🏆-event-chat

[earnest hornet]

Yup that’s correct it was only the Officer power that was removed 🙂

[abstract gate]

That officer power was insignificant anyway. Considering the scores in this event the power gain from officers almost doesn't matter. Officer XP and ship XP on the other hand are a totally different story. But the way the rewards are distributed and the scoring mechanism make it obvious that this just another cash grab.

Not so obvious as the cloaking feature, but still a cash grab anyway.

[sour lotus]

Dont know about that. I mean yeah all slbs are dominated by people who spend. But taking out officer xp its basically about tiering defense platforms. If you plan smart ahead you stand a chance, bc many are bound by ops or did already upgrade them.

[weak copper]

Turrets only help if you happen to be at the right level. Upgrading one from 39 to 40 scores 20 million points. Upgrading one from 40-41 scores 5.25 million.

[abstract gate]

That assumes that you have the resources to spend on defense platforms. And that you have known in advance about the change in the scoring mechanism. If you were relying on officer and ship XP then brown things happen

[weak copper]

Precisely, which is why this new format is bad. Same upgrade can give 2 different players massively different points.

[shrewd knot]

and it's not like you can buy anything to give you more buildings to upgrade.

[abstract gate]

You can buy resources for a stupidly high price 😁

[shrewd knot]

RSS doesn't get you another gun turret to build if they are all finished for your level. you can only jump levels which starts putting you at a disadvantage for the future unless you are ready for the jump. and Ops generally takes weeks or more now.

[weak copper]

I could theoretically drop 14k g4 uncommon on my shipyard and score hardly anything. Totally devalues rss.

[uneven peak]

I'm 2nd on my leaderboard, I only buy the battlepass each month. I got luck that I had all 4 turrets to upgrade and I'd just levelled ops so I have a lot of research. It is possible to win these events without spending, but you've got to plan ahead and prepare for it.

[cunning radish]

I bet your under 35 ops or so though 🙂

(I am too, just saying 😃)

[uneven peak]

I am, yes.

[cunning radish]

It changes after 39

Or so I hear

🤣

[uneven peak]

I'm sure it does. But that's for future me to worry about 😂

[pseudo kindle]

Worfmania on server 49, lvl 35-36 bracket

[dapper moss]

scopely loves equality and f2p players

[pseudo kindle]

They needed Christmas bonuses

[dapper moss]

new boats for employeers

[pseudo kindle]

And new tesla cyber trucks for all scopley employees!

[fleet geyser]

17 minutes left. I guess scopely decided they don’t care how badly they screwed over many of us. They promised to make people whole who got screwed over by at least 100k points, and before the event was over. They haven’t done shit! Thanks for absolutely nothing, and another horrible event. Scopely should be added to Urban Dictionary to be synonymous with failure

[rare lynx]

You mean scopelied = FUBAR?

[lavish silo]

My friends & I call them, Doh-pely. Lol

[dapper moss]

maybe we could send a lot of ticket about it, but A LOT of ticket, so scope can ignore more us

[frosty notch]

🤣

fake news again

sure scopely i will kil 30 epic armadas for event

wanted the best, you know the rest

[opaque echo]

No BP event lads

🙂

[frosty notch]

its coming late 🙂

[cold horizon]

Its worrying to see Scopely making the same blunders over and over and over again…

[opaque echo]

wtf is that points

[frosty notch]

xD

[opaque echo]

how many rares should I do

like 100?>

[fallen karma]

You get 20k points for starting a rare

Before you get too dramatic

[frosty notch]

only spending directives actually scores

[fallen karma]

And you got given a pile of them not long ago

[opaque echo]

yes

spending is fine

but I mean the actual points for defeating

[viral sail]

If you restart the game the BP event shows up

[opaque echo]

I did 4 times, but it appeared only 5 min after refresh @viral sail

[carmine lily]

Where are all the cloaked ships griefing armadas so they can start one themselves? Isn’t that what this was all supposed to be leading to?

[formal birch]

bp event is scheduled for 13 -14

[opaque sandal]

Scopely’d again. Read their news over and over and says no directive spending events for Heart of Stonn. Yet first day there is one. 😂

[pale kestrel]

and not jsut any directives, only rares and epics

[ember walrus]

Oh it had it but 50 rares or 30 epics lol

[fierce cosmos]

This is ridiculous with the directives again. Had to spend more than half of the gifted ones this past weekend. Now this? Give us a break.

[celest cloud]

I got 1,500 for defeating a rare someone else set, seems working to me.

[solar fog]

So no BattlePass event today?

[celest cloud]

Refresh your client, it is hostile hunt but didn't show for me without a restart.

[frosty notch]

its there, hostile/armada hunt also

[solar fog]

Ty got it now

[keen citrus]

Well done Scopely for another cocked up event. 10k rare directives to do the event. Absolute piss take.

[amber wave]

u mean 1k?

[keen citrus]

50 rare armadas at 200 per armada is 10k

[fierce cosmos]

Should have let us run UC so we could also build up rare directives at the same time...

[pale kestrel]

uhm points for directive use, 200=20k

[amber wave]

bruh

[keen citrus]

Scopely have just made these events for huge spenders

[amber wave]

dude its 4 rare armadas, 800 directives where did u get 10k from

[pale kestrel]

although i still don't like it as directive packs are $99 and no options for any lesser packs for directives even though there are lilke 3 packs in the store for the same price

[keen citrus]

I need 75000 points to complete the event 1500 pts per armada

[sterile sphinx]

You also get points for launching.

[placid geode]

Do borg armadas count?

[pale kestrel]

no

[thin condor]

How often are D'var blueprints in the event store?

[opaque sandal]

Get 1500 points for beating them. 20k points if you run them. And 21.5k points for running them and beating them. If you don’t have directives then yes it could be difficult.

[amber wave]

u legit got 2100 directives for free

[opaque sandal]

Every time. 50 limit I think. Or 60. Whichever is half.

[thin condor]

I currently have 70/120 ... don't want to spend for something I already have 1/2 the prints for

[keen citrus]

Thanks guys, I’ve obviously read it wrong. Must be the heroin 🤪🤪🤪

[carmine lily]

Armada events have never been about directives, they’ve always been about not having the armadas to run. This one is no different. 1000 people looking for 18 spawn points needing 4 starts a piece. Not gonna happen for 75% of the server. Just like every other time they’ve tried it

[keen citrus]

Very true, they should add more armadas in other systems

[pale kestrel]

well there are more armadas in deep space, jsut sayin'

[keen citrus]

A lot of my guys can’t get there yet

[desert laurel]

it's the first hour, it'll get easier as people finish their events and move along

[patent girder]

50 rare armadas to destroy in 2 days. Each. It’s a bit much.

[neat mirage]

spending directives scores a lot of points

[rigid mural]

Problem is rare armadas are scarse

[pale kestrel]

and tbf, there have been some other directive use events that have ran since the initial directives were given out. no one expected this heart of stonn event to be complete opposite and score more directives used than the armadas destroyed

[patent girder]

2000 points for starting a rare.

[hollow fossil]

20000

[versed stirrup]

I'll get a feeling the rare directive pile we got is only enough to get worf or ston for free.

[abstract gate]

The event is two days, just wait a couple hours

[lost abyss]

Has anyone checked swarm armadas for points yet?

[desert laurel]

it will work for spend rare directives

[opaque sandal]

Only have to run 4 rares to finish event.

[versed stirrup]

if you have the directive 🙂 I think all are fine for now, but this event comes again with ston part 2 and the worf event with R/E armadas too

[hollow fossil]

4 this round, 4 next round, 2 starts left assuming you didn't fail one, and with the opening armada event ...............

[desert laurel]

wouldn't use any for the worf events, rares don't really make a lot of pts

[versed stirrup]

15.000 for worf 🙂

Then I failed I guess. I hadn't 1260 G3 around or at least something to put in.

[abstract gate]

I needed 930k points 😅

[versed stirrup]

You get more a your level, so I guess it's fair 🙂

[abstract gate]

It’s also harder to spend

Lot of stuff still requires common only

[versed stirrup]

Just build ships to scrap after

[lost abyss]

More interested if it counts for the kill as well.

[abstract gate]

Sorry, don’t have 9+k uc3 lying around 😉

[versed stirrup]

twice in 1 month!

[desert laurel]

maybe it'll be easier in round 2

[abstract gate]

Fingers crossed 🤞

[versed stirrup]

I'm left with 200 rare directive, so it'll be to late ...

[rare violet]

Is the stonn Event working correctly?

The armadapart to bei exactly

[frosty notch]

does he really worth it? 🙂

[versed stirrup]

Resource Deployment give 56/100 points for stonn part 1 and it's also a G3-G5 spending event

[velvet crypt]

They say it's f2p but raise the requirements so no f2p can achieve it 🤣

[sour lotus]

They did raise the requirements substantially agreed, but it is possible as f2p. Also quite easily if you plan ahead and save stuff.

[bitter yoke]

If it’s possible tell me how to spend rare and epic armadas when your a level 20

[frosty notch]

🤷‍♂️

[tropic sundial]

$$$

[bitter yoke]

Same here😂

[frosty notch]

doesnt help, need ops 23 to start armadas

[bitter yoke]

Could that be false advertising 😂

[ripe grail]

You just have to hoard mats and spend them only during these types of events.

[tropic sundial]

ya ik that but still will cost $$$ to speedup to ops 23

[bitter yoke]

Guess I’ll have to go the old fashioned way $$$&🤣

[alpine snow]

You can also spend $$$ on a time machine to the future 🤣🤣

[bitter yoke]

😂👆

[gray ravine]

You would think that as many times as the community has complained about this that scopely would finally do something about it, but alas, they have once again run a flawed armada event. So let's see if they listen this time:. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH RARE AND EPIC ARAMADAS TO GO AROUND WHEN YOU RUN EVENTS THAT REQUIRE THEM. ADD MORE!

[earnest hornet]

The armada event is 48 hours, you have plenty time to run them, and respawns are faster then they have ever been since they redid the spawn rates

[gray ravine]

Not everyone has time to sit around and wait for open armadas. Some of us have commitments that mean we have limited windows of playing time. I just wasted an hour looking through system after system to try and find open rares to run, because this is the time I had to play today. Completing an event shouldnt be that difficult where you have to log in every hour and scan for opportunities, only to find none and have to waste more time coming back later

[earnest hornet]

Again it’s 48 hours, there’s plenty of time once people finish their milestones they won’t be running them

[ember walrus]

Swarm armadas count for starts if you are 35+ with a frankie a. If that helps anyone

[spiral idol]

the probleme is not enough rare armade if you run worf

uncommon should count atleast in this one or give more point for defeat rare 1500 is nothing

[waxen sedge]

It is the same structure as the impress me event from Jaylah, you are going to have a really hard time if you are just trying to join others armadas, you need to be able to start them to finish easily.

[gray ravine]

You honestly think it's a good plan to run an event where you have to waste an hour just looking for an armada to run? What if I can't play tomorrow? Maybe I'm traveling for work? The events should be able to be completed when you can play. There should be sufficient availability for all players

[waxen sedge]

You literally could not find a rare armada of any level at all to run?

[ember walrus]

Other than swarm super difficult on my server currently

[earnest hornet]

So none of your alliance has run any armadas recently?? Communication in an alliance is integral, if there’s time constraints ask the alliance for help, try to get the jump in armadas that are run,

If you have plenty people around looking, it’s not too hard,

[hollow fossil]

and if you can only join armadas? Kinda defeating the intent here

20k for starting a rare or 1.5 for defeating one, not sure what math was used here

[eager hollow]

Anyone else trying swarmadas??? We are getting points for setting but not for winning,my event description excludes eclipse armadas but says nothing about swarmadas

[plucky ermine]

It seema a bit the new armada meta is start as many at the same time at the same place and msg support for a refund

[tame inlet]

restart or see announcement channel here

[ember walrus]

That is correct for how i scored 10k points per start 0 for win/loss

[earnest hornet]

Because they aren’t normal armadas like always have been, they use normal directives so hence the starting points but no they don’t give points for defeating.

