Quick question

[quartz hinge]

why not?

[winter cipher]

Outside of family and being real rn, No.
Could be very rare

[fallen pewter]

haram

[quartz hinge]

💀

I mean I was and still am friends with one chick without any romantical feelings

[fallen pewter]

haram

[dusky ibex]

definitely

[fallen pewter]

bot

[vital cedar]

yes obvi i have a group of male friends whom i hangout with 24/7

[winter cipher]

[wet garden]

Pick me?

[sour gazelle]

word works

[brave dagger]

☠️

crazy ish

[fallen pewter]

LOL

[fallen pewter]

real

[winter cipher]

[vital cedar]

brother our friendship is 5 years old now i do have female friends too its just that they are new but i love them and my guy friends dont :/// but idc

[vital cedar]

ye its fun to do make up of guys and put them in a dress and feel flabbergasted cuz be lookin better than me T_T

[quartz hinge]

lol

[wet garden]

What

[fallen pewter]

haram

☹️

[vital cedar]

hows it haram

[zealous python]

LMFAO

[zealous python]

how is it haram

[winter cipher]

[fallen pewter]

interaction between opposite genders should be kept to a minimum

coming into contact with non mahram is haram

if on purpose ofc

[fallen pewter]

^

[winter cipher]

Mashallah brother on sheikh mode

[zealous python]

what? Talking to opposite sex is not permissible and what's non mahram

[winter cipher]

[winter cipher]

[fallen pewter]

talking to opposite sex is permissible when its required

like

work

or smht

[winter cipher]

Yep

[zealous python]

then why do talk to girls here

u

[winter cipher]

LMAO

good q

[fallen pewter]

and non mahram is anyone opposite gender and not in your immediate family

[winter cipher]

Ans that

[fallen pewter]

like

[zealous python]

oh

I see

[fallen pewter]

anyone with whom marriage is permissible

[fallen pewter]

erm

[zealous python]

is that a rule in Islam?

[fallen pewter]

yes

[winter cipher]

Ofc

[zealous python]

what happens if u don't follow it

[fallen pewter]

touching a non mahram is said to be worse than having a nail driven into your forehead

[winter cipher]

It’s a sin

[zealous python]

Holy fuck

[fallen pewter]

no fuck is not holy

[winter cipher]

Or smt related to hands

I forgot

[zealous python]

??

That's actually new info

[winter cipher]

Yes Helpun

Ans

[zealous python]

I never knew that Muslims can't talk to opposite sex

Like that

That means u can't make opposite sex friends either?

[fallen pewter]

no talking is permissible

but

there should be no physical contect

no intimacy

ofc

having opposite gender friends makes it more likely for you to

make physical contact

or

relationships

[zealous python]

But only if u have some work

not like that normal friends talk

[fallen pewter]

permissible but advised against it

strongly advised against it

[zealous python]

what if someone is in co education

[fallen pewter]

im in co ed

its not hard to have male friends

[zealous python]

wtf

for u?

[fallen pewter]

what

i only have male friends

[zealous python]

incel

jk

[fallen pewter]

no

[zealous python]

Studying in

[fallen pewter]

theres a difference in being unable to pull and not wanting to pull

🗣️

[zealous python]

co ed

[quartz hinge]

oh

[zealous python]

is allowed

e?

[quartz hinge]

we having an argument

[fallen pewter]

yeah ofc

[fallen pewter]

no

discussion

[zealous python]

Oh k

[quartz hinge]

oh

[zealous python]

I mean you learn to control it

not just end it

🤷‍♂️

just an opinion tho

[fallen pewter]

end what

[zealous python]

The issue

[fallen pewter]

what issue

[zealous python]

Instead of asking to not talk to opposite sex u can jus control

Like advise

Same shi

[fallen pewter]

what do you mean advise bruh

control??

[zealous python]

YOU SAID

it is

Advised to

not talk to

Opposite sex

[fallen pewter]

yea

[zealous python]

I am saying instead of

[quartz hinge]

I js read everything from top down

and holy shit

[zealous python]

saying that

you can

just

control urself

[fallen pewter]

yeah

ofc

[zealous python]

u can be adviced that

[quartz hinge]

I wanna know one thing, when you say not getting physical does that mean even touching another sex is a sin?

[fallen pewter]

yea

[quartz hinge]

like not fucking, just a touch

[quartz hinge]

fuck

[zealous python]

Ya a Muslim?

