dnd-discussion

[fossil hollow]

that sounds like a session 0 topic

[raw ocean]

When do we get a spell that gives people lactose intolerance?

[eager marsh]

probably hits is very much not how the rules work. The DM has to say hit or miss correctly. The difference is when the DM says 'hits' vs 'thats a 27 to hit' because a player hearing the firmer is more likely to cast shield without realizing it doesnt help, as opposed to the latter where they wouldnt waste the cast

[gaunt roost]

but lets be honest, being all ambigious and just going "yeah I hit you no I dont care you have AC 38 I rolled high enough trust me bro" can lead to hostility in a heated battle, and hostility can lead to bad blood if not adressed

[fossil hollow]

you wont stop me from eating dairy

[raw ocean]

The DM looking at you with a completely serious face and asking if a 27 hits:

[snow agate]

"why yes i do pass every saving throw you target the boss with, yes this is random chance -"

[fossil hollow]

again, that sounds like a session 0 topic

[eager marsh]

you're misunderstanding what i said. I'm not refering to genuinely bad DMs not following the rules. I'm referring to the fact that the transparency of what the enemy rolled not being in the rules formally

[fallow onyx]

(Vampire marking its most powerful vampire spawn)

Id like to use markings to show the age/power of future servants, and i need help deciding how to do it.

My first idea was symbols of sme kind, though i couldnt find many that were at all meaningful to me, thats where i got the idea for shapes.
E.g. 1 = circle 2 = digon 3 = triangle 4 = square
and so on

Though i just had another idea of maybe rings around the neck? Or many limbs? one ring for one two rings for two, something akin to that... im having a tough time figuring it out. 🥹 advice ? thank u

[rough basalt]

I fudge my open rolls against players

[snow agate]

just give them drippy jewelry or clothes

[rough basalt]

By using the Force, I can roll what I desire

[gaunt roost]

"The elder brain dragon appreciates your contributes to their living bone wall they are doing for the black dragon int he neighbourhood. You have a pleasent talk while being installed as a central component"

[eager marsh]

I am of the opinion that the value a creature rolls as well as if they rolled a Nat 20 for attack rolls should be publicly stated when I DM because it makes players with Shield or Silvery Barbs feel better about being able to use their features to save themselves or an ally.

[snow agate]

"i didnt consent to this, you cant just grab me and use me without my consent"

[fallow onyx]

unfortunately the relationship between true vamp and its spawn mean they dont deserve a gift that prestigious

[raw ocean]

Angering a dragon by sneaking fake treasure into their pile so they get called broke by their other dragon buddies

[rough basalt]

I just do the one simple trick that renders players low hp and out of resources

[snow agate]

mean vampire

[rough basalt]

Only roll hits and only roll at least average damage but mostly high to max cause my dm dice want dead pcs

[snow agate]

also how uncivilized

[marble lion]

i usually share the result of the attack rolls, but when i know my players AC and know noone can stop this and also have already told them some numbers so they grasp the chances here (28 sets a precedent of damn this guy will hit us a lot because thats at least a +9), i will sometimes just say it hits. if they ask i tell them the number i guess. it just streamlines it a bit

[fallow onyx]

youll never find a nice one, sadly their morality is objective

[fossil hollow]

bro, your Jordans are fake

[raw ocean]

"Dude, I literally took this from the king. I swear my gold pile isen't fake"

[marble lion]

lmao thats not electrum, thats glass

[snow agate]

"aint no way you got Ababis shoes"

[raw ocean]

"Look man the princess is right there!"** "Man that's just a commoner!"**

[rough basalt]

Bro has those Goldfoot Brothers Wizarding gear

[snow agate]

now the commoners sad :c

[raw ocean]

The broke dragon telling the princess to just go atp, he gave up

[fallow onyx]

she was just inlove with the dragon and thought princess was a pet name

[gaunt roost]

physical marks wont stick on vampires unless you literally press materials into them (demon slayer style) so they heal around it. Though you could paint them, but then it would be obvious that they are vampires (not sure you want that?). If you want to make very obvious, use religious iconography (religion doesnt matter, have it be circles with varying number of arrows and dont get sued by games workshop). Have it either color coded (For example, pure crimson vest for number 1, have a 2 colored vest for number 2, etc) or have all of them wear crowns with varying numbers of spikes symbolizing their rank (this is mostly for other vampires as they should outrank any non-vampires?)

[raw ocean]

Doomed dragon relationship [6 books]

[tawdry sentinel]

"14 + a lot probably hits" is about the level of commitment I can muster.

[snow agate]

i just say "18" and the player says "hit"

[rough basalt]

I roll openly and since it's on a VTT the full result is shown.

[fallow onyx]

I do have a plan on how to mark them, just trying to figure out what to markj them with

[rough basalt]

If you see that enemy rolled a 29 you gotta accept it

[snow agate]

so based

[raw ocean]

The DM seeing the players cast 4 silvery barbs in a row:

Got through the silvery barbs and they start using the luck feat

[rough basalt]

I haven't allowed SB in my games since my first game

[snow agate]

"if you really want to blow all your first level slots on this then sure"

[fallow onyx]

maybe 1 circle for one, then two circle of half the size of the original, as in, cells dividing down?

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I was in a party that did that, and the monster still hit lol

[raw ocean]

I allow it because it's really funny when the NPC's use it on them

[gaunt roost]

"Fascinating concept this consent that you speak of. You may as well spend our time together explaining what that is and why you think it should matter in interspecies interaction like prey and predator while I install the rest of your bones. You may convince me to take your skull with me for discussing this later, of course"

[raw ocean]

"What natural 20? Hmmmmm?"

[snow agate]

"you're preying on me? ayo"

[rough basalt]

First game I had 6 players, 3 were full casters, all 3 would only use slots on SB, and the other caster (EK) got Magic Initiate so they could use their slots on Silvery Barbs, and one of those full casters was a Halfling Divination Wizard, and all 6 took the lucky feat

[raw ocean]

Please tell me this is a joke

[snow agate]

thats just obnoxious

[rough basalt]

Nope

[tawdry sentinel]

I do feel like flipping people off and cackling maniacally when they silvery barbs a crit and then the reroll is also a 20. That happened twice in my last session.

[raw ocean]

What do you even need all those rerolls for?

[rough basalt]

To screw with a new dm

[frozen burrow]

Are Solo / Duty D&D games common these days?

[raw ocean]

Like guaranteed crit-build for one player???

[fallow onyx]

funny first session but i hope they were completely ready for and expecting a very quick "lets not"

[raw ocean]

Im petty enough to start fudging rolls at that point

[rough basalt]

Nope cause it was my first time and I was told a good DM never says no

[stray atlas]

so random thought

[raw ocean]

Good DM never says no propaganda

[snow agate]

i dont think "a good (X) never says no" is true for literally anything 😭

[stray atlas]

ik half-elves are a thing, what happens if someone is like half wood elf and half drow?

[raw ocean]

"A good DM tries to work with the players" is what should be said

[rough basalt]

I didn't sleep the week of the first session cause I was prepping a megadungeon

[raw ocean]

sometimes stuff can be compromised

[snow agate]

idk ask ur dm

[undone fable]

i like both tbh

[gaunt roost]

"Technically no, but in a general context of prey and predator relationships, humans, dead or alive, are on the list of prey sources for both dragons and illithids, of which I am both. As I am currently not interesting in devouring any part of you, I am merely demonstrating tool use and resourcefulness of using every part of what I hunt. Its called being ecological, it would be wasteful to hunt a fresh one"

[rough basalt]

Just for the first session to be half one of the players forcing me to railroad them

[stray atlas]

I'm not in a game rn I'm just curious

[snow agate]

there arent rules for it so ask ur dm

[marble lion]

piece of cake

[rough basalt]

Needless to say the game actually traumatized me a bit

[raw ocean]

Only reason I will complain about railroading is if we have other stuff we can do that's of equal importance

[snow agate]

"why are you yapping so much, -ass dragon"

[rough basalt]

Took about a year before I could start dming again

Tho I did tpk them which was cathartic.

[reef tundra]

I always found it strange that lucky is tied to PB, I think 2 is just fine

[rough basalt]

It was originally just 3

[reef tundra]

I never thought it was a problem until I met a player whose sole existence depended on lucky

[crimson gulch]

What? Lucky runs out so fast

[raw ocean]

I still can't wait for the day that I see a bard being told that they have to pay child support

[reef tundra]

That sounds perfectly fine to me.

[gaunt roost]

"Ah, fascinating observation on your part. As a matter of fact, I have talked very little in a general context, but the concept of a talking skeleton in a trenchcoat is not something you meet everyday. Certainly not everyday that you get to have a conversation while installing a new door look. And certainly a nice thing to not having to enchant the bones myself, necromancy always feels a little weird being used on humanoids, dont you think? Anyways, I also need to see if you are able to learn the passphrases necessary to function as a door lock. If not, I might need to install you as merely the hinge part"

[snow agate]

"huh"

[tawdry sentinel]

Mega dungeons do be a bit that way, DOTMM as written is basically, there are 50 rooms on this floor, a third of them are empty or might as well be.

A third of them don't actually have anything to do with a plot, but the encounter itself is cool.

And a third are cool, and have something to do with something vaguely resembling story. You won't see these rooms because you turned left instead of right out of the door.

[reef tundra]

That is a good point, I just find it a little irksome.

It’s just a petty Amity thing

[snow agate]

backstory for one of my characters rn includes that their dad is an adventuring bard who went around on escapades

[rough basalt]

Well megadungeon may be excessive, but yeah, I told them the beginning would be a bit railroaded but that one player basically kept trying to skip the dungeon

[snow agate]

to be fair it is the rational thing to do to try to bypass danger

[rough basalt]

It's also rational above table to buy into the adventure

[gaunt roost]

"Certainly a good interjection. Now, while I have you here, a little joke between us, heh, do you have any friends you would like installed next to you? I do not mind flying a while if it makes you more agreeable. I do not do major cities or dragonslayers though. Gith are also off the table, for obvious reasons, you are of course allowed to try and trick me into other traps obviously!"

[rough basalt]

Also their characters didn't know there was a dungeon

The player was going off above table knowledge

[snow agate]

yeah if i dont know theres a dungeon, then i probably wouldnt know that the dungeon is actually important to explore, so id try to not delve too deep and get killed

[tawdry sentinel]

And if you stumble across a portal into the hells you're not just going to toss a rope down it and climb on in, just to see what the craic is about.