[earnest hornet]

Well DJs announcement 😂 official didn’t post it 😂

[tame inlet]

Yeah just noticed that...😆

[ember walrus]

4 normal rare starts or 8 swarm starts will complete the event. Good luck all

[elder gyro]

Stolen lol

[olive mortar]

any website with daily events?

[frosty notch]

this? 🙂

day 7 today

[ember walrus]

https://www.stfc.ovh/

[olive mortar]

yes!

oh god thanks!

[south arrow]

Every armada events turns out to be garbage never enough armadas

[frosty notch]

2 days event

everyone wants to complete it in first hours )

[wary oxide]

Anyone else finding armadas starting at the exact same time are not providing a prompt and the timers are changed so they aren’t matched?

[frosty notch]

its called lag 😉

[wary oxide]

We’ve had lag before

[frosty notch]

sure, it happen in prime time

[wary oxide]

Previously, during prime time lag, the timers would not be effected. Armadas started at the same time would have the same timer.

[desert laurel]

it happens, just take ss and send it to CS if your armada didn't start, they've always refunded me when it happens to me

[frosty notch]

yes, when you alliance already started this armada you should have a confirmation window

[nova blade]

You Introduce cloaks then a big armada event…. You’re feeding trolls the ability to destroy this game for the groups of people. You either don’t care about your player base or have some incompetent people coming up with game “improvements”

[frosty notch]

its not the same even when different alliances starting armada at same time

[frosty notch]

they care about trolls who bought those cloaks 🙂

[wary oxide]

Armadas started at the same time don’t have the confirmation window. They should however have the same time. So this IS different than situations in the past. Never thought of cloaking effecting it but checked with both players. They weren’t cloaked

[frosty notch]

no ) cloaking just used to kill starter )

its another problem

[nova blade]

Yep a couple trolls are more important then a couple alliances to them…. They really need to introduce a counter to someone just taking out the person running the armada within second of the start, if you have a couple people do it it’s impossible to do armadas

[frosty notch]

wargame 🙂

but with cloaking its not even possible to guard armadas

trolls heaven

[desert laurel]

they will introduce a counter, but just like in star trek, the cloaks happened first, then the countermeasures

[eager hollow]

@earnest hornet @ember walrus restarted and event description updated. Thanks but shame as swarmadas would be nice addition

[ember walrus]

Dang got mine done with swarm before the change

[south arrow]

It’s hard to get cs to respond when it takes them 4 days to respond and you have sent 4 different messages

[nova blade]

Haha! Wargame 😆😆😆😆

[frosty notch]

war of wallets 🙂

[somber flame]

Stonn armadas event SUCKS.

[ember walrus]

Could be worse could be epics only

[pale kestrel]

or one faction only epics

[fathom shuttle]

Wait, starting Swarmadas does not count anymore?

[ember walrus]

Apparently

Some sap is gonna need to test

[fathom shuttle]

Description just talks about engaging and defeating. I am relatively sure that is just to silence those that complain about not getting the 1.5k for defeating

I started one 1.5hrs ago and it still counted.

[ember walrus]

Cool lets hope it may be crazy to run them at sub 40 but at least they are available

[fathom shuttle]

We just beat them with 3 ships. XD

In fairness 2* 1M and 1* 3.9M

It seems like a good moment to get some additional jaylah shards.

[glossy fog]

swarmada currently working

[remote ferry]

Why would you hijack a ship and remove the cloak? It's like boosting a car and ditching the stereo.

[desert laurel]

maybe part of the cloak's still there, no fuel, no key, or some other critical component is missing. Anyway, the devs were evaluating the hj'd ships to see if they want them to cloak

[remote ferry]

maybe

Would just give my unscrappable ship some use.

Considering at ops 34 I still get blueprints for them 😂

[robust vapor]

Because I see you coming to steal my car, so trashed my stereo first 😮 you're lucky the whole car wasn't a burning wreck! 😆

[remote ferry]

Well that's just rude

[robust vapor]

Rude? Oh dear. I thought it was normal practice to scupper a vessel instead of losing it to the enemy 😬

[remote ferry]

lol

If you can't have it, nobody can. Right?

[robust vapor]

Exactly! Especially military hardware and national secrets 😬 burn it all!

[remote ferry]

😂

My stereo doesn't cloak my truck unfortunately.

[robust vapor]

It's not a great analogy, but he started it 😅
In the warship you'd be scuttling (why did I say scupper?..) your ship after the engagement is obviously lost already, so it's past the time for cloaking 😬

[ashen linden]

This armada event is pos! Where are all the armadas?? Another well thought out failure

[wanton quiver]

How do I have 11 points when I have only completed 1 3 point event?

[wide girder]

it's not amazingly obvious tbh, but you need to complete the sms armada event to get a total of 35 points so far. the rest of the points will follow in future events.

[wide girder]

35 points total so far

[wary oxide]

Wasn’t his question I believe. @wanton quiver I don’t even think 11 points is possible! So well done haha

[pale steppe]

❓If a player buys the Battle Pass Elite track late in the month, do they still collect all the previous elite track milestone rewards?

[thick ermine]

Do swarmadas count for heart of stonn sms?

[thick ermine]

Yes

[pale steppe]

People are saying yes

[tame inlet]

You get the points for directives spent.No points for winning or losing.

[west ingot]

great work scop. Well done 😅 🙈

great work scop. Well done 😅 🙈

[toxic plover]

Heart of Stonn👎. Drain us of all epic and rare armada crap over the last 2 months and just keep piling it on until we purchase, give up on event or just stop playing. Thanks for the event fatigue on over used criteria. You all are real peaches scopley🤬

[desert laurel]

what did you use your free 2100 directives on?

[random tide]

@wanton quivereach tier of the armada event is 8 points.

8*4=32

i like that they set it up like that personally

[twin solstice]

Why did the Armadas get changed from Deal Damage as original said

IF it had said initiate attacks as it does NOW, people would of had a better understanding to NOT use those Rare Armadas passed out

This is from just 4 DAYS ago

[cunning radish]

it's still deal damage

also if u used all your armadas already with an armada event coming up...that's on you

[strong seal]

You would still need to spend directives to "initiate attacks". No where did they claim uncommons would count for "dealing damage". No where is it stated how much damage you would have to deal either to know how many would need to be run.

[twin solstice]

No, not on our server at least. Its been changed to Initiate attacks and Destroy your targets

[strong seal]

Can you destroy them without dealing damage?

[cunning radish]

destroy/damage same difference really

[twin solstice]

Dealing damage doesnt require you to get points from starting

It isnt the same

[cunning radish]

they are NEVER 100% clear in the news about events

NEVER EVER

let it be a lesson to learn now

to save things

[strong seal]

So its a bonus you get points for calling and for defeating!

[solar fog]

I started 2 rare and 1 epic low level armada this morning and completed the event. Too easy. They gave us 2100 directives to use for these events.

[twin solstice]

And an Epic worf that its paired event used Armadas for too

Again, changing it to starting would of made saving them more important

[solar fog]

Yep I just didn’t use any for that event

[cunning radish]

they gave u 2100 FREE rare credits. if u spent them already, thats on you

[twin solstice]

No, You put out an event calender and people can PLAN what they will use through the ARC you dont CHANGE the Criteria Days prior

THATS ON THEM

[cunning radish]

as i said

they change/modify it all the time

its an event with armadas? learn to keep some armada tokens

[solar fog]

Last time they gave us directives I used them and learned my lesson. Saved them this time.

[indigo totem]

More Rare Armadas needed on server 9! Order Up! 🛎️ 🛎️

[solar fog]

Plus I watched and listened to DJZ

[random tide]

@nova valley perfect disagreement here for you to drop the breakdown you gave yesterday on the difference. 🙂

[wanton quiver]

If that was actually the case I’d have a total of 19 points in those screenshots. 2nd tier of the armada sms was 19k points

[twin karma]

Thank you Scopely for your stupidity and short sightedness again. Limited armadas with a shitty refresh rate. And 2 mining events in the same day..

[wanton quiver]

Honestly ain’t that bad. It’s basically launch three, participate in 7 more (10 armadas) in 48 hrs

Getting an epic officer ain’t supposed to be easy

[random tide]

@wanton quiverthats how it scored for me. every tier completion for me was 8 points

[ripe jungle]

No, but you can damage them without destroying them…

[candid edge]

How is this even possible?

[ripe jungle]

How is what even possible?

[candid edge]

Scoring 1 pt when the minimum is 3.

[ripe jungle]

Ah didn’t see that. It seems like completing milestones in the other events does give partial credit which isn’t spelt out here. I had 16 points from armada before I got the last milestone and another 16 points iirc.

[wanton quiver]

Apparently there is credit for partial completion

[strong seal]

And they give points for losing

[ripe jungle]

Look, damaging armadas is a completely different event mechanic from this one. Stop arguing about it. This is an armada mechanic yes, and it’s possible to complete this event yes, but it is NOT “deal damage”.

[indigo perch]

I think 3 starts get you close

[strong kayak]

This is two impossible/GARBAGE events in two days...
NOT impressive, but not unexpected from $copely

[desert laurel]

what was the other "impossible" event?

[strong kayak]

worf... both of these are stupid

why in the hell limit the types of these worthless armadas that we can do? what's the point besides to piss people off?

[desert laurel]

I'd imagine that limiting the targets gives them greater control over how the event is supposed to be completed

[strong kayak]

You're missing the point

[desert laurel]

allowing eclipse, for example, would make it far too easy to do

[strong kayak]

why control it like that

only purpose is to piss people off

NOBODY wants to be tied to this game like that

[candid edge]

If you see a rare or epic armada, start it. If it's already started then blow the other team up.

[desert laurel]

then skip the event if it causes you so much anger

I think you're missing the point of video games

[strong kayak]

and advance less and less

[candid edge]

@strong kayak with the g5 expansion, more f2p players are leaving 🙂

[strong kayak]

scopely has MOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRREEEEEEE than enough chokeholds on player advancement in this game

It's worse than that Roy... PAYING players are leaving

[merry fulcrum]

Yep keep killing the game

[candid edge]

So the sooner people leave the game, the more armadas there will be to run

[merry fulcrum]

The devs are dumb to kill the game

Also rare armadas are already on a 15 minute respawn and epics on 30

Literally no need to fight over them

[candid edge]

Well yes, paying players as well. Just wait for more people to leave and there will be an abundance of armadas. This is just a problem for now but the solution is already in place.

[merry fulcrum]

Yeah G6 so ska and diz can pay for all the spenders

[strong kayak]

Yes... kill the game, and then there will be plenty for everyone

[merry fulcrum]

That quit

By this point g3 needs to be as easy to get as g2. Like the refinery should be dumping hundreds of common and dozens of uncommon per refine..

But nope, still takes over a year to max a ent as a free to play even with saving up

[desert laurel]

too early for that, let the whales get situated into g5 first

[strong kayak]

People leave because they can't advance. They play the game to enjoy it. NOT to sit in front of their phone for HOURS trying to jockey for a drastically insufficient number of armadas.

[merry fulcrum]

Whales already are 🤣😂 ska got a 5* at 55

[desert laurel]

that's him, our server's top whale still only 51

[strong kayak]

One of these days when I'm not spending ALL GD DAY trying to complete events I'll categorize and list all of the choke points that $copely has put in the game to curtail player advancement.

[merry fulcrum]

Even better

Someone already has the 60 ship whales are definitely situated already

He probably could've just sent the $$ to someone and got him a home instead 😂🤣

[graceful shard]

Who has a lvl 60?

