dnd-discussion

[eager marsh]

Minmaxing cares little about flavor to get the best numbers

[fossil hollow]

at first level

[echo agate]

My bad, associated it with artificer due to its 2014 transfusion power, that would still be possible in 2024 no? Magic tinker and your lvl 2 transfusion doing once each

[oak shoal]

Paladins have moved past the alignment locked shenanigans that used to haunt them

[zenith wind]

Coward, all holy men require a pact to a sexy dark lady

[humble cairn]

Critting on Guiding Bolt with the normal rules would get you 8d6 damage, which averages out to 27 dmg, chunky crits makes it average out to 44 damage!

[fossil hollow]

wyll would like to disagree

[echo agate]

Still very curious how thats supposed to work, the bag of holding thing

[remote wadi]

The GB crit in this campaign will deal 32 base damage, and that's getting unholy levels of bad luck

[oak shoal]

Wyll isn't holy

[fossil hollow]

wait what? isnt it 31? 4d6 + 4 * 6?

[bronze wave]

Mf is NOT holy

[eager marsh]

Hm. That does circumvent the limit yes. However this trick will also work on the person you send to put one bag into the other and also frequent a use will get your dm to ban it

[undone fable]

I love ranger!

[fossil hollow]

is he not? hes from elturel

[remote wadi]

4d6 + 2×modifier +24 radiant

[zenith wind]

He’s a fighter apparently

[bronze wave]

That to ya. I feel ranger gets wayyy stronger at lvl 3

[fossil hollow]

you dont need paladin or cleric to be holy, per se

[bronze wave]

Boy Paladin does not care about its subclass half the time besides one single aura at lvl 7

Ask me what I’m doing with plant growth

[oak shoal]

Oath vengeance misty step👀

[undone fable]

I really love ranger!

[zenith wind]

Zealot barb on their way to never go to their heaven bc they never die

[bronze wave]

It’s why I said half. Oath of veng has rlly good channel divinity

[umbral girder]

Modifiers aren’t doubled with Crits?

[undone fable]

ooooh piercer + Sharpshooter + CBE + Swarmkeeper

[fossil hollow]

someone gotta stay behind to ensure the sinners stay down

[humble cairn]

Oh I got the dice wrong.

[ebon dome]

Oath of veng is really strong

[oak shoal]

Zealot barbarians are the undertakers of DND

[glossy mountain]

plant growth is a good control spell but putting it on paladin is hilarious

[umbral girder]

Not really

[bronze wave]

I gotta be in the damn plants myself lol how does it help me

[umbral girder]

Vengeance is ok overall

[fossil hollow]

Guiding bolt also does not add modifiers last i check

[knotty pasture]

Not necessarily cuz the oath you swear doesn't have to be at odds with your patron, flavoring solves this nicely too

[remote wadi]

If i have to say "Perkin's Crits" one more time, I'll consider making an athletics check off the nearest cliff

[undone fable]

I really just like dnd rangers and I wanna play one.

[oak shoal]

Yo moma

[humble cairn]

How is the Cleric adding their modifier to the damage?

[undone fable]

Perkins crit is... max damage on one dice and rolling the regular dice?

[fossil hollow]

thats not a perkins thing. guiding bolt doesnt add mod

[bronze wave]

I mean it’s expect lol your bringing a homebrew rule basically and expecting ppl to just know it. I would just inherently include it

[umbral girder]

The Perkins Crit does not double modifiers

[undone fable]

What is a perkins crit?

[ebon dome]

My dnd party jumped me tdy

[bronze wave]

Also I don’t even think persons doubles flats from what I’m hearing so it’s a homebrew homebrew rules

[umbral girder]

Just like regular crit rules, the Perkins crit only effects your Dice

[remote wadi]

Then I must have been mistaken. I can't remember terribly much on how everything for it works

[bronze wave]

It’s homebrew squared

[undone fable]

Like i understand that. i dont understand what a perkins crit is

[zenith wind]

Damn you’re supposed to rp the engagement not act it out physically

[fossil hollow]

so. 31 average with a perkin crit GB

[umbral girder]

Isn’t it 38?

[humble cairn]

If the spell hits for 4d6 normally, average damage is 14. Average crit damage is 28. Chunky crits (maximize the roll and then roll again) averages out to 38. The more dice you roll, the more chunky crits help your average damage.

[remote wadi]

Crit dice are always max damage

So a longbow crit with 18 dex is 2d8+4 normally, but 1d8+12 with perkins

[undone fable]

ah okay thank you!

[fossil hollow]

4d6 + 4 * 6?

[umbral girder]

Yes that’s an average of 38

[oak shoal]

I find that punching your friend in the throat is the best way to show your gratitude for the fireball they "accidentally" threw at you

[bronze wave]

I think we lost the plot of this convo

[fossil hollow]

3.5 * 2 is 7. + 24

... oooh

[zenith wind]

Fireball to the face is the light cleric’s love language

[umbral girder]

You are missing 2 of those d6s

[fossil hollow]

you see. this is why i almost failed high school math

[knotty pasture]

I mean we have lost it really early on, when the convo turned into "why is Ranger not hitting as hard without Gloom Stalker at level 3"

[echo agate]

Im mostly asking about the logic behind it

[fossil hollow]

i keep forgetting numbers

yah, ur so rite nealen

[oak shoal]

Ranger builds go online at level 3 tbh

[bronze wave]

Another win for paladins the best half caster

[humble cairn]

And this disproportionately helps damage rolls with more dice.

[bronze wave]

This is why all my campaigns only go to lvl2

[undone fable]

Is it homebrew if I made a rule where if an attack is a crit, it is max damage on the entire attack? Like... swarmkeeper ranger with Piercer, SS, and CBE in 2014 makes like ... 67 damage with one attack?

[fossil hollow]

feels extra good with spellfire sorc too

[oak shoal]

That's evil but hilarious

[fossil hollow]

crit? spend 2d10 HD for 4d10

[bronze wave]

Sorc is specifically not a half caster

[remote wadi]

I, on the other hand, really enjoy probability calculations. But Fate is cruel and decided it would have me calculate odds the most from seeing Lady Luck do her best AM roleplay towards me

[echo agate]

Just curiosity about bag of holding and its interactions

[undone fable]

ranger is a half caster, right?

[bronze wave]

Yes

[fossil hollow]

no, spellfire adept feat

[knotty pasture]

Yea

[zenith wind]

It is a black hole always use it as an offensive weapon

[undone fable]

I love half casters!

[remote wadi]

It's partially why I was trying to get Gunner and a hunting rifle at level 6

[oak shoal]

2024 is silly because wydm I can do 1d10 slashing plus 2d8 radiant plus 1d10 fire damage at level 2

[undone fable]

Gunner feat is awesome

[bronze wave]

Same those or full casters. I’ve tried out first martial recently tho not bad

[fossil hollow]

which is not a ranger problem

this is a dice problem. you need to execute your dice

[undone fable]

I love ranger dice.

[umbral girder]

The bad crit fishing build rises again I see

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately, that requires me to both have enough money and get to level 6 with both my physical and mental health in one piece in character and out

[ebon dome]

Bro I hit someone in my party (that decided we weren’t progressing in the campaign unless we fought) with divine smite and he randomly said he was a child of god so it doesn’t affect him as the dm let him bc the dm thought it would be funny basically nullifying my dmg and then didn’t let me even try to dodge his attack which was just a bunch of punches

[undone fable]

They are super awesome and I want to become an awesome ranger.

[bronze wave]

I rolled 20 nat 20s once… it was crazy man

[oak shoal]

THE ONE PIECEEEE

[remote wadi]

I'm too poor for physical dice, I have to use DnD Beyond

[zenith wind]

Order online full sets are often less then 5$

[bronze wave]

Manifest dice to fall from the sky. It can happen. I managed to get like 4 extra d6s from it

[remote wadi]

...I had that coming. Can someone roll damage dice for psychic damage for me?

[fossil hollow]

thats a seperate issue entirely that is not related to ranger

[oak shoal]

Steal

[remote wadi]

So get this. That's $5 I don't have

[bronze wave]

Damn

[marble lion]

so you triggered pvp and got dumped for it?

[undone fable]

not the ranger class problem? thats pretty awesome

[zenith wind]

I saw a three pack that was 2.5$ today

[ebon dome]

Ik a dm that uses Google dice

[marble lion]

play silly games, win silly prices

[snow agate]

So true

[undone fable]

what? that sounds terrible

[marble lion]

on both ends

[remote wadi]

So I guess that's me in my hobbies in a nutshell

[marble lion]

dont try to divine smite your party please

[fossil hollow]

yay for solving out of game issues with in game issues

[ebon dome]

He threw me into a tree first and said “guys let’s kill him!”

[marble lion]

ok that sounds like a problem

[zenith wind]

If they are so much a sinner that they’re susceptible to divine smite then they deserve it

[remote wadi]

I love probability calculation and I love big damage numbers, but I spend my calculations seeing just how badly I get screwed over, and I see big damage dice from just about everyone else

[oak shoal]

You have much more patience then me

[fossil hollow]

(which /tone means sarcastic?)

[undone fable]

Prrobability calculations?

[marble lion]

"and observe then that if the woman wasnt a witch, she wouldnt have burnt" or something

[woven flint]

/s

[hoary mango]

Hi what's the best way to play a chaotic neutral player character without disrupting the party and story?

[remote wadi]

/jk
Or /hj

[marble lion]

/s means sarcastic

[zenith wind]

Smh it’s basic maths

[woven flint]

That means Just Kidding and Half Kidding

[marble lion]

and what else floats?

