#RAD (1.12.2) Java Garbage Collector Lag issue
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Its 1.12.2 logically , but for its OWN version i gotta check
Il check later today if thats alirght
@tepid shard , its OptiFine_1.12.2_HD_U_G5
should i mention i do have memory leaks even without optifine?
i did downgrade to u_g3 but , as you can see presented by the lag o meter , it didnt fix anything
some info here by the lag o meter
some pie charts if they do end up helping
uh
Remove optifine and any other added mods
Also screen record 30 seconds f3 menu showing
kk
in thius recording i also moved a bit to maybe show how its impacting durring movment
@tepid shard sorry for the late response
And without any added mods how long does it take before a memory leak occurs
actually barely any time
right after all my chunks get loaded (Rd = 12) it starts instantley (also whilst)
not as prominent as when i have the extra mods added
but still noticeable and thats my issue
And this is for every world
Shift f3 screen record next time it occurs
the problem is it ALWAYS occurs tho
and its shared across worlds
ive made over 5 worlds on 3 different launchers , might it possibly be my device
What application are you using to play the modpack
i started on curseforge
thats when i also noticed alot of lats
lags*
switched to prism to no avail
and js rn i tried out gdlauncher and didnt really have any big changes
Well yeah ofc ive tried with jvm arguments , but those didnt really help so i reverted back to the normal one
logically java 8 because versions above 1.16.5 dont support java 8
the game would physically not run if i used java 11 or above
Which
Also by java meant jdk or oracle those two
Curseforge ships with its own java version since mc comes prepackaged with it
Prism and gdl require manual setup from what I recall
o wait thats a good point
i used oracles java so far
i did try using diff java versions to change the garbage collector maybe for better performance
like instead of g1gc i used sheandoah
but i was too stupid to set it up
prism and gdl can auto detect tho
which yes is manual
Unless its a java or spec issue cant think of a cause for a fresg install memory leak
Is this both on rad lite and regular rad
8n
In
ive yet to try lite
If its not occuring in rad lite that would narrow it down to whatever mods are in rad regular
lemme try rad lite now that you mention it
So ive tried rad lite for a few solid 20 mins now
it seems like it happens less frequently , but its still noticeable
Seems like the pack isnt that lighter
Try 1.53 rad
Do recall someone have a possible issue with one of the new mods added cant remeber which
Would have to check changelog its in git hub
Can probably remove some bloat mods
Proly but i didnt get myself a beefy pc for it not bein able to handle ts
surprisingly
ive played even WORSE optimized modpacks with MORE mods on MORE recent shitty optimized minecraft versions
whilst hosting , with essentials :>
and i did infact not notice any lags
Reason: Capital letters
mah bahd
btw @tepid shard , it saysa 6gigs recommended server side , so should 8 gigs internal be fine?
Yeah
starting r.a.d 1.53 rn
in hopes of figuring ou the ACTUAL issue
@tepid shard
tested it out in rad 1.53
still got those small super noticeable lag spikes
they happen frequentley unfortunately
if you can record again do it with pie chart
and bar graph when memory leak is occuring
oop gc then?
done
did
additional args?
mhm did
kk
alrightly
yeah cuz i remember ts aint havin to do w memory leakin
ignoring the actual issue
i was kind of confused abt what doctor mage told me to do / asked me abt even tho those things were alr done
btw
what does "-Xms2G -XX:+UseG1GC -Xmn128M -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:-OmitStackTraceInFastThrow" do
thanks for clarifying tho
HOW dependant
if im running singleplayer internal server w 12 chuncks
which is avrg
i aint got a quantom super computer
i could prolly run 2
20
sooo
16 is high end
well thas device dependnant tho imo
mb
i ment high end
hopefully i do lmao
i know alot abt pcs but
not too much abt minecraft optimization
uh
so uh
lemme js
i thought my dumbass changed the
jvm arguments
id idnt
so i had to
restart
anyway it did load
im joining a world to see if it helped
okay so new reports , its even worse than before
LMAO
my usage is sitting at a nice 42-43%
pc.
currently 4.25 ghz
lag o meter going wild
yeahhhh.. no idea
minimum fps staggers from 2-6
jesus 4080 and a ryzen 9 ofc yours will run better
regardless
how much ram should i have assigned??
yum
well yeah
minecraft IS super cpu dependnant
ryzen 5 5600G is decent tho
up to 4.30 ghz which is fine ig
6 cores
btw
this is how the game runs
and no obs is not lagging
lemme check
noper
i was moving left to right..