[merry fulcrum]

I'm trying to figure that out rn, someone posted it in the ship info discord I used to run

[graceful shard]

It isn’t ska he is 55

[desert laurel]

it's only been a week and people are clamoring for scopely to phase out g3 already, it's just too early

they're already ramping it up, huge lat event yesterday and pushing people to build. Just give it a little time for the nudge to move us into g4

[merry fulcrum]

It's not too early if we're being honest

[strong kayak]

STOP THE GD CHOKE HOLDS

[merry fulcrum]

They could literally double the 3* amounts and it'd still be slow to progress through 3* while keeping up on research, upgrades, and maintaining good 3* fav ship

On average a free to play in mid 30s got 2,500ish of each uc a month... That's only enough for one gun upgrade of a t4 34 ship

[random tide]

if they doubled all g3 intake, it would probably take a year to go through 1 to 39 and have a t8 epic with a ton of research

[merry fulcrum]

Nah it wouldn't, takes 4 3/4-6 months to get past t6 with a epic free to play without spending any of said mat

[random tide]

thats why i included the research

the research is just as much as an epic

just to finish all my battleship and generic combat stuff, i need like 9k ore alone

not inlcuding what i need for explorer and interceptor research

[merry fulcrum]

Yeah so that's about half a year on its own

[dapper drum]

Free to plays are not meant to get to end game content, it will be their great grandchildren who do

Accounts will be family hairlooms

[earnest hornet]

the story is Ska 😄

😉

[neat mirage]

is it an alt? His S17 account is still at 55...

[earnest hornet]

😄 hahaha thats the joke, I'm sure he'd actually just love to be there by now if he could

[neat mirage]

I suspected it was a troll because 15b rep seems impossible but I was not sure 😅

[bitter snow]

It's only impossible, if you already spent the armada directives that scopely handed out at beginning of arc...

otherwise, start 4 rares 🤷‍♂️

still leaves 4, and 2 over for your own time...

material spending I totally get, depends so much on whether you've got the stash saved up

[crystal lintel]

Anyone know if we will have a chance to purchase a vidar before the stonn event that requires it if you're 25-27? I don't have one yet and it would suck to not be able to unlock him at all.

[uneven peak]

Potentially, it depends when the BP Borg/swarm event happens. It's normally on sale when that runs

[bitter snow]

Usually they put it in the cash store when there's an event that requires it...

But not sure if that'll work for the timing/ event trigger if you're not already 28

[crystal lintel]

So I'm screwed

That really sucks

I won't be able to participate in those events.

[ripe jungle]

They may have a substitute event, they’ve done that in the past for 25-27s without a vidar.

[desert laurel]

wait til the event to see your options

[dapper drum]

best option is just don't do it

don't conform! rebel!

[crystal lintel]

They've got it in their notes that for 25-27 you need a vidar to complete the event

[ripe jungle]

Notes?

[vivid tendon]

Billboard in your base, its in the form of a news item. Describes all non battle track events during arc. We get one each arc.

[ripe jungle]

If you mean just the schedule, it also says eclipse event is 28+ so you’re sol anyway.

But the 4/10 announcement says “exact events may depend on level”

Which is actually weird. You can build the Stella at 27… why is it 28+?

Not to mention that dealing damage to eclipse doesn’t need a Stella

You only need to complete 4 of the 3 point events to finish the meta event. Possibly you can get an unlock even without borg and eclipse?

Ugh no, eclipse and doomsday aren’t even in part one 🤦‍♂️

[cursive peak]

Top is Diz at 57 right now

[cursive peak]

That image is from a dev

[cunning stone]

Armada Assault if you’re level 20-22 is insane - you can’t spend your own armada directives, so you’re completely dependent on your alliance to include you in 40-50 rares and epics. And there aren’t even enough targets for the server, so it’s not like this is a moneymaker where your teammates buying directives would help.

[ripe jungle]

Even scopely doesn’t agree with you 😂 they fixed the description

[waxen sedge]

Why can't you spend your own directives? Serious question, I don't remember what ops 20-22 was about.

Oh, probably no ACC? When does that start, lol, I forgot it wasn't earlier.

[wintry cypress]

ACC is lvl 23 and up

[lavish hinge]

as others have noted, you're kind of screwed anyway bc some of the events are 25 and 28+ anyway. 4/10 is free to obtain, but only if you're ops 28+. Below that, you'll only get partial shards. Scopely is trying to push people up to the high 30's or even 40's.

[elder gyro]

Tbh you should push for 39 then sit

Para bellum is one of the best events by far

I was literally the strongest 39 now im the strongest 40

I was pushing way past 25 mil at 39

[lavish hinge]

Unc is still a wall that's hard to push through in G3. I'm at 31, and will be at 34 by Christmas. But i doubt i'll get much further than that.

[merry fulcrum]

K cool, good to know

[crystal lintel]

I thought you were supposed to be able to get him 25+ if you have a vidar?

[nova valley]

Incorrect. If you don’t meet the ops requirement for tat days event you will get a sub event for ops 20+

So for borg players 24 and down will get a secondary event. Or 27 and down if you don’t own a vidar. And for exchange olayers 27 and down, the same

[nova valley]

You can get him 20+ but you may not get borg event if you are 27 and down with no vidar or 24 and down guaranteed. You’ll get a secondary event

So go do that mining! Still have an hour. Need 100% participation! (Elite bp shards, 99 bp pack, and gift shards from days 1-3 provide a buffer if needed)

[lavish hinge]

Ah, is that noted in the news channel? It specifically says (for today's event, for example) that Borg Battle is 25+ w/ Vidar or 28+. Doesn't say anything about a secondary event.

[nova valley]

It was not noted. I’m just telling people so they don’t fret. Lol

So go do it! The path is still open!

[lavish hinge]

Gotcha. I think though, those that aren't ops 23 won't get 4/10. There's not a great way for them to complete this armada event, since the milestone was still 75k and they can't run the armadas.

[nova valley]

Ops 20+ still have a complete f2p path to 4of10!

[lavish hinge]

(I'm not in that boat, just making note)

[lavish hinge]

Thanks for the clarification!

[nova valley]

Ohhhh very true. But they just have a much deeper grind. Alliances should be aware of these players and make sure they get to play in as many as possible.

That’s 50 armadas. Woof. BUT it is a 48 hour sms. So they still have one more day.

But dang. That’s a lot of armadas hahahahhaa

But yes. I would say that a sufficient dangled carrot exists to get those players pushed to level 23 at least haha

[lavish hinge]

I've seen at least one person complete without running one. But it obviously takes some dedication to get in that many. And a lot of help from their alliance since they won't have the power to just sit in every armada.

Probably would have been nice of Scopely to lower that top threshold down a bit for them. But oh well.

[nova valley]

Yeah, but design wise they have a goal as wel. Pushing progression. G5 is here. gotta move em on up.

That said I completed mine just this morning and only started 2 rare. So I got 40k. Did the other 35k with participation. But yeah. It was a lot. I like to save my rares when I can. Helps in auctions.

24 armadas. Took awhile lmao

I do think I played in 2-3 epics tho. That helped

[lavish hinge]

Same strat here. I'm at 49.5k without starting one myself, hoping to save some directives for future events.

[nova valley]

Good strategy tho.

And overall, good event design. Allows a deeper grind if you wanna reallocate those provided resources.

But provides a clear path no matter how you approach it. Good design.

[bitter snow]

12 hours straight 😂

[nova valley]

Well. Since they aren’t starting any they don’t need the full 15 min to wait technically. But yes. It’s still a massive effort and requires a great deal coordination.

Curious. Did an ops 22 get the same gift chest? Do they get directives in dailies? I’ve never looked. Do they get a huge bank of saved directives for when they DO build the acc?

[bitter snow]

Technically... but all the advice to the low level players is centered around "just build one ship, skip others"... they may not be able to attend parallel armadas

[nova valley]

If they play in some. Do they have a huge bank of credits for when the armada chests show up? Lol

[bitter snow]

possibly...

[nova valley]

I mean if they’re staggered by 5 min they could get 3 per 15 min cycle. If all was perfect. Warp timers taken into account. Die. Fly back.

[crystal lintel]

Yep. And you can open the core chest before you hit 23. So I already had a ton of cores for building and upgrading

[cunning stone]

Not really. I’m at ops 20. I’m not going to rush ops to 23 during one event just to get one officer, and sacrifice all the other research and building that should take place during those levels.

[cunning radish]

Doesn’t matter at that level

You’re not sacrificing anything really

Research will still be there

Chance to get the officer won’t be

[waxen sedge]

100%, whoever is in your ear saying you should wait at an ops level until you do a while bunch of stuff, tune them out. Frankly at 20 you should probably rush as fast as possible to 24 and get the Kumari, 20-23 are dead zones.

Idk, it's been a year and a half since then, but that was the play when I did it, I still have my vakhlas and kehra at lvl 5.

Maybe level 10 since it was free, I can't recall

[cunning radish]

I remember way back when ..

Being a struggling mid 20s with my vahlk

So glad I didn’t tier it past t6 and went straight to sally

Saved a lot of resources lol

[frosty notch]

good event )

kill 3 borgs = done

[nova valley]

not gonna work for all players obviously. but it's their intention, to motivate progression

[cunning radish]

Do you know why

Of our curiosity

[covert arch]

same

[wild pawn]

I only have to kill 1 lvl 30…

[nova valley]

the game is progressing. g5 is here. their desire is to move people up to be able to partiicpate in the newer expansions, or at least some of the newer content geared towards higher level players.

[nova valley]

what's your ops? lol that's awesome

[wild pawn]

31

[nova valley]

that's fantastic! enjoy your free day! finish knocking out those armadas!

[wild pawn]

I’m technically a 30 because I skipped 30 for worf

[cunning radish]

I’m ops 34 and it’s 650 points

For max. Lol

[wild pawn]

For all the defense platforms

[nova valley]

i need substantially more LOL at 41, it's 80k points. 50 hostiles for me. STILL fine. 2 runs for me. i ain't complaining

[wild pawn]

And I already finished the armada event, super easy when scopely gives you like 3k directives the week before

[frosty notch]

depends on server population ) if they are not killed by cd 🙂

[wild pawn]

It was a little difficult because rares were hard to find because server 30 has a lot of players

Just finished today’s heart of stonn event

[viral sail]

Ops 37. Need to kill 5 probes to max the event. I'm not complaining 🙂

[wild pawn]

Easy event is nice but I wish it had me kill a couple more

[viral sail]

No one is stopping you 😛

[wild pawn]

Oh I’m not wasting this cell lmao

I haven’t killed borg in a while, I’ve been getting a lot of nanoprobes from away teams

I really should kill federation hostiles for the last 200k romulan rep I need to be positive with them

[ember walrus]

Ops 35 here 2 33s and basically done 2x

[wild pawn]

Could’ve had it a while ago if I actually killed them

[ember walrus]

I cant be bothered i have 2 million probes currently

[nova valley]

then don't do it for the probes. do it for your kills and 4of10 shards/points, and then go home. lol

[ember walrus]

I did

[chilly crater]

when is the next rush to ops 23 event

I'm almost done with level 22 researches and buildings

[desert laurel]

if I were to guess, it'd be in the interim period, but those aren't scheduled so hard to know for sure. Either way, I wouldn't plan around one minor event like that

[rigid gorge]

Sometimes they also make it so you get points for leveling a building to the same ops level if you’re 23 already. At least, that happened when I leveled to 26.

[small briar]

Guys, quick question: Shouldn't the Event Mission (tactical probes) be doable by everyone? How am i supposed to kill tactical probes without ever having a chance of getting Vidar Blueprints? (well, i bought 10 BP from Galaxy Tokens) a few days ago, but until then i never had a chance or mission getting it

[nova valley]

per the IGN, if you don't have a vidar, you must ops 28 or higher.

so this was in the IGN, and HOPEFULLY you got a gift chest of cells. gonna have to take that sally and do your best.

but for the record, you DEFINITELY should have a vidar by ops 28. make that a top priority. it's a HUGE ship and super super useful.

