#university-choices🎓 | ZNotes | Page 13

feral scaffold Mar 27, 2021, 8:53 AM

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ah so sat shouldnt be a problem yet

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 8:53 AM

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Nope most universities are test optional now

feral scaffold Mar 27, 2021, 8:53 AM

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cause i got like 800 in maths but struggling with sat english section

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 8:53 AM

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Ahh same

feral scaffold Mar 27, 2021, 8:54 AM

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yeah but people worldwide are making it a bit more challenging

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i dont think they will accept you if you dont show up your sat's

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 8:54 AM

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If you get a good SAT score then send it but if you dont then dont send it

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Nah Ik people who got in without SATs

feral scaffold Mar 27, 2021, 8:54 AM

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dude why english is there!!!

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isnt toefl enough

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Idk

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Ik someone who got into harvard without submitting an SAT score so im sure its possible

feral scaffold Mar 27, 2021, 8:55 AM

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i mean applying in ivy league without sat's is fine??

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 8:56 AM

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yeah ig

feral scaffold Mar 27, 2021, 8:56 AM

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you gonna apply this sep?

fast thicket Mar 27, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Lol all my A*'s just converted to 4.0, so no difference for A vs A*

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But I guess you could declare that A* is 4.3 and count it that way, if the uni has no rules for it

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While US has SATs for high school, the rest of the world takes IGCSE 😂

cedar hollow Mar 27, 2021, 9:52 AM

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I've committed to McGill University! pepedance

dark vigil Mar 27, 2021, 9:54 AM

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Nice!

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 10:17 AM

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Ohh congrats!

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What is your conditional offer?

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 10:18 AM

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fast thicket While US has SATs for high school, the rest of the world takes IGCSE 😂

Hahah yeah at least the SAT is optional now

cedar hollow Mar 27, 2021, 10:19 AM

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faint pulsar What is your conditional offer?

2A*'s and 2A's

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Thanks guys!

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 10:38 AM

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Oh

cedar hollow Mar 27, 2021, 11:01 AM

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why?

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Coz in the website it says A*AA for engineering

cedar hollow Mar 27, 2021, 11:04 AM

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well I have 4 subjects

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my predicted has 2A* and 2A so that's my conditional offer

faint pulsar Mar 27, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Yeah

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Hi guys

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I want to apply to a university in canada or the usa?

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Which one will best if i want a full ride

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For cs

slow violet Mar 31, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Can you be less vague~

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:42 PM

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sorry?

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i meant

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i wan to study cs at a canadian or usa uni

vague atlas Mar 31, 2021, 2:43 PM

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why dont you look into computer engineering?

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:43 PM

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i just finished my A2 level exams

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:44 PM

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vague atlas why dont you look into computer engineering?

im more into cs sir 🙂

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i have 3 subjects

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physics chemistry and mathematics

vague atlas Mar 31, 2021, 2:45 PM

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i think an engineering degree has more opportunities than one in science

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:45 PM

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okay

vague atlas Mar 31, 2021, 2:46 PM

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and those subjects are fine for you to be admitted to any type of engineering field

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if you'll be studying at a good place and have to leave your country, better to have a degree that has more opportunities to match the investment you're putting in

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:47 PM

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so you mean like

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cybersecurity

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ai

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and stuff?

vague atlas Mar 31, 2021, 2:48 PM

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computer engineering

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:48 PM

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oh ok

vague atlas Mar 31, 2021, 2:48 PM

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but you can explore those options as well if you like them

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i said computer engineering because you mentioned computer science

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:49 PM

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yeah

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i mainly wanted to do cs

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then maybe shiftto cyber sec or ai or information tech

vague atlas Mar 31, 2021, 2:51 PM

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just be sure to find a degree compatible with types of jobs you can work in as well

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 2:51 PM

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yeah thanks

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so for computer science or information tech which uni will best

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that has more flexible scholarships

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a full ride would be best

vague isle Mar 31, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Kinda scared for computer engineers ngl cuz the supply for computer engineering and different types of it is kind of increasing in Canada what if by the time yall graduate they alr have enough and the wages decrease due to less demand just sharing my overthinking thoughts im sorry ill go away now cjcnfnd

cedar hollow Mar 31, 2021, 3:33 PM

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cerulean pivot Which one will best if i want a full ride

Sorry to say but

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Full ride is not possible

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Unless you have a Nobel peace prize

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Which you likely don't so max scholership you will get if you have normal extracurricular's is about 4 thousand dollars

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I assume you are an international applicant

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Bursaries are available which are financial need based

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So you would have to show your household income is less than an X amount

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The maximum merit based scholership that I've seen is 180K cad dollars

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And iirc that still wasnt a free ride

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Usa will be harder if you want even a little financial aid imo

cerulean pivot Mar 31, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Yeah

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True

cerulean pivot Apr 1, 2021, 6:29 AM

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cedar hollow Sorry to say but

can i pm sir?

cedar hollow Apr 1, 2021, 6:29 AM

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cerulean pivot can i pm sir?

yes yes why not

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go ahead

faint pulsar Apr 1, 2021, 6:58 AM

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There are a few merit scholarships for canadian universities but they arent full ride.

cerulean pivot Apr 1, 2021, 7:05 AM

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faint pulsar There are a few merit scholarships for canadian universities but they arent full...

okay thanks for the info

tulip copper Apr 1, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Hi. What A level grades would be considered competitive if I want to get into University of McMaster or Western University of Ontario computer science?

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I mean what should I be targeting

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Any help would be appreciated 😀

cedar hollow Apr 2, 2021, 12:02 AM

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tulip copper Hi. What A level grades would be considered competitive if I want to get into Un...

2 A stars out of 4

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Or at least 1 out of 3

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So typically A* A* A A

tulip copper Apr 2, 2021, 6:54 AM

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A* A A works?

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Or perhaps A * A* A?

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Cause im only doing 3 subjects

cedar hollow Apr 2, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Yeah

cedar hollow Apr 2, 2021, 7:42 AM

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tulip copper Or perhaps A * A* A?

That's more than enough

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Nice

tulip copper Apr 2, 2021, 7:43 AM

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Great. Thanks for the help

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 1:27 AM

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This is a IVY league decision simulator for Harvard college. click once anywhere. this is based on actual percentages of acceptances

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But it may not be 100% accurate.

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Try your luck haha

grim quail Apr 7, 2021, 8:24 AM

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cedar hollow This is a IVY league decision simulator for Harvard college. click once anywhere...

:D

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 8:33 AM

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pog

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 10:11 AM

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Is it hard to get accepted in canadians unis?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 10:43 AM

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cedar hollow Is it hard to get accepted in canadians unis?

That's a veeerryy subjective question

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It all depends on your grades and personal essays

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I'm having A levels next year
and my grades aren't bad nor excellent (O levels and AS levels)

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aiming for CS or Software engineering

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do they need competitive grades

wraith elk Apr 7, 2021, 10:57 AM

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cedar hollow aiming for CS or Software engineering

luking at the field, yes.

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 11:01 AM

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Most of the UNI's I searched for have a minimum requirement of grade C my grades fall between A and B.

