dnd-discussion

[knotty pasture]

Pick a class with guidance

[hushed mason]

But that's just me. 🙂

[hollow estuary]

I love stacking guidance!

[raw ocean]

Either way, deception or persuasion the ruling was buns

[knotty pasture]

Hopefully Enhance Ability too

Guidance doesn't stack, but at least one person in the team needs to have guidance

[raw ocean]

If I convince a dude not to shoot me, why do I have to convince the entire army base not to shoot me too???

[knotty pasture]

That's an example of a DM that shouldn't have let a roll happen at all, but did it anyways to give the illusion of choice

[raw ocean]

Either way, the campaign imploded like 10 sessions later

[knotty pasture]

We call those kinda people cambions

[raw ocean]

If it can be rolled, it's technically possible

[old sluice]

Well you convinced one dude, it doesn't affect the other dudes

Your DM still made a bad call of course

[raw ocean]

I convinced the one dude who saw me, he walked away, brought them back, then I had to roll for them

[lean wigeon]

this should ideally be abstracted

[old sluice]

Yeah that part is nonsense

[bronze wave]

How seems a good story to hear

[raw ocean]

Basically DM was throwing abunch of busted enemies at us and suddenly an entire demonic force came into the world [took 1 session to activate]

Wizard player who's like a veteran was dropping 700 damage sword falling nukes which they swear is RAW

DM has some anxiety problems with players not liking the campaign, and so he allowed us to use a fate card to basically go to an alternate time line

Wizard player fades away since they were from the floating magical island area and they were a magical being meant to help defeat the main threat

[hollow estuary]

11 levels of Fighter. At least 3 levels of Ranger to get Hunter's Mark and Dread Ambusher features. One in Hexblade Warlock for Hexblade's Curse.

[raw ocean]

We go on our merry way of not dealing with gorlock the destroyer

[knotty pasture]

For someone with anxiety over how people take the campaign, making someone roll for each soldier not shooting them is certainly something

[raw ocean]

DM just kind of diden't liked me using persuasion at all

[hushed mason]

3.5e may not be the right rule set for you. 😉

[raw ocean]

Asked a merchant for a bulk deal price after offering to buy like 90% of his stock, rolled a 38 on persuasion, and he said no...

[knotty pasture]

I don't really intend to go back to old school stuff, washed my hands off Wrath of the Righteous on Steam real fast when I found out it runs on PF1e rules instead of PF2e

[raw ocean]

Basically wizard switches over to some ranger and asks for 3.5 called shots mechanic

starts dropping infinite stun combos that can clear a homebrew dragon that's above ancient

[hushed mason]

There are no callled shots in 3.5e.

[raw ocean]

Oh path finder?

[hushed mason]

Yes, must be.

[raw ocean]

Sorry, I get the older mechanics mixed up since it was a 5E campaign

[lean wigeon]

called shots in pf1e is an optional system

[hushed mason]

I don't know much about PF. Like I said, I'm too lazy to learn other rules.

[raw ocean]

DM and player had a talk with me in the call for some reason and player basically said, "I can drop out of the campaign and co-DM if you want"

Later on DM, PM's the player saying they are kicked and whole fight yada yada "Why diden't you speak up while stagnant was in the call"

[hushed mason]

I would love a co-dm. Someone to run the monsters better than I can. Not even all of them.

[raw ocean]

DM promised not to kick them from the campaign server

Later on DM'd me asking if they should kick them?

Basically did a vote but the DM took the "Maybe?" answers as yes answers

[hushed mason]

I'm having to decide whether I kick a player or let another one walk. And I can't decide.

[raw ocean]

All the players got in the call to discuss some lying with the kick polls

Wizard player basically sent a long message calling DM a snake and needing to grow up

DM deleted the message, kind of tweaked

Then went around asking who told the dude that he was getting kicked

deleted the server and has gone radio silent

Very interesting campaign end...

It was my first tier 4 campaign so I guess it had some up sides

[hollow estuary]

I hate it when real life issues get into my dnd games, like I play dnd, so that atleast ONCE a week I get the chance to be anything but myself.

[raw ocean]

D&D is honestly the only thing holding me together

It's nice to take a break from reality

[hushed mason]

My current issue is that one player feels like another is talking over him and manipulating the conversation. He bottles it up and then has inappropriate explosions about it. I don't notice the talking-over most of the time.

[marble lion]

Keep encouraging him to speak up

[mystic shuttle]

In 2014 there was an ability that like “added +1 to crit” which basically made it so Nat 19’s were also critical hits like Nat 20’s, is that still a thing? Was that feature used more than once?

[raw ocean]

Did he have multiple upsets about this?

[marble lion]

So he doesnt bottle

[raw ocean]

Personally, I really like using the strat of immediately raising my voice to drill sergeant levels when cut off

[hushed mason]

Yes. The last one was after the game last week, and it was terrible.

[fossil hollow]

champion fighter and hexblade warlock

[marble lion]

That is indeed a thing and not only with fighter champion

Magic items can have it as well

[hollow estuary]

I wish they kept maneuvers as a base fighter thing

[fossil hollow]

although its not +1 to crit, they just say:

You score a critical hit on a roll of 19-20 on the d20 roll

[marble lion]

I prefer saying "let me finish please" or "let me finish" upon repeat offense in a firm but not yell

[mystic shuttle]

So it can’t stack?

[marble lion]

Drill seargant seems a bit scary

[fossil hollow]

no

[raw ocean]

As in drill sergeant I mean deepening my voice and continuing to speak, kind of like cutting through white noise

[hushed mason]

I have worked at circling back to players to make sure they have a chance to talk, but I guess I don't do it enough. IDK why he can't speak up/interrup. There's always a degree of talking-over when you play with voice-only.

[raw ocean]

Not full out screaming

But I usually only revert to this after being cut off three times or more in a session

[marble lion]

Oh i thought you meant shouting down a private who just tried to sneak his bunkmates pillow into the mortar

[fossil hollow]

if i notice a player is cutting off or talking over others i typically tell em to let the other talk

[hushed mason]

Oo. I'd forgotten about this episode. The Burt Reynolds episode. Not as good as the Bruce Campbell one. (Watching X-Files.)

[marble lion]

Which is that?

[raw ocean]

The only thing that gets me genuinely steamed in voice calls is beginning to speak at the same time as someone and having them accuse you of speaking over them

[modest gust]

after making a character, can i play?

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[marble lion]

I dont know names like that

[fossil hollow]

we dont run games in this server

[mystic shuttle]

Okay that’s good. I have an old stat block I made and one of traits is just “due to its strange anatomy specific internal structures cannot be targeted” which doesn’t really do anything mechanically so I’m trying to think what to do with it and that came to mind

[marble lion]

Its the delay. They hear you later and you them

[hushed mason]

Bruce Campbell is the Evil Dead guy. Also appeared as a thief in Xena.

[marble lion]

To them it sounds like you started talking after they were already 6 words in

[marble lion]

Neither of those help but what episode is it

[raw ocean]

You are right about that, the instant accusation part is my main worry

[fossil hollow]

well, part of a creature's body arent targetable in the first place, so youd have to make them targetable first

[hollow estuary]

Weapon swapping!

Attack with multiple weapons! Multiple Mastery Effects!

Slow + Push!

Nick + Vex?

The options are endless!

How to do this:

Attack with first weapon. Drop weapon.

Free object interaction to Draw second weapon!

Attack with second weapon that has a different property.

[marble lion]

Most ppl kinda forget about the latency i think

[hushed mason]

Oh. Burt Reynolds is Season 9, ep. 13 "Improbable"

[marble lion]

Ooooh that one great stuff

[hushed mason]

Bruce Campbell is "Terms of Endearment", season 6.

A favorite of mine.

[fossil hollow]

could look at Tromokrasis' mythic phase for inspiration. he doesnt have HP during that time, you attack and destroy his hearts instead

[hushed mason]

He plays a demon trying to have a normal baby.

[raw ocean]

Thoughts on the D&D movie?

[hushed mason]

Haven't seen it.

[mystic shuttle]

It is a large golem creature so that’s not out of the question but yeah; the feature should probably just be changed altogether

[raw ocean]

I watched it and it genuinely blipped from my mind afterwards.

[umbral girder]

Which one?

[distant cobalt]

I might make a dnd character of a tabaxi barb which uses a huge ass Katana two daggers (two daggers will be a rogue)

[raw ocean]

Honor among thieves

[umbral girder]

Ah yeah it’s a pretty decent movie

[fossil hollow]

its a fun movie

[umbral girder]

Better than the other two D&D movies

[fossil hollow]

encapsulates what your typical dnd group feels like

[hollow estuary]

Grappler Feat!

WOW! THIS FEAT IS THE BEST FEAT FOR MONKS! (even better then ASI 🤑)

You can punch + grab?

Grab anything?

Dex +1?

No movement reduction while grabbing?

SUPLEX A TARRASQUE RAAAH!

10/10

[raw ocean]

All I really remember is the scene of them ||Hiding next to some intellect devourers and the ID's just literally ignore them||

[fossil hollow]

still need to be huge to grapple a tarrasque

[hollow estuary]

🤔

[fossil hollow]

which is funny, since a lot of them had decent int

[marble lion]

That one is great

[hollow estuary]

okay but grappler still 10/10 feat

[fossil hollow]

really reccomend reading up on the full rules. there seems to be lots of holes into these

[marble lion]

I just started season 1 again for the 6th time so ill get there eventually

[distant cobalt]

I love tabaxis😍

[raw ocean]

IO iremeber gaving alej ideep ahtered kfd

Im actually bugging.

[fossil hollow]

the what

[hollow estuary]

OH WAIT yeah

Punch and Grab. When you hit a creature with an Unarmed Strike as part of the Attack action on your turn, you can use both the Damage and the Grapple option. You can use this benefit only once per turn.

Attack Advantage. You have Advantage on attack rolls against a creature Grappled by you.

Fast Wrestler. You don't have to spend extra movement to move a creature Grappled by you if the creature is your size or smaller.

Still 10/10

[hushed mason]

Does "tabaxi" still refer to a tribe of human people in Chult?