Boooooo

[rough basalt]

So the initial "railroad" was rainstorm makes the road too hard to keep going in carriages, but player started whining and screeching at the npcs for wanting to get out of the storm and wait till it calms down.

[snow agate]

i tried to do that two weeks ago and the dm said i couldnt because i would die, smh railroading

[rough basalt]

So then trees fell in the road so player kept screeching trying to move them, then tried to block the carriages moving off the road

So I just had npcs grab him and throw him in timeout

[snow agate]

never trust traveling npcs, they just want you to get in ambushes

[gaunt roost]

Oof. A storm is a weather event, hardly a railroad. Yes, it stops traveling, but honestly? If you tell me that its raining hard and thundering and there is an inn close by I will hit that inn. Might even enter it. The only reason I could see to not would be to annoy the dm personally because it requires me personally to choose to be miserable incharacter to not be involved in whats going

[rough basalt]

Thats what his intention was.
To annoy me.

[snow agate]

get an umbrella, march onwards to glory

[tawdry sentinel]

This storm is making it unsafe for us to continue!

Oh no it isn't, we press on! says the man sat in the dry in front of his laptop.

[snow agate]

i mean if you're on the ocean?

ive never seen a storm so bad that i couldnt keep going to my destination unless it was an actual hurricane

[gaunt roost]

Yeah, but thats. Not fun. The dm will get annoyed by my shenanigans and bad puns soon enough, regardless if Im on their rails or not. Not getting in the adventure just leads to frustration

[rough basalt]

You also aren't in a carriage going down a dirt road that's now mud

[snow agate]

yeah im actually worse off, i walk on the dirt road that is now mud

[gaunt roost]

Its a full on "I dont accept the quest and head out of the city. What do you mean there isnt anything of interest out here? What does you havent prepped a second quest mean? I dont want to do the first quest though unless I get a vorpal sword for it at level 2"

[mystic shuttle]

Entire armies would have to wait months due to a minor breeze. When you a sailing via wind you are very very dependent on the weather

[tawdry sentinel]

Mmmm, if the adventure is at the big scary castle. We go to the big scary castle.

That's kind of the deal.

Oh no, I continue going east until I find something to do.

Cool you do that, anyway, at the big scary castle....

[snow agate]

this isnt on the ocean.

[gaunt roost]

holding the campaign hostage due to not wanting to play as intended is. bad. There is plenty of reasons to not go along with the original plot, but its up to you as a player how you get into the plot regardless if you dont like the original rails

Like, I must assume that the player didnt actually have a second quest that they needed to go on with a time limit, but was just determined not to hit the first quest?

Also, just saying, muddy roads are bad for horses and oxen carts. Those big animals can slip off the road and really hurt themselves in a storm, delaying the travel indefinetly

[rough basalt]

Or the carriage gets bogged down

[snow agate]

guess we're marching then

[rough basalt]

Then I guess you're leaving

[mystic shuttle]

Even still i think you’re taking mordern technology for granted. Throughout history people had their ability to travel very easily hindered by weather

[snow agate]

yes, to get to the quest location, i have a schedule to keep

[snow agate]

throughout all of history soldiers have been able to march in the rain xD

[rough basalt]

Yeah you're getting to the quest location in another game

[gaunt roost]

can the player afford to replace 4 horses when one breaks their leg? Otherwise sure, go marching, every square of mud is difficult terrain, and as the rain is hailing down you get exhaustion every hour you march, your destination is, at your current speed, only 12 hours away. The next inn is 9 hours. IF you dont fail the hourly con save

Also you cannot short/long rest in this storm due to bad conditions

[tawdry sentinel]

This is how everyone dies in the Oregon trail

[snow agate]

the point of a tent is to block rain

[brittle beacon]

I am in a level 9 game as a fighter and I am starting to really like the sap mastery.

[vast pelican]

No, the point of a tent is to insulate and provide basic cover.

[mystic shuttle]

Not really, metal armor + water = rust. plus the armor is heavy as hell so you’re more likely to slip and fall over or get stuck in mud and in either case the increased weight would make it much more difficult to get out of. They typically avoided such things whenever possible

[gaunt roost]

the point of a built tent is to block rain. Setting up a tent in a storm will get it blown away. And also why are you setting up a tent next to the inn?

[snow agate]

insulate from.....the rain?

[rough basalt]

Roll strength save cause the winds begin to take it as you struggle to stake it in.

[snow agate]

because my army of 1000 soldiers cant fit in the inn

[vast pelican]

Even the best tarp isn't going to keep out a storm.

And yeah, building the tent in the rain defeats the purpose.

[gaunt roost]

You dont have an army of 1000 soldiers though, you are one guy in a caravan, and the caravan wants to stop. You dont.

[snow agate]

i should inform the ancient romans of this news

[scenic zinc]

As long as they end their turn prone, an infinite number of creatures can be in the same space

[rough basalt]

Order all your soldiers to stack on top of each other

[mystic shuttle]

The people who fought 4/5ths of their wars in deserts?

[vast pelican]

I might need to refresh on my military history, but I don't recall a long Roman tradition of soldiers enjoying a good night's sleep in a fully soaked tent.

[snow agate]

they literally conquered england, the rainiest country ever

[vast pelican]

Lol okay

[knotty basin]

I doubt england is the rainiest country ever

[gaunt roost]

Actually romans had scouts with people that specifically could judge the weather to set up camp if storms were near before said storms could reach the main camp. Most armies through history had people on the lookout for that purpose. Its really hard to cook a meal for 1000 hungry soldiers if you cannot light a fire, and you cannot light wet firewood because oyu marched into a storm. And any general in history will tell you that you cannot walk on an empty stomach!

[snow agate]

rainy enough it is known for the rain 🙄

[scenic zinc]

Yeah. The name Britain even comes from when it was named Brittania, when it was under Roman rule.

[vast pelican]

The idea that armies habitually just ignored the weather and suffered no ill consequences from doing so is about the silliest thing you could possibly assert in this context.

[mystic shuttle]

Rain is very very bad for marching an army across a continent

[snow agate]

honestly idk what to tell you. if you think people cant march in the rain without dying of exhaustion or going hungry, i think history would be very very different

[scenic zinc]

Whoever said that? The tent is what is keeping them from being wet.

[gaunt roost]

Maybe this is a miscommunication. We are talking about a STORM, not just rain. Rain is bad enough to make it uncomfortable, but a storm with sight reduced to a few meters and wind blowing it into your eyes and you being unable to tell which direction to go in? Thats no marching weather

[vast pelican]

You'll get hypothermia in just a few hours.

[snow agate]

ive never seen a storm like this that wasnt a hurricane? i can see in a rainstorm

[scenic zinc]

Fires within tents were and are a thing you can do.

[snow agate]

do you mean a blizzard?

[vast pelican]

How are you lighting fires in a storm?

[knotty basin]

I’ve never seen a sandstorm, that doesn’t mean they don’t happen

[snow agate]

you dont, thats why you keep marching xD

[mystic shuttle]

I’ve never seen a hurricane but I’ve definitely been in a rain storm like that once or twice

[snow agate]

i must live in a country with blessed rain visibility, fair enough

[gaunt roost]

You... you do realize that storms off the english coast have destroyed several french invasion forces before they could ever land? Like not a single person in those circumstances even landed on the coast because they lost so many ships just off the coast

[snow agate]

we're talking about marching not ships capsizing

[tawdry sentinel]

It's probably not even a miscommunication it's just people being wilfully pedantic about a non-thing on the internet.

You can put up a tent in a storm and light a fire! Yes and it'll be horrible the entire time you do it, so you do it well in advance when huh, pressing on looks like it might be a bad idea. It's like people have never been camping...

[snow agate]

holy cannoli

[scenic zinc]

Weather at sea is a significantly different experience than on land.

[fallow onyx]

you seem to be... ragebaiting (?)

[snow agate]

how is it ragebaiting to say land travel weather problems are entirely different from ship travel weather problems

when we were talking about land travel the entire time, and ships were never the subject

[gaunt roost]

Also, both rainstorms and bad conditions will reduce your vision sight and also significantly weaken your troops, so if you run into any enemies, you will likely be surprised, uncoordinated and dead

[fallow onyx]

clearly not what i was talking about i fear but yk what i wasnt apart of this conversation and everone seems fine lol mb 😢

[tawdry sentinel]

And the Uk isn't even that rainy, it's just grey and depressing for very large periods of time and always looks like it's ABOUT to rain. Then drizzles for 40 minutes.

Completely different.

[snow agate]

so will they?? even playing field

[gaunt roost]

Not if they didnt march? They dont need to if you are crazy enough to come to them

Also, just because you have never seen an actual rainstorm doesnt mean they dont exist

[vast pelican]

Anyway, a player going off on some deeply unwise path into a storm just for the sake of derailing the DM's ability to tell the story is not only a fast way to drawing up a new character, it's good reason to ask whether the player belongs at the table.

[glass granite]

Me thinks it can be summarised as:
storm no good to march large amount of people carrying lot of stuff over large distances. Possible, but no fun, very dangerous.

[snow agate]

i live on the east coast of the US we literally have tropical storms and hurricanes every single year

[scenic zinc]

When there's significantly less buildings to spend time in, it's certainly much more precipitation than Italy.

[mystic shuttle]

You just made the broad statement “why would anything less than a hurricane effect the ability to travel” and everyone responded an then you said “I mean specifically on land” and then everyone responded and now you’re just saying “well.. I never heard about that so it can’t be true”

[tawdry sentinel]

Currently in Italy, can confirm weather is nicer here than back home.

[gaunt roost]

And you have walked 1000 people in 30kg of gear for 6 hours through a tropical storm where trees fall over and think "yeah thats fine"?

[snow agate]

he responded by mentioning "armies getting destroyed at sea"

this is not the sea. this is land

[glass granite]

Storm still dangerous to travel on land tho

Definitely not optimal

[mystic shuttle]

Especially before mordern technology and amenities to make it easier

[scenic zinc]

-# hurricanes do primarily end up effecting people on land more than those at sea.

[snow agate]

sorry, when you said "rainstorm" i didnt think you meant "natural disaster" , i believe a rainstorm just means a heavy downpour

[scenic zinc]

Seeing as that's where most people are lol

[gaunt roost]

Armies on land dont get destroyed by wind, no, but they get messed up. And if moral falls, so does compliance to orders. And once you push your army to far, you no longer have an army, because there are several sayings in different languages about soldiers not walking on an empty stomach

[gaunt roost]

what do you think a STORM is? A gentle spring rain?