obs stutters it a bit but
the recording itself shows how it moves
YEAHHH
shit
WAIT
yeah it has an inbuilt gpu
no
mv
wait
wym disable that?
disable my gpu 1?
why that?
my rtx 3060 , which is ass regardless is the main component used
OHHHHHH
SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Reason: Capital letters
oh my god
that all makes sense now
alright well , how DO i turn off an apu
i could js search it mb
GAW
damn
gotta become an it technician again
yuh yuh i know that much
i got b450
pro vdh max or sm bullshit
old ass atx motherbaord
imma go
disable my
apu
brb
back
aight i disabled my apu
lemme try again
idfk if itbboosted performance alot
but it feels faster
it aint
RAHHH
i actually figured out how to disable iot myself because youtube tutorials didnt help
plus it ws like 3 clicks so it okay
@ember ocean will me disabling the apu
have any other benefits?
HAHA
gotta become a technician and java argument master
to play modded
the thingy in herz?
mines 144 but i mostly disable vsync
probably but
heavy modpakcs never made it below 80
WTIHOUT shaders
with , around 60
surprisingly never experienced tearing
youre never gonna believe this
NOTHINGS actually changed
well that fluctuates.. heavily
from a smooth 180 to a shitty 28
how
...the what now
you
want me to
download the server pack..?
kk
WHAT
minimum fps still sit at 6
anyway imm abrb
dafuq you mean
im not good
may i ask
why does it do that
aint no way
what
WHAT
whats omnistack
WAHH
should i
still
use
fuck
downloafd
the sevrer pack
btw
why am i not using sheandoah?
is it any better than g1gc
o
ur
speaking in
metaphors
is this positive
or negative
are 4.3-4.4 ghz rlly too slow??
i dont fuckin know hoiw to read allat
what does gc usage mean
im so confazzled
what is this graph tryna say
oh.
jesus
fucking
christ
thats
quite alot of garbage collection
n how many ghz u got?
WHAT
WDYM
you locked it to 3 ghz
i was gonna say "hows mine performing worse then"
but
more factors
what is tenure ?
:>
alrigh tislapped
ont he new
jvm arguemtns
lets hgope i dont have a stroke
woa
how u running
mc
without
problems thems
aight so im
oh
makes snese
so real
that would make it worse
Also :P
yeah i noticed after puttin in 10 gigs.
thats
really acucrate
JESUS
now whats funny is the minimum fps are 6 :>
and the lag o meter looks like
that..
uhhh
you tell me
I WAS
gonna provide
footage
ya did what you could , still feels janky
but , it is a bit better
okay like
pretty good if it didnt jank
thats not my mouse.
thats the game.
i wish the problem was as easy as a janky mouse
yes.
SADLY
a normal gaming mouse
from some offbrand but
look trust me
my mouse didnt randomly js
stop
pretty generic yes
nuttin too fancy
oh
no then it aint generic
it aint bluetooth
gaming , and wired
unfortunately no but thi sisnt a mouse issue
im relative sure of it
ts ones anything but broken
i dont see how ts is relevant
the games randomly stopping , not the mouse
mhm mhm
yeah but the frequency amount is good
its fine
the games stopping which inturn freezes my mouse
but whilst i draw
it continues
after it freezes
anyway i gotta
shut off my pc
for some time
i got stuff to do , ill be available later
Honestly , is js a pc issue atp
U found anythin yet?
I had 8 gigs given in
And it only used maximum of 4.5
Maybe i should try that after i finish my studies
We could see how it runs
Il try 5 gigs first
Or 6
Wait did i fucking forget to turn on vbos.
Yk what that looks accurate to what im getting.
...i did reset my graphics settings
Because beforehand i messed around alot
I mightve forgotten to turn it on
Gotta check that later
Mhm
U think so?