[raw ocean]

I remember not liking the druid for some reason

[fossil hollow]

you do not need to repost the thing in whole. i very much know what grappler does

[raw ocean]

I don't remember why

[fossil hollow]

we can no longer be friends

[raw ocean]

Wait was the druid the buff one or the skinny girl?

[fossil hollow]

both the human tribe and and the cat people. they both find it confusing

[hushed mason]

They're not the only ones.

[fossil hollow]

the druid, doric, is the red head

[distant cobalt]

I might make a rogue tabaxi that uses two daggers or two tantos

[marble lion]

That movie is great. Love the paladin

[raw ocean]

Oh, I didn't like the buff lady

[marble lion]

I liked them all

[fossil hollow]

whats not to like about holga 😭

[raw ocean]

I don't remember

[umbral girder]

The big weakness is you have Monk Hp and AC and now you grappled the enemy.

[marble lion]

I later saw weird stuff about the actor of the sorcerer but oh well seperate art from artist

Great character

[hollow estuary]

BLIND FIGHTING!!!!

A sense as a FIGHTING STYLE?!?

Busted much?!

10/10

[fossil hollow]

eh? ive always thought he was a decent gy offstage

[umbral girder]

Only 10ft of blind sight

[red steppe]

Imagine fighting Mystra(Midnight) as a BBEG in space whilst Live and Learn by Crush 40 plays in the background

[fossil hollow]

ok, you cant call everything busted... yknow, some things work as intended...

[hollow estuary]

So?! that means a invisible creature cant get within 10 ft of you

you can see in magical darkness. its amazing,

[umbral girder]

Unless they use silence or just do a stealth check

[red steppe]

Like Nystul's Magic Aura :troll_face:

[fossil hollow]

they can. blindsight doesnt do anything if they creature hides successfully

[raw ocean]

Oh I remember now, the actor was in fast & furious and I despise that movie and I jus't couldent get the thought of her being in a fantasy world out of my head

[marble lion]

Can i recommend not putting tons of spaces between each line? Its borderline spam
Please stop :(

You will be heard still

[raw ocean]

Blind fighting + pocket fent

[fossil hollow]

oh god, not the pocket fent again

[raw ocean]

Pocket pepper juice

[marble lion]

Pocket bees?

[red steppe]

Pocket purple wurm poison

[marble lion]

Pocket fireball

[red steppe]

Pocket arcane abeyance beads

[marble lion]

Pocket tarrasque

[raw ocean]

Pocket Sand but it's actually mini-golems that dig into their nervous sytem and start slowly breaking them down from the inside

[marble lion]

Oh dear im sold

[red steppe]

Pocket reduced size Szass Tam

[marble lion]

Take my pocket money

[raw ocean]

The mini-golems have already stolen it sadly

You look over to see your money slowly getting dragged away by ant-sized golems:

[marble lion]

Wait.... no this is just jojo

[raw ocean]

The reference has been found, eliminate them...

[umbral girder]

Wouldn’t weaken him, might even make him tougher

[raw ocean]

Pocket Mini-golems covered in fent and tabasco sauce go!

[hushed mason]

Ant-sized golems? Clockwork Menders.

[umbral girder]

Easier to abuse cover

[marble lion]

Vecna but he has 6 heads

[red steppe]

Free xp by helping an ant colony defeat another colony

Vecna but he only has 3 heads and a large torso

[raw ocean]

Finding an goblin cave in an XP game is a genuine gold mine ❤️

[fossil hollow]

i kinda want deadly company irl and in dnd

[marble lion]

Same

[raw ocean]

Deadly company?

[marble lion]

Well mostly irl but in dnd neat too

[red steppe]

Just play canon modules but with 3x encounters and everyone has to go monoclass Rogue

[fossil hollow]

even if im not gonna kill people, its fun to see toy soldiers and stuff actually do damage and fight

[marble lion]

My warhammer has never been so fun

[fossil hollow]

wait, imagine theres a fantasy version so they can be dnd minis

[red steppe]

Do you have 40,000 of them?

[marble lion]

Would be cool if i used minis at all for dnd

[fossil hollow]

A Stand in Jojo. Small toy soldiers that have actual weapons and vehicles (albeit on a small scale)

[marble lion]

Thats only like 1 regiment of my korps

[umbral girder]

That’s his cr15 servants

[marble lion]

Maybe a swarm beastmaster thing could work

[red steppe]

Said vecna variant can shoot explosive skulls from his head

[umbral girder]

Yeah sounds like what I was talking about

[raw ocean]

Oh, Bad Company!

[umbral girder]

The Skull Lord. A Sorcerer skeleton with 3 heads, explosions, and even more skeletons

[marble lion]

A genuinely evil lich bbeg with dumb henchmen muscleheads that are almost charmingly stupid

[red steppe]

I attempted a minecraft joke

[fossil hollow]

ooooh, i got their name wrong so bad lmao

[raw ocean]

They are also known as "Worse Company" too

[umbral girder]

Frieza moment

[marble lion]

Boss the adventurers are acting like a bunch of wise guys

[fossil hollow]

i always give them a skeletor voice

[red steppe]

Hades from Disney

[old sluice]

Is it the same speed? Because a bullet, even if it's that much smaller, will still kill you. Not to mention grenades. A toy grenade, provided it has the same proportional destructive ability, will still kill you

[raw ocean]

I give my liches the lich voice from adventure time

[marble lion]

Oh hes great but i meant big muscly goons

[fossil hollow]

theyre essentially downscaled weaponry and all. they even have tanks and helicopters

[marble lion]

You know supervillain henchmen type

[red steppe]

Ahh alright

[fossil hollow]

the one with the jersey accent?

[marble lion]

Brooklyn check this

Chicago works too of course

[fossil hollow]

oh, ive mostly been imagining the accents from batman arkham. since gotham is in jersey

[marble lion]

Uh is it i thought it was a mix

And entirely fantasy

Not in any real location i thought

[old sluice]

About Skull Lords... Am I the only one who prefered Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes' version of them over Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse's version?

[marble lion]

Oh wow its actually shown to be southern tip of new jersey in some comics from long ago. I had no idea

[fossil hollow]

yeah, gotham is canonically in jersey. which ecplains a lot

[fossil hollow]

their spell list got hit a bit yeah

[old sluice]

On the other hand they gained a deathly ray attack so... Eh?

[fossil hollow]

that basically replaced the cantrips they got

[old sluice]

I guess they wanted to turn it from a spellcasting support-commander of undead into... Well a blaster.

But it's just meh. Like, eyebite is cool! Enemies casting eyebite is fun. And finger of death! I love killing PCs with finger of death.

Especially if their zombie form gets to use their magic weapons.

[fossil hollow]

i do like it better as a Leader type monster

[old sluice]

It still has master of the grave and summon undead, that's all one needs to be a leader.

I like monsters with chill touch! Using chill touch on a downed PC puts so much fear in their eyes

[fossil hollow]

i downed a cleric with it, the skull lord identified him as the biggest threat

sent the returned with him to deal with the rest

[tame forge]

Anyone ever run necrobard?

[raw ocean]

When im necromancin, everyones dancin'

[hushed mason]

This would be a perfect time for the dancing skeletons GIF from classic Disney.

[frail epoch]

No dragonborn ?

Did everyone died ?

[stuck shuttle]

What about Dragonborn?

[frail epoch]

?

[stuck shuttle]

You said “no Dragonborn?”

[frail epoch]

Yeah i was like making reference of the megamind meme 😅

[stuck shuttle]

Ah

[frail epoch]

Yeah sorry

What's your character in dnd ?

[glass granite]

I have multiple

[frail epoch]

Oh okay

[glass granite]

But my next character is Valton Grey, a Dhampir monk

[frail epoch]

Oh okay me i have only one and i want only one 😅 my kaleb

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah I have quite a few as well

Actively playing Ghan Madrynn, my Goliath Watchers Dexadin

Will be having a special session in 2 weeks to give an epilogue to the previous campaign with Callhaud Einz, my Armorer Artificer

[frail epoch]

Cool have fun so

[inner silo]

How does mercy monk feel to play?

[glass granite]

VERY fun

You hit hard, are cool, get to poison people, and actually can heal yourself or allies
What’s not to love?

My first character was a mercy monk actually

[raw ocean]

My first character was a life cleric albino kenku

He never got the ending he deserved...

[hushed mason]

My first character was an elf thief in 2e. And the party decided to kill me when the DM introduced me. Turns out they didn't want to play with girls.

[lethal otter]

morning, how are yall

[hushed mason]

Can't sleep.

[lethal otter]

what time is it for ya

[hushed mason]

1:15 AM

[raw ocean]

I have seen alot of sexism in D&D throughout my entire life

[lethal otter]

thats late indeed.

[lethal otter]

Whoa, can i have some context

[hushed mason]

Oh, we were discussing 'first characters'.

[lethal otter]

Mhm

[hushed mason]

High school boys were stupid. It was a long time ago. My first character was an elf thief in 2e. And the party decided to kill me when the DM introduced me. Turns out they didn't want to play with girls.

[raw ocean]

Girl or not, L DM

[lethal otter]

I have never faced that as a player or dm?

[hushed mason]

Are you a woman?

[inner silo]

Will their healing be valuable even with two paladins in the party?

[lethal otter]

both our group and charachters are fiverse

[raw ocean]

How many campaigns have you played in/ran?

[lethal otter]

I am not, but i also face sexism in real life

[raw ocean]

Or do you play with the same group over and over

[lethal otter]

doing my fourth, planning my fifth

[glass granite]

Less required, but more healing never hurt nobody

[lethal otter]

as you can see next to my user, i dm for organiztion

[raw ocean]

I have been in like 34 campaigns

Never finished one...

I think I'm cursed sometimes

[inner silo]

I see, what about their necrotic damage? Is it influential?

[lethal otter]

34

[raw ocean]

[Never played a one shot although]

[glass granite]

Fairly

It hurts

[inner silo]

I see i see

[lethal otter]

But we have some players that are m, f, neither, trans and so are their charachters. And never have I (heard of a dm) that was sexist towards a player/charachter within our comunety

[raw ocean]

I would say 40% of them ended from all the players or the DM flaking, 30% Scheduling, 20% Group Drama, and the other 10% is just me leaving after not being satisfied with the way the game is going

[inner silo]

Would you say mercy or shadow is better on a largely melee party?

