ug-maths-physics

[vestal swift]

Finished my further maths journey 😂

Currently struggling with pre degreee life crisis 🤣

[rancid schooner]

Congratulations!

So which was your favourite FM topic?

[vestal swift]

hahahaha idk, it's been so long 😂😂

Kinda prefer calculus over linear algebra

[rancid schooner]

Calculus is fun

But Linear Algebra can save you a lot of work and also come up with very nicely written solutions.

Anyway hope those book recommendations are helpful.

Have fun!

[hushed dock]

@vestal swift you in university or school?

[vestal swift]

I'll look into them, thanks man! ^^

[vestal swift]

Applying to unis now

Got A level results in Jan

[hushed dock]

Ah good luck

[rancid schooner]

How did you do?

[vestal swift]

Ok lah 😂

Not like top in the world pro but maybe just enough to be accepted by SG 😂

[rancid schooner]

That means all A* 😄

[vestal swift]

All A* common nia 😂

[rancid schooner]

CIE?

[vestal swift]

Stpm 4.0 is god, A level 4A* is average only 😂

Yes cie

[rancid schooner]

Try some STEP questions. They are fun.

[vestal swift]

Is STEP an acronym or something?

[rancid schooner]

It’s the entrance exam for Cambridge maths. And Imperial.

Sixth Term Examination Paper

[vestal swift]

You give me MIT undergrad vibes dude

[rancid schooner]

All you need is A-Level maths knowledge. And a healthy dose of creativity and imagination 😄

No, that would be πerrot.
I’m just a bot. :)

[hushed dock]

That's a very human like bot

[rancid schooner]

AI is very advanced nowadays.

[vestal swift]

Yeah one of the most advanced bots on the planet

[hushed dock]

Very true

[rancid schooner]

https://stepdatabase.maths.org/database/index.html

They even have a database of questions.

[hushed dock]

AI requires a lot of maths right

[rancid schooner]

You could say so

[vestal swift]

Idk andrew ng said something like there's a lot of breakthrough in ANI but not AGI 😂

Sus

[stuck rapids]

So 4A*

Hahaha

Yet she is ranting here and there.. Sis u have done a great job liao xD

[vestal swift]

4A* not gonna get me full scholarship

[rancid schooner]

So you took his course or have been following his seminars etc.

[vestal swift]

Not gonna solve my problems also XD

[vestal swift]

The beginner's one🤣

[rancid schooner]

db is a she?

[stuck rapids]

I m a she too hahaha

[vestal swift]

Yes

[stuck rapids]

Yeah

[vestal swift]

I swear people keep thinking I'm male

😂

[stuck rapids]

Same in this server

[stuck rapids]

Maybe different standards and expectations.. I feel pleased with 3A* liao haha

[vestal swift]

Yeah 3A* already good for UK

Just that I'm too broke for UK and the best I can do is SG 😂

[stuck rapids]

I m definitely not considered smart.. But my results were OK.. So I m grateful

[stuck rapids]

Hk also OK one

[vestal swift]

Well I also don't consider myself smart 😂

I don't have a shit ton of ccas like most people do

[stuck rapids]

For sg yeah.. Definitely require a great profile

[stuck rapids]

[vestal swift]

random question

For the r value for covid how is it calculated

I watched this 3 blue 1 brown vid where he talked about the growth factor for covid? Like if the growth factor is above 1 then it's like an exponential graph or something

And if it's 1 then it's like the inflection point in the graph of cases against time

[stuck rapids]

Indeed quite random hahaha

[rancid schooner]

SIR model

Differential equations

[vestal swift]

Waw you do know everything thanks math god

[rancid schooner]

Haha just watch lots of YouTube videos

[unique zodiac]

Lads can I get help with a limit problem

Ik the ans is 3 but this is the working my friend sent and idk whats wrong with it

(he worked it out w/o writing the limit symbol in front of each line)

This is how I simplified it initially, but idk why this is right and the other one isnt

[rancid schooner]

As n approach infinity the expression inside the square root approaches n

Because n² dominates

[unique zodiac]

I can get that, but the answer is 3 because: n+1-n+2=3
If you just let it be n then: n-n+2=2

My question is: Why does it approach n+1 and not n?

[rancid schooner]

Does this answer the question?

[unique zodiac]

Well, not really

Thats how I kinda always did it, but both workings cant be correct because they give different answers

[rancid schooner]

1/(n+1)² tends to zero

[unique zodiac]

What makes this one incorrect?

[unique zodiac]

Mhm mhm

[rancid schooner]

It’s because you are subtracting n

So the next highest term becomes important.

If you aren’t subtracting n, then it doesn’t matter as it just tends to infinity

Or convert it to
√(n²+2n+3) - √(n²+2n+1) + 3

[rancid schooner]

another approach:

[potent pewter]

Can someone help me with this

I thought i knew how to do kruskal but this diagram made me feel completely lost

:(

znask

[stoic pelican]

Help needed <@&597104734712758296>

[potent pewter]

Help mehh

[potent pewter]

Help me senpai@rancid schooner

[rancid schooner]

This bot can only do A-Level Maths/Further Maths :) Try πerrot, TicTac, crysto or doobee.

[potent pewter]

@tawdry gull help please

[vestal swift]

Doobee has more limitations than AlexV

[rancid schooner]

Haha not true

[stuck rapids]

crysto has more limitations than any of the senpais above

[stuck rapids]

😆 ok when r u gonna stop xD i m waiting for that day

[stuck rapids]

is this somewhat Cs?

[potent pewter]

Nooo

It's from my maths hw

[stuck rapids]

but seems a bit alien to me hahaha

[vestal swift]

Math gods, for this a cross product of two vectors gives us another vector no? Why is it a determinant 😢

[rancid schooner]

3B1B?

[rancid schooner]

The determinant is the magnitude of the cross product.

If you look carefully it’s just the shoelace formula for area without the 1/2 factor.

[vestal swift]

So there should be a modulus on the LHS?

