#RAD (1.12.2) Java Garbage Collector Lag issue

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tepid shard
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@sturdy kraken Which version of optifine

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Depending on which your using it causes a memory leak

sturdy kraken
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Its 1.12.2 logically , but for its OWN version i gotta check

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Il check later today if thats alirght

sturdy kraken
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@tepid shard , its OptiFine_1.12.2_HD_U_G5

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should i mention i do have memory leaks even without optifine?

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i did downgrade to u_g3 but , as you can see presented by the lag o meter , it didnt fix anything

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some info here by the lag o meter

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some pie charts if they do end up helping

sturdy kraken
tepid shard
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Also screen record 30 seconds f3 menu showing

sturdy kraken
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kk

sturdy kraken
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in thius recording i also moved a bit to maybe show how its impacting durring movment

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@tepid shard sorry for the late response

tepid shard
sturdy kraken
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actually barely any time

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right after all my chunks get loaded (Rd = 12) it starts instantley (also whilst)

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not as prominent as when i have the extra mods added

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but still noticeable and thats my issue

tepid shard
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And this is for every world

Shift f3 screen record next time it occurs

sturdy kraken
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the problem is it ALWAYS occurs tho

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and its shared across worlds

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ive made over 5 worlds on 3 different launchers , might it possibly be my device

tepid shard
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What application are you using to play the modpack

sturdy kraken
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i started on curseforge

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thats when i also noticed alot of lats

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lags*

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switched to prism to no avail

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and js rn i tried out gdlauncher and didnt really have any big changes

tepid shard
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Mmm are you using any java args

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And what java version are you using

sturdy kraken
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Well yeah ofc ive tried with jvm arguments , but those didnt really help so i reverted back to the normal one

sturdy kraken
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the game would physically not run if i used java 11 or above

tepid shard
sturdy kraken
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i used oracles java so far

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i did try using diff java versions to change the garbage collector maybe for better performance

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like instead of g1gc i used sheandoah

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but i was too stupid to set it up

sturdy kraken
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which yes is manual

tepid shard
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Unless its a java or spec issue cant think of a cause for a fresg install memory leak

Is this both on rad lite and regular rad

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8n

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In

sturdy kraken
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ive yet to try lite

tepid shard
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If its not occuring in rad lite that would narrow it down to whatever mods are in rad regular

sturdy kraken
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lemme try rad lite now that you mention it

sturdy kraken
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it seems like it happens less frequently , but its still noticeable

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Seems like the pack isnt that lighter

tepid shard
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Try 1.53 rad

tepid shard
sturdy kraken
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hm hm

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might try

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Do you remember which type of mod it was?

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Content mod?

tepid shard
tepid shard
sturdy kraken
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Proly but i didnt get myself a beefy pc for it not bein able to handle ts

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surprisingly

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ive played even WORSE optimized modpacks with MORE mods on MORE recent shitty optimized minecraft versions

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whilst hosting , with essentials :>

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and i did infact not notice any lags

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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mah bahd

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btw @tepid shard , it saysa 6gigs recommended server side , so should 8 gigs internal be fine?

tepid shard
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Yeah

sturdy kraken
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starting r.a.d 1.53 rn

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in hopes of figuring ou the ACTUAL issue

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@tepid shard

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tested it out in rad 1.53

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still got those small super noticeable lag spikes

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they happen frequentley unfortunately

tepid shard
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oop gc then?

sturdy kraken
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done

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did

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additional args?

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mhm did

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kk

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alrightly

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yeah cuz i remember ts aint havin to do w memory leakin

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ignoring the actual issue

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i was kind of confused abt what doctor mage told me to do / asked me abt even tho those things were alr done

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btw

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what does "-Xms2G -XX:+UseG1GC -Xmn128M -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:-OmitStackTraceInFastThrow" do

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thanks for clarifying tho

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HOW dependant

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if im running singleplayer internal server w 12 chuncks

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which is avrg

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i aint got a quantom super computer

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i could prolly run 2

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20

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sooo

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16 is high end

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well thas device dependnant tho imo

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mb

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i ment high end

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hopefully i do lmao

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i know alot abt pcs but

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not too much abt minecraft optimization

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uh

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so uh

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lemme js

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i thought my dumbass changed the

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jvm arguments

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id idnt

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so i had to

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restart

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anyway it did load

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im joining a world to see if it helped

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okay so new reports , its even worse than before

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LMAO

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my usage is sitting at a nice 42-43%

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pc.

