🌌-galaxy-chat

[fathom mesa]

no feds

[wooden latch]

Quest #3 is kill fed hostiles

[visual pollen]

Discovvery#3 - Ultra Recruit

[finite otter]

Of course I spent my ultra recruit tokens this morning.

[dull mason]

It might be Q ?

[weary mango]

ill go shoot some fed and see

[thick fern]

feds count

[weary mango]

alright cool thx

[little violet]

Atleast it is one I have locked

[weary mango]

yea it scores go shoot fed

[thorn fjord]

It does? Mine doesn’t. It needs sigma for repairs as soon as you upgrade a component with G6 mats

[little violet]

It doesn't need sigma until tier 14

[solemn plaza]

T13 + components

[hearty mauve]

sure... Rom and Quark on the cover....

[wary escarp]

Tried that, does it have to be a certain level as that's what i thought but not counting

[weary mango]

your ops is too low

[thick fern]

I am killing in sol and i am ops 63

[little violet]

I had all my tier 13 components done except the warp core and it didn't need any sigma till tier 14

[dull mason]

Your level is low, but it should count

[hearty mauve]

I know it counts but Come on...

[wary escarp]

looks like it's fed survey hostiles

[hearty mauve]

make the riddle fit the ops level then

[sweet garden]

I#m killing in Gemet n its fine, ops 60

[weary mango]

too much work

[wary escarp]

sol works for me, was too low. went to nearest

[little violet]

that efficiency really starts to cut the shards needed like crazy

[arctic iris]

So i should have left this blank?

[karmic estuary]

where the heck are the material SLBs .. good lord i want to upgrade!

[weary mango]

im working on it :/

[sweet garden]

There'll be one for officer tomorrow

[weary mango]

not enough away teams starting thingy tho

[little violet]

Shouldn't need sigma till tier 14.. I had mine done and it didn't ask once for sigma

[formal dragon]

@queen jolt <@&509690795536941056> is it really spend ultra recruit chest to complete today’s event?

If so where’s my free credits to do this?

You already screwed up with the badgey one. Fix this one please.

If you’re not going to give us the resources to complete it then mark it as Heroic please as it’s a spend event.

[little violet]

Are you ops 61?

[weary mango]

yes

[little violet]

Ultra worked for me

[solemn plaza]

As soon as you spend sigma on upgrades it'll ask for Sigma to repair.
Same with other ships. T10 Relativity with no upgrades is normal trit. As soon as you upgrade a component in will need Sigma.

And you can get Sigma trit pre ops61

[arctic iris]

I hit a freebooter to see what it said, was a little worried about killing it and not being able to repair it

[little violet]

It is not asking for it.. it is a placeholder.. Or you wouldn't be able to repair

[arctic iris]

heard someone say that the Evis and Relativity is also the same if you tier it up to max at ops 60. they beedn sigma to repair

[weary mango]

theres no way spending event store currency on ultra recruits is a good idea

[pastel ibex]

huh ultra tokens??? Got 0

[solemn plaza]

Actually looks like the repair cost was super low and with efficiency its rounded down to 0

[arctic iris]

I got some sigma already due to Faction Loyalty chests so for now i got some to repair

[little violet]

If you are that worried hit 61 😛

60-61 is easy

[arctic iris]

and never be able to complete a Priority 1 away mission? no thanks lol

[little violet]

Not like you have a lot with the slider added those go in 4 pulls

[solemn plaza]

You can get a "decent" chunk of Sigma pre G6. And the repair cost shouldn't be all that much.

[little violet]

Should not ask for sigma.. I had no sigma pre 61 and never once had an issue

[pastel ibex]

lol

[solemn plaza]

My Relativity needs sigma to repair.

[arctic iris]

evis also needs sigma apparently at ops 60

[solemn plaza]

The total repair cost for the Relativity is less than 100 sigma though so not worried about it.

[arctic iris]

wrongtag @little violet ^

but if they keep bring out more and more special ships, were soon gonna have no abilty to repair?

none evolved servers will be the worst tho

[arctic iris]

btw what Tier is your Relativity for it to require it?

[solemn plaza]

Less than 100 sigma per repair....so not worried about it atm.

[solemn plaza]

It's currently T10 with hull/shield upgraded.

[proud verge]

Do you have to complete all meta's for the secrets to complete the full meta sms?

[little violet]

Does the revenant give sigma ?

[arctic iris]

k 2 more tiers for me 😅

[arctic iris]

i dont think that will as its hard locked at T10 till ops 61

[native anvil]

@humble orbit don´t forget to update the Starfleet Secrets 👍

[solemn plaza]

Yes

You get 11 pulls of sigma rss.

[soft kestrel]

Quest 3?

[little violet]

That is what I thought

[solemn plaza]

And a nice chunk of G6 mats.

[little violet]

You almost have more sigma par than me 😛

[shy hamlet]

the g6 Evo gift in g5

[little violet]

at ops 66

But in all honesty.. I spend about 25m in the last month 😛

[queen jolt]

@here Hey peeps Join us in #update-79-q-and-a as we dive into the Wrath of Khan: Part 2 arc! see you there in <t:1749229254:R>

[soft kestrel]

Quest 3....secret 3?

[boreal oasis]

too busy doing events, pick another day

[little violet]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[proud verge]

Pauly, for the secrets meta, can you confirm if you miss 1 event you can still complete the full meta SLB or not?

[solid kayak]

wondering what players without ultra recruit pulls are supposed to do for the event.

[spark dragon]

to talk about all the new bugs?

[weary mango]

ofc it happens when im going too sleep 🤣

oh well

[heady moon]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-james-come-here-gif-9513615905074917094

[solid kayak]

give them all money to buy packs? seems unatainable to me

[subtle vortex]

can someone ask them when we can expect to see mass claims on the faction stores? like the refineries?! wont be around! haha

[shy hamlet]

ya broke

[little violet]

Pull the uncommon from the bajoran then the ultras

[proud verge]

HAMMY! Can you answer this question?

[shy hamlet]

also I need to convert more

[queen jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-gif-26471287

[solemn plaza]

I still need to get to G6 😅

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-15323150284858550332

[solid kayak]

under ops 35 players?

[little violet]

I did all my buildings to ops 66.. except 3 turrets that will be done tomorrow and my scrap yard 😛

[solid kayak]

what if they just did their ultras yesterday?

[arctic iris]

where can i even see how much sigma i have as mines still old school?

[solid kayak]

lol

[solemn plaza]

Can you see G6 ships in the preview?

[arctic iris]

thanks

[hearty mauve]

will there be ways to get the Ceti Eel inthe Future ? Or is that locked behind $$ forever?

[civic geyser]

Event store

[silver parcel]

might see it in a ship refinery/faction store at some point

[muted cape]

Alliance store, combat training missions

[cedar idol]

Good question, I did the badgey one but didn't receive points

[queen jolt]

as per our arc runner, you can miss 1 day's worth of event*

[weary mango]

contact support

[hearty mauve]

"at some point" means..... 4 weeks, 4 months, a year?

[twilit lintel]

hmmmm this one i'm at lost lol

[solemn plaza]

Combat training.

[weary mango]

federation

[arctic iris]

kill Feds

[lusty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-statler-and-waldorf-boring-bored-theater-gif-21768724

[hearty mauve]

Even just a time range would be appriciated (based of previous CT)

[silver parcel]

though they're still missing sourcing for geordi visor, saltah'na clock, zalkonian storage capsule, classic tricoder, emperor ceremonial uniform, section 31 beacon, the star dispatch

[proud verge]

Phew, good for me as I forgot the badgey one 😅

[silver parcel]

and classic phaser, emperor georgiou's sword, and saren's vulcan necklace

[oak charm]

😬 dont forget anymore

[hearty mauve]

s31 stuff is from previous arcs i assume - the other stuff is from the arcs before that?

[proud verge]

I have a life tyvm

[arctic iris]

my hostile limit is close from grinding Aug space. i cant afford to waste my limit on killing 40 feds 😂

[stable dagger]

So the quark/Rom event isnt Ultra recruit tokens?

[hearty mauve]

it is

[stable dagger]

or is hearing conflicting ideas

[proven magnet]

FYI the hint of Rom and Quark isnt accurate for some players as they have Mudd and Eurydice as the cover on their ultra recruit.

[oak charm]

😆

[stable dagger]

ty

[little violet]

Try and pull transporters of quark to finish

[quartz plover]

<@&509690795536941056> Ticket offer is missing from the webstore

[little violet]

refresh...

[woeful vessel]

Unable to use research body

Boost*

[hearty mauve]

because you are missing the slot for it

Just keep playing the game you will eventually be able to use it

and tip: pull thje regular exocomp pack, not the yellow one.. because you need the material to upgrade the exocomp factory from the regular pack

[charred thunder]

Kill fed ships and use ultra recruit pulls

[little violet]

Do these still give crests as standard atas?

[quartz plover]

Not worth it

[silver parcel]

no

[hearty mauve]

Oh, can you have the same FT twice?

[drifting arch]

Thank god! Cause I can’t do the dumb ultra one

[quartz plover]

Think any access shards are converted into useless credits

[silver parcel]

Excess ft shards are converted to ft credit fragments, which are in turn exchange for ft credits that are used in the refinery

[solemn plaza]

The ship xp one is nice though. I like having it.

[near falcon]

einen schönen guten abend spricht hier jemand deutsch ?

[little violet]

Does it give crests?

[proud verge]

Alliance store has ultra recruit tokens for sale

[silver parcel]

no, they're still standard atas

[little violet]

booo

[crude phoenix]

eh how we are every to progress in the new ats if they only fail

[solemn plaza]

Nope. Just gives way way more ship xp

[crude phoenix]

cant even do an event this way

[near falcon]

maybe not so ich try this in english ^^ ich would like to start the game but it load until 91 % what can i do ?

[little violet]

Do officer research to get more % chance to do them

[near falcon]

reinstal and restart doesn`t work

[crude phoenix]

they need new officer skills that are on new officers.. that we suprisingly also need to use

[little violet]

Guess cause I am 66 it reduces the beam damage

[silver parcel]

do you have the prime and the artifact?

[little violet]

Maxed on the artifact and the medallion research is maxed

[near bloom]

No, just those dodgy pink pixels.

