needing protection from the church' to be huge trouble in those days

[marble lion]

griffon did nothing wrong

[eager marsh]

bait used to be believable

[lavish flame]

I missed this but ur goated

[lavish flame]

real recognizes real

[hushed mason]

Milton was in a Protestant nation.

[old sluice]

Actually he did not need protection from the church. He needed protection from certain political factions he antagonised

[marble lion]

it was too big to be called bait. massive, thick, heavy, and far too rough. indeed, it was a heap of raw nonsense

[marble lion]

depending on the period, whats the difference?

[umbral girder]

New Dhampir Wizard build idea for Curse of Strahd /jk

[hushed mason]

We're discussing a very specific time period, though. And a specific person, in Milton.

[old sluice]

Good point. But in that specific time period, there was a difference. We're talking english civil war.

[marble lion]

its a roundabout way of asking the period

while also making a sarcastic comment about the state of things in certain times

[hushed mason]

I should have made more hot chocolate.

[marble lion]

english civil war is something i dont see often enough

its always either roses or american independence or 1900s

[knotty pasture]

Fighting over tea and crumpets

[glass granite]

Want a cookie to go with it

[marble lion]

or africa/india of course

[hushed mason]

I hve a few social tea biscuits. They remind me of the old McDonaldland vanilla cookies.

[old sluice]

So idea: in your D&D world, Inferno might have been written by someone who really went to hell

Paradise Lost? The author might have actually interviewed Asmodeus

[lavish flame]

yeah, that could just be a thing to reference

[old sluice]

Must have been one hell of an interview. Pun unintended

"So mister Asmodeus..."
"Please no need to be so formal. Call me Asmodeus."
"Alright, Asmodeus..."
"Your Imperial Hellish Majesty, Tormentor of All Souls and Holy Ruler of the Perfected Order Lord Asmodeus."
"Uh... Can you tell me about your childhood?"

[west timber]

I have been loving the Faerun books, though i was a little dissapointed that not every class got a new subclass

do yall think a reworked sun soul monk would have worked for the book in theme?

[lavish flame]

Same, this would've been a great time for Sun Soul or Long Death Monk and a Battlerager Barbarian update

[old sluice]

Long Death would have been better in theme.

[west timber]

Isnt Sun Soul a Dalelands based temple thing though

[old sluice]

Sun souls barely have Faerûn lore. Long deaths and shadows do

[west timber]

I remember reading theres a sun soul temple in Tassledale

[craggy cairn]

If only my party was this creative

[west timber]

Also running a Daleands Campaign

[umbral girder]

Copying fanfic characters?

[west timber]

The Faerun factions were and are being very helpful jumping off points for my players backstories and stuff

[craggy cairn]

I mean. Kinda?

[old sluice]

Sure but they haven't been very fleshed out in Forgotten Realms material compared to long death and shadows

[west timber]

and roleplay which I am enjoying, got a PDK Fighter and a Emerald Enclave Cleric

They worship Selune as a Nature Deity which I think fits well

[craggy cairn]

My Dragonborn is the most unique of the group
Besides the fact that the whole rest of the party became evil from ||dark bargains in the amber temple||

[knotty pasture]

Selune isn't a nature deity though, unless you reflavored it

[west timber]

No still Goddess of the Moon

[old sluice]

The moon presides over many natural processes

[fossil hollow]

... DMC or Berserk

[west timber]

But yeah the moon is very much assosiated with Nature

[old sluice]

Tides. Day-and-night cycle...

[umbral girder]

Yesnt

[old sluice]

If Haise says Berserk, we are calling the police, right?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[west timber]

We were gonna do the same thing but for Lythander and light cause...The Sun is important to Nature as well but when reading up on it my player liked Selune more

[marble lion]

uh

[west timber]

So we are bringing Twilight Cleric onto a 2024 Cleric basis

[marble lion]

i plead the 5th then

[west timber]

hes really enjoyed it

[craggy cairn]

Stupendous

[west timber]

And the Rogue of the group is loving the Scion of the Three subclass

[fossil hollow]

we need a better team, local law enforcement cant handle this

[old sluice]

Sun is not in Lathander's portfolio though

[west timber]

Hes a Tiefling so we are reflavoring stuff away from the godly stuff and more about him aligning to different levels of the nine hells

[west timber]

Hes the god of the morning sun/dawn though

[umbral girder]

More the god of the cycle of life

[old sluice]

Lathander is a god of youth and vitality. His followers use the rising sun as his symbol but it's metaphorical. The sun is outside his sphere of influence, he's not actually the god of the morning.

