#🌌-galaxy-chat

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near bloom
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A lotta people get target fixation and charge after the most annoying ship (enter Cybie)

fluid shore
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With the current lag even 7 seconds 😂

dusky cove
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yup hence me saying arena has some strategy bug is still vastly pay to win

minor furnace
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Hi. I am an otter with a fixation for Aqua Jet.

near bloom
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This isn’t random hookups like Incursions

minor furnace
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shoutout to match

dusky cove
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yeah if we kill all ouf 10 ships we delay it for 50s and only have 2 m respawn giving the other 9 ships free reign 😅

near bloom
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Eenie meenie miney moe like Incursions.

fluid shore
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The tolerance in ops and rating is still insane

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you will never have a whale-free zone

near bloom
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Whole lot of admitting that people can’t play smart with their ships going on 😬😂

late ermine
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Never surrender never give up lost 50 won 10 enjoyed it 100 % 😂

minor furnace
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and if you can't win... Make it DIFFICULT

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Get them mad to make mistakes

near bloom
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The best compliment for a loss is coming back on here and seeing “this should have been a walkover, oooft these guys didn’t half make us work for it. We failed four group armadas trying!”

fluid shore
dusky cove
fluid shore
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  • Scopely 2024
late ermine
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Also u do get 400 losing

minor furnace
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Why not. I don't care if they throw money at the problem.

late ermine
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Its not really work without rewards

minor furnace
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I did MY job. kek

near bloom
near bloom
late ermine
normal elm
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is that a Deathiant in your avatar or are you just happy to see me?

near bloom
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Anything else is just “woe is me, F2P perpetual victim”. Thinking this would be any different when the game is literally filled with “play smart or spend hard” is fooling yourself.

minor furnace
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and don't be afraid to ask for help

fluid shore
near bloom
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It. Doesn’t. Matter. How. Many. Times. You. Die.

It only matters that when you’re alive you stop them getting to their armadas. And if they’re laser focused on winning “by PvP” or you’re laser focused on the actual objectives, you’ll beat paid power hands down nearly every time.

near bloom
fluid shore
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Can't do objectives when you're in your station repairing is what I'm saying 😂

near bloom
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The biggest benefit I see paid players having at this point is actually the extra docks.

late ermine
minor furnace
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I have considered doing that.

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But money is a luxury after all

near bloom
minor furnace
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But I can manage with 6 docks

late ermine
dusky cove
near bloom
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The single biggest mistake I’m seeing from the teams that I’ve seen have the biggest complaint about matchmaking is they’re getting a mid to start it so the lows can come along and their “whale carry” can carry them, but all the “whale carry” does is drag that average ops up to put you in more strife.

dusky cove
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and hopefully ranking will weed paying players out but that doesn't change my stance that I would have preferred cash to have 0 impact on arenas

near bloom
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The only way that arenas would have had no impact from cash is if it completely ignored your ship hangar, your research, your officer roster, your docks, everything.

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And that’s beyond unreasonable.

dusky cove
late ermine
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Surely u will get a good match at some point tho happens in every game ( i myself lost 7 or 8 back to back then got a good match )

late elk
near bloom
late elk
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It’s like legitimately the most unrealistic thing you could ever expect in a game like this where money allows you to progress faster and unlock more power

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Even if it was only lvl 40s vs lvl 40s or 63 vs 63, the ones who had spent will have more research, more ship tiers, better officers …

late ermine
near bloom
dusky cove
late ermine
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Sometimes games get too frustrating ... I will walk away when its time for me too

late elk
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😆😆😆😆😆

late ermine
near bloom
late elk
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Yet another massive ft. Ugh

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Ohh really

late ermine
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I have played eve for a while

late elk
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What’s the MU crew exactly?

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Mirror universe I take it?

late ermine
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Yea m Picard and co

near bloom
late elk
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Are they the apex barrier ones

late ermine
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Yea

dusky cove
floral kestrel
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Question, what’s the best crewing to farm rep in mirror universe?

late elk
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I’m not chasing anything in this game anymore

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Did my head in once already

minor furnace
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The ultimate loot crew setup -

late ermine
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Doctor bda

late elk
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I’m just gonna zen out now

minor furnace
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Adm. Freeman below too

late ermine
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The lanzo yes

near bloom
minor furnace
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Throw more exos than is allowed at robot wars

acoustic folio
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@near bloom did you manage to find something about those league points?? 😅

late ermine
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I do mu run every now and then for fkr credits lol

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Rather than rep

near bloom
late elk
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Credits? How?

near bloom
late elk
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As in loot?

late ermine
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After telling me to give prof if i was gold lol

near bloom
late elk
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Ohh what systems

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I didn’t eee that

late ermine
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Yup from loot boxes

dusky cove
late ermine
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Its totally different type of game tho

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If u lose ship there its lost

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So ofcourse not everyone is flying with titans ... There

dusky cove
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in the arena you don't use your own ships but as I said, it has been ages

fallow sage
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Where can I source armada directives? Just regular unc fkr

dusky cove
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alliance store or money

late ermine
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Lowest system

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The one i kill

fallow sage
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Was hoping that wasn't the case

late ermine
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I aill say if u farming credits go speed crew kill lvl 45s unless u got like 100m + protector then 51s

minor furnace
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I never tried hitting the 51s

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How is it with... a tier 10 g4 rare?

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with metreon at tier 8

late ermine
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Its 2b power

late elk
late ermine
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How big is your g4 rare i can only take a few with pilum tier 8 and 85m power

fluid shore
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It's mostly hull though

late ermine
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I haven't tried pilum for a while tho

minor furnace
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Newton, avg 110M, with around 18M DPR average before crits

late ermine
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60m tier 4 protector can kill maybe 15s then i go mining

late elk
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wonder how my 330 sanctus wud go

minor furnace
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31% added for iso

fluid shore
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You're better off speeding 45's

late ermine
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I will say go find out 🤣 they have all energy weapons so pmc is a good option for 51

fluid shore
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or 48's even, try Mirror Dessica

acoustic folio
minor furnace
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I might as well hit the 51's with the northcutt

late ermine
minor furnace
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looking at the hull health

late ermine
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I do protector because have to mine so what i do is hit few 51 or 48s on my way then mine

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Its more of a added to mining ...

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To save time speeding the small ones probably will give u more credits overall

signal cloak
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So, just for clarity, I can define 4 variables that are used to match:
average rating, average rank, leader opslevel, average opslevel

minor furnace
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Sounds about right, IMO.

leaden meadow
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you know Scopely does mathn't

near bloom
late ermine
opaque badger
leaden meadow
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I spent some of my ultra recruit tokens this weekend, setting the slider to 50 pulls required the game 40-60 seconds just to calculate what I'd be getting
coding could use some work

near bloom
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Agreed, I think. Drags average rating and average ops up, pulling you out of your normal position potentially drastically.

opaque badger
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Was in a group ranging 45-50 earlier, 3 out of 4 games we faced multiple 53+, heck one had a 57 in it

near bloom
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Ah, you’re still battling the