It did use the second args u suggessted
The ones w out the omnkstacks
aight back on my pc
gonna try to see if i turned vbos off
vbos infact
WAS
turned off
oh
hmmm
well hawk
its not
the mouse you know
i think wer thinkin too limited
if there are
oh
so this is it rn
with vbos on
my chart is having a stroke
btw
here
kk
hes having a stroke bro
ur also using optiifnes 1.12.2 g6 version
the pre
maybe i should switch to that one too
buttt
i believe so
oh shit
i js noticed BetterFps was still in the pack
o no
ijm
SORRY
nuh uhh
ion remember how better fps slid into there
yea
@ember ocean
I GOT
NEW
S
this is as close as we can get tho to like
because ive had this type of lag before
way less
but like before we notice fps drops till minimum 6
kk
o
okay
render distance 8 btw
before restarting
okay i restarted
and joined the world
my render distance was reseted to 14 again
cf means?
oh
ohh
btw
my performance is significantly lower and my drops go down to 1 fps now
exat
exactly
he is fluctuating weirldy tho
from 15% to 40%
i cant determine , on one side yes , on the othe rno
sorta
yeah it is
meaning?
what do i have to increase?
what do i gotta do
how the hell do i limit tenuring
u mean my ram?
the allocated?
where do i add that
yes in the java arguemtns but
where
kk
jesus wiat thats not normal
ohhh
DUDE
WHYS
MINECRAFT USAING !=
Reason: Capital letters
10
minecraft is using
10
got it
restarted pc
btw is this
the
argment i SHOULD have
kk
IT IS?
garbage FIRST collectr?
im
launching it rn
currently istitng at 9 gb.
were sitting at 13.5 gigabytes :D
OUT OF 15.9
HA
dude its at 14.2
i dont think
thats right
dntknuwifurite
gotch
seems like minecraft didnt like those changes at all
minimum fps going from 50 to 9 now
12.7 out of 15.9
somehow minecraft is using 7,600 mb
or rather 7,7 gigabytes
alright
did
wait ur saying this
basic ass tower cant handle
g1gc?
with the tenure?
kk
still xmn1G?
kk
so js
-Xms2G -Xmn128M
so like ts?
but ive never had issues
with any other packs
except surprisingly 1.12.2
rad
fair but
whats OTG
Open Terrain Generator(or OTG) is advanced and fully customizable world generator that allows users to design worlds via configuration files and share them with other players as their own mods, called OTG presets.
Mod page: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/open-terrain-generator
Used preset's page(in my packs): https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/biome-bundle
Example screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/jGt5H
More presets: https://openterraingen.fandom.com/wiki/OTG_Presets
It's advised to use OTG world generation when creating new world. #world-creation-rad
AHHH got it
well yeah
lite was the only pack with the similar issue
in a smaller amount but
still prominent
alright so
i launched the game
starting up my world
these arguments
like 5k megabytes (5g) set
a bit more than 5g
n guess what @ember ocean
were back to terrible performance
pie chart is fluctuating alot again
restart?
LEAVE ME ALONE
Reason: Capital letters
okay
i
loaded in
should i js join the world
did
its really smooth except
fps drops of minimum going from 55 to 13
constantly
mhm
lemme obs 4 you
close enuf
random noticeable lag spike
very noticeable lag spike
and then return to okay performance
I DONT KNOW
Reason: Capital letters
lemme check my
power plan
it should be on high performance right=
right now it seem to be fne
might this be
an actual technical issue
maybe il have to reapply some thermal paste
or my well
i dont see
heat being an issue
its running on 30 % barely an dbehaiing strange
well i dont htink its the temp
so far this is the best
yeah but
the stall isnt supposed to be THIS noticeable
the stall was tick lag inducing beforehand
exactly
did i mention it fucks with my tps?
gc is serverside?
logically yeah
ofc ofc
i did get hwinfo64 now
maybe itl help us
ts is what homeboy be sayng
the average effective clock and acive clock are super weird tho
they fluctuate alot
i dot now if thats normal
u mean ts?
cant find too stupid
64
the
fuckin
hwi zip file
ah shit
i think i got th eportable
a
well ig ot the atest beta
sourceofrge
sourceforge
yuh yuh
wait
thas not ht esame
NAH
yeah thas why tho
its a beta
imm aget the non beta
oh shit
foudn the menu
50 degrees is more than fine
havent replaced the thermal paste
in over a year
RAHHHHH
thas the thing
its not supposa be
its actually supposa be decent and not absolute garbage doododd shit like currently
but it cant be due to the normal performance of my cpu being fine
in other games he strong as fuck
upgrade capability hawks
i started on a g variant
then moved onto an actual gpu
i wouldve gotten the ryzen 5 3600 if it wasnt for the gpu
or an 5 5600X
once this system meets its ends tho
im prolly u pgrading
THIS
CPU
IS COMPATIBLE
Reason: Capital letters
with the rtx 3060 tho
im planning to get a 4060 ti and a ryzen 7 7700X
only for shader
but my cpu aint an absolute unit , neither is he garbage tho
but its barely being utilized
again but this itme in english
im gonna kill myself
I WANNA PLAY RAD
Reason: Capital letters
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Reason: Capital letters
prolly
regardless
a motherboard , gpu , cpu and ram upgrade along side fans would be around 1k bucks
not to forget that il prolly need a new psu
i am gonna
dropkick this pc
how come i been playing on smooth 80 fps no lag spikes with complimentary on extreme in 1.18 moidpacks
with like a 152 mods
kk
mhm
i got it
should i extract?