[arctic iris]

🫣

[little violet]

So it wants 25 sigma.. work on your repair cost efficiency

[sage ingot]

not giving credit for completing star trek secrets missions

[drifting arch]

I don’t buy packs haha 😆 I’m an F2P kind of guy with exception to 3 things. Extra research, extra builder and the arc that gave the Borg cube

Oh haha sorry read that wrong…sadly I don’t have enough alliance tokens…spent them on those 7 day peace shields

Haven’t have any coffee yet

[arctic iris]

u get them by doing your dailies 🤔

[warm root]

0% chance of Latium?

[silver parcel]

kill feds, pull 1 ultra box

auto grinding doesn't count

[silver parcel]

you need to have the trait unlocked for a chance at the bonus

[arctic iris]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-banned-banned-ban-ban-him-ban-hammer-gif-3899611162483726731

[solemn plaza]

This is the total repair cost for my Relativity.

[arctic iris]

yeah im gonna have issues repairing these ships at ops 60 if they wont open the refinery till ops 61

[silver parcel]

Like i said, you have to unlock the corresponding trait.

[vital sand]

I've been dealing with this for a few days now, opening the daily chests always crashes the game and doesn't come back, I always have to restart it, it's been like this for about 2 updates

[sage ingot]

not giving the completed mission credits and i have completed all since it started

[silver parcel]

That is what you should be at

[crude phoenix]

mr tiger clearly doesnt play this game himself

[vital sand]

@heady moon Please forward this to anyone interested.

[crude phoenix]

what a piece of work this guy

[little violet]

Forward what...

[little violet]

Do you have the community mod and have you turned on the stay in chest after reveal?

If so you are making your own game crash

[sage ingot]

it says 100 for each completed mission I started the day with 500 I just completed 2 missions? it did the same thing the first day it didnt give me but 100 and i completed both missions

[silver parcel]

If using the community mod

edit the community_patch_settings.toml file
place stay_in_bundle_after_summary = false
under the UI heading, default is true. If the toml file is empty, copy the vars file into it

[wanton laurel]

If you no like grind you no like STFc

[quasi arch]

What's the easiest free way to get ultra recruit tokens for the secret event?

[drifting arch]

sadly that wasn't enough for me. though i forgot about the bajoran loot chests haha so i got it that way, might help others

i know i forgot about the ultras in there haha

[tall holly]

Ok so for the discovery 3, I must spend the ultra rdcruit? Or will common work?

[drifting arch]

HAS to be ultra

[lunar frost]

One easy way is through your Alliance store

[tall holly]

Ya, I'm low on tokens

No clue how to get more in short term

[civic geyser]

Combat mission if you can

[gray lintel]

You are on 600 points, there's been 3 days of 2 events a day paying 100 points each.
3x2=6*100=600
So what's the complaint?

[tall holly]

I lack the tokens for the purple recruit packs and not enough alliance credits to get more

Never mind, I think I found the solution to the problem

[tiny ivy]

it's a % loss when punching up

[little violet]

So... Free to play when.. Cause the people that need this obviously have not spend the $100 for 75% hazard...

[little violet]

Yeah, I know

[vital sand]

I was opening the refinery chests today when this happened, but it already happened when opening the daily chests, and the faction chests

[little violet]

Well you didn't answer my question. Are you using the community mod? If so this has to be set to false...

[tiny ivy]

sorry, thought that was a question 😅

[little violet]

Nah was a post out of frustration really 😛

[dull mason]

Some mission's have them as rewards

[vital sand]

I'm not using the mod

[little violet]

Repair the client.

[vital sand]

I've already done this, and as I said before, this has been happening for some updates, since the big Khan crash

It must be some bug that got stuck along the way

[little violet]

Maybe trying to uninstall/reinstall with Revo uninstaller will help then. Sounds like it is something happening with the program on your computer since it is not wide spread. I know for sure that looks like a issue with the community mod tho. Check this file path and see if you see a toml file. ...
C:\Games\Star Trek Fleet Command\Star Trek Fleet Command\default\game

that is the default install location unless you changed it

[warm pivot]

very useful officer trio for lat

[vital sand]

I'll try that, but I'll only know tomorrow when I open all the chests.

[little violet]

Using revo make sure you do the advanced registry scanner and delete all the keys. Reboot then reinstall

[tame trail]

It's plutonium missing from yalls plutonium

Faction store i mean

[twilit lintel]

where can i get faction credits from killing ships other then mu

[silver parcel]

can be a random chest drop from hitting faction ships

but not something to depend on

[warm pivot]

you can try farming fkr hostiles for maybe 4-6 credits per 200 chests

[twilit lintel]

so i can just go to fed transport system?

[warm pivot]

do it in mu if you want to... there is no better way and mu already is op

[twilit lintel]

yeah

but i ran out of blue tokens

dont u just hate this lol

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-monster-raymond-holt-brooklyn-nine-nine-youre-evil-bad-person-gif-22814130

[twilit lintel]

ran out pof credits lol

[warm pivot]

at store?

[twilit lintel]

did that

[warm pivot]

lat

[twilit lintel]

both lof them

22k need 45k

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-friend-relatable-real-awesome-gif-18274614755439005523

[twilit lintel]

4 hrs till dtl rom credits are here tho LOL

[warm pivot]

wait till tomorrow, when officer event runs and you can pump mat as you want

or farm in romulus, 46 blueprints drop from surveys there, rarely

[twilit lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-patient-gif-5428402658447527253

[opal plover]

got any latinum laying around lol

[twilit lintel]

it all comes from archives now LOL

[opal plover]

just saying, 1 BP isn't that expensive in terms of latinum

🤷‍♂️

[twilit lintel]

true

i wish that wondering event was here again LOL

[tiny ivy]

you're 52 according to your name, why are you building a pilum now?👀 (and using creds for it)

[finite otter]

It's bizarre that the max quantity of things in a system does not differentiate between hostiles and armadas.

Would it not make more sense to have separate counters for each?

[weary herald]

Thank you scopy for shorting me 10 points on tue meta yet. All of them are finished

[silver parcel]

clear your localization

[twilit lintel]

cuz not everyone can pay to get a ship ]

[tiny ivy]

What? you could have just went to 53 and get the corvus there

nothing to do with paying

[opal turret]

@queen jolt Hey mate, you tag-ed a wrong person in the Q&A section, I asked about the armadas not cmdr someone 😄

[muted cape]

I’m ops 59 and still use pilum, it’s great for Arena and for those without reliant great for common exile loot.

Also good for spend events

[tiny ivy]

yeah ofc, but i'm guessing you build that at 46

[muted cape]

Cannot remember

Although did only recently build all 3 g4 epics

To scrap for g5 rare parts

[tiny ivy]

even if not, this looks like a push for a main ship

not for pragmatic reasons

[muted cape]

There was this one player in my alliance who used Mayflower to get to ops 39, then Augur to get to ops 50 and has just now built his pilum

[tiny ivy]

i'm betting he's having fun with new content?

[quartz plover]

<@&509690795536941056> still missing the Uncommon ticket pack in webstore (the one you $£€ for)

[lapis olive]

So does this mean i won't need the exo's for the krenim solos anymore? Or does this only apply so the krenim formadas?

[quartz plover]

If your Relativity is strong enough and your 1st ship is too you can just use those 2 to kill your Krenim solo's

Without exo's

[muted cape]

Actually he ignores it, atm I think he’s focusing on voyager still. He recently unlocked NX, Vindactor, Gorn and has not used them once. He plays what he enjoys. Good way to play 👍

[tiny ivy]

As long as he doesn’t complain about it being to hard then 😅

[quaint osprey]

Utilizing your equipment available can lead to being able to be better than you were before altho if it's just that boring then at least using it once a weak for their events wouldn't be a bad idea

[silver parcel]

There's coffeemeth~~ in~~on that nebulaplanet.

[oak basin]

i see the q&a was, as usual, a waste of time that existed only for devs to say how awesome they think their output is

[slate harness]

@silver parcel any ideas how to get galactic recruit tokens for event?

[silver parcel]

the event uses ultra, not galactic

[heady moon]

Yikes! I guess we'll just have to cancel all Q&As going forward. Sorry everyone.

[tepid lotus]

Only need to use 1 ultra recruit claim too.

[slate harness]

perfect thanks, even pulled a lucky

[silver parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[oak basin]

i didn't say don't do q&a's, hammy. but these don't really feel like q&a's, they feel more like marketing and self-aggrandisement opportunities

[heady moon]

Still think its worth having the team come here to interact with the players. I've always felt that more communication between the team and players is better for everyone.

[oak basin]

maybe get them to try... interacting with players in here, instead of in a structured environment controlled for their benefit

[shy hamlet]

have you seen the players here?

[heady moon]

Sorry you read them that way. We answer the questions that players ask. I'm going keep trying to bring the teams here as often and possible.

[oak basin]

yes.

[opal plover]

https://tenor.com/view/savages-pocahontas-gif-5458002

[tiny ivy]

Tell them to ask better questions then 👀

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340

[opal plover]

I went to an American public school. I'm doing the best I can

[oak basin]

they said players, not the english

[tiny ivy]

Oh didn’t know that, sorry.

[heady moon]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-try-im-trying-ball-catch-gif-5139192

[gentle raft]

Ugh, I found it too late for those who needed it.

[opal plover]

https://tenor.com/view/clark-griswold-im-not-a-food-im-not-your-ordinary-everyday-fool-gif-15480623

[shy hamlet]

wait that says ultra recruits

still helps some people today

[sharp ibex]

Hey hammy! Just wondering, are we still able to submit questions anywhere? I had one more question I was hoping to ask. Thank you!

[opal plover]

#update-79-ad-hoc-questions

[gentle raft]

You had only 1 question and you just used it ...

[tiny ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/dnd-d%26d-movie-speak-with-dead-dnd-movie-gif-2761021129526618753

[near bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/nailed-it-ron-swanson-parks-and-recreation-success-gif-4232665

[heady moon]

https://tenor.com/view/gaurav-gulati-howell-melton-cowboy-dead-halloween-gif-12466282

[near bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-you-will-be-gif-20448761

[oak basin]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-bird-alarm-clock-wake-up-gif-11858070275565777857

[near bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-kid-no-bread-gif-11462621

[naive escarp]

rom and quark?

[woeful vessel]

Need a latnium event

[silver parcel]

when it switches to the full set

[warm root]

There is Latium in the event store

[woeful vessel]

But there is no khan revenge token recent

Event

One was over where we got 1.5k

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[woeful vessel]

And 3k from code

[naive escarp]

and how would players know about that?
less writing riddles and more fixing the game please.
games tedious enough as it is.

[near bloom]

You don’t want AT fixing the game.

It sounds like a great idea.