[snow agate]

goblins will see you teleport and say "he cant afford a steed"

[raw ocean]

"I can afford this fireball wand with a switch attached to it you green overused eraser heads"

[glass granite]

Can your party deal with your darkness/ do you know how to combat the downsides of darkness?

[lethal otter]

Maiby if there is a local comunety join thise, those are verry stable on the planning part

[raw ocean]

It's odd, but I enjoy the chaos of searching for a diamond in the rough.

[inner silo]

You mean putting darkness on a coin, taking it into my mouth and hiding it whenever it's not needed?

[raw ocean]

A bad campaign is a good story later in life.

[lethal otter]

Fair point

[glass granite]

That’s one way
I like using my character’s fake eye

[snow agate]

not me starting with clothes and 60gp

[inner silo]

A fake eye? That sounds pretty badass too

[glass granite]

I’ve seen someone do it with a sword and sheathe

[snow agate]

you can also do a lantern where the inside is dark instead of bright

[glass granite]

That is also a very nice idea

[raw ocean]

I do get quite upset whenever I join a campaign that specified EST time a multitude of times, just for some german guy that's picky about scheduling to show up

[snow agate]

understandable

[raw ocean]

I never understood why people join campaigns that match up horribly with their schedule

Just play PBP campaigns atp

[snow agate]

sometimes it can make sense because people have abnormal schedules, so being from a different time zone actually can be ideal; but yeah just please actually commit to a schedule

[inner silo]

I feel like open hand and four elements monks are very focused on control

[glass granite]

Eh, I play four elements as a striker, but yeah they’re amazing grapplers

[snow agate]

honestly all the 2024 monks are good just pick based on if you want to be a fighting game character, a ninja, or play avatar

[glass granite]

So are astral self monks

[raw ocean]

I usually look for times that fit my afternoons around 7-8PM EST starting time, so I can go into the night a tiny bit without worry

[lethal otter]

How i as a dm schedule "we play the first saturday of every month at 19.00 if you can't join let me know 24h beforehand (accept if its an emergency) if you cant play. We will go ahead without you"

[raw ocean]

I DM'd sometimes, although I feel bad admitting it but every time I got uber burned out pass session 5

[inner silo]

I see

[raw ocean]

But I think it's just a mix of personal stuff and the fact that most of the players I DM for are on the newer side and just loveee homebrew...

I do like Co-DMing though

[glass granite]

It’s really just up to what you want thematically, and personally preference

[inner silo]

I feel like way of the open hand or four elements would combo with my party better

[snow agate]

ok

[inner silo]

I want to punch a lot

[glass granite]

I think you shouldn’t think about that too hard, party comps to this much detail isn’t too important. Choose what fits or what’s coo-
Well, you chose the right class for that

[snow agate]

see theres a secret

your party didnt consider party comp this much. so neither should you

[flat wind]

Where would I go to talk about the D&D cookbooks?

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[hushed mason]

We have Crackers and Nuggets right here. Who needs a cookbook? (I once had a cat named Crackers.)

[raw ocean]

I remember the one time I played as the only frontline in a group of casters

I picked sentinel feat and I held down the fort

[inner silo]

I'll probably go shadow monk then and try to figure it out along the way. Back up character monk is settled then

@snow agate @glass granite thanks for the help!

[glass granite]

Always glad to see a monk!

[inner silo]

I feel like a mage slayer monk would be very goated, especially if it's a shadow monk

[flat wind]

Idk where to go to talk about the cookbooks, but I made the garlic knots from "Flavors From the Multiverse", and now I'm making an alchemist artificer that's themed around cooking. Even bought the new Artificer book, and I'm new to D&D 😁

[snow agate]

from experience shadow monk is already a mage slayer, mages cant really aim their spells if they cant see

• u can wallop them + stunning strike + grappler

[raw ocean]

Gotta start selling ram to afford more D&D books

[inner silo]

Alrighty, great!

I have a feeling we'll face a lot of casters after the circle magic trick we pulled off last session

[flat wind]

I also have previously made Röth Steak and Evermead. I just started cooking, and I'm genuinely excited to make a cooking-themed artificer 😁

[snow agate]

the main thing to note is that the majority of spells that affect others require you to
A: see the target
B: see the area you want to target
so if you

• cant see
  you cant use effectively

so just drop darkness on the mage and then kick him in the teeth

[raw ocean]

I found this antique Japanese slot machine from the 90's, I was planning on customizing it with new decals and lights to make it D&D themed

[inner silo]

Alrighty, will do!

[raw ocean]

I do wonder what I should put on the slots though

[hushed mason]

WHat exactly does 5e darkness do? Because 3.5e darkness doesn't make it pitch black. It creates shadowy darkness and grants a 20% miss chance.

[snow agate]

its probably better if you just read the spell

[glass granite]

An area of pure darkness that not even darkvision can pierce

[raw ocean]

Magical darkness spreads from a point you choose within range to fill a 15-foot radius sphere for the duration.

15 foot orb of magical darkness basically

[hushed mason]

Mechanically, what does it do?

[snow agate]

its just a black orb

[raw ocean]

Blocks dark vision and nonmagical light

[snow agate]

its a black orb, you cant see through it or in it

[hushed mason]

So, total concealment?

[raw ocean]

Yeah

[snow agate]

do you know what blind means?

[glass granite]

It blinds everything
So it nullifies the invisible condition, breaks sight, and makes everything neutral. Total concealment

[raw ocean]

Mix it with blind sight if you are feeling spicy

[snow agate]

yeah

[inner silo]

Btw shadow monks being able to see through others magical darkness also feels like a very useful thing that you may not notice at first

[glass granite]

No, you notice it. Fast

[raw ocean]

Darkness 5E can also cancel out some other light spells

[glass granite]

It’s SUPER nice

[raw ocean]

Can't you literally make someone go insane if you just spam cast darkness and silence over them for like 3 hours

Or just like a dark room and silence spell

[glass granite]

They can just move

[raw ocean]

My trusty 20 immovable rods surrounding them beg to differ

[hushed mason]

Sounds like a great time to take a nap.

[raw ocean]

Napping in D&D would be so nice

Just be able to instantly pop up a hut, summon hot cocoa, and a fluffy pet

[hushed mason]

Isn't that what your 'short rests' are?

[raw ocean]

True

[Rest of the party sleeps on the ground outside in the winter]

[snow agate]

this is the real reason to be a wizard

also the flying broom so you never need to walk again

[raw ocean]

Resisting the urge to throw a table at the barbarian character that's acting like a dooche bag [It's what their character would do]

I genuinly hate it when barbarians are tough mean guys off the bat

Can't they bake cookies or something?

[wet trail]

conan is a tough philosophical guy, barbarians should be like him

[snow agate]

i think my favorite barbarian ive seen was just a CE psychopath who liked chopping people

he was very energetic

[raw ocean]

I remember a drop slime dropped on the party barbarians head

I thought I could scare it off using fire and I accidentally lit the slime on fire

I put it out and saved the dude from suffocating

and the dude said "I rolled an 18 to hit you"

I am so glad that dude left because broski

[snow agate]

xd

[hushed mason]

I played a barbarian once. It was right after Savage Species came out, and another player wanted to play a thri-kreen. When they joined the party, we were in the middle of combat in the dark, and it was like this giant mantis came out of nowhere. And didn't introduce itself... it just made chittering noises. Now... what would you do in such a situation? You're beating up some goblins and a giant insect comes out of the dark, waving it's little insect legs and chittering?

My character hit the monster with a critical hit and cut it in half.

If you're going to play a monster, speak up and identify yourself.

[snow agate]

i have reached lvl 12 barbarian and ive been having a good time

so far the biggest foe slain and eaten is a purple worm

[raw ocean]

My last bard was a financial monster

Had the party sorcerer in debt at 11,400 gold, increasing by 5% in value weekly

[hushed mason]

Nice racket.

[snow agate]

LE bard

[raw ocean]

College of glamour bard

[hushed mason]

Now now, the bard is entitled to make a fair return based on the risk involved. And loaning that much gold to an adventurer is certainly a risk.

[snow agate]

says who? the feds? i know what you are devil

[raw ocean]

You know my character had some pretty high persuasion and he could do some crazy illusions, if only the DM didn't give every single enemy true sight and high wisdom!!!

[hushed mason]

A Conservative Paladin comes out and lectures you on the righteous virtues of capitalism.

[raw ocean]

Do you know how it feels to have the entire point of your character STRIPPED away from you

Oh im still so angry about that

[snow agate]

now im imagining the other form of conversative paladin where they throw moneylenders out of the temple

[hushed mason]

Pfft.

[raw ocean]

My bard was eternally youthful to so he had all the time in the world

[hushed mason]

It wasn't the moneylending that was the issue; it was WHERE they were conducting business.

[hushed mason]

That may be, but adventurers die prematurely.

[raw ocean]

500 years later and the sorcerer would owe him 10^555

[raw ocean]

My character was actually insanely hard to kill

[hushed mason]

I'm not talking about you; I mean the sorcerer.

[snow agate]

if i owed that much money id just not pay

[raw ocean]

Ohhhh, yeah I put it in the contract that I get all of his worldy belongings if he died

I predicted that

[snow agate]

at what point is it justifiable to assassinate your loan shark

[hushed mason]

I see. So their net worth would cover it. Just hope they don't fall into lava or get swallowed whole.

[hushed mason]

That depends on which paladin you ask.

[raw ocean]

Oh the bard was a vampire, they are coming back and working off that debt

[snow agate]

oathbreaker would say whenever you want

[raw ocean]

Necromancy is so good for unpaid labor

[hushed mason]

The vampire can undo death?

[raw ocean]

He can turn people into zombies

Zombies can follow orders, and work in sweat shops

[hushed mason]

Again, fall into lava or be swallowed whole suggests that there would be no body to zombify.

[raw ocean]

Hmmmm

[snow agate]

now imagining a quest hook where some cleric recruits you to save their sorcerer friend from a vampire loan shark operating undead labor camps by killing all of them

[hushed mason]

If there is a body, then there is gear to collect. It's just some forms of death mean... no body/no loot.

[raw ocean]

True res them, tier 4 campaign

[hushed mason]

Do they have to come back? If I owed that much money, I'd just stay dead.