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Yes

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For waterloo which is one of the top ranked unis for cs

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You need coding experience

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Good grades like many Astars

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And you need a good AIF

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Which is like the personal profile

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You need coding experience otherwise you can't apply

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There is a space where they ask you to lost your coding experience on the AIF

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@cedar hollow

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You would need at least 2A*'s

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@cedar hollow coding wise I'm good I have a good experience with programming. Academically, not so sure my O levels were in 5 subjects with 2A* 1A 2B

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However I'm not applying for waterloo, tuitions are above my budget boundaries

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I was thinking university of Manitoba, Calgary, or memorial

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Oh okay

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You can apply for financial aid at Waterloo if you want

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Otherwise Manitoba and Calgary are great as well

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Also look into Alberta maybe

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I've been thinking about getting financial aid but as I said I don't have excellent grades so not sure if I would be able to get it. Alberta is also expensive tbh

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Oh

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Aight

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How about McMaster?

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You can get bursaries

faint pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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What type of experience do they expect for programming?

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Also Which canadian universities give good scholarships to international students other than UBC and Utoronto?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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It's usually there on the website

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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faint pulsar What type of experience do they expect for programming?

This

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That info there on the website

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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faint pulsar Also Which canadian universities give good scholarships to international student...

Ottawa

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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faint pulsar What type of experience do they expect for programming?

I asked many people that question, But usually the answer is no experience needed. As long its really what you are passionate abt with basic info in computers and softwares.

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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cedar hollow I asked many people that question, But usually the answer is no experience neede...

That's strange cause Waterloo requires it

faint pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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cedar hollow Ottawa

Ahh any others?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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All do give scholership

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Toronto and UBC are actually harder ones to get scholership

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Imo

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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cedar hollow That's strange cause Waterloo requires it

I mean what kind of university would ask you to have experience of something that you wanted to learn from the first place.

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Makes no sense tbh

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Hold on

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@cedar hollow

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Thats odd ngl, I barely see such requirements in many other unis

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But if it is a really competitive uni then I guess its understandable, Looking for the really bright ones.

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I mean

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It's like taking bio in 12yh grade before going for biomedical sciences in uni

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You have to take cs courses/IT courses in 12 th before going for comp sci

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It's like requiring physics in 12th before going into astrophysics for uni

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That makes sense but they are asking for experience and to be exact "strong performance", which you honestly don't expect from anyone wishing to study in such course.

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If it is normal to ask for this experience you would see it as a common requirement but I rarely something like that.

faint pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 3:28 PM

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cedar hollow

WIll A level IT count?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 3:34 PM

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faint pulsar WIll A level IT count?

Yeah ig

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Does it have programming?

faint pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Yeah javascript

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Yeah then ig yes

faint pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Ah okay

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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is IT considered as a legit accepted subject in Canada? In most of Europe countries they do not really recognise it.

faint pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Wht they dont accept it?

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ik they dont accept it in the UK

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:24 PM

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nah if its offered by Cambridge international then it is accepted

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:24 PM

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cedar hollow You have to take cs courses/IT courses in 12 th before going for comp sci

Not really no

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Maybe in canada its diff

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But this requirement is super odd

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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well I just sent an ss above

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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mellow venture But this requirement is super odd

why?

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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They usually ask for high maths requirements

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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yes that is there + previous experience

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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And then general grades

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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but it should be a pre-req course right

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Nope

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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like some kind of prgramming

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but

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Most unis dont ask for it

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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i see

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ok

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Ive seen a bunch of comp sci courses

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Even waterloo didnt ask for comp sci

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As a pre requisite

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Side note: fuck waterloo

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:26 PM

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im not saying comp sci as a pre-req

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im saying some kind of programming experience

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you cant have comp sci as a pre requisite

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:27 PM

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mellow venture Side note: fuck waterloo

why do you say that

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:27 PM

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cedar hollow why do you say that

The fees for international students

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:27 PM

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lol

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:27 PM

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cedar hollow

It says strong performance in a course

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:27 PM

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that doesnt mean the uni is bad

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Ik it isnt bad

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I never said that

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Jus fuck waterloo

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:28 PM

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lol aight

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@mellow venture

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Yeah nah thats really weird

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:29 PM

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if you didnt take any programming courses (IT, etc) what would you write here

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:29 PM

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mellow venture Yeah nah thats really weird

well then they would reject you

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lul

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:29 PM

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“I have no experience lmao 🖕🏼”

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Theyre supposed to teach this stuff

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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ok but look at it this way

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Unless its more specialized like data science

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Cuz data structures and algorithms

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Is uni level stuff

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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yeah so they directly teach you that uni level

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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But its a part of a2 computer science

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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they expect people they expect have some knowledge of coding

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:31 PM

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So wtf sorta experience u getting for 4 months?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:31 PM

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what?

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4 months?

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Imo u shouldnt need experience in coding

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To get into comp sci

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Because of the fact that its mostly maths and physics driven

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:31 PM

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well

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yes thats an opinion

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I mean i checked waterloo

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And they said experience is only complementary

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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imo its a good pre-req to have cause it allows all students to be on a common ground/level when in first year

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Not a base requirement

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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mellow venture And they said experience is only complementary

i just an ss...

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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cedar hollow imo its a good pre-req to have cause it allows all students to be on a common gr...

Oh yea for sure

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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it says "required"

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Wait software engineering

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Or comp sci?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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what were you talking about

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comp sci?

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Comp sci

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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bruh

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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luluDepressed

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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lmao aight then

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Rip now it makes sense

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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ye

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Software engineering is specialized

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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yep

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Sorry luluDepressed

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Got carried away

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:34 PM

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hehehe no no i should have been more clear as well as to what i was talking about

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i misunderstood as well

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kekw

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Its alr

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luluDepressed

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:37 PM

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mellow venture Rip now it makes sense

yee

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ur right about comp sci

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no coding experience required

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just maths and english basically

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like you said

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Phew

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I prefer comp sci so thats what i checked

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HVChinanervous

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 4:38 PM

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pog

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are you gonna apply to other canadian unis?

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Honestly I can't see what is the major difference between the two courses.

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research

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there is a difference

cedar hollow Apr 7, 2021, 5:37 PM

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There is a difference but not a major one.
That is why you can work as a software engineer but with a CS degree.

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I guess cs is more generalised. Software eng is only software oriented.

mellow venture Apr 7, 2021, 7:00 PM

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cedar hollow Honestly I can't see what is the major difference between the two courses.

There is a difference

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CS is like way more about fundamentals

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Delving into how things work

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Algorithms

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Data structures

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Why and how to make things efficient

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Software engineering is more based around building software

cedar hollow Apr 8, 2021, 1:49 AM

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^

faint pulsar Apr 8, 2021, 2:06 AM

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Waterloo is expensive but they have coop so you can pay like 50% of your tuition with co op earnings lol

cedar hollow Apr 8, 2021, 2:27 AM

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^^^^

cedar hollow Apr 8, 2021, 2:28 AM

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faint pulsar Waterloo is expensive but they have coop so you can pay like 50% of your tuition...

That is if you get a job lulul

faint pulsar Apr 8, 2021, 2:54 AM

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lol true

tiny lagoon Apr 8, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Agh why are unis so expensive? Who is funding for education so less ? We are trying to get a stable future ;-;

cedar hollow Apr 8, 2021, 2:41 PM

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tiny lagoon Agh why are unis so expensive? Who is funding for education so less ? We are try...