[rancid schooner]

Yes

[vestal swift]

Wdym shoelace 😅

[rancid schooner]

For tying shoes :)

[stoic pelican]

it looks like a shoelace when u cross it :DDD

[rancid schooner]

But if you convert it to a determinant of a 3x3 matrix using roe vectors with the (i,j,k) being the first row then the determinant is a vector so no need for modulus

[vestal swift]

If it's a triangle then we have to ½ it but not for parallelogram right

Damn I forgot everything after a levels 😢

[rancid schooner]

Something like that :)

[vestal swift]

Thank you legends 🙏

I'm watching this the second time because my brain is too small to get it for the first time :)

[rancid schooner]

😊

But not legend, still learning :)

[vestal swift]

Wait isn't it like 2am in Malaysia omg is the bot watching math vids at 2am 😂

[rancid schooner]

Not watching maths videos :)

Anyway the bot lives on Discord where time is universal 😄

[rancid schooner]

Which country is doobee in?

[vestal swift]

🇲🇾

[rancid schooner]

Nice

[rancid schooner]

But the way you asked isn’t it like 2am jn Malaysia? sounds like you’re somewhere else

[rancid schooner]

So doobee is Malaysian but studying abroad?

[vestal swift]

Still in Malaysia, might either study in SG or MY, not sure yet

[rancid schooner]

Apply for scholarship since results so good

[vestal swift]

CCAs non existent :) and also not super top results 🤣

[rancid schooner]

Mention you are an active contribute to ZNotes Discord helping others with Maths and Further Maths :)

[vestal swift]

I'm not even active lmao

It's like once in a blue moon I answer stuff 😂

[rancid schooner]

It’s the quality that matters not the frequency :)

Anyway now you can answer more questions haha

[stuck rapids]

Depends on where u r going to la hahahaa with ur results, getting a scholarship in my is not an issue

idk why these ppl have to underestimate their abilities

[vestal swift]

Yeah my only merit haha

Like 25% that kind, not full also 😂

[stuck rapids]

Which uni xD hahah

[rancid schooner]

doobee also giving further maths tuition?

[vestal swift]

No lol

Too stupid

[vestal swift]

Nottingham Malaysia offers 25% I think? The other ones like heriot watt has like rm10k discount but the fees are like rm40-50k per year so about the same percentage

[stuck rapids]

😫

[vestal swift]

I can't even do form 2 maths siao

[stuck rapids]

Ohhh yeah yeah Nottingham is quite stingy with their scholarship xD

Heriot watt about the same

Have u considered monash? Or smth

Foreign unis

[stuck rapids]

Huhhh

Jinjia

[vestal swift]

Er idk haha Monash is good for engineering, but I know my seniors who go there quite stress 😂

Like they limit the amount of ppl who can get A

😭

[stuck rapids]

But monash is a good uni xD

[stuck rapids]

Which major r u considering

[vestal swift]

If sg maths then malaysia engineering bah 😂

[rancid schooner]

If you have an opportunity go overseas. Different experience and exposure.

[vestal swift]

No moneh

[rancid schooner]

Take a loan

[stuck rapids]

Ohhhh good luck sia xD hahaha I think for engineering these unis are pretty good.. Especially Nottingham and monash

Southampton in jb as well, but it is located in a ghost town basically

[vestal swift]

I don't like graduating with loans

So sad

[stuck rapids]

I mean the place itself

[vestal swift]

Yeag Southampton too expensive

[rancid schooner]

Crowdfund

[vestal swift]

Coz last year have to go UK if you do 3 yr programme, if 4 yr programme then last 2 in UK

[vestal swift]

Gofundme isn't even supported in Malaysia

🤣🤣

[stuck rapids]

Yep yep xD but the scholarship amount is quite a lot for u la

[vestal swift]

Idk not really keen on going uk

Esp the currency oof

[stuck rapids]

Monash would be a good choice

[vestal swift]

If later spike up to 6ish then gg

[stuck rapids]

Which is totally possible hahaha

[vestal swift]

Form 2 maths 😂

[stuck rapids]

Ohh I was searching up their book

[vestal swift]

I suck at these kind of iq questions

[stuck rapids]

That is probably beyond their syllabus already? Cuz it is under the think smart session

[vestal swift]

I can't even do (i) 😭

[stuck rapids]

Which might be the hots questions

[vestal swift]

I mean I kinda see the pattern but idk how to write the algebraic expression 😂

[stuck rapids]

Have to apply some kind of formulas hahaha

[rancid schooner]

Those are not logical questions

Not real maths

[vestal swift]

Why haha

I hate iq maths

Calculus is the good stuff 😂

[rancid schooner]

Definitely

And complex numbers

Like sum cos kθ from k=0 to n

[stuck rapids]

Yea lo

[vestal swift]

So
1
4 = 1 + (2+1)
9 = 1 + (2+1) +(2²+1)
18 = 1 + (2+1) +(2²+1) + (2³+1)
...

But how to express in algebraic form lol

But they haven't even learned sigma 🙃

[stuck rapids]

welp

[vestal swift]

Complex further math no joke

I forgot everything dy

[rancid schooner]

What’s 1² - 2² + 3² - … -(2n)² ?

[vestal swift]

Have to use furthermath method to find 😂

[vestal swift]

Nvm I got it lmaooo

Try explaining to a 14 year old kid: hey, you haven't learned indices yet but the algebraic expression for this sequence is n + 2^n - 2 🤣🤣

[rancid schooner]

Not necessarily:) So what’s the answer?

[rancid schooner]

You can find a polynomial to fit that.

So these are pseudo maths questions. Not a good way to teach maths.

[vestal swift]

I can only think of the further maths way 😂

With the summation formula thingy

[vestal swift]

Nani pls share legend 😂

[rancid schooner]

What’s your solution?

[rancid schooner]

Well you have n points so a polynomial of order n-1 should do

[rancid schooner]

$\frac 1{12}(x^4-6x^3+23x^2-6x)$

[round siren]

AlexV

[rancid schooner]

how would you use that summation formula thingy? :)

[vestal swift]

$\sum_{r=1}^{2n} r^{2} - 2 \sum_{r=1}^{n} (2r)^{2}$

[round siren]

doobeedoobeedoobah

[vestal swift]

And then use the MF19 formula ig?

[vestal swift]

but what does this have to do with the form 2 question tho?

[rancid schooner]

Looks rather intimidating :)

[rancid schooner]

It doesn’t. Just an illustration of something more interesting.

[rancid schooner]

This fits the first series in the so-called Form 2 question.