[snow agate]

real

[raw ocean]

Soul contract, my bard was very big on deals

[hushed mason]

I see.

[snow agate]

yeah im calling the angels on you

[raw ocean]

But he wasen't so cruel to force his teammates

But anyone else... down to the mines

Well, that campaign ended suddenly so felix will never get his conclusion

[hushed mason]

See? The contract wasn't so fool-proof afterall.

[raw ocean]

Either way the sorcerer was slowy turning into an illithid

Illithid cancer

[snow agate]

i think the meanest character i played was just a corrupt bureaucrat who cared most about collecting connections and looking good

[raw ocean]

I tend to try to avoid characters that are mean to people maliciously

[snow agate]

i feel like making your ally a debt slave counts

[raw ocean]

But if it's funny, the insult is going through

[raw ocean]

Hey, dude said he would pay it back soon enough

That's on him if he didn't

[snow agate]

the concept of mercy is lost on the lawyer

[raw ocean]

lmao

Gotta find a PBP campaign later

gn fellas

[hushed mason]

Bonne nuit.

[raw ocean]

Don't let the kobolds steal your moss while you sleep!

[clear dew]

does anyone know some good dnd campaign, that I could watch on live, like on twitch or yt?

[still plover]

Message boards. Here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/looking-for-players-groups

[lethal otter]

Hello, i have returned

how are yall

[glass granite]

I am

[hushed mason]

I can't sleep. Still.

[glass granite]

Yeah that’s rough

[lethal otter]

don't mean to offend. But maiby but your phone away?

[glass granite]

Well, that’s a good pint tbf

[lethal otter]

sometimes thats all we can do

[hushed mason]

Phone? I'm sitting at my desk on my PC.

[lethal otter]

Then maiby actually go to bed

[hushed mason]

I did try that.

[glass granite]

“When at first you don’t succeed…”

[hushed mason]

Hence the whole 'not able to sleep' thing. :/

[glass granite]

Maybe go on a walk?

Idk, I thankfully don’t have problems with sleep very often

[lethal otter]

I do

[hushed mason]

Not a good idea. I could get eaten by a bear. It's dark out. There are cougars out there, too.

[glass granite]

Eat the bear

But yeah, maybe not

[lethal otter]

but thats due to depression

[hushed mason]

That's possibly what this is.

[lethal otter]

Can i pm you with some advice

[hushed mason]

Certainly not wanting to go out for a walk is more related to THAT than it is to being afraid of bears.

[foggy river]

I'd be more worried about running into my neighbor across the street than running into a bear...

Then again, he's a jerk.

[wheat herald]

@weary moth we move here

[weary moth]

@wheat herald aiden literally has the goats head on him

tf you mean atilla befriended a goat

[wheat herald]

There was a whole barn

Aiden only killed one goat out of like 10

[weary moth]

we only found one of the goats

[wheat herald]

There was one on the barn still that you described

[weary moth]

btw aidens orb is inanimate

[wheat herald]

It’s his GOD

He’s a warlock it’s his patron it is what holds his spells and it’s his magic 8-ball that he talks to

[weary moth]

the 8 ball is in his head hes insane

schizophrenic

[wheat herald]

No it’s a physical object

[weary moth]

how would u know?

[wheat herald]

Dude even he told us this and it’s an item warlocks can start with to be the thing to hold their spells

Only Aiden can hear it but it is sentient

[lethal otter]

bonjour, i have returned

[wheat herald]

Hi

[lethal otter]

is it okay to say "bonjour"?

[glass granite]

Release returned this instant!

[wheat herald]

Yea that’s ok

[glass granite]

It’s one word, you’ll be fine. Plus it’s common enough

[hot gate]

Moin

[lethal otter]

Whats todays convo about

[hushed mason]

I said 'bonne nuit' earlier, and no one corrected me.

[wheat herald]

@weary moth trying to find a way to balance and punish the party he dms

[hot gate]

People being excited about their session.

[glass granite]

Why is naming so goddamn hard (yes I just made one)

[hushed mason]

Ooo. I made a great name the other day.

[lethal otter]

It isn't. When naming towns, npc's and even campaigns. I look at different languages like french, german, lating, dutch, english etc.

then my names in game actually have some meaning

[hushed mason]

"Zorastine Gebesstha" is a level 9 human conjurer that my party will encounter somewhere in the Fortress of the Yuan-ti (the adventure I'm using).

[lethal otter]

The beginning town in my new campaign is litterly called "Anfang"

[hot gate]

As a german speaker, heh

[lethal otter]

Thanks, my country is trilangual

[wheat herald]

One of the dms in a campaign @weary moth and I were in killed my character by having a bullet train fly through a wormhole and kill me because I considered burning down a village

[lethal otter]

so sometimes i even combine the lagnauges

German, dutch anf french

[weary moth]

what is this incoherent slop?

[wheat herald]

Wills campaign

[weary moth]

oh

[wheat herald]

Where I got murdered and got to come back as a goblin alchemist

[hot gate]

I love taking actual names, so I usually rely on lists of current and old time names.

[glass granite]

I’m bilingual (kinda/almost), but Vietnamese doesn’t make great names for English speakers. Sometimes I’ll take the direct translation tho (the sky paladins are nicknamed “The face of heaven”, which is sky’s direct translation into English)

[hot gate]

The Face of Heaven is a great name, I love it

[hushed mason]

The last city I named was Edess'Stal. The adventure called the city "Pedestal", and I thought that was kind of... infirm.

[glass granite]

Gotta love Asian languages and killer (or completely ridiculous) names or translations

[lethal otter]

Shouldn't ya sleep

[hushed mason]

Yes, soon. Ten more minutes.

[lethal otter]

I mean, when learning japaneese you begon to notice most charachter names are afwul puns

[glass granite]

Mhm

[wheat herald]

Sounds like some ancient fighting style for a monk or something

[glass granite]

I learnt Japanese for a year and a half (forgot most of it, but eh I can read katakana, hiragana and some kanji)

[lethal otter]

nice nice

how many languages do yall know

[glass granite]

2, though I’m only semi fluent in one

[reef tundra]

1.5 /j

[lethal otter]

2 languages masterd. And i know french enough to survive in france

[hushed mason]

I can only converse in English, but I sang in Latin, Italian, French and German, though. I also know enough French to survive in France.

[glass granite]

I know enough Viet to survive there, and I’m fully fluent in English

[lethal otter]

Same here

english isnt my first language tho

yall can guess what it is (verry easy tbh)

and in what language do yall dm?

[glass granite]

English

[lethal otter]

for me its both english and dutch. As some people i dm don't know dutch, and others i dm don't know english

[glass granite]

None of my friends are remotely fluent in anything Asian, let alone Viet

So I DM in English (I’m also far better in English)

[lethal otter]

Fair point fair point

[slim dock]

I’m lookin for a game on Tuesday mornings (PST)

[lethal otter]

I think you should go to #looking-for-dm or #looking-for-players

[wheat herald]

#looking-for-players #looking-for-dm

[slim dock]

Thank you

[wheat herald]

Just about to say that

[lethal otter]

my speed was greater

[glass granite]

Read #find-a-game to find out how to post there

[hushed mason]

Alright. I'll attempt sleep again. 🙂

[wheat herald]

I have a funny idea

[peak forum]

Is anyone else having issues with dndbeyond?

[lethal otter]

Leme check

Nope

[lethal otter]

Whats your funny idea

[wheat herald]

There are two

One is instead of leveling up in one class you just multiclass again

Into every class

[glass granite]

Been done before, we know it sucks

[wheat herald]

And once you unlock all just level them up once in order you got them

[wheat herald]

It would be funny tho

[glass granite]

We have different definitions of funny then

[wheat herald]

Mildly irritating then

And the other Idea is you know how mage hand can’t deal damage or choke someone or harm them

Well you chose where it is (doesn’t say in sight) and how big (most assume it’s hand sized) so you can summon a tiny one in their artery to the brain and let them die of a blood clot

Perfectly legal btw

[hot gate]

Not at all, but you can run your game how you want. 😅

[glass granite]

Last I checked, that was damage
And (almost) no DM would allow that, so not legal

Also, again, been brought up before

[wheat herald]

Oh

Sad

[still plover]

If the players can do it, the monsters can do it!

[wheat herald]

Yay

[unreal halo]

ello guys. about to start a new campaign with 3 friends (1 of them dms, the other two are playing for the first time). the newbies are playing barb and bard. what do you think would be a decent option to round the party out for em? probably celric or druid, right?

[glass granite]

Up to you, cleric and Druid are good choices tho

[unreal halo]

i like playing pretty much everything. i want to pick something this time that rounds it out and makes it a bit smoother for them

it's not gonna be my forever char anyways most likely

would be a first that my starting char doesnt get killed somehow :p

[edgy tulip]

Can anyone dm me some websites that have lists of items with prices? I dont know it this channel will allow links, that's why im asking for a dm

[glass granite]

Links are allowed

[edgy tulip]

Oh ok, completely ignore the dm request then 🤣

[hushed mason]

Do you mean this? https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment?msockid=3e5ecaae5e94616d2421dfb05f1a605d

[stuck yacht]

ok so should i go for a : half quickstep half fairy ( basically a fairy who can zip around with a speed of 50ft ) wild magic sorcerer
OR
half quickstep half goliath barbarian ( basically goliath w movement speed of 50ft )

im very split and ive got a campaign coming up very soon so i dont know what to choose ! i just need a 2nd opinion and ith this would be a good place to start

[merry glen]

Fast Goliath easy

[stuck yacht]

may i ask why choose the goliath over the fairy ?

[stuck shuttle]

Are you using homebrew species mixing rules?

[merry glen]

I think a fast Goliath would be funnier

[stuck shuttle]

Cause I already know Quickstep is homebrew (since it's from the Book of Ebon Tides)

[stuck yacht]

aaa true . good point ill use that then .

[stuck yacht]

ith its just using races from other books

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah Quickstep is unofficial, I'm assuming your DM already approved though

[stuck yacht]

yea he did

[stuck shuttle]

Aesthetically it just depends on what you want, mechanically it depends on how you're handling half-species / mixed species outside of Custom Lineage

[stuck yacht]

ok gotcha . thank you for the help !