[snow agate]

why are you conflating a gentle spring rain with a heavy downpour. literally not even the same thing

[fallow onyx]

he just said he thought it meant heavy downpour 🥹

[fossil hollow]

a heavy downpour still messes with armies

stupid mud everywhere, cant see shit, everything is wet

[snow agate]

yeah its a pain

[hearty bay]

Out of curiosity, is there a cooking focused class/subclass, or is that entirely into homebrew territory?

[tawdry sentinel]

Should've just gone in the dungeon.

[glass granite]

I don’t know of any official ones

[snow agate]

id rather deal with being cold and soggy and tramping through the mud than getting my organs stabbed

[scenic zinc]

Depends on how much you're willing to reflavor (pun intended) the artificer alchemist

[gaunt roost]

a heavy downpour by defition of the Collins Dictionary, so I dont get called out by making false equivalents here, can be accompanied by around 70 mph wind speed to spontanous floods. And a surprise flood can most definetly hinder, or destroy a land based army.

[fallow onyx]

this started because someone was mentioning how annoying it was that when someone tried to completey derail the campaign, and the DM attempted to recify in natural way through storm, that the player insisted on continuing even though it was (practically) impossible to. I do not know why anyone is arguing that "well techinically you COULD travel in these conditions", as if you arent supoosed to suspend your disbelief forfiction, and as a player, grab a plot hook (most of the time) when its clear and presented.

[scenic zinc]

So, problem player. Gotcha.

[mystic shuttle]

Anything more than a short on-n-off sprinkle is going to significantly impair the ability to travel in general up until maybe 200 years ago if not less, let alone the ability to march armies

[scenic zinc]

eh

[gaunt roost]

then dont be an adventurer. There is plenty of free places in the cobblers guild. No shame in taking up a crafting profession. You can play that on your own time though, as the rest of the group hits the dungeon!

[scenic zinc]

Impair? Sure. Significant? Maybe.

[fallow onyx]

i think this was the point i was trying to make, you worded it better then i though

[snow agate]

i really still dont get the big deal. maybe im built different but ive just never encountered these rain issues, its uncomfortable yeah, but its not something id delay for unless there's like flooding blocking the way

[fallow onyx]

i think travelling in rain is easy, travelling in storm is difficult, and travelling for multiple days in heavy storm without proper preperation is death

[scenic zinc]

That's why I said maybe. It also depends on the technology the given society is using.

200 years ago means different things to different civilizations.

[fallow onyx]

a very good point. do we have rubber raincoats yet

[fossil hollow]

they might not have had rubber raincoats, but theres a lot more materials you can make raincoats from

[gaunt roost]

I think its important to note that the bigger the group, the harder traveling in bad weather is. For the first person in line, the ground will be a little muddy, for the last person of the army it will be a tar pit given that a 999 people just trampled any and all structure out of the wet dirt

[scenic zinc]

Fur is generally better

[fallow onyx]

i was being silly sorry

[gaunt roost]

now I remember the festival mud wizard

[hearty bay]

I guess it's the best bet, yeah

[gaunt roost]

a great example of how a little bad weather can affect the grounds structure and armed peoples ability to move through it

if people dont know him, just search for mud wizard on youtube, hes a a great show about how heavily geared people can get just stopped by a little mud after a bit of rain

and that is "exactly" the kind of mud the later rows of any army/travel company would have to wade through if you just kept going in rain

[tawdry sentinel]

Or the end scene in "The King" which sums up the Battle of Agincourt where a bunch of knights get perforated trying to fight in a slip and slide.

[hollow ravine]

You don't have to quote the movie. The actual events of the Battle of Agincourt was much like that.

[tawdry sentinel]

The scene would be on YouTube and probably more easily consumed than a 40 minute history video.

[sullen ingot]

Character sheet for context: https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/157101237
My next level will be warlock 2. The rules of my Paladin oath are "No necromancy ever." and "We like fire." What choices would you make at Warlock 2 towards those oath limitations? My god is the same for both Paladin and Warlock, flavor-wise, so it makes sense to follow those limitations into the second class

Oh, and options have to come from either PHB(2024), Heroes of Faerun, or the new Eberron book

[bronze wave]

Fiend warlock

Or genie warlock maybeeee

[sullen ingot]

We've decided that "Pelor" is a fae, though I forget how we arrived there.

It was a DM worldbuilding thing

[bronze wave]

Then archfey is like the only one

Tho that is much more plant like but ya it’s the only fey warlock

[sullen ingot]

That choice is at level 3 anyway. It’s the spells thag im trying to figure out

And the invocations

[bronze wave]

Spells just take anything that’s fire and not necrotic.

And innovation not sure if there’s anything super defining tbh

I wouldn’t lean into the E blast stuff going off your thing you can do a few cool things with pact blade invocations

[next ether]

Anyone here just really like mind flayers?

[raw ocean]

I hate them with my entire soul...

[next ether]

dam

[eager marsh]

I am actively playing one for my Sunday games as a Wizard (divination)

[bronze wave]

They aight

[next ether]

I would play but I kinda dont time

[raw ocean]

Opinion on players who bring pre-made characters that don't fit with much stories into campaigns?

[glass granite]

Bad. I don’t like them

[fossil hollow]

they better be damn open to changing a looooot of things

[glass granite]

Bring ideas, not characters

[humble cairn]

Unless they're willing to alter the character idea they're committing a table foul.

[raw ocean]

Im happy to see people agree with me

[glass granite]

Hi happy to see people agree with me, I’m Nugget

[raw ocean]

Character sheets should be made in session 0

That's like 50% of the point of session 0!

[glass granite]

For me, in or slightly after

Some things need to be considered or changed, which may not be immediately obvious

[bronze wave]

I wouldn’t let them be that character

[lavish flame]

Agreed. I prefer when characters are made as a group. I feel like "what is this group gonna be like?" is a very important question to answer and I prefer when everyone has some idea of it.

[bronze wave]

If it was a group I was a player in and someone did that I wouldn’t take that char seriously at all. That char doesn’t even make sense in the story

[raw ocean]

Only reason a character should be pre-made is if the campaign like ummm

Something where abunch of different characters from different timelines get put in the same one

[bronze wave]

I mean if it fits the campaign go for it idc

[sullen ingot]

Agree. Not doing so(or the DM not doing session zero) has ruined multiple campaigns for me

[raw ocean]

I am worried about a campaign I just joined, DM started session 1 when only 2 of the players were down to play

[bronze wave]

It’s kinda meh but it’s your char I guess

[raw ocean]

And then he said "It's fine, your backstories are only gonna be used for conversation and such"

[bronze wave]

Oh I’m gone

[raw ocean]

Im about to drop out too

[bronze wave]

Tho I feel most of my good dnd experiences as a player are defined by other players

[crimson gulch]

thats a shame

[raw ocean]

The most tragic thing is playing with people you like but one of them have a character you despise

but they are completely valid as a character so you can't say anything

[crimson gulch]

you can absolutly say something if something is bothering you

no one is going to read your mind

[raw ocean]

If I had to explain, it's like having a pet peeve

[bronze wave]

I mean you can say smth, it’s always good to be open

[raw ocean]

it's not going to ruin my experience, so I know it's not fair for me to expect them to ruin theirs

[crimson gulch]

bottle stuff up and your not gonna have a good time

i am running 9 campaigns and i check in with folks regularly, things come up when i do that that i never would have clocked without asking

[raw ocean]

If I had to make up a situation similar, imagine a good aligned character that keeps going to save people and like 80% of the time it end's up being a trap

It makes sense with the character, but it's just something that slightly annoys me

Im not upset about someone playing like that, it's just personal reasons

[bronze wave]

I’d still bring it up, what’s the worst that happens

Like at minimum you talk about it

It’s a game, have fun at your game

[raw ocean]

It happened once to me, brought it up and they immediately had a breakdown in call

They were new and I never want to experience that again

[crimson gulch]

dont let that past trauma stop you from protecting your peace now

you can advocate for yourself still, just be as kind as possible

[raw ocean]

You know what, you guys are right

[lyric idol]

The beacon of red flags. Its like a lighthouse in a sea of red flags.

[raw ocean]

Basically we started with 6 people, most of them left

Now it's down to me and my buddy, and some dude who has played in past campaigns of the DM

[sullen ingot]

I haven’t played with that person as the DM since, and it turned out they weren’t a good fit for my table as a player either

[raw ocean]

And it feels quite odd having a player know literally everything before other players

Like, imagine joining a level 20 campaign with players who have been in it for 4 years

[bronze wave]

Sounds like a group I wouldn’t want to be in

[raw ocean]

And that's why I left soon after

[lyric idol]

Rule of law in traffic is go with the flow of traffic. In this situation you should definitely go with the flow and leave the table 😅

[bronze wave]

Imagine if you like pizza but hate pineapple pizza. But the time you brought it up someone got sad. Are you just gonna keep eating pineapple pizza

[raw ocean]

I hate buffalo chicken pizza

[bronze wave]

Man if you don’t get over yourself and have this basic conversation is what I’d tell them. Crying is kinda crazy

But I’m a blunt person

[raw ocean]

And I quite literally got traumatized by buffalo chicken when I was a teenager

Worst food I have EVER had in my entire life

[bronze wave]

Make it your next chars fear

[raw ocean]

Never ever touching buffalo chicken after I tried that dip...

[raw ocean]

Most of my characters have a fear of the ocean

Yes, even my Locathah

[bronze wave]

Scared of the dip…

[crimson gulch]

being able to get a whole party on board with supporting newcomers to the table is so important, its something i do a lot

i had a group that i have ran 3 full campaigns for, and were back up to 6 players for campaign 4 togeather and its been wonderful

[raw ocean]

Just left the campaign I was in

Time to search for something new [Insert that one captain underpants gif of all the kids walking all sad into school]

[crimson gulch]

AHH captian underpands is burned into my mind because my parents gave my kids 100 bucks each for the scholastic book fair and thats what they got, and dogman

[fossil hollow]

lmao

[umbral girder]

Steal plots from scholastic books and use them as DnD plots

[cobalt lichen]

Study real cult tactics and use them against your players

[knotty pasture]

Be a Bhaalist

[woven flint]

Be Bhaaling

[glass granite]

Be Tokii

[umbral girder]

Be Tokiing

[knotty pasture]

Is there anything native to the Nine Hells that has psionic powers again

[umbral girder]

In 5e? No.

Maybe there is some obscure old stuff

[knotty pasture]

Damn

[umbral girder]

A lot of them have telepathy but no Psionics

[woven flint]

WHAT

[umbral girder]

Psionics is mainly tied to the Far Realms

[glass granite]

I leave no comment

[fossil hollow]

por que

[regal dragon]

Helli

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup!