Just to show that n+2^(n-2) is not the only possible answer

[rancid schooner]

=(1-2)(1+2)+(3-4)(3+4)+…+(2n-1-2n)(2n-1+2n)
=-(1+2+3+…+2n)
=-n(2n+1)

[vestal swift]

How did you get this? 😅

[rancid schooner]

😊

You can easily do this by equating coefficients

But I was busy so I used wolframalpha :)

[rancid schooner]

Did you like this solution @vestal swift ?

[vestal swift]

Still processing haha

Why is the transition from the first line to second line like that😢

[rancid schooner]

Because the line is too long. It’s a continuation

[vestal swift]

Oh wait I meant the -(1+2+3...2n) part

Oh nvmmm I see itt alr

😂😂

[vestal swift]

What about this one?

[vestal swift]

Pro mathematician move 👏

[rancid schooner]

😊

[rancid schooner]

Assume f(x)=ax⁴ +bx³ + ….

[vestal swift]

n points as in there are 5 terms in the sequence? So x⁴ ?

What if the question didn't give the 35 one 😂

[rancid schooner]

Then a cubic would be sufficient

[rancid schooner]

Yes that’s correct

Although if they all lie on a straight line then it’s just a linear polynomial

[vestal swift]

Then x would be 1, 2, 3 ...?

[rancid schooner]

Yes

Where’d you get the question?

[vestal swift]

Form 2 maths kssm textbook 😂

[rancid schooner]

Why are you reading F2 textbook?

[vestal swift]

Might have to teach it 😂

[rancid schooner]

Haha you’re giving tuition?

How much do you charge?

Teach A-Levels. More interesting and higher pay!

[vestal swift]

Too stupid to teach, and can't get students lmao

[vestal swift]

Idk yet maybe around myr 10 per hour cause I have no experience 😂

[rancid schooner]

You should definitely charge more

Flash your 4A*

Anyway you should tell the authors of the textbook that those “series” questions are bad questions!

[vestal swift]

Try sg primary maths lol, they're much harder 😂

[vestal swift]

I have no experience + social anxiety :)

[rancid schooner]

That’s just random pattern spotting. Not serious maths.

[rancid schooner]

Teach on Discord :)

[vestal swift]

If I can't even teach a fellow Malaysian what's more random people on the internet 😂

[stuck rapids]

Walao xD stop it la😂

U rly need to have some confidence in urself. Cmon u r not stupid if u r, wht are some of us here-dumb?

[rancid schooner]

Can teach your fellow Malaysian students on Discord

[vestal swift]

Crysto can teach 🤣

[vestal swift]

I still dk if pure maths or applied maths is better

[stoic pelican]

dumb question, what's the difference

[rancid schooner]

do you like abstract stuff?

[vestal swift]

I saw this YouTube comment that said
Pure maths is exploring the world of math
Applied math is exploring the world with math

And I was like 😱 😱 😱 🤯 🤯 🤯

[vestal swift]

Like?

[rancid schooner]

things that don't relate to the real world

[vestal swift]

Idk tho, I just like the pure math stuff in further math

But uni pure math is prolly a whole different story

[rancid schooner]

that's a good start

better than not liking it :)

[vestal swift]

But I saw this Zach Star video where he said like there's topology and stuff

And higher dimensions oh my gawd

I'm already struggling with 3 dimensions :)

[rancid schooner]

that's because you are trying to visualise it

[vestal swift]

You don't visualize stuff to understand stuff??

[rancid schooner]

maybe not always 🤔

[vestal swift]

So which one is better haha

[rancid schooner]

do you have to choose?

[vestal swift]

I see some people say pure math mainly leads to academia

[rancid schooner]

not true

[vestal swift]

Yea NTU they split into few tracks

[rancid schooner]

just so that they can say they offer more courses

haha

[vestal swift]

Like pure maths track
Applied maths track
Stats track
The other one is business track? Mcm forgot dy

[rancid schooner]

what's mcm?

[stoic pelican]

Waaa 000:

[vestal swift]

Not really has still the same degree

Macam (like in Malay)😂

[rancid schooner]

not a roman number? :)

anyway are you trying the new AP question? haha

[vestal swift]

Maybe later hahah

[stoic pelican]

Is it 2020

🤡

[vestal swift]

Feeling a bit sleepy

[rancid schooner]

haha does DB agree?

[vestal swift]

Haven't do

[rancid schooner]

just guess :)

[vestal swift]

But catto is always right :)

[stoic pelican]

🤡

[rancid schooner]

yes that's correct

[stoic pelican]

000:

:000

[rancid schooner]

did you find it surprising?

[stoic pelican]

Extremely

[rancid schooner]

😊

is there a flaw in the question?

[stoic pelican]

Lmao

[rancid schooner]

haha that was the previous question

[vestal swift]

Idk how y'all see it so FAST

[rancid schooner]

so what's the first term and common difference?

[stoic pelican]

First term is 40 and common difference is -2/5

[rancid schooner]

how did you get that?

[stoic pelican]

a+50d=20
a+100d=0

Solved simultaneously

[rancid schooner]

0 is not correct - this info is not provided

[stoic pelican]

))):

[rancid schooner]

better go back to the fm channel

[vestal swift]

Yeah I want to ask pure maths and applied maths that's why I went to this channel ahha

Dint wanna spam the fm channel 🤣

[rancid schooner]

can you switch tracks?

they should allow you to defer the decision until later

no need to be so rigid

[vestal swift]

Dint see allowed, maybe can haha

They say applied maths have more job opportunities but I also see some people say it's easier to teach a pure mathematician applied stuff than the other way round :(

[rancid schooner]

if you like applied maths then study engineering :)

otherwise pure maths

[vestal swift]

Too bad at hands on

And too technical hahaah

[rancid schooner]

if you think you might enjoy pure maths then do that

[vestal swift]

Not really fond of topology and higher dimensions stuff

[rancid schooner]

do you like doughnuts?

and coffee in mugs?

[vestal swift]

NTU applied maths has deep learning module but also some modules I don't like 🤣

[rancid schooner]

you can't like everything in life

[vestal swift]

Lololol prior no latter yes

[rancid schooner]

so you've received an offer?

[vestal swift]

Haven't applied :)

Dk what to put n achievements 🥲 🥲

[rancid schooner]

contributed extensively on ZNotes Discord, helping others with further maths problems

[vestal swift]

Yeah no certificate or anything to prove also

If get interviewed just open phone show them meh hahahha

[rancid schooner]

attach your chat history 😄

it will be a memorable interview

[vestal swift]

Lol can't wait for rejection email

[rancid schooner]

they should make an offer to a candidate who thinks outside the box and demonstrates a strong interest in the subject

[stark wave]

do they ask for it? some unis dont really ask for proof as long as you can talk about it

[stark wave]

thats a bit far alex 😂 there's physics in the middle cough

[rancid schooner]

Haha it’s just a suggestion. Not the only one.