[gaunt roost]

hey, I have a question I am a bit stumped on. Researching different monsters, I came across sorrowsworn, which are a type of shadow creature, manifestations of the shadowfell themselves. My issue is, they are... monstrositys? Despite the other shadowcreatures (shades, Bodaks, Nightwalkers etc) that explicitly are manifestations of the shadowfell being undead? It gets even more confusing because some of the lore literally says they are fragments of dead people?

whats the lore reason that these manifestations of dead peoples emotions are living, breathing things?

brought forth by a plane that is literally all about how it cannot sustain life?

[merry glen]

I’d classify them as aberrations personally

[gaunt roost]

I get that, but as they are written rn, they need air, food, water and sleep, and are viable prey for any of the other shadow creatures, which seems like a very weird choice for a creature that originates on the shadowfell where you got nothing they can eat/drink and they also do no have a return mechanic like most higher undead

as they are written rulewise and lorewise rn, they should die of thirst within a week of spawning, if they arent eaten by shadows in their sleep

I mean they are the same monster class as a Roc, and noone would claim a Roc doesnt need to breathe

[edgy tulip]

No, I saw one that had lists of food items, rope, simple tools and weapons and it had the amount of gold it was worth beside it, is there anything like that?

[gaunt roost]

I was just wondering if there are any lore reasons this is the case? Or is this just a case of "Damn they have a cleric uh no these shadowcreatures are actually monstrosities, you cant turn them" and bad writing?

[old sluice]

So I like the fact that you're thinking in terms of ecology. Worldbuilding is born from questions like those. If we accept the fact that they could be prey to the other monsters of the shadowfell: How do they avoid extinction at their hands? Which behaviours protect them? What do they eat, where do they find water?

What I mean is that, rather than say 'this is incoherent', I think it is more productive and creative to make it coherent.

[still plover]

Monstrosity, sure. I assume the published stuff has had more thought than I want to put in.

Maybe they can subsist on things others wouldn't consider food, or maybe they genuinely do get spawned, exist, and die again in a week. World of magic, after all.

Do feel totally free to change it up for your game. In mine, I said abyssal and celestial were mirrors of the same language. Not a canonical position, I feel!

[still plover]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment

[edgy tulip]

YES thank you

[old sluice]

Sorrowsworn are born from the negative emotions of the shadowfell, yes?

Maybe they indeed do exist just for that. Very ephemeral

[pulsar cloak]

Hi

I'm new to dnd can someone help me pls I need people to be players and one experienced dungeon master

[gaunt roost]

Some embody emotional suffering, yes, others are "fragments of death incarnate", those are the two general classes, and they got 5 and 3 subclasses to those two types if the wiki is to be believed

[gaunt roost]

#find-a-game

[pulsar cloak]

I got a terrible DM from that

[gaunt roost]

define terrible DM. Did he ask you to roll for seducing the barmaid or did he say you cannot use bonus actions because its unfair to his monsters?

[pulsar cloak]

He was never available to play a single campaign and the only time we ever played one, he didn't work out the rules beforehand

[gaunt roost]

also there are plenty of games and dms out there, statistically they cannot be all great/ a good fit for you personally. Please do not be discouraged, a better fit for you is out there somewhere!

[rough basalt]

Ah so a "DM who wants to want to run a game more than actually run it" DM

[gaunt roost]

yeah, the "I have a great idea in theory"

"So I know I want to make an epoch spanning epic, that ends with you killing god" "Ok cool, when do we start" "Oh I dunno, make level 1 characters I guess and I figure out which epoch and which god in the meantime"

[crimson island]

So

Is there any way to get warlocks more than 2 spell slots?

[gaunt roost]

Yes, reach level 11

[crimson island]

Ah I am level 8 :[

[gaunt roost]

joking aside, multiclassing and feats

[crimson island]

Nah I just died and decided to play a warlock yuan-ti

[gaunt roost]

those feats usually give you fixed spellslots, not Pact Slots, important, but sometimes you just need that extra misty step or invisibility. Multiclassing is highly risky as a warlock as your spellcasting notably doesnt multiclass. Warlocks are weird that way

[crimson island]

Maybe

But I want more dexterity so I can up my AC

[stark arch]

would this work? using grim harvest and vampiric touch on my phantom steed to heal my self??

[crimson island]

Probably

[loud tendon]

Warlocks get spell slots back on short and long rest though, so if you can convince the party to rest it feels a bit less like only 2 slots a day.

Other classes can benefit from SR too so its not like you'd be stalling the group much.

[gaunt roost]

a fairly normal and quite powerful combo is if any other spellcaster in your group picks up catnap, a spell that lets you 3 creatures complete a short rest in 10 minutes. It is a level 3 spell though, so its expensive, but it would give your warlock all their spell slots once a long rest within 10 minutes

[crimson island]

Perhaps

[merry glen]

Bag of rats

[gaunt roost]

cries in paladin only long resting

[stark arch]

probaly going for a cage with bunnys

[gaunt roost]

The steed has 13 HP, but instantly ends if you deal any damage to it, so yeah you could vampiric touch it, but if you dont deal 13 damage at once with 3d6 you would "only" get the half of whatever damage you did

Im not sure that an average of 5 HP (10,5/2) for a level 3 spell (and a ritual summoned steed I assume) is worth it, given that false life will just give you 2d4+4 for an average of 9 for a level 1 spell

[rough basalt]

Keep in mind that's considered exploiting so a DM might not allow it

[merry glen]

That’s hilarious man go for it

[stark arch]

stil +9 from grim harvest on kil i asume

[formal bolt]

! Question! Is there a species trait, spell, or any ability in the game that allows you as a player to transfer the healing done on to yourself to another creature instead?? I haven’t found anything but thought I would ask.

[stark arch]

unles it doest die. just fades away?? wonder how grim harvest works on that

[gaunt roost]

A DM might rule that you cannot gain more life energy from a creature than it actually has with vampiric touch (so no overkill crit healing 18 HP from a 1 HP rat), and its technically not a spell casting after turn 1 where oyu do the first touch, because after that its "just" a magic action and thus doesnt count against your leveled spell per turn

[rough basalt]

Also since it's an exploit a DM might just flat out say no

[merry glen]

I’m more talking about grim harvest than vampiric touch

[gaunt roost]

Only if you kill. Damaging something that then unsummons will not trigger grim harvest, as the spell ends it just leaves, therefore if you dont deal the whole 13 HP and reduce it to 0 in one hit, grim harvest wont trigger

[stark arch]

doest it need a full minute to disapear ?

[gaunt roost]

only under normal circumstances, if you deal any damage it ends the spell early as per the last sentence

[stark arch]

ok

geus that trick is out of the window

[gaunt roost]

and grim harvest only triggers on spellcast, so consecutive attacks with vampiric touch would technically not trigger it, even if the damage originates from a spell cast in a previous turn. Its weird rules shenanigans, and for vampiric touch I personally would make an exception, but RAW thats how that works I think

[merry glen]

There’s probably a sage advice on this, it’s part of the spell so I’d allow it, especially with 2014 rules

[stark arch]

i gota see how the my dm would handle this

[loud tendon]

If you had the steed out and the situation was dire.. vampire touch as a one off a DM might be like.. creative use..

But if you call up the phantom steed and are like "This is my loyal mount 'Juicebox'" and proceed to use it for top ups all the time it would feel a lot like cheese.

[lethal otter]

Bonjour

Is lego mini fig good miniature replacement

[merry glen]

Absolutely, especially with a Lego grid

[merry glen]

Both are third level spells, if they wanna be creatively inefficient I say power to the players

[rough basalt]

Ye like they put killing non-combatants for healing and stuff in the social contract section of the new DMG for this reason.

[stark arch]

taking 44 min to summon 4 steeds and start draining there life force XD

[lethal otter]

Your username is reminding me if smthn

Ah. No, one of the bosses in our countries dnd organization is called captain asthma

[loud tendon]

I understand that.. as the other users and I were saying it might be viewed like cheese or exploit by some DMs.. but some not. And so maybe not all the time.

[merry glen]

Lmao

[gaunt roost]

I mean the max they could get out of Juicebox after spending 10 minutes and a level 3 necromancy spell would be 9 (max damage roll on 3d6 without crits)+9 grim harvest. 18 HP for 10 minutes investment (20 if they want their horse back to ride) and a 3rd level spellslot is honestly not fantastic? False life upcast to level 3 would get 2d4+14 for an average of 19 Temp HP, and that doesnt require horse torture

[lethal otter]

To he's the captain

[loud tendon]

Sure.. I'm agreeing with you on it not being a super effective use.

[merry glen]

I’ve been DMing for a long time, I’d totally allow it, there are way more broken things as part of the rules, I don’t think it’s my job to tell the players what they can’t do as long as it’s in the rules and makes sense in lore

[lethal otter]

Whats conversation about

[rough basalt]

Just saying that it is an exploit and your DM doesn't have to allow it.

Not that a DM can't allow it

[lethal otter]

Visible confusion

[loud tendon]

And that's totally cool.
What we have been saying is not all dms would. And it might not work with both features as suspected due to the nature of Summon steed.

[idle oar]

Summoning a creature and using vampiric touch to get HP from it

[gaunt roost]

We are talking about how viable it is to drink your horse. I hope that helps

[rough basalt]

Or doing the bag of rats

[lethal otter]

Power word liquify

[idle oar]

Big old caveat of "Ask your DM"

[rough basalt]

Yep and can't whine when they say no

[shy kestrel]

just wondering, what do you consider an exploit? something that goes against the spirit of the game? or something not RAW?

[lethal otter]

Easy way to drink a horse

[merry glen]

How do we define exploit? You’re using vampiric touch on a creature with hit points, doesn’t matter to me if it’s a summoned creature or a captured rat. Obviously not all dms would allow it, that’s so obvious I don’t even know why we need to state it that’s just common sense, I’m just saying that it makes sense and I’d allow it and I’ve allowed similarly creative spell uses, much to my campaign’s benefit

[rough basalt]

Something that acts outside the intended rules from unintended interpretations based on language used of the feature

[gaunt roost]

You can sulk a little bit. If you arent trying to emotionally manipulate your dm into letting you do cool crap in the game, even if just once as an emergency, are you even playing dnd

[merry glen]

How do we know what they’re intending? You’d need sage advice for that

[rough basalt]

No it's in the '24 DMG

They added a section based on player behavior and among it was exploits

Like peasant railgun or bag of rats, specifically stated

[pallid haven]

where to find cheat sheets and character class feats?