Most of the funding goes into research

faint pulsar Apr 8, 2021, 2:45 PM

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If you dont want expensive uni just go to europe lol

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its pretty affordable there

hidden forum Apr 8, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Yeah true

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Universities in Europe are a fraction of the ones in Canada

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Look at Germany, Norway, Poland, etc

tiny lagoon Apr 8, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Medicine is expensive everywhere bro

faint pulsar Apr 8, 2021, 3:34 PM

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hidden forum Look at Germany, Norway, Poland, etc

Netherlands is better coz they teach in english

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In the countries which you mentioned they only teach in the local language

hidden forum Apr 8, 2021, 3:38 PM

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faint pulsar In the countries which you mentioned they only teach in the local language

Yes, yes ofc

dark vigil Apr 8, 2021, 4:57 PM

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tiny lagoon Medicine is expensive everywhere bro

Not in India lol. But that’s only if u get good marks in NEET

cedar hollow Apr 8, 2021, 4:57 PM

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otherwise donation whenmonke

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hehehehehe

craggy horizon Apr 8, 2021, 5:04 PM

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tiny lagoon Medicine is expensive everywhere bro

not everywhere, certain countries in Europe are really cheap

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Italy, Georgia, ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria are some

bright vault Apr 9, 2021, 7:35 AM

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hi

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university asks for my AS result + Trial test for application

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i score 3A* and A for AS

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but i completely messed up trial exam for A2

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does it affect my conditional offer?

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does trial exam grades matter a lot?

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 7:37 AM

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It could potentially

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How much did you get if I may ask

bright vault Apr 9, 2021, 7:38 AM

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average like 60

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every subjects

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 8:25 AM

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Oh hmm

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It may affect your chances of getting the conditional offer in the first place yeah

cerulean pivot Apr 9, 2021, 10:14 AM

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Hello everyone

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My As level grades were 3A and my A2 level predicted grades are 2A* 1A or 3A*

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Please suggest unis that offer aid for CS,IT or engineering

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Mainly in Canada or the USA

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TIA

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 10:28 AM

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cerulean pivot Please suggest unis that offer aid for CS,IT or engineering

Waterloo

cerulean pivot Apr 9, 2021, 10:28 AM

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How much aid am i likely to get?

cerulean pivot Apr 9, 2021, 10:29 AM

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cedar hollow Waterloo

Dont they require past coding or programming knowledge?

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 10:29 AM

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only for Software engineering

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 10:29 AM

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cerulean pivot How much aid am i likely to get?

no idea

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you would have to apply

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base is 3000 so that you would get for sure

cerulean pivot Apr 9, 2021, 10:31 AM

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cedar hollow base is 3000 so that you would get for sure

Sorry?

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 10:31 AM

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3000 dollar entrance scholarship

cerulean pivot Apr 9, 2021, 10:32 AM

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oh ok

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thanks

cerulean pivot Apr 9, 2021, 10:33 AM

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cedar hollow only for Software engineering

oh kay cool

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@cedar hollow can i dm you?

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 10:40 AM

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cerulean pivot <@456226577798135808> can i dm you?

yes

cedar hollow Apr 9, 2021, 4:49 PM

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pog

cedar hollow Apr 10, 2021, 3:39 AM

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I really want to get into NYU or any other good, but somewhat less costly uni, and this is my As and A level combo: Business, Economics, GPR, English, Art

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Is there a chance I can get in? Also, which course/s would be best?

cedar hollow Apr 10, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Yes it depends on what course you want to di

cedar hollow Apr 10, 2021, 3:56 AM

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cedar hollow Is there a chance I can get in? Also, which course/s would be best?

What do you wish to do ?

cedar hollow Apr 10, 2021, 4:52 AM

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I want to do something around business and the economy

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but also maintain Art as my primary hobby, while excelling in the same

cedar hollow Apr 10, 2021, 6:49 AM

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idk your grades so I couldn't say if you would get in

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you can minor in art perhaps

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others have a double degree as well

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arts + business is quite a common combination

cedar hollow Apr 10, 2021, 4:31 PM

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oh ok..

magic drum Apr 14, 2021, 11:58 AM

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Hey guysss

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Any Cambridge/Oxford aspirants here?

strange forum Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 PM

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magic drum Hey guysss

Yep i am

magic drum Apr 14, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Hey!

burnt fox Apr 14, 2021, 3:47 PM

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yea i am as well :)

vital heath Apr 14, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Does anybody know any good music universities or conservatories at united states?

lofty idol Apr 15, 2021, 1:14 AM

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magic drum Any Cambridge/Oxford aspirants here?

Yes hi hollow

fast thicket Apr 15, 2021, 5:44 PM

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vital heath Does anybody know any good music universities or conservatories at united states...

Good? Probably quite a number esp city schools

Famous? Julliard and berklee :laughing:

cedar hollow Apr 15, 2021, 7:21 PM

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does anyone have any good advice about tu delft?

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for cs/software eng

twilit mulch Apr 16, 2021, 10:51 AM

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@cedar hollow My brother went there last year, for that exact course and move to manchester this year, the workload is huge, you have to study everyday until at least 1am. It's only really fun if you have good friends there, if you really enjoy the course + The Netherlands is beautiful

worldly remnant Apr 16, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Is anyone applying to SCAD, Pratt, Digipen or RISD?

burnt fox Apr 16, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Is anyone applying for Imperial but is a UK resident who resides outside the UK?

tranquil summit Apr 16, 2021, 6:49 PM

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...how is that a UK resident... if you dont reside in the UK

burnt fox Apr 16, 2021, 7:08 PM

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wait i meant citizenship

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cause i can get uk home fees while living aboard, but imperial is a type of uni where they have certain criteria for home fees.

tranquil summit Apr 16, 2021, 7:18 PM

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For all UK unis you have to have 2 years I think of residence directly before you apply to be eligible for home fees

modern frost Apr 16, 2021, 7:28 PM

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@tranquil summit are the 2 years considered during your first 2 years of study?

tranquil summit Apr 16, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Nop

burnt fox Apr 16, 2021, 7:32 PM

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no it's cause we still technically live in the uk - my situation is weird tbh

tranquil summit Apr 16, 2021, 7:37 PM

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If you're paying tax and stuff then you will be eligible

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And you have a residential address

burnt fox Apr 16, 2021, 7:47 PM

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yea we have a place in the uk and still pay tax

tranquil summit Apr 16, 2021, 8:04 PM

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so you should get home fees

burnt fox Apr 17, 2021, 12:36 AM

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yea ik but Imperial have given issues to people who don’t physically live in the UK, which is why i asked haha

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 2:07 AM

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burnt fox yea ik but Imperial have given issues to people who don’t physically live in the...

It's not based on imperials knowledge all unis refer to this site called the ukisca or something and they have a few conditions to be met to be a UK student

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I'm and Indian with a UK passport and they have considered me as a home student

burnt fox Apr 17, 2021, 4:17 AM

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ight thanks a lot Mushu and venom :)

tranquil summit Apr 17, 2021, 10:03 AM

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No worries

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Guys What are the average deadlines for applying into medical unis in UK?

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:47 AM

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tiny lagoon Guys What are the average deadlines for applying into medical unis in UK?

If ur applying for 2022 intake then it would be this year Oct 15th

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@tiny lagoon For medical and veterinary courses or if ur applying to Oxford or Cambridge the deadline in Oct 15th but if ur apyong for any other course or uni the deadline is Jan 15th

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:50 AM

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ppl who r going to be finished with a levels this mj session are considered for 2021 intake right?

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:50 AM

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tiny lagoon ppl who r going to be finished with a levels this mj session are considered for ...

yeah

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:50 AM

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i see, so for them deadline is already over i suppose

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:51 AM

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yup

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:51 AM

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and do the session start in october?

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

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tiny lagoon ppl who r going to be finished with a levels this mj session are considered for ...

Well u can apply for 2022 s intake

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

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tiny lagoon and do the session start in october?

