Can I be able to play level 10 pieces like etude op 10 n1 if I take lessons with a concert pianist?

[dawn harbor]

i think it could be done with hard work

[unreal brook]

Yeah Im up for that fs

[patent schooner]

what is the most difficult piece you can play right now

[unreal brook]

Why are you asking? Currently Im not learning any piece until jan

[patent schooner]

the waterfall etude is very difficult and you’ll injure yourself if you dont play with a very relaxed wrist

[unreal brook]

Yeah I know thats why I dropped it, its not hard but needs patience thats what I noticed

Did you play it before

[patent schooner]

yes

[patent schooner]

its not super hard if you have a large hand where you can just stretch the 10th

the last page and 4th page the hardest ones imo

[unreal brook]

Do you stretch or do it the technical way?

Chopins hands were average size tho

[patent schooner]

i just stretch because my hands can allow it

thats why i find it not so hard

[unreal brook]

How many notes can you reach at 180 degrees

[patent schooner]

11 if i push myself but practical is 10

[unreal brook]

Same but Im getting closer to 12th if my pinky is at the very edge of the C

Even 10th doesnt feel comfy tho

Like its not curved

Slight curve

Which isnt very comfy for the piece

[patent schooner]

can you play a 1-3 octave easily

[unreal brook]

Wdym 1-3?

[patent schooner]

using thumb and third finger play an octave

you need to play around that for some of the stretches

[unreal brook]

Yeah easily, I could do thumb and index to do an octave aswell

[patent schooner]

only issues would be agility and wrist flexibility

[unreal brook]

Yeah thats what Im missing, only way is to have a good classical teacher imo

[patent schooner]

interpretation is also not so easy to make it sound interesting

[unreal brook]

i just checked I could do 1-2 and reach a 9th and if i stretch the hardest I could slightly get a 10th

[unreal brook]

U just listen to it alot from diff pianists, like jin cho etc

And understand dynamics but it can be diffcult then when its time to play it according to said dynamics

[patent schooner]

the thing is agility, i have seen children with tiny hands play this etude and people with large hands not be able to

[unreal brook]

I only stared in July so Im no expert tho

[patent schooner]

horowitz refused to perform it even

[patent schooner]

play a lot more other repertoire first

[unreal brook]

My hands arent that big, I could do 11th at the biggest stretch, it may have went a bit further since I can reach slightly 11 and half now then what I used to

[unreal brook]

I got exams anyway coming up this month so I cant really learn new stuff, justpractising scales going up and down

[patent schooner]

hand size doesn’t matter, hand and wrist flexibility and agility matter

a larger hand just makes it a bit easier

[patent schooner]

practice arpeggios too

remember to practice with variation and phrasing

[unreal brook]

I suck at these, I could do 1-2 octaves arpeggios in left hand but havent really started until mid nov, the etude gave me an insight on how important arpeggios are thats why

[patent schooner]

waterfall etude is all arpeggios

[unreal brook]

Btw do you mind me asking you how long have u been playing the piano

[unreal brook]

Yeah ik

[patent schooner]

9 years

[unreal brook]

What is the hardest piece you could play

Also what level are u in ARBSM if u do that ( i dont)

[patent schooner]

i am studying g minor ballade, c# minor scherzo, waterfall etude, black keys etude rn

[patent schooner]

i dont do abrbsm

[unreal brook]

I cant remember but is that scherzo that has some weird fingerings throughout the second half of it (isnt it the sonata n3 mvt 2?)

[unreal brook]

So u have a teacher right?

[patent schooner]

3rd scherzo

[patent schooner]

yes

you need a teacher

doesn’t have to be a concert pianist just has to be proficient and passionate about piano

[unreal brook]

Ohh ok, I started late though so its only about talent atp

[patent schooner]

you can practice more

targeted practice

[unreal brook]

Yeah ik, but the teacher I wil have is very good so it will help me get a good build on foundations rather than doing something off/wrong as alot of selft taught pianists

Also its cool u can play ballade no1, how far are u in it?

The coda is hard aswell due to the unsual hand fingering ( a little bit) with the fast tempo

I saw alot of people learnt it but somehow they find the octaves at the end to be the most diffcult part

[patent schooner]

i learnt in 3 months

[patent schooner]

the octaves are the easiest part imo

[patent schooner]

the first bit without the thumb turning is easy-ish

the scales just drilling the scales

the second scale run is a bit confusing though because of the minor 3rd interval between

[unreal brook]

U sure? it depends on ur technique in octaves (there are many diff ways) even the way of playing them like a basketball can make u feel tired

[patent schooner]

arm weight

and its not like octave scales like in the scherzo

its just chromatic octaves

[unreal brook]

Its broken octaves at most of the left hand which feels hard tho

[patent schooner]

what does this mean

theres appoggiatura on the first 6

[unreal brook]

Octaves is definitely one thing I need a good foundation on, I saw alot of videos with diff ways but I cant seem to get it right without feeling fatigue

[patent schooner]

arm weight

need a relaxed arm and wrist

and hand

everything is relaxed

[unreal brook]

No the octaves in ballade no 1
Chromatic octaves

[patent schooner]

use your body weight

[patent schooner]

in the coda?