[gaunt roost]

Yeah I like that hey picked up the peasent railgun as an example. They really do listen

[lethal otter]

Imagine, level 20 twilight cleric. What to do about it?

[rough basalt]

Same rules

Bag of rats wasn't intended in 2014 either, that's why they addressed it

[gaunt roost]

Dont cheat your sheets! Also dndbeyond has a lot of free stuff available, are oyu looking for anything specific?

[pallid haven]

character class feats

[rough basalt]

The 2024 player behavior based on exploits is literally based off of incidents from the 2014 era

[gaunt roost]

I do not know what that means. There are character classes. There are character class features. There are feats. There are feats that require a class feature to be picked. THere arent character class feats?`Or is that a terminology that I do not know?

[rough basalt]

Some guy was playing a Fiendlock and wanted a bag of rats he could kill for infinite temp hp
That's not intended nor is the DM in the wrong for not allowing that.
So all the section did was tell new DMs that they're allowed to say no to that.

[merry glen]

You can’t stack temporary hit points?

[rough basalt]

The intention is you use your free object interaction to kill a rat when you run out

[idle oar]

Temp HP does not stack

[gaunt roost]

yeah, I thought Temp HP dont stack, you only keep the highest?

a rat... isnt an item though

[merry glen]

Yeah I know, you just take the highest

[rough basalt]

Doesn't stop people who wanna do that trick

[gaunt roost]

if you are required to kill a creature, then you need to follow the normal rules of killing a creature, thats an action

[rough basalt]

The argument was "its a bag of rats and a bag is an object

[gaunt roost]

and if you are using your action to kill a rat, then you might as well just use the fiendish vigor invocation for automatic 12 temp HP

[merry glen]

What? I’m not talking about bags bags don’t have a stat block??

[pallid haven]

Nvm it's features and not feats

[rough basalt]

I'm stating the argument people who say you can bag of rats exploit use.

Not you specifically.

[merry glen]

Yeah but that’s got nothing to do with what we’re talking about? Might as well bring up the infinite simulacrum thing

[gaunt roost]

You do not kill a bag by interacting it with. Unless you are doing something very wrong, or are edward scissorhands. Anyways, either that bag is sturdy enough to take a punch or the rats will likely chew their ways out, they love chewing holes, but I get that we are talking about exploiters trying to exploit

[rough basalt]

Someone mentioned bag of rats before it turned to steed but the premise still applies

Only difference you're wasting resources which admittedly is a huge difference

[stark arch]

or a cage with bunnies

[merry glen]

I think the measure of a good dm is being fair and firm, it’s about interpreting the rules, like a good judge. There are way more broken and efficient ways to heal in 5e, besides a simple fireball invalidates the entire strategy, I say let the players be creative and have their fun, it’s a better experience and way more immersive

[rough basalt]

I say you can take a short rest, use healing potions or spells

Or use vampiric touch on that Bandit Crime Lord boss coming up. Just get your paladin to compelled duel him

[merry glen]

To use this strategy you would be using a spell

[stark arch]

wat if the players or DM doest allow short rest. what if healing potions are very rare and hard to get? while spellslots are free?

[rough basalt]

Then I'd leave that table

[hot gate]

Spell slots being free sounds like that DM wants the players to only play spellcasters.

[merry glen]

A life cleric with magic initiate for goodberry or just a life cleric at all is way more broken, if someone wants to play a vampiric rat catcher then power to the player at my table

[rough basalt]

If someone wants to do that at my table they can go find some Giant Rats in a basement to get 2 silver from some innkeeper

[gaunt roost]

the measure of dming is telling people boundaries, so that while running XP, only intended monsters give XP. Therefore boiling an anthill to get 20000 XP (1 per ant) will not work. On the same spectrum, you might allow a 2 HP poisoned wizard that is using vampiric touch to drain a holy tree of life to survive even though thats not how the spell is supposed to work, because it fits the narrative of the spell.

[merry glen]

There’s nuance to to this, allowing vampiric touch to work as written in 2014 is not the same as farming xp as an exterminator? Crazy false equivalence

[rough basalt]

They both sort of fall in the usual exploit cases

[gaunt roost]

No short rests but unlimited Spellslots? Full cleric party aquired, tiamat will know true fear, and the gods can only beg to be spared by their own creation

[rough basalt]

Cause even if horse torture isn't a free temp hp generator, it's still not intended and part of the rule revisal was making that clear

[merry glen]

I don’t think vampiric touch on rats is anywhere near as rare as boiling ant colonies for xp, especially considering how it would work in lore and also considering that most tables don’t even use xp to begin with

[stark arch]

short rest dont cost gold like HP potions not unlimited, you regain than after short and long rest

[loud tendon]

And you would be correct in deciding to do so.

Just like Sora would be correct not to.

We haven't been saying you definitely can't do that. Just that the original combination wouldn't work as intended as the phantom steed merely fades after taking any damage it is not "killed" per se.
What is think folks are trying to do is set an expectation that its not a guaranteed solve.

[merry glen]

I understand that, I’m explaining my position not saying others don’t exist, oh my god please read my messages

[gaunt roost]

this example was about a) interpreting rules as written. A "beast" is a monster. Even a CR 0 monster can yield XP for a low level party. A single ant is technically a CR 0 monster. Therefore, RAW you should be able to farm ants to level up. Obviously thats not how that works, because it doesnt make sense in the narrative. Example b) is about using vampiric touch or any life drain on a tree. RAW, thats not possible, because a plant without a statblock is techncially an object, not a creature, but again you overwrite the RAW because this fits the narrative

[rough basalt]

Speaking of goodberry cleric I'm glad they removed that bit in the revisal

[merry glen]

Individual ants are not monsters, pouring in some water would not kill a whole colony, most tables don’t even use the xp system. Using vampiric touch on a creature like a rat (I myself never said holy tree) makes sense in lore, and is a creative spell use by my players. Is is not power gaming, it is not vehemently against sense or logic, I would allow it, and I can make reasons why outside of just appealing to authority

I can allow things in my dm and you are free not to

[rough basalt]

It ain't just appealing to authority

[gaunt roost]

You didnt, I just made an example with the tree, this was not about you specifically (I did not link you?). It was a contribution to the general discussion, I am sorry if I made it seem like I was criticizing you personally

[merry glen]

You didn’t link me but it was a direct reply to my comment?

[idle oar]

I think they were trying to clarify based on your response.
But any ways I think we're mostly on the same page of understanding (if not agreement) so maybe it's time to move on to other topics

[gaunt roost]

not the first one you reacted to? Please do check the reply, I replied to your reply to my holy tree comment, but I agree that using vampiric touch against rats would be RAW and narrativly fine anyways, you can totally eat a swarm of rats with vampiric touch if you are hungry

[merry glen]

Yeah I agree it’s like there’s a language barrier here. You guys fw the poison spray change?

[gaunt roost]

I like the change. Con saves are somewhat better balanced in 24 (still not great to target but at least not everyone got prof now), and an attack roll gives the player more agency anyways!

[idle oar]

I've not had any issues with it

[rough basalt]

I didn't even realize it was changed

[gaunt roost]

Also increasing the range from 10 to 30 feet is great

[rough basalt]

Also less than half the '25 MM is immune to poison which is a win

[gaunt roost]

its still arguably on the weaker side with "only" 30 feet range and the most resisted damage type in the game I believe (did that change?) but hey, if you want to swing a poison greataxe, more power to you, and you dont have to be in melee to do it!

[rough basalt]

Still the most immune but it's only 200 or so enemies

[gaunt roost]

also it can crit now that its an attack roll, thats important for sorcerers incarnate sorcery critfishing

[rough basalt]

The other 300 can take poison damage and be poisoned

There is still the one major issue with poison in 2024 tho

[gaunt roost]

Though tbh sorcerers can also do poison among other damage with sorcerous burst which has 120 ft range and has the cool exploding dice mechanic, so idk if I would personally run it outside of themed characters. Could do a damage calc though

[rough basalt]

It's something only WotC can fix

[gaunt roost]

so we are truly lost

[rough basalt]

It's called the "DMs only use Undead" dilemma

WotC has to unleash the inevitables to deal with it but they're staying their hand

[gaunt roost]

what is it with some DMs only using undead? Its a theme that comes up way too often. All the undead have going for them is that they sound cool and scary on paper, only to realize that like 3+ classes are specifically geared up to counter them. Now, Fey on the other hand...

[rough basalt]

Cause Undead are very simple and have a lot of statblocks

[gaunt roost]

I guess same goes with constructs. "Uh that tomb is old and sealed, what to put here, how about undead and golems, yeah they will never see that coming"

[rough basalt]

Yeah you can throw Undead, constructs anywhere

[gaunt roost]

weirdly enough for all the dungeons, there are very few dragons living in them

[rough basalt]

Same can be said for Humanoids and Humanoid-adjacents which make up the other majority

Those are the times you can use poison but you're so used to it being useless because of the reign of terror by Undead dms

[limber trail]

Undeads are a simple, low stakes adventure premise which don't require tons of DM prepwork and have a lot of flexibility. Plus they evoke rich and time honoured tropes and imagery

Now, I don't like running undeads very often myself but those are the reasons I can see

[rough basalt]

Yeah, with other creature types there's more availability for roleplay to settle the encounters rather than combat

[hot gate]

They're also convenient in that they don't present a moral choice, in contrast to intelligent living creatures.