Yeah

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

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But then I would be having a gap year

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

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It depends actually some unis start at Jan some at Sept some in oct

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

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oh

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:53 AM

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tiny lagoon But then I would be having a gap year

Yeah something like that ig but idk I've heard some medical unis start in jan

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I suggest u go and look at uni websites to see

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:53 AM

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tiny lagoon But then I would be having a gap year

And the thing is that, Im almost free after a month cuz our school is going for predicted

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:53 AM

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But as of apyong u missed the deadline for this year unfortunately

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:54 AM

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cedar hollow But as of apyong u missed the deadline for this year unfortunately

I will be applying to other unis but as a backup i wanted to apply and see the deadlines in uk

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:56 AM

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you can still apply to the UK i think. https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/student-advice/applying-to-uni/what-to-do-if-you-miss-ucas-deadline

What to do if you miss the UCAS deadline

Missing the UCAS application deadline isn’t the end of the world and you still have plenty of options. Find out what happens and what you can do if you apply to uni after the deadline.

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:56 AM

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tiny lagoon I will be applying to other unis but as a backup i wanted to apply and see the ...

Ig u can apply thru a private agency

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:56 AM

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cedar hollow you can still apply to the UK i think. https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co...

i see, ill go through it

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:56 AM

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cedar hollow you can still apply to the UK i think. https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co...

Oh and this maybe works too idk but usually the deadline is Oct 15

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Ur also required for an entrance test i suppose?

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:57 AM

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yeah but they accept late applications too until june 30th

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:57 AM

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cedar hollow yeah but they accept late applications too until june 30th

oh

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:58 AM

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tiny lagoon Ur also required for an entrance test i suppose?

depends on the university ig

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 11:58 AM

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tiny lagoon Ur also required for an entrance test i suppose?

Yes definitely for Cambridge and Oxford

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I heard imperial takes entrance tests

tiny lagoon Apr 17, 2021, 11:59 AM

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i see

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ty guys for providing the info

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(:

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ill look further into it

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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cedar hollow depends on the university ig

U applied to the UK?

cedar hollow Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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cedar hollow U applied to the UK?

no

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i was planning to

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but then didnt

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Oh

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Hey is anyone applying to or have applied to any uni in Switzerland?

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:13 AM

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cedar hollow Hey is anyone applying to or have applied to any uni in Switzerland?

I almost did but for masters

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Wassup?

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:26 AM

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slow violet I almost did but for masters

Oh okay which uni

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And y didn't u go? If u don't mind me asking

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:28 AM

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cedar hollow Oh okay which uni

UNIGE and ETH

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:28 AM

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cedar hollow And y didn't u go? If u don't mind me asking

It was expensive af to live there

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:28 AM

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slow violet UNIGE and ETH

Could u type in the full form if possible 😂

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:29 AM

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cedar hollow Could u type in the full form if possible 😂

University of Geneva and ETH, Zurich

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Did u have to write an examination for German proficiency

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?

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:29 AM

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slow violet University of Geneva and ETH, Zurich

Oh ok

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:29 AM

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No because they were international masters

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But for bachelors I heard you had to have a german/french lang qual

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pass their entrance

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German/French cuz different parts of Switzreland has different lang majorities

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Yeah I'm trying to apply to this international business degree so I don't really need to write German but I wanted to know more abt how to apply to this particular uni

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I'm applying to Lucerne University of applied sciences

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:31 AM

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O okay

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Just find the dept page

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Email them

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You'll be gut

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:31 AM

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If anyone else is applying there pls dm

cedar hollow Apr 24, 2021, 5:31 AM

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slow violet You'll be gut

Thanks mate

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Appreciate the help

slow violet Apr 24, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Anytime man

silent geyser Apr 24, 2021, 11:36 AM

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not a university question more towards just post high school, anyone here studying in Singapore for post secondary education (both poly and/or jc) has any information on application, eligibility, requirements, etc. ?

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ill be taking IGs in the upcoming may/june timeframe

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ive managed to find plenty of info for poly entry but jcs seem to be lacking in that sector so any singapore jc info would be much appreciated

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my DMs are open so do drop me a msg if u happen to have any info, much thanks in advance !!

lofty idol Apr 24, 2021, 2:22 PM

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silent geyser not a university question more towards just post high school, anyone here studyi...

What’s poly entry?

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I’ll be studying in Singapore this fall

silent geyser Apr 24, 2021, 2:23 PM

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all schools ive seen are 5 Cs for ig

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singapore poly is average B for IG

fast thicket Apr 25, 2021, 12:19 AM

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polytechnic

vague atlas Apr 25, 2021, 3:44 PM

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is it possible to skip the first year at university by doing the 1st and 2nd year course together

cedar hollow Apr 25, 2021, 4:25 PM

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idts

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it would be very stressful and hectic

vague atlas Apr 25, 2021, 4:26 PM

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is it allowed

cedar hollow Apr 25, 2021, 4:27 PM

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depends from uni to uni

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not sure if its allowed

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you can try emailing them

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which Uni are you talking about

vague atlas Apr 25, 2021, 4:28 PM

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what about yours at mcgill

faint pulsar Apr 25, 2021, 4:29 PM

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vague atlas is it possible to skip the first year at university by doing the 1st and 2nd yea...

You might get A level credit so it could be possible

vague atlas Apr 25, 2021, 4:30 PM

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oh

cedar hollow Apr 25, 2021, 4:31 PM

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vague atlas what about yours at mcgill

yeah

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thats what they did for me

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my degree is usually 4 years but because of my A levels, they allowed me to do it in 3 years

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like basically I enter second year

vague atlas Apr 25, 2021, 4:31 PM

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that is good to hear

cedar hollow Apr 25, 2021, 4:32 PM

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ye

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 2:25 AM

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cedar hollow thats what they did for me

Oh is that possible for engineering as well?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 3:20 AM

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I think you have to still do one semester of pre-req courses

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 3:21 AM

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faint pulsar Oh is that possible for engineering as well?

But this is McGill specific I'm talking about

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You would have to email other unis to know more

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But I woild suppose it's the same

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:33 AM

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cedar hollow But this is McGill specific I'm talking about

Im talking about mcgill only for engineering

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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faint pulsar Im talking about mcgill only for engineering

see mcgill has a different system sorta

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like there are 4 years called:

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U0, U1, U2, and U3

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Oh okay

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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so U0 is like a freshman pre-req year

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Ah

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so with sufficient Alevels you can skip it?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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and at the end of U0, you declare your major going into U1

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Oh okay

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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in u0 you do faculty pre-req

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Ah

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So it depends on the faculty?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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faint pulsar so with sufficient Alevels you can skip it?

yeah so for faculty of engineering they are a bit less lenient giving credits from A levels

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yeah it depends

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Ah

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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from faculty to faculty

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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What faculty are you in?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Science

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Ah okay

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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so my friend is gonna do bioengineering

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and he has to take 1 semester of U0

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despite doing A levels

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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So can you take a heavier courseload?

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and skip that year

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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no

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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cedar hollow so my friend is gonna do bioengineering

What A levels did he take?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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see to complete your degree you have to complete a suffienct amount of credits

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Yeah

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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so A levels/IB give you some of those credits

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Yeah

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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so you complete is a less amt of time

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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faint pulsar What A levels did he take?

he had

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geo math phy chem

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Ah

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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so not bio

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:38 AM

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In the website

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it says max 26 credits

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so if I do math physics chem further math can I get all those 26 credits?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:38 AM

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umm

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you would have to email the faculty

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i cant say exactly

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Oh okay

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Yeah

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:38 AM

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but if you go into science then yeah

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you would get 30 credits

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for science there's a total of 120 credits to complete for your degree

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Ah okay

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so for CS?