[fossil hollow]

not being "haha, goofy selfish random"

[remote wadi]

Thought that meant serious. My bad

[oak shoal]

Playing chaotic neutral correctly and not playing chaotic stupid

[marble lion]

for years i lived under the belief that jk meant joke, not just kidding

[woven flint]

I'm gonna be playing a Lawful Evil fellow soon
He's the parties healer 🧐

[marble lion]

thats /srs actually 🤓

[fossil hollow]

i mean, its essentially the same

[fossil hollow]

cough healthcare

[remote wadi]

I.e. odds of a Fighter with Improved Crit landing a crit with advantage

[hoary mango]

how would I play it correctly

[marble lion]

"youre back. hooray. that will be 400gp"

[zenith wind]

If my belief system encourages me to be chaotic, would my character who follows it to the letter for their own advantage be considered lawful neutral or evil?

[woven flint]

Hey, they're his bodyguards, they get healing for free, but they're ultimately his Meat Shields

[fossil hollow]

you dont get to use your personal system for lawful

[hoary mango]

I love to be chaotic in my clubs without disrupting the games we play lol

[ebon dome]

Then most of the party accepted and made it a 4v1 and the dm tried summoning a knight for me then the other players kept rolling charisma until they convinced him to go away, which only took two roles becuase for some reason someone has a +11 cha mod bc my dm maxs stats at +20 instead of +5

How fun

[remote wadi]

So the session kind of just was me waiting around for everyone else doing all the work and then taking boatloads of slashing and poison damage on our way out of the house

[zenith wind]

I though lawful was personal codes, belief systems and the like

[oak shoal]

Dawg leave them that's a nightmare scenario

[fossil hollow]

"oh my personal belief says that killing isnt wrong"
"my personal belief says that i can steal"
""we're both lawful""
see the issue?

you can have personal beliefs and standards in any alignment

[bronze wave]

I think that works. There’s no one type of lawful?

There’s lawful evil kings and devils both operate quite diff

[oak shoal]

Alignment is guidelines not rules

[ebon dome]

I Lwk might someone else already got fed up a few sessions ago and set off multiple explosions on himself completely leveling the area he was at just so he could leave the campaign

[woven flint]

Yeah, Lawful Evil individuals are people that do evil within the confines of the laws of the land
Exploitation of Government or the law to benefit oneself

[bronze wave]

Lawful evil devils all it means is they follow their contracts lol which is literally shit they make up

[fossil hollow]

which is mutually agreed upon.

[past blaze]

lawful doesn't mean the law
Devils are lawful but they would make a deal even if it's against the law in the kingdom they were summoned for dealing in

[echo agate]

From my first interaction with a bag of holding i was informed its not a very good idea to turn it inside out unless you want to party wipe and end the world essentially, so im curious how the interaction of a bag of holding in a bag of holding, how this does not end everything, or if a inside out bag has a max capacity of esting everything

[fossil hollow]

contract is null if other party doesnt sign it

[woven flint]

Very contracty and or dealy

[zenith wind]

I lowkey can’t if you’re strictly following a creed that should be considered lawful even if it’s not aligned with the popular laws ie I would consider fey to typically be lawful even if their morality is different

[bronze wave]

Sure but you follow a set of rules and follow it to the degree without just being chaotic and whatever

[bronze wave]

The BEST alignment

[fossil hollow]

the point is that law requires a mutual agreement

[remote wadi]

By the way, to the people that said that I could technically still contribute damage without the SS penalty

It's a yes and no. Yes because damage would be dealt, no because I (un)fortunately understand the concept of effective health

[oak shoal]

Neutral evil in my opinion is where true evil villains shine

[undone fable]

ok

[woven flint]

Speaking of, I should have Zhoska make a contract for the party after he establishes a connection or knowing basis with them

[eager marsh]

What logic? Anything in the area is launched to the astral
Plane. They’re not your problem anymore

[fossil hollow]

i feel like Queen Diane has a lot of paperwork for you especially

[zenith wind]

The devil contract lawyers best villain

[ebon dome]

Lawful evil can be really good but also really mid depending on how it’s used

[snow agate]

applies to everything

[fossil hollow]

almost like alignment shouldnt be the basis of a character

[zenith wind]

The truely unhinged are the true neutrals

[oak shoal]

Another thing that irks me is when people don't think that alignment can't change

[snow agate]

the reason is because people believe this IRL

[woven flint]

"You will get the benefits of me as a party member, healing, a knowledgeable person as a local of these lands and I will even create magic items for you.
You, however, under these terms, agree to put me before yourself, being a body gaurd to protect my person. Negotiations of finding ways to resurrect you are on the table, so long as you have the gold to pay the fine if you perish."

[zenith wind]

Nah just pilfer their pockets while they are dead before you resurrect them

[snow agate]

CE party member be like "look man i just want to kill things for their loot and get famous"

[fossil hollow]

thankfully, there isnt a CE character

[marble lion]

chaotic evil is better than neutral evil

[fossil hollow]

(im the DM for them)

[marble lion]

lawful evil is also better than neutral evil

[oak shoal]

Chaotic evil player are a double sided swords

[oak shoal]

Neutral good>

[woven flint]

No, that's another agreeance of rhe contract I'll work in, you aren't allowed to pilfer another's body without express consent, and the same goes to him for looting a deceased party members body.
He's selfish, but he's not as barbaric as to loot you and leave your body to Rot.

[remote wadi]

@fossil hollow Don't know if you saw the message or not, but I wanted to give a bit of another reason I chose SS for my first feat

[marble lion]

the worst evil is neutral evil
lawful will have a code you can play by
chaotic means they can randomly not be evil basically
neutral evil means theyre evil. just evil. selfish and opportunistic and without any code or flukes

[echo agate]

I generally dont know anything about it, so its stuff like that, if theres a max range, what causes a bag of holding containing a bag to never be a place of escaping

At what point does a turned inside out bag of holding stop suckint in everything

[snow agate]

maybe the real good alignment is anti-lawyer

[ebon dome]

I really enjoy the lawful evil character I’m playing rn

[marble lion]

they are consistent evil with no hope of catching a break and completely incompatible

[fossil hollow]

i feel like you can be opportunistic even as lawful or chaotic

[snow agate]

mhm

[fossil hollow]

(lawyers vs scavenger)

[snow agate]

opportunism is just a personality trait really

[marble lion]

only if your lawful doesnt conflict with it. neutral evil doesnt have lawful

[woven flint]

Honestly, I feel like my character actually being the only local in the party actually gives them incentive to protect him 💀

[eager marsh]

A turned out bag doesn’t suck anything in. The item description answers your questions. It doesn’t say it lasts longer than a turn so everything is taken immediately within the radius

[oak shoal]

A really love adding double sided personalities traits to my characters

[fossil hollow]

i mean... actually, no that would break the no politics rule

[remote wadi]

That's chaotic evil. Neutral Evil means that they are largely determining actions on how much it benefits themselves

[snow agate]

i like having strong negative traits and strong positive traits because it creates chicanery passively

[zenith wind]

I always tend to make myself the most suspicious person on ever table I play

[oak shoal]

For my paladin it's that he's straightforward and ambitious. However these could perhaps get him into trouble

[fossil hollow]

could mark it up as you know the dangers

[snow agate]

i tend to have party members never trust me fully even though i tell them everything

[marble lion]

i dont think thats what lawful evil really is

[remote wadi]

I misspoke. Meant to say neutral evil

[marble lion]

ah

well yeah thats what i was saying

[zenith wind]

Lowkey tho idk how to make people trust me and keep this massive hoard of backstory secrets together

[woven flint]

And if they don't agree to his contract.
"Good Luck with surviving in these cruel forests...
I'm friends with a lot of snakes here as a Yuan-Ti, myself."

[snow agate]

the main source of distrust comes from insecurity, so just acknowledge or setup a failure or two, that way they stop being intimidated

[oak shoal]

Mine is that once he holds a bitter resentment towards the lich that killed his town that will eat him alive one day

[fossil hollow]

stone snakes soon to coooome.

[marble lion]

do they look like elden ring stone worms

[zenith wind]

Mine is basically a professional revolutionary religious nut who is trying to be on holiday and not do the revolutionary nut stuff

[ebon dome]

The ones that guard evergoals?

[fossil hollow]

no, snakes with rocky hides and crystal eyes and fangs

[snow agate]

one time the backstory for my paladin was she was just a tourist

[woven flint]

Do you think I could pull off playing an Evil character?

[fossil hollow]

most likely. youve been doing gr8 job with more jery chars so far

[oak shoal]

Depending on how the story ends up playing out I might have him become evil himself or get over his grudge.

[zenith wind]

Lowkey Andor was a big inspiration for my character

[fossil hollow]

cant wait to see you mess with bertrand lmao

[snow agate]

idk who that is

[zenith wind]

The star wars character/tv show

[snow agate]

still dunno i dont watch star wars

[fresh bloom]

Is it possible for a dragon to lose its lair? To lose lair shares, like the thing where the lair explodes when it dies, etc.

[zenith wind]

It’s the best show of there’s rn it’s basically a ww2 spy drama with a Star Wars facade

[remote wadi]

@fossil hollow Were you reading the thing I was trying to ask/tell you about before?

