Arpeggios

[worn tapir]

is there any tip I can get to play those arpeggios? Like note-chord-note arpeggios? they are being pretty much hard to me and I just wanna know how to play them fast. Thanks!

is practicing slowly enough? if so, how many times should I repeat them?

[lyric cedar]

for how many times, until you feel you can comfortably do it at tempo and feel in control, find a fingering that feels smooth and works, and yes practicing it slowly to in grain it in your hands should be enough, i think

[worn tapir]

ok, this is a demo of what I got is my first day is this fine for the first day? or someone who is ready for this would already have it better? (Ik is horrible but I just want to know if is it normal to someone learning this piece to have this kind of arpeggios and chords like that)

[west pebble]

Is this transcendental etude 10? Looking at the score can't listen rn
You want a motion which really moves the wrist in a circle, across and up, starting to push the wrist up to allow your pinky to move down for the upper note in the intervals

Ok listened now. You really need to slow down your practise, stop putting the hands together, focus on the right hand on its own for a long while before putting the hands together

[worn tapir]

It is, is just being hard to really shape the arpeggio and make it sound good, (Ok I see, is that ok for the first day? or someone else would have it better?) (but you are not playing the chords)

[west pebble]

Sightreading cause I’ve not played the piece, hopefully this shows the right kind of movement

Isn't that what I'm playing, it's just in triplets isn't it?

I would recommend practising very slowly with a metronome, once you get the right movement (that circular motion, moving your wrist up for the chord and last note and kinda 'grabbing' the last note) you can speed it up

Might as well do them all, they're just diminished chords and they're all the same thing. Building the technique for each one will improve them all and make it much more easily applicable

[worn tapir]

You are playing them differently isnt it: note, chord, note (oh yeah I see you are just playing the rythm different) (Yes it is) (do I need metronome?) (Should I focus in one arpeggio per day or just do them all) (practicing 3 notes arpeggios will make me improve on this? or they are a different thing? C major triad for example)

[west pebble]

I think it would be more helpful to practise the bottom note then block the three upper notes in one chord with an upwards movement, then separating the upper chord apart will be easier. You should probably already be proficient with the basic arpeggios if you're playing any of the transcendental etudes

[worn tapir]

Yeah so I have been using that technique and practicing hands separate and here is a quick 1 day progress with two hands ( I have been practicing separate) is it fine for 1 day? Also is my piano out of tune? also @lyric cedar you can check that too. ( I learned the entire passage today but cant play it at that tempo yet)

[west pebble]

Sounds a lot better, still practise hands apart and slower, and learn the entire passage not just the first few bars. Still practise individual bars but you shouldn’t leave half of it out

[worn tapir]

Yeah I am really pushing my self with this piece since its really my fav etude from Liszt. I am just not 100% if I am or not ready to perform this piece because yeah I think I could but I don't wanna end up with a bad performance. So idk is there anyway I can really really know if I am actually ready for this piece? I have progress a little bit more and I am done with my arpeggio section for now(just the notes) I'll continue to move to other hard parts of the piece just to make sure I can play them at least slow since my plan is to learn the hardest parts first. This arpeggio part may be the hardest since I am not good at arpeggios so that's why I started on that part of the piece anyways I am looking forward to learn another part of the piece which is something similar to arpeggios but instead of going up it goes down it's really some complicated measures but I am pretty sure that if I am able to play that measures I am probably gonna be able to play the rest. But the question is, is it gonna be a good performance? or am I just gonna sound like a kid trying to impress, that's what I really want to see if I am capable of because I am pretty sure I can play the notes. You probably thinking of why I am gonna leave the arpeggio part so fast, well is not that I am gonna leave it is that I am gonna stop learning more arpeggios for now since my test is already completed. What I wanted to know is just if I was or not capable of playing this arpeggios (slowly at least) so I passed the first test and now I am gonna continue to play hard parts of the piece to see if I "pass the test" and if I do then I will take this piece completely seriously and really try to make it a good performance. Since rn I am just "testing" to see if I can at least play trough this measures. Also I am obviously gonna keep practicing my arpeggios is just that I will stop learning more notes on that page and move to another page with other challenges just to really really test myself.

[worn tapir]

I mean just play and see if you can is simple are you really making a fucking bible just to see if you can or not play a piece? just try it and see what happens. Also you should ask for advice to chat gpt not just ask to some random kids. like look at this dude @lyric cedar just by looking at his profile you know he wont know shit.

[worn tapir]

So yeah @west pebble like I said that large text I typed I am just gonna continue with my plan tho but I just wanna know external opinions yk because I could be wrong. But yeah looking forward to what you say and also sorry for long text :). (Yeah I don't find the coda as hard as other measures so I am not gonna try that one for now and don't get me wrong I am not trying to question you is just that if something is hard or not is more personal yk is like depends on the person) (Also congrats on feux follets that's pretty much amazing...)

[west pebble]

I've played feux follets so I'd hope I'm more reliable than chat gpt, in any case you should really chill out lmfao

The hardest part to play well imo is probably the coda or the climax (the famous 22 octaves in a row on the same note), but I've not played the whole piece. You sound fine, and shouldn't worry too much about how people will think, if you're not gonna injure yourself then just play to make yourself happy

[worn tapir]

Damn, I don't wanna hear that performance it must be a 💩 and wdym chill out bro I am just saying facts. I have played transcendental etude no.1 so I am also experienced.

[lyric cedar]

i cant tell if you're meming or not

[west pebble]

Surely they are, in any case someone who claims to be experienced from playing what is (in my opinion) the only transcendental etude easier than all of chopin's op 10 and 25 etudes is speaking rubbish. I played it years ago, there's nothing an intermediate pianist would find difficult.