[dusky rose]

I am unable to post in LFP, can't figure out why it wont let me?

[umbral girder]

#find-a-game explains how to

If you did one before you must wait 7 days to post again

[dusky rose]

thank you nealen

[umbral girder]

Good luck and have fun.

[wheat herald]

@weary moth wants the party to make the campaign fun and fight but he put up against enemies with 50+ health and strong attack stats and he gave us the option to surrender so first thing we did was surrender because we are only level 2 and one party member is unconscious and can’t make it to the session

[weary moth]

They were meant to fight and after a while the knight will say they had enough or if they surreneder it will show that they aren’t the strongest as they went on a power trip last session

[wheat herald]

[weary moth]

They went on a MAJOR POWER TRIP last session

[wheat herald]

Dude you had us at low health fighting and I would’ve died because you made me paralized so 2d10+3 with auto crits

[weary moth]

they used hold person on you

[wheat herald]

Yeah

[weary moth]

👍

[wheat herald]

I don’t want the campaign to end this early because everyone dies

[buoyant oar]

was lethality of the game discussed in Session Zero?

[wheat herald]

The what?

[scenic zinc]

as pepsi mentioned, surrendering was an option you could have taken. Additionally, just because the enemy brings you to 0 doesn't automatically kill you. You can simply be unconcious instead.

[buoyant oar]

Lethality, is there a high or low chance of Character Death with this campaign.

[wheat herald]

It’s his first time dm’ing we didn’t know this

[buoyant oar]

Look at the Session 0 advice in both the 2024 DMG or Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, these books have great tips on forming a cohesive table for both players and DMs. Especially for first timers.

If you guys are seriously uncomfortable with the lethality, that can warrant an out of game and above table conversation with the whole group.

We don't know the full situation obvs, but taking a step back and having a calm discussion will most certainly help resolve issues.

[raw ocean]

I tend to tell my players that they are probably going to die by saying something like "The creature approaches with a deadly aura, it's fangs are dripping with pure malice"

After that, it's on them if they decide to stick to the fight all the way

Basically [This encounter is deadly difficulty]

[wheat herald]

We got kidnapped became he wanted to teach us killing 16 people has consequences at level 1

[buoyant oar]

....

[raw ocean]

Innocent or bandits?

[wheat herald]

Innocent

[glass granite]

Yes, there are consequences. Who would’ve thought

[wheat herald]

This was in a town and killed them mostly for no reason while I only killed in self defence

[raw ocean]

Wait a second

I have literally seen you talking about this before

[buoyant oar]

Sympathy for Party: Lost

Everyone Disliked that

[glass granite]

Yall should really stop murdering innocents

[wheat herald]

I’m sorry my party is like this

[raw ocean]

Then tell the party to not be like it, then leave if they don't stop???

[buoyant oar]

So, if this is something you OR the DM is uncomfortable with refer to the Session 0 Rules and have an Above Table Conversation about expectations from the players and from the DM.

[wheat herald]

I refuse to heal them currently

[dense steeple]

i feel like upfront communication is better than withholding healing

[glass granite]

In game solutions won’t resolve off game issues

[buoyant oar]

This table is sounding more Radioactive than Marie Curie's bones with every passing second.

[dense steeple]

i hope that doesn't seem argumentative, i'm just kinda lurking and wanted to throw in my two cents

[wheat herald]

I’m out of spell slots that’s why

[raw ocean]

I can understand killing like one dude accidentally or maybe on purpose if the dude was being a bit evil

But 16 people is actually bonkers

[buoyant oar]

Sixteen people is like a Thorp of people

[dense steeple]

still, communication is key if something upsets you

[wheat herald]

10 were gaurds who tried to attack us after

[buoyant oar]

As a Guard is supposed to do

[raw ocean]

So you still killed 16 innocent people?

That's like saying "The cops got in my way!", I wonder why?

[buoyant oar]

Self Defense is not Defense if its murdering people who are trying to stop you all from murdering.

[wheat herald]

I got attacked and my character only attacks when the party is getting attacked I was watching it all until I got interrupted while making friendly banter with a child who witnessed it so they didn’t get as much trauma

[raw ocean]

Also why is the DM having the gaurds attack you if you don't participate in the first place

[wheat herald]

I’m associated with the murderers

[buoyant oar]

So at what point do you the person who is sitting at the table say "Hey so hold on, can we not do this?"

[wheat herald]

Yeah they don’t care

[raw ocean]

Leave?

[wheat herald]

No I’m making them do therapy In game so they don’t kill

[raw ocean]

So... leave?

[wheat herald]

Maybe

[undone fable]

whats going on?

[glass granite]

In game solutions don’t resolve out of game issue
I’ve been observing your party for a bit tbh, and I think yall are in a dire need of everyone sitting down and setting expectations and boundaries. And some respect.

[raw ocean]

If you have to literally beg your team to not do things OOC and IC, leave

[undone fable]

is this a dnd session?

[dense steeple]

ultimately we can't make the choice for you, but in your shoes i'd just dip out of an environment like that.

doesn't seem fun either ooc or ic.

[raw ocean]

Dude, like the only advice I can give is finding a Co-DM to like be a rules lawyer or something

[glass granite]

Someone is having a frankly horrifying party, and we’re giving them suggestions on what to do

[raw ocean]

Like if you want to stay, find someone to be flat with the party because it seems like the DM and the party are bugging

[weary moth]

I AM THE DM IN @wheat herald campaign and I must say he deserves it

[undone fable]

is everyone else being a murder hobo and this one player is being an actually decent person?

[glass granite]

PLEASE sit down and have a conversation with your players

[hushed mason]

deserves what?

[raw ocean]

So what did he do exactly on the dot?

[buoyant oar]

Well I am always that In Game Punishments for Out of Game Issues is not the way.

But Consequences are Consequences.

[wheat herald]

Nah it’s only in game issue

We all chill irl no drama

[raw ocean]

Ok so the DM says your character deserves to get punished for what?

Like is the entire party murder hobos?

[wheat herald]

Killing 2 guys because they tried to kill me first

[fair plinth]

So i have the 3 2014 core books and the 24 phb, what books should i get next?

[raw ocean]

So are you the player upset about anything?

[lilac kelp]

I thought you said they were innocent.

[buoyant oar]

As a player, none really. As a DM, the DMG 2024 and MM 2025

[raw ocean]

Innocent gaurds attacking him after they killed 5 people

[fair plinth]

Im not really a dm rn, so maybe ill look for a third party book or something

[dense steeple]

reminding me i really need to find a group again. i had to dip out of my last one due to personal reasons (they weren't bad, total sweethearts all of them- moreso just irl/mental stuff that led to mt drop)
i have ideas for characters that i'd really like to use

[lilac kelp]

Just sounds to me that the DM played the world's reaction according to their interpretation of the situation, and being namedropped in chat like this for it.. Especially as a first time DM sounds like a nightmare and I feel sorry for them.

[raw ocean]

Same, I gotta find a DM for me and my 2 buds

[hushed mason]

I need to find a new player. Sigh.

[wheat herald]

Hope your mental health is better now

[raw ocean]

Sigh...

If only I wasn't available almost every single day after 2PM EST

[lilac kelp]

[raw ocean]

Everyone always runs their sessions for 1 hour, starting at 1PM EST :(

[dense steeple]

ohh i really wish you luck dude :o
i'm still inexperienced with d&d compared to a lot of people so i get nervous poking my head in sometimes qwq
but i'd really like to make friends. and also play toys with our characters LOL

[hushed mason]

Wut? That's... hrmph. We play for 4 hours.

[raw ocean]

Longest session I have ever played has been 12 hours lol

[dense steeple]

slowly but surely 🙂‍↕️
seasonal depression's still kicking my ass unforch

but hey, i'm still here! and i'm waiting on a response from my psychiatrist to see if it could be related to med changes

[glass granite]

Hi still here, I’m Nugget!

[dense steeple]

wheeze

[wheat herald]

Hello again Nugget

dnd sesh ended now we playing cod lmao

[glass granite]

Greetings

[raw ocean]

Can't wait for my next DM so I can use my homebrew class, sub-class, race, magic, weapons, and mechanics!

[wheat herald]

Explain the class

[raw ocean]

[Homebrew mechanics are 20 pages long btw]

[woven flint]

You're Glonkus.

[hushed mason]

side-eyes @raw ocean

[raw ocean]

The God Slayer

Pretty balanced!

[glass granite]

I thought I was Glonkus The Destroyer

[woven flint]

Either way, fella

[wheat herald]

Are you Kratos

[dense steeple]

oh felt
i try to be available after 5pm est on weekdays at least and saturdays cause that's when my boyfriend's free from work and i really like hanging with him and his partner when she's free too (to clarify we're in a polycule HDBDJS)

or well, available to hang out with them i mean

[raw ocean]

Im just straightforward with the people I know, "This is my D&D time, you do not interact with me during my D&D time"

"You have other times to speak with me, I get my D&D time"

[lilac kelp]

On vacation in Faerun! 🪧

[woven flint]

I just shoot people if they try to talk to me during D&D.
It's a simple solution to everything: Violence

[raw ocean]

If someone can't respect your time, don't respect theirs

[lilac kelp]

- The Watch Thief

[dense steeple]

oh dw they do respect my time! It's moreso a matter of "i really like spending time with them whenever i can" dhbddh

[raw ocean]

Understandable

[woven flint]

Dhbddh????

[dense steeple]

Sorry if i came off as otherwise qwq

[raw ocean]

My family is buying me some dice for christmas

[glass granite]

Dhbddh

[hushed mason]

dhbddh?

[glass granite]

Dhbddh!

[woven flint]

Flips a table
THIS IS BULLSH-

[raw ocean]

Doot - hand - Bodd - hand?

[dense steeple]

just a silly keysmash, it's a weird habit of mine LOL

[glass granite]

No, THIS IS SPARTA

[dense steeple]

wheeze

[woven flint]

I'm no longer your friend

[glass granite]

Hi no longer your friend, I’m Nugget

[glass granite]

Can I make it up to you with a cookie?

[lilac kelp]

Onomatopoeia for emotional fluster. Dhbddh!

[woven flint]

Pushing you down some stairs (In a campaign)

[glass granite]

I’m a monk with slow fall, so I’ll be fineee

[dense steeple]

that's kind of an accurate way to describe it actually LOL

[woven flint]

Furry moment

[glass granite]

I imagine it as an inner squeal that is encrypted and translated into text

[hushed mason]

That's "SQUEE".