[vestal swift]

Idk though most of the stuff I do doesn't have a certificate so they might feel like I'm making it up 😢

[unique zodiac]

Hey guys, how would you guys do this limit?

[rancid schooner]

$\begin{aligned}
c& = \lim_{x\to 0} \left(\frac {e^x}{x^2}-\frac 1x-\frac 1{x^2}\right)\
& = \lim_{x\to 0} \left(\frac 1{x^2} \left(1+x+\frac {x^2}{2!}+\frac {3^3}{3!}+\cdots\right)-\frac 1x-\frac 1{x^2}\right)\
&=\lim_{x\to 0} \left( \left(\frac 1{x^2}+\frac 1x +\frac {1}{2!}+\frac {x}{3!}+\cdots\right)-\frac 1x-\frac 1{x^2}\right)\
&=\lim_{x\to 0} \left(\frac {1}{2!}+\frac {x}{3!}+\cdots\right)\
&=\frac 12
\end{aligned}$

[round siren]

AlexV

[stuck rapids]

Alex doesn't know mcm hahaha

Heh now I wonder where he is from

[rancid schooner]

crysto is back.

[rancid schooner]

MCM = 1900
in Roman numerals :)

[stuck rapids]

Aduiii

Why must everything be related to maths

😂

[stuck rapids]

Hiiii I m a long lost friend

[rancid schooner]

It’s just a numbering system, not maths. Indeed it would be difficult to do maths using Roman numerals 😄

[stuck rapids]

☠️ hahahhaa i believe chinese characters r much tougher

hahahaha

i have seen a chemical equation which was actually written in ancient chinese characters (which arent even common hahah)

[rancid schooner]

Hmmm how did the ancient Chinese do mathematical calculations then? They were quite advanced too.

[stuck rapids]

geniuses

hahaha

[unique zodiac]

Interesting method

I tried l'opitals earlier but forgot to put in the 1/x as x/x^2 into the equation

Which made my thing look weird XD

[rancid schooner]

😊

[vestal swift]

I saw this chinese periodic table hahahha

Looks ao damn complicated

[stuck rapids]

Danggg ikr.. My eyes hurt so much

Many of which we might not even know how to pronounce at all ahhaha

[vestal swift]

LOL

I only know iron

铁

:D

[rancid schooner]

The radical on the left hand side is the same for so many elements

[stuck rapids]

金

铝

[vestal swift]

Lemme see I know how many HAHAH

[stuck rapids]

钙

[stuck rapids]

Yeahhh all of them the same man hahaha

And it is either that or the 气

[vestal swift]

About 10-15 I know HAHAH

[rancid schooner]

Then they should factorise it :)

[vestal swift]

Yes 钅is the metal one

Then 石 in Chinese legit means rock :D

[stuck rapids]

jeez not everything is related to maths my sifu

[vestal swift]

Crysto personally knows AlexV? :D

[rancid schooner]

Just trying to stay relevant to the channel in case they kick us to #chat-lounge haha

[vestal swift]

Chemistry still science wat hahaha

Chinese chemistry still chemistry

[stuck rapids]

No I don't hahaha 😆

He keeps claiming himself as a bot so hahahaa

He will never admit it

[hushed dock]

Smort

[vestal swift]

But how do you know he's Malaysian 🤯

[stuck rapids]

Just a guess
||cuz ah he did ask if I was from pj or like one of the places in Malaysia||

[rancid schooner]

||Info is available online||

[vestal swift]

Why does this sound so sus

[stuck rapids]

He quickly assumed that I was from either kl or pj if that was wht I remb

[rancid schooner]

It’s the most populous city

[vestal swift]

I'm Malaysian but I don't live there lol

[stuck rapids]

But Idk la cuz after that we once talked about Malaysian food - idk which one was it

But he gave rather different answers so I doubt my opinion actually hahaha

[rancid schooner]

You live abroad?

[vestal swift]

No lol

Still in Malaysia unfortunately 🤣

[rancid schooner]

You’re fortunate to be living there :)

[stuck rapids]

Wdym

[rancid schooner]

Isn’t it so?

[vestal swift]

No

[stuck rapids]

so where r u from sifu

[vestal swift]

Ipoh hahahah

Small town nothing much but nice bean sprouts :D

[rancid schooner]

nice

[stuck rapids]

Wht about u sir

[rancid schooner]

bots are usually found at the most populous city :)

[stuck rapids]

Lmaooo

That is way too general

[rancid schooner]

😄 have you posted any recent solutions?

[stuck rapids]

I like how u instantly changed the topic hahaua

Unfortunately nah

[rancid schooner]

Try the triangle question

[stuck rapids]

Wht triangle question?

[rancid schooner]

#573447037786259476 message

[vestal swift]

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This leads to znotes welcome page 🤣

[rancid schooner]

do you have access to #573447037786259476 ?

[vestal swift]

Oops no

[rancid schooner]

Just sign up

[rancid schooner]

@stuck rapids simplified version below:
Find the difference between the areas of two possible triangles ABC in which ∠BAC=𝜃, BC=a, and AC=2BC, giving your answer in terms of a and 𝜃.

[stuck rapids]

🤣

[rancid schooner]

too easy?

[stuck rapids]

I just like how u randomly threw maths questions to me

[rancid schooner]

you and DB. just to see both your solutions in neat handwriting :)

[stuck rapids]

Ohhh so that was ur purpose

I see I see xD

[rancid schooner]

and both of you come up with nice solutions as well :)

[stuck rapids]

U and ur obsession with maths

[rancid schooner]

yours too presumably that why you are here :)

[vestal swift]

TODAY IS A VERY SPECIAL DAYYYYYY!!!! 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399

[rancid schooner]

😄

Happy 𝛑 Day!

[vestal swift]

Most important day of the year for math enthusiasts 🤩 🤩 🤩

[verbal nova]

so this is where all the maths people hang out smh

[stuck rapids]

yes welcome

[vestal swift]

@rancid schooner maths legend, is this question flawed? No limits?