Narrator: It was not a great idea

[naive escarp]

at least this part of the game is working

[silver parcel]

I'm not jess

[jagged valley]

imposter

What are the todays

[naive escarp]

37 vemets in the next pull, scopely must've turned up the odds

[jagged valley]

Quest and discovery

[silver parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pif-amoung-us-impostor-pif-amoung-us-impostor-kitchen-pantry-pif-kitchen-pantry-pif0855kitchen-pantry-gif-18651404

[jagged valley]

Amongus

Wht r tdys qst nd dscvry

[silver parcel]

1 ultra pull, kill 40 feds

[minor furnace]

phrasing

[jagged valley]

xctly

[near bloom]

That makes it worse!

[jagged valley]

Fakez

wrong discord

[near bloom]

Go away Fakez

[iron sandal]

@queen jolt you forgot 404 ascension Buddy

[near bloom]

Drama Llama Discord is the other way

[silver parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/not-found-404error-crash-glitch-gif-23664505

[iron sandal]

Nah I am gut here

[jagged valley]

Llama is international?

[near bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-llama-gif-7964413

@heady moon as a personal favour to me for everything I’ve ever done could you get 404 ascended please?

[jagged valley]

where did double ll lama even came from

[iron sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/hamsters-hampter-hampters-hamster-hamster-ascending-gif-2140675280092263133

[jagged valley]

@heady moon you should really do that no cap

[iron sandal]

@heady moon this

[wanton laurel]

Billy says you must spend more

https://tenor.com/view/ultimatedjz-ultimatdjz-angry-badgey-billy-in-accounting-stfc-gif-26909723

[timid hill]

Anyone have the cost of Drydock G from the Augment Store?

[warm pivot]

50x80 rare credits, you can convert epics down to rare, but that is only recommended if you truly want to

[tiny ivy]

80 rare creds for 50 pulls

[torpid condor]

<@&509691205798592532> Pride badge please. 🙏🏼

[silver parcel]

there you go

[iron sandal]

Ascension key 3 where?

Can’t claim it

Must be a bug

[shy hamlet]

I'm sure you know it's a gift chest when your server is deemed worthy of g6 ascension

[fathom ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/garthwaynes-praising-hallelujah-world-not-worthy-gif-1847499884014055249

[shy hamlet]

get more 404'ers in g5 & ascension is probably more likely, from a completely uninformed guess

[iron sandal]

Restarted the game, still no key in gift chest

For real, it must be a bug

😂

[silver parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-dirt-league-vldl-souls-logic-dark-souls-git-gud-gif-19856700

[shy hamlet]

61 ain't a lot

[grim thistle]

like they said, scopely manages who gets to ascend mount olympus - not automatic

[iron sandal]

Will tell them to rush ops, buy more grabthars packs or so lol

[shy hamlet]

almost literally half the g5 players on the server are in your alliance so they're probably already doing that 🤣

have them mess up their shields & donate people rss maybe?

[twilit lintel]

win some u lose some

[near bloom]

Green Nowon!

All the best are green.

[near bloom]

I believe my asking is guaranteed to make it not happen.

It’s why I asked.

Enjoy never getting ascension, 404!

[grim thistle]

you wont benefit from annorax as captain
would suggest trying out the Pikes or Janeway, Doc

[iron sandal]

I love you

[twilit lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/singer-tina-turner-whats-love-gif-16986012

[leaden plaza]

How long do you think it takes to go from level 15 to 21?

[drifting arch]

If you work hard, not very long. Now if you were like me and took a 3 year break haha a long time. But I’d say if you work hard doing missions dailies and events, a month maybe?

[gloomy bloom]

Can't be more than a week or two right?

[drifting arch]

If you rush it yes. But if you want to complete all the research, buildings and getting ships upgraded so you aren’t outmatched by other players I’d say a month

[gloomy bloom]

Eww, why do that? You can be the most powerful level 15 or the weakest 30. And the weakest 30 will always crush the most powerful 15

[leaden plaza]

It's because I'm in an event where if I reach level 21 I get rewards

[near bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ignore-do-not-disturb-go-away-ignored-ignoring-gif-25567988

[drifting arch]

lol 😆 well when you get into the higher ops it helps to have that mentality

[near bloom]

It took me three days to go from Ops 1 to Ops 24, so… a day?

[gloomy bloom]

Well I'm 64 so far. I skipped the G6 UC ships entirely. Should be 65 in about a week.

[leaden plaza]

How do I do the mining missions? Do I have to defeat ships or is it another way?

[gloomy bloom]

The people who were at my same OPS level when I was OPS39 are mostly OPS 52-56 now. They do poorly with their maxed research and buildings against my maxed Rotty 😄

[warm root]

C'mon 1 kirk shard

[drifting arch]

Well I’m ops 47 and that’s just how I’ve always played now with the ships absolutely agree…some ships are worth skipping ahah

[drifting arch]

They get better and better over time

[warm root]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-if-youre-not-with-me-then-youre-my-enemy-hayden-christensen-gif-18489728

[drifting arch]

You will use mining ships. Or surveys. ESC Fortunate is one then the the horizons and then so on after that

[leaden plaza]

but i have to defeat ships?

[drifting arch]

Well that’s a beefy ship to begin with haha

[drifting arch]

Nope, all the mining events you just mine the various crystal, gas, ore, tri, dil, or par nodes.

It’s a passive activity

[shy hamlet]

there is an amount as you ops up to complete import things to do stuff, certainly.
but not everything because then you will never move, as I also have been trying to demonstrate to people

[gloomy bloom]

The efficiencies, 100%. Especially station building time efficiencies as you hit G6/Sigma

[drifting arch]

oh for sure! there are some things, hands down, say forget it, i'll get to it when i get to it haha,, like away team, or star ships i don't use. or star base, since my alliance doesn't do much with it, its more of when we get to it haha

NOW if you have a lot of lat i say screw it! do it all haha if you have the lat to do it, sadly i don't right now

[gloomy bloom]

I think people get too focused on completing everything thinking it's necessary. It's not only not necessary, it's slowing you way down. I could complete all G3 research in a day or two with the amount of latinum/mats/rss I get in G6. Do the efficiencies always. Everything else let it lag. Never compete with pushing OPS higher.

[drifting arch]

yeah sadly my lat reserves are less than a mill now, but the treasuries are about 13-14 mill the last one for me anyways

mostly cause i don't have a max dvor or even a feesha

[shy hamlet]

I do most of the combat/station/Galaxy 7-8 ops levels after its available

[gloomy bloom]

I think last treasury was like 54m or something for me? Everything scales up. The research someone is spending days and weeks on at OPS40 I'll do in seconds without thinking twice about it. And I only ever spend $20 on the monthly BP. I don't buy packs. Never bought a single treasury or $99 anything.

[shy hamlet]

other than g6 combat & some of g5 station, most of those 3 trees are no longer meaningfully inpactful

[gloomy bloom]

When I got my Augur, I spent weeks, maybe a couple months maxing it, holding back OPS upgrades thinking I couldn't move forward without it done. Now I know better

[drifting arch]

Yeah I've never seen that amount in mine haha, but I also have only bought 3 things with ($$$) the entire 5+ years I've played this game

[gloomy bloom]

Treasury rewards scale up with OPS level. You go higher in OPS you get more rewards, which means the costs of the things you're waiting on relative to what you get thrown at you by the game every day drops through the floor.

[drifting arch]

yeah that I HAVE seen haha as soon as i passed ops 42, it shot up exponentially

[gloomy bloom]

I remember having like 3-4k latinum at one point thinking I was rich and could speed up anything I wanted. Now I get something like 150-200k latinum a day depending on away missions.

[drifting arch]

wondering what itll be like since the last one i was ops 45 and now im 47

[drifting arch]

oh yeah i didn't even touch mine until i was over 3 mill, so i had 3 or 4 vaults worth of broken rods built up haha

first one i got was 10.5 mill

[gloomy bloom]

Just keep going. Don't listen to anyone who tells you you need to camp at X OPS level or max this ship or that before you move up. No, you move up until you run out of mats/latinum/rss or your dailies and events have become incredible pains. And likely that'll never happen. I'm using G5 epics and have no trouble completing dailies and events at OPS64

[shy hamlet]

I don't advise camping except in the most of ben situations, just fast ops and slow ops, yeah

[solemn plaza]

I mean....I had to camp for a bit to catch up lol.

[shy hamlet]

maximize time in sweet spots, but not at the expense of delaying future sweet spots you're prepared to head to

[shy hamlet]

you would have had a Ben sitiation if you didn't

[drifting arch]

Yeah, I just got to ops 47 last week, so lots of research and buildings from ops 45 to 47 to do. But I have 2 G4 Uncs to tier 10, one G4 rare to tier 5, will be tier 6, maybe 7 tomorrow. and all the specialty ships except Reliant and GS-31. so I think camping is a good idea haha. so i've lots going haha

[shy hamlet]

I would have suggested you take your ten ops over 5-6 months instead of like 2 lol

[gloomy bloom]

Why did you "have to" camp? Catch up what?

Here's a ton of G3 and G4 research I still haven't completed and I do just fine.

[solemn plaza]

Yeah that was horrible and I dont ever want to experience it again.

[twilit lintel]

BOOM @dull mason

[shy hamlet]

3 years and ten ops I believe

[drifting arch]

what do you mean?

[shy hamlet]

for soap, not you, sorry

[little violet]

Boo..I liked it better when it was unlimited

[solemn plaza]

Cuz I jumped 14 ops levels in under 2 months. Having just come back to the game after a 3 year break.

And being ops 56 with a lvl40 Artifact gallery was no good.

[gloomy bloom]

I mean... depending on where you were in OPS at the start, doesn't seem completely crazy to me anymore. Power creep has become massive in this game. A 10m Augur used to be huge. Mine are now like 55-60m? You can stretch ships a long, long time these days

[drifting arch]

sounds like me until recently haha i had 15 levels differnce between my ops and the buildings level

now my Q's court...my god haha

ops 47 and the building is 31 bahah

[drifting arch]

you still have yours?

i ask as i have all 3 g3 epics maxed

[solemn plaza]

My CC is only level50. Things a pain to upgrade.