[small briar]

yeah, sure - but i started playing like a couple of weeks ago and since then there was only once a chance to get 10 BP for it (which i got)

and no, no gift chest

nm, just popped up, lol

My wife is killing me if i spend money again this month, hehe .... she wants a e-piano 😉

[smoky kettle]

Next time scoply gives out rare directives I'm booking nostradamus for counsel, if you just participate not host 🤯

[mighty escarp]

Fake link

[gusty marsh]

Very fast question if I may, if it was asked prior I apologize. They rewarded "Rare" Armada tokens, but there are three events based on these Armadas. Will they award more of these tokens, or was that it? Thank you

[desert laurel]

I've seen no indication that they'll gift more rare armada tokens, I'd plan for what you have

[gusty marsh]

@desert laurel What I thought, but it could not hurt to ask. Thank you very much

[smoky kettle]

I think we got what we will get for rare, hopefully the alliance together can get everyone there points

So we got 2 extra transwarp count on needing 10 👍✊🖖

[nova valley]

Dannnng ops 28 in a couple of weeks!!!! That’s awesome! BUUTT hold back hahahaha you’re progressing beyond your capabilities with regards to ops. You’re gonna have to play a little catch-up. In the next event store focus on the vidar. Also need to get your Franklin moving too. Wouldn’t move past ops 28 til you get some things caught up. Everything in this game is “gauged” on ops. So moving up when you’re not ready for those level of events will frustrate ya.

But welcome to the game! Feel free to join my discord for content. We do YouTube and a radio show style podcast plus just discord content with hints and tips and strategy. Could help!

[small briar]

Sure, will do 🙂 - still a little bit annoyed about the Borg event, but i guess that's the price to pay for progressing too fast. Nevertheless, i believe there should at least be a chance to get those points. Make it hard to get, for sure, make it a real pain to get, but basically blocking from participating this event because i didn't get a certain ship yet... dunno, sounds or rather looks like an oversight to me. Sorry for my English btw, being German it is my second language.

[desert laurel]

your options are limited unless you're willing to pay

[rigid gorge]

It happens sometimes; when I was still level 25 I was given a leaderboard I couldn’t participate in because it required a faction ship—which you can only build at level 26. In this case at least it does make more sense to me; I never heard of anyone getting to 28 in a few weeks before. I had all the blueprints for the Vi’Dar before hitting level 25.

The assumption built into the game is that you will have built it several levels earlier than 28.

[ripe jungle]

Well I took 5 months to get to 28 and I still didn’t have all the bps for the vidar 😂

[rigid gorge]

But maybe a really good Saladin over a million in strength will help

[ripe jungle]

There was a huge gap between event stores

[rigid gorge]

The last arc did last 5 months. I’ve been playing for a while. And using cosmic cleanup ever since the event came up for me.

[ripe jungle]

The only rush to ops events I’ve ever encountered were two in riker month. First one needed me to get to 26 and second one to level any building to 26.

[rigid gorge]

I started seeing the rush events last year.

[ripe jungle]

Those two were in that month’s event schedule

[desert laurel]

only saw one, and I think it was at the same time as cow, hence my guess for interim period

if they're scheduling them now, that's good

[ripe jungle]

Must be quite infrequent i guess

[rigid gorge]

Infrequent has been my experience.

[sour lotus]

Someone in my alliances is ops30 and needs only 100 points to finish the complete event. That is killing one lvl30 for 144. Sounds very doable even without vidar.

[desert laurel]

how many pts do you need?

[rigid gorge]

Depends on strength! I’m not the one with the issue though

[desert laurel]

yeah, if the number of pts needed is low, it sounds doable without a vidar. Just need to vulture a weakened target

[rigid gorge]

Just making a guess that depending on the state of the player’s ships, it could work

[small briar]

Well, as i cannot kill the probes with my Kumari (400k) sadly all 100 points 😉

[desert laurel]

While I don't think there'll be enough weakened targets to make it a good option. You could camp the system for something weak and sneak in a kill if you were determined enough to finish the sms. But 28 with just a kumari is way behind in ship development so there'll just be some things you have to skip

[rigid gorge]

Are you playing alone or in an active alliance? Having an alliance won’t solve this problem now, but being around other players who talk about their play might help you figure out what to do to get where you want to go in general. That’s part of how I hear about what people think of the different ships and when they use them.

How high they can go in power, what they want to use to hit certain hostiles. That sort of thing. It can help you plan.

[whole briar]

Evening 👋 Will there soon be an event to spend g3/g4 mats? Thought there would be a recruit like that for 4/10 but is just the sms

[rigid gorge]

I think that’s tomorrow

To be clearer (because time zones): next event reset

Just checked; yes, g3-5 spending is the 48-hour event which follows armada assault

[carmine portal]

Why does the free track pay more mats than the premium track in the battle pass?

[desert laurel]

why do you want it the other way around?

[merry fulcrum]

Cause good rewards, you're just paying for a few extra mats, for $20

Jesus people complain about the free to play friendly features

[ember walrus]

Don't mess with a good thing

[merry fulcrum]

Like do they want scopely to decrease the rewards more than they already have?

I mean last arc I played they removed badges from the free part... That's a big hit to free to plays...

So they're already doing a good job of nerfing free part without decreasing mats

[carmine portal]

Wasn’t complaining. Just a simple question.

[merry fulcrum]

Fair enough, question comes off like why should free to plays get as many mats as the bp gives to me

[celest cloud]

Because once upon a time the daily BP events gave BP points and actual rewards.

They removed the rewards from the events and added them into the free track of the BP to allow people to choose whether to participate in all events or not.

This means the free track is more heavily loaded, but the Elite BP still gives a sizable bump, as well as recruit shards and other bonuses.

[ember walrus]

I kinda forgot about that was only 2 arcs of that method for me

[analog fiber]

So you started playing 2 weeks ago? I've been playing since mid July and I am only ops 25

[lavish hinge]

They've obviously put some money into it. That's the only way.

Ops 31 here and i've been at it for about 10 months total, with a 3 mo inactive stint in the middle of it

[carmine portal]

Right... I knew it was something like that. Couldn't remember. Ops 39.... been playing close to 3 years now.

[abstract gate]

Elite BP doesn't give that much of a sizable bump. I mean, nothing to brag in the locker room about.

For those of you lagging in Corta Gamma, just get out of your Vidar and hit the probes with your fists. Much faster.

[merry fulcrum]

Much faster than back in the day, at one time you had to pay or raid to get to 25.....

I remember when ops 18 was a barrier

[ripe jungle]

There will be many people who have rushed to 28 because of worf slb though I bet.

[iron slate]

Event called “complete new missions” appeared after i had completed the first five. I was not awarded points for those.

[abstract gate]

i rushed to 28 coz i got tempted by the fourth drydock

[earnest hornet]

Only thing to do is send in a ticket to CS

[strong kayak]

Someone forget to feed the hampsters powering the servers today??

#FunctioningAsIntended

[tropic quartz]

Anybody know when the next black jelly rumble is? Also looking for its payouts.

[formal birch]

no jelly run this month

but jelly BP open for any T3 TC so anybody can have it slowly

[bitter snow]

brawl is tomorrow I think, 14th?

and no pursuit this month, no

[tropic quartz]

Thank you @median slate

[bitter snow]

I was looking, as I need more uc explorer parts to manage the spend event starting today, luckily it just about overlaps 🙂

[dapper drum]

hopefully you are not planning on using any of that on the jelly

tier 4 is already substantially enough and can complete jelly brawl in 1 run

tier 2 if you only hit 38's 😂

[bitter snow]

yep, should hit t5

I'm fine with my choices 😂

[unkempt pecan]

Has anyone worked out how the alliance exocamps work yet? No sign of them anywhere, other than the activation screen they’ve put into the game. But no actual alliance exocamps in sight….

[neat mirage]

you need ops 46+

[unkempt pecan]

Ahhhh, there u have it. Ok. Thx. 👍

[abstract gate]

Scopley should reduce refinery cool down times, let us refine 3 times everyday

[frosty notch]

2nd refinery 🙂

[weak copper]

Refinery-A

[waxen sedge]

This seems like a decent idea at least for g2/g3, if there is going to be a goal/plan to hasten the journey through the lower levels due to the g5 content coming out.

[desert laurel]

not a fan of asking people to log in more and more to do things that could be done by just improving output

[lavish hinge]

why is there a cooldown at all?

[waxen sedge]

I hear that, but this seems like it would be an easy one to code/implement if there is going to be anything to make progression faster.

[waxen sedge]

They need to make money on the game, lol.

[lavish hinge]

I'm not sure how the cooldown does that? There's a limit to how much you can mine in a day.

[waxen sedge]

Yeah, but for me it's easily 4 times probably what I can refine, and if you are talking no cooldown on any of them we'd all pull the one chest over and over, it's ultra cheap. I could see making the highest pull, which is always the worst cost per chest, have a lower cooldown maybe, it would get you a little more faster at the expense of that higher cost.

[desert laurel]

I'd say that it'd cause a distortion in game population where high activity individuals are able to pull away further and faster from the average. Perhaps this'd affect the life cycle of the game that detracts from the game play or from profits. Haven't decided if good or bad yet

[abstract gate]

So you're saying login to the game , press 3 or 6 reifne buttons and go back to rl 3 times a day causes lots of time?😀

I'd rather do that than doing all the hostiles lol

[desert laurel]

more than one way to obtain raw g3

but yes, increasing number of refines can eat into sleep time

[abstract gate]

At least for me it is very slow to progress in game. May be I am out of luck 😔who knows

I think changing RNG code is complex than changing timer .

[desert laurel]

the example I think about is what they did during disco arc, the flash events that happened every hour on the hour. Sure you could finish it with just a few events, but there was an slb there and the winner of that one had to wreck his sleep to win it

[abstract gate]

Yep that makes sense

[ashen wharf]

They had a instance where we had infinite refines for like 30 minutes

They got mad at players

but tons of us that had a chance to do it had a fantastic time playing the game

It didnt cause any sort of problem that was game breaking and it made sense

currently refinery makes no sense

People come in once every 10 hours to work?

[ripe jungle]

Did the requirement for the missions event change? I’m ops 29 and I got it, but just noticed that in-game schedule says 32+?

[frosty notch]

🤷‍♂️

[ashen linden]

Hey Scopley can you guys unlock TOS Kirk for everyone to celebrate William Shatner’s achievement today?

[plucky ermine]

for ops 39 the material spend did decrease by about 10k to 161,5k - were there more significant adjustments for ops40?

[worldly kelp]

Great yet another day of Rare or Epic armada hunting. Really scopely. Come up with something different and stop reusing the same old tired events. You guy must be really bored over there by now.

[plucky ermine]

Today is about materials spent not armadas.

armada scoring mechanics are not favorable for this event

[south arrow]

What is scopley smoking? Will take 105 rare armada starts or 42 epic starts to finish stink even

[muted frost]

HURRAY, MY HORSE IS DEAD! ARMADAS AT STONN EVENT AGAIN! 😩 💩

[south arrow]

Of 15.5k of uncommon what the hell is that

[muted frost]

Scopely wants to make us getting naked.

[crude musk]

Are there comming Armada events every day now?!

[fathom shuttle]

I sincerely hope that stuff like rng values are not in Code but rather stored in a sort of database.... Hard coded values are a big no no.

[fierce cosmos]

/facedesk. More armadas... geeze, at least allow UC and allow us to use that to try to recoup the rare armada stock... and yes... we got 10 free... but 2 events require at LEAST 4 each.... or hope to attend enough armadas others run...

[worldly stratus]

Rare armadas for exchange are not gaining points even though there is nothing in the event description saying these don't count. This is for heart of Stonn SMS resources deployment.

[abstract gate]

Just stood up a regular Epic, no points

[versed ferry]

Haha 8,864 uncommon 4* just to complete these milestones just after doing the SAME thing for WORF and you want to run WORF and this officer again for another round with the same event milestones? Who has 35,456 uncommon g4 just sitting around at ops 41???

[vagrant juniper]

Has somebody made one of those nice event calendars this time? Tells you what the event's are and on what day?

[versed ferry]

Here we go with scopely offering a nice free epic officer. To good to be true? Yup. Way to good to be true.