[snow agate]

i see

[woven flint]

Caspian may be egotistical, but he has SOME respect for Veterans such a Bertrand

[raw ocean]

Grinding reddit karma to be able to post on D&D reddits has humbled me

I don't understand how people can do this stuff all day

[fossil hollow]

didnt seem like it once the chicken came out

[knotty pasture]

Reddit karma's more of a right place at the right time thing

Grind your karma in other subs before coming back to r/dnd

[woven flint]

Okay, to be fair, calling a Non-Chicken Bird Man a chicken IS a bit racist
Caspian is a PROUD Owlin

[raw ocean]

I got downvoted to hell in r/D&D, never again

[knotty pasture]

F

[ebon dome]

One of my ideas for a character is a 40 year old man going thru a midlife crisis and joined a party for “one last ride” as he tries to relive his glory days

[raw ocean]

Literally made a post on "Why can't some players and DM's compromise with eachover" and they ripped into me saying the DM's should never have to bend the knee to players or something

"If you need to ask the DM for something, dont it's probably bad homebrew anyways"

[snow agate]

i just had a brilliant idea

war cleric character where your nemesis is another war cleric of the same god

[remote wadi]

Honestly, reddit karma is not a currency worth caring about

[oak shoal]

I just wanna talk about my current character rn.
Exodia is a oath of Vengeance Paladin who grew up as a farm boy in a small settlement near fort morning lord. His town was raided and nearly slaughtered by a lich and his undead army, he ended up with a permanent burn mark on his face. Later on in his life he found himself in service of a particularly powerful wizard that he ended serving for 3 years. In that three years he lost his arm in a fight with a demon. The wizard replaced it with a powerful mage hand that always matched the strength of his right arm. After a while he swore vengeance on the lich who took away his village from him, leading him to a small town that happened to be invaded by a group of people called the red brands.

[raw ocean]

I do need to care about it if I want to post on R/LFG so I can find campaigns

[oak shoal]

Holy Yap

[raw ocean]

Im in literal reddit karma debt

[remote wadi]

Fair enough

[snow agate]

just make an alt

[raw ocean]

-22 karma 😔

[raw ocean]

Im too lazy too make a whole new alt

[woven flint]

Just don't associate with Reddit

[raw ocean]

Easier to just nostalgia bait people in reddit

[woven flint]

A lot of Reddit folk seem to have poor takes

[knotty pasture]

If Exodia somehow creates four other simulacrums or clones of himself, does the universe automatically end

[snow agate]

unfortunately the LFG is one of the decent places to find games

[woven flint]

Drat

[oak shoal]

It's just a funny haha but that would be funny yeah

[raw ocean]

D&D reddit is a cess pool of opinions

[knotty pasture]

Epic

Have you tried dndbeyond forums to search for games? Granted I haven't either

[snow agate]

has less overall inflow and the reddit lfg also encompasses non-dnd games

[knotty pasture]

Damn

[remote wadi]

@knotty pasture Was trying to tell other people about this, but they didn't reply yet

Another reason that I was taking Sharpshooter (aside from a lack of solid options) is my fortunate and unfortunate knowledge about effective Health in games

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I suggested a "Tabaxi with a fear of pickles" sarcastically for original D&D character flaws and some dude genuinely sent a whole paragraph explaining why I will never get into a campaign and that I should quit D&D

[fossil hollow]

owch

[remote wadi]

I assume a tabaxi is a feline of sorts

[raw ocean]

Yep

[remote wadi]

Not sure what to say

[raw ocean]

"A gimmick character like that is useless for any campaign other than a one shot joke character"

A fully fleshed out character with an instinctual fear 😭

[knotty pasture]

Yeah but now you know that you don't have to, there's like 6 decent options for Ranger when it comes to feats, and ASI if you are lost

[echo agate]

Mind if i ask where i find the item description then

[knotty pasture]

My opinion of Sharpshooter was mixed before I hit level 6 as Ranger personally (I got it at level 4) since I was dealing with 50-55% accuracy most of the time

At 7-8 I was reaching 65-70% accuracy with better gear which makes the whole thing more worth it

[woven flint]

While Tabaxi are felid folks, they notably aren't like housecats

As they've a more complex intelligence than a housecat

[raw ocean]

cool.

[remote wadi]

I mean, yeah. I have smaller options for what I can choose

But it still means my character's primary perks are just a little better than what some other classes do as a secondary role

[woven flint]

One of my personal gripes is when people specifically treat tabaxis like meme characters, so I can understand the gripes about it, but, I also don't think it's a reasonable reason to tell someone to quit because they're not harming anyone

But that's the type of thing you get from reddit 💀

[snow agate]

applies to many species tbh

i think kobolds have the potential to have really cool characters, so only having seen people play meme kobolds is disappointing

[marble lion]

Was he not being sarcastic?

[remote wadi]

And the thing is, I already have good stats that don't need ASIs until mid/late game levels. And I fortunately do have some good options for later on in the campaign, but that requires getting there

All that to say, to say I feel like a deadweight until I can actually be a bit useful is right on the money

[raw ocean]

He sent a fully grammatically correct paragraph

[marble lion]

Ok so

[raw ocean]

I looked at his post history to check if he was joking, he was not...

[marble lion]

The best sarcasm comes deadpan

[knotty pasture]

No, we established that Ranger doesn't get their power spike until level 3

No class is equally powerful from level 1-20

[woven flint]

Ah yes
Drow are Short, Emo and Evil
Kobolds are Loud, Dumb and Obnoxious
Orcs are Loud, Dumb and Can't Read!
Boy oh boy, I sure do love interesting characters! /s

[knotty pasture]

Some classes are stronger at lower levels, others at higher levels

[marble lion]

Drow are short?

[raw ocean]

Drow are short?

[snow agate]

have you heard of my drunk xenophobic dwarf with no other character traits

[knotty pasture]

Ranger happens to reach their power spike at level 3

[marble lion]

Jinx

[raw ocean]

Jinx

[woven flint]

Shorter than other Elves, yes

[raw ocean]

I expected drows to be taller than elves

[woven flint]

Most things that live underground are typically smaller

[remote wadi]

When I do get to said power spike, other classes get a lot (more) too

[knotty pasture]

No not really

[raw ocean]

Sometimes I genuinly forger that rangers exist

[woven flint]

As it's better to be small and more compact living in such areas
And elves are a highly adaptive species genetically

[knotty pasture]

Some get more than the others

[snow agate]

Humans are self-inserts
Elves are anime girls
Tabaxis are furries
goblins are CN kleptos
etc etc

[slender grove]

hello

[marble lion]

Ive never seen a female elf

[remote wadi]

And Dwarves?

[snow agate]

impressive honestly

[raw ocean]

Alchoholic

[knotty pasture]

Shadow Sorcerer doesn't reach its power spike until level 6, Soulknife doesn't reach its power spike until level 9

[marble lion]

All elves ive seen were male, about 15 now

[snow agate]

your racist grandpa

[remote wadi]

I can't tell whether to be disgusted or impressed

[woven flint]

Nope, not at all
High Elves are the Tallest, then Wood Elves are the Medium between both and Drow are the shortest

[marble lion]

highelves

[knotty pasture]

Neither, because not all classes are created equally

[marble lion]

And woodelves? What else is made of wood? Trees
And what are trees?

[raw ocean]

The nefarious low elf:

[knotty pasture]

But level 3 for your first major power spike is quite fast

[umbral girder]

On average elves are shorter than humans fun fact

[snow agate]

the down under elf? the aussie drow

[raw ocean]

Grimhollow human, my beloved

[remote wadi]

Then maybe it's just me, but

I feel like what I just got at level 3 so far is not impressive

Initiative went from +4 to +8
I got Piercer
And I got a third spell slot, only to lose casting that new spell when our team didn't think twice

[snow agate]

sorry theres three types of elves. there's 4'5" christmas elf, 5'2" frieren elf, and 8'5" ancient elites

[knotty pasture]

This conversation has run its course since anyways, would you like me to agree with you that Ranger sucks and you have terrible luck

[marble lion]

Downunderelf oi crikey look at the size of that ettercap

[woven flint]

I bet you Deep Gnomes/Svirfneblin are shorter than regular gnomes as well since they also live underground

[remote wadi]

That's... that's a good point

I apologize

[snow agate]

"M8 we just got a crypt crawler oiii wey"

[umbral girder]

The early 2014 books had random size tables for characters by race which is pretty neat.

[marble lion]

"Only 4 bonus on intiniative"
"Only piercer"

[raw ocean]

Only ranger I have ever seen was a power player that tried to use 3.5 to infinite stun things

[woven flint]

Fun Fact:
Gnomes are typically taller than Halflings

[umbral girder]

Dragonborn and Half Orc were the two tallest on average in the 2014 PHB

[fossil hollow]

you are reminding me to give jarlaxle an australian accent

[marble lion]

The sizechart i saw said gnomes are 2'9

[raw ocean]

I still hate illithids with my entire soul

[snow agate]

oh i forgot the gnome stereotype, all gnomes are played by munchkins

[woven flint]

Halflings are THE defacto short kings

[umbral girder]

Usually I see Drow have French accents

[fossil hollow]

thats duergar propaganda

[snow agate]

yeah french belongs to the humans

[woven flint]

Nah, they're morso around like 3-4 feet, it seems

[marble lion]

I forgot the dice on top, ignore

[remote wadi]

For context, I 4 out of my 5 initiative rolls so far have been below a base of 7

And while Piercer's reroll IS great for solving the smaller problem of bad damage on hit, it doesn't exactly solve it completely

[snow agate]

i dont even get duergar tbh like ur just a normal dwarf but meaner

[marble lion]

You just have been unlucky

[fossil hollow]

"..." - my duergar

[remote wadi]

Consistently unlucky, somehow

[woven flint]

They were enslaved by Illithids and experimented on.. then abandoned by their Dwarven brethren
I can kinda get it

[marble lion]

Oh but lichdom is evil

[fossil hollow]

also made a deal with asmodeus to survive

[snow agate]

somebody should really do something about the illithids they've preyed on underdark-kind for too long

[marble lion]

Cant believe this!