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currently 4.25 ghz

sturdy kraken
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yeahhhh.. no idea

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minimum fps staggers from 2-6

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jesus 4080 and a ryzen 9 ofc yours will run better

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regardless

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how much ram should i have assigned??

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yum

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well yeah

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minecraft IS super cpu dependnant

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ryzen 5 5600G is decent tho

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up to 4.30 ghz which is fine ig

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6 cores

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btw

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this is how the game runs

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and no obs is not lagging

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lemme check

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noper

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i was moving left to right..

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obs stutters it a bit but

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the recording itself shows how it moves

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YEAHHH

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shit

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WAIT

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yeah it has an inbuilt gpu

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no

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mv

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wait

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wym disable that?

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disable my gpu 1?

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why that?

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my rtx 3060 , which is ass regardless is the main component used

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OHHHHHH

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SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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oh my god

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that all makes sense now

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alright well , how DO i turn off an apu

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i could js search it mb

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GAW

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damn

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gotta become an it technician again

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yuh yuh i know that much

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i got b450

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pro vdh max or sm bullshit

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old ass atx motherbaord

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imma go

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disable my

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apu

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brb

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back

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aight i disabled my apu

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lemme try again

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idfk if itbboosted performance alot

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but it feels faster

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it aint

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RAHHH

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i actually figured out how to disable iot myself because youtube tutorials didnt help

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plus it ws like 3 clicks so it okay

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@ember ocean will me disabling the apu

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have any other benefits?

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HAHA

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gotta become a technician and java argument master

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to play modded

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the thingy in herz?

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mines 144 but i mostly disable vsync

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probably but

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heavy modpakcs never made it below 80

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WTIHOUT shaders

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with , around 60

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surprisingly never experienced tearing

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youre never gonna believe this

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NOTHINGS actually changed

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well that fluctuates.. heavily

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from a smooth 180 to a shitty 28

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how

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...the what now

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you

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want me to

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download the server pack..?

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kk

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WHAT

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minimum fps still sit at 6

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anyway imm abrb

sturdy kraken
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dafuq you mean

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im not good

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may i ask

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why does it do that

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aint no way

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what

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WHAT

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whats omnistack

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WAHH

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should i

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still

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use

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fuck

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downloafd

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the sevrer pack

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btw

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why am i not using sheandoah?

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is it any better than g1gc

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o

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ur

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speaking in

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metaphors

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is this positive

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or negative

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are 4.3-4.4 ghz rlly too slow??

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i dont fuckin know hoiw to read allat

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what does gc usage mean

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im so confazzled

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what is this graph tryna say

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oh.

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jesus

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fucking

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christ

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thats

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quite alot of garbage collection

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n how many ghz u got?

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WHAT

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WDYM

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you locked it to 3 ghz

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i was gonna say "hows mine performing worse then"

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but

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more factors

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what is tenure ?

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:>

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alrigh tislapped

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ont he new

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jvm arguemtns

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lets hgope i dont have a stroke

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woa

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how u running

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mc

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without

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problems thems

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aight so im

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oh

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makes snese

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so real

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that would make it worse

sturdy kraken
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yeah i noticed after puttin in 10 gigs.

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thats

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really acucrate

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JESUS

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now whats funny is the minimum fps are 6 :>

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and the lag o meter looks like

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that..

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uhhh

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you tell me

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I WAS

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gonna provide

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footage

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ya did what you could , still feels janky

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but , it is a bit better

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okay like

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pretty good if it didnt jank

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thats not my mouse.

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thats the game.

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i wish the problem was as easy as a janky mouse

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yes.