[drifting arch]

yeah it is, kind of like the ACC haha

[shy hamlet]

I mean, I'm trying to max cc, several officers, and several artifacts before 66 but I don't think I'm gonna wait on them

[gloomy bloom]

Built and scrapped probably a dozen+ of each

I use them for event points so I don't have to run around killing FKR hostiles

[shy hamlet]

dang faction hunt

[drifting arch]

oh okay haha i was gonna say

[gloomy bloom]

I love it when it shows up. Easy FKR creds

[shy hamlet]

I scrap mine t9 l1 these days

[drifting arch]

fair enough

[gloomy bloom]

Any event where I don't have to undock a ship to complete it? chef's kiss

[drifting arch]

sadly can't scrap them until ops 50, 3 more levels to go

[gloomy bloom]

You see? Life only gets better as you move up in OPS 😄

[solemn plaza]

We really need to make sure youre not here when Ben shows up.

[gloomy bloom]

I don't know who that is, but I'm always willing to explore the misfortunes of others as a learning experience

[drifting arch]

thats my probelm right now, i don't get enough credits a day to do anything, mostly cause i am going for the second faction lock haha

[grim thistle]

ben must be 70 by now

[shy hamlet]

I've done an ops or more a month through g4,g5&g6, though one way or another that ends this year almost certainly.
it's for sure doable, you just gotta be smart about it

[grim thistle]

sure if you never undock, just level the buildings and do old loops

[solemn plaza]

He's still stuck at 56 behind ACC.

[drifting arch]

like a lot of things haha

[grim thistle]

ah the rare armada cores, that does require a large wallet or grinding some armadas

[drifting arch]

that buidling is a PINTA anyways haha

[gloomy bloom]

I thought G6 would go slower. I hit OPS56 in November, 60 around Feb, now 64 about to hit 65. Still not spending anything

[shy hamlet]

gotta hit big armadas successfully. hard to do in a solo alliance with bad crews & ships

I found it quite easy tbh

[solemn plaza]

If you have the ability to solo the lvl60 fkr armadas its pretty easy. Just take a little time.

[grim thistle]

wheel out vindi once per month to top up armada credits back when i needed them

[solemn plaza]

Which at ops 56 you most definitely should be able to solo lvl60 fkr armadas.

[drifting arch]

but how easy do the directives come?

[grim thistle]

takes a few weeks to recharge FKR directives

easier if in alliance

[gloomy bloom]

Not necessarily true. Depends a lot on ships and research. If you've rushed 56 you're not going to get everything right away. That's okay if you have an alliance behind you.

My alliance has 103 members. I was getting the benefit of running G5 armadas (those starter chests are wild) in the mid G4s, and 60s nonstop since like OPS50

[oak basin]

the whole point is that if your research is where it should be, you can do things, that falling behind in research is 'bad'

[grim thistle]

vindi can solo most FKR stuff for me, even the xindi are trivial

[solemn plaza]

It's just rare that are a pain to get.

[gloomy bloom]

There's no such thing as "falling behind". Don't compare yourself to others at your same OPS level. Compare yourself to others who were the same capability as you a year or two ago.

[oak basin]

disagree

[gloomy bloom]

Are there a lot of other OPS64 players stronger than me? Yes. But the players who were OPS39 the same time I was are mostly low to mid G5 right now

[shy hamlet]

falling behind is incredibly real. when dailies, events, and other pulls get difficult, you're probably behind

[oak basin]

even by that metric, you can fall behind

[gloomy bloom]

And I crush them 10/10 every single time we meet.

[grim thistle]

if you dont have the epic of your grade, it will be a struggle - many challenges require a decent FKR ship

[shy hamlet]

pushing ops is good more than it's recommended, but you can certainly push fast enough that it slows you down overall because of how little you can do

[gloomy bloom]

The only G4 epic I ever had was an Ent-A that I scrapped immediately to feed my Ent-D

[oak basin]

g4 epics are kinda irrelevant, rares will carry you to g5 without issue

[gloomy bloom]

I went Augur -> Pilum -> VorCha (which I only T4'd) -> Sanctus -> Rotty + Ent-D. And I'm skipping the G6 UCs entirely.

[oak basin]

they had their time, but that was when servers were predominantly g4 locked and g5 couldn't be accessed

[grim thistle]

yeah skip uc in general unless its like kelvin and you a fresh faced newbie with low power etc

[oak basin]

all 3 g3 epics -> valdore -> pilum -> all 3 g5 uncs, saving for rare(s) atm

[grim thistle]

g4 ascendants often arrive with miserable little sallys

[gloomy bloom]

Actually with Janeway, maxed Ent (the 34E) will carry you easily past mid G4 anymore

Skipping the 34 Enterprise is a massive mistake in my opinion. That ship is absolutely insane with modern officers

It's been a while since I played with it, but last I did I was killing level 54 FKR hostiles with a 34 Ent

[shy hamlet]

especially with the current state of JW sourcing

[solemn plaza]

G3 ent solos 60 fkr armadas

[grim thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-i-have-the-power-sword-gif-5305079

[gloomy bloom]

She's so broken with that ship's ability. Janeway/Kirk/BLT, all dmg goes into the shields and Kirk keeps the shields up.

[solemn plaza]

Ew Kirk on a pve ent 🤮🤮

[shy hamlet]

kirk good; max kim is hard for low ops players

it's spock that's terrible

[pastel ibex]

Blt?

[solemn plaza]

They're a G6 player saying Kirk on an ent.....thats the ew.

[late pawn]

Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato.

[grim thistle]

eh the ent ability is good but you can get morale from kim once hes good

[shy hamlet]

g3 ent, contextually for lower ops. It makes sense

[pastel ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[gloomy bloom]

Torres, she was even called BLT by her academy friend

[shy hamlet]

BeLanna Torres

[grim thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/blt-bacon-lettuce-tomato-sandwich-blt-sandwich-b-l-t-gif-5297073249679730944

[pastel ibex]

Where do i get her

[solemn plaza]

Kim's also in Augment now. And hes been in the WoK recruit event store thingy.

[gloomy bloom]

If you don't have BLT, go Janeway/Kirk/Doc and swap the BD mitigation for health or damage

[shy hamlet]

yes, but max before 45? I think that's very few players

[midnight marten]

During the recent server merge, why did they not address the player/mining node imbalance it created? F2P players are now forced to PvP other players survey ships or they'll never mine again. Retaliation risk extreme!

[grim thistle]

most reliable BLT sourcing is exborg

[gloomy bloom]

I honestly don't understand the pushback to Kirk on the Ent bridge crew. You can use the BD slot for something else. There's plenty of choices nowadays

[grim thistle]

but the event stores for a lot of officers nowadays

[humble orbit]

Kirk's good for Morale, so long as you have a source of that with decent uptime, you're good to go.

[solemn plaza]

If they're slow playing could be entirely possible with current stat of the game.
If they're just rushing ops as the same player also suggested then no they won't have Kim maxed nor most of the other stuff that you actually need to not completely brick your account. Looks at Ben....

[shy hamlet]

I didn't have max kim till last month lol

[grim thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/shakes-head-ensign-harry-kim-star-trek-voyager-no-gif-23357730

[shy hamlet]

keep in mind prevailing advice from some CC's would have you spend a year at 39 alone

[gloomy bloom]

I've rushed OPS like crazy since about OPS41, never slowed, always focused all mats on next OPS level, never had an issue. If someone managed to "brick their account", they made some incredibly poor choices along the way.

[shy hamlet]

so yeah, some advice to go faster is correct comparatively

[late pawn]

That's horrible advice.

[solemn plaza]

Wait til Ben shows up. Then you shall see the most bricked account you could possibly find.

[late pawn]

I'm Ops 61, and I don't slow down to "camp" .. It's worthless.

[shy hamlet]

well. yes.

[humble orbit]

He's doing fine lately from what I've seen.

[grim thistle]

yea getting the G3 epic to max was a solid hold as the step up to G4 for daily goals used to be decent
now sure, enough power inflation you can prob skip the epic but suffer on any loop that requires core power

[solemn plaza]

He's been doing better since he left the pirate alliance.

[shy hamlet]

to Ben's credit, he's stuck at the same ops for a while too

[late pawn]

There's no way to 'brick' your account. You can definitely make it harder on yourself a bit though. But easy to recover.

[solemn plaza]

Because he cant ops up. He's stuck at 56 because of ACC level.

[gloomy bloom]

Sally's a great ship, probably the best ship in the game pound for pound with that insane firing pattern, but the leap to the 34 Ent is so enormous it's not worth trying to skip. Just don't camp ti get it up there.

[shy hamlet]

if he's unintentionally doing a helpful thing it's still helpful

[gloomy bloom]

I would like to meet this Ben and understand exactly how he got himself into trouble, because as a nearly f2p player pushing OPS as fast as I possibly can for a couple years now, I've never struggled and don't understand how you could.

[solemn plaza]

The Drunk driver crashing into the Car thieves.

[shy hamlet]

the trick is to do things while you ops up instead of focusing on just hitting that button

if you do things it's much harder to get behind

[humble orbit]

Most people are camping too much, a little increase in difficulty is probably the worst you'd see, and it opens up leaning opportunities and new goals to achieve.

[shy hamlet]

that's probably harsher than necessary lol

[gloomy bloom]

Yeah I mean, maybe if you're not doing any ship upgrades, any research, anything else anywhere on your account, at some point sure it's got to get hard. But even the most rudimentary planning keeps you just fine

[solemn plaza]

Multitude a poor decision. Not doing anything but the minimal requirements to hit the ops up button.

[solemn plaza]

I can go find the Video of Ben's car.....

[gloomy bloom]

Yeah, I'm not advocating that. I'm saying don't ever intentionally "camp" or "catch up". Go as fast as you can in OPS, but also keep other stuff cooking along the way.

[grim thistle]

if you only ever do buildings and nothing else, you will gimp yourself hard

[gloomy bloom]

And focus on efficiency research before anything else all along the way. Max that stuff.

[grim thistle]

sure your ops level will be high but your core power will be low

[gloomy bloom]

Sure, but my goodness. That's like... intentionally trying to hurt yourself for some reason.

[shy hamlet]

I'm seeing cascading effects in g6.
Max vs t3 Voyager rares being the difference between loot crew or not on solos decreases those pulls, slows down a lot of other armadas too

[solemn plaza]

Ok so all the advice.you just gave...pretend to totally ignore all of it and only do ops upgrades.

[shy hamlet]

and a lot of g6 speed is influenced by armadas or krenim right now I think

[grim thistle]

ye the blueprints

krenim let me beat all my rep shortfalls

now its feeding blueprints

[dull mason]

I hate Kren event's

[stark fjord]

I baught the new ship yay and I use some lat to pick up the other two g5 uc ships 🙂

[gloomy bloom]

All the advice I gave was around not sitting around trying to get all your buildings "caught up" or research "caught up" or ships maxed out.