I’d have to spend $200-300 just to get the uncommon for this “free” officer

[bleak sable]

I actually do have the unc. It's the common that is the problem for me, and the exchange rate for common in the 40s is absurd

[dapper halo]

Guys this is madness. When there was the Worf SMS event I think for ops 35 we needed to contribute 170k or 172k points something like that for the few Worf shards. Now they did some balance changes but still 152k for few Stonn shards. It's exactly 1.52k uncommon G3 mats. For this amount we usually get the whole officer in the SLB but at least about 20 shards, depending on the other players in the bracket. And we only get few points for the armadas as well. We got enough directives for 7 rare armadas but actually I need over 10 to complete this SMS. Do something Scopely please in the upcoming SMS events, balance it!!! And it's even more for higher ops players... It was a very promising arc when started but I becoming more and more sad...

[pale lantern]

You're right, Scopely has completely gotten out of hand

[ashen wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[dapper halo]

When you think that finally they changed their game design, giving fair offers and nice events but nope, they do the same, but on a different way. They only want your money, which I can get totally, they "work their ass out" to make the game enjoyable and fun, and it's not free, you have to pay your employees etc. I can totally get it, I do spend some bucks on the game regularly, but guys, when the bug fixes is longer in a patch then your content, then you do something fucking wrong and still want all the money in the world. Just change your attitude Scopely before expecting anything from your players, be fair and the players will be fair as well.

[spark zealot]

Now they did some balance changes but still 152k for few Stonn shards. It's exactly 1.52k uncommon G3 mats.
I'll take that - but no, it's 886k points for me for the third time (?) this battle pass... I don't get >8k G4 every 2 days, I'm terribly sorry...

[raw owl]

Im used to spending this much and not even placing top 10 in an auction SLB at ops 41. This is a welcome change for me.

Now I get to choose which new officers i unlock, understanding it probably isnt all of them, which is much better than during TNG arc.

[spark zealot]

true, but they announced a "free to play unlock" of that borg officer... that's false advertisement.

[lavish laurel]

Same again ........ go run armadas but where not gonna give you sourcing for the directifs you need

[dapper halo]

I have saved tons of worm armada directives but I think still much faster to complete killing hostiles.

[dapper halo]

I'm not sure, I remember over 170k but maybe I'm wrong. If they did not reduced the amount for higher level players like Vel mentioned, I'm pretty sure they did not reduce for me either, so maybe I remember wrong 😂

[spark zealot]

they might have lowered it from 900+ to just shy of it - but then again, we used to have a milestone or auction for G3/G4 once a week, maybe every other week. But no, this is (as far as I remember) the third time thats the case since last week... and I'm pretty sure neither my refineries nor any event in the mean time gives me that much ressources to spend - not even close.

And I most definitely did not receive enough armada directives for 59 (and a bit) rare armadas (and definitely none for epics to try to go for 24 of those)

But I'm not complaining - being in the 40s without spending thousands on the game each month was bound to be hard 👍

[spark zealot]

just checked - son of mogh was 933k so yes, they somewhat lowered that to 886k ... credit, where credit is due.

[abstract gate]

Not even done first tier 😆😆 cheers for this auwful event, its truly amazing

The only thing worse than this event is that awful Ent D skin…..I mean i know its free….but sweet jesus

[fresh peak]

Appreciate everyone's feedback. We are basically trying something else for epic officers this arc (Worf and Stonn) to replace the leaderboard events with different kind of events.
We will be looking to feedback (both good/bad) on this but specifically on how this compares to the traditional way epic officers were released (ie: via the leaderboards).

[hollow fossil]

1 in a month like this might have been a better idea

[lean garden]

The fact that I can go ops 30-31 and not even hit the first tier of rewards says something is a bit off

[hollow fossil]

and do the calc on what we make in mats assuming 0 packs bought and only counting events/battle pass starting at 0 mats, is it even possible to do the event in a month?

[fresh peak]

that's a great point. we usually have 1 epic officer per month... noted.

[abstract gate]

if you can add parsteel trit and delitium as spent resources - it will be possible to make event to all

[fresh peak]

Thanks. I am capturing everything everyone right here so i can send to the team as feedback

[dapper halo]

@fresh peak I just say if you want to do this way, then balance it, give it everyone with fair milestones not uber tryhard like now and tons of money needing. Or stick to the good old leaderboard, where you at least could save mats for about a month (until the next arc if you competed only in the first or only in the second SLB). This is even harder than the SLB imo.

[rigid gorge]

Having saved up directives and mats (as well as things to spend them on), I’m having a better time with Stonn than the other ways of acquiring epic officers (including Worf.)

[fresh peak]

The idea though is that everyone can get the shards (unlike the leaderboard) so it is meant to be easier overall.. That being said, I hear you on the difficulty and the required mats.

[rigid gorge]

I like ways to get them that don’t involve leaderboards or the money store

[latent gate]

has there anyone who has already figured out the new event schedule?
there should be recrutationevent considering the old rythm

[ripe jungle]

The entire station isn’t enough? The ops 29 station would finish my event I think if I built all the buildings

[hollow fossil]

add uncommon armada directives to the scoring for the armada events

doesn't have to be major points, but at least let them count

[lean garden]

I did the ops building and got 7500 points out of 119k

[rigid gorge]

I wasn’t as happy with the Worf event because the sms required me to earn more points than I sometimes needed for the epic TNG leaderboards, with a smaller payout, while the slb was tougher to complete with power

[ripe jungle]

Well the ops building alone doesn’t usually use much materials

[dapper halo]

@fresh peak I quite like it btw, but yeah, 2 epic officers, tons of material and directives spent needed it's not fair at all. At least for leaderboard before as I said you could save your mats for a month about. Now it's way more difficult to have the officer. Give more point for the armadas and for the materials, or lower the amount needed for the milestones. I'm struggling doing the milestones on ops 35, but as I see everyone is struggling even low level players and we have not talked about ops 40+ players, they even need out of space amount needings.

[ripe jungle]

Ops 31 is just 50 rare ore.

[peak cairn]

I like the concept a lot, just needs some tuning but otherwise I think this is a great way to introduce new epic officers

[hollow fossil]

assuming you have something to spend rare on

[fresh peak]

Appreciate the feedback. I agree that 2 epic officers in 1 month may not have been the best time to test a new way but we thought it will be better liked than the leaderboards. Will be sending all this feedback to everyone on the team and hopefully we can adjust in the future.

[ripe jungle]

What?

The building itself takes only 50 rare ore is what I’m saying, can’t expect it to count for much

[hollow fossil]

it might only be 50 rare for you, assuming you have a ship/building that you can SPEND it on

[lean garden]

Yes, but 1200 unc or some derivation thereof makes it ridiculously hard- how many speedups do you have to use to spend that much, unless you somehow saved it for something like a part on the Saladin

[ripe jungle]

Dude, wtf are you talking about?

[peak cairn]

It sucks spending heavily on a leaderboard only to get knocked out at the last minute and get basically nothing, and have no rss left for the next leaderboard

[hollow fossil]

having rare is one thing, being ABLE to spend it is another

[peak cairn]

So this is a big improvement

[ripe jungle]

You are completely missing the point. Going to ops 31 by just building the ops building alone just isn’t much of spending. No way you’re going to have an event that you can do just by spending 50 rare ore and you’re done.

That building is what you’re spending on, ffs. It just isn’t much spending.

[ashen wharf]

..

[ripe jungle]

If you built the entire ops 31 station, you’d complete the event.

Likely. At least at ops 29 you would.

[ashen wharf]

Are you forgetting the entire process of getting ahead too quickly which that would do for his dailies/etc

[lean garden]

I didnt say complete the event. I said "the first tier". I wouldn't expect to one shot it with the ops building

[fresh badger]

Seriously, you guys know what you are doing 😜 i don't believe that you really need or intend to "test" these things. You know exactly how much resources people get/have and from which point on they need to spend money to get a full officer. Better just admit that they are not meant to be for everyone/are supposed to pay for.

[ashen wharf]

Its like telling a 39 to just ops up and they get a even more redonkulous set of milestones lol

[hollow fossil]

i like the intent and the goal that you were going for, makes sense to let everyone get shards for the spend instead of high proability of no shards, but the goal posts need to match what an average player can get between each spend event for each ops level

[ashen wharf]

and just to "deal with it"

[ripe jungle]

I mean you can’t do your daily event either if you have nothing left to build. The spend auctions they did for the tng officers actually required more spending than these sms events, and I was in a lower bracket at the time.

[winged tulip]

So not planning on adjusting event this month? There's no way i can spend 30k g4 in a month without buying packs, so he's not free. And i suspect I'd have to buy a lot more than one pack to get both events finished.

Tbh the problem isn't just the insane costs, it's the suspicion that it's deliberate to fuel fomo pack sales, rather than an honest oversight. Which would make your feedback a little pointless..

[dapper halo]

There were 3 days between the 2 SMS event. The Worf one ended on Monday, and now Wednesday and another SMS event for Stonn. Impossible to get 1.52k uncommon G3 mats in 3 days, impossible in the game now. Ok, not if you have bought 5 Galatic Armada packs, but I bought only one. And this is only ops 35, I'm imagine how much is it on ops 41 or even higher. I could have handled this case from 500$, pretty sure it's about 1k for higher ops or even more 😂

[hollow fossil]

im kinda going to be in the same boat, ive managed to scrape enough spend for the first 2, but i don't think i can get enough for the next one, even if i don't spend on the worf one at all. when you need 1100 uncommon just to be able to click the button, yea, don't think that will happen in 7 days

[ashen wharf]

I didnt even bother with worf

[spark zealot]

Still, as UltimateDJ already said in #🌌-galaxy-chat - this month's sale pitch was a true "free to play, anyone has a chance" path to unlock things.
Glad this included the free enterprise skin.
it should also have included one of two officers - but looking at milestone requirements actually makes me sick to my stomach for ops 40+ (even worse the next bracket). how are you calculating those raised requirements? shouldn't it be in regards to your income?
do I get 5 times as much G4 as I get G3? do I get however many Steel, Tritanium and Dilithium in addition to speed-ups for the 30 to 60 or even 120 days I need to speed up to be able to spend that much G4?

the simple answer is no, and if you're not seeing it than I would be highly interested in the numbers behind it, because from a players experience - they don't add up.

[ashen wharf]

Lol

[ripe jungle]

If you only had enough for worf sms before that, yes sure you can’t do the rest.

[abstract gate]

Yeah, Scopely have a very weird way of making this “available to those on F2P”

[ashen wharf]

not gonna bother with this one

Didnt bother with any of tng

So i have alot of stock 🤣

[abstract gate]

“Available on F2P if you’ve never spent any uncommon or higher G3-G5 materials”

[ashen wharf]

For the past year

[hollow fossil]

kinda about right

sadly

[abstract gate]

Maybe half the SMS milestones, eh Scopely?

Fairly sure I’d have got the guy for less in an auction event 🤣

[ashen wharf]

Wish i was in a dead server

Then the milestones wouldnt matter

[abstract gate]

Was there an SLB already for this guy?

Load of us got different numbers of shards.

[ripe jungle]

For 3/10 the slb’s were over 500k points in my bracket, the two spend events for 4 are going to only be 120k each. That wouldn’t have been enough to even place in the slb’s,

[proven bluff]

The concept is quite good. The execution makes it feel like an intentional effort to drain all of our rss so players who want participate in these events next month are forced to spend $

[wide girder]

Tnx for the enty c skin. You could've washed it first!

[abstract gate]

It may well be.

[abstract gate]

Yikes 😬😂

[fierce cosmos]

I like the idea of having alternate ways to obtain the officers. Give us work to do, sure. But when you do events that are just unreasonable, it gets discouraging very quickly. You don't have to hand the officers out, but give us a reasonable way to achieve. We have 2 events that are spend directives, and at least 4 rare each. Then 4 material spend/directive events. When you have to pull out a spreadsheet and try to plan everything you do in the game it ceases to be a game.