wait how the hell do serverpacks work tho
k got it
erm
holon
i
extracted it
first foldr
secon done
which one
tfym cringe sorting.
im rathe rused t this too tho
my other folders dont got files above
hm thas weird
anyway
batch file mhm
erm
IT IS
i
ran it now
its outside
i got the cmd open
for sum reason
i dont fuckin know why it ran it
i was tryna open it w notepad
oh.
why didnt that work before.
I AM ON WINDOWS
Reason: Capital letters
CALM DOWN
ion use
mac
ew
or apple in general
abble
mmm
anyway
what i gotta d here
alongside the sapce?
currently not
like i got a fuckin preset vanilla 1.12 on my desctop
how did i
missspell
desktop
so badly
possibly yes that could work too
oh caps
oooohhh interesting
aihgt
minecraft
1.12.2 launched
what now
did
mhm
mhm mmh
wait
ya mean
java or javaw
java.exe
confusion
oh fuck
copied
as a path
we should huhry
im suber tired
kk
w a space?
like t s?
killing myself
there we go
i dont know why i did that
THE HWAT
where
was eula
did
eula=true
erm
any key?
did
dude i think
imma head to sleep
is it fine if we continue tmrw?
pretty late over here
kk cyall later
Gotchu
Btw @ember ocean do you think there any bios settings that ive tinkered with that couldve alter the performance of my cpu?
Maybe i did
Like it behaves weird but
Never sene it behave like ts
Fair but stiol
Its not normal for my cpu to fluctuate like ts
Prolly
Yeah good thing i mentioned it but
It was on a steady 50ยฐ
Yeah
But like it fluctuates in usgae
Usage
Wasnt this the case up here
Here
The clock speeds were going wils
I onyl saw
4.23
And 4.3 constantly
Wheres that setting?
Oh u ment
There
Honestly
My cpu has never performed this weirdly on mc
I hope we can fix this issue soon without any graphical mistakes or downgrades
Its 2 x 8 logically
I am gonna upgradd to 4 x 8 soon maybe
Ramsticks are js a bit expensive
52 bux for 16 extra gigs
Wait.
Looks like a cpu , budget gpu???
Jesus what is amd pumping out
New amd cpus look like they were made in geometry dash anysay
@ember ocean im avaialable again
so what could we possibly try
that could help?
i dont think the ryzen 5 5600G is the issue
i mean
possbiyl yes but
ive checked and compared it with the X version
its like an 8% perf diff
@ember ocean ???
3
oh
shit mb
id ditn mean for the 2nd ping
ts one
i forget that replying , w the option pings dudes
mbb
yeah i think im gonna dive deeper into why my cpu is acting like a child
whos not gettign what he wants
weirdly to which extend? like usage?
probably a bios setting
is throttling only caused by temeperature tho?
wym
hm
i dont know if you mean my mouse is the one stopping
or the game
cuz my mouse fine
my mouse dont randomly freeze
it was the game , when i continued dragging , it continued , didnt stop
kk
fair
and i got news
so
the games running great , 180 fps
contstantly
and thats where the gc call gets in
it drops my min fps to 10
your answer of it might be throttling?
ah gawd dam
then im baffled
so my cpus is just shit
well yeah , i get that
but its unfortunately not a stall
but deadass a freeze
yeah and youre telling me except upgrading my entire system , im not gonna get any better perf?
well i mean , if youre puttin sm emphasis on my cpu behaiving like a baby on steroids
then i cant really think of anything else because thermal throttling with 50 degrees C seems unlikely
6 core sounds fine to me
eugh
its def a bios issue
i fucked around sm with the bios
mhm mhm
xmn is really messing my ram up to
its using sm
i assigned 5 and its using 8 which i assume is normal
hm
its funny because like , the stats listed on my cpu seem prety good
im below average clock speed now
thats not good
does it matter on whcih
disk drive
its on?
thats from what i can tell by my lag o meter
kind of accurate
in bar terms
wait
yeah it does
wait holy shit yeah
7,6-7,9 mem used
im rlly questioning tho , what could actually cause my cpu to behave like this
I really can understand the argument of it being a g variant
but since the g should be obsolete by just ignoring its apu
i dont understand why its performing like it is
erm
7 gigs at idle?