[rough basalt]

With low level Undead, at best, you might run into a Wight

[gaunt roost]

Oh yeah, technically speaking lore wise humanoids should be freaking everywhere. But most of the time, you got a perfectly fine dungeon with good infrastructure and only a modicum of death traps and still, no goblins or kobolds have moved in here? No bandit/brigand camp that uses these? Not even some weird gnomes that try to reverse engineer the robochickens these guys had? Because there is a sealed door with a lich behind it? Pfff, grow up, if that lich could get out, it would have 500 years ago

[rough basalt]

And they're probably in service to something evil and don't have "reason" in their vocabulary either

[rough basalt]

Then you get players that don't recognize most intelligent life as being intelligent so you can throw anything at them

Which is a double edged thing imo

[gaunt roost]

Ah yes, the good old "Wait goblins can talk?" players

[hot gate]

Not sure I'd want to play with those players

[rough basalt]

It's fun to use any monsters on a whim but they look at you with deer in the headlights looks when a Kobold has a house, job, hobbies and a family

[rough basalt]

I've run into players who think Goblins are like Goblins from a certain goblin anime and made my skin crawl

[gaunt roost]

I mean, you can get away with "war camps" and "raiding party" so the kobolds/goblins/gnolls/trolls are all decisivly male, single, evil and murderous if you do a bit of lore and put a battle banner here or there

[gaunt roost]

"First of all, no. Secondly, frigg no. Thirdly, if you ever bring up any of those goblins behaviour, you will be asked to leave."

[rough basalt]

I used to but then I realized I hated it and preferred encounters to be more than just combat

[gaunt roost]

seriously I get what said anime is going for, but it made no sense in universe (because they still treat goblins as low level adventurer intro monsters despite them being actual major threaths in the world all the time) and it was mostly played for shock value anyways

[gaunt roost]

I feel you. Having things like "Ok the harpies are circling us, they will strike at any moment!" "Actually, I speak harpy, can I roll a lore check or insight to get an idea of their intentions? Maybe they can be reasoned with to let us pass" can be way more fun than a random encounter.

Reminds me of the time I was very new to dming, and rolled a random encounter in an adventure that was supposed to suprise the players in the dead of night. Which was a singular cockatrice. Which are unaligned and in the setting territorital about their nests, but not aggressive towards or even afraid of humanoids, who they dont see as viable prey. So I described how this oversized lizardchicken waltzend up to their campfire, stole some of their stew, and then sat down to enjoy the warmth of the embers of their campfire. Players loved it

[rough basalt]

My encounters always vary

To some degree

Some encounters are just fight to survive, others can be protect others.

I had a party fight a group of War Goddess worshipping Orcs in a non-lethal match on the woods and they basically became a militia after until the warriors died and the priest leading them left to go to another city

Last "encounter" I had was ripping off the Mines of Moria from Fellowship.

The fighters poor horse failed its check needed to handle being on a bridge smaller than it.

[marble lion]

I prefer killing harpies

There are certain enemies where i really do not have any interest in negotiating, even if i will die in the case of combat (on most characters)

[fossil haven]

Hey sorry to Bother yall does anyone know the best place to find online games? I recently moved really far and my time zone is super funky lmao.

[idle oar]

You can use our Looking For Game channels - see #find-a-game to learn how to use them.

[loud tendon]

not a bother.. there isn't so much a best place, but we have some looking-for channels here. You can find instructions here: #find-a-game
other places could be reddit

[fossil haven]

got it thanks 🙂

[gleaming lodge]

So, based on the 5.5e changes, what do you all think might change once 6e finally rolls around?

[eager marsh]

everything

[glacial pulsar]

thats kind of too early to tell

[eager marsh]

that's how a full edition change works.

[gleaming lodge]

Part of my brain thought 5.5e meant that we were halfway there.

[eager marsh]

3.0 went into 3.5 almost immediately and 3.5 ended up being the whole edition in practical terms

[gleaming lodge]

I see.

[eager marsh]

took well over 10 years or so for 4th to happen iirc

[unreal drum]

Been coming up with bit of a crazy idea for a character. I got most of the main parts put together but Ironically it happened cus I was trying to do something entierly different.

[glacial pulsar]

Nah we're going to have this for a while I believe. Wotc risks losing more customers than it already has if they switch now
Probably a decade of 5.5e at least

[eager marsh]

well yea they only just started 5.5

[gleaming lodge]

Alrighty, then. Still, I like a lot of what 5.5e does, even if I don't like a lot else.

[eager marsh]

5.5 is mostly regarded as better than base 5e rules in about 75-95% of situations depending who you ask

[gleaming lodge]

Honestly, as someone who's a sucker for great creature designs, arguably my favourite new thing is the design updates all the dragons got.

[unreal drum]

Effectively I put together a character with 2 HP bars. 1 for a clay body it controls and then a second HP that is for the soul inside once the clay body shatters.

[clever swift]

drops from the sky hello

[glossy narwhal]

What's y'alls favorite way to deal with enemies in campaigns? Mine is simply setting them on fire 🤣

[gleaming lodge]

Remind me - what're the main mechanical changes?

[unreal drum]

Brake there minds to have them get sent to the coal minds to die of black lung

cus then I profit from them

[eager marsh]

Theres an entire book showcasing trhe rules so you asrtent getting a complete changelog on discord

[gleaming lodge]

OK.

[unreal drum]

No DMs can say they drop nothing when I have them work till they drop only for me to replace them with the next goblin I see looking at me.

[glossy narwhal]

I mean in terms of combat. I just set things on fire because my character is kinda insane

[marble lion]

A dm can say they drop nothing

[unreal drum]

Accuse children of being vampires and pelting them with silver untill they die.

Nobody will dare stop your richious crusade against darkness.

Untill he starts making real vampires to try and kill you

cus you ran out of silver

[glossy narwhal]

A Deadpool comic quote that perfectly sums up my character is "I'm bored. Let's light something on fire."

[gusty lark]

Its so foggy where I'm at, I feel like if i head outside ill end up in Borovia

[reef tundra]

Strahd would not be happy with you

[glossy narwhal]

DnD Grendel is weird looking. Of course i set him on fire like pretty much everything else

[tame breach]

Lmaoo

[coarse ravine]

My friends daughter just informed us that they have a dnd elective at her school

To get a credit to play dnd lol

[humble cairn]

That's pretty awesome, I wish I had that in school.

[burnt valley]

Don't worry, just wait for adventurers to arrive and give them a quest to save you

Make sure to reward them your credit card tho (maximum persuasion)

[prisma mason]

how does one get permission to put out a looking for players i do not have access for some reason

[worthy prism]

the DM role

[prisma mason]

oh i cant have both? weird

nope still no access

[worthy prism]

IF that is the case then it might be due to you being new to the server. i am unsure as i am not super active here

[prisma mason]

hmm i guess it doesnt say anything about it

[worthy prism]

Sorry i cannot be more help. I dont recruite often for my games, otherwise i might hae a proper anwser

[prisma mason]

its all good maybe ill ask mods if theirs something i gotta do

[worthy prism]

perhaps, i came here to ask why they added K-ID

[potent prawn]

How does Heroic Inspiration work?

[uncut zenith]

If you have it, you can use it to reroll a D20 Test (meaning an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw)

[potent prawn]

Isn't it broken.

[uncut zenith]

No

[meager matrix]

u can always roll lower

[worthy prism]

No it is meant to be rewarded as a special gift for good RP/Charchter momments

[uncut zenith]

Heroic Inspiration is a relatively rare resource that either the DM provides as a reward or certain classes provide you under specific circumstances

[knotty basin]

Humans also get it in 2024

[uncut zenith]

Right

Either way, it’s not a broken feature

[potent prawn]

Is it a thing of the champion fighter subclass

[lean wigeon]

for a metacurrency, i personally find inspiration to be underwhelming, especially since you can only hold on to like one inspiration at a time

[meager matrix]

i love it when my dm spawn 8 goblins and 2 goblin bosses on me and my 3 person party 😛 (level 1 btw)

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, I believe the new Champion is built around them being able to get HI a little easier than others

[vale kettle]

Theres the ugly goblins skill tree

[potent prawn]

It says that you gain it automatically every turn. I dont know if im wrong

[uncut zenith]

But still not broken. Especially when you consider, as mentioned, that if you use it you have to use the new roll

[green escarp]

Do people find games here? Trying to find Discord/DnD beyond based games.

[uncut zenith]

So if you rolled lower than or the same as the first time, you’re SOL

[meager matrix]

theres a find a game chat at the bottom of server chat list

[umbral girder]

#find-a-game is where you go for that!

[green escarp]

Awesome ty

[meager matrix]

no problemo

anyone know what those middle sized abberation things with the one eye is called the one that got like half its hp removed

[knotty basin]

Nothic?

[scenic zinc]

Did you just reply to something I said nearly a month ago? Why?

[meager matrix]

Yea that one, Thanks

[echo agate]

what does the DMG 2024 book provide btw? other than guiding a new DM, any content i mean

[crimson gulch]

Lore glossary, example campaign setting, magic items, exp budget chart

[humble cairn]

The Bastions system, for one. That's home bases for player characters.

[echo agate]

updated variants or same as 2014?

[scenic zinc]

Most of the '24 magic items, as far as "content" goes, as well as bastions.

[crimson gulch]

Many new things

[vale kettle]

Was just scrolling and saw that

[echo agate]

bastions, More fancy magic items, and i didnt entirely get the lore glossary thingamajig and what it is

[reef tundra]

I’ve been tempted to add a little homebrew extra to the heroic inspiration system. Although I’ll have to change it a little so humans and champion fighters don’t abuse the hell out of it

[uncut zenith]

There’s actually a lot of advice on designing adventures/campaigns too

[reef tundra]

And I far prefer the encounter builder of 2024, it really helps loads when making encounters

[buoyant oar]

The lore glossary is a short dictionary about common DnD lore stuff.

Who are the Fallbacks
Who is Vecna

Stuff like that.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, the Lore Glossary is pretty solid

[meager matrix]

what book is that one again?

[buoyant oar]

DMG 2024

[meager matrix]

thanks

[uncut zenith]

The 24 PHB has the Rules Glossary for easy access mechanics, the 24 DMG has the Lore Glossary for easy access lore (particularly around NPCs, many of whom are “multiversal” figures).

[echo agate]

okay, so Common DND lore stuff, encounter builder, bastions, tons of magic items
anything else to note? probably gonna paste this to the DM so he has a short summary of what else is found in the new book

[buoyant oar]

It has Greyhawk as a short example campaign setting.

[uncut zenith]

Guidance on designing adventures and campaigns, an example campaign primer, additional rules for using things like Divine Gifts, Curses, and Fear

[scenic zinc]

'24 is a different system than '14. People can call it "updated" if they'd like, but that doesn't change the fact that it is different. Not fundamentally so, but it isn't the same regardless. Many things, mostly subtle, changed - making the changes to the magic items that were made subtly important as well.