[quartz hinge]

thats crazy

[fallen pewter]

unless its married or immediate family

[fallen pewter]

hes not

[quartz hinge]

nuh uh

[fallen pewter]

no thats bad too

[zealous python]

according to Muslims every non-Muslim will go to hell?

[fallen pewter]

even some muslims will

[quartz hinge]

[fallen pewter]

many muslims

we dont know

allah knows all

[zealous python]

that doesn't answer my question 😭

[fallen pewter]

no cuz

[zealous python]

will all non Muslims

go to hell

according to islam

[fallen pewter]

there was a period before muhammad SAW's time

when the previous religions were already corrupt

so

thats what confuses me

thats why I say

[zealous python]

What are u then

[fallen pewter]

Allah knows best

[zealous python]

Wdym

[quartz hinge]

I am hindu

[zealous python]

oh

Kk

[quartz hinge]

Tho I am not hardcore hindu

[fallen pewter]

era of ignorance

jahiliya

[zealous python]

oh

I see

why is music not allowed

[quartz hinge]

like I read the epics but don't follow all the little intricacies

[zealous python]

Makes sense frfr

[fallen pewter]

story of prophet sheeth

[quartz hinge]

have even read the bible once lol

[fallen pewter]

according to some sources

[zealous python]

wha

[fallen pewter]

the musical instrument is shaitan's creation

[zealous python]

Same same

[quartz hinge]

[winter cipher]

No shiat bro

[quartz hinge]

thats crazy

[zealous python]

Wha?

so?

[winter cipher]

:pepecringe:

[zealous python]

Wdym

[fallen pewter]

blud said so

satan's creation

[zealous python]

bruh that's a myth

perhaps

😭

[fallen pewter]

dont call it a myth

[quartz hinge]

nuh uh pixel

islam forbids music

[winter cipher]

Mostly cuz of its affect

[quartz hinge]

like strictly no music

[zealous python]

what does it do

It calms and relax ur mind

[fallen pewter]

tjheres some sources

[winter cipher]

We may not relazise but music does have an impact on us

[zealous python]

Helpun listens to hiphop too 🤨🤨

[fallen pewter]

real

[zealous python]

how come

[fallen pewter]

especially depression shi

[winter cipher]

Ofc some music is way more obv bad than others

[fallen pewter]

theres LOTS of studies

[zealous python]

how does it affect u

[winter cipher]

Mhm

[fallen pewter]

about effect of music

[brave dagger]

music does not calm ur mind bro☠️☠️

try leaving music, ists muchhh more peaceful

[winter cipher]

I can’t rlly explain that much in detail but u can find this online

[quartz hinge]

most of them talk about positive effects tho

[fallen pewter]

it still changes your mood

[winter cipher]

Fr at least try limiting it

[fallen pewter]

does it not

[winter cipher]

Mhm

[quartz hinge]

I mean, talking to my mum changes my mood

so is it haram?

[winter cipher]

…

[brave dagger]

and abt the touching part, thats a sin, and abt the normal friends talk, that isnt permissible either, u can only talk to them ab work stuff, and not making up stupid convos

[winter cipher]

That wasn’t even the point Andra

[brave dagger]

are you tryna b funny at this pt or whag

[fallen pewter]

not like that jahil

[quartz hinge]

nah I am curious lol no hate

[brave dagger]

if we can respect ur hinduism, why not do the same

[winter cipher]

He talked changing mood is indirectly related

[zealous python]

where'd hinduism come from

[winter cipher]

Not Independently

[quartz hinge]

I respect every religion

[brave dagger]

u really googled that stuff? my bro try googling mastrubation side effects and itll mostly show none

[fallen pewter]

real

[brave dagger]

following the agenda lmao

[zealous python]

so you're saying ur right and google is wrong?

[winter cipher]

Certain frequencies do help I think which is why I think mediation or smt related is very popular in hinduism

[fallen pewter]

shi we got the clips of x talking about btrainwashing

[brave dagger]

im saying google is agenda driven my love

[quartz hinge]

welllllll hinduism promotes music a whole lot which is the reason I was quite curious on why music is forbidden in islam lol

[zealous python]

so anything that supports Islam is also a part of agenda?