[raw ocean]

Contemplating on making a character that was raised in a dungeon by monsters

[woven flint]

EXACTLY

[marble lion]

The hypocrisy

[snow agate]

the best argument for a necromancer is "all is fair in love and war"

[knotty pasture]

What subclass did you go for in the end

[marble lion]

This one is trying to keep me from my immortality. Just dont want to die

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalker, to no one's surprise

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker gets a bunch of stuff at level 3 that's all v impressive

[marble lion]

But oh theyre small so its okay for them to be evil

[snow agate]

my current drow wizard spent half her life as a dungeon custodian and never touched grass

[remote wadi]

Problem is, I will only get the starting benefits

[knotty pasture]

A free attack at turn 1 that deals extra damage, night vision, more speed

[ebon dome]

Why do some dms ignore pretty important parts of the game like spell slots, spell requirements, armor class, and movement speed

[snow agate]

why do people ignore anything? because they're lazy

[marble lion]

Nah thats insane levels of ignoring

[knotty pasture]

The extra attack that deals extra damage at turn 1 is how you get the whole Gloom Stalker Ranger ending fights within 3 turns

[marble lion]

Ok maybe spell requirements, depending on details, dont always matter that much

[fossil hollow]

i dont think your dm wants to play dnd

[knotty pasture]

Cuz you just delete any enemy of your choice immediately

[woven flint]

My Drow Warlock (Celestial)
Made a pact with a Deities Chosen to escape Menzobarrenzen, gotta say, he's never been happier, has a bit of hatred for fiends, but whaddya expect?

[marble lion]

Sounds like a nonsense dm who is not running dnd

[snow agate]

😭 i made it really simple, i said she just asked her necromancer boss if she could leave and he said idgaf ur replaceable

[remote wadi]

To be perfectly honest, virtually every fight ended in 3 turns anyways

[woven flint]

He was part of a Royal family down there, it was a bit more difficult for him 💀

[raw ocean]

I remember one time one of my old characters opened a door directly into a lich's main room and he just closed it and left

[knotty pasture]

Yeah and Gloom Stalker contributes greatly to this

[raw ocean]

Sometimes you just gotta know you aint built for some encounters 💔

[knotty pasture]

I was shaving off like 90 hp on a 150 hp boss on turn 1, Echo Knight just jumps in and wraps up the rest, the end

[snow agate]

me looking at my adventuring party like i wasnt the person building traps to kill adventurers not even a year ago:

[woven flint]

Doesn't help that down in Menzobarrenzen Noble families are killed off left and right to be replaced by rivals, it's been 100 or so years since he's left, so he doesn't even know if his family is still alive, but I dunno if he'd genuinely care

[remote wadi]

It's only for one atack on the first turn

[raw ocean]

"Oh this trap design is really good, guys come check it out!"

[ebon dome]

I mean there’s kinda armor class in the dnd rolls a d20 and basically says how effective it is based off the vibe of the number

[snow agate]

i made her have dungeon meshi autism but for architecture and traps

[knotty pasture]

Yeah that's enough, when combat ends in 3 turns, the DPR for Gloom Stalker is incredibly high with a free attack at round 1 with extra damage

[ebon dome]

My dm seems to like the number 11 but tends to dislike 14

[remote wadi]

How much difference can a single d8 make at that point?

[raw ocean]

a D8 saved my party member from being ripped in half

[knotty pasture]

Its another flat 1d8 on top of your final damage output

[woven flint]

Sadly. He's gonna have to go back to Menzobarrenzen soon, as part of a quest to look for an Artifact

[snow agate]

itll be fine, wear a mask

[knotty pasture]

Without modifiers, a level 3 Ranger is outputting 3d8 damage on 1 turn, goes up to 4d8 at level 5

[woven flint]

It's not that, he just knows he's gonna have to deal with facing fiends again and he doesn't know if he'll be able to keep his temper under control

[snow agate]

get angry and kill them? barbarians have been doing this forever, i believe in you

[remote wadi]

Okay, let me rephrase that

How much difference can single additional d8 on a damage roll make when your team for this session was a Cleric, Paladin, Fighter, Bard, and Wizard?

[raw ocean]

A damage D8 saved my party member from being ripped in half

[knotty pasture]

All of their harder hitting abilities require spell slots, Dread Ambusher refreshes per combat

[runic saddle]

is this an appropriate channel to look for a game?

[woven flint]

Well, he can't is the problem, bringing attention to the party would jeprodize a LOT for them.
Menzobarrenzen isn't a joke, it's the MAIN Drow Captial, my friend

[raw ocean]

#looking-for-players

[snow agate]

no go to #find-a-game #looking-for-players #looking-for-dm

[runic saddle]

thanks folks

[snow agate]

become a stoic

[knotty pasture]

Darkvision of your own + darkvision immunity also helps with not being targetted while annoying the enemy

Which makes Gloom Stalker deceptively slippery in darker environments

[woven flint]

I mean, a demon murdered his younger sister.
I don't think he can remain stoic once he starts thinking about it

[snow agate]

alright ive already offered 3 suggestions im not your characters therapist figure it out

[remote wadi]

Wizard, Cleric, and Bard have Cantrips. And a Paladin can just choose not to smite

I get your point about it being consistent damage that doesn't need to be recharged, but conservation goes out the window when everyone can do huge damage on the big enemy while conserving resources on smaller enemies

[woven flint]

Don't have to be so hostile, I'm just talking character, dude

[ebon dome]

As a paladin my dm was upset I could do 4d8 at the start of the campaign (divine smite+two warhammers) and nerfed my dmg to 3d6 (we started at lvl 3)

🦖

[woven flint]

I wasn't ASKING for suggestions either.
I was just making chit-chat.

[knotty pasture]

Paladin not smiting actually doesn't hit that hard

[snow agate]

i didnt think it was hostile to leave it in your hands but you may believe what you want

[knotty pasture]

Like its still good damage for a martial but its no better without any modifiers

[raw ocean]

Take my suggestion or else, now give your character a kid with bone cancer and you have to cure them or else

[glass granite]

“I’m not your characters therapist figure it out” can come off as a lil hostile

[ebon dome]

Without smite what is a paladin to do

[woven flint]

Damnit

[echo agate]

Is there an usefulness to any of the gleaming armor?

[raw ocean]

The forced plot-line bandit strikes again

[snow agate]

if you want it to be

[woven flint]

I'm actually thinking,
He might've taken an oath of Celibacy to prevent whatever children he would've had from being influenced by lolth, he'd rather his entire species perish than for Lolth to have anymore puppets

Not that he wishes that

[remote wadi]

It still has uses as a tank who can also heal people in a pinch

My primary role in combat is either Stealth (with no sneak attacks and half of the team having poor stealth, disadvantage, or both. In simple terms, not many ways to actually leverage it with/for the team) or trying to dish out Piercing damage

[knotty pasture]

Wizard, Cleric and Bard cantrips don't scale half as well compared to martial weapons either, cuz there's nowhere as many weapons that buff cantrip damage as there are weapons that buff your melee/ranged damage output

[raw ocean]

Um, now his wife/husband gets bone cancer!

[glass granite]

He gets wet socks

[raw ocean]

Matter of fact, anyone he speaks to gets bone cancer

[knotty pasture]

Being a tank doesn't really exist in dnd unless the DM goes easy on you

[woven flint]

Never married 😔

[raw ocean]

@glass granite gets bone cancer then

[glass granite]

Oi

[woven flint]

That's ... not really funny 😭

[ebon dome]

I enjoy Aasimar it’s definitely my favorite paladin race

[glass granite]

Well, Tokii declared me not friend earlier today so…

[raw ocean]

Exactly, why would you do such a thing to nugget...

[glass granite]

I effing love Aasimar for paladin

[woven flint]

Ehhh.

[glass granite]

Particularly flying Aasimar

[runic saddle]

just having the halo is so fire

[glass granite]

Ikr. Add wings on top of that and the aesthetic goes crazy

[raw ocean]

Im about to play in a wild west campaign, should I give my character a terminal illness? [Yall know the what im saying]

[runic saddle]

lumbago?

[snow agate]

yep

[woven flint]

My favorite species for Paladin would honestly be Goliath tbh
I've only played one Goliath Pally but, I dig the vibes

[runic saddle]

rip uncle

[remote wadi]

By that point, wouldn't that be able to have AoE options? Or at least, have enough spell slots to warrant burning one or 2 in a good moment? (Also, another house rule is a MP system. Spell slots are now MP depending on what level, and you can more more MP to cast at high levels)

[runic saddle]

is there a decent way to do a barb unarmed?

[snow agate]

play beast barb

[twilit moat]

i made one just today

[remote wadi]

I.e. level 5 ranger has 9 MP from 5 lvl 1 slots and 2 level 2

[stuck shuttle]

You can also take the unarmed fighting fighting style with a feat fairly easily

[raw ocean]

If you guys had the chance, would you multi-class into every class at the same time?

[stuck shuttle]

No

[knotty pasture]

You're level 3 I don't think you should be throwing away your spell slots that willy nilly yet

[ebon dome]

Today I made my entire party freak out when the boss transformed so I decided, as a fallen aaismar to show that I can do that too for the first time

[limber trail]

If you want armed as in doesn’t have weapons, beast. If you want the typical fantasy of a boxer/wrestler barbarian who punches enemies to death…. Yeah you’re not gonna get that very well

[knotty pasture]

At higher levels you'd most likely have better equipment

[runic saddle]

yeah i was just thinking barb/monk but the obv str/dex break

[limber trail]

Not a chance that sounds awful

[knotty pasture]

(See my level 8 Gloom Stalker hitting like 90 on a boss in round 1)

[stuck shuttle]

Turn 1 bonuses go brr

[limber trail]

Barb and Monk don’t go together for a few reasons really. I would honestly just go monk and flavour it as that kind of character.

[knotty pasture]

The Cleric and Druid are certainly not outputting that much damage, and Fighter needs to spend Action Surge etc to match this damage at round 1

[snow agate]

in 5e your best option is basically just straight monk or straight beast barb. maybe moon druid if you want to be funny kind of unarmed.