For example, werewolves & silvered weapons - which used to be a nonmagical weapon and the weakness was inherent to the creature. Now it is a magical weapon, and keys off of the fact that a werewolf is a shapechanger.

[echo agate]

campaign primer?

[uncut zenith]

There’s quite a lot in there. Much of which was already in the old DMG, but it’s organized way better now.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, it’s like a short campaign setting guide. They use the setting of Greyhawk to show how you can sort of design a setting without needing to write a 100+ place campaign doc.

It essentially teaches you how to focus on important locations, some basic history, general setting info like the calendar, gods, and the important themes that may lead to a campaign in the setting.

[scenic zinc]

No one should ever make a setting document that long to start with, unless the goal is to sell that product.

[echo agate]

i see, thank you for your help explaining,
we're essentially a bunch of people who are newcomers to DND, with a decently experienced DM all moving from 2014 to 2024 whilst only having played a couple of campaigns through 2014, so am looking to just understand whats updated and such

[buoyant oar]

I disagree

World building is a hobby of its own.

[uncut zenith]

Right. Their Greyhawk primer in the new DMG was just enforcing that you don’t need to make a WOTC-sized campaign setting guide to feel ready to run your homebrew setting.

[echo agate]

pretty sure our friend did for his world building, 40 doc campaign for a One piece DND type thing

[knotty pasture]

Its more like, you are free to write 200 pages on your world, but be prepared to trim out only the important parts for the homebrew world

Write 200 for self indulgence and as a hobby, use 20 to make everyone's life easier

[scenic zinc]

I said to start with.

A setting document for your home game is a living document. It grows over time. Perhaps it'll reach that length eventually, but there's absolutely no reason for it to start at that length.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, your campaign guide doesn’t need to be extensive to be ready to play in your setting

It can be, but doesn’t need to be

[empty jackal]

Where are you from guys? Im DM DnD One piece. Right now there are 3 of us, 2 of whom are playing. Would anyone like to play?Play in Saturday and Sunday. And by the way I am from the Czech Republic.

[buoyant oar]

That's fair to start with is good.

[scenic zinc]

#looking-for-players

[uncut zenith]

And the Greyhawk primer was good at showing how you don’t need that much on paper to have a full setting guide to play in

[buoyant oar]

The vibes from the Greyhawk gazzetter reminded me a lot of the old 1e FR grey box

[empty jackal]

Thx 😉😁

[crimson gulch]

Yeah they said they based it on that quite heavily

[buoyant oar]

Forgotten Realms proves it's superiority once again /s

[crimson gulch]

I mean it's the most popular one for a lot od reasons

[uncut zenith]

Yep, in both how it was designed and what setting they decided to use, it’s an homage to the 50th anniversary of D&D

[crimson gulch]

I'm running 2 exandria campaigns and 7 forgotten realms right now

[buoyant oar]

I feel bad for Eberron. Could make for some great video games. Even had one for a long time the Old MMO was set in Xendrik in Eberron. But over the last 4 years most module expansions have transitioned to the Realms.

[scenic zinc]

I understand you're joking, but I'm still of the opinion that this is an actual opinion many hold because of how much FR content exists rather than it simply being 'better'.

[buoyant oar]

I also think FR is just better. 🤷‍♂️

[uncut zenith]

Yeah I think it’s a quantity thing more than a quality thing, but that’s just a personal opinion. And no way is it meant to invalidate the feelings of people who genuinely love FR

[shy stirrup]

I forgot about the Forgotten Realms

working as intended? 🤔

[buoyant oar]

So did WotC that is why there is a region in the Forgotten Realms called the Forgotten Lands now.

That is Forgotten^2

[scenic zinc]

And I think that's primarily because of the reason I said. If other settings had as much content for them, that opinion would not be as common.

I'm not saying the opinion is definitively wrong - some opinions can be. This opinion isn't one of those.

[buoyant oar]

Impiltur? Never heard of her.

[scenic zinc]

It's one of the reasons I think exandria is as popular as it is as well.

-# though some people like to weirdly pretend like the content from CR 1, 2, and 3 aren't definitively canon content they can draw from should they choose and that they can weirdly only use the wildemount book

[buoyant oar]

Yeah I get that FR is just a juggernaut of content. And it def had a quality assurance issue for some time. But it works as it was intended to work. As a setting of a thousand stories. To be the opposite of Dragonlance. Which was the setting of A fantasy Epic story.

We could use other video games in other setting though. WotC plz..

If you have to put Warlock the realms. Make the ocean in a different cardinal direction please.

[uncut zenith]

I think that comes from people associating the Wildemount book as an “official” Exandria campaign setting guide because WOTC published it, whereas the others are third party and thus “can’t be used” for some reason

[unborn geyser]

I wanna try looking for a group again but every time I do when I join them something goes wrong

[crimson gulch]

People are alowed to interpret the setting as they like, I know in my wildmount games there is no mighty nein

If off screen heros did all that then there wouldent be as much juice for the players to squeeze

[buoyant oar]

Even better use Tal'Dorei and Wildemount.

But the Tal'Dorei lore comes from the Original Guide by Green Ronin

[scenic zinc]

M9 is and continues to primarily be a small and mostly unknown group that works behind the scenes despite their major world-saving accomplishments.

[uncut zenith]

When I ran my Wildemount campaign, it wasn’t that they didn’t exist so much as most of their adventuring never really got to see the public light. So they existed, but they weren’t famous enough celebrity adventurers for my PCs to know about them.

[buoyant oar]

The existence of high-level adventurers and NPCs has never been the problem in my games over the last 25 years that people make that out to be.

Worlds are huge places. Just take a look at our world, even with magic, there are far too many problems for one group to do alone or even 100.

[scenic zinc]

If this were true there'd never be any PCs in FR

[gloomy sedge]

im playing the strixhaven setting with two of my teachers and 3 friends (with one teacher as the DM), we played sessions of 40 minutes (lesson periods) and never got to finish it before we graduated from there
we started early 2024 or late 2023 with weekly sessions, and we played a 4 hour session in the summer vacation
we need 1 last session of maybe 2-4 hours to finish it and we have tons of planning issues, we are talking about a session in the winter vacation but its going... not well

can i expect another session or should i give up trying?

[potent prawn]

Eldritch Invocations can be chosen based on the player's level or the warlock's level?

[scenic zinc]

That said, my statement did specifically say "choose". I never said you had to use the other available exandria content.

[scenic zinc]

Warlock level

[potent prawn]

Unfortunate.

[crimson gulch]

My wildmount campaign was basicly a re interpretation of what could have happened in the erah of the mighty nein, it was an epic game that closed out at level 20 and focused on the beasts of the betrayers ukatoa deseriat and quagjoth

[scenic zinc]

In that kind of campaign it makes sense to not have m9 then, I agree.

[median spear]

hey you know classes like ranger and paladin? Are they intended to be like sort of a mix between martial and caster or are they like. just casters?

[humble cairn]

They are a mix.

[median spear]

does bard count as a mix or nah :3

[scenic zinc]

They're mechanically half casters.

[scenic zinc]

They are full casters

[humble cairn]

Nah, full caster.

[median spear]

is ranger that bad 😭

[uncut zenith]

No

[scenic zinc]

No

[humble cairn]

Ranger is not bad at all.

I'm playing a Beast Master and having a ton of fun.

[scenic zinc]

dnd is a team game, despite the amount of people who try to do it all.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah every class is designed to have their particular strengths, but none of them are inherently designed to do it all

Even the most versatile classes, like Wizard and Cleric, are locked into what they’ve prepared to be able to do for the day

[scenic zinc]

-# except wizards can cast ritual spells they've not prepared but clerics can't grumble, grumble

[atomic kayak]

Well that and, legally/officially speaking wotc doesnt actually own everything (or anything*) from exandria. So while the CR campaigns are implied/explicitly canon (depending on specifics, especially for C2) in the two official books its understandably a lil wishy washy.

*this is part of the legal text in the books that specifies wotc doesnt own the setting

[scenic zinc]

Wishywashy? There's literal statblocks for their campaign 1 characters

[uncut zenith]

Not in Wildemount

Those statblocks are in the TCSR, which was fully published by CR/Darrington Press. It’s only available on DDB via third party partnership.

But Wildemount was published by WOTC in collaboration with CR

[atomic kayak]

More specific for the C2 stuff, especially as the book is set before large chunks of the campaign

[scenic zinc]

I'm aware of that. That doesn't make those not official for that setting. It makes it unofficial as far as it comes to WotC.

Exandria isn't owned by WotC

[atomic kayak]

in terms of being an official thing for the setting? Thats exactly what it does - make it not official.

Its pretty much the same concept as canon vs kanon when it comes to Eberron - except that in this case wotc doesn't own the setting overall

[echo agate]

does the DMG 2024 or Players handbook update species as well? or primarily subclasses and small class thingies

[atomic kayak]

the 2024 PHB includes updates to species yes

[scenic zinc]

It makes it unofficial for WotC. It doesn't make it unofficial for the setting, as WotC doesn't own the setting.

[scenic zinc]

'24 player characters are fundamentally different than '14, in many regards. Species, class, subclass, etc.

[atomic kayak]

The context definitely seemed to be about "dnd official", which would be "wotc official"

[echo agate]

we might be attempting a conversion over, and im just trying to figure out the differences

[scenic zinc]

The context is explicitly the opposite.

[potent prawn]

With "known spells" does it mean i can choose (as a warlock) a total of spells between lvl 1 or 2? I cant understand

[fossil hollow]

if you have the appropriate pact slots to cast them with

[scenic zinc]

Choose, or cast? And what level is the warlock?

[atomic kayak]

didn't seem to be the opposite, whole context seemed to be about official support for the settings

[potent prawn]

Take as example a level 3

[scenic zinc]

I'm telling you, as the individual who started the conversation about exandria, that it is explicitly the opposite.

[atomic kayak]

That is not evident from what was said, by you and definitely not by what everyone else said ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic zinc]

I don't know why you're fighting me on this swamp. I'm clarifying it, as the person who included exandria as part of the conversation.

[atomic kayak]

even if its not what you were saying, its what other people said. So if you don't want to think I'm addressing what you said, then you can just read it as me addressing what everyone else said