[glass granite]

That’s if it’s just translated

[dense steeple]

honestly i've been considering making d&d versions of my ocs too, just for fun but maybe i could use them someday if i ever get around to it

[dense steeple]

YEP

[dense steeple]

yeah that's also about it HAHA

[woven flint]

I know what you are.

Looks at your pfp.
Looks at my pfp.

[glass granite]

Kindred spirits

[dense steeple]

🫵 and i know what YOU are

[glass granite]

Yes, I’m Nugget

[dense steeple]

hi nugget :)

[woven flint]

Bye, Nugget.

[dense steeple]

i actually don't know where i'd share art of those i'm considering d&d-ifying. or at least one of them because she's one of my favorite characters i've made so it'd be neat to give that a go
maybe i should sketch up a concept later

[lilac kelp]

I wish I could remain obsessed about drawing for long enough periods to actually get decent at it.. I always get distracted by other things. x.x

I bet it's a very fulfilling skill to have.

[amber echo]

is about Dueling

[dense steeple]

i've been drawing for about a decade? started when i was a kid

[glass granite]

Heads up, don’t share your age

[feral fulcrum]

I need to wait another whole week to find out if my suspicions that my group has bumbled into another Goddess are correct.

[hushed mason]

I give my characters an appearance by creating them as Sims.

[dense steeple]

oh apologies! lemme edit

[glass granite]

Just server rules

Don’t want a fren to be smited

[feral fulcrum]

Sane ones, for an all ages server.

[lilac kelp]

I could like.. maaaybe do pixel art versions.. But it's way too much effort for me to bother. Descriptions will have to do.

[dense steeple]

thanks for the heads-up :)

And hey, writing and avatar creators are good for that sorta thing still!!
I sometimes use avatar creators for concepts and i work with written descriptions for commissions quite often

[umbral girder]

I should do a Shifter Artificer

[past iron]

How does graze work?

The thing isn't quite clear on how it works.

[hushed mason]

nom nom nom

Usually it works just by eating a little bit here and there.

[humble cairn]

When you miss, it does damage to your target.

[umbral girder]

If you miss you damage damage equal to your stat modifier

So if you have a +4 strength, and miss you still do 4 damage

[eager marsh]

Rage also applies for barbarians

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah it does

Neat stuff

[past iron]

Ah okay

[rose patio]

I just realized something terrifying for mind flayers, their exclusively brain based diet makes them especially susceptible to prion diseases.

[hushed mason]

And creutzfeldt-jakob disease.

[eager marsh]

They are not suseptible to that at all. Their digestive system is specifically designed to eat brains. Also they arent brain exclusive. They only need a brain every couple weeks really

[hushed mason]

One would assume they have evolved to have natural immunities to such.

[eager marsh]

They require brains to avoid their own minds degrading and their psionic powers fading actually. A sentient/intelligent brain is required at least once a month, with most Illithids eating every 2 weeks on average, with glutons eating a brain once a week. They can eat regular food otherwise and have a 100% efficient digestive system so they do not require restroom breaks

[umbral girder]

Also they are aliens that don’t follow traditional physics as they come from outside the multiverse

[next ether]

Whats the best way to form a friend group?

[rose patio]

This alone would definitely make them a very valuable curiosity among researchers trying to fight these sorts of diseases. Think like axolotls and limb regeneration.

[raw ocean]

D&D wise or just friends in general?

[vale sage]

Hello

[snow agate]

You could also not eat brain, it’s not very yummy

[lilac kelp]

...How do you know?

[quasi dome]

They used to sell calf brains in cans

My grandpa loved em

[rose patio]

Yeah and mad cow disease is still an issue and can spread to humans.

[hushed mason]

That's the creutzfeldt-jakob disease I was talking about...

[knotty pasture]

Something something Mind Flayer

[lilac kelp]

Don't greater doppelgangers also eat brains? ^^

[glass granite]

Had brain ONCE, not very yummy tbh

[undone fable]

hi there. hows your dnd going

[rose patio]

Those illithids who are essentially immunocompromised to prion diseases would likely quickly go mad. Imagine being unable to distinguish between your own memories and the memories of that steak you ate last night due to the dementia caused by the prions.

[quasi dome]

Fun fact - I’m permanently barred from blood donation by the Red Cross because I lived in London around 1996 and, they presume, ate one or more hamburgers and thus may be a carrier for mad cow disease

[eager marsh]

Again illithids are not able to catch such diseases their physiology is entirely reliant upon brain matter to operate

[knotty pasture]

Don't they mostly run on a hive mind anyways

[snow agate]

I mean imagine the texture

[lilac kelp]

Is it making you hungry? Hungry for brains?

[eager marsh]

No. The Elder Brain actively mind controls each illithid into working for their respective colony

[woven flint]

Are you folks making fun of my diet?!
I love eating brains.

[umbral girder]

Considering they are puppeteered by a giant brain I don’t think they care

[next ether]

Roleplay friends

[knotty pasture]

Play dnd with them

[lilac kelp]

Random thought, I wish there existed a "Tabletop Simulator"-esque VTT that was tailored for D&D, with a virtual mouse and dice that are thrown with physics, but without the need for importing models and stuff. Just a grid of squares and you could very quickly raise and lower each square to represent elevation and walls. And for monsters and such, just tokens or optionally little cardboard token things where you could just use an image.

I feel like the 2D VTTs don't give enough tactile feeling of being at a table, and I don't like the having to lean into getting a bunch of art assets to fit a situation. It's also not very flexible.

[undone fable]

oooh intereresting. What got you into dnd?

[tame estuary]

you can use tabletop simulator

yeah I get what you mean, something that streamlines the token making and map making aspect while also being a vtt right?

[lilac kelp]

But you don't have the 3D battlemat thing that I was talking about, you know? Still requires a lot of setup and awkwardness.

[tame estuary]

tts is my favorite vtt

the awkwardness is welcomed for me

you can have like I dunno stackable tiles?

the charm of tts is that you get to be as creative as how you would in a table game

[lilac kelp]

^,^ In what way do you use it? Do you have the character sheets in there as well, and do you have a really complex scene for it.. etc?

[tame estuary]

yeah just a picture of a sheet

[sterile sable]

is dnd beyond working slower for anyone

[tame estuary]

nothing too complicated, I'd put as much effort into tts as an actual table game, even with access to online models

I'd just still "rummage around the toybox"

[quasi dome]

My best buddy had a copy of the White Box; I’ve played every edition since then

[tame estuary]

and maybe I'll get some new toys when I feel like it

[remote wadi]

I knew that 5e Ranger was going to have some problems

But holy jeez... 5e Ranger has some problems

[lilac kelp]

Mhm~ What about edits to the character sheet and stuff, like adding items and so on? How do you handle that?

[tame estuary]

you write

the sheets are editable

you can type it in or you can use a pencil if you like

[knotty pasture]

Huh? 5e Ranger is an art

[lilac kelp]

Okay! I figured, but wanted to confirm. :3

[knotty pasture]

Especially Gloom Stalker in 2014

[remote wadi]

Today was almost a disgrace

[knotty pasture]

Unless you're playing pre Tasha's Beastmaster or something

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately, I was still level 2 at the time. So I didn't have Gloomstalker or Piercer

And considering my damage is pitiful, being commonly less than 8 piercing damage on hit, it made Sharpshooter penalties a must to actually keep up with the party on just about any combat

[glass granite]

Really? What was the problems you’re having? I don’t think it’s that bad at level 2.

[knotty pasture]

Its level 2, relax a little

Use Entangle to annoy the enemy at this level, or Hunter's Mark if you need more oomph

[remote wadi]

• Less than 8 piercing damage whenever I attacked
• Missed 5/8 sharpshooter attacks
• Immediately lost cure wounds because our Bard decided to back mouth Strahd after using mine to heal our wizard

[remote wadi]

I only had one spell slot left for the boss because I didn't benefit from a long rest due to a failed Con check

[tame estuary]

comparison is the thief of joy

[glass granite]

Well of course your sharpshooter attacks missed, you’d have either negative or neutral modifiers

[remote wadi]

I have +8

[knotty pasture]

Just Entangle is enough, you aren't getting the most out of resting if you have remaining spell slots

[glass granite]

How Tf

Oh rolled?

[tame estuary]

how greedy, having +8 and still wanting more? smh

[remote wadi]

+4 Dex
+2 proficiency
+2 Archery combat style

[knotty pasture]

A net +3 modifier is decent, you just have bad luck ig

[tame estuary]

just roll better

did you know, missing is part of the game

you are expected to miss 40% of the time

[remote wadi]

Because remember: outside of my Sharpshooter attacks, I do less than 8 piercing damage a roll

It means that if I don't take the penalty, my damage may as well be no existent

[glass granite]

Plus, if sharpshooter did hit how Tf is it sub 8

[knotty pasture]

You should always take the penalty imo

Outside of finishing some enemy with like 2 hp

[tame estuary]

?? enemies at level 2 has like 10 health

[glass granite]

First of all, 8 isn’t even that bad for level 2. Fighters do similar.
Second of all, 8 feels oddly low

[snow agate]

Add your dex bonus to your damage like you’re supposed to

[tame estuary]

you're not supposed to kill one alone

[remote wadi]

I did and missed twice in a row against the boss. The one time I got sick of missing and decided to attack normally, I get a 1 on damage dice

[glass granite]

Then that’s not a ranger problem, that’s you rolling bad

[remote wadi]

That is still 5 piercing damage

[glass granite]

Also, you’re not using hunters mark or any of your ranger spells here

[tame estuary]

if you don't like rolling for attacks and damage, please talk to your DM about it

[snow agate]

That is what happens when you roll low damage yes

[remote wadi]

And I had to watch as our paladin got back to back crits

...with Perkin's crits...

[knotty pasture]

That sounds like a fight easily won

Which is cool, its all that matters in the end

[remote wadi]

Rest assured, it was. But I felt like I was more or less useless

[knotty pasture]

Its not your time yet

[lilac kelp]

Moral support!

[glass granite]

Yeah, I can’t help you here bud. You got unlucky. Deal with it. You have a +8 to hit, sharpshooter, spells, long range and good skill utility.