[woven flint]

Nope.
To be completely honest, it's too gimmicky to actually be fun, you'd also have to have AT LEAST A 13 in every stat which would result in a pretty weak character..
The idea definitely is funny though!

[runic saddle]

mmm, yeah but i want barb as the main, or fighter if i need to

ill check beast barb

[limber trail]

Also you’d be such a low level that at level 12 you’d be maybe as effective as a level 3 character, just with the HP of a level 12 character

Your one saving grace is that you have level 4 spell slots but even then you can only upcast 1st level spells

[woven flint]

Heck, at level 14 it'd be worse if you consider Artificer and the upcoming Psion

[remote wadi]

I had to burn ensnaring strike on a mini boss that proceeded to die before it took effect
Hunter's Mark on the boss which gave a grand total of... 1 extra damage total

And Cure Wounds to heal our Wizard after being stabilized

[woven flint]

Don't even get a second level in ANY class until level 15!

[runic saddle]

beast barb counts as simple weap but im sure I could try to homebrew it in

[stuck shuttle]

Jack of all trades, master of none, not really apprentice of any either…

[woven flint]

Oh yeah, by the way..

KNOME!!!!
MY NEMESIS!!!

[remote wadi]

Yeah, no. I am taking Fighter subclass levels 6-11 (max level). Mono Ranger is NOT cutting it

[woven flint]

Oh, I was responding to the character with a level in every class question lol

[remote wadi]

Oh. My bad

[woven flint]

No worries

[stuck shuttle]

How much of the distinction matters to your idea? It just counts as a simple weapon mechanically, not narratively

[knotty pasture]

I'm talking about your spellcasters, at that level they shouldn't throw away spell slots that willy nilly yet

Also you don't need cure wounds on Ranger lol get Goodberry if you want to contribute to healing duties

[remote wadi]

Oh. Idk about the other spellcasters, but our wizard was largely busy with Silvery Barbs

[knotty pasture]

If you wanna multiclass into Fighter go for it

[runic saddle]

I basically wanted what is essentially a monk but in strength

[ebon dome]

Upcasting was something I took for granted until now I have a dm that doesn’t let us use spell slots, nevermind upcasting

[knotty pasture]

But I think you may be happier playing Paladin yourself or something lol

[runic saddle]

whatever go-arounds needed id try to accomodate

[stuck shuttle]

No spell slots? Do you spell points instead?

[ebon dome]

Nope

[runic saddle]

just like, punch stuff to death but in str

[ebon dome]

All anyone does is just only use their best spell every turn

Most boring combat I’ve had

[remote wadi]

I personally like to avoid doubling up in a class

And hey. I'll manage (hopefully) later on. This was just a really bad start and a harsh reminder if how much my existence in this mortal coil infuriates Lady Luck

[limber trail]

How does that work

[ebon dome]

Very very poorly

[limber trail]

No spell slots or upcasts?

[stuck shuttle]

Beast Barb is basically your main option. When you attack with your beastly anatomy it is still using your body narratively.

Otherwise your best bet is to pick up the Unarmed Fighting fighting style via a feat

[knotty pasture]

I am not looking forward to how you handle it later lol

[remote wadi]

How upcasting works?

[stuck shuttle]

That is certainly one of the homebrew decisions of all time

[limber trail]

All spells have a level, but some spells, you can expend a higher level spell slots when you cast them, and as a result they are a little stronger - typically more damage, or longer duration, or targets more creatures.

[runic saddle]

Gotcha and beast and unarmed stack or no?

[knotty pasture]

You cast a low level spell with a higher level spell slot, which often increases the spell's effectiveness

[remote wadi]

I know how it works, reread my comment to understand how terribly I worded it

[limber trail]

No I’m just physically not sure like, how that even works. What happens when you want to cast a spell?

[stuck shuttle]

Nope, you use one formula or the other

[knotty pasture]

Ensnaring Strike deals more damage if you use a level 2+ spell slot instead of level 1

[runic saddle]

alright, thank you star

[remote wadi]

I was trying to ask knome "were you asking for how upcasting works?"

But my brain is just melted at this point

[knotty pasture]

I'll try to beat a whole campaign as a monoclass Gloom Stalker Ranger and get back to you on it

[ebon dome]

You just kinda do, no requirements needed and you can do it as much times in a row as you like

[stuck shuttle]

Or I guess to be specific, if you have 2 things overriding your unarmed damage you choose only one unless one of the features specifically says it stacks

[knotty pasture]

But by level 8 Gloom Ranger is the main ranged dps of the team, tied with Echo Knight Fighter

[ebon dome]

Someone literally only uses a nerfed fireball

Im not even sure they have another spell atp

[stuck shuttle]

1. Rip to all your martials
2. all the high level spells are bout to be even crazier

[remote wadi]

I am probably not going to go past level 5 for Ranger before taking Fighter levels

[knotty pasture]

Twilight Cleric's... doing his best I think, good aoe

[limber trail]

Oh so you can just spam 5th level spells as long as you have them?

[knotty pasture]

Spores Druid is harassing the enemy with four zombies, two eagles and a wolf

[ebon dome]

Yep

[stuck shuttle]

Does your DM at least track concentration?

[knotty pasture]

Also Spores Druid can't die so that's funny too

[remote wadi]

So how much is the difference between level 5 gloomstalker and level 8?

[ebon dome]

Nope

[stuck shuttle]

Oh… oh no

[limber trail]

…what made this individual look at DnD balancing and decide to buff casters of all things?

[knotty pasture]

Not a lot, the biggest thing is Ranger getting extra attack which really pumps up round 1 damage output

[ebon dome]

People are for sure taking full advantage of it

[stuck shuttle]

lol like one of the few things the game says to be careful messing with and your DM just defenestrates it

[vast pelican]

That's actually insane

[knotty pasture]

But level 6 is whatever, level 7 is proficiency in wisdom saves but everything dies in 3 turns so that rarely comes to play, level 8 I picked Piercer

[ebon dome]

I’m the only person 6 sessions in to use anything besides a spell

[remote wadi]

So would taking 5 Ranger and 6 Fighter levels be a good call? That feels like a good balance for end game (level 11)

[runic saddle]

melee go boom almost every turn, caster go BOOM almost every turn with limits

[remote wadi]

Because that IS three attacks per action

[knotty pasture]

I'd just go 10 Ranger 1 Fighter or 8 Ranger 4 Fighter or something

Extra attack doesn't stack with itself

[stuck shuttle]

Time to spam all my undead making spells

[knotty pasture]

The three attacks would have come from Dread Ambusher's free attack + Ranger's two attacks baseline

[remote wadi]

Then why do you get more extra attacks as you level up?

[vast pelican]

Fighter does, no one else

[knotty pasture]

Only Fighter gets more extra attacks on level up, but you can't multiclass Ranger 5 Fighter 5 and hope to get 3 attacks

[stuck shuttle]

I really hope the answer is yes, but does your DM track components and casting times either??

[limber trail]

How do you arrive at three?

[ebon dome]

There’s someone who just does raise dead every turn

[remote wadi]

I don't see why that wouldn't be possible, but that is a massive bummer

[knotty pasture]

Because RAW

[remote wadi]

RAW?

[stuck shuttle]

Rules as written

[knotty pasture]

Rules as Written, otherwise you can just stack a bunch of martials at level 5 and get like a bazillion attacks

[ebon dome]

Nope and to make it even better effect spells like a hunters mark last the entire encounter

[remote wadi]

So in other words

[stuck shuttle]

Alright 3 cheers for Calvinball at that point

[remote wadi]

I'm only getting 2 attacks tops

[vast pelican]

Kinda like hoping all the deck chairs on the Titanic are in order.

[knotty pasture]

10 Ranger 1 Fighter or 8 Ranger 4 Fighter, or 3 Ranger 9 Fighter?

[remote wadi]

What is it with DnD today and just saying "nuh uh" to every time I'm trying to think outside the box?

[ebon dome]

The dm said that we’re getting level 20 during the campaign as well

[knotty pasture]

No its to avoid cheesing

[limber trail]

You can get three by just going fighter, or by going warlock pact of the blade, or by using the Nick mastery property. There are also some other situational ways to get third attacks especially if you wanna use your bonus action, such as monks.

[ebon dome]

Now that will be interesting

[vast pelican]

Multiclassing is prone to lots of cheese and needs limits like these

[remote wadi]

Which i suppose it makes sense

But at this point, I'm needing all the help I can get. And that news flash out a small damper on my plans

[limber trail]

DnD tends to try to be resilient to most breakages of it.

[remote wadi]

Although not as bad as me realizing that I don't have many options for ranged opportunity attacks

[limber trail]

You can also just play a fighter and get a 3rd attack at level 11 though

[vast pelican]

Wizards struggles enough to make 13 classes each with several subclasses look balanced. With multiclassing, the system then has to maintain balance between hundreds of class combinations with various level distributions.

[ebon dome]

My dm was very very upset that at level five I got an extra attack as a paladin after saying it would be fine if I had it bc apparently he thought the extra attack could only be a cantrip

[remote wadi]

What about 8 Ranger, 3 Fighter?

[limber trail]

Why is your DM nerfing martials

Okay seriously I have to ask, has your DM played DnD beyond level 4 before as a player?

[ebon dome]

He’s been lvl 15 before ik that for sure

[vast pelican]

Ranger could certainly benefit from a proper set of Battlemaster maneuvers.

[ebon dome]

Atp I’m convinced he wants the game to be only spells

He even nerfed my warhammers from 2d8 to 2d6

[limber trail]

I truly do not understand how someone could play level 15 DnD and decide martials need a nerf

[limber trail]

Well a warhammer is only a d8 or a d10 so that is fair

[vast pelican]

I'm not aware of a weapon that does 2d8 base damage.