[fossil hollow]

jander you lying sonofa

[umbral girder]

There is a completely different god over the sun in the Forgotten Realms, I don’t feel like spelling it

Auramathor or something like that

[old sluice]

Amauntor is the god of the sun and time and order. A Chronos figure.

[west timber]

hes one of the gods mentioned as a light cleric domain guy

[marble lion]

i always thought lathander wasnt a sun god but the god of the rising sun though

because like birth and growth, dawn is also within that pattern

[umbral girder]

Ah yes the God of the Sun. The thing the Titan Kronos is known for

[marble lion]

therefore dawn specifically is part of his thing isnt it?

[old sluice]

Well he does grant the light domain but he is not the god of the sun. Or even the rising sun. It's just the best symbol to summarize what he is about

[fossil hollow]

yeah, im not getting the connection to chronos. is it in terms of personality, activities... or something?

[marble lion]

thats a netherese god amaunator

[old sluice]

I mean in the sense that Chronos is a god of the patterns of seasons, agriculture, the cycles of time, and the patriarch who used to bring the law

All of which fits Amauntor.

[fossil hollow]

ah, head of the pantheon

[umbral girder]

SCAG list him at the top of FR gods list is why I remember him

[old sluice]

Amauntor never ate his children I think.

[marble lion]

its weird because lathander is said to be the god of the sun in faerun now

[old sluice]

But otherwise he's basically a Chronos

[marble lion]

but at the same time, youre told he isnt

[old sluice]

Really? Where?

[fossil hollow]

did he get... sunlighted??

[marble lion]

im currently on amaunators wiki page and it specifically says lathander is "the faerunian god of the sun"

[old sluice]

So what are we thinking? Deliberate retcon or a writer making a mistake?

[fossil hollow]

im going to walk off the stage now

[marble lion]

not 100% foolproof of course

but usually info on there is from some official work

[vale sage]

Hello!

[old sluice]

Ah. Fourth edition

Yes. Fourth edition lore was generally an attempt to simplify the setting and remove the little nuances.

[marble lion]

pelor is apparently also a sun god?

[glass granite]

Hi going to walk off the stage now, I’m Nugget

[marble lion]

okay but if its not lathander, and amaunator is mostly netherese though famous enough to have other worshippers too, then who is the sun god

is there no official sun god of the modern realms in the lore?

[old sluice]

Yes but Pelor is a Greyhawk god, not a forgotten realms one

[marble lion]

yeah exactly, hence my question for the realms

[west timber]

Literally in the Faerun book says he is god of the Dawn, his followers are called dawnbringers, he is called the morning lord, his holy days have them sing the song of the dawn on midsummer and on the equinoxes which are solar holidays

[hollow estuary]

Lathander is not the sun god. he is the god of dawn

[old sluice]

Amauntor. Amauntor is not Netherese. Amauntor is a god. He was just very popular with the Netherese

[west timber]

If he isnt a god of the sun in some way hes certainly very, very sun adjacent

[marble lion]

amaunator is definitely a netherese god

[lavish flame]

yeah its like Apollo and Helio

[old sluice]

Gods don't have a nationality.

[fossil hollow]

he got sunlighted

[old sluice]

Gods are gods. Amauntor did not live in Netheril.

[marble lion]

yeah but you can still link them like that i think

[west timber]

I mean Lolth is certainly more a Drow Deity than anything else

[marble lion]

and their extensive personality and expression can be localised from time to time

[old sluice]

You're confusing species and nationality

[marble lion]

i think amaunator is meant to be one of those. he is meant to be netherese deity

there is no lore on amaunator on the wiki that explains his origin etc so i guess i cant say anything else on the matter

[west timber]

Amaunator and Lathander can both exist as sun gods, and they do embody different aspects of the sun

and looking into it theres debate on weather Lathander si a different aspect of Amauntator

[marble lion]

yeah but my thing here is that amaunator seems like a localised deity while lathander is only the dawn god, not the sun

[old sluice]

Certainly. But Netheril doesn't exist anymore, and Amauntor, while he wasted away from lack of worship, was later brought back to life

Netheril does not exist, Amauntor does.