[stark fjord]

now I just need to get the other two g5 raress 🙂

[grim thistle]

reliant is a good pick for you ben, help solve your officer shortage

[stark fjord]

and the 3 mining ships g5 and the 3 g5 epics 🙂

[gloomy bloom]

You never sit at any OPS level. You're always moving up in OPS. Always prioritizing OPS. But also doing other stuff along the way. Always planning for your next ship. Getting the faction credits ready for it so when you get shipyard 56, you have the credits and rep ready to buy and T5 a Sanctus on the spot, so you can keep pushing OPS

[solemn plaza]

I mean the push ops but keep up with all the other stuff and primarily do efficiency.

[oak basin]

could probably skip the miners, ben. just steal oc from ppl instead of mining, works fine

[grim thistle]

3 g5 epics?, where you getting those mats/parts from? dont say credit card

[dull mason]

I've been sitting at L43 since the start of p1

[gloomy bloom]

Get 2-3 Novas and then a Selkie when ready. Don't need any faction miners after the G3 ones

[stark fjord]

lat = $$$

[solemn plaza]

G5 faction miners are good mat dumps for spend events.

[gloomy bloom]

Research is a better mats dump for spend events

That's how you "catch up" on it

[dull mason]

I got the bo'chor from grinding,
And I could pick-up the other 2 today or tomorrow from the stores

[gloomy bloom]

You get the parts for the Rotty from scrapping Pilum, parts for the Ent-D from ISS Jelly -> Ent-A scrap chain, and BS parts because you never spent any G5 rare BS parts on anything

Although in my case I haven't gotten a DD yet. I'm saving those Rom creds for the G6 rare ship

[dull mason]

I scrapped another mayflower
I'm scraping a D3 then after that scrapping a Saladin

[solemn plaza]

Debit card 😉😅

[dull mason]

I don't know if it's worth scrapping a k'vort

[grim thistle]

scrapping a g4 what a week at least - tiering 3 epics, major $$$$$

[tough vapor]

Good evening folks!
...
<@&509690795536941056>
Ham, can you pls give us some news about the https://discord.com/channels/509679626763632640/1369773683245318324 ?
Seems like there was no progress in the last two days.

[solemn plaza]

My G4 epics take about 13 days before helps to scrap.

[gloomy bloom]

Tiering the G3 epics is very easy at higher levels. Efficiency researches and just never really using the parts means the tiers fly off the shelves at $0 cost

[grim thistle]

like im maxing out my converter tokens and still bottlenecked on mats and parts and thats just 1 epic

[opaque crescent]

but eventually you do start to run out of research and start using ships as mat dumps 🙂

[gloomy bloom]

Speaking of researches, the Dolamide particles available in the event store are worth their weight in gold.

[gloomy bloom]

I'm sure that'll eventually happen, but in the meantime I still have G3 and G4 research sitting around, let alone G5.

[grim thistle]

eh im at end of G5 research and its diminishing returns

[grim thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[dull mason]

https://tenor.com/view/sprint-fist-bump-gif-10971576

[solemn plaza]

Im going to once the Hega is done Scrapping

[grim thistle]

ye i got a ent-a in the oven currently, 6d to go

[gloomy bloom]

You max it or go -1 tier?

I scrapped mine early because I didn't need that many parts and I didn't feel like maxing another Jelly

[solemn plaza]

My Ent-A finished Scrapping last week.

[grim thistle]

it was maxxed was done with it after i got the ent-D

[solemn plaza]

I haven't used any of the G4 epics.

[gloomy bloom]

Yeah I never used it. I built it, tiered it up to -1 from max, leveled it up with lat, and then scrapped it all within like 20 minutes

[grim thistle]

im only maxing the sanctus for now

does everything i need and cheaper to repair

[solemn plaza]

Did that last month too.

[gloomy bloom]

Stopped my Sanctus at T6

She started eating rare parts I was going to use for the Rotty

[solemn plaza]

Rare parts are meh. Scrap Hega covers more than you need.

[gloomy bloom]

I got the Sanctus for my birthday last November. Had to really rush to get the shipyard completed. Got it to T5 on day 1, T6 end of December, and there she's sat since.

[abstract fiber]

Am I the only person whose screen filled with pips that I can't get rid of?

[grim thistle]

yeah pips are a bit wild right now

never been fully good

ive learnt to ignore them because they are mostly wrong

[abstract fiber]

I'm talking about every damn pip in the game reset and I can't clear them.

[grim thistle]

i have a few refineries where pips never show
and then i have refineries where they show when nothing is there etc

an easy one, the archive pip count is double for each new entry for example

simple stuff like that

scopes quality always shining through

[gloomy bloom]

They have a lot of quality, it's just low

[grim thistle]

barely functional is like the norm yeah

[unkempt sundial]

@heady moon Is the maintenance announcement what retrieving retrieving retrieving is about?

[slow mica]

@heady moon is this maintenance gonna break the game even more …. Wait wait wait nvm I shouldn’t asked …. It’s definitely gonna break

[heady moon]

Probably the maintenance. Will check!

[grim thistle]

chat finally defaults to alliance?

we can dream

[heady moon]

No silly pants! Its the usual mid-month update.

[grim thistle]

8 weeks and counting for scopes to flip a 1 and 0 probably on some default chat settings

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-maurice-ah-its-fifty-fifty-fifty-fifty-5050-gif-25472268

[slow mica]

Even those updates has it issues … last one forces us to look in GC first lol

[heady moon]

Keeps you on your toes?

[terse mortar]

any 60++ player here for a quick question ?

[abstract fiber]

Are the overlords getting a lot of reports of people being overwhelmed by every pip in the game resetting and not being able to be cleared?

Or am I just that lucky?

[terse mortar]

i have almost 900 hours worth of g6 speed ups , how far that can take me to 61 -62 lvls ?

[cobalt crypt]

Stop using a none mining ship for mining your be destroyed

[heady moon]

I'm seeing superfulous pips too. I'll raise it.

[slow mica]

Ehhh I love GC …. Minus the super annoying crazies … overall it’s a decent place especially with a server merger …. Gotta chat with my farmers 😂

[heady moon]

Clear Loc and it should be good

[unkempt sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-thank-you-tom-hanks-merci-gracias-gif-9173631

[twilit lintel]

best thing scopley did all year

[slow mica]

Or you can just look in #⭐-official-announcements message

Tada

[twilit lintel]

true

but blah

[solemn plaza]

Merger also bought you an overly inflated number of crazies.

[slow mica]

Ooh yeah …. A bunch got added to my mute list

[tiny ivy]

We have like 5 useful or interesting messages in gc per week, the rest is spam, nonsense, trolls or cries about nothing

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/american-dad-drama-roger-gif-20947742

[tiny ivy]

We got the worst drama there is

[warm pivot]

dont say that, you will cause an avalanch of "my server is worse"

[tiny ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/bendy-and-the-ink-machine-bendy-2017-prototype-out-of-the-ink-machine-ollie-bendy-gif-17763589306956153170

[lusty marsh]

Can confirm it's fixed 🙂

[tiny ivy]

Ours is just super repetitive

Always the same stuff, other servers at least get variation

[warm pivot]

dont wait for it to happen, DO IT ^^

[tiny ivy]

Nah, I’d rather check out what happens on other servers

[warm pivot]

being here and criticising everything can be fun too

[tiny ivy]

It’s funnier watching people criticize scopely for their lack of game knowledge

[warm pivot]

i mean yesterday people complained about the bad questions asked in Q&A, but did they even ask one themselve? doubtful ^^

[tiny ivy]

I asked a few but none got answered :/

[warm pivot]

example?

[tiny ivy]

#update-79-ad-hoc-questions message

#update-79-ad-hoc-questions message

[warm pivot]

first one is not arc related but general pvp, thats nothing the arcdesigner can change if its not a big pvp rework arc

[tiny ivy]

#update-79-q-and-a message and this has?👀

[warm pivot]

and the second, its their usual exclusive time of investing 99.99. we even got them to consider sourcing them in a faster way, but you wrapped a complaint into your question

[tiny ivy]

Not entirely, I’m fairly certain I heard something about this in the last Q&A, so wanted to know if something happened there

[cold summit]

Did we free the dti ?

[warm pivot]

partially, yes

[little violet]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[tiny ivy]

The officers are free, although it’s still annoying to have to pull artifacts daily

[warm pivot]

well, that one was general knowledge, i could explain that to you as well. it was just a quick one to make it appear they invest time in silly things as well.i really think they do this in their freetime

[little violet]

only the hair has a cooldown and seska

[warm pivot]

and the 2 artifacts when you reach stage 8 to stop mass exploitation

[little violet]

They have cooldowns?

[warm pivot]

when they are lvl 8, yes

krenim timeweapon and pocketwatch

[little violet]

Meh they change over needing the rare stuff anyway

[tiny ivy]

I mean yeah, but it’s not like my questions didn’t fit the tune of the Q&As.

[little violet]

If you keepthem below tier 8 you can keep pulling shards

[warm pivot]

you complained, that one was obvious. there are thousand ways to phrase it nicer ^^

[tiny ivy]

I also had one about the current game developments (g6 mining nodes)

[tiny ivy]

But I’m not nice 👀

[humble orbit]

Try to tie it in with the arc next time.

[warm pivot]

neither am i, but when it comes to official mails or actual documents via letter i remember my schooltraining xD

[little violet]

The hazard CT needs free to play sourcing day one...

[tiny ivy]

Will try, although that doesn’t seem like a requirement 😄

[tiny ivy]

I mean I try to avoid profanity as much as possible

But that’s it

[warm pivot]

or if its about things a dev cant decide on his own, you must wrap that question in some way to give him a possibility to answer. and not nailing them down on a yes or no. thats not an interview but a q&a ^^

[terse mortar]

i am 60 and have almost 900 hours worth of g6 speed ups , how far that can take me to 61 -62 lvl ? asking to calculate if i can build shipyard + selkie + jump to 62 for uncommons same day

[slow mica]

Oooh purge is back 🥳🥳

[solemn plaza]

I want the Relativity CT

[warm pivot]

for quite some time tbh ^^

[solemn plaza]

Spocks club is your friend.

[terse mortar]

does not have times

[solemn plaza]

It does though.

[slow mica]

Lucky you …. Stocking up Speed ups are a rare thing for G6 players

[terse mortar]

how ?

[little violet]

You say that until hazards start melting your hull in G6land...