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can I get 30 credits?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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CS falls in faculty of science so yeah

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ig so yes

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Ah oka

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*okay

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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have you taken CS in AS and A?

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Nope but IT

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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ah ok

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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it has some programming

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:40 AM

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kk

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many do CS + Stats

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:41 AM

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Ah how abt CS + math ?

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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yeah that also works

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Ah okay

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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a minor in math ye

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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what are the admission requirements? I didnt take bio in IG thats why

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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if you are going into CS then you dont need bio

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Ah okay

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thanks for the info!

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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math is the only real pre-req

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np

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get an A* in math for sure

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fmaths too

faint pulsar Apr 26, 2021, 4:44 AM

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Yeah

cedar hollow Apr 26, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Heyis anyone applying for UK unis specifically for accounting and finance or business or economics

quick zealot Apr 27, 2021, 1:47 PM

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hi looking to apply to unis in december, but quite stuck on a couple of courses. wanted to know more about this from people who might have done or are currently doing these courses. They revolve around Economics at LSE and UCL.

cedar hollow Apr 27, 2021, 1:58 PM

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quick zealot hi looking to apply to unis in december, but quite stuck on a couple of courses....

Hey wanna dm?

quick zealot Apr 27, 2021, 1:59 PM

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hey. yes!

quick zealot Apr 27, 2021, 2:43 PM

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quick zealot hi looking to apply to unis in december, but quite stuck on a couple of courses....

anybody can help me out please?

short falcon Apr 27, 2021, 3:09 PM

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is anyone familiar with university of Warwick, Bath and Birmingham?

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UK

tranquil summit Apr 27, 2021, 3:10 PM

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I mean I applied to Birmingham

cedar hollow Apr 27, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Bath is a lit city

tawdry arch Apr 27, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Yall think I got a chance for UCL in london

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I got my igcses in like 7 days

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Or less

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And i havent started

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Anything

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😂😂😂😂😂😂

ashen brook Apr 27, 2021, 5:19 PM

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short falcon is anyone familiar with university of Warwick, Bath and Birmingham?

i applied to warwick and took a campus tour pre covid

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so perhaps i could be of help

cedar hollow Apr 28, 2021, 1:24 AM

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tawdry arch And i havent started

then start lol

cedar hollow Apr 28, 2021, 1:41 AM

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short falcon is anyone familiar with university of Warwick, Bath and Birmingham?

Yeah

cedar hollow Apr 28, 2021, 1:45 AM

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tawdry arch Yall think I got a chance for UCL in london

Oh definitely no then

cedar hollow Apr 29, 2021, 6:17 AM

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for those of y'all in undergrad or have graduated, how did your note taking strategies change from highschool to uni?

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or did you use the same style of taking notes

slow violet Apr 29, 2021, 7:27 AM

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YESS SOOO

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I never took notes in school during class but I often took them later while revising and so on

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And they had no set structure but were based off the marking scheme very much and the textbook

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But in uni I started making notes during the lecture, this was motivated by the fact that courses don't follow a set book but rather flow off the whims of the lecturer

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I used the Cornell method

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Subheadings in the right hand side and points/ideas in the RHS

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I would scribble down like 5 questions post lecture as well

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Then I'd go home, review the notes + answer the questions

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If there were any derivations/questions that we solved in class I'd go over them as well

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So this is one chunk in my head since it corresponds to one lecture

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I'd repeat this chunk the following weekend, the 2 weeks later and so on

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So that it sticks

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Then yk finals prep becomes ez

cedar hollow Apr 29, 2021, 8:44 AM

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ohhh lit advice

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Thanks pugs

sweet ridge May 2, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Does anyone know about howard university

cedar hollow May 2, 2021, 5:10 PM

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yes

sweet ridge May 2, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Please what do you know about it

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are you going there?

cedar hollow May 3, 2021, 1:13 AM

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No I'm not

tardy moss May 4, 2021, 8:17 PM

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heyo

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anyone thinking of aerospace engineering?

somber hazel May 6, 2021, 7:12 AM

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me

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i am

cedar hollow May 6, 2021, 8:18 PM

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So you just practice a lot ?

mint heron May 7, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Yo weird question but does anyone know the AS level requirements for canda in medicine???

craggy horizon May 7, 2021, 5:20 PM

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the universal requirement for medicine is usually chem, bio and either math or physics. Not sure if Canada has special requirements though

somber oracle May 7, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Can someone tell is it really true that you need three A grade A level to apply on universities in England?

mellow venture May 7, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Yes for most

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But it can vary

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UK is quite competitive

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U should look around tho

somber oracle May 7, 2021, 9:22 PM

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I thought it was only for medicine

mellow venture May 7, 2021, 9:22 PM

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It can differ

somber oracle May 7, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Thank you

mellow venture May 7, 2021, 9:23 PM

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See

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It can differ

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Not every uni has a strict guideline

tranquil summit May 7, 2021, 9:29 PM

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You can get into unis for CCC even

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Just won't be a good uni

twilit mulch May 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Or you get an unconditional offer

tranquil summit May 8, 2021, 8:12 AM

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They don't really do unconditional for intls

twilit mulch May 8, 2021, 8:43 AM

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My brother got an unconditional from Manchester

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But yeah, not really

tranquil summit May 8, 2021, 8:53 AM

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EU student-

cedar hollow May 8, 2021, 9:31 AM

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They usually only give unconditional offers if u ve written ur a levls or equivalent exams

strong mesa May 8, 2021, 10:55 AM

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@mellow venture

mellow venture May 8, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Uh yes?

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@strong mesa

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Wha

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Wdym

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I paid like after

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Also talk on chat

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In school we were asked to pay after pre mocks

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And got statement of entries during mocks

strong mesa May 8, 2021, 10:58 AM

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u started taking gcse before 3 months of the starting of the exams

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right?

mellow venture May 8, 2021, 10:58 AM

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Uh no

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I was studying it like for a course of 2 years?

strong mesa May 8, 2021, 10:59 AM

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ohh

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okay

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thanks

mellow venture May 8, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Nw

daring parrot May 10, 2021, 2:46 PM

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tardy moss anyone thinking of aerospace engineering?

MEEE

daring parrot May 10, 2021, 2:46 PM

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tardy moss anyone thinking of aerospace engineering?

ME

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im planning to finish my ig's then go for a levels. then take a general engineering before going for aerospace engineering

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but like whats the diff with aeronautical and aerospace lol isnt it the same?

sullen current May 11, 2021, 12:48 AM

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has anyone applied for german universities using their A levels ?

sullen current May 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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sad

fair trail May 15, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Hey can someone plz advice me which university should I go for? Georgia Institute of Technology or University of Edinburgh/Manchester for the major, Electrical Engineering?

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N is there any spring term for university of Edinburgh/Manchester?

