I have reached the intermediate level, and like kinda stucked on it for 6 months, how to improve to the advanced level, and how to achieve learning by ear skill?
For more information, I have played piano for 3.5 years, I got a 61 keyboard, and the hardest piece so far is Moonlight sonata 3rd movement.
I would like to receive an advices from top piano players from this server!
#How to improve to the advanced level?
vagrant cairn
uncut fern
practice lol
if u can play moonlight 3 at a certain level then youre advanced already
but it depends how well u play it ofc
for learning with ear there might be exercises for that on youtube
but it comes from experience
to get better technically, maybe practice some exercises (czerny,hanon) and every now and then select some passages from your favourite works to practice
make sure the passages arent too easy though because that kinda defeats the purpose
proud oyster
what do you mean by advanced level
you have to be clear in its definition
if it's just "i can play this hard piece so now i'm advanced" then it's probably not true
first at least get a normal size keyboard
also, the "learning by ear skill" is not important as being able to quickly process sheet music
uncut fern
yeah fair
uncut fern
if it's just "i can play this hard piece so now i'm advanced" then it's probably...
maybe like a level that could improvise decently
or not struggle with works around henle 7
vagrant cairn
maybe like a level that could improvise decently
Yea, that's what I mean, and can learn any piece instantly
and I still don't know how to read sheet musics yet
vagrant cairn
but it depends how well u play it ofc
I can, but like transferred alot of parts to some different things, not perfectly, because of the size of the keyboard
and I am not able to get a normal sized keyboard
so if there is any hard pieces that can upgrade my level in not a normal sized piano, tell me.
proud oyster
or not struggle with works around henle 7
this doesn't apply for everyone, but for a lot of people:
breaking the barrier to becoming a self-improving pianist requires a rework of technique and mechanics from the very foundation
especially for those self-taught
vagrant cairn
especially for those self-taught
I am one of them, and ye you are right
I like jumped from henle 4 to 6 - 7
proud oyster
I like jumped from henle 4 to 6 - 7
technically, you could jump to 9 right now
just depends on how well you're playing the piece
vagrant cairn
Spending 2 hours daily for 1 month to learn a henle 9 piece is alright?
like I don't get scared from numbers, but is it average to spend that much time?
uncut fern
Spending 2 hours daily for 1 month to learn a henle 9 piece is alright?
depends on which one it is
uncut fern
and I still don't know how to read sheet musics yet
then u need to learn
proud oyster
depends on which one it is
i doubt it's enough
uncut fern
if he cant read sheets i doubt he can do a henle 9
proud oyster
henle 9 pieces usually have some kind of barrier that takes a long time to cultivate properly
uncut fern
unless he pulls a jaren
uncut fern
henle 9 pieces usually have some kind of barrier that takes a long time to culti...
yep
proud oyster
some take multiple years
for the average pianist
to perfect
some take lifetimes
uncut fern
he'll probably be stuck at 7 till his technique is better
lowk why isnt prok toccata henle 9
outrageous
la valse
proud oyster
lowk why isnt prok toccata henle 9
have you played it?
how tf is beethoven les adieux not 9
uncut fern
check etude 10 /2
EXACTLY
uncut fern
have you played it?
nah
proud oyster
its fun
uncut fern
but ive listened and read through it enough
proud oyster
made my fingers bleed once
uncut fern
i would play it but my thirds technique is cheeks💔
uncut fern
made my fingers bleed once
cool
uncut fern
and they did prok sonata 7 dirty
wild
proud oyster
i would play it but my thirds technique is cheeks💔
its not even conventional thirds technique 🥀
uncut fern
chromatic though
uncut fern
im thinking of learning it
did u not play it
proud oyster
no dirty tricks
uncut fern
and looks pianistic
those hand crossings look fuckable
proud oyster
those hand crossings look fuckable
literally
or figuratively 💀
oh wait
i know which part you're talking about
💀
the middle, after the short pause
so many holes
uncut fern
those high register chromatics bro
how the fuck am i supposed to play those
the fingering will be impossible
proud oyster
the fingering will be impossible
i have a special fingering for the first time when the hands are 6 octaves apart
the c major ish one
the second time it climaxes is more gnarly
uncut fern
such a beast of a piece
id rather play la valse
id probably find it easier ngl
less difficult parts
but ill probably bleed out on my keyboard from those glissandos
actually no on my teachers steinway
proud oyster
id probably find it easier ngl
noooooooooo
that shit is NOT easier
depending on how much of it you play
how many notes you omit*
uncut fern
i mean
proud oyster
but ill probably bleed out on my keyboard from those glissandos
glissandi do not hurt gng 💔
uncut fern
bro you do NOT know how bad my chromatic thirds and fourths are
uncut fern
glissandi do not hurt gng 💔
the ravel ones do😭
my fingers are small so theres barely any room
uncut fern
bro you do NOT know how bad my chromatic thirds and fourths are
at most i could do tristesse but those are completely different fingerings😭
i kinda dumped it on the parallel sixths tho because i was NOT going to use my teachers fingering
uncut fern
unless its a chord gliss or some siht
alborada
proud oyster
i kinda dumped it on the parallel sixths tho because i was NOT going to use my t...