[tiny ivy]

I shall endeavor to better myself 👀

[opal meadow]

That's more than enough. I barely had any when I hit 61. It was a struggle for the first week, but after that, I just had tons of them

[little violet]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-butter-melting-melt-gif-26632564

[slow mica]

Packs don’t give u enough and there only a few spaces that actually gives u enough speed ups for few upgrades

[tiny ivy]

Took me around 150 15h speedups for ops 62+ selkie

[terse mortar]

i meant how can i see building times in spocks club

[warm pivot]

below the list of materials needed in "required"

[solemn plaza]

Use the Requirement calculator

[terse mortar]

thats 2250 hours

[little violet]

Signing into spocks club is recommended..

[warm pivot]

oh, the old version

[solemn plaza]

Use the new spock club

[tiny ivy]

I think only the new one has build times in it, never set it up myself

[slow mica]

Ship repairs e speed up are easy to gain …. E speed ups for everything else is a hassle …. You’ll have to grind in mirror space at least 4 times a day to gain sufficient speed ups for the spend event

[warm pivot]

i wont explain the syncing 🫥

[opal meadow]

The only people that get in trouble are people who say terrible things in galaxy chat or PMs or cheaters. You can follow someone around, constantly attack them, constantly raid their base, and when they report it, CS will tell them that this is a PVP game with no PVP rules.

The fact is, they have no rules against griefing in this game, and if they do, they do not enforce it.

If he's talking about getting bullied in chat, then he's correct, but being "bullied" by being constantly attacked by people, no, they don't do anything about that lol. I think that dev is a little bit out of touch

[terse mortar]

yeah freck it , 2250 hours aprox is good enought for me no need the tech lesson

[slow mica]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bye-shoo-go-away-gif-15313860

[little violet]

Haha someone reacted with pinnochio

[tiny ivy]

Half that is enough for selkie and getting close to 62 tho with a buffer

I upgraded some stuff one 62 aswell, had to do 1-2 extra runs for shipyard 63

[terse mortar]

cheers thanks

[opal meadow]

Several of us did because his comment almost laughable. They almost never ban the toxic people in PMs or even galaxy chat. They might perma-mute them, but they almost never ban them.

[little violet]

your biggest problem is going to be sigma par and speed ups

unless the revenant has made that not a problem🤷

[terse mortar]

i am 6th in resources raided leaderboard

[warm pivot]

keep it up 😄

[little violet]

Speed ups will be unless you have farmed mirror 68's

[solemn plaza]

I need to start doing that

[slow mica]

That won’t help you since you can only get 150k e sigma par per day from the refinery then hope your events is giving to the resources u need …which lately they have been

Your only issue will be speeds up

[tiny ivy]

I could do fine without the t10 scrap, but I saved some comp chest stuff, normal rev pulls, monthly chests…

[tiny ivy]

Number one here, can’t even trade stuff in in any significant numbers

[shy hamlet]

rev helps much more with mats/rss than time

[terse mortar]

propably you are not petty enought to drain the target from 1 quadrilion to 0 and get all his sigma

[warm pivot]

sleeping is more fun

[tiny ivy]

I’d love to for one guy, but that dude is botting so he repairs every 1-2 hours and shield juuust before you get there

Others I don’t raid long enough

[terse mortar]

anyway thanks for the help and the info , soap thanks for the 6 useless comments

[opal meadow]

If it's doing an incursion, I absolutely will, but normally, no, it would take way too much time and effort.

[slow mica]

I done that …. Draining a base that had 4t rss …..it took me 3 hours on and off just to get to the e sigma stuff

[opal meadow]

Yeah it's not so bad during an encouraging when you have 200 people draining a base. It goes pretty quick, but outside of an incursion, it just takes way too long to take it down to zero.

[tiny ivy]

Someone on our server pulled an all nighter, raided over 100t and the dude shielded at millions left

[opaque crescent]

yo @heady moon why only a 4 hour golden shield lol - time zones exist, the game will come back after bedtime for some players

[opal meadow]

Put up a 12 hour or 1 day shield before you go to bed on maintenance days. Your point is very valid, but people have been bringing this up for five years, and they haven't changed their policy.

[slow mica]

I hate when they do that

[slow mica]

Yeah I’m not trying to share a base if their numbers are close to the e sigma

[opal meadow]

Oh yeah if it's close to Sigma, I want it all to myself too. lol

However during an incursion, all I care about are getting points for my server for the most part

On a sidenote, I also find it funny that dev was talking about players not abiding by ROE. There is no ROE in this game. It is made up by players, and not officially part of the game whatsoever.

[little violet]

100T would only take about3 hrs to fully drain... honestly unless they have like 20m sigma par and like 10msigma trit I would stop at 800b left not worth the effort

[opal meadow]

And customer service won't do a darn thing if you break whatever ROE the players on a server have made up

[gentle raft]

Not to mention the usual maintenance screwups where as people can't login

[little violet]

Scopely needs to do something about the horrid raiding to get to sigma

[dull mason]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-engi-enigneer-heavy-toolbox-gif-19369474

[humble orbit]

The ToS is the game's roe. Players have found that they like building their own to stack on top of that.

[dull mason]

Scopley Dev 👆🏼

[opal meadow]

Exactly. Outside of the TOS, whatever players make up, no player has to abide by any player made ROE

[tiny ivy]

Could have been more, I just remember 3 digits. And he did have millions, but this guy neeeds to get the message. He got raided like 100 times already

[lapis jolt]

Stop with all the madness

[little violet]

The more you have ... the faster it is to get down below a trillion, but then it gets to be complete crap

[lapis jolt]

Maintenance

[tiny ivy]

Yeah I know, I’ve been raiding here an there

[little violet]

Scopely doesn't care about player made up rules .. Every server is different

[opal meadow]

@humble orbit But the developer was talking like players attacking "outside of ROE" is a problem. It can't be a problem unless it's something that actually violates the terms of service in the game because the game technically has no official rules of engagement.

My point is I can attack a player in this game as much as I want, attack their base as much as as I want, and if they complain to customer service, customer service tells them that this is a PVP game with no combat engagement rules.

The only thing they could really do would be to narrow the PVP level range, or ad systems that don't allow PVP, or institute some official rules of engagement into the game, and I don't think they are going to do the latter (they would lose all their high paying whales if they did that)

[opal meadow]

That's exactly my point which is why the dev talking about ROE was very confusing

[little violet]

Only problem with this.. is you have to play in the same server as everyone else.. If you want to do your own thing.. You will have a lot of players smacking your ships as you play... 🤷

[heady moon]

We usually do 8 hours for arc launches then 4 for midmonth updates. Shouldn't replace your normal shield.

[opal meadow]

My server had a council of alliances that had a very strict ROE rule, and they got overthrown about four years ago. Now it's individual alliances making up their own policy. It's more of a wild wild West on my server. We do have a basic form of ROE, but it's definitely not as complex as many servers out there that I've seen

[humble orbit]

He's talking from the player perspective, and it is a problem for players who feel like they're being bullied.

[tiny ivy]

Ah US server, that checks out then 😅

[humble orbit]

Just because scopely didn't make the roe, it doesn't mean they're blind to the fact that it exists on nearly every server..

[little violet]

hitting miners and floating ships is bullying to most, but not to scopely.. Unless they start pming and shaming/threatening the player

[opal meadow]

I get it, but if they haven't done anything after six years, I highly doubt they will. If they tried to enforce some form of actual official ROE, they would probably lose at least 40% of their player base. At this point it's really too late to redesign that aspect of the game unless they started adding systems where you literally couldn't PVP as in the attack button was grayed out or they narrow the level range

There's no way they are going to tell people you can't attack people or you can't raid their base, or you can't declare war on their alliance. That is just not going to happen.

[little violet]

Declaring war is just the nice way of sayin I am going to attack you when I see your ships lol

[silver parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/xafer-catmeme-meme-cat-soldiarcat-gif-4196924155144969562

[opal meadow]

I think what would help would be to have some mining token systems that didn't allow PVP ... very small so the entire server can't camp it, etc. And maybe have some pve systems that are locked out from being PvP

[humble orbit]

Sounds like a system that has a bunch of taken nodes and no way to clear them.

[little violet]

They would just sit on the 0 nodes and you wouldn't be able to clear them 🤣

[tiny ivy]

Personal pocket nodes?

[little violet]

Like people do now.. Mining is not how youplay that game 🤣

[opal meadow]

That's where skilled programmers come in and if the node is zero, the attack button would be able to be used versus locked out

[tiny ivy]

Enter a mirror dimension where only you get to mine

[humble orbit]

Take over Origin space and you can dictate how you want to allow people to mine.

[opaque crescent]

i’d rather they just give g6 real token systems with lots of fast nodes

[little violet]

Infact the refinery is terrible except the new ship part overhaul

[opal meadow]

There's some very (relatively ) simple programming that could be done to add some basic ROE into some systems if they really really wanted to

[humble orbit]

The game already has basic roe.

[vapid ferry]

Right now for example, the big alliances on our server are camping Aug space and mission points.

There have also been blatant violations of TOS which just get shrugged off because they're spenders. (Even guilt tripping someone into handing over their account to the big alliance).

[humble orbit]

If you can attack, then you're allowed.

[little violet]

They could set attack limits too. Like some other games.. You can't attack this player after 5 hits.. Bases are not included in that.. Unless they attack you back

[warm pivot]

that would cripple most pvp events for newcomers on older server with nobody in their banding range

[opal meadow]

Yeah that works too. I'm not completely insensitive to players who are constantly being attacked. I know that it happens.

But if someone complains to customer service, and I've seen screenshots, claiming that they are being bullied by constantly being attacked, CS comes back and tells them there are no PVP rules in this game and people can attack them as often as they like.

There was a Reddit thread that someone was claiming that my alliance was constantly attacking him, and he's been marked permanently Kos by my alliance because he said some really racist and really nasty things. Cs told him there are no PVP rules in this game and people are free to attack him as often as they like

Every time we see him, we kill his warships, his miners, and drain his base. If he's trying to do an event, he gets slaughtered.

[little violet]

They could set systems that ignore that like TC ignores pvp banding

[opaque crescent]

gotta assume that happens on almost every server tho

[warm pivot]

sounds like a workload increase 😅

[opaque crescent]

good for you, make the racist suffer. our token racist sits at ops 27 so can’t really be hit by anyone.