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And is there a possibility that university of Edinburgh will admit me on behalf/basis of my Mathematics and Further Mathematics exams bcz I wasn’t able to appear for my Physics and Chemistry exams so I would probably have to appear for them later (October/November)

mellow venture May 15, 2021, 5:19 PM

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U can give ur predicted iirc

cedar hollow May 15, 2021, 5:23 PM

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^

north solstice May 15, 2021, 5:54 PM

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fair trail Hey can someone plz advice me which university should I go for? Georgia Institut...

ayyy a fellow GT admit

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GT would be better for EE imo

fair trail May 15, 2021, 5:59 PM

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north solstice GT would be better for EE imo

Oh you are going to GT too!? That’s great

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I probably be joining GT from the Spring term tho bcz I wasn’t able to appear for some exams in May/June

north solstice May 16, 2021, 5:55 AM

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idk if im going yet, im choosing between that and another uni

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hopefully ill see you there though!

gilded flume May 20, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Is anyone here from Sri Lanka?

vague wagon May 23, 2021, 10:42 AM

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i want to apply to a college in the US

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whats the first step

cedar hollow May 23, 2021, 10:45 AM

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vague wagon whats the first step

Research a bit

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Just type this into Google and you will get your ans

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But first step is knowing which program you want to apply to

tiny lagoon May 23, 2021, 1:13 PM

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ripilicious being the google machine

wheat fulcrum May 23, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Who’s applying for med school ?

cedar hollow May 23, 2021, 4:40 PM

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me

lofty idol May 24, 2021, 6:09 AM

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@obtuse oxide

quick zealot May 24, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Guys can I get some exam sitting advise? im a private canddiate, supposed to take my AS this summer, but it got cancelled because of COVID in London, and i'm expected to take it in Oct/Nov, in case a similar situation occurs, what's the best way for me to get predicted grades?

inland swan May 24, 2021, 2:03 PM

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vague wagon i want to apply to a college in the US

i believe you gotta sit for SAT

rugged wadi May 24, 2021, 9:32 PM

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what kind of university should i go to if i want to do business or managment

twilit mulch May 24, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Depends on which country you want to go to and what grades you get

cedar hollow May 25, 2021, 12:00 PM

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hey @tranquil summit i had a quick question for you since you are in uni rn, how did you send your A level final transcripts to your university?

feral scaffold May 25, 2021, 12:18 PM

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@cedar hollow sorry for ping, but which uni will you be applying in??

cedar hollow May 25, 2021, 12:21 PM

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I'm going to McGill University

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I need to send them my results tho cause it was a condition offer @feral scaffold

feral scaffold May 25, 2021, 12:22 PM

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So you got what they needed

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But it's rare to see unconditional offer right??

ashen brook May 25, 2021, 12:25 PM

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feral scaffold But it's rare to see unconditional offer right??

especially for international students yes

feral scaffold May 25, 2021, 12:27 PM

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Btw is oxford good enough for nuclear physics??

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Or MIT is still best

tranquil summit May 25, 2021, 1:38 PM

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cedar hollow hey <@!559390980772462614> i had a quick question for you since you are in uni r...

I applied only to the UK and UCAS had access to my grades and unis automatically had them :/
But you can maybe get your school principal to print and sign/ stamp the grades as proof? I used that for my visa application

cedar hollow May 25, 2021, 1:48 PM

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alrighty thanks

cedar hollow May 25, 2021, 4:08 PM

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hlo again does anyone use ipad's for university note taking here? If so do you guys recommend it?

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I am interested in buying one

tiny lagoon May 25, 2021, 5:37 PM

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(Only tiktokers)

cedar hollow May 25, 2021, 6:03 PM

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lmao facts

ashen brook May 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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tiny lagoon (Only tiktokers)

no a lot of real people use ipads here in the UK and US

tiny lagoon May 25, 2021, 6:53 PM

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tiktokers are also real peop-

craggy horizon May 25, 2021, 7:10 PM

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cedar hollow hlo again does anyone use ipad's for university note taking here? If so do you g...

I’m still in school but yeah I use it a lot especially for bio and chem notes, really helpful and much much more efficient to have all your notes stored in one place

cedar hollow May 25, 2021, 7:17 PM

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I also might get one when I go to uni tbh but not too sure

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Btw gl for uni ripilicious

nimble lotus May 25, 2021, 10:18 PM

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anyone here planning to go to canada for uni?

cedar hollow May 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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craggy horizon I’m still in school but yeah I use it a lot especially for bio and chem notes, r...

K thanks

cedar hollow May 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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nimble lotus anyone here planning to go to canada for uni?

Yessir

nimble lotus May 27, 2021, 12:20 AM

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any good unis that you've found or applied to

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 1:55 AM

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nimble lotus any good unis that you've found or applied to

Depends on your definition of good lul

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I applied to uoft, UBC, McGill, McMaster, Waterloo, western, and Ottawa

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And I choose McGill

feral scaffold May 27, 2021, 2:03 AM

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@cedar hollow you did SAT?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 2:12 AM

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feral scaffold <@456226577798135808> you did SAT?

Yes but it I didn't submit it anywhere KEK

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A waste of money

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Cause for the Fall 2021 application cycle it was not necessary to submit the SAT

feral scaffold May 27, 2021, 3:57 AM

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but were you admitted without the SAT? in waterloo and UBC

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@cedar hollow

feral scaffold May 27, 2021, 3:58 AM

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cedar hollow Cause for the Fall 2021 application cycle it was not necessary to submit the SAT

same this year lucky we

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 4:00 AM

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feral scaffold but were you admitted without the SAT? in waterloo and UBC

yeah

feral scaffold May 27, 2021, 4:00 AM

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oh so you chose england

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 4:09 AM

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what?

feral scaffold May 27, 2021, 4:10 AM

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ah autocorrect

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i meant you chose english of toefl?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 4:16 AM

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i did AS english yea

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not toefl

feral scaffold May 27, 2021, 4:37 AM

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oh they accepted that

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 4:57 AM

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yea

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Do you know which universities have scholarships for intl students other than UBC and Uoft?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:12 AM

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faint pulsar Do you know which universities have scholarships for intl students other than UB...

McGill has one but it's very difficult to get

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Waterloo has one as well

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I know a intl guy who got a 180k scholarship from UBC

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Madness

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How much does u of t normally offer in terms of monetary value of scholarships?

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95+ averages get you the 3k entrance scholarship

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Rest all you have to apply to

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30,000-50,000 I think usually

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If you do end up getting one

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:15 AM

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cedar hollow 95+ averages get you the 3k entrance scholarship

Rip me I'm not even close to a 90 let alone a 95 😢

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:15 AM

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cedar hollow 30,000-50,000 I think usually

Oh okay nice

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Lul same I didn't get one either

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Rip

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Hopefully you've got some other scholarships tho

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Yeah I got 7K one from McGill yeeees

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:28 AM

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cedar hollow I know a intl guy who got a 180k scholarship from UBC

Huhhh

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Do you know which one?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:33 AM

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faint pulsar Huhhh

hold on lemme see if I can find which one

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UBC's International Entrance Scholarship

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:35 AM

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Ah okay

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:35 AM

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BCOMM entrance scholarship

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:35 AM

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Ohh okay

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so not the international scholars one right?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Outstanding International Students Award

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mans won 3 scholarships KEK

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Damn he got all of those?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:36 AM

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total 180K

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yessir

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Dang

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those are possible ig coz its entrance

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they have this international scholars one as well

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where you have to send a extra application or something

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:37 AM

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yeah

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if you guys are interested in his EC's

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faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:37 AM

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Yeah I am lol

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:37 AM

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among others ofc

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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Ah okay so he mentioned these mainly

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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this and others yeah

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but UN man

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jesus

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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Does UBC require you to list your ECs or something?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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yes

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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its a un sponsored event lmao

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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in your personal profile

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upto 5

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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faint pulsar its a un sponsored event lmao

still

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:38 AM

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not directly related to the UN right

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would hosting a tedx event count as something good?