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SADLY

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a normal gaming mouse

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from some offbrand but

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look trust me

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my mouse didnt randomly js

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stop

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pretty generic yes

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nuttin too fancy

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oh

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no then it aint generic

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it aint bluetooth

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gaming , and wired

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unfortunately no but thi sisnt a mouse issue

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im relative sure of it

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ts ones anything but broken

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i dont see how ts is relevant

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the games randomly stopping , not the mouse

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mhm mhm

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yeah but the frequency amount is good

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its fine

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the games stopping which inturn freezes my mouse

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but whilst i draw

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it continues

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after it freezes

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anyway i gotta

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shut off my pc

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for some time

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i got stuff to do , ill be available later

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Honestly , is js a pc issue atp

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U found anythin yet?

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I had 8 gigs given in

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And it only used maximum of 4.5

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Maybe i should try that after i finish my studies

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We could see how it runs

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Il try 5 gigs first

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Or 6

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Wait did i fucking forget to turn on vbos.

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Yk what that looks accurate to what im getting.

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...i did reset my graphics settings

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Because beforehand i messed around alot

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I mightve forgotten to turn it on

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Gotta check that later

sturdy kraken
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Mhm

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U think so?

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It did use the second args u suggessted

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The ones w out the omnkstacks

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aight back on my pc

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gonna try to see if i turned vbos off

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vbos infact

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WAS

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turned off

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oh

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hmmm

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well hawk

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its not

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the mouse you know

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i think wer thinkin too limited

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if there are

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oh

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so this is it rn

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with vbos on

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my chart is having a stroke

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btw

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here

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kk

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hes having a stroke bro

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ur also using optiifnes 1.12.2 g6 version

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the pre

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maybe i should switch to that one too

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buttt

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i believe so

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oh shit

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i js noticed BetterFps was still in the pack

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o no

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ijm

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SORRY

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nuh uhh

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ion remember how better fps slid into there

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yea

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@ember ocean

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I GOT

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NEW

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S

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this is as close as we can get tho to like

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because ive had this type of lag before

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way less

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but like before we notice fps drops till minimum 6

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kk

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o

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okay

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render distance 8 btw

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before restarting

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okay i restarted

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and joined the world

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my render distance was reseted to 14 again

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cf means?

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oh

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ohh

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btw

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my performance is significantly lower and my drops go down to 1 fps now

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exat

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exactly

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he is fluctuating weirldy tho

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from 15% to 40%

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i cant determine , on one side yes , on the othe rno

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sorta

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yeah it is

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meaning?

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what do i have to increase?

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what do i gotta do

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how the hell do i limit tenuring

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u mean my ram?

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the allocated?

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where do i add that

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yes in the java arguemtns but

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where

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kk

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jesus wiat thats not normal

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ohhh

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DUDE

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WHYS

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MINECRAFT USAING !=

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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10

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minecraft is using

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10

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got it

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restarted pc

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btw is this

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the

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argment i SHOULD have

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kk

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IT IS?

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garbage FIRST collectr?

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im

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launching it rn

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currently istitng at 9 gb.

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were sitting at 13.5 gigabytes :D

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OUT OF 15.9

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HA

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dude its at 14.2

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i dont think

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thats right

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dntknuwifurite

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gotch

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seems like minecraft didnt like those changes at all

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minimum fps going from 50 to 9 now

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12.7 out of 15.9

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somehow minecraft is using 7,600 mb

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or rather 7,7 gigabytes

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alright

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did

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wait ur saying this

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basic ass tower cant handle

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g1gc?

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with the tenure?

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kk

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still xmn1G?

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kk

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so js

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-Xms2G -Xmn128M

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so like ts?

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but ive never had issues

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with any other packs

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except surprisingly 1.12.2

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rad

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fair but

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whats OTG

plucky sinewBOT
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Open Terrain Generator(or OTG) is advanced and fully customizable world generator that allows users to design worlds via configuration files and share them with other players as their own mods, called OTG presets.
Mod page: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/open-terrain-generator
Used preset's page(in my packs): https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/biome-bundle
Example screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/jGt5H
More presets: https://openterraingen.fandom.com/wiki/OTG_Presets
It's advised to use OTG world generation when creating new world. #world-creation-rad

sturdy kraken
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AHHH got it

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well yeah

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lite was the only pack with the similar issue

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in a smaller amount but

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still prominent

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alright so

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i launched the game

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starting up my world

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these arguments

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like 5k megabytes (5g) set

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a bit more than 5g

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n guess what @ember ocean

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were back to terrible performance

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pie chart is fluctuating alot again

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restart?

