how can I focus during polyrhythms

[shrewd loom]

I’ve been trying to play a bit out of my league. For context I’m self taught and the only song I know how to play fully is the first part of the moonlight sonata, but every time I start a song where I have to play two different melodies my brain stops working and I feel like it’s making my practice incredibly slow.

[quasi wind]

Hands separately

Once u lock in both hands, combine

It’s trial and error

Ur gonna make a lot of mistakes

And then the more you play the more comfortable it gets

When it’s fluent, u should be able to play both patterns independently

[shrewd loom]

okay

[quasi wind]

Don’t depend one hand on the other that’s how most people when they first learn polyrhythms screw up

Like they think in terms of keeping both rhythmically proportional

[shrewd loom]

wdym by that?

[quasi wind]

U have to split your brain

Into treating both hands independently

Instead of treating as right hand depends on left hand and the other way around

It takes a while to get used to

[shrewd loom]

Okay thanks because I’ve been struggling so bad with it like I’ve been attempting fantasie impromptu and like everytime it feels like I hit a huge wall

i wanted to start over and try something easier but then the easier things get boring fast

[weary galleon]

I made this mistake whilst learning some pieces and it went as far as being unable to play without the RH 💔

that's a huge problem to run into, once your RH slips up, the LH forgets what to do n the piece just stops

[quasi wind]

Yh

That’s why u need practice hands separately first

[weary galleon]

yep, bach helps with that a lot

[shrewd loom]

YES

that keeps happening

[shrewd loom]

DAMMIT I CANT ESCAPE

[weary galleon]

nope, no escaping bach

[shrewd loom]

I’ve been trying to shortcut and just get straight to playing songs out of my league hoping it’ll come to me

[quasi wind]

💀

That’s most beginners mistake

[weary galleon]

I thinkkk that's possible, because that's roughly what I'm doing too, but it really shows in your playing that you've taken that "shortcut"

[shrewd loom]

sigh

[weary galleon]

learnt a mediocre chopin piece when I should really be practicing my czerny and bach

[shrewd loom]

alright then I guess there’s no avoiding Bach

[weary galleon]

indeeddd

what's your level like?

[rocky spoke]

Take a step back take your time to learn

You wont regret it

Instead of banging your head on one measure learn an easier piece and it gives you that much more xp

[shrewd loom]

beginner

I only know one song

but I learned it decently fast but I fear that gave me overconfidence

[weary galleon]

with sheet music rightt

[shrewd loom]

….

[weary galleon]

💔

[rocky spoke]

😭

[shrewd loom]

Sheet music..

Yeah about that

[weary galleon]

yea so learn to read, play some bach, play some easy pieces you like listening to, and THEN think about how to handle polyrhythms

[shrewd loom]

I might’ve been only like playing by ear💔

[rocky spoke]

Synthsia or what ever its called is ruining begginers i swear 😭

[shrewd loom]

😭

[quasi wind]

😭😭

Bro we gotta like

Fix u

[shrewd loom]

LOL

[quasi wind]

Ur a broken machine

🙁

[shrewd loom]

I didn’t know it was this bad💔

[quasi wind]

Ur falling for the majority beginner trap

[shrewd loom]

in my defense it’s easy to

[rocky spoke]

Its not just start now frfr take a deep breath and learn properly start simple

[quasi wind]

Yeah bro

U can still fix it

Ur not that far deep

Like fuckin

Enrico piano

[weary galleon]

yep there's genuinely people around who call themselves a pianist of 8 years but havent touched a single page of sheet music

[quasi wind]

Stephen Ridley

[shrewd loom]

There was a period where I genuinely tried to learn how to read sheet music

but it felt too complicated I would say

[rocky spoke]

Thats why it's awesome easy bs is easy for a reason

[weary galleon]

I'm serious, once you've been doing it for a few months, it'll start feeling very natural

[quasi wind]

Yh like

I genuinely find it harder to learn from synthesia

Than sheet music

🤣🤣

[shrewd loom]

alright then where do I start I feel like a toad in a well

[rocky spoke]

Dude same

Sheet locks it in

Dual encoding

[quasi wind]

But also

[rocky spoke]

Ftfw

[shrewd loom]

wtf is that

[quasi wind]

I find le preux easier than Beethoven’s tempest sonata

[rocky spoke]

Using sheet and spatial awareness instead of just memory

[shrewd loom]

so it’s not all muscle memory😭

[weary galleon]

maybe start at figuring out what the type of notes are, what notes correspond to what keys on the piano (+ treble / bass), then about key signatures and time signatures

[weary galleon]

the rest you'll learn by practice, I started with this though

[rocky spoke]

You have to know what your doing and the fundamentals for muscle memory to work fully

[weary galleon]

rests, expression, crescendos, staccatos, legatos, ties, etc, you'll figure out when they come up on some sheet music

[shrewd loom]

aww man this is gonna take longer than I thought

[weary galleon]

https://www.musictheory.net goated website btw

[weary galleon]

2 days of 2 hour studying at most (for the basics) 😭

[shrewd loom]

hopefully the music classes I took last year will save me✌️

hope it just clicks

[rocky spoke]

Dude you just think you would grab a piano and be amazing if that were true there would be billions of BA pianists the hard makes the reward all the more glorious

Just stay consistent

Good luck

You will do fine

[shrewd loom]

Alright

[shrewd loom]

Thanks for this btw

Lowkey getting the hang of it✌️

[weary galleon]

take it slow

[shrewd loom]

alright

[dark mason]

you are literally learning a new language

[shrewd loom]

RIGHT

[dark mason]

not gonna be fluent in sheet music in a few weeks

[shrewd loom]

sigh I know

It’s the summer though why not spend time studying

although I would much prefer to learn songs I like and go no further

I feel like there’s no reason to limit myself

[dark mason]

well do that

(unfortunately there’s no avoiding Bach…)

[shrewd loom]

DONT REMIND ME😭

it already hurts enough to take however many steps back I just took

I went from a being a toddler to a new born

in just a few words and advice

[dark mason]

at least you’ve been playing piano for six months or less probably

[shrewd loom]

well technically I’ve been on and off for 9 years