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Im hosting one at my school

tranquil summit May 27, 2021, 8:39 AM

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Probably yeah! If you're doing all the managing and liaising

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:39 AM

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faint pulsar not directly related to the UN right

pretty sure that relates to the UN yes, if the UN decided to sponsor it lul

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:39 AM

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faint pulsar would hosting a tedx event count as something good?

yes why not

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:39 AM

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tranquil summit Probably yeah! If you're doing all the managing and liaising

Yeah im organizing it with another person

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:40 AM

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then put how many ppl attended it as well

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:40 AM

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lol yeah

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my ECs suck as of now

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main ones are music tutoring martial arts

tranquil summit May 27, 2021, 8:40 AM

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~~pay people to attend~~

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:40 AM

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its fine to get in you don't need extraordinary EC's

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:40 AM

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cedar hollow its fine to get in you don't need extraordinary EC's

So they care more abt grades?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:41 AM

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well its a mix of both 60% grades, 40% EC's

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and its more than that too

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there's also personal statements

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:41 AM

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Oh okay

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so you can list 5 ECs?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:41 AM

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yes list and a short description

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:41 AM

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can they be like broad or something

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like can I categorize volunteering as one

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:42 AM

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yes

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:42 AM

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and mention the stuff I did

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:42 AM

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you can

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:42 AM

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Ah okay

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So I need two more ECs then lolol

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:42 AM

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nice

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and apply early

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they say it doesn't make a difference but it does

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:42 AM

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When do applications open?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:43 AM

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Oct

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:43 AM

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And what grades do I need to send?

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IG and AS and predicteds right?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:43 AM

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yes

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and they asked for my A level terms as well

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on a school letter-head

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:43 AM

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Oh okay

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so no school grades for 10th and 11th grade?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:43 AM

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nope

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:43 AM

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nice

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 8:44 AM

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just final exam results yeah

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 8:44 AM

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ah okay

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 9:01 AM

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How hard is it to get the international scholars award?

cedar hollow May 27, 2021, 9:32 AM

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well

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its worth 80K so i would imagine it's pretty hard pepeLa

faint pulsar May 27, 2021, 9:53 AM

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Yeah

serene pumice May 29, 2021, 3:54 AM

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Which university/ies are best in karachi and also releifing in matter of Cambridge students

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My college is asking to find it and they will apply for me there

tiny lagoon May 29, 2021, 8:14 AM

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serene pumice Which university/ies are best in karachi and also releifing in matter of Cambrid...

I heard that AKU and DOW are really good for medicine

rare vault May 30, 2021, 12:31 PM

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hello everyone

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which uni is good in canada

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 12:54 PM

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rare vault which uni is good in canada

Uoft, McGill and UBC are ranked top in Canada

loud bay May 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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cedar hollow Uoft, McGill and UBC are ranked top in Canada

Do u know which is the best for surgery 😪

tranquil summit May 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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ripilicious more like zinot canada application agent

loud bay May 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Professional

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😂

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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loud bay Do u know which is the best for surgery 😪

Well

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For medical in Canada you first do undergrad then apply to med school

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But in terms of med school, toronto is the best

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In Canada

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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tranquil summit ripilicious more like zinot canada application agent

pepelaugh

loud bay May 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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cedar hollow But in terms of med school, toronto is the best

well tyyyyy will search in it ✨

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Yus

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I could probably start a paid service ngl pausers pausers pausers

loud bay May 30, 2021, 1:06 PM

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ohhhh

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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cedar hollow Uoft, McGill and UBC are ranked top in Canada

ubc meaning

loud bay May 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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that is greattt

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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rare vault ubc meaning

.

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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rare vault ubc meaning

University of British Columbia

loud bay May 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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https://www.ubc.ca/

The University of British Columbia

The University of British Columbia is a global centre for research and teaching, consistently ranked among the top 20 public universities in the world.

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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okay

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btw i am thinking about computer science

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Then uoft

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:08 PM

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so which is the most affordable out of the major unis

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:08 PM

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cedar hollow Then uoft

uni of toronto right??

loud bay May 30, 2021, 1:08 PM

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yes

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:08 PM

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okay

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but which is the most affordable

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as uni of torronto is 50 k cad

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and that is alit

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alot

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:09 PM

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None are really affordable pepelaugh

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If you want affordable

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Then look at Queen's or Western

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They are sorta have sorta less tuition I think

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Actually UBC is also less than uoft

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but there are bursaries available which are financial based

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McGill is the most expensive cause of Quebec's stupid laws lol

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:11 PM

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see man i am mostly gonna stick to aroudn 16 k cad

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so anything along those lines among the top dogs

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:13 PM

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well

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that's gonna be difficult

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16K per year is not even for domestic students, including housing, food, etc

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International is gonna be bound to be higher

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end to end- most degrees for domestic students is about 90,000-100,000 cad for all 4 years

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international much higher

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At UofT a bachelors of arts and science for this year i think is like 60000 for internationals

ashen brook May 30, 2021, 1:15 PM

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cedar hollow international much higher

expect 200K at the low end

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living+tuition+everything

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:15 PM

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^^^

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:15 PM

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cedar hollow At UofT a bachelors of arts and science for this year i think is like 60000 for ...

yeah but thats not including living, etc

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:15 PM

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ashen brook expect 200K at the low end

right

ashen brook May 30, 2021, 1:15 PM

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and that's if you go full slum lifestyle iirc

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at least back when i did this math before i joined uni

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:16 PM

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ye ye ik it doesnt include living and what not

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yeah

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its unimaginable for int students the costs

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^^^

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might I suggest, doing bachelors in your home country and coming to canada for masters

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True dat

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depending on your home country ofc

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:19 PM

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cedar hollow end to end- most degrees for domestic students is about 90,000-100,000 cad for a...

i am talking per year fee

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also

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why is international fees so high when compared to local fees

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:20 PM

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They wanna make monieeees and raise the GDP and what not of the country

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:20 PM

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rare vault i am talking per year fee

aight then per year 55K-60K

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:20 PM

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wth

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55 k

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are they serious

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:21 PM

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rare vault why is international fees so high when compared to local fees

see ill tell you one reason why

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canadian citizens have paid taxes to the govt every year

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and in turn, the govt uses this money to fund the university

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:21 PM

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lol

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they pay 2000 cad

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and we pay 55

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lol

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very nice

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what about mc master

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:22 PM

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but international students haven't paid any taxes in canada, so they have to pay a lot more for university

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:22 PM

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rare vault they pay 2000 cad

its not 2000

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its 8000

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but still

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its much less that int cause of the reason i said above

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:23 PM

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cedar hollow its 8000

nothing compared to 55 k

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:23 PM

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yessir you are right

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but did you get my explanation?

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that's one of the reasons

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I mean its not only canada that offers education for such high prices tbh

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exactly

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all countries have higher tuition rates for int students

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why?

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cause they haven't paid the taxes in that country

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and so, technically each citizen has paid for the university with their taxes while int students have not

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^^

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Go UK its cheaper tbh

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But its still expensive

tiny lagoon May 30, 2021, 1:25 PM

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55k per annum ☠️

rare vault May 30, 2021, 1:26 PM

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cedar hollow Go UK its cheaper tbh

how much cheeper

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:27 PM

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UK unis are normally in the 30k pounds range

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hold up

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which is still 50K CAD hehe

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USA is even more expensive

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oh i didnt even realise it was 50k cad lmao

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lul

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but yeah its all expensive

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Yus

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Speaking about canada how likely is it to get scholarships over there?

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ik UK doesnt offer any pretty much

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 1:32 PM

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cedar hollow Speaking about canada how likely is it to get scholarships over there?