25 8
proud oyster
prolly an 8
nah i have a feeling henle will meatride ravel and give it a 9
uncut fern
maybe i havent played enough glissies
proud oyster
a very strong feeling
uncut fern
nah i have a feeling henle will meatride ravel and give it a 9
wild
proud oyster
ravel toccata is very tricky
uncut fern
la valse is 8 though
uncut fern
ravel toccata is very tricky
yes ik
proud oyster
a really good debate question is which toccata is hardest?
prok
ravel
schumann
uncut fern
id probably do rigaudon
uncut fern
a really good debate question is which toccata is hardest?
prok
ravel
schumann
theyre all different techniques
proud oyster
henle is trolling 🥀
proud oyster
henle's score library is so incomplete 💔
uncut fern
yea
proud oyster
like dawg they have ravel g concerto but no left hand
uncut fern
i need the other prok sonatas
proud oyster
and im doing left hand
uncut fern
did they not
uncut fern
the g major is so fire tho i gotta do that
proud oyster
d major >>>>>
uncut fern
its kinda easy
uncut fern
d major >>>>>
meh
proud oyster
the g major is so fire tho i gotta do that
wait which composer
uncut fern
im not scriabin bro
uncut fern
wait which composer
ravel
g major is ezz
my teacher said she could teach me
cus well she performed it live
proud oyster
cus well she performed it live
oh cool
i guess its not that bad
i have its book
henle
didnt learn though
proud oyster
henle needs to hurry tf up and do tombeau
frfr
proud oyster
henle needs to hurry tf up and do tombeau
instead of doing that shit they do chopin waltz discovered in 2024
☠️
uncut fern
instead of doing that shit they do chopin waltz discovered in 2024
did they?
proud oyster
uncut fern
bro wtf
proud oyster
rigaudon is pretty easy right
the notes probably
uncut fern
already
uncut fern
the notes probably
its like toccata just toned down
uncut fern
in a way
proud oyster
i dont think they have the polonaise-fantasie
uncut fern
should be
proud oyster
but who tf plays that fr
uncut fern
i dont think they have the polonaise-fantasie
they do
proud oyster
bro i just checked
uncut fern
8💔
uncut fern
cmon none of the others reach the emotional peak of pf
proud oyster
musically is 9
uncut fern
musically is 9
yep
proud oyster
its the fucking goat polonaise
meh
uncut fern
pf is chopin going avante garde
proud oyster
pf is chopin going avante garde
bro
yknow the chopin etudes
and how debussy's kinda mirrors them
uncut fern
okay but like
uncut fern
i mean the debussy is probably much harder isnt it
proud oyster
i mean the debussy is probably much harder isnt it
certainly has more notes on average
but chopin is just nasty for your hands
uncut fern
or miroirs
uncut fern
nah
proud oyster
better than 95% of other alkan
uncut fern
ill do it sometime
uncut fern
ive listened to chemin
proud oyster
or miroirs
ew
uncut fern
bleh
proud oyster
too sweaty
proud oyster
ive listened to chemin
the worst one 💀
uncut fern
the worst one 💀
yep
proud oyster
literally higher quality than esope
NO
are you high
chemin is just rambling nonstop notes
festin de esope is full of tension, variety, and tragedy
vagrant cairn
festin de esope is full of tension, variety, and tragedy
Ye, I liked that 3rd element
uncut fern
Ye, I liked that 3rd element
sonetto 104 would be a good piece then
but
it might not be for your level
uncut fern
i mean if u try to play it u might uh
massacre it
but the nice parts arent super hard
and 61 keys arent really enough for it
vagrant cairn
Ye, and I got a second problem
I still can't read sheet music
so I gotta get a vid of it
and it's not that poupler
so Ig I won't pick it
I still feel learning sheet music is a waste of time
uncut fern
I still feel learning sheet music is a waste of time
trying to play pieces above your level while NOT being able to read sheets is a waste of time
you could never get to a higher level than you are now if u dont learn
uncut fern
so Ig I won't pick it
thats kind of a bs mentality but ok
because a lot of hidden things sound so much better than all this tiktok bullshit imo
vagrant cairn
I don't watch shorts so I don't know what poupler btw :D
anyways, Ig I will learn sheet music then
and learn la campenlla ig?
I feel it's a good one tho
or maybe flight of the bumble bee
uncut fern
neither are near your level to be completely honest
if you want to play some nice pieces
maybe
you COULD try one of the movements from Beethovens pathetique
but these are very easy to mess up if your technique is not good
it all depends on how well you play your current pieces
proud oyster
or tempest
uncut fern
or tempest
yeah that one depends