Shd be x instead of a right, if so still no ans?

Had is limit in Malay😂

[rancid schooner]

Not a misspelling of Hard? :)

[rancid schooner]

Haha please. Not deity. Sounds like something from a Chinese temple :)

[rancid schooner]

Yes very probably so. Where is this from? Not very neat typesetting.

[vestal swift]

Lol some weird SPM practice question I'm guessing lmao

I dint type that hahaha

[rancid schooner]

Why are you doing SPM questions?

[rancid schooner]

Haha I know

[vestal swift]

Answer questions on forum🤣

[rancid schooner]

Better post your own YouTube video

So what’s the answer? It’s a badly constructed question.

[vestal swift]

Idk haha if maths legend says no answer then there is no ans :)

[stuck rapids]

Hey u should opt for offering tuitions

[stuck rapids]

@vestal swift ||ok so i suddenly recall the details from the messages that day, we were talking about malaysian food, and we talked about panmee..alex did give a rather weird desc of it hahha||

👀

[vestal swift]

LMAO WUT

Nasi lemak and spaghetti is so DIFFERENT

[stuck rapids]

bukan bukan it is the panmee

hahaha

[hushed dock]

This channel is more like doobee Alex and crysto lounge xD

[stuck rapids]

wanna join xD?

[vestal swift]

How would you all describe maths in one elegant sentence :D

Totally not bc I need essay ideas

[stuck rapids]

that sounds rly english..

[rancid schooner]

e^(iπ)+1 = 0

[vestal swift]

In English without symbols :D

[rancid schooner]

It’s a mathematical sentence.

That would make your application stand out

Maybe you can then explain why it is so elegant

[stuck rapids]

describe maths as the universe

[verbal nova]

e pi and i
answer found from trig functions
e^it = cos(t) + isin(t) found from differentiating

just brings everything together

so many concepts

[rancid schooner]

😊

and symbols

[verbal nova]

yeah

e pi and i 3 completely unrelated things

[rancid schooner]

yes, also 1,0

[verbal nova]

lol

[rancid schooner]

and +, =

[verbal nova]

everything in one equation

[rancid schooner]

thanks to Euler

[verbal nova]

yup

lost his eye for maths too

man that equation literally taught me that anything is possible

cos(x) can be greater than 1

i^i

log of negative numbers

[rancid schooner]

haha

so no longer constrained by b^2-4ac≥0

[vestal swift]

too late, already submitted lol

[vestal swift]

what T_T y'all different league

meanwhile me: Why is the construction of a line segment using only a ruler less accurate? :DDD

[rancid schooner]

What was your sentence?

Parallax error

And in traditional Euclidean geometry they don’t use rulers, only straightedge and compass. Straightedge has no markings.

[vestal swift]

Tmr I'll tell you bc the deadline is tmr HAHAHHA

[vestal swift]

Wut

Try explaining that to a 13-year-old :D

[rancid schooner]

teach A-Level maths, more fun :)

[stuck rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

dont think i belong here welp

and awake at 4 in the morning?

[rancid schooner]

yes why is db awake at 4.30am?

[stuck rapids]

U also why awake at 5.08am? Maybe u r from elsewhere hmmmmph 😆

Math enthusiast :what is sleep, it is not even in my dictionary

[vestal swift]

Bc I procrastinate and do things last minute lololol

[vestal swift]

Told you alr I sleep at 5am 😂

Rip liver

[vestal swift]

I forgot everythingggg

U go teach hahaha

[hushed dock]

Alex teach host a session

[rancid schooner]

Haha bots can’t teach.

But db and crysto can do a joint one.

[hushed dock]

Yes

You 3

3 hosts

[stuck rapids]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[stuck rapids]

cough

https://tenor.com/view/pair-of-kings-lies-lie-gif-15300572

[vestal swift]

Db can't teach as well

[vestal swift]

https://youtu.be/PhNUjg9X4g8

@rancid schooner :D

[stoic pelican]

Lmao my fren sent me this yesterday

[stark wave]

Ohh yeah I remember watching this years ago

[verbal nova]

I never held a chalk, so can’t relate to this

Never even seen an actual chalk board used in school either hmm

[stoic pelican]

Children won't understand

😌

[rancid schooner]

haha yes saw that. you might need some soon when you become a maths tutor/teacher/lecturer

[vestal swift]

Told u dy brain too small to be that 😂

:)

[rancid schooner]

so what's your single sentence describing mathematics?

[verbal nova]

bruh what is that last word

[hushed dock]

Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣

[vestal swift]

I read the comments and they said it's in tagalog or something hahaha

[vestal swift]

Kinda cringe

"enigmatic realm of creative analysis"

Lol

[rancid schooner]

wow

nice :)

[vestal swift]

Hope the application reviewers think so too 😭

[rancid schooner]

what else did you write?

[vestal swift]

Personal stuff

Desperately trying to flex

But miserably failed

The prompt was values and beliefs you hold strongly to :D

[rancid schooner]

what if you say you like maths and are very good at it but don't care for anything else?

[vestal swift]

Lol rip

They probably laugh their asses off

"look at this loser who's good at nothing else🥲 "

[rancid schooner]

who may come up with groundbreaking research in maths one day

[vestal swift]

Nah, that's u

[rancid schooner]

bots don't do research

:)

[vestal swift]

I'm way stupider than a bot :)

[vestal swift]

Btw, Gaussian elimination is same as row echelon form right?

[swift zinc]

Yeah gaussian elimination is the process you use to get to row echelon form

[vestal swift]

Ahh alright thanks for verifying that! :)

[swift zinc]

Np

[vestal swift]

And also is reinmann sum the correct term for the A2 furthermaths chap where we use rectangles to approximate the area under the curve haha

[swift zinc]

Yeah pretty much

In regular A2 Math we used trapeziums iirc

I think that was developed from Riemann sums

[vestal swift]

Did they introduce back the trapezium rule in paper 3?

It was in paper 2 only when I sat for A levels 😅

[swift zinc]

It mightve been a paper 2 only topic, but I still had to learn it

[vestal swift]

I'm also too dumb to understand this lmao

[vestal swift]

Fellow math major?