[ebon dome]

It’s the only fair nerf he’s given so far

[limber trail]

There are none bar magic items that increase base damage

[remote wadi]

Aaaaaand I'm back from seeing how crappy Ranger's mid level upgrades are

[ebon dome]

Oh wait I forgot to mention it was two warhammers and I had the dual wield feat

[remote wadi]

Perfect

[vast pelican]

Wait...

You mean he nerfed them to 1d6?

[limber trail]

What do you have that made the warhammer 2d8 damage?

[ebon dome]

Yea

[limber trail]

oh, oh

[vast pelican]

I'm taking exhaustion levels from this testimony.

[limber trail]

Okay Deehammer, I think you should consider finding a new DM

[remote wadi]

@knotty pasture You know, I'm starting to see why you said you would hate to see if/how I got through this

I've been grasping at straws all day today

[ebon dome]

I honestly might atp especially because I haven’t even started on the fact that my dm doesn’t use armor class

[limber trail]

WHAT

[vast pelican]

This guy, uh, isn't running D&D.

[ebon dome]

He rolls a d20 and makes up if it hits based off the vibe of the number

I missed on a 14 and hit on an 11 the next turn on the same enemy

And players don’t get armor class at all

How fun

[vast pelican]

Is...is the adventure fun at all?

[remote wadi]

Ugh, I could just cry seeing this

[limber trail]

sincerely, please, find a new DM, this guy does not sounds fair to you at all as a player and I think you could have a much better time with other groups

[remote wadi]

Somebody please help me

[glass granite]

Sure, what is it?

[ebon dome]

It’s like a ripoff animal women version of Alice in wonderland

[remote wadi]

The "I regret everything, can I reroll my character irl?" type of help me

Playing 2014 Ranger is hell

[knotty pasture]

Just do Ranger 3 Fighter 9 if you dislike Fighter, but in general martials do suffer from having bad weapon selection too

Cuz their damage output directly scales with how good your equipment is

[glass granite]

You can do 1d8+1d6+14 damage in one attack, with a +3 to hit after that. I feel no need to regret stuff (PLUS you get expertise and spells).

[remote wadi]

I unfortunately found out that if I do choose that my spell scaling will suck

[limber trail]

are you enjoying it? Are you enjoying it enough to feel like you couldn't get a better experience at another table?

[vast pelican]

I encourage you to do what's best for your own enjoyment of the hobby in particular and your free time in general.

[glass granite]

(Granted, with hunters mark)

[vast pelican]

Were I in your shoes, that would mean I would leave the table and never look back.

[ebon dome]

Considering my dm let the other players jump me because I had a ring someone wanted that was needed for progessing the campaign, no not rlly

[limber trail]

Please just leave

[remote wadi]

That's a lot of investment for an enemy who is lucky to live after it's third turn

[glass granite]

It’s the same investment as a paladin smite

[limber trail]

Sincerely, greener pastures exist, I strongly believe you can have more fun with another group

[remote wadi]

...and a Paladin Smite is largely saved for crits or just subbed out for healing

[vast pelican]

Hunter's Mark transfers for free on a bonus action.

[glass granite]

You don’t HAVE to hunters mark here, you know. Plus this is for as many attacks as the enemy’s alive, not just once. You only lose an average of 3.5 a turn , and you con concentrate on smt else.

[limber trail]

hunter's mark at level 1 can be up to 10d6 damage over 10 rounds

[remote wadi]

2014 rules, spell slot

[ebon dome]

Tbh I only haven’t left because everyone there is my friends and I see them at school daily

[limber trail]

oh I see

[knotty pasture]

Ranger spells doesn't really matter that much anyways, like there's good ones ofc but you can also survive with just throwing down Entangle or saving your spell slots for Absorb Elements

[limber trail]

that's a rough spot yeah

[limber trail]

in 2014 rules you can transfer it as a bonus action

[knotty pasture]

There's some nice level 2 spells but not mandatory

[vast pelican]

No, 2014 is also free with a bonus action

[limber trail]

"If the target drops to 0 hit points before this spell ends, you can use a bonus action on a subsequent turn of yours to mark a new creature." directly from the 2024 PHB

[glass granite]

Ranger doesn’t scale too well, but at level 2? It’s not that bad.

[remote wadi]

I'm saying it requires me to actually use a spell slot

[ebon dome]

But on the other hand I don’t really care for the campaign or the random catgirls he puts in there

[remote wadi]

We're at level 3 now

[limber trail]

to cast it the first time yes, but after that it just stays up

[vast pelican]

And it stays up for an hour

[glass granite]

You haven’t stopped scaling yet. Around after level 5

Actually, rangers aren’t half bad at level three. Gloomstalker slaps

[remote wadi]

Which, again

That's 3 different d6 dice over the course of an entire boss fight

That's assuming I land all 3 attacks

[vast pelican]

Ultimately, if you aren't enjoying the ranger class, then you should do a different class.

[glass granite]

Yeah
But I also feel like this isn’t just a ranger issue

[vast pelican]

But it is not one that lags behind at level 3.

[limber trail]

Ranger is honestly probably better upfront, and it's at later levels that it falls off a little

[vast pelican]

At level 3, most other classes will deal less damage per turn compared to a ranger.

[glass granite]

Eh, for 2014 I’d say mid levels it falls off compared to others

[limber trail]

At level 3 the extra D6 is great

[limber trail]

mid to later, sure, I'm not as familiar with higher level ranger play to be fair

[glass granite]

But I do agree, early game they’re not weak at all

[remote wadi]

That's why I was brainstorming Fighter sub class

But then I realized that 5 and 6 wasn't good because those extra attacks don't stack
And then 3 Ranger, 8 fighter also was a bad idea because that means ill be stuck with 3 level 1 spells
And then 8 and 3 also was not an easy choice because now I have plenty of level 1 and 2 spells that do not stack well against other spellcasters

[knotty pasture]

Its only T4 that they may struggle, Ranger still packs a wallop in T3 games

Or 4 Ranger 7 Fighter btw

[remote wadi]

So I am way ahead of you, yet I am still boned

[limber trail]

If you really dislike ranger, I would suggest talking to your DM about changing your class

[knotty pasture]

Disillusioned about Ranger more like lol

Homebrew rules didn't help with showcasing the terrors of Gloom Stalker Ranger

[limber trail]

Most rangers can pretty easily transfer over to a rogue or fighter

[remote wadi]

At this point, I am considering much more than that
But that's not for here

[vast pelican]

Whether that means retiring the character and bringing in a new one, or simply handwaving that this character has always been a fighter.

[glass granite]

I think if you’d just give Ranger a moment till you aren’t comparing yourself to three allies who crit (with a homebrew rule that makes crits broken) while you rolled poorly, you’d find they’re not actually bad

[ebon dome]

I’m kinda really upset that my dm isn’t great because I really love my character and I even made the background fit perfectly with the story

[glass granite]

Oof that’s rough

[remote wadi]

I'd really have to see it to believe it

But I said the same thing about Paladin crits, and look where that got me

[glass granite]

Idk where that got you

[limber trail]

it unfortunately can be a common experience in TTRPG spaces that you have campaigns which are worse than their components, but it is life

[remote wadi]

Read this part again for where that got me

[runic saddle]

balling big time>

[remote wadi]

In case you didn't get it Paladin crit twice. Did easily half the boss hp, lowballing it

[ebon dome]

I never thought I would get a worse dm than the dm that let players play (and level up) with only one player at a session but I was so wrong

[remote wadi]

Huh?

[glass granite]

Does that not prove my point even more?

[vast pelican]

I think a better DM would be lucky to have a player such as yourself.

[ebon dome]

It can’t get worse than the dm I have now right

[runic saddle]

BALLIN BIG TIME

[remote wadi]

I'm saying that i really am not hearing about why it is good, nor am I seeing it

[glass granite]

Imma be honest, yes only by technicality. But realistically? No.

[vast pelican]

It's technically possible but exceedingly unlikely.

[limber trail]

it can always get worse but sometimes it can get a lot better too

[vast pelican]

A worse DM would have to be, like, creeping on their players OOC or something.

[knotty pasture]

Because homebrew rules are undermining the true power of Gloom Stalker, and you're blaming the wrong thing by equating bad rolls with a class being bad (on top of not listening to anyone tbf)

If I'm playing Twilight Cleric (one of the strongest classes overall in the whole game) but I kept rolling nat 1s on Guiding Bolt which caused me to do nothing for a fight, does that make Twilight Cleric the worst class

[ebon dome]

Tbh lot better at this point would just be someone who did armor class and spell slots

[limber trail]

yeah at this point the base level for a DM would be a lot better

[runic saddle]

twilight cleric it is then

[glass granite]

Does…(gimme a bit for math)
3d8+2d6+28 potential damage (assuming a +3 to hit lands twice) sound good for your first turn?

[knotty pasture]

If this is really about venting bad rolls then this whole convo has never been more pointless than ever lol

[remote wadi]

I get your point, but your nat 1s are purely hypothetical. My situation is somehow more unlikely, yet somehow now reality

[humble cairn]

Yeah you're letting one instance affect your entire opinion and not realizing that is was basically the numbers not going your way, plus homebrew that disproportionally enhances people rolling handfuls of dice.

[remote wadi]

Where are you getting this from?

[glass granite]

Well you’re a gloomstaler Ranger, correct? Or Ami misremembering

[knotty pasture]

How is this any more hypothetical than yours, I once rolled three nat 1s in a role over lockpicking a dc10 chest, bad streaks happen to anyone at any moment

[humble cairn]

In every character's life there will be times when the dice don't go their way.

[remote wadi]

...that is correct

[runic saddle]

get lucky then

[knotty pasture]

And I was going Soulknife Rogue too, the Rogue subclass that excels in utility

God forbid I call Soulknife Rogue bad right there because it failed to do the one thing it should do right

[humble cairn]

Also don't use the Sharpshooter power attack unless you have something else helping your accuracy, because you will make your miss chance way higher than it should be.