[knotty pasture]

I sometimes feel the same about my Spores Druid too, not the main carry but v good at being annoying to the enemy

[tame estuary]

like I said, the game expects you to miss, if you don't like missing or dealing 5 damage to the 30 hp enemy, talk to your DM about it

[knotty pasture]

Behold my zoo army of 4 zombies, 2 eagles and a wolf

[remote wadi]

Like, I spend 30 seconds missing or doing crap damage, end my turn because I have nothing else to do, then just take 3 minutes watching everyone else obliterate everything

[knotty pasture]

I mean you aren't meant to take your time planning the turn out as Ranger either

[glass granite]

Your paladin hit a 1 in 20 chance

[knotty pasture]

For the most part its just move, shoot or cast a spell, end turn

[oak shoal]

I used my halfing buddy as a improvised melee attack and my DM let my smite on it

I think we laughed for like 15 minutes

[tame estuary]

if you want to miss less, don't use sharpshooter, if you think the extra damage from sharpshooter is needed so that you're on par with the rest of your party then maybe you're just not going to have fun

[knotty pasture]

Divine bosom

[snow agate]

Our first combat yesterday , we had one person miss entirely, and another was out of range of the combat before it was over, so the fight was mopped up by 3/5 members

[tame estuary]

if you don't like waiting 3 entire minutes for your next turn, this game might not be for you

[snow agate]

3 does feel like a record low

[hushed mason]

Indeed.

[remote wadi]

Back to back

On perkins crits

And our Bard also hit dissonant whispers with the boss getting a nat 1 saving throw (homebrew rule means double damage for damage roll)

And our Cleric somehow also got a crit on Guiding Bolt

[oak shoal]

My sister somehow managed to take 5 minutes on her turn

[knotty pasture]

Idk the more you explain the more it seems like you passed your luck to everyone

[glass granite]

Then stop dissing Ranger and put those dice in jail

[snow agate]

Be really annoying and tell her to hurry up while staring at her

[knotty pasture]

Which is still a good thing cuz you had a lot of luck

[tame estuary]

we kinda can't help if it's just not a good day

of course some days it's bad, it's very funny when it happens, take it in stride and be a good sport

[knotty pasture]

Shame this isn't bg3, I would have spam reloaded if I missed this frequently

[oak shoal]

I had to explain the way a spell worked for the 5th time because (bless her heart) has the reading comprehension of a 5 year old when reading spells

[vast pelican]

Assuming a party of 4 and generously assuming that it's only 1 enemy creature...that would still be a blazing fast 45 seconds per turn.

[remote wadi]

You're misunderstood. It's not that much that I hate as much as it is that alongside seeing my arrows do next to nothing and go "Well, that's my turn"

[tame estuary]

that's level 2 gameplay tho

[snow agate]

That’s going to happen with every class in the game

[tame estuary]

you get more stuff to do literally next level

[knotty pasture]

Play Cleric instead

[remote wadi]

Waiting 3 minutes or so means a lot of happening. Waiting 3 minutes to do effectively nothing and repeat it means that I am not helping much

[knotty pasture]

You can at least throw around bless and sanctuary to feel like you're doing something

[oak shoal]

If your the ranger go into gloomstalker and become unstoppable

[vast pelican]

Pretty much everyone under level 5 gets to make only one attack per turn.

[tame estuary]

ayayay, my friendo, you aren't supposed to stay in low levels for long

[snow agate]

To be fair archers suffer from the problem more, because at least melees get to say they move up to the enemy and pretend they’re clashing and hit a one liner; and a spellcaster might manifest something visually impressive, so their “failed” turns feel more engaging than an archer who simply missed a damaging point

[oak shoal]

Erm achtually if you play this hyper specific build you can make 6 million attacks at level 2

[remote wadi]

Which yeah. I get that. But then you realize I am lucky to get double digit damage from an attack while I watched the boss take 4 different attacks each doing 3 bare minimum. With our Paladin doing close to 50

[vast pelican]

???

[knotty pasture]

Level 2 Paladins are doing close to 50??

[oak shoal]

In my game if you fire off a arrow and miss there's a chance it hits someone else

[remote wadi]

Yeah

[knotty pasture]

Bruh I was barely hitting 65 damage on a Paladin's crit Divine Smite with a legendary weapon once at level 4 lol

[oak shoal]

Sounds about right

[snow agate]

That’s even worse , because now while having a boring failed turn, I’m now hurting my Allies, so I feel extra useless

[oak shoal]

It's hilarious though

[remote wadi]

Remember. Perkin's Crits are a thing for this campaign

[snow agate]

Give the poor archers a break 💔

[tame estuary]

... huh?

ok, maybe you should talk to the party, maybe you're missing something

[lilac kelp]

I rolled a 1 at the archery range in real life one time and shot an arrow over the screening hill. We all had to go look for the arrow in the forest behind it and it was very freaking embarrassing.

[oak shoal]

If it makes you feel any better it could hit a different enemy

[knotty pasture]

Jeez and I thought I was cheating with 65 damage at level 4 cuz it was achieved with a legendary weapon

[vast pelican]

So you're comparing your miss to someone else landing a crit and capitalizing on that.

These aren't appropriate points of comparison.

[tame estuary]

crits ar 1 in 20 chances

[remote wadi]

You know what Perkin's Crits are, right?

[marble lion]

noone can understand my pain

[tame estuary]

if you don't enjoy the crit and it makes you feel like you aren't doing anything without the crits, talk to the table

[marble lion]

thats why i now play rogues and warlocks and oathbreaker paladins

[oak shoal]

Craaaaawling in my skiiiiiiin

[knotty pasture]

This is why you should always cast guidance on yourself duh /s

[elder tree]

I have officially killed 2 pcs bois (they didnt wanna play those characters anymore anyway so its fine)

[marble lion]

i did have good grades on religion class but i guess guidance cant fix a nat 1

[knotty pasture]

Sad

[snow agate]

Oh! Do the classic “your bowstring snaps” so now it’s even worse and you have to confront the idea that your experienced and trained archer has a 5% of breaking his bow when he shoots

[knotty pasture]

Better get magical bows instead of shoddy patchwork bows made from goblins in a village from god knows where

[tame estuary]

I think there's a breech of expectations here, the party's success is what matters most. not what cool stuff you are doing in that 1 round of combat

[snow agate]

“Dm why this goblin bow cost 50gp it should cost 5”

[oak shoal]

My last character watches us in the afterlife because he rolled a check the DM allowed me to roll. His name is big bird (he had a name but the nickname basically became his real name.) watches over us and smiles anytime we drink alcohol

[lilac kelp]

Another idea is that the bowstring slaps your forearm.

[remote wadi]

Also, is it a 1 in 20 chance? Yes
Did I stop the big battle from being effectively 1 in 160,000 chance to evaporate from everything but me? No

[oak shoal]

You poop yourself

[knotty pasture]

Blessed by the Goblin god Bhaal, it should be worth a gazillion gp but for the simple price of 50gp it will be sold

[snow agate]

Oh my god don’t get me started on descriptions where the description acts like the adventurers don’t have gloves or armor

[knotty pasture]

What's this? Bhaal isn't a goblin god? That's nonsense, the goblin trader told me otherwise

[elder tree]

One of the players in my game has done that enough times that ive genuinely made him a token for it.

[humble cairn]

Are you using 2014 Sharpshooter? You just discovered how accuracy is actually more important for overall damage.

[oak shoal]

I counter farted an ogre fart to pass the con sav

[elder tree]

and no i did not make him do it he did it of his own idea

[tame estuary]

they're complaining that the character that critted with an additional crit rules makes it feel like their character does practically nothing for the battle

[knotty pasture]

Anyways Ranger is fun and is an art, that is all

[lilac kelp]

Okay, you accidently release the bow and not the bowstring. It slaps you in the face. Happy?

[tame estuary]

looks like there's an easy solve for this

[elder tree]

i think you can tell his class based on that

[humble cairn]

It's better to consistently hit than to gamble on that -5 attack. I play a 2024 Ranger and am doing just fine.

[oak shoal]

No they must explode into a thousand pieces

[remote wadi]

Yes, but it felt like a lose lose situation
Take sharpshooter, back luck means you do nothing
Don't take the penalty, do pitiful damage that wouldn't have changed anything

[knotty pasture]

Was hitting like 90 damage on turn 1 at level 8 with Gloom Stalker, and I was messing around

[snow agate]

I was actually hoping for the “the snake bites your hand when you stick your arm in the hole, despite wearing metal gauntlets”

[oak shoal]

Gloom stalker my beloved

[knotty pasture]

That's like more than 50% of a boss's hp, which kind of spells the end of the fight then

[humble cairn]

It's not pitiful damage, I think you're too focused on big numbers? Also consistently hitting is better than doing 0 damage.

[oak shoal]

Oh how I missed playing my edgy drow gloomstalker

[tame estuary]

see that's where you're wrong, in a game without this so called perkins crit of yours, that damage will help a lot

because we're also expecting other people to miss in their turns

[snow agate]

Who is Perkins anyway

[knotty pasture]

Why not use Ensnaring Strike btw

[oak shoal]

Perkin Deez

[remote wadi]

What is 15-30 damage compared to close to 200?

[knotty pasture]

Restrain your enemy to give your team advantage on attacks

[humble cairn]

Contributing versus not contributing is what.

[tame estuary]

I feel like there's the additional rules that makes you uncomfortable with the game you're playing

[glass granite]

If a level 2 character is doing close to 200 damage, the DM messed up

[remote wadi]

No idea

[knotty pasture]

Lmao now you're just messing around, 200 damage at what level?

[tame estuary]

something that you can just bring up to the table and have removed

[humble cairn]

They don't have their subclass, so it's level 2.

[knotty pasture]

Not even my level 12 characters was hitting 200 in a turn even while Haste boosted

[oak shoal]

Isn't restrained one of the more nasty conditions in 5e or was it grappled?

[knotty pasture]

God if I could hit 200 in a turn the game would be trivalized...

[glass granite]

Restrained

[tame estuary]

I agree, it sounds unfun

[humble cairn]

Restrained, and yeah I use Entangle and the Net equipment all the time on my Ranger.

[remote wadi]

Not from one character
2 crits from Paladin, one crit from Guiding Bolt Cleric, 1 nat 1 saving throw against Dissonant Whispers

[glass granite]

Well, that’s 1/160000

[humble cairn]

And you could have made it 230.

[bronze wave]

200 dmg in 1 turn?

[remote wadi]

1 in 160,000, actually...

[tame estuary]

what are you trying to do in this chat anyway?

[glass granite]

I misread 1 crit from the paladin, then typoed

[oak shoal]

Complain

[humble cairn]

Stop using 2014 Sharpshooter, it feels bad because it'll make you miss.

[tame estuary]

are you just venting or are you having criticisms of ranger?