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LEAVE ME ALONE

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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okay

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i

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loaded in

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should i js join the world

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did

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its really smooth except

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fps drops of minimum going from 55 to 13

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constantly

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mhm

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lemme obs 4 you

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close enuf

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random noticeable lag spike

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very noticeable lag spike

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and then return to okay performance

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I DONT KNOW

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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lemme check my

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power plan

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it should be on high performance right=

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right now it seem to be fne

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might this be

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an actual technical issue

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maybe il have to reapply some thermal paste

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or my well

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i dont see

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heat being an issue

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its running on 30 % barely an dbehaiing strange

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well i dont htink its the temp

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so far this is the best

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yeah but

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the stall isnt supposed to be THIS noticeable

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the stall was tick lag inducing beforehand

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exactly

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did i mention it fucks with my tps?

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gc is serverside?

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logically yeah

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ofc ofc

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i did get hwinfo64 now

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maybe itl help us

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ts is what homeboy be sayng

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the average effective clock and acive clock are super weird tho

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they fluctuate alot

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i dot now if thats normal

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u mean ts?

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cant find too stupid

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64

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the

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fuckin

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hwi zip file

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ah shit

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i think i got th eportable

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a

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well ig ot the atest beta

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sourceofrge

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sourceforge

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yuh yuh

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wait

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thas not ht esame

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NAH

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yeah thas why tho

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its a beta

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imm aget the non beta

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oh shit

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foudn the menu

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50 degrees is more than fine

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havent replaced the thermal paste

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in over a year

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RAHHHHH

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thas the thing

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its not supposa be

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its actually supposa be decent and not absolute garbage doododd shit like currently

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but it cant be due to the normal performance of my cpu being fine

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in other games he strong as fuck

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upgrade capability hawks

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i started on a g variant

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then moved onto an actual gpu

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i wouldve gotten the ryzen 5 3600 if it wasnt for the gpu

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or an 5 5600X

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once this system meets its ends tho

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im prolly u pgrading

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THIS

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CPU

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IS COMPATIBLE

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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with the rtx 3060 tho

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im planning to get a 4060 ti and a ryzen 7 7700X

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only for shader

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but my cpu aint an absolute unit , neither is he garbage tho

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but its barely being utilized

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again but this itme in english

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im gonna kill myself

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I WANNA PLAY RAD

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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prolly

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regardless

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a motherboard , gpu , cpu and ram upgrade along side fans would be around 1k bucks

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not to forget that il prolly need a new psu

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i am gonna

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dropkick this pc

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how come i been playing on smooth 80 fps no lag spikes with complimentary on extreme in 1.18 moidpacks

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with like a 152 mods

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kk

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mhm

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i got it

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should i extract?

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wait how the hell do serverpacks work tho

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k got it

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erm

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holon

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i

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extracted it

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first foldr

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secon done

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which one

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tfym cringe sorting.

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im rathe rused t this too tho

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my other folders dont got files above

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hm thas weird

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anyway

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batch file mhm

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erm

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IT IS

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i

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ran it now

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its outside

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i got the cmd open

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for sum reason

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i dont fuckin know why it ran it

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i was tryna open it w notepad

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oh.

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why didnt that work before.

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I AM ON WINDOWS

graceful wyvernBOT
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kinster. has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

sturdy kraken
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CALM DOWN

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ion use

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mac

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ew

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or apple in general

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abble

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mmm

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anyway

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what i gotta d here

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alongside the sapce?