[fallen pewter]

whats mediation

[zealous python]

me too tbh 🤷‍♂️

[brave dagger]

some things are based on practical experiences, talk to ppl whove been on no fap and refrain from music, they are on their peak

[zealous python]

I still don't get why it's haram

[winter cipher]

No1 is saying that pixs. We are just advising u about the stuff we know. And as u may or may not know Google technically isn’t the best source for this topic

[quartz hinge]

its to help you improve your focus and shit

[fallen pewter]

theres heavy music culture in ALOT of islamic countries surprisingly

[fallen pewter]

meditation

[winter cipher]

I meant meditation mb

[fallen pewter]

prayer is meditation

[quartz hinge]

yeah kinda

[brave dagger]

its not even religious bro, it supressed masculinity

[zealous python]

so where do I search? 😭

[fallen pewter]

islamqa

🗣️

[winter cipher]

Search for authentic sites

Now a days there’s a lot by sheikhs

[zealous python]

wow

[quartz hinge]

but isn't it ironic then?

[winter cipher]

There’s a number of videos on YouTube by actual sheikhs on a variety of topics

[brave dagger]

besides thetes controversy ab music involving like satan worshipping lijes the background or tweaking certain frequencies and stuff

its a mess

[fallen pewter]

theres the worship of Al Uzza in arabia

[winter cipher]

Ye

[fallen pewter]

cant call that irony can we

[quartz hinge]

I see

[fallen pewter]

its culture my love

[brave dagger]

were telling you islamic commandments, not everyone follows it

[zealous python]

how are u so sure that an Islamic website is correct and not the other million website all saying that music is good for ur health and shi

[quartz hinge]

I see

[brave dagger]

1. faith
2. experience

[fallen pewter]

its based on islamic teachings, so you're getting an islamic point of view?

[zealous python]

🙏

[brave dagger]

excluding agenda

[zealous python]

I was asking you logically tho

[fallen pewter]

logically what

[winter cipher]

Majority doesn’t equal authenticity or factuality ( in many cases in general)

[zealous python]

crazy stuff fr

[fallen pewter]

google knows whats up eh

[brave dagger]

pix what im saying is based on personal experience

[winter cipher]

Let’s see many people say alcohol is good for ur health would tht be more credible than an acc doctor saying it’s bad

[brave dagger]

listening to music now makes me wana vomit

[zealous python]

well everything in the the world has both negative and positive effects doesn't mean we will end it? :)

[winter cipher]

Haha W

[fallen pewter]

thats like saying gooning is good for you

[zealous python]

Humans are good for earth but also bad for earth doesn't means we kill ourselves??

Mean*

[brave dagger]

this started of as a religion based question btw, keep that in mind before introducing western logics to music and fap justifications

absolutely immoral

[fallen pewter]

why not

[fallen pewter]

real

[zealous python]

If you think I'm asking u religiously Nah I am asking u logically like y'all give proof n shi for everything soooo

[winter cipher]

We quite literally are killing us day by day. Eg. Climate chnage

[fallen pewter]

thats all you need imo

[fallen pewter]

warfare

[winter cipher]

Mhm

[fallen pewter]

many muslims consume alcohol

"oh its prohibited" dont mean jack shit to them

[winter cipher]

Oh and cigs/vapes

[brave dagger]

ur source is google? are you aware of the illuminati and their specific agendas

towards immorality

[fallen pewter]

YES

[winter cipher]

It’s all quite literally haram

I hate when they try to argue it’s not

[fallen pewter]

nicotine is a drug

[winter cipher]

Exactly

[winter cipher]

Especially cuz they ain’t got shit to prove it

[brave dagger]

alrdy 10mins behind schedule smh but we ball

[fallen pewter]

yeah

okay anyways try to keep religious discussion to a minimum (i def aint start it)

[zealous python]

We are also planting more trees and afforestation and a lot of people and different companies are working towards sustainable development, that's what I'm saying everything has a negative and positive impact just because it has a negative doesn't mean we END it

[winter cipher]

lmao

[zealous python]

no

[fallen pewter]

so dont end adult content?

[zealous python]

^ yeah

[brave dagger]

for a logical pov on this, dont you think stuff like music and fap bring more harm than good

[brave dagger]

not tryna heat the discussion, but asking google if fap is bad will give u the opposite answer

when yk the reality based on experience

[fallen pewter]

uyes

[brave dagger]

lmao

[zealous python]

That is something that science says

[winter cipher]

We are actively performingdeforestation and it’s impact is literally negative on a large scale. Our response to this negative activity (deforesting) is afforestation.so no afforesting isn’t a good impact. It’s us trying to counter the mess what we alrdy done

[fallen pewter]

it feeds an addiction

[brave dagger]

and leads to sterility

more harm

than good

[fallen pewter]

prevention vs protection fr

[winter cipher]

Exactly

[zealous python]

Well research (on Google) and diff research papers says that it is good for ur health

[fallen pewter]

prevent the impacts of deforestation or save the world from deforestation?