[opal meadow]

But what ToS violations are you talking about? the TOS doesn't prevent people from attacking your warships anytime they want as far as I know. However, if there are other TOS violations, then yeah you should definitely report it, but often CS tends to ignore it unfortunately

We had an alliance doing this on my server, and we just came along and obliterated them

[opal meadow]

That's what gets people permanently on kos list: racism, harassment in GC, harassment in PMS, and constantly sweeping our miners (outside of row . Once you get on our kos list, it's near impossible to get off

[naive escarp]

anyone else see the irony in the first question? lol

[little violet]

I don't even see the first question

[warm pivot]

mmo player in some way complaining about having to invest time
#update-79-q-and-a

[naive escarp]

the first question was about the time consuming grinds in game that no one has time for

"It looks like Mister tiger needs more time. Let's jump into the 2nd question"

[warm pivot]

design and liveops really need to communicate more. but when only mentioning tasks it could mean the loop itselve or the events

[naive escarp]

and then the players who do have the time, have to navigate around a hostile cap because scopely doesnt have the time or resources to properly identify "bots"

[little violet]

I see a bunch of tap dancing around questions like this is a debate 🤣

[naive escarp]

altho i've not seen any players mention bots, would love to see how common they are in 2025.

[little violet]

Which is why I didn't participate. Cause I would be either muted or banned from this channel

[naive escarp]

yeah i dont participate, doesnt offer me anything and its time consuming, i just wanted the red blips gone from my screen so had a look at the first question and seen some of the end when scrolling to the end to get rid of red blips.

[little violet]

Should be fairly easy to identify a bot player..

[naive escarp]

the hard part is identifying a bot player and someone just hardcore grinding for real

as someone with only 3 dry docks i can hit the cap quite easily

[little violet]

A lot of that auto grinding augs .. Or you are very dedicated

3 docks grinding that much is Oof

[naive escarp]

i don't have the luxury of auto grinding, but it would def help as u can do that in your sleep

[little violet]

Hate to tell you this, but grinding tons on smaller faction ships is a waste of time honestly

[naive escarp]

grinding augment ships give what advantage?

[little violet]

Ship xp

[naive escarp]

like how big would the advantage a bot gains from it

[little violet]

You would not bot the regular aug area.. As there are no hostiles to hit anyway 🤣

They bot grind rep

although G6,... You get 2b rep a day per factions without grinding so botting is pointless

[naive escarp]

so the advantage bots gain is not so large?

[little violet]

not really honestly

[naive escarp]

i cant auto grind faction space, im triple locked

[little violet]

Except sigma speed ups from mirror universe

[naive escarp]

mirror is ops 40 and above?

[little violet]

Sigma is G6

Meaning 61+

[naive escarp]

i dunno if id risk a high ops account to bot to gain what exactly? seems like nothing to gain

cant sell your account, cant sell items in game

botting does it even exist?

never seen players mention bots being a problem or even existing

[little violet]

It does cause people are lazy

[opaque crescent]

lol lots of high level players bot… a lot of whales pay to not play

[little violet]

Think bots are free, but idk for sure

[naive escarp]

scopeley probably has bots in the game though, their own bots, thats a more interesting discussion and aspect

[opaque crescent]

some are, not all. i’ve never used one but tbh i don’t really care if people do or not. can sometimes give you very funny kills because the bot just keeps returning to the same spot

[little violet]

that is the best way to know if someones botting they return over and over over to the same system

[naive escarp]

so they bot faction rep? do they not take damage on their ships?

[little violet]

There is no way to hit a hostile without damage.. They shoot first always

[opaque crescent]

or mirror, yes they do but the bot just repairs and resends

[warm pivot]

borg 29 system

[naive escarp]

well would be interesting to see how many whales bot and which ops are the highest concentration of bots, ban a few whales for botting and the rest would soon stop lol. but scopely loses whale money.

[little violet]

Mirror is probably tricky since the bot has to move the ship through each system. Probably why you can't select a system and just pay the tokens to get there

[naive escarp]

so even with the cap, players are botting, they just gain significantly less in scopelys eyes with the cap in place.

[opal meadow]

That's why we have the 2K limit because of the botters on pc/mac

If it weren't for them, we probably would have no hostile daily limited all

[vapid ferry]

The camping of systems is an example of bullying, and there is something in tos about forcing gameplay or something, I'd have to look when I get a moment.

The tos violations were a lot of account trading.

[naive escarp]

yeah im pretty sure that much was obvious lol

im just wondering is it a problem for scopelys accounts or is it a problem for players not botting

[opal meadow]

I've read it forwards and backwards, and there's nothing in there that mentions anything about combat gameplay. Pretty much covers bullying and harassing in chats.

But yeah TOS violations are big time if you trade sell or buy your account, that is a Perma ban

[dull mason]

Give us ALL some hostile Hirogen and Jem Hadar system's..
We are probably all fed-up with all the Grind 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[naive escarp]

does it make the top 10 of problems in game for players

[opal meadow]

There was someone camping the augment system for the past week killing everybody left and right, and people complained to customer service, and customer service told them that there are no rules for PVP combat in the game, and that maybe they should just try to go back to the system when those people aren't there.

[hot token]

I wouldn't leave it up to software, but analyzing the play activity for suspicious patterns would be fairly easy. Real humans rarely react with identical timing and patterns, while bot software is probably running on set parameters, and is therefore predictable.

[opal meadow]

You get in trouble for cheating, harassing and bullying in chats, buying, selling, trading accounts, but I have yet to see a single instance where they took action to get somebody for their PVP combat gameplay. I would be really surprised to see proof of that happening when they weren't doing something else naughty.

[vapid ferry]

The problem is, these are the top two powers, including one that consolidated most of the lvl 70s. Most of the players have just given in to them and won't stand up.

[opal meadow]

Yeah luckily we didn't have any of that on my server. The people doing it were like 65 and they were easily driven away

What the Dave should do is disable the attack button on players for that system

[naive escarp]

yeah scopely doesnt want to reply on software either, but they dont want to assign someone to do that task, it takes up too much time and time is money. the cap was the best solution they could come up with to date.

[dull mason]

That's why I said that we need transfer options,
Or transfer the troublemakers into a locked system

[opal meadow]

That would take some fairly complex server-side software or installing something like easy and anti cheat on the PC or Mac to monitor what the player is doing, but all of that costs money, and they don't want to spend money if they don't have to. So a daily hostile limit was the cheap and easiest thing to do

[hot token]

Yes, which is why you have software identify suspicious patterns and a human to review them and take action when they have the time.

[opal meadow]

They won't do that. That takes time and money. If they aren't fixing all of the bugs in the game because they don't want to spend the time & budget, they definitely aren't going to be doing that

[minor furnace]

Just remember that a company will most likely do nothing unless it involves anything legal, civil or criminal.

[hot token]

I think it logs activity and time/date already, I've had CS quote something that sounded an awful lot like a log to me before. If that's the case, simply analyzing the log later would do something.

[opal meadow]

Don't get me wrong. It isn't that hard to implement anti-cheating, but there is a cost associated with it that they clearly don't want to pay

[naive escarp]

i used to play a space ship game that had locked systems, u couldnt leave if someone had u engaged, sometimes ud run around the map of the systems for hours trying to tire them out lol. if no one was there u could pass through, but if someone was waiting or entered while u were there, it was like a gauntlet to the death lol

[opal meadow]

But even that's dangerous because someone like me who has very quick hands, I can actually attack hostiles for more/faster than any bot can on the PC Mac.

I would be one of those people innocently flagged. Not to mention there's now the auto Q artifact that you can queue up to 20 or 30 hostile at a time. That's basically a mini bot in the game right then and there

[minor furnace]

Use that to your advantage and a response will be made.

[dull mason]

That sounds Horrible

[opal meadow]

And when you really get down to it, botting keeps those people who don't like grinding from quitting the game... and that means additional revenue for the studio. So it's much easier to just set a 2K limit and basically turn a blind eye to it

[hot token]

It would have to be done correctly. As you are tired, distracted, angry, happy, hungry, etc. your behavior and response times will vary for you. A bot might not. It might, but that would be a more complicated one. Only really suspicious behavior should even get flagged anyway, for someone to look at.

[opal meadow]

The bots actually vary speed and delay randomly. From what I've seen, none of them out there just go full steam. They randomly pause, speed up, slow down, etc. i'm not talking just about this game. I'm talking about bots for pretty much any online game

So again having logs of player activity in this case would be completely useless. They actually go far slower than any player would normally grind. They just do it over a long period of time.

Now if they were to say a long activity could be suspected of bots, a player could simply say "well my husband or wife grind for me or I let my kids do it too"

What EverQuest 2 did was the guides and GM would send private messages to people suspected about doing this

And if you didn't reply, bad]n hammer

[hot token]

Okay, I'm not familiar with them (or gaming in general), I did not know that. Realistically, you're never going to catch all of them, but you might be able to catch a few really badly done bots.

[opal meadow]

They could see you were active, and not replying would assume you were "AFK playing the game"

[vapid ferry]

It's in the player community guidelines.

[opal meadow]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning it. I don't like cheating, but many online gaming companies turned up blind eye unless it disrupts the economy and gameplay of other players, and it doesn't really have all that much of an impact on this game as it has no economy, and a player getting faction little bit faster, is not really going to hurt the other players not that much. True it does give them an advantage, but a relatively small one in the grand scheme of things

[naive escarp]

scopley makes grinds that 99% of players dont have time for, the actual grinders are 0.1% according to scopely and dont matter.
so punishing the minority to contain the majority is their solution.
or is the solution to not make grinds and change the style of advancing in game and rewards some sort of game play?

[opal meadow]

From what I have seen that still has nothing to do with combat, and if I mistaken then I would love for someone to show me otherwise. I have read all of that

Everything under community guidelines has to do with interacting with players in chat, etc. and nothing to do with strictly PVP combat

I don't see anything in the community guideline saying that you cannot attack someone's base as much as you want, you cannot attack their ships or mining ships as much as you want. That simply does not exist there

There's this, but that is very generic and highly subjective: - Driving players away from the game. This is pretty much under communicating with other players in chat and PMs, and has absolutely nothing to do with combat gameplay.

[placid burrow]

One could argue that camping a system can drive players away from this game. but you're right its not specifically in there.