[umbral girder]

Drow isn’t a nationality

[marble lion]

do you know where he was brought back?

[west timber]

Even if he is mainly god of the dawn I dont think that procludes him from being a sun god though, it is one aspect but that aspect is certainly sunny

[umbral girder]

Also Lolth has a good bit of followers that aren’t Drow, or even elves

[west timber]

Just because I'm god of trees doesnt mean I'm not a god of plants

[marble lion]

well in my eyes, lathander is now the sun god tbh

[hollow estuary]

Yes they do.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Deities_by_pantheon

[marble lion]

amaunator is a weird one to pick because hes not really big in the actual worship to me

[old sluice]

What do you mean "where"? He's a god, so... Somewhere in the astral plane where his corpse floated?

[umbral girder]

Lathandar is more like a lackey of the Sun God

[marble lion]

which sun god? amaunator?

[old sluice]

That's not a nationality, that's a pantheon

[west timber]

Also IRL gods certainly do have some nationalities, or at least places of origin and we call them as such by their general origins

[umbral girder]

Those aren’t nationalities

[hollow estuary]

The celestial Emperor isent a god in faerun for example.

[west timber]

Greek, Roman, Egyptian etc

[old sluice]

He is a god. He just isn't worshipped in Faerûn

[umbral girder]

Race ≠ Nationality

[hollow estuary]

Hm. Okay actually I think I was wrong on this, I Do know that their are gods that are worshipped by certain cultures.

[fossil hollow]

The only deity from our world thats present in FR is Tyr for some reason.

Also, dont post the same message across different channels

[old sluice]

Yes. But that says more about the culture than about the god

[hollow estuary]

yeah your right

[west timber]

Fair, I also assosiate Drow society with Ethnostates and thats my bad

[old sluice]

Tiamat (okay the D&D Tiamat is in name only). The egyptian pantheon.

[umbral girder]

Egyptian? Tiamat? Huh???

[west timber]

Bahamut and Tiamat were both from Byzantine werent they

[old sluice]

Bahamut too, but same as Tiamat.

[umbral girder]

Egyptian?

[jovial shadow]

Sumerian?

[fossil hollow]

... do we have- actually, there are some Egyptian people who got isekaid... i dont think that was enough to bring them to FR though

[old sluice]

No, Bahamut is persian.

[west timber]

Also like

[marble lion]

FR had several norse and egyptian gods yes

[old sluice]

And Tiamat is Sumerian.

[hollow estuary]

Okay Lathander and Amaunator are the same deity

[west timber]

Thor is mentioned as an example of a storm god, I think its mentioned that there are gods in Faerun from other realms

[marble lion]

i dont know how many of them are in still in the realms in 1500

[hollow estuary]

Thor is actually not a inhabitant diety of ysgard, hes not in the game I dont think'

[umbral girder]

Mesopotamian for Tiamat

[marble lion]

whenever believers enter the world, their gods can come with them, as parts

[fossil hollow]

Tiamat and Bahamut are only similar to the same named gods in name

[old sluice]

Yes and no. Fourth edition lore retconned Lathander as being an aspect of Amauntor but then it was ignored

[hollow estuary]

Huh.

[marble lion]

i just find it really weird that there is no faerunian pantheon sun god without any strings attached

we have all the basic concepts covered, except the sun? surprising

[west timber]

In 2014 he is listed as an example of a Storm Diety and a War Domain deity

[old sluice]

I mean... The Forgotten Realms don't really need a sun god

[marble lion]

do they need a moon god?

[fossil hollow]

the 2014 PHB lists the celtic, greek, roman, norse, and egyptian god as examples. theyre not all present in the realms

[old sluice]

Their sun is the same as ours. A ball of gas in fusion. You don't need a god to take care of that

[fossil hollow]

they have a moon goddess. Selune is crying rn

she didnt tank outer planet threats for nothing