Mostly ppl get an entrance scholarship of 3-4K

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The major ones are quite difficult to get

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yeah so not lots of money really

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but ig i might have a chance so ill apply anyway

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Very competitive

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Yes for sure applying never hurts ye

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true dat

tranquil summit May 30, 2021, 2:08 PM

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cedar hollow UK unis are normally in the 30k pounds range

Upto 25k for any of the "normal" unis (excluding anything in London and Oxbridge)

glossy ivy May 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Is there any recommendations for university in Australia?

tranquil summit May 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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@golden vapor ^

cedar hollow May 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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tranquil summit Upto 25k for any of the "normal" unis (excluding anything in London and Oxbridge...

Well yeah true

golden vapor May 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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no idea honestly

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i applied to ANU

glossy ivy May 30, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Any other recommendation?

feral scaffold May 30, 2021, 4:15 PM

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a need-blind university in united states can make it

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well, there are 107 of them

elfin junco May 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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glossy ivy Is there any recommendations for university in Australia?

University of Melbourne is good if you want science

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Monash University is better on the more tech and commerce

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Then there's University of Sydney and University of Western Australia

elfin junco May 30, 2021, 4:30 PM

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golden vapor i applied to ANU

Theres this as well

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University of New South Wales is good too but grade requirements are pretty high

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Hello everyone

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I am new here

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I am an igcse student from India

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Currently studying in grade 10

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Anyone from UBC vancouer here? @everyone

quaint island May 31, 2021, 7:11 AM

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Hello everyone, my first time here too!!
I'm also a IGCSE student, based off from India, and am looking forward to doing a cs major

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I was hoping for some advice from alumni as to how I should go about college listing, profile development, etc. as I'm looking at Universities more or less on the west coast in the US

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 8:27 AM

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caltech pog

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 8:28 AM

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quaint island I was hoping for some advice from alumni as to how I should go about college lis...

don't think there's any alumni here

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but for top-teir cs universties in the US, look into hackathons and stuff

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 8:29 AM

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cedar hollow Anyone from UBC vancouer here? @everyone

ik some ppl if you have some questions, you can ask

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 1:17 PM

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cedar hollow ik some ppl if you have some questions, you can ask

Who should i ask

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 1:23 PM

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cedar hollow Who should i ask

me kekw

loud bay May 31, 2021, 1:26 PM

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LMAOOO

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HAHAHA

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 1:31 PM

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lol

quaint island May 31, 2021, 4:35 PM

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caltech doesn't have the best cs program as a pure science

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I mean, my IGCSE average is 92%, and based off GPA alone I thought schools like Carnegie Melon, UCs, Cornell and stanford would be difficult but not entirely impossible

elder panther May 31, 2021, 5:33 PM

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Does IGCSE scores matter for uni

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Even if it does, does it matter more than a levels

loud bay May 31, 2021, 5:41 PM

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no A levels I think way more important than IGCSE

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but IGCSE do help in uni I guess

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ask the proffesional @cedar hollow sir

elder panther May 31, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Oo

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Does a levels help in getting into the university of Cambridge or oxford

loud bay May 31, 2021, 5:47 PM

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no idea wait for ripilicious I think he may help u

cedar hollow May 31, 2021, 5:47 PM

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elder panther Does a levels help in getting into the university of Cambridge or oxford

Will u be doing a levels?

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I believe uk unis prefer A levels more than other qualifications

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However, you MUST meet GCSE requirements

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Otherwise some unis may not accept u even if you have absolutely amazing A level grades

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@elder panther

ashen brook May 31, 2021, 5:59 PM

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elder panther Does IGCSE scores matter for uni

No one at unis cares as long as you have above a C

elder panther May 31, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Ooo cool then

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What is the application process for the university of Cambridge and what competitive exams do u need to appear for to get into it

tranquil summit May 31, 2021, 6:18 PM

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The UCAS deadline for Oxbridge applications is Oct 15

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https://www.admissionstesting.org/for-test-takers/

For test-takers | Cambridge Assessment Admissions Testing ...

Our admissions tests allow you to show your potential to succeed on higher education courses. Find out about our tests here.

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These have the tests for both Cambridge and oxford

elder panther May 31, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Ooo thank you

tranquil summit May 31, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Nws

cedar hollow Jun 1, 2021, 1:20 AM

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igcse's are useless for uni admissions kekw

loud bay Jun 1, 2021, 1:37 AM

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cedar hollow igcse's are useless for uni admissions <:kekw:789715658401251358>

Man 😭😭 pls I have been working so hard for IGCSE and ur telling now these are useless , I am going to kms 😂😂😫

cedar hollow Jun 1, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Loool well like Karthik said just get a C or above

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And ig they are like a stepping stone to A levels

loud bay Jun 1, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Ohhh

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So still they are a bit important

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Lemme give my self hope man 😂😂

cedar hollow Jun 1, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Hehe yes do your best no matter what it is

loud bay Jun 1, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Yessir 😂✨

quaint island Jun 1, 2021, 11:17 AM

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not really

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IGCSE scores do matter for other parts of the world

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especially around other asian and north-american UNIs

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well, for starters, it contributes to a high GPA and demonstrates consistency

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so yes in the UK and some european universities maybe

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but can't say the same for everywhere else

ashen brook Jun 1, 2021, 11:20 AM

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quaint island especially around other asian and north-american UNIs

matters in asian unis defo, but not that much in north american unis at least in my experience

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like ofc you have to do fairly well

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but you dont need to ace your IGs, and acing your IGs alone means nothing compared to good AS/A2 scores and other exams

quaint island Jun 1, 2021, 11:38 AM

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of course!

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standardised test-results and, in my case, ib grade 11 results will matter a whole lot more

cedar hollow Jun 2, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Hello

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I had a query

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Is there any indian who has applied to Canada and got accepted

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If you are a science student especially pls tell me

cedar hollow Jun 2, 2021, 1:54 PM

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perhaps

dark vigil Jun 2, 2021, 2:16 PM

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cedar hollow Is there any indian who has applied to Canada and got accepted

@cedar hollow

quaint island Jun 3, 2021, 7:37 AM

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cedar hollow If you are a science student especially pls tell me

which uni you targetting?

cedar hollow Jun 3, 2021, 7:44 AM

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UBC

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bruh

cedar hollow Jun 3, 2021, 9:22 AM

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cedar hollow bruh

?

quaint island Jun 3, 2021, 9:57 AM

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which aspect of the science program in UBC are you going for

cedar hollow Jun 3, 2021, 10:27 AM

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Most probably anything related to bio @quaint island

cedar hollow Jun 3, 2021, 11:26 AM

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there's a common first year in the faculty of science at ubc so you would have some time to decide your actual program of study

raw belfry Jun 3, 2021, 7:23 PM

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study at UC berkeley

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for any STEM-related programs

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I am from asia but I am still giving gce o levels from cambridge

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not igcse

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lmaoo

tranquil summit Jun 3, 2021, 10:23 PM

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@raw belfry heya could you change your nickname to something with normal characters please?

knotty abyssBOT Jun 3, 2021, 10:24 PM

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ZNOTES - RULES

Rule # 14 : Profile pictures used must be appropriate. Nicknames that are inappropriate or use unusual or unreadable Unicode are prohibited.

cedar hollow Jun 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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raw belfry study at UC berkeley

Bruh you have to get in first lmao

raw belfry Jun 4, 2021, 4:16 AM

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tranquil summit <@742415866922139759> heya could you change your nickname to something with norm...

why is it hard to ping me huh?

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who the heck gave me igcse role

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bruh

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i don't study in igcse