U got 64 tho.
I got 4 times less
Also erm hawkeye
Was it idiotic and kind of stupid of me to delete the adrenalin software for amd
Because it took up space before i got hdd..
...
Yeah thats the thing
I probably
Uhm
When was the last time i updated my chipset drivers.
It didnt work w the cmd , rember?
Which ones tho
Yeah but i ment which ones as in how
I cant set one myself
N ion know if there any i can js join
mb
so
before i do anything stupid
could i try the benchmark server
u set up
or any
kk
also 1 question , do i need adrenalin edition to update my chipset drivers
im too fuckin stupid to get it because
how do i do that
the official page or sm
oh
well erm
i wish i could
oh
java is using
like 5k mb
which is good
but
its only supposa use 5k
it keeps using more
joining the server btw
for what am i joining again?
not surprising but the gc stalls still there
i still gotta grasp on what gc is dependant on
okay yeah
client side issue
well its like rather my minimum fps have big drops
my mouse is fine
its just every time the fuckin gc resets , its sadly not a small unnoticeable stall
its
erm
big
a bit noticeable
(maybe too noticeable)
funny thing is its like , a 60 max and min frame drop which is , not so cool
yeah im outta ideas we tried everything pretty much
mhm
:(
even serverside
the lag spike goes till 11 fps
i did notice 1 thing
everytime gc does its thing
my cpu performance spikes
mhm
yuh
mhm..
yeah the ybooth seem at a 100%
right?
it does say
turn off hard disk
after 20 mins
whas that mean
is that a
good or bad thing
cuz im running the curseforge instance on my hdd
okay good
maybe thisl help with identifying anything
156 gigs
should be neough
enough
on my hdd?
ive done it before dw
i switched allat stuff i had on my ssd
to hdd
before
the path is literally
drive d - curseforge
i should maybe
no idea how im supposa work around stuff like hdds
incorrect loud buzzer?
also where the hell
is the default
curseforge folder
on my ssd
eughr what
oh.
wait what
i alr had one ho
or js
make one
im gonna cry
if this issue
is somehow resolved
i also doubt b ut
still
its worth a shot
yk
ooo good point
yes#
mhm
only xmn and xms
wait
why th efuck is xmn 2g.
erm
AHHH yeah
esactly
so it makes sense
why it was eating up
an additional 2 gigabytes
which iturn even makes more sense
cuz iu
gave him like 6 gigs to work with
which inturn
changes it to 5.7
exactly
so im baffled too
AH
i should js buy a new cpu atp
a clean wipe?
like
my entire pc?
js
whoosh?
a clean windows reinstall??
but
can i somehow
save my shot
shit
fair fair
hmm dude i agree i should do a clean os wipe
but what abt all the important files
could i also distinctively try cleaning my device
without wiping
thatd be so much effort tho
aint no one got itme 4 that
mmm
i think
may 2022?
accurate is may 2022
huh????
ive never reinstalled my os
ONCE
LMAO
im too scared and of an idiot to do it
well do u save any files , logically?
hmmm
well
couldnt
and your fils
files
are on a seperate
AHHHH
should i do it like that too?
or do you not recommend bloating my hdd
ssd - os , hdd - rest
would that be ANY benefitial
logically yes
but like
wiping the os = wiping everything
o?
i only have ssd n hdd
what
theyre atleast 25 bux
would it be a problem to save my important files
my hdd
and use my ssd for the os purely?
btw should i do the same for games?
i can tell :)
well im still super
skeptical of
wipe
os
cuz you think i trust myself with allat?
you shouldnt trust me with shit bro
im gonna end up breaking it
anyway so os wipe seems the most logical thing here
144 hz?
i got
a second graphic tablet
60 hz
does that work fine?
its like a screen n currently on
good
theyre both on rn , my monitor is display port , the tablet is hdmi
gotchu