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currently not

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like i got a fuckin preset vanilla 1.12 on my desctop

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how did i

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missspell

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desktop

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so badly

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possibly yes that could work too

tepid shard
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oh they got muted

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how?

sturdy kraken
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yo pc built like a baked bean

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oh

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HAHAH

tepid shard
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oh caps

sturdy kraken
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oooohhh interesting

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aihgt

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minecraft

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1.12.2 launched

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what now

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did

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mhm

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mhm mmh

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wait

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ya mean

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java or javaw

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java.exe

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confusion

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oh fuck

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copied

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as a path

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we should huhry

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im suber tired

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kk

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w a space?

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like t s?

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killing myself

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there we go

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i dont know why i did that

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THE HWAT

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where

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was eula

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did

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eula=true

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erm

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any key?

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did

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dude i think

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imma head to sleep

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is it fine if we continue tmrw?

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pretty late over here

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kk cyall later

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Gotchu

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Btw @ember ocean do you think there any bios settings that ive tinkered with that couldve alter the performance of my cpu?

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Maybe i did

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Like it behaves weird but

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Never sene it behave like ts

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Fair but stiol

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Its not normal for my cpu to fluctuate like ts

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Prolly

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Yeah good thing i mentioned it but

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It was on a steady 50ยฐ

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Yeah

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But like it fluctuates in usgae

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Usage

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Wasnt this the case up here

sturdy kraken
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The clock speeds were going wils

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I onyl saw

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4.23

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And 4.3 constantly

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Wheres that setting?

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Oh u ment

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There

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Honestly

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My cpu has never performed this weirdly on mc

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I hope we can fix this issue soon without any graphical mistakes or downgrades

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Its 2 x 8 logically

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I am gonna upgradd to 4 x 8 soon maybe

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Ramsticks are js a bit expensive

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52 bux for 16 extra gigs

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Wait.

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Looks like a cpu , budget gpu???

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Jesus what is amd pumping out

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New amd cpus look like they were made in geometry dash anysay

sturdy kraken
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@ember ocean im avaialable again

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so what could we possibly try

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that could help?

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i dont think the ryzen 5 5600G is the issue

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i mean

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possbiyl yes but

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ive checked and compared it with the X version

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its like an 8% perf diff

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@ember ocean ???

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3

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oh

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shit mb

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id ditn mean for the 2nd ping

sturdy kraken
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i forget that replying , w the option pings dudes

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mbb

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yeah i think im gonna dive deeper into why my cpu is acting like a child

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whos not gettign what he wants

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weirdly to which extend? like usage?

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probably a bios setting

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is throttling only caused by temeperature tho?

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wym

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hm

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i dont know if you mean my mouse is the one stopping

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or the game

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cuz my mouse fine

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my mouse dont randomly freeze

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it was the game , when i continued dragging , it continued , didnt stop

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kk

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fair

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and i got news

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so

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the games running great , 180 fps

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contstantly

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and thats where the gc call gets in

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it drops my min fps to 10

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your answer of it might be throttling?

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ah gawd dam

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then im baffled

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so my cpus is just shit

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well yeah , i get that

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but its unfortunately not a stall

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but deadass a freeze

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yeah and youre telling me except upgrading my entire system , im not gonna get any better perf?

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well i mean , if youre puttin sm emphasis on my cpu behaiving like a baby on steroids

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then i cant really think of anything else because thermal throttling with 50 degrees C seems unlikely

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6 core sounds fine to me

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eugh

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its def a bios issue

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i fucked around sm with the bios

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mhm mhm

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xmn is really messing my ram up to

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its using sm

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i assigned 5 and its using 8 which i assume is normal

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hm

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its funny because like , the stats listed on my cpu seem prety good

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im below average clock speed now

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thats not good

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does it matter on whcih

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disk drive

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its on?

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thats from what i can tell by my lag o meter

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kind of accurate

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in bar terms

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wait

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yeah it does

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wait holy shit yeah

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7,6-7,9 mem used

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im rlly questioning tho , what could actually cause my cpu to behave like this
I really can understand the argument of it being a g variant

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but since the g should be obsolete by just ignoring its apu

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i dont understand why its performing like it is

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erm

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7 gigs at idle?

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U got 64 tho.

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I got 4 times less

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Also erm hawkeye

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Was it idiotic and kind of stupid of me to delete the adrenalin software for amd

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Because it took up space before i got hdd..

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...