[sonic swan]

Gets even more discouraging when you do the event and it doesn't give you the points and and gets stuck half way you have to file a ticket

[abstract gate]

And support tell you things you can prove otherwise, and refuse to do anything about.

[sonic swan]

Same thing last arc too@abstract gate

[abstract gate]

One of our members was looted after they broke his account linking it to Scopely ID, they we defended but he was out for a couple of days so he inevitably was emptied.

We watched him getting emptied, and they still argue that he wasn’t looted.

[sonic swan]

So tired of it when it's a GAME and supposed to be fun

[abstract gate]

So feedback being taken but your not adjusting the leaderboard targets? Brilliant….

[digital oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-gif-8873927

[abstract gate]

Nice way of saying dont care as people are probably spending on packs in store

[sonic swan]

It's the ticket system too is a joke

Fix the events so they work especially when they are such greedy events

[torpid light]

One resource spending event for stonn is very hard for most new 40+ players, two is not really a free to play unlock.

[south arrow]

Officers not free when you have to spend 50k uncommon

[keen citrus]

Where’s my comment gone?

[digital oxide]

I can’t be ersed… insert rant here 😂

[dire veldt]

It was deleted because you couldn't articulate yourself without swearing 😜

[abstract gate]

I used all my res on the worf event. Now everything needs like 7 packs for me to upgrade anything. This event sucks. And thats being polite so mods don’t block me…..

[stoic cedar]

What BS. How much uncommon/rare materials do I have to spend on Stonn event? Maybe some high level whales have the thousands required, but nobody else does. And nobody has any rare armadas left after running same thing for several days in a row. This is really a big Spender event. How does Scopely get off saying this is doable for everyone else? Again-BS!

[lean garden]

Events like this almost make me wish we could raid refined rss.

[lean garden]

I believe 1199 unc.

Guys, maybe I missed it, but what does "indescrimate" mean- did you mean indiscriminate?

[digital oxide]

8864 mats needed for me to complete event. I’m all spent at 6000.

And this event is running again on 17th you say?!?!

[abstract gate]

Did you do the worf event?

[digital oxide]

Never do auctions

[abstract gate]

The SMS I mean

[digital oxide]

Never get top spot to warrant doing them
No

[abstract gate]

True that. Definitely not for worf

And yh it’s a bit steep 😅

[digital oxide]

Just ever so slightly “a bit” 🤣

[main spindle]

Yet again scopely is screwing us free 2 play and the smaller pay2play people with this resource deployment SMS u say those that do all the heart of Stonn events will get 4 of 10 unlocked but it seems to me that this sms one only works for the whales yet again scopely sucks

[silent timber]

Just a quick observation, these back to back auctions are only driving the F2P players away from the game. The wallet warriors will spend and make scopely rich, but, the number of players that had quit in the last few months should be alarming to the future of this game.

I can personally account for 5 players quitting the game in the last two months. Yet, I don’t see new players, outside of players with alternate accounts.

[thorny heath]

Lvl 39 - 161k for resources spending solo, lvl 42 886k... Really? 🙈

[keen citrus]

I apologise, I put it down to provocation caused by Scopelys ignorance and greed 😘😂🤣

[dire veldt]

Much better 😉

[main spindle]

Here's a idea u gave us all those free directives for the armada event how about giving another free chest so people can spend the Armada directives on it. I ran out doing the Armada event portion of the heart of Stonn

[keen citrus]

I need 12000 directives to do the event.

[abstract gate]

Really scopely?

I don't have that much mats

Can't even score by completing armadas, have to run them?

[main spindle]

Yeah u can only get points doing armadas if u spend the directives people that join get no points for helping

[abstract gate]

I'm lvl 44, and while I have spent in the past I will not be spending to complete this event

[main spindle]

I spend only for the premium rewards pack for the arc cuz that's all I can afford to do so this event segment is a letdown

[wicked arrow]

If its a choice between this method of sourcing shards and auctions, I am 100% on board with this. At least you know how much you need to spend to unlock and are guaranteed. Nothing worse than spending 20-30k UC only for someone to spend 40k in the last 5m and you end up with zilch.

4 of 10 aint worth spending 17000 UC to unlock though

[abstract gate]

I'm starting to run low on trit too. Only have 1b left and a Valdore that needs 70+ million trit every time it blows up

[main spindle]

@wicked arrow knowing how much u need to spend and actually getting what you need to spend is 2 different things

[wicked arrow]

If you think Scopely is going to give away new epic officers for free you're living in a dream. If its this vs auctions this is thousands of times better.

Its a step in the right direction.

[main spindle]

U try getting 600 UC mats in one day tell me if its easy

[torpid light]

I am not sure that scopley really understand the amount of materials a basic player can earn. Otherwise they would realise than a single solo event of 8k for a new 40+ is months of saving. To run two back to back is silly.

[wicked arrow]

The 3 of 10 events, the winner spent over 100k and only one person gets a full unlock

[main spindle]

And then try to spend it when u have very little speedups and lat to use

[abstract gate]

You see the points and expenditure for worf. You read the upcoming events. How is anyone surprised?

[wicked arrow]

You guys are missing the point. This is an ALTERNATIVE method to SLB auctions.

[abstract gate]

Yeah, but if it’s not to make it more accessible, what is it for?

Bleeding everyone on the server dry of everything instead of the few that pay.

[wicked arrow]

How is it not more accessible than SLB auctions?

[abstract gate]

It is more accessible

[main spindle]

@wicked arrow i disagree its not a step in the right direction it's the same we cater to whales just in a different manner

[abstract gate]

It pays out exactly what it says it does for the price it shows

[abstract gate]

Because we’re going to end up picking and choosing which one we care to even try unlocking, while the whales still throw cash at getting all of them.

[stoic cedar]

It is not more accessible for the vast majority of us.

[wicked arrow]

So you want absolutely no way of obtaining the shards except through the auctions?

[abstract gate]

Some point the penny will drop.

Unlocking officers should be considered a bare minimum for an arc.

Bare minimum.

Additional tiers should be auctions/stupid levels of investment.

[main spindle]

@wicked arrow i still can't get them if i cant complete the event

[abstract gate]

But sitting there knowing you’re going to be outmined, outgunned and outmanoeuvred by whales who have officers you can only dream of is not fun.

[potent tartan]

Or at the very least have more uncommon and rare officers to offset the number of epics.. I think we've had 1 uncommon officer in 2021... around 10 epics

[abstract gate]

If it’s taken several arcs to get from not having a chance of unlocking officers in auctions to get to not having a chance of unlocking officers in SMS, you guys are on drugs and you’re gonna lost boatloads of players.

And when your whales have nobody to push around, they’ll quit too.

Having an officer should not be a pipe dream for a guy that spends north of £200 a month on a game.

I get someone that pays £2k a month on a game will land T5 officers with ships I can just about see the damage I inflict on, but not even having the bare minimum content?

You guys need someone to wander in and give you a reality check.

Sorry you feel that way bud, but it’s always been the same. Why spend 200 a month…?

I mean, FFS Max Chen’s a flipping pipe dream for half of your servers.

[abstract gate]

The promise that this month would be better.

That F2P would be able to get Four

That F2P would be close to unlocking Worf.

[torpid light]

Have I misread the news article. Seem to have only got the number shards in the armada assault event?

[sand crescent]

Dear Scopely,

"Heart of Stonn" is the best event name you've ever had.

But "Indescriminate"? Your spelling's awfully bad.

The new twist on Domination made me sad.

But a bonus refinery would make every one of us glad.

🖖

[abstract gate]

Take one moment to look this over

[abstract gate]

I’m limited to battlepass monthly and will do both

[abstract gate]

I call custard on that.

[wicked arrow]

I haven't decided on the BP monthly and can do both

[abstract gate]

Look at that list above, and tell me those are numbers you genuinely expect to be able to do, regularly.

[wicked arrow]

Stop spending mats/rss outside of events.

[abstract gate]

And I mean monthly. Not this month

[wicked arrow]

Save for officers you want, you don't have to always spend spend spend.

[abstract gate]

But that’s the issue.

Content that is released, officers that provide tangible benefit.

And a big FU to people who can’t / won’t pay for all of them to even just unlock it.

How is having that many incomplete officers anything other than unimaginably demoralising for players?

I repeat; cos it doesn’t seem to be sinking in. Unlock should be considered a bare minimum for a Battle Pass player.

[wicked arrow]

Yeah, you are showing the result of SLB auctions.

[abstract gate]

Your auctions, your massive SMS targets for tiering up.

[wicked arrow]

Which were for whales. Now you know how much it costs to unlock an epic officer

[abstract gate]

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But your opinion isn’t everyone’s. Far from it. Again, really, if you’re unhappy with the way the game’s been run for years now, don’t spend hundreds of dollars a month on it

[abstract gate]

Barely any less than the auctions did if you were in the right bracket 🤣

[main spindle]

@wicked arrow this SMS is for whales to

[abstract gate]

Read the room.

The whales are silent cos they just got a cut in what they had to spend.

How are people actually defending this 😆

They think it’s great cos you get to see how much you have to dump into each one.

[abstract gate]

Upfront *

The rest of us mortals, we got invited to sit on the sofa before they threw us on the floor and told us we were too poor to pay for it.

And you don’t have to do anything 🤷‍♂️

[wicked arrow]

The only other way to obtain these were through auctions before? How is this not an improvement on that? As I said the 3 of 10 auction saw people score over 10m points. People spent 7m for 10 shards

[abstract gate]

Except make less and less progress in a game that releases new content they have zero intention of you ever having?

[hexed gorge]

Look, it's not great, but it's been like this since day 1, not gonna change after 3 years, either spend big or don't spend. Middle ground not really an option unless your saving for months on end just for a shot at an officer

[abstract gate]

The promise of better arrived.

It was an empty promise.

[abstract gate]

That’s less of doing so yeah 😉

[hexed gorge]

A promise of better from scopley 🤣🤣🤣

[abstract gate]

I’m never going to convince people that think not unlocking stuff is an acceptable result for a promise of “available to Free to Players” is to take every last shred of material they have in the hope they can get enough to get there.

[potent tartan]

Its only an improvement if they add a way to source these officers after the arc...

TOS ...never seen again, Lorca ..can only buy, TNG who the hell knows whats going to happen there

[abstract gate]

Exactly my point.

Is it too steep for many players? Most even, if (near) f2p? Sure.

But at least it’s now a conscientious decision whether IT IS WORTH IT for you. No outside factors like snipers on an lb. Just you and your own balancing act.

My wall of shame is getting no better.

Piles of officers that will never be completed, a product of a desire to provide not an entertaining game but a mechanism to strip servers of players that don’t pay enough so they can one day maintain one single whaleserver and go back to auctions to see which of them is in petrochemicals and which is in renewable energy.

[wicked arrow]

That's not the argument here. Sourcing after the fact is a huge issue. It seems like officers become more available a year+ after release. TOS was release beginning of 2021 so we might see them at the stat of 2022.

[abstract gate]

I will never have max Chen the rate they’re going, and she’s fundamental to useful progress.

My money is on them sticking everyone in the low end pulls just to make it even more unlikely to get her.

A year to get officers 😆😆😆😆

And people think thats right

[wicked arrow]

When did anyone say its right?

[hexed gorge]

Only a year if you don't pay

[abstract gate]

Bonkers how hard people will roll this turd in glitter to stay green.

The price of an officer is almost that of a new PS5 or Xbox. It’s ridiculous

[wicked arrow]

I literally said "Sourcing after the fact is a huge issue. "

[abstract gate]

Or turn green.

I’m indiscriminate 🤣

[wicked arrow]

And last arc it was the price of a Toyota Corolla

[abstract gate]

I won’t convince you how these baby steps are an improvement, but let’s reiterate: don’t spend over 200 every month if you’re so unhappy. Ultimately the disappointment is not with scopely on that one…

The irony is iv spent more on this game than i did on my new car i just purchased 😆

[abstract gate]

I bought a Series X and their game subscription. In two weeks I’ve gone from 13-14 hours a day on this game to 3 hours a day on this game.