there are appoggiaturas on the first 6 chromatic octaves of that run in the end of the coda

[unreal brook]

After. at the end at bar 246 i think

[patent schooner]

are you referring to this section?

wait no 246 is the scales

yeah its just scales

between 246 and this section is just scales

[unreal brook]

Yeah this part

Its not normal octaves at some parts, its ornament octaves/broken octaves that needs rotation

[patent schooner]

the first 6 have an acciaccatura on then and thats it

its just one note of them too

[unreal brook]

In left hand when u are going back descending its ornament octaves i think

Until u get to the G

[patent schooner]

nope its normal octaves

[unreal brook]

Hmm very weird I may be wrong

but the right hand does ornament octaves till B flat

then goes descending all the way to the G with normal octaves

Anyway thats not a piece I would learn now. I would give a couple years to think o playing it, Im not looking forward to playing it terribly, only going to play it like Rubinstein so its a journey but worth it

Btw do u have a recording of ur play? Doesnt need to be the full piece u alr said u are still improvising the piece and studying it

[patent schooner]

no recordings yet

i like to record when i have it performance standard

the opening is actually quite difficult musically

[unreal brook]

U I know, theres cresendo a little bit aswell to make it sound good with some tempo changes

Wait so u dont have any hard piece that u learnt before studying these pieces that u can play?

s*

[patent schooner]

i learnt 3 nocturnes, an etude, a beethoven sonata, bach partita 2 sinfonia and cappricio and a prokofiev piece you probably haven’t heard of

[unreal brook]

What notcurnes? Op 48 no 2?

[patent schooner]

you have to make it sound interesting especially since its basically the same thing for almost a page

[patent schooner]

op27 no1, op9 no2 and op9 no1

i also liked to dabble a bit in random assortments of pieces

[unreal brook]

i know these ones, but imo op 48 is my fav, also what beethoven sonata?

[patent schooner]

op10 no1

[unreal brook]

Thats impressive considering u never played any etude before that as hard as that one

U got a rec of it? Or just audio

[patent schooner]

i can record one tomorrow but it’s almost midnight

[patent schooner]

sonata

[unreal brook]

Sure

Scriabin etude in D is good imo, it feels solemn and prob best etude of scriabin

Anyway It will take 2-3 tears to get to these type of pieces so I wont try to learn them to avoid mistakes technically and clear clarity wont be acheived that way

[patent schooner]

i think it may take longer depending on how long you practice

[unreal brook]

3-4 hours daily could make that work

Anyway cya later (prob after a long time)

[patent schooner]

jit im famous now

real frederick chopin posted me

sorry you’re the only piano person i know recently

[unreal brook]

Lol thats cool, I cant hear it tho haha but its prob very good to get posted by fredrick himself

[patent schooner]

it was actually waterfall etude but i wasn’t really satisfied with it

you can hear it if you want but its not great

[unreal brook]

Yeah sure no issue

[patent schooner]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR8tneSkbsC/?igsh=MXd2ZHhqcGhsZGg0dg==

Instagram

[unreal brook]

i could hear the flaws but everyone messes up when its time tor record lol so i know u can do it very well and I like it especially that u didnt use the pedal at one of the last arpeggios (where some people use it)

[patent schooner]

pedal too muddy sometimes

[unreal brook]

But your interpretation is on point tho I like it

[patent schooner]

this is just from playing around and not doing it very serious though

i just played it as a default piece

[unreal brook]

Yeah I get what you mean, but its very good, if you did play it in public and improvised alot before playing it, I know it would be nearly the same level as concert pianists

And your hands looked relaxed aswell so thats very good

[patent schooner]

i would die if i played it with tense hands

[unreal brook]

Yeah thats why I dropped it, cuz I knew thats not the way to play it

[patent schooner]

honestly imo the first thing you need to do when you learn is to have relaxed body

[unreal brook]

Although I did know the technique for most of the parts as to move ur wrist up when approaching the pinky to use hand weight to help the pinky, I had some tensed hands thats why I dropped it, its just not my level but I will get there

[unreal brook]

Im trying to get into that, I just have to lock in and focus on whats coming so yeah and its been a rough year honestly but Im still going on

[patent schooner]

the entire upper body has to be fully relaxed the entire time or your hands and lower arm are going to start to hurt about half way through

[unreal brook]

Yep I'm adjusting that and been trying different ways

Thank you for your time and advice really appreciate it

I gotta lock in now lol

[patent schooner]

oh and sitting position makes a really big difference

chair height, distance from piano, how your posture is

[crude prism]

REMEMBER TO DO CORTOT EXERCISES

u can find the cortot edition on imslp use it for the exercises they are very good and give u stuff to work on

[normal oracle]

Being a concert pianist alone doesn’t make him or her a good teacher automatically. Not everyone who can play can teach. Most concert pianists make good second ears or colleagues in my experience. Credentials also doesn’t mean one can teach, it just means they can learn for themselves.

You can get to that level with a good teacher with plenty of dedication. The key is having a teacher who instills correct technique and develops musicality because that’s the only way u can get to that level where playing that kind of music becomes intellectually and physically accessible (reading it, having technique to play/understand, and understand musically).