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Yeah thats the thing

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I probably

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Uhm

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When was the last time i updated my chipset drivers.

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It didnt work w the cmd , rember?

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Which ones tho

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Yeah but i ment which ones as in how

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I cant set one myself

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N ion know if there any i can js join

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mb

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so

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before i do anything stupid

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could i try the benchmark server

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u set up

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or any

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kk

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also 1 question , do i need adrenalin edition to update my chipset drivers

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im too fuckin stupid to get it because

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how do i do that

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the official page or sm

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oh

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well erm

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i wish i could

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oh

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java is using

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like 5k mb

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which is good

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but

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its only supposa use 5k

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it keeps using more

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joining the server btw

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for what am i joining again?

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not surprising but the gc stalls still there

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i still gotta grasp on what gc is dependant on

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okay yeah

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client side issue

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well its like rather my minimum fps have big drops

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my mouse is fine

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its just every time the fuckin gc resets , its sadly not a small unnoticeable stall

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its

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erm

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big

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a bit noticeable

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(maybe too noticeable)

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funny thing is its like , a 60 max and min frame drop which is , not so cool

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yeah im outta ideas we tried everything pretty much

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mhm

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:(

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even serverside

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the lag spike goes till 11 fps

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i did notice 1 thing

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everytime gc does its thing

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my cpu performance spikes

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mhm

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yuh

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mhm..

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yeah the ybooth seem at a 100%

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right?

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it does say

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turn off hard disk

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after 20 mins

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whas that mean

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is that a

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good or bad thing

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cuz im running the curseforge instance on my hdd

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okay good

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maybe thisl help with identifying anything

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156 gigs

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should be neough

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enough

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on my hdd?

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ive done it before dw

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i switched allat stuff i had on my ssd

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to hdd

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before

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the path is literally

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drive d - curseforge

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i should maybe

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no idea how im supposa work around stuff like hdds

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incorrect loud buzzer?

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also where the hell

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is the default

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curseforge folder

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on my ssd

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eughr what

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oh.

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wait what

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i alr had one ho

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or js

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make one

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im gonna cry

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if this issue

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is somehow resolved

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i also doubt b ut

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still

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its worth a shot

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yk

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ooo good point

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yes#

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mhm

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only xmn and xms

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wait

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why th efuck is xmn 2g.

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erm

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AHHH yeah

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esactly

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so it makes sense

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why it was eating up

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an additional 2 gigabytes

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which iturn even makes more sense

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cuz iu

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gave him like 6 gigs to work with

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which inturn

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changes it to 5.7

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exactly

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so im baffled too

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AH

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i should js buy a new cpu atp

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a clean wipe?

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like

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my entire pc?

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js

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whoosh?

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a clean windows reinstall??

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but

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can i somehow

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save my shot

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shit

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fair fair

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hmm dude i agree i should do a clean os wipe

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but what abt all the important files

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could i also distinctively try cleaning my device

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without wiping

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thatd be so much effort tho

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aint no one got itme 4 that

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mmm

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i think

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may 2022?

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accurate is may 2022

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huh????

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ive never reinstalled my os

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ONCE

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LMAO

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im too scared and of an idiot to do it

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well do u save any files , logically?

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hmmm

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well

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couldnt

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and your fils

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files

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are on a seperate

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AHHHH

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should i do it like that too?

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or do you not recommend bloating my hdd

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ssd - os , hdd - rest

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would that be ANY benefitial

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logically yes

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but like

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wiping the os = wiping everything

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o?

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i only have ssd n hdd

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what

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theyre atleast 25 bux

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would it be a problem to save my important files

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my hdd

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and use my ssd for the os purely?

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btw should i do the same for games?

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i can tell :)

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well im still super

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skeptical of

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wipe

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os

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cuz you think i trust myself with allat?

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you shouldnt trust me with shit bro

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im gonna end up breaking it

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anyway so os wipe seems the most logical thing here

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144 hz?

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i got

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a second graphic tablet

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60 hz

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does that work fine?

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its like a screen n currently on

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good

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theyre both on rn , my monitor is display port , the tablet is hdmi

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gotchu