If this is the trajectory Scopely want for their players, I’d love to know if their eyes are open on it.

[abstract gate]

Baby steps? You for real? Games been out ages

[wicked arrow]

If the alternative to this is endless SLB auctions, this is the better option.

[abstract gate]

Nah.

And probably near the end of its life

At least in SLB auctions you knew you had no chance

Nobody was pretending it was something F2P could unlock.

Nobody was running around trying to persuade people they could then see the cost and you wouldn’t be sniped.

Here’s a good one; in a Lamborghini showroom they don’t need to put the prices on cos I know if I have to ask, it’s outta my price range.

Putting a Lamborghini on a Ford forecourt doesn’t make it more affordable.

It just puts that unaffordability in your front yard.

This changes nothing. It will still be people with half unlocked officers, having done one of the events but not the other one because they ran out of mats and directives. And they’ll then quit because they dumped all that stuff on random things to try get that last milestone.

Clear out your focus groups of nodders, and start getting people that part with sensible money in. And do that with forks of peoples accounts, as they are there and then.

[potent tartan]

Or.... instead of releasing 1 uc officer to 10 epic in a 12 month period... flip the ratio, that way F2P players get something...

[abstract gate]

Not “here’s an account with 99,999 of everything, let us know what you think of the milestones”

[abstract gate]

The game changing officer everyone wants is Chen.

An uncommon.

Yeah, the epics are nice token gestures, nice to have, but you’ve made epics fundamental to every arc.

Make useful uncommons. Accessible officers.

Cmon. This ain’t rocket science. They already sorted sending Kirk to space with that today.

[viral sail]

I'm 100% free player (no battle pass, no gift cards, etc) and I am loving this event

[abstract gate]

What level?

[torpid light]

Should make all officers shards obtainable using transporter patterns - say 3 months after an arc closes. And that includes rare and uncommon officers at a cheaper cost than epics.

[potent tartan]

At what level? At 40+ it isn't fun

[viral sail]

Ops 37 as of Monday

[abstract gate]

37-39 is bonkers. Especially at the low end.

[potent tartan]

the scoring increases massively post lvl 39. 1.55m points for Stonn

[viral sail]

Don't you spend way more materials in auctions? Value per shard on this event is way better.

[abstract gate]

Ask is around 3x what the battle pass rewards are.

Over 800k points at 41

[amber wave]

Lmao it’s so easy at ops 29

Ngl it’s kinda funny watching ops 40+ struggle cuz for once I’m doing better 🤣

[abstract gate]

The porpoises in the middle get screwed again.

38, fresh push. I made one half decent spend outside events.

Outside of that I’m getting bled dry. Half the time I’ve got the rare I can throw at it but nothing that will take the rare.

Rest of the time I’m sat ploughing it into something thoroughly inconvenient for progress.

I did see someone say include parsteel / trit / dilithium spend in it.

I would probably recommend against doing this.

[potent tartan]

nope... I stay away from auctions because they are an exercise in futility. Now I'm steering clear of a SMS because the cost in speedups lat and rss is insane 4 weeks in a row.

Now if Scopely had said... this is how it scores. I could have made an informed choice ..but now I am locked in to obtaining Worf

[abstract gate]

Yup. The worse of the two officers.

I bought the other pack this month because I did Worf under the promise that BorgStonn was “accessible”

And had to get the res back to be able to do BorgStonn which is the one I know I want.

[potent tartan]

I have no issue with making that choice..but I should know all the info ahead of time so I can plan. Same way I plan research/building etc so I dont have to spend to progress

[abstract gate]

Being hit with the cost of the meal after the first course is the biggest issue here.

[viral sail]

Again, my point is that the value per shard of an epic officer is better than almost anything we've seen in the past. You are entitled to your opinions and feelings, of course - I'm just saying I loved this particular one.

And yes, 100% agreed that having information ahead of time for planning would have been great

[potent tartan]

just as I say no way to source TOS officers... a chest with 10 TOS Kirk shards 🤣 🤣 🤣

[frosty notch]

25 for 100$ 🙂

[viral sail]

Yes, true - I would not be opposed to a similar model for other officers. And of course that would force us to make choices.

[abstract gate]

Where?! 👀

[wintry tundra]

Totally agree with Bernard. 3of10 cost me 10k uc. Now I spend less for 2 epics.

[potent tartan]

theres a gift coming... "Shatner in space"

[abstract gate]

Another gift that isn’t rubbish?

Is it April 1st?

[potent tartan]

15500 uc for me ...for 1

[abstract gate]

Only 22 more shards for me to unlock 😂

[potent tartan]

1 more and I can tier him

[abstract gate]

I don’t suppose there’s any chance Chen went with him?

[wintry tundra]

But she was and still is worth it. So is Worf and 4of10.

[potent tartan]

its not just the UC...its the 20bn par the 50k common g4 that doesn't exist and the speedups

[wintry tundra]

LOL. For me it was close to 300M trit to get augur to t6. Not getting near ops39 or even higher. I saw the points you needed. 😱

[steep iron]

10 shards!!

[hardy parcel]

these events are better than the leaderboard events.

But only in the same way that being half set on fire is better than being completely on fire - both suck

[abstract gate]

Very eloquently put.

hello, it is noted "monthly on this event, will it take place every month?

[tender moon]

Wish I had your points total

[abstract gate]

Lol

[hardy parcel]

I'm going to have to burn the last of my rare directives to finish

[tender moon]

4 of 10 free in event I call bs. If you have the materials to complete event maybe. If you don't you will have buy a pack or 2 to complete it.

[abstract gate]

it is difficult as an event

there is a second event like the one in 3 or four days right?

[novel hollow]

I mean we can’t really choose without knowing what else is coming … hence me winning skinny Mudd auction 😂😂😂😂😂

[versed ferry]

I didn’t get that?!?

[novel hollow]

Slow rollout

[hardy parcel]

that's kind of the point. you can't plan for events because you don't know what is coming. there is no discernable pattern and events like this take weeks or more likely months of saving.

you can guarantee we spend now there'll be an event for a better office next month

[stuck geode]

Why do they make it impossible to f2p these events over 40? There's no way for me to get the mats or directives to do 2 these type of events with in a week. Let alone another worf event at the end of this milestone

[hardy parcel]

yeah it's bad enough for the 39 and below. if you are 40 plus you are screwed

[abstract gate]

A slightly chubby porpoise once told me it isn’t impossible to F2P over Lv40, you’re just not gonna enjoy it.

Now it looks like Scopely want to officially class F2P Lv40s as self harming.

[ember walrus]

I figured being kicked in the balls vs being shot in the balls but that works too.

[ember walrus]

Second worf in a few 2nd 4 of ten near the end of the month

Events are painful but possible at least at 35

[fresh peak]

That is actually the reverse of what we were trying to do. We always released epic officers via a leaderboard event where only a few players could get them at the launch of the arc. We are now testing a different way of doing it so that more people have a chance to unlock. Releasing 2 epic officers this arc did make things harder (and was unintended) but we are definitely open to feedback, especially on how this **compares **to the traditional leaderboard events.

[abstract gate]

Ok thank

[winged tulip]

Then how did you miss the mark so badly with the targets unless it's intentional to soak up all our Res and more?

[orchid lion]

I think the basic concept that was lost here was that the f2p players (who you were trying to benefit by skipping auctions) often don't have the mats to complete the milestones as you set them. So we got shafted anyways.

[ember walrus]

Compared to normal way this is infinitely better but with two of them. Both with armada spam and uncommon burn its pretty bad in implementation

[orchid lion]

Was there any thought given to how many mats are reasonable for a f2p player to have in reserve? (Remember, we're not banking packs, we're spending uncs to progress)

[potent tartan]

is it a better way of sourcing Epic officers... 100% yes

Is the scoring/difficulty arc right... No

[fresh peak]

All fair comments and we are gathering all this feedback. FYI, even if you can't complete you still get a MS or two which is more than you would have gotten in a leaderboard event, right? again, the goal is to have this **more **accessible.

[hexed gorge]

Some shards is what we got with all the other epic officers from arcs, still can't unlock them

[ember walrus]

That all depends on sourcing after the fact. Personally would rather have 0 than 99/100 if only option to get that last one is $$

[viral sail]

I loved it. Ops 37 free player. Much better value per shard than auctions, and less stressful

[winged tulip]

Yeah, if anything scopely has set the standard at if you can't unlock an officer in their arc you'll be waiting over a year to unlock them afterwards, that devalues partial unlocks massively.

[potent tartan]

Its leaving a hollowed out middle though @fresh peak . Players <39 doing it easily (a very good thing) 40+ getting shafted, Whales doing what whales do

[winged tulip]

If it was the difference between t1 and t2 there would be some value in big unlock milestones, but unlocked or not is very different

[fierce cosmos]

I like the possibility of seeing the result of spending, vs. a leaderboard where you can dump a bunch into it and still come away with nothing. However, I think communication needs to be looked at for planning, and definitely having two at once is brutal. If it were just one, I think there'd be some grumbling, but at least it would be more feasible.

Another part is not knowing if there will be another way to obtain the remaining shards... will there be an event store where we can get the handful of shards we may miss? Will we not get another shot and have yet another incomplete epic officer sitting in our list?

[desert laurel]

this is a better way of sourcing, but the points should be dialed back a bit for some levels(low 20s and 39+ mostly, but even a little in the middle).

Worf's domination SLB style is far too expensive in cost due to the things that reward the most points. You're not only spending the rss/mats, but also the availability of guns to be used to complete the efficient limited build events. And that's assuming you have them ready to build. Otherwise you're just pushing ops too early and hurting yourself in other ways

[ember walrus]

Lorca for instance

[orchid lion]

At 43+ (I assume below too), Worf was strictly a platform-based SMS. So we dutifully dumped in the pars and mats to complete. Now we find out we need 15k unc mats and 10s of billions of pars (or trit/parts) to do another massive SMS. Having this level of spend (RSS and mats) is BONKERS for the f2p players these new Epics were trumpeted to...

I get that it's better than an auction where f2p comes away with zero shards. But promising a FREE unlock and then going "whoops, sorry, but it's better than nothing" is... disingenuous?

[harsh warren]

L39 player- this is so much better than the usual pay to win auction. The arc has been great. Very generous with cloaking for L26 ship and ent skin. Exponentially better than any other arc. Cannot believe all the whining.

[abstract gate]

Best not go past lvl39 then

Otherwise it’s impossible

[desert laurel]

to expand on the low 20s point, the requirement is 722 uc for the sms, and this will get you a ~t6 Kehra, an insane amount to cost for players in that range for the 4x these SMS will run

[ember walrus]

It all depends on what you have to spend vs what you can spend. Events would be a joke if i could get to the point of spending my stockpiled rares

[harsh warren]

Granted I planned out the arc. Watched the CC vids and did have some upgrades to complete. But usually I am stuck with nothing so yeah … this is better

[ember walrus]

Key point here is the idea is good implementation needs work

[orchid lion]

When you trumpet a "free" unlock, that kinda implies its realistically free. Not "partially free" and you can collect the balance we promised you later (if you go all-in on current SMS and trust us...).

[abstract gate]

After the worf event this event will cost me at least £700 to complete. Its not even funny

[halcyon sentinel]

for me ops 35, having 6k unc to spend every month on these is unsustainable, i'm not a huge spender and wont ever be.

[desert laurel]

only one's "free," the other is still premium. But even 3k is a huge stretch

[abstract gate]

If you factor in worf, this one and then another at end of arc its 3 to do

[wind fog]

This right here is how we feel. No question mark.