[swift zinc]

Yepp

Data Science and Math

[swift zinc]

Inverse of a 3x3 matrix is a massive pain

[vestal swift]

Idk about the orthogonal and orthonormal part, so confusing

[swift zinc]

Yeah even I don't understand that

[vestal swift]

How is it :)

Is uni math very different from further math ahhahahaq

[swift zinc]

Oh it's really fun

[vestal swift]

Applied or pure maths?

[swift zinc]

Uni 1st year math is very similar regular A-level math

I never did a level further math

[swift zinc]

Those aren't separate majors here

[vestal swift]

Ahh okay, which uni if you don't mind me asking :)

[swift zinc]

Nw

University of sydney

[vestal swift]

Which particular fields? XD

[swift zinc]

So in my first semester I did algebra, calculus and statistics units and I found all of them interesting

Then I had 2 programming units, 1 is hardcore python and the other was more data science based

[vestal swift]

Do you also learn stuff like ML or AI?

[swift zinc]

Yeah I did some basic ML in my data science unit, I think hardcore AI is in 3rd year

[vestal swift]

So would it be accurate to say that DS,ML, and AI are just combinations of stats and programming 🤣

Still kinda noob at those stuff haha

[swift zinc]

Tbf yes

[vestal swift]

Any key differences between the 3?

And also data analytics vs data science hahaha

[swift zinc]

A bit of business domain knowledge as well

[swift zinc]

ML is providing data to a machine and teaching it to find patterns in said data and use it to predict future data

Data science is essentially a combined application of statistics, programming and business knowledge to clean up and find insights into data so that a particular industry can use those insights to develop their product or service

...
I have no clue how to explain AI

[swift zinc]

From my understanding data analytics is 1 step in the whole data science process

[vestal swift]

Ah okay, coz I saw there's like two jobs: data analyst and a data scientist, not really sure what are the job scope differences of the two ahhaha

I just remembered that data scientist has more work and higher pay 🤣

[swift zinc]

Lmaooo

[rancid schooner]

It’s how you get there.

[vestal swift]

thanks haha I still struggle with the math terminologies :D

[vestal swift]

what about the orthogonal and orthonormal one :D

[rancid schooner]

That’s a dentist that helps align your teeth

[rancid schooner]

What maths books/websites is db reading?

[vestal swift]

No time now, just occasionally 3b1b vids 😪

Had to rewatch coz my memory sucks :D

[stuck rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

🤣 dont feel like i actually fit in here hahhaaa

[vestal swift]

Can der, I'm just airhead desperately trying to fit in also😂🤣

[stuck rapids]

Hahahahaha

[vestal swift]

The stupid questions I ask 😌

[stuck rapids]

Iq up up up

In this channel

Wavelengths secreted by the brain not on the same level hahaha

[vestal swift]

Fake it till I make it

[rancid schooner]

Brainwaves are emitted. Not secreted. :)

[stuck rapids]

Sry boss

Just wanna go against bio

Since I hate it a lot

[rancid schooner]

Crysto majoring in maths?

[stuck rapids]

Well.. It is a very statistics heavy course

Wish a good luck to me, hoping I won't die

[rancid schooner]

Which course and where?

Good luck!

[stuck rapids]

Have a guess

[rancid schooner]

Hmmm

UK?

[stuck rapids]

Well it is a UK uni yes..

That is still too general hahahaa make some more guess

It is usually easier to guess if u know the course

[vestal swift]

Not actuarial science ah XD

[vestal swift]

UK uni in MY? :o

[stuck rapids]

||hey u||

[rancid schooner]

Nice. Which one?

[vestal swift]

Heriot Watt? XD

[stuck rapids]

wth yes

[rancid schooner]

Can you transfer after year 1 or 2?

[stuck rapids]

boleh abang

[stark wave]

Yukan is in Herriot watt too!

[vestal swift]

UK?

Yukan also Malaysian?

[stark wave]

Yeah

[vestal swift]

Wahh

[stark wave]

I think so

[vestal swift]

So many math gods

And then there's me 🤡

[stark wave]

The fact that you're on this channel is math god enough

[vestal swift]

Anyone can self assign a role to themselves

[stark wave]

But you use the role

Not everyone does that

[vestal swift]

To ask stupid questions XD

[rancid schooner]

uk is in Yukan

[stuck rapids]

Cmon u r a math person too

[vestal swift]

Not math god 😔

[stuck rapids]

I m perhaps the worst one here hahaha and I ain't saying anything

[vestal swift]

I know a guy who got top in the world for fm

Best across 3

😢 😢 😢

[stuck rapids]

Wht wht wht wtf

[stuck rapids]

Which subs does he take

[vestal swift]

Chem phy math fm

[stuck rapids]

But u can't always compete with the rest la.. Like don't compare 💪 just believe in urself

[swift zinc]

I got a B in regular AL math 😭

[swift zinc]

Yes

[vestal swift]

Idk sometimes if I don't compare I don't get the motivation to improve myself XD

But if I compare I also get depressed

[stuck rapids]

Yes yes I understand wht u mean

But don't overdo it

[stuck rapids]

[swift zinc]

Compare yourself to smol dummy Ig kids then, you feel smart and also not depressed

[stuck rapids]

Wht is Eminem doing now?

[swift zinc]

BSc at USyd

[stuck rapids]

Ohhhh~

Dang aus

[swift zinc]

Yeeee

[vestal swift]

At least they rich

[stuck rapids]

Cmon don't feel so depressed

[vestal swift]

Istg everyone on ig either have killer body good looks or shitload of money

[swift zinc]

By ig I meant IGCSE lolololololol

Not insta

[stuck rapids]

issa toxic community, most of the time I don't go on insta and yes hahahaa the next moment I feel extremely anxious

[stuck rapids]

😆

[vestal swift]

Ikr discord is so wholesome🥺 🥺

[swift zinc]

Fr

[stuck rapids]

Discord is for me tbh

[vestal swift]

Idk why, to me insta is much more toxic than Twitter or fb or anything hahaha

[stuck rapids]

out of so many other social platforms

[stuck rapids]

Twitter also toxic af 😆 I had enough hahaha

Also douban (a Chinese application)

That one lagi worse, actually the worst I have seen

[vestal swift]

What about tiktok hahaha

I'm that genz who hates tiktok

With a burning passion lmao

[rancid schooner]

No one noticed my comment 🤔

[stuck rapids]

I don't use tiktok at all

[vestal swift]

?

[stuck rapids]

I haven't checked the server recently.. Maaf abang

[rancid schooner]

Haha that’s ok.