[fallen pewter]

think about it

1. its an addiction
2. you're touching your weewee regularly, sex is better

[zealous python]

So you're saying we kill humans due to that?

[brave dagger]

meri jaan k tote, ive googled this stuff way too many times, and the answer always says its positive, why would they want males to b proper men and take action?

[zealous python]

I'm talking to about music

not that

[brave dagger]

music for me its personal expert

[fallen pewter]

we're discussing willying your wonka tho 😭

[brave dagger]

experience

[fallen pewter]

ask @indigo horizon or @bold night they quit music too

[brave dagger]

yeah lmao u took a u turn there pix

yeah

[zealous python]

Y'all won't agree and just say that Google is agenda shi and wrong 🙏 maybe I should stop asking y'all cuz it will just heat up the convo and since it's religious talk so let's end the talk here please

[brave dagger]

plus realizing the false statements abt fap decreases googles credibility on providing facts regarding moral values

lmfao

[winter cipher]

R we not? Deforestation causing soil erosion= reduced soil fertility = less crops grown = starvation
Deforestation = more co2 emission = inc in heat = planet on the whole is becoming inhabitable
Sea lvl rising = ppl losing homes near it
Draughts due to the extreme heart

[brave dagger]

this wasnt getting heated at all

besides

[zealous python]

It can get potentially

And I don't want it to

[brave dagger]

we left the religious part out

wayyyy back

[zealous python]

So let's just stop

[brave dagger]

this is pure logical discussion

but okay wtv suits you

[winter cipher]

Atp we aren’t even talking abt religious stuff more like societal impact

[indigo horizon]

i got pinged

[brave dagger]

we didnt mention religion when u told us to switch to logics

[zealous python]

Bruh 💀 I didn't even say that deforestation is not a problem I am saying if someone is destroying it others are working to make it better doesn't mean we will just kill the humans n shi

[indigo horizon]

someone provide context

[brave dagger]

its over econ

someone retreated 🤭

im playing pix

we still cool?

[indigo horizon]

then gimme context man xD

[zealous python]

It can get twisted again and go back to religion like it switched a min ago

[brave dagger]

someone saying google says music is good

[fallen pewter]

pixel argues for music, vamp against

[indigo horizon]

💀

[brave dagger]

yeah

[indigo horizon]

google

[brave dagger]

not a muslim btw

so

[indigo horizon]

ah well

[brave dagger]

its a logical discussion

which he dont wana continue

respected

[fallen pewter]

speak from the POV of someone who quit music

[fallen pewter]

we wont go to religion

[indigo horizon]

even if its logical i still believe its harmful

[brave dagger]

ay i quit it too

[fallen pewter]

trust

[brave dagger]

bhai hes backing

chor de

[fallen pewter]

sahi hai

[winter cipher]

Alr leave this convo

[brave dagger]

what has this thread come to

[winter cipher]

The thread alrdy has almost 400 msgs

[brave dagger]

we setting a record w this one

[fallen pewter]

LMAO

[quartz hinge]

💀

[bold night]

erm

[quartz hinge]

This convo was very informative

[bold night]

yeah?

ask ahead

[winter cipher]

Nah vel leave it

[bold night]

i actually have a whole note based on this topic 💀

bc ppl keep askin

[winter cipher]

Not the best place to discuss this topic

[bold night]

mate

i wish i never opened this

WHY IS A 15 YEAR OLD CHILD SPEAKING ABOUT SUCH EXPLICIT TOPICS

omg what's happening here

[indigo horizon]

actually send it

[bold night]

uhm

since you asked :3

[indigo horizon]

perhaps i may share it to someone and u get thawab for it who knows

[bold night]

actually i’ll send it in dms

[sour gazelle]

@fallen pewter @brave dagger @quartz hinge @zealous python Please refrain from unnecessary/unprovoked discussions on topics that may be deemed controversial/sensitive, such as that of religion.

Thank you.

[brave dagger]

me too

[vital cedar]

wtf just happened here T_T

[fallen pewter]

yes sir

[fallen pewter]

erm

[quartz hinge]

a lot

lol

[zealous python]

I stopped later that's why

[wary heath]

what went down here?