[halcyon sentinel]

it is yes, if you want to spend your unc 'responsibly' as smaller spenders should lol

[south osprey]

level 25... I need 979 unc

[proven bluff]

@fresh peak The thing is that we get told we can get the officer for "free"; all we have to do is complete a series of events. Then the events roll out and the cost of game materials is exhorbitant. I am not f2p, but I am by no means a whale; and these events will clean me out of uncommon resources. Once I started down this path without knowing the brick wall that was waiting for me, I was kind of stuck follwing it through. My game progress will likely be set back months.

Players who can't progress in the game get left behind, lose interest and quit.

[spark zealot]

The main problem seems to be that there is no logical or widely understandable reason for the milestone targets. They are way out of proportion from anything we as players were used to in the past.

While leaderboards are "limited to a few", they at least give you a certainty, that you will or will not be able to participate in them. We as players - although not happy - accept and certainly know, that we may or may not be able to win them (depending on your servers average spending and your amount of G3/G4 collected).

Thats the same way for the Jelly event, and truth being told from seeing months of what was spent there I prepared for the 3/4 million points I probably have to collect to be able to get my first place in that event - to be fair, I had 12 million in points (G3/G4 and armada tokens) collected before I even tried to calculate how much I would be able to spend before I even tried.

Now, is a milestone more accessible? Yes it is because everyone can finish it and not only the top 1-3 players. Are the current spendings way out of any reasonable calculations (again, 40+ - the 39 bracket looks hard but it can be achieved)? yes indeed - especially if you count (if I'm not mistaken) that this was the second round of milestones within 1 week and there will be 2 more of those.

I understand this game needs to generate income, I really do - I even contributed my small portion of it and I don't regret it. But what was done since the ark has started is literally a kick in the butt after getting announcements of achievable officers which were praised left and right just to be crushed 1 week later. Personally I am literally on the edge of not even bothering to believe anything that is announced because again and again there were not only one or two but a whole bunch of asterisks attached.

Want to make officers more accessible? Try adding them to existing ways to get officer shards in "a reasonable timeframe" instead of 6-12 months later (if ever). may be a start.

[hardy parcel]

I can relate to that, in direct comparison to the leaderboard events this is better - no doubt of that at all. Having two in the same arc (and no rare, uncommon or common officers) puts extra pressure on players though.

What I am fed up of is having about 10 epic officers (and a few rares) sitting partially unlocked with no chance in sight to ever unlock them, never mind promote them. Crew set ups are the only area of the game where we really have player agency. The ships are very limited in number and all of a similar performance at their tiers so the only differential, player to player is the crew really. I don't expect to be able to max an epic officer easily (still working on the original faction epics) but to at least get an unlock, come on.....

[main spindle]

Personal this resource deployment SMS is a complete flop u told us we could get 4 of 10 fully unlocked if we completed the heart of Stonn events and yet u give us this sms event that can only be completed if ur willing to spend money on the mats need to get it done. Thats not what we were told u said it was achievable for all. Spending money on mats is not achievable by all and we should get a compensation gift for is mess

[lost abyss]

Just make it so that if you complete the battlepass and the encapsulated events, meaning daily play, you get the new things meant to be part of and enhance, daily play. Turning it into spend 10k mats 4x a month just isn’t feasible for the vast majority of your players, even if they are regular spenders. Even twice a month means most people have to either skip the next month or two or spend a lot more than they want.
Let those events and the leaderboards be for those who want extra and want to pay for it more, let the people who want to spend casually or rarely still enjoy the new stuff to keep them engaged and not dropping the game as often as they do.

[somber crown]

Actually more of the logic that would make sense is by creating a high milestone with low rewards... it leaves the player just short of needed shards. That pushes the player to be more likely to cash in and buy that tiny bit extra to hit the unlock.

[lost abyss]

And after an arc, make an officer pack for all the arc officers and don’t toss in any extras like a rare Spock or pike that costs…. 800 ultra recruit tokens.

Treat the battlepass like a real monthly subscription, getting one of them gets you the new content, meaning officers, ships, skins. The game shouldn’t rely on costing more monthly than AAA serial games like destiny cost in a year, nor can it sustainably stay that way.

[hallow ember]

This was a hugely welcome change for me and others in the alliance since the ability to effectively compete on leaderboards and have a life goes away as you move up the 30s. The critical piece to this though was that for the first time I recall ever seeing you all released a detailed map of exactly what we would need to work through the individual milestones. If anything, I would work on getting that out even earlier. For me, it helped me plan to delay a major ops upgrade till the event started so I could use the limited materials I do have from saving forever to likely finish both milestone events. I could not have done that without the roadmap. The increase in the amount of materials needed to spend from the 75K points to 140K points was somewhat harsh since lower 30s can't spend G4, but please continue to reduce leaderboards and have more achievable milestone events.

[sudden ledge]

<@&509690795536941056> 886k points for the heart of Stonn SMS is insane….. that’s 8860 in 3 or 4 star uncommon. Talk about burning people out of upgrades and directives to get them to spend $$$…. Just sad….

[sand roost]

Thats like 1 or 2 jelly upgrades 👀

[orchid lion]

The problem isn't that we'd be *just short... it's that it cannot be done except by a select few. 31k uncs is tough, but may be do-able strictly f2p. The problem is having the ~20BILLION+ pars (or ~4BILLION trit, napkin math) AND the corresponding common mats (or unc/common ship parts) to be ABLE to spend the 31k uncs. Everyone who is free/cheap2play (I spend, including $100 packs here and there) knows that the choke point in the low 40s is actually the COMMON mats, which would require MILIONS of lat to buy to support spending 31k uncs (and what f2p/c2p has that kinda lat)?

So even tho the idea is great (seriously), this just turned into another auction-like mechanic... spend to unlock or do without. That's what it WASNT supposed to be, especially with the trumpeting around "free unlock" .

[fallow forum]

Just when you thought scopely does something right for a change I.e. officer sourcing, giving us the ability for a full unlock on borg Stonn, and they set the sms bar so high I’ll never be able to complete it. I’m done with this game after this arc. Congratulations Scopely you’ve lost another player that has been here since launch, 🤦‍♂️ smh.

Who puts four material spend events in one arc. Geniuses I swear

It will only take 8700 3* uncommon materials for me to finish the sms Stonn event

They totally screwed the 40+ guys. The solo milestone at 39 is like 167k. The solo milestone for me is 886k. Seems legit

[lost abyss]

Yep, that’s the sentiment across a lot of server right there above.

[fallow forum]

It’s amazing how many level 41-42 guys have quit the game from our server in the past couple of months

It’s a shame really, it didn’t have to be this way either

[south arrow]

Don’t don’t worry you can get him free 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[main spindle]

My ass

[simple spear]

Sms bar for stone is lower than the worf one

He can be acquired for free, you just had to decide who you wanted, worf or 4/10

[orchid lion]

And that was communicated ahead of time? So that the f2p/c2p crowd could make an informed decision?

Or "whoops, sorry, we kinda messed up, but no biggie because part of an unlock is better than none"...?

[simple spear]

I guess they just wanted you to evaluate your resources and make an informed decision as to what route you could afford to do

[abstract gate]

All the info you needed is in the IGN. Apart from the stonn milestones but they’re actually lower than Worf

[muted frost]

Hey scopely people, we have to bear armada events for more than a week now. While you‘ve treated us with rare armada directives for free when new BattlePass started, you became more and more cheese-paring recently.

[south arrow]

Both are different scoring methods and work only real way to win is with guns and they still fuked that event up

[cunning radish]

To be fair - some arcs have 3 or 4 slbs or more for officers.

[dapper halo]

@fresh peak I just say that so far I could get all epic officers from the arc at least on T1, when I was lucky I could get the on T2, and I usually buy the little bp pass pack and 1 more bigger pack. Now if I count the 4 SMS event you are going to give us means over 6k uncommon G3 materials which is more than enough to get 1 officer on T2 in my old SLB events, but now from this amount I'll get 2 epic officer on T1 maybe. If you want to do it this way then try to give players more mats from G3 refinery because now it gives pretty low amount, or count eclipse armadas as well during these events, or give opportunity for us to get regular epic and rare armadas like we can get eclipse armadas because we need about 12 days to get enough directives for 1 regular rare armadas from daily uncommon armada chest and there are 3-4 days between these SMS events. I just feel like that it's almost impossible to get what I want now. So far with some money invest and 1 month saving mats and directives I could get what I wanted, but now even if I have saved tons of mats, got armada directives from you at the beginning of this arc I just feel that it isn't enough and these recruit events became quite unfair. I got your point, you wanted to make it more fair but actually this is not what happening right now I think.

[ripe jungle]

Lol the tng arc that just ended. Have people already forgotten it? Three spend slb’s a month for five months straight.

[abstract gate]

Yes. Everyone has forgotten it because it was a little… meh.

[cunning radish]

short memories i guess

[abstract gate]

People still happy I see

[abstract gate]

They should be, it’s better than being completely set on fire.

[abstract gate]

Pretty sure human sacrifices are next arc

[fallow forum]

Not all of them are spend mat lb some are gain power, and I’m not even talking about the leaderboards just the sms events. It’s in no way possible for me to complete 4 sms spend mat events inside of 20 days without spending money, which is what they advertised.

I did also clarify that I was speaking in terms of 40+ players. The increase is insane from 39 to 42 if you read my original post

[abstract gate]

It’s ridiculous levels of spend at all levels to be fair, the big issue for the 40+ is they don’t have boatloads of G3 on tap as the game starts handing G4 rewards out and in order to spend the G4 you need the G4 common… which is not common.

[ripe jungle]

Nah for my level (29) it is actually reasonable, the SMS’s are much cheaper than the slb’s they were running last arc. I won’t even need to buy the elite pass to have enough to do all four SMS’s it looks like.

[coral niche]

I cant finish current SMS without spending. Ops41. Not very motivating.

[ripe jungle]

The difference to slb though is of course then I’d take one look at where it was going and just decide to ignore the event altogether. The SMS’s I can actually plan to complete.

[hardy parcel]

The problem here is one of communication and expectation.

I think we aren't supposed to be able to do all the milestones without spending or saving for a few months.

But because this was touted as a new way for f2p players to get a free epic, our expectation was that we could.

[ripe jungle]

The higher ops guys have a problem in that the armada directives aren’t going to make much of a dent, for me the free rares they gave out (and the epic directives those have been generating) can make up a significant portion of the point total.

[winged tulip]

I would need to launch 40 epics to finish the event, or probably save all g4 for 3 months to unlock one officer, at this rate.

[ripe jungle]

Yep, for me just four rares is half the point total.

They should have scaled that part by the level of the armada instead of just number of directives.

[hardy parcel]

An interesting question would be how many packs does a 40+ have to buy vs a 39.

Maybe they balanced it around the pack contents .....

[winged tulip]

The other side of this is predictability. I'd never spend £ on an SLB because it's a trap - you never know how much you need to spend to get to first, and it can change. It's an auction, bad idea.
I'd never spend money on these SMS events because it's nearly impossible to work out how many packs you'll need to buy. You can easily enough work out how much g3/4 you've got, and what you can spend it on immediately, but then you run down the rabbit hole of will i run out of trit, dil, par, speedups, common g4 first, will i get trapped doing a bunch of buildings that only soak up par before i can reach anything that will let me spend more g4.. that's far too much working out needed to decide whether it's worth giving scopely any money.

[abstract gate]

So what we’re all seemingly saying is that if maybe the milestones were 30% of what they are, they’d be more reasonable “stretch goals” for F2P?

[ripe jungle]

For 40+ yes. For sub 30 they’re fine as they are. Dunno about 30s.

[winged tulip]

tbh i'd rather see an event that rewards spending trit or par - at least that's easier to do at any time, with a lot less planning needed. Overall i think it's just a bad direction for the game to take to encourage hoarding all your materials, all the time, just to look for the next event you can actually finish.

[abstract gate]

Problem I have with that is people can rob your par/trit.

[ripe jungle]

Though one thing to consider is that generally sms events tend to be very easy when they’re things like hostile hunt etc. like almost no-one will have trouble finishing them off in maybe half an hour. While the spend events are much more of a stretch.