[eager marsh]

counting the damage of the entire party with several crits and multiple attacks of oppurtunity feels disengenuous

[humble cairn]

Or only use it when you already have Advantage.

[remote wadi]

Both. A little bit of both

[oak shoal]

I too have crititisms of rangers but I'm not aloud to say them on public chats

[tame estuary]

I feel like we're trying to help but you're trying to make us feel useless, is that what this is? projection?

[bronze wave]

they are mid]

[snow agate]

I’m guessing the real issue is that Perkins crits (presumably) do max damage and that’s how he’s getting these numbers because that’s the only plausible way I can see them reaching 200 on 3 nat 20s at lvl 2 with paladin and guiding bolt

[knotty pasture]

No I think this is just a vent of someone who thinks Ranger is cool but got disappointed cuz bad rolls

[tame estuary]

yes I've been saying that and I think they just think it's something that can't be brought up

[remote wadi]

Yeah. That is more or less the size of it

[bronze wave]

what is the convo here like whats the point

[oak shoal]

Ranger is awesome you just suck at playing it

[humble cairn]

So you were also down a whole Long Rest in comparison to everyone else?

[tame estuary]

please talk to the table if the perkins crit rules make you want to rip your skin off

[knotty pasture]

Its true but you shouldn't say it-

[oak shoal]

Who is Perkins crit rules and why is he ripping his skin off

[bronze wave]

with 30 con spells ig and random effects

[humble cairn]

Are we talking about chunky crits?

[bronze wave]

my goat paladins the best half caster

[remote wadi]

Failed Con Check when sleeping in clearly worn down beds, but also didn't have much options available

Don't really care THAT much about the long rest because all I would have gained was 5 HP and a spell slot

[vast pelican]

It's max dice rolls + normal rolled damage.

[oak shoal]

Well obviously

[remote wadi]

Extremely chunky

[humble cairn]

One spell slot being ... half your spell slots?

[bronze wave]

aura of protect my beloved

[remote wadi]

Yes

[oak shoal]

Currently using an oath of Vengeance Paladin and I'm rip roaring through enemy's

[bronze wave]

it is lvl 2

[humble cairn]

Ok I agree with the rest, this isn't a Ranger problem.

[oak shoal]

Straight dropping nukes on them

[bronze wave]

i like the channel divinity they have

[tame estuary]

moth are you still gambling?

[vast pelican]

Low level can feel really challenging.

[fossil hollow]

no, we got the 40k for the godzilla 5th grader

[oak shoal]

Conquest is the coolest tbh

[fossil hollow]

even got 2k extra for... fun stuff

[humble cairn]

Levels 1 and 2 are really swingy to begin with. And you're definitely not good enough with your weapon to start using that -5 Sharpshooter mod.

[marble lion]

i want to play in a theros campaign

[bronze wave]

that and redempetion are my 2 favw

[remote wadi]

So our Paladin did 1d6+6+2×modifier piercing damage
In addition to 2d8+16+2×modifier radiant damage

All from one Javelin crit and divine smite

[marble lion]

i want to play a spear and shield human with blonde hair and tanned skin who wants to immortalise his name

[fossil hollow]

my theros game just got cancelled 😭

[marble lion]

how would you ever cancel a theros game????

[fossil hollow]

not enough players

[marble lion]

the fates sure are cruel. dammit

[oak shoal]

100% I find that starting at lvl 3 allows for people to flesh out a character more and give a better backstory (and it feels better to start with a subclass)

[fossil hollow]

no, just klothys

[remote wadi]

I don't know if you saw, but my hit modifier is +8

[eager marsh]

Sharpshooter and great weapon mastery (2014. Reasons) are blatantly trap feats for human bonus feats or lv 1 feats. The -5 attack roll penalty is massive with how 5e scaling works

[lilac kelp]

Brad Pitt from Troy? :3

[snow agate]

I like light cleric the most but war cleric has the most aura

[remote wadi]

Meant to reply to this

[marble lion]

no. man

[lilac kelp]

Aw.

[fossil hollow]

which is why you go for cbe first

[oak shoal]

Death domain has the most aura

[vast pelican]

Our table is finishing our level 2 run tomorrow (at least, I hope so) and it's been fun but I'm ready for the reward.

[remote wadi]

CBE being?

[vast pelican]

I'm ready to double the number of my spell slots.

[fossil hollow]

crossbow expert

[bronze wave]

is it rlly? In most cases i felt its fine for classes that should take it. my battle master deals with it fine with +2 archery and a d8 to attack rolls

[eager marsh]

Not sure how you got a +8 at level 2 even archery fighting style and rolled stats for a 20 dex after racial only gets you +7

[snow agate]

Death domain is a goth girl, war domain is a metal gear rising villain, think about it

[fossil hollow]

+1 bow?

[remote wadi]

I unfortunately have a longbow. Not a crossbow

[eager marsh]

You are actively burning resources to use precision to compensate for a penalty that would otherwise handicap you that’s different

[remote wadi]

Bow proficiency with 18 dex and archery FS

[oak shoal]

I'm biased sorry but death domain has aura because I've played one and crit on a level 3 inflict wounds

[bronze wave]

i mean ya its a trade off for alot more dmg and the d8 can be a variable. the +10 dmg is a pretty big dmg buff imo

[lyric idol]

-5 isnt that bad. In endgame there are a lot of ways to get advantage and extra bonuses through magic items. A -5 can still be hitting a +10.

[snow agate]

Understandable

[bronze wave]

i also wouldnt take sharpshooter as my first feat normally

[eager marsh]

End game is irrelevant because I clearly said in regards to low level characters which they are

[fossil hollow]

-5 at tier 1 is essentially your entire bonus if you have 16-17 dex

[oak shoal]

It ended up being like 80 damage with my channel divinity and it was glorious

[bronze wave]

low tiers id say ya it is a bit more thinking for it

[eager marsh]

I somehow forgot to add proficiency here for some reason since it’s late sorry

[remote wadi]

I suppose, but my options were very slim. It was largely between it and Piercer, and SS sounded better at the moment...

[fossil hollow]

which is why ryu said it was a trap for vhuman and CL

[snow agate]

As an aside I do think GWM is better than sharpshooter because GWM will more commonly benefit from advantage since melee more commonly has advantage than range so the accuracy cost can be fine

[eager marsh]

Piercer is also mediocre imo

[remote wadi]

It's cool. I myself am trying to keep my cool. And failing miserably

[bronze wave]

id take asi dex prob. piercer and all those imo i find mid

[eager marsh]

Are you using exclusively 2014 rules?

[vast pelican]

Y'know, I guess they are actually kinda underwhelming feats.

[bronze wave]

i find alot of feats kinda mid for my gunsingler BM fighter

[remote wadi]

Dex won't help much. I already have 18

[bronze wave]

so.... get to 20?

[knotty pasture]

There's other decent feats on Ranger besides those two though

[remote wadi]

Working on it. Already chose Piercer

[eager marsh]

The limit is 20. However this is presumably a variant human feat so they can’t take a direct asi

[bronze wave]

ngl idk what ranger build your going for ngl

[vast pelican]

I'd talk to your DM about replacing sharpshooter if you're unhappy with it.

[remote wadi]

Normal human

[snow agate]

I think I just want to play a war cleric again so I can be overdramatic xd

[bronze wave]

id prob go crossbow expert or smth, for my gun slinger i went with gunner

[eager marsh]

Variant human gets the feat. Unless you are using 2024

[oak shoal]

Badass war speech hell yeah

[vast pelican]

Level 2 is still well inside the trial period, in my opinion, where you're figuring out how you want to play.

[knotty pasture]

Skill Expert, Chromatic Dragon, Lucky

[bronze wave]

lowkey lucky and alert are solid

[humble cairn]

Sharpshooter is fine, but more for the range and cover bypass than the -5/+10, especially at low levels. +8 is basically not good enough alone to make up for it, you only want to use that option when you know they have low AC or you have Adv or something.

[fossil hollow]

cant grab 2024 sharpshooter at level 2

[eager marsh]

I know that. And I know they are using 2014 rules. I was pointing out variant human isn’t normal human until 2024

[lofty fiber]

New dnd game was announced and had some draconic text at the end, I decided to translate to and got “aesthastrics arythix clavex versex haurach versel” repeated three times. This is gibberish to me but does it mean anything to anyone else here?

[eager marsh]

That’s not translated if it’s gibberish

[remote wadi]

Long story short, I was going to be outclassed by just about everyone if I stuck to normal Ranger gameplay. And by outclassed, I mean "on the path to having my redeeming trait be comedic relief, and not by choice"

Wanted to try to focus on good piercing damage from a range. Closest thing I could find while grasping at straws

[fossil hollow]

relying on sharpshooter is not going to get you that at level 2

[oak shoal]

It means they are a nerd and they want to be made fun of

[snow agate]

If I die in a PF1e game I’m in I’m gonna pull up with one since the war gods drip for priests is spiky metal armor and greatsword and prayers are loud metal percussion

[fossil hollow]

look around you and where you are for a moment

[oak shoal]

These theatre kids brought roleplay to my numbers game

[eager marsh]

You are clearly using 2014 rules. Are you also using the Tasha’s variant features that replace all the dead features on Ranger for good ones?

[remote wadi]

Others said it best, I am starved for choices as is

[fossil hollow]

yes, its good and best, but its not at level 2

[remote wadi]

Yes, but that still wouldn't help out much

[bronze wave]

ok so question is your basis for ref a crit that is a 1/16000000 chance? bc thats what it sounds like. also no subclasses yet and stuff yk

[lyric idol]

For +10 damage is still worth the risk. A low level fighter or rogue can make it work. A cleric can give bless.

[oak shoal]

Tasha high-key a baddy

[fossil hollow]

only if your enemy has shit ac

[bronze wave]

like what was the scenario for you to base this off. one single fight?

[bronze wave]

she has hideous laughter

[eager marsh]

You’re clearly having an issue with your expectations and there’s other feat options besides just sharpshooter you can use. Zephyr strike is also your imitation smite spell option

[lyric idol]

Faerie fire, prone, grappled, etc.

[fossil hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak shoal]

She also has a mind whip

[fossil hollow]

relying on it still isnt great at tier 1

[remote wadi]

Not sure what you are saying, but I said the odds because every damage dealing player but me somehow got one. The one exception was our Fighter, but he was in the frontline to make sure the boss stayed in one place

[bronze wave]

it can be worth but you def have to plan it out

[bronze wave]

im asking why do you think your dmg is so much worse? i joined the convo late but was it just for that one fight?