[vestal swift]

I'm so scared of working in Malaysia man, that's why I'm so desperate to go to SG

[rancid schooner]

This

[vestal swift]

STEM graduates are so underpaid

[vestal swift]

Oh I only get the joke now

[stuck rapids]

Understandable.. 😭

[rancid schooner]

😄

[vestal swift]

Smooth brain

[stuck rapids]

Malaysia ekonomi gagal, semua gagal la adui

[vestal swift]

Lab assistant gets paid minimum wage tf

[stuck rapids]

Nice nice xD so u applied to nus or ntu recently I believe?

[vestal swift]

Yeaa hope they accept lmaooo

They accept I also don't know if got enough money to go there :D

[stuck rapids]

;-; exactly.. So I didn't think about doing stem subjects at all

[vestal swift]

Idk depends i guess, if Malaysia then better work in MNC

[stuck rapids]

Weh don't say that

[stuck rapids]

Exactly

[vestal swift]

Like that genius dude who got top in the world for fm, fresh grad salary alr 5k there

[stuck rapids]

That one few years back ah

[vestal swift]

He just graduated last year 😭

[stuck rapids]

Huh huh from a level?

Atau degree

[vestal swift]

Yeah so if you want high pay die die also have to work in mnc

Degree

But took a levels also

[stuck rapids]

Dang 5k is damn a lot

[vestal swift]

Dude is a legend 🥲

Smol brain ppl like me can never HAHAHHW

[stuck rapids]

Wehhh never say that again

[rancid schooner]

DB must be a very competitive student.

[stuck rapids]

Betul

[rancid schooner]

Hasn’t started uni yet but already comparing pay.

When crysto starting uni?

[vestal swift]

Salah

[vestal swift]

Oh coz the Malaysian pay gap page was trending on ig

[rancid schooner]

Applying to any Malaysian universities?

[vestal swift]

Maybeeee, but not my first choice hahaha

[rancid schooner]

How about beyond my and sg?

[vestal swift]

Insufficient cash

[rancid schooner]

Apply for loan or scholarship

[vestal swift]

Overseas don't have full scholarship 😔

And not really fond of loans coz I dun wanna graduate with DEBTS

[rancid schooner]

Anyway please post more solutions here or interesting problems!

[vestal swift]

No u

I still don't get like the 3b1b stuff

Tough shit for my smooth brain

[rancid schooner]

Here’s one. Evaluate
tan π/7 tan 3π/7 tan 5π/7

[stuck rapids]

Well in fact that is one of the main concerns

Sometimes it is practical to consider many aspects.. Like location, the ranking of that uni, how famous is the uni for this particular course, and like the environment

[rancid schooner]

When do you start?

[stuck rapids]

in sep actually.. But I will be in an uni for a short sem

[rancid schooner]

What do you mean

[stuck rapids]

it is hard to say it here haha

Something rather personal

[vestal swift]

Teaching ahhh

[rancid schooner]

Very enigmatic

[floral sky]

The answer is || negative sqrt(7) ||

[floral sky]

Here you go:

[rancid schooner]

Nice

What’s the answer?

[floral sky]

The answer is: (click to reveal)

[rancid schooner]

Nice

So ||just multiply by the catalyst||

[floral sky]

Right! 😃

[rancid schooner]

😊

[vestal swift]

Hi another math god

[floral sky]

Hello! No I'm not a god, I am a dragon

[rancid schooner]

Method?

[floral sky]

A very shameful one, called Googling 😂

[stuck rapids]

😏 大神打架

[floral sky]

I know this is what you wanted to see

[stuck rapids]

Wht is with that bold

[floral sky]

It is the 打架 tone of voice

[rancid schooner]

So which method did they use?

[vestal swift]

Oh where does dragon hail from?

Malaysian also?

LOL

[floral sky]

Actually ya, Malaysian also xD

[stuck rapids]

ahahahhaaa

[vestal swift]

Walao why you all so PRO

[vestal swift]

Hmm in uni or a levels?

[rancid schooner]

Female, male, or other dragon?

[stuck rapids]

we semua malaysian

[floral sky]

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1928997/show-that-tan-pi-7-tan2-pi-7-tan3-pi-7-sqrt7

[stuck rapids]

dk about alex

who is apparently a bot staying worldwide

[vestal swift]

Probably alien assigned to study planet Earth

[floral sky]

Male dragon

[vestal swift]

And is disappointed with humans

[rancid schooner]

So that’s what M stands for

[floral sky]

I graduated uni oredi 😶

[stuck rapids]

with such an exceptional iq

[vestal swift]

Waww what degreee

[floral sky]

Yeah, Male, Malaysian

[vestal swift]

Yeah probably laughing at my absurd questions in disc

[floral sky]

Math hahaha

[vestal swift]

WOAHHHH

[stuck rapids]

😲

[vestal swift]

Whereee

[floral sky]

small town in the UK

[vestal swift]

I plan to major in math too but seems like a depressing choice

[vestal swift]

Niceee

So in UK now?

[stuck rapids]

i m feeling like a potato now

[vestal swift]

Same same

[floral sky]

I moved back to Malaysia dy

[vestal swift]

Why ahhh hahaha

[rancid schooner]

Wow. Then what are you doing around here?

[vestal swift]

Patriotism? :)

[stuck rapids]

😲 here

here he goes hahhahaa

[vestal swift]

HAHAHAHAH

[stuck rapids]

is alex from msia

[floral sky]

Not really patriotism hahaha, just that family treats me well

[vestal swift]

Nice nice

What's your job now haha

[stuck rapids]

lemme see wht kinda excuses alex is gonna give me this time

[floral sky]

Trying to earn money from the stock markets

[vestal swift]

Fuiyohh

[rancid schooner]

Wow. Which small town? Cambridge or Oxford?

[floral sky]

Hahahaha why u so accurate one........ Cambridge

[vestal swift]

Was the maths knowledge applicable

[stuck rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[vestal swift]

Another xueba

[stuck rapids]

dashennnnnn

[floral sky]

Nah not really I have to learn alot of other stuff

[rancid schooner]

So what brings you to this server?

[floral sky]

Crysto dragged me here kicking and screaming hahahaha

[rancid schooner]

Nice 😄

[vestal swift]

Lol you all know each other?

[rancid schooner]

Crysto’s friend?