[limber trail]

also to be honest, if you roll super bad frequently, you could play a spellcaster, which generally just roll less dice because they have more saves

[remote wadi]

Genuine question, though. Was this at the level where that one ability of Rogues autopasssing certain DCs is a thing?

[glass granite]

First thing, cast hunters mark
Second thing, first attack! I assume longbow.
1d8+1d6+14
Third thing, gloomstalker extra attack!
1d8+1d8+1d6+14!
So, 3d8+2d6+28 assuming all hit

[knotty pasture]

Before that level, but Soulknife Rogues have all the tools and help in the world to pass even dc30 checks easily

[remote wadi]

Whats the 14 from?

[vast pelican]

Sharpshooter plus dex mod

[glass granite]

Sharpshooter + Dex

[remote wadi]

Then please talk it out amongst yourselves

[glass granite]

Hm?

[remote wadi]

Because one person is telling me what dice look like with SS
and the other is close to begging me not to use it

[glass granite]

Ah, Ophid

[knotty pasture]

Just do what you want lol its your game

[humble cairn]

Except if you have something helping it, like Faerie Fire or Entangle.

[vast pelican]

Advantage is huge

[remote wadi]

How does Entangle help again?

[glass granite]

I’m saying potential damage, not what you HAVE to do. That’s the max you can do.

[remote wadi]

Oh

[humble cairn]

Restrained condition on enemy = Advantage to attack them.

[knotty pasture]

You get advantage when attacking entangled enemies

Its why Ensnaring Strike is actually pretty decent

[remote wadi]

And Entangle is a first level spell?

[vast pelican]

Yes

[limber trail]

yes

[humble cairn]

Yes

[remote wadi]

And Ensnaring Strike also does restrain?

[vast pelican]

It's a great pick for rangers

[ebon dome]

Is it bad that the lowest cha someone has in the campaign im playing is +7

[knotty pasture]

Yes

[limber trail]

huh

[humble cairn]

Ensnaring Strike also restrains, yes.

[limber trail]

What's their charisma score?

[knotty pasture]

But Ensnaring Strike is single target, while Entangle also slows the enemy on top of making them possibly get restrained

[remote wadi]

Well

I'm starting to see why Hunter's Mark was a terrible idea

[limber trail]

hunter's mark is great

[knotty pasture]

Its not the worst if you want raw damage output

[ebon dome]

24

[limber trail]

..how

[knotty pasture]

One Hunter's Mark cast lasts you for the whole fight

[vast pelican]

Hunter's mark is great when you have another caster to do battlefield control

[humble cairn]

Hunter's Mark is ... fine, but you do have to know when to use it versus something else.

[remote wadi]

It is, but not when they don't last long anyways

At that point, I feel like getting advantage would have been better

[knotty pasture]

Entangle could be evaded in larger rooms with no chokepoints

[ebon dome]

Dm saw that stats max at 20
Dm changes it
Dm made it so stats max at +20

[knotty pasture]

Lmao what is this homebrewing

[glass granite]

Even then, how do they even get that high from character creation

[knotty pasture]

50 str Barbs here we go

[humble cairn]

Accuracy adds to overall damage.

[limber trail]

yeah but physically like that's such a high mod, did you all change how stats are rolled?

[limber trail]

50 str barbs*

[knotty pasture]

Yeah I realized too late

[humble cairn]

Because missing your attack detracts from your overall damage.

[remote wadi]

Which is why I was saying Hunter's Mark was not a good idea vs that boss

[knotty pasture]

If the boss is resistant or immune to restrained, Hunter's Mark is your only choice

[remote wadi]

And we're back at square one

[ebon dome]

Every level the dm gives +6 to any stats and at the start we had 10 in every stat with 18 that you can put in other stats plus any race/anything else buffs

[glass granite]

Ahahahahahhahahah
Leave.

[knotty pasture]

Its a level 1 spell lol they can't be all powerful, very few level 1 spells have that effectiveness

[remote wadi]

Give me a big fat break...

[glass granite]

Very well, we won’t press it

[knotty pasture]

Alright Gloom Stalker Ranger sucks, brb changing my Ranger to Horizon Walker instead

[limber trail]

lmao

[humble cairn]

Was the boss immune to restrained?

[ebon dome]

In case anyone was wondering +14 cha at lvl 5 is very broken

[remote wadi]

Not saying to stop. Was just annoyed because getting a small leg up feels impossible at this rate

[limber trail]

wait no i need to ask

does your DM roll saving throws

[remote wadi]

I do not know. All I know was that it did not heal from thunder damage and I got a nat 1 on my next initiative for it

[ebon dome]

Sometimes on nothing sometimes on everything

[glass granite]

It’s because you’re complaining about something that’s purely there because of luck, and you’re slandering a class that’s frankly overhated. People aren’t gonna love it.

[limber trail]

Dee truly I hope you find a better game out there

[glass granite]

I second this with ALL my heart

[humble cairn]

Ok so the comment about the boss being immune to restrained doesn't matter, it was just someone bringing up a niche hypothetical.

[remote wadi]

Well, I mean... my options are not that prevalent as Ranger

Too many levels into Fighter, stuck with 3 level 1 spells
Not enough, stuck with niche spells
No extra attack stacking
Bosses inherently being strong and resistant to stuff

[ebon dome]

Aka during today’s session someone had to roll a check for moving during a fight to get closer to the enemy then failed and becuase the way the dm does stats it promotes single high level stats, he had a -2 dex, slipped into a wall, and took 1d8 dmg

[knotty pasture]

Correction, slandering something with poor elaboration beyond what feels like "my teammates all rolled three nat 20s in a roll, and I keep getting nat 2s"

Not even Twilight Cleric looks good with those rolls...

[humble cairn]

You could also angle for a magic bow, that could help, too.

[remote wadi]

Well, it just feels like actually making ranger work out outside of mediocrity is both unlikely and easy to beat

[humble cairn]

sigh

[knotty pasture]

Its very likely, say that to my Ranger lol

It out-DPSing the whole team at turn 1 in a combat scenario where fights end in 3 turns is huge

[humble cairn]

And I think you're incorrect about that, but if you're going to just judge based on this one incident, then go ahead I guess.

[knotty pasture]

Echo Knight could out-DPS my Gloom Stalker but needs to spend their echo die or whatever its called for extra attacks

[glass granite]

Like. You got archery and sharpshooter, and gloomstalker. You’re already here.
Tho, may I suggest three levels in assassin? Big damage for the first turn

[knotty pasture]

And those are regained on a long rest

[ebon dome]

Atp a dm that makes us fight a tarrasque at level 5 is better than this

[remote wadi]

Like, I COULD try to save and invest into a hunting rifle, alongside the Gunner feat

But then I remember "I'm in Curse of Strahd and nearly got my crap kicked in by enemies who were resistant or immune to piercing damage"

[glass granite]

At least there you can run

[raw ocean]

What type of check is that bro

[knotty pasture]

Curse of Strahd?

[raw ocean]

"Roll to do a basic bodily function"

[knotty pasture]

Go Oathbreaker to trivalize the whole campaign lolol

[remote wadi]

Yeah. Banshees and Shadows, oh what fun

[remote wadi]

Someone else already is a Paladin. And I don't need them breaking fights more than they already did

[ebon dome]

Roll to breath atp

[remote wadi]

One was enough for this campaign and the next

[knotty pasture]

They could as Oathbreaker, iirc at the late game you can straight up control the final boss with Control Undead

[ebon dome]

Oh you tried to breath but you forgot that’s 3d8

[remote wadi]

Do not give them ideas, please-

[humble cairn]

Did you already level up to your subclass?

[raw ocean]

I hate it when I join a new game and a player tries to attack my character

[knotty pasture]

Oathbreaker's probably the only class where it needs to be banned in Strahd

Or Control Undead needs to be nerfed for that campaign

[raw ocean]

“Does an 18 hit?”

[ebon dome]

I just hate player fights in general

[humble cairn]

And if you're Gloomstalker, are you using 2014 or 2024?

[ebon dome]

Legit net negative

[remote wadi]

Yes

[raw ocean]

Accidentally lit a slime on fire trying to get it off of another players head, then they rolled to hit me

Like, are we fr?

[humble cairn]

Gloomstalker? 2014 or 2024?

[remote wadi]

5e

[ebon dome]

They just want an excuse to jump you at that point

[humble cairn]

2014 or 2024? Because they are both 5E

[glass granite]

2014

[ebon dome]

How dastardly! How dare you protect me!

[remote wadi]

2014. Trying to type w one hand isnt easy

[raw ocean]

I love meeting a “Mr. Tough Guy” character in campaigns I play!

I’m literally your party member, why are you calling me a “foolish adventurer”

[remote wadi]

If 2024, would say 5.5

[runic saddle]

why they even put a small slime in strahd campaign lol

[humble cairn]

Ok and is being in the dark something you feel like you're going to be able to do often?

[ebon dome]

Then they jst ignore everything you have to say

[raw ocean]

Then when my character rightfully clap backs later on, they bring it up to the table on “basic manners”

[remote wadi]

It's likely something I will do often.

Which also is a little annoying because despite being the only one without night vision at that moment, they decided to cast the light source on the bard... twice...

[glass granite]

My monk prefers a “hands on” approach to manners (pun intended)

Flank out, the enemies can’t see you anyway

[humble cairn]

Does the rest of your party have darkvision?

Because if so, you're going to want them to stop casting Light or having torches.

[raw ocean]

The day I see a party with no dark vision members, is literally the day I see that

[knotty pasture]

Twilight Cleric would be a delight in this campaign

[humble cairn]

From gaining Gloomstalker on forward you're basically never going to want light sources.