[fossil hollow]

and a bubbling cauldron

[eager marsh]

And? That has nothing to do with you being a Ranger

[bronze wave]

where you were down a long rest?

[fossil hollow]

this would be the exact same scenario if this was a fighter honestly

[oak shoal]

My brother's making a campaign and it's taking every bit of willpower not to powerbuild a wizard and take the most annoying spells

My inner demon says silvery barbs spamming divination wizard

[knotty pasture]

Also I mentioned the other feat choices too

[lyric idol]

Does sharpshooter require party effort and cohesion to use at a low level? Yes. Do I recommend it for new players? No. But its still a useful feat that when it lands can put level 1, 2, and even some level 3 spells to shame.

[bronze wave]

do it

[knotty pasture]

You don't have to go sharpshooter or piercer

[bronze wave]

Id say just do party planning and go sharp shooter

[snow agate]

Pick cool and not annoying spells because it gives you the plot armor buff

[knotty pasture]

Skill Expert, Chromatic/Gem Dragon, Lucky, good ol ASI

[humble cairn]

Nobody had a Bless or a Faerie Fire or something up?

[oak shoal]

So what I'm hearing is shield silvery barbs, chromatic orb, hold person, and fireball

[marble lion]

i do love that movie though dont worry

[bronze wave]

where is your absorb elements and augury....

[fossil hollow]

hold person shouldnt be on that list

[snow agate]

Wizards will have the entire repertoire of magics and only use spells that aren’t flashy aside from fireball

[oak shoal]

I like it though

[fossil hollow]

suggestion would be a better save or suck

[lyric idol]

Your exterior demons say cast fireball on the enemy regardless of whos in range as a divination wizard.

[bronze wave]

the original geas...

[oak shoal]

We used hold person to shove a power poll up a enemys place that the sun doesn't see much

[snow agate]

Evocation wizards looking at divination wizards like nerds as they casually fireball the party

[fossil hollow]

sculpt spell is gr8

[remote wadi]

I'll refresh you on the boss fight after 3 sessions

And mind you, this summary is still over half of the fight

Bard casts Dissonant Whispers, boss gets nat 1 saving throw, meaning double damage (6d6 psychic +m)
Paladin lands crit with javelin and chooses to divine smite, deals 1d6+2m+6 piercing, as well as 2d6+2m+12 radiant damage (and proceeds to do so again next turn)
Cleric gets Crit on guiding bolt, gets 4d6+2m+24 radiant damage

[lyric idol]

Divination wizard looking at evocation wizard as they actually fail skill checks.

[glossy mountain]

suggestion is nice because you can tell people to stop breathing

[snow agate]

Skills? You mean the rogues job? Pfft

[oak shoal]

Necromancer 2014 gotta be one of the wizard classes of all time

[glossy mountain]

nothing happens on nat 1 for saving throws

thats a house rule

[snow agate]

Necromancy 5e in general

[oak shoal]

It's definitely there

[fossil hollow]

chronurgy would like a talk

[lyric idol]

Ita definitely needs improving on the necromancy aspect. Oathbreaker paladin can do what they do.

[remote wadi]

No, but I did have Bardic Inspiration. It did not end well

[remote wadi]

I am fully aware of this

[knotty pasture]

Tbh even if you get a nat 20 on attack and damage rolls I doubt you'd hit that much harder

[humble cairn]

Well sometime the dice just don't like you.

[snow agate]

Necromancers will look at you like they’re masters of the dark arts as they animate a small handful of cr 1/4 creatures that a lvl 1 party could mop up

[bronze wave]

so your basing this off crits? and a homebrew verison of crits? (in which the paladin is using their few spell slots) And everyone is using spell slots in gen. like ya that's not a great comparison tho yk?

[knotty pasture]

Its just how Ranger is, at level 2 there's no damage gimmick

[oak shoal]

Ok but don't take it away from oathbreaker because that's 100% not the solution because how else will they get servents to help them aura farm

[bronze wave]

lvl 2 cleric has like what 3 spell slots?

[eager marsh]

Rolling a Nat 1 on a saving throw does not mean they take double damage

[bronze wave]

thats def not sustainable

[knotty pasture]

Besides Hunter's Mark and Ensnaring Strike but that's no Divine Smite levels of damage

[snow agate]

Serve the ruinous powers so you get to hang out with demons and liches

[lyric idol]

No and that would never be my suggestion. Necromancer should be enhanced.

[remote wadi]

Exactly. Even in the heavily unlikely scenario that I get a SS crit, that is 1d8 +26 piercing damage

[fossil hollow]

why does that sound like an mtg card

[eager marsh]

The +10 doesn’t get doubled either actually

[knotty pasture]

Ranger at level 2's kind of like that half martial class where you dump a spell to stop the enemy from moving and just annoy them with attacks

[oak shoal]

Oathbreaker paladin requirements is to aura farm with spikey plate armour at any given time

[snow agate]

Idk it’s a warhammer joke

[eager marsh]

Crits only double the dice rolled not flat mods

[knotty pasture]

Fortunately at level 2, everything has such low hp that being stopped from moving = certain death

[fossil hollow]

oh then its from the warhammer collab then

[snow agate]

Cool looking evil swords:

[oak shoal]

Double-sided great axe

[raw ocean]

Giving players flame swords with no sheath is peak

[oak shoal]

Who needs the shield

[fossil hollow]

thats where i got the name, theres a card that references the ruinous powers

[bronze wave]

I get where your coming from and that you feel your aren’t catching up to your party but like it’s not a great scenario? Let’s do the same example for you 2d8+4 dmg + 20 that’s not bad (hunter mark with a crit. Idk how your crit rules work fully so I might be a bit off)

[snow agate]

I’ll call “scary looking giant maul” for 500 Alex

[bronze wave]

That’s without smth like sharp shooter or whatever so clearly your char isn’t lagging behind frazy

[fossil hollow]

perkins crit is max normal die, roll extra

[bronze wave]

Also ya some lvls some classes are stronger then other. Paladins get THE ability at lvl 2

[remote wadi]

Again, Perkin's Crit

I do that much because it's 1d8 base
10 from Sharpshooter
4 from Dex
And 12 from both the crit dice and Dex Modifier for the crit dice

[fossil hollow]

so that would be 22 + d8

[oak shoal]

1d12 damage on a greataxe will forever haunt me because greataword is just better but I love greataxe

[bronze wave]

Which isn’t bad

[eager marsh]

Perkins crit applies dex mod twice then?

[bronze wave]

Well tech getting max dmg on a Ga is easier

[snow agate]

You know what, speaking of oathbreaker drip @oak shoal maybe the real answer is you should aura farm as all forms of paladin, since being stylish is essential to the agenda

[fossil hollow]

avg of 27.5 (im not going to bother with accuracy numbers) is not bad for level 2

[fossil hollow]

neigh

[remote wadi]

That is with both a crit and sharpshooter

[bronze wave]

🐴

[uncut zenith]

That's what I do too. Better chance of rolling more than you would've rolled without the normal hit.

[oak shoal]

Get this man a true

[eager marsh]

Cleave is much better than Graze however

[remote wadi]

Meaning it is the very definition of "all or nothing"

[knotty pasture]

Everything dies if you hit them with a 27-28 damage attack at level 2

[bronze wave]

You are comparing to other crits no? Like that’s the entire basis

[remote wadi]

And the odds are NOT in my favor

[fossil hollow]

Reg! how ya doing

[uncut zenith]

Livin the dream

[eager marsh]

Counting on crits is never in your favor

[oak shoal]

2024 rules are very interesting

[knotty pasture]

Ranger at level 2 isn't the powerhouse that is destroying every encounter within 3 turns as Gloom Stalker

[bronze wave]

I’m so confused what you’re getting at. Like your saying smth not in your favor while comparing to a scenario that wont occur normally

[knotty pasture]

Its more of a half martial as said

[bronze wave]

Like in theory my lvl 2 Paladin could beat a lvl 20 ranger

[eager marsh]

The better mastery for the weapon with the worse damage die range is correct balance realistically

[oak shoal]

Paladins are also very strong in early levels (Almost all levels lmao)

[bronze wave]

The best class

[fossil hollow]

kinda plateaus in power after level 8

[oak shoal]

It's one of the things that make love 2024 martials

[bronze wave]

Nah I got my goat aura boost (it’s a 20ft increase)

[eager marsh]

Classes are also not balanced for PvP or even a direct DPR comparison because a single fireball with 3+ targets blows every martial out of the water

[remote wadi]

That is barely two thirds of other damaging attacks
Cleric GB crit gives next attack roll advantage
Fighter Crusher crit means everyone gets advantage until their next turn
Paladin has no additional upsides from crits, but to say that our damage is comparable is a joke

[fossil hollow]

at level 18 though :(

[bronze wave]

I get mine at lvl4, I manifested it early

[umbral girder]

Yikes

[fossil hollow]

i wish i got your kuo toa mind to manifest such power

[oak shoal]

I got mine at level 0.5

[bronze wave]

Sure they all have to use spell slots or be in close range. And I think you do more dmg then the fighter no?

Also your crit thing REALLY helps out spells LIKE REALLY

[eager marsh]

2014 Ranger is still notably sad and 2014 Paladin is distinctly busted. I’m not denying those statements but your basis for these complaints is cherry picked and not a great example of average gameplay

[bronze wave]

I’ll help you out. Your next Paladin will have smite at lvl 1

[echo agate]

How does the double bag of holding bomb work on artificer, heard of it and kind or interested in the mechanics that allow bag of holding to so such a thing

[remote wadi]

...how exactly does that help with spells?

[fossil hollow]

i do play 2024

[humble cairn]

Chunky crits do very artificially inflate something like Guiding Bolt.

[eager marsh]

The bag of holding says it does that. Has nothing to do with artificer who cannot craft two bags at once using their features anyways

[humble cairn]

Because of how many dice you roll with Guiding Bolt, which is a heavy hitter single target spell.

[fossil hollow]

4d6 becomes 4 * 6 + 4d6

[oak shoal]

Level 1 spell slots for smites. Level two for utility. Level 3 for dropping nukes

[bronze wave]

If it’s max dmg think of how many dice you are rolling at max. It turns into a chunky attack. Normally there’s a chance it all just rolls bad lol bc there’s no flat

[zenith wind]

I love how most paladin optimisation guides have subclass into warlock, like bruh that’s practically an antithesis to their whole deal

[bronze wave]

9th lvl wish smite

[fossil hollow]

so average of 31 on a crit with guiding bolt

[bronze wave]

I make a pact with my god buddy