I myself would just move systems

Unless of course you are trying to do a thing such as a Q trial hostile at which point one could probably just as the player to let you do that

[opal meadow]

I mean I don't get me wrong I would actually argue that. I am against bullying people. I'm just arguing the fact that this game has absolutely zero rules for engagement for combat. However once you start bullying people in chat and global chat, that's when the studio does start to take action as that is a clear TOS violation

I mean there was a viral Reddit post a few months ago of this woman who was in global chat threatening to unalive someone and their family, and all they did was get a permanent mute because they are a high spender. They didn't even get banned from the game. Someone just put up another video of this person STILL in the game. They are just unable to chat. However, they spent like $10,000 a month in the game. So the studio isn't going to get rid of a player like that

[brave ore]

BONUS STREAM! Tonight we'll grind out in STFC a bit, OR play a community choice game! The players have earned the choice on tonight's community choice game night! STFC on a Friday Night? or Freaky Friday Frights? Whatever you guys want is what we do! LET'S ROCK ON!

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[placid burrow]

But if they're camping that system they probably aren't up for negotiations. And that then could fall under bullying. And we all know that internet bullying is not rihht

[opal meadow]

DJ! You scrolled the chat lol

[placid burrow]

Lol

I don't like to interact with scopely in any other way than to just play the game ftp. They do too much that is morally questionable for me to see them as propper people

Whats that smell

[opal meadow]

I agree that camping systems like that shouldn't be allowed, but unfortunately customer service tells people they do not get involved in the PVP aspects of the game unless someone's being harassed in private messages or global chat.

They basically have a pre-written canned response they send people anytime they get a complaint that someone is PVP too much against them

[naive escarp]

i've had a player camped outside my base for 2 years from hitting their opc lat miner during lat rush lol.
in game attacks on others ships and stations would never fall under a violation of any sort.
and scopely made the brilliant addition of station location scanning lol.
scopely made us all sign an agreement to play this game that they think covers most things, they don't enforce their tos violations
unless it was someone maliciously attacking their servers or something.
and yes chat bans and temp game bans have happened in the past for chat violations, those usually need to be reported though.

[opal meadow]

That's exactly what I've been saying

With the ability on the voyager ship they actually enabled further PVP grieving by easily pinpointing someone's base

And now with the NX, you can peek in the dark space find people to blow up

Their actions are literally just encouraging people to go beat up on other people in the game

[wet steeple]

Who all got the Reliant and thinks its worth it? If any please tell me why. I think it's a flop.

[opal meadow]

Even at T 10 it can barely kill level 56. Although if level 70 had a tier 10, then it could probably kill a level 58

It's going to take people months and months and months or several thousand dollars to make that ship viable

[naive escarp]

the whole arcs a flop, so were u suprised the reliant follows the trend? lol

[wet steeple]

Yea I got kinda hopefull. Scopely fooled me again.

[opal meadow]

The problem with the reliant is they made it available to ops 26 and above. So out of the box it is completely useless for most players

It should've been limited to level 42. So out of the box it was useful to most people... or give people an extra chest to level it up to tier 5 depending on their ops level

[naive escarp]

its ops/shipyard 26? wow might have to level up lol

[placid burrow]

I have a great idea

[opal meadow]

It literally pops out of the box, and even at 62, I couldn't even kill a level 34 augment with it 🤣

[naive escarp]

its giving me franklin vibes

[opal meadow]

To get it somewhat useful to somebody who's high G5, or low G6 would take months or $1000

[naive escarp]

early ops but useless out the box

[opal meadow]

They should've just released two ships to be honest an ops 26 version and an ops 42 version

[naive escarp]

oh thats coming for sure lol

after u spend the 1k tho

then u gotta spend 2k for the new version

[opal meadow]

Once it hits T10 and needs rare material to level up, then it starts getting really powerful

But up until t8 to t10, it's basically a wet sponge

[naive escarp]

surely it has at least 1 small advantage? right? right?

[wet steeple]

wouldn't spend another penny on it, will do the F2P with it from here on out.

[opal meadow]

And I get ships starting out not being super powerful, but this thing literally starts out completely useless to the average player

Because the average player is not sitting down in g2

Average is g3/g4 with more in g4

[naive escarp]

yeah be interesting to see the most common ops level in game now, used to be a few in a 30's range, sure its shifted to the 40's range by now

[opal meadow]

There's actually a website you can see every single player in the entire game, but I forgot where it is, and it will tell you averages and all that kind of stuff

There's far more people in this game than I thought there was ... only a fraction of the player base gets on the discord servers

[hot token]

The WoK hostile events would be better if players could at least hit their ops level in AE hostiles, I have not seen that. With or without the Reliant.

[dull mason]

https://tenor.com/view/kyuuchan-gif-20730173

[opal meadow]

Even with the reliant they can't hit their ops level because if you're up in G6, it would take about $2000 or more to get the ship G6 capable

[naive escarp]

far less imo, most play alts but complain they dont have time to grind lol, but they have time to run multiple accounts.

[opal meadow]

It wouldn't be so bad if they did the events assuming you could only hit 10 levels underneath you. That would make everything a lot better

[dull mason]

It's a rigged set-up

[hot token]

I figured out how to get to -6 levels, finally. Too late now though.

[opal meadow]

They advertise the ship about making the grind easier and all this stuff easier, but unless you're willing to wait months and months and months, or pay 1000 to $2000, that's not going to happen.

I mean just owning it makes things easier in the augment store. So I'll give it that, but it doesn't really help the grind right out of the box whatsoever . If people pay $100 for a ship, it needs to have some use out of the box

[humble orbit]

Overestimating the cost there. G6 wouldn't need 2k, maybe only whales that want that much development to hit instead of their warships.

[hot token]

I would hazard a guess that no ops 40 can hit the AE 40's, for example.

[opal meadow]

That's true level 70 players are often hitting the 60s, but even the level 70s on the server aren't hitting level 70s, and the events are still often a grind needing several hundred to complete them because the event expects them to be hitting level 70 augments.

A lot of the problems could be solved if the designers of the events assumed people could only hit things 5 to 10 levels under their ops

[naive escarp]

what do you mean when u say instead of their warships? is the reliant supposed to be for the new hostiles? instead of using your warships? isnt that the whole point of the reliant? a specialty ship. at least make it useful if not reliable lol

[opal meadow]

I'm actually not because I'm one of the people who have dropped that much and it's not having that much of an impact. $1000, and the ship still can't hit anything at my ops level

[humble orbit]

There are a lot of grinds (A, B, C, D) in there, and the ship would help the average player when they're doing the C grind. The average player isn't there yet, and aren't finding it terribly useful yet. Lower level players would definitely find it useful to start their loops.

The ship can provide a decent source of Trophies while afkgrinding. The loop requires a ton of this down the line.

[naive escarp]

thats a good point, what do the trophies do?

[opal meadow]

Sure there are some lower level players who are greatly benefiting, but the average player is not under level 30. The average level player who's getting this ship is 40+, and this ship won't even touch level 40 augments right out of the box. That will take people a couple of weeks to get, or at least 100 or $200 in level up packs for the ship

My point is, if we buy $100 for a ship, we expect it to be somewhat useful like other ships have been in the past. We shouldn't have to spend $300-$1000 to just get moderate use out of the ship

[silver parcel]

used for spawning khan champions

which gives currency for unlocking khan, and the khan favor

[naive escarp]

must be an ops based thing, not seen those yet.

[silver parcel]

need 60m rep in augment to start the loop

so getting the trophies ahead of time will be useful

[naive escarp]

60 mill? ok well thats never happening lol

[humble orbit]

I don't think the events expect players to have relevant ships, and many players are finding them doable even f2p with no ship. The ship could help the events, but it isn't necessary.

[silver parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sterling-archer-not-with-that-attitude-phrasing-danger-zone-you-wont-gif-15030190

[naive escarp]

common exchange gives me 10k rep i think

[opal meadow]

The ones that have been out in the last few days actually do. Have you seen the people complaining about it here on the discord servers? It's a horrible grind just like people complained about in part one. The five day event is clearly designed to be used with the ship.

Sure it can be done without the reliant, but then you have to be a player that's highly overpowered for your ops level and nearly maxed your ships out which most people just don't do anymore. The game now encourages people to Ops up which works for all other content in the game but not for this content

If you are average or weak for your ops level, this art is especially punishing

[humble orbit]

I've seen them, yes, but people have a wide variety of development in the game, and lagging behind in some areas can be detrimental to finishing events with some of the hardest hostiles in the game.

[hot token]

So what level hostile would you expect an ops 40 to be working on, assuming above-average development?

[humble orbit]

The 6 day event isn't a reliant event, use a regular ship to do that. I'm certain it'll be much faster/cheaper than a reliant approach.

[humble orbit]

For the most part, events are designed for players hitting even levels.

[opal meadow]

I didn't mean it required the event. I meant that it was designed with the reliant in mind, and punishing if you don't have the ship, or if you are average or weak for your ops level.

That's my problem with the events in this entire arc since part one. They should've been designed assuming a player has to hit 5 or so levels underneath their ops

[hot token]

Well, that would be an ops 40 working on 95 million strength ships.

[opal meadow]

And I'm 62, and the events expect me to kill a 62, and those kill my maxed out g5 epic dead

[naive escarp]

everything im reading is not selling the ship lol, which is fine because i was never buying it anyway

[opal meadow]

My G5 epic can only kill 56s, and my reliant can only kill 54 reliably. ]
Granted I can leave the reliant out overnight so it's not that big of a problem. But for people who can't do that, it's a horrible grind

[solemn plaza]

That sounds like a crew issue

Im able to kill lvl60s with a Sanctus.

[humble orbit]

Ship tier is only one factor. Is there room for improvement elsewhere? crew? research? buildings? artifacts?

[naive escarp]

unless your account is level 99 with EVERYTHING else maxed, don't expect to see great results. im sure scopely has done testing using accounts of that level lol.

[opal meadow]

Oh yeah there's definitely a room for improvement elsewhere. And of course I always work on that, but I've never ever ever had a problem with ANY ARC in the game. So I still go back to the point that this arc was badly designed and only really works for people who are strong for their ops level

[humble orbit]

They actually do testing from a variety of development levels. Some of them are weaker than my account.

[naive escarp]

most players would not believe they do testing at all lol

[opal meadow]

And yet they still released something that's been punishing to tons and tons of people. Have you not seen the thousands of complaints about this arc all over this discord server and Reddit? That right there tells you it was designed wrong and tested wrong, or they simply just didn't care and felt like they wanted to pressure people to spend money

[solemn plaza]

I have the ship T1. And only use it to get chests to start champions. Been leaving it in lvl26 system all day/night.

[humble orbit]

They've seen it yes, but that doesn't mean difficulty wasn't balanced. If they designed it to be difficult, and know that some/lots of players would light up their socials for it, then it's not a bug and it's not a lack of testing. Difficult can be the target.