[knotty pasture]

All my PCs have some form of darkvision, makes possible campaigns with the five quite interesting since everyone could see just fine

[ebon dome]

I just remembered during my session today the most cooked thing happened

[glass granite]

It seems they’re not that…bright

[ebon dome]

For some reason two people wanted to jump me

[humble cairn]

Yeah, party members that hinder you are very annoying.

[subtle orchid]

darkvision is still worse than a torch

[knotty pasture]

Are you in a pvp campaign lol I was so focused on Bloodline's rant that I wasn't paying attention elsewhere

[ebon dome]

And one of them summoned a zombie and the other is really close with another, making it a 4v1

Then when they tried to jump me I casted hold person on one and tried to divine smite another and he legit just said “actually I’m a child of god that doesn’t hit me” while he is literally playing a blob of slime and the dm agreed with him because it was “funny” then they proceeded to just kill me before my turn because paladin without divine smite at lvl 5 cannot win a 4v1 while nerfed

[knotty pasture]

Torches tell the whole world where you are

[glass granite]

Wow
This is giving me confidence that I’m not a bad DM. Thank you.

Much needed self esteem buff

[ebon dome]

If that helped then so will the fact the dm didn’t let me try to dodge a single one of those attacks

[glass granite]

Ok now I’m starting to take psychic damage

[knotty pasture]

I mean why are you staying in a pvp campaign again anyways

[ebon dome]

I asked to dodge and the dm said I couldn’t

[knotty pasture]

Especially one that is 4v1

Sounds like they just want to ban you from the campaign without it being explicitly clear

[ebon dome]

They legit just randomly jump people

[knotty pasture]

I think you should just leave

[ebon dome]

Almost every party member has died at least once from another so far

[ebon dome]

The only reason I havent is because I go to school and see everyone there daily

Otherwise I would legit just ghost them

[knotty pasture]

You could just ghost them lol

[ebon dome]

I sit next to one of them in a class tho so I can’t

Actually in most classes

[raw ocean]

Just use the secret technique

Lie and say you have more stuff to do in life

[ebon dome]

Trueee

[raw ocean]

"Some stuff’s come up at home that I need to focus on, so I can’t commit to the game right now. I really appreciate you letting me play, though."

[remote wadi]

Yes. But with me being level 3 and getting dark vision, this was more me getting annoyed at the reason that they casted the light source on someone else other than the only one who actually needed it was "Didn't think of it at the moment"

[glass granite]

Or simply
“Sorry, I think we have different expectations on what this game would be like, and it’s simply not for me. Hope yall have fun though!”

No need to lie tbh

[raw ocean]

Well this dude is dealing with IRL people he wants to stay in good relationships with

[humble cairn]

Ok but you do know that light is now going to be your biggest annoyance.

[raw ocean]

Ignorance is bliss in my personal opinion

[remote wadi]

Explain how, please

[humble cairn]

Being in the dark is going to be one of your easiest ways to gain Advantage on your attacks now.

But if someone with a torch comes near you, that goes away.

Unless your DM starts throwing a whole bunch of enemies with added blindsight at you.

[glass granite]

If you all can see in the dark, light also isn’t necessary. In fact it just reveals your location

[remote wadi]

I see...

Well, for Ranger, there is still one hope for me yet

[glass granite]

-# A Progress

[remote wadi]

That being investing in a hunting rifle and finding a way to get some sort of ammunition to overcome resistances and immunities

[humble cairn]

If you get a magic gun that should be fine in the 2014 rules.

[raw ocean]

Campaign I just left, session 1 a player had an anti-matter rifle

[remote wadi]

Not sure how it would differ vs a hunting rifle

[humble cairn]

I mean a hunting rifle that is also magical.

[remote wadi]

But it would be a good turnaround from where I'm at currently

[ebon dome]

In the campaign im in someone legit just pulled a nuke out of nowhere and blew themselves up bc they didn’t want to play anymore

[glass granite]

A lot of things resistant to piercing is specifically resistant to piercing attacks from non magical weapons

[remote wadi]

2d10 piercing damage is soooo much better than 1d8

[ebon dome]

They for some reason all hate him for it

[humble cairn]

Wait, is your DM allowing guns and even if so are they allowing those guns? Because aren't those the modern weapons?

[glass granite]

Good luck affording it tho

And ye, what Ophid said

[raw ocean]

The humble rope trick:

[glass granite]

Like, I get if you want to start combat off with a bang, but make sure it’s legal first

[remote wadi]

Apparently so, yes

[glass granite]

I shudder to imagine the cost

[remote wadi]

Do NOT send me back to square one with this, I'm begging you

[glass granite]

Hi begging you, I’m Nugget!

[remote wadi]

Ugh...

[raw ocean]

I will allow guns in any campaign if my players spend 3 in-game years inventing the mechanics of guns and discovering gun powder

[glass granite]

I allow them in my campaign, albeit the damage is nerfed

[remote wadi]

I can't send the GIF of Wario holding up the Bobomb

[humble cairn]

Wait a minute .. the Paladin crit with a javelin attack? Was that a thrown attack or melee?

[remote wadi]

Thrown, I think

[humble cairn]

And they Divine Smite on that attack?

[remote wadi]

That is correct

[raw ocean]

I allow full damage, that backfire feels so sweet when it hits

[humble cairn]

That was not legal in 2014. It changed to be legal in 2024.

[remote wadi]

Why?

[knotty pasture]

I don't think a gun is gonna solve your issues as Ranger lol

[ebon dome]

Can you divine smite on both your weapons

[humble cairn]

In the 2014 rules, Paladins could not Divine Smite on a thrown javelin attack.

[ebon dome]

No, right

[humble cairn]

It had to be a melee attack.

[remote wadi]

Divine Smites can't be done from a thrown attack in 2014? Either this is a house rule or not thought through. Either way, I will bring this up to the dm

[humble cairn]

Nope they could not.

[glass granite]

In 2014 it specifies melee weapon attack
In 2024 its an attack with a melee weapon

[glass granite]

You’d know, you’ve made a thrown weapon paladin right?

[humble cairn]

Yes

[ebon dome]

Dungeon masters, am I right

[glass granite]

2014 or 2024?

[raw ocean]

I actually put divine smite on the air, gauranteed hit

[glass granite]

Wait wdym both weapons?

[ebon dome]

Like two warhammers

[glass granite]

Like, you can use it on any weapon you can hold and is a melee weapon

[ebon dome]

2024

[glass granite]

Ah, no

Well, wait
Do you mean in one turn?

Or like, you can use it in any of them? Cuz as long as you can hold it and it’s a melee weapon, you can smite with it

[ebon dome]

Yea like can I divine smite on both of them on the same turn so they both do the extra dmg

[glass granite]

Nope, you don’t have two bonus actions

[raw ocean]

Forge domain cleric getting immunity to fire is quite cool

[glass granite]

I like forge domain

[remote wadi]

So, I brought it up to the DM and will update you with a response

And sorry about how I acted today. It's a double whammy of a lot of problems irl and seeing your one "me time" a week get unfathomably twisted by nigh impossible odds

[ebon dome]

Tbh I kinda want to play a monk or a ranger

[raw ocean]

Can't wait to play my nightwatcher sentinel fighter

Im about to have the battle field locked down

[glass granite]

MONK

[raw ocean]

Rangers are an enigma to me, I have never played with one

[ebon dome]

Dming again kinda sounds like fun bc then the rules would actually make since

[ebon dome]

I played with one before but they only used spells

[remote wadi]

Forgot to reply

1. I need all the help I can get at this rate
2. Worst comes to worst, I'll make another deal with the figurative devil

[raw ocean]

Closest thing to a ranger I have ever played with has been a rogue scout that used crossbows from far distances

Wood elf too

[ebon dome]

Closest thing to a ranger I played was a wizard that had telekinesis and I used an arrow to be yondu from guardians of the galaxy

[knotty badge]

hello

[raw ocean]

Ranger slander, getting reduced to just a person who uses arrows from far away

What do rangers even do outside of sniping?

Like what's their unique thing?

[ebon dome]

Shooting bows is pretty much it

[raw ocean]

So fighers but long range?

[ebon dome]

They also get good spells

[raw ocean]

So fighter druid hyrbid?

[vast pelican]

Kinda

[raw ocean]

Im slandering ranger too much...

[vast pelican]

Fighter-druid-rogue

[raw ocean]

Paladin might as well be a fighter/cleric combo too

[ebon dome]

As a paladin main, yep

[raw ocean]

"I want to help my party, but I don't want to be sitting in the back line"

[ebon dome]

My dm hated the fact that paladins can heal

Bro nerfed it from +5 a level to a d4 a level

[raw ocean]

If my DM is going to nerf my entire class, he better offer me a class switch chance beforehand

[ebon dome]

Tbh he was just nerfing me in particular

[raw ocean]

Did you leave the campaign?

[ebon dome]

All my things that did d8 were lowered to d6

[ebon dome]

I’m not showing up again probally

[raw ocean]

hell yeah!

[ebon dome]

Are good dms hard to find or do I just have bad luck

[raw ocean]

Most of the good DM's are already DMing for close friends or people that want to play with them again

So yes, good DM's are quite hard to find

[ebon dome]

How fun

[vast pelican]

I haven't had any issues there. It just takes time to find a table with seats available.

[raw ocean]

I have been through 36 tables

[ebon dome]

I waited a month to get into this party

[raw ocean]

37 counting the one I just left today

[knotty pasture]

Just a bit of everything, it has a fair amount of concentration spells that are related to buffing or aoe control for the most part, could transition into being a skill monkey

Like a more flexible Fighter in that regard

[ebon dome]

Legit once I got in and the dm said everything I had was fine I was so excited until the bad parts didn’t stop happening

[raw ocean]

No wonder why I never see anyone play them

It's like a druid/fighter/cleric hybrid