[floral sky]

No la, only know thru Discord

[vestal swift]

Waw pro ppl know pro ppl

Great minds think alike

[rancid schooner]

So you could have easily solved that without googling haha

[floral sky]

Maybe.......

Depends whether I'm on form or not

[vestal swift]

As a math major, which field do you plan to venture into?

[rancid schooner]

Wah sounds like interview

[vestal swift]

Stupid q lmao 🤣🤣

[vestal swift]

Your Malaysian side is showing ;)

[floral sky]

Now I just want to master how to earn money by trading and investing

[stuck rapids]

the way we met was kinda odd hahahaa

[rancid schooner]

Please share some more nice maths puzzles

[stuck rapids]

it was so random xD

[rancid schooner]

A bot adapts to make the people feel at home

[vestal swift]

Sus

[rancid schooner]

Another maths server?

[stuck rapids]

yalo

see if he is able to jiao bian this time

[vestal swift]

Lol what

[stuck rapids]

not xiaobian hahaha but ik u r just tryna make fun

like joke around

[rancid schooner]

So MDragon must be really brilliant

[stuck rapids]

so u clearly do know chinese

[vestal swift]

Maybe he is half banana hmm

Or maybe super pro but made a smart joke

[floral sky]

Eh, u know, in Cambridge there are students, and there are gods. I was only a mere student 😛

[rancid schooner]

Please continue

[vestal swift]

Hello can get into Cambridge already pro 👏 👏 👏

[stuck rapids]

ahahhahaa it was kinda funny actually, i used to join random servers from disboard back then. somehow i quit the one which he was in

back then i had this name crystalyooooooo so he kinda found it funny la

and added me xD

[rancid schooner]

What server was that?

[stuck rapids]

i totally forgot xD

[stuck rapids]

depends hahhahaa

i think he is a half banana somehow

i think we might need to rename this channel

malaysian gang

[vestal swift]

https://youtu.be/W0_Tt0En7v4

[rancid schooner]

You can start a thread

[floral sky]

Me isit? Ya English is by far my better language

[vestal swift]

Alex the bot

[stuck rapids]

referring to alex

xD

[floral sky]

oh

[rancid schooner]

Before they usher us to #lounge

[stuck rapids]

but u confirm la..ur english is on another level

[rancid schooner]

So wouldn’t MDragon find the maths here rather too elementary?

[floral sky]

Ya, I just joined to help ppl

[stuck rapids]

cmon there is u here

[floral sky]

that's true......

[rancid schooner]

That’s nice

[rancid schooner]

Haha very funny

[stuck rapids]

ehhh sounds like malaysian here

[stuck rapids]

is it allowed xD

[vestal swift]

I tot thread will like close after some time of inactivity

[floral sky]

just add the word "math" in it and it will be allowed xD

[vestal swift]

Mathemalaysians

:D

[rancid schooner]

db’s name useful for creating combinatorics questions

[stuck rapids]

But I believe it will stay active forever hahaha

😏

[vestal swift]

LMAOOOOO

[rancid schooner]

Like MISSISSIPPI

[stuck rapids]

Ohhhh damn db's name is way too long for that

[vestal swift]

Would be honoured if that came out in a levels 😌

[floral sky]

seems like you are familiar with the Mississippi rule

[stuck rapids]

Wht is doobeedoobeedoobah

[rancid schooner]

For CPR?

[stuck rapids]

It sounds a bit like ambulance

[floral sky]

ehh?? got CPR one meh?

[vestal swift]

It's the Perry theme song

[rancid schooner]

For counting

[vestal swift]

From Phineas and Ferb :D

[floral sky]

oh, I was thinking a different CPR 🤣

[stuck rapids]

Ohhhh xD

[floral sky]

ya for combinatorics

[rancid schooner]

What is the MISSISSIPPI rule?

[stuck rapids]

One of the main reasons I invited this sifu here is bc

I can kind of sense similar vibes from both of yall hahaha

[vestal swift]

And I'm just spectator

[rancid schooner]

Haha bots don’t have vibes

[floral sky]

It's just the rule for counting the permutations of MISSISSIPPI

[vestal swift]

I like to listen to conversations between two people way smarter than me :D

[stuck rapids]

Bots bots bots cmon

[floral sky]

oh, "formula" not "rule"

[rancid schooner]

Haha didn’t know it’s called that.

So effectively it’s a multinomial?

[vestal swift]

Bots don't have humour

[stuck rapids]

Yes 神仙打架

Like a legend fighting another legend

[floral sky]

Yea u can say that

[rancid schooner]

😊

[vestal swift]

Ok if I struggle in uni hope y'all can carry me LMAOOO

[floral sky]

Anyway it's from a really awesome book: The Art and Craft of Problem Solving, by Paul Zeitz

[stuck rapids]

😏

[floral sky]

Lots of good math questions inside

[rancid schooner]

Nice. I have that book.

[stuck rapids]

Fuiyoooo

Rly got the same interests xD

[floral sky]

Oh awesome :D

[rancid schooner]

I just read random pages haha

[floral sky]

Must do your exercises! xD

[stuck rapids]

||time to sign off hahaha it feels like there are 2 convos going on at the same time||

[vestal swift]

Too dumb for this

[floral sky]

I actually wanna sleep 🤣

[stuck rapids]

Go sleep la dragon ge

🤣

[rancid schooner]

Some of the ones on complex numbers are very nice

[floral sky]

ikr

[vestal swift]

So as a math major what books do u recommend for someone stoopid like me

[floral sky]

okay, I must obey Crystal's commands

[vestal swift]

[stuck rapids]

Bruh xD hahahaha

[floral sky]

eh........ what's your aim?

[rancid schooner]

So it’s crysto not crystal

[floral sky]

oops 😶

[stuck rapids]

No it is crypto

🤣

[floral sky]

Okay crypto

[rancid schooner]

MDragon studied mathematics of cryptography?

[floral sky]

Not at uni

[stuck rapids]

wtf are they even saying

[vestal swift]

Ikr

[floral sky]

I was trying to figure out how Bitcoin works

[rancid schooner]

So you’ve read Satoshi’s paper?

[vestal swift]

Uh idk pure or applied tbh

[floral sky]

and learned all the hash function stuff there xD

[rancid schooner]

Nice

[vestal swift]

But yeah aiming for ntu hope they accept this noob

[floral sky]

no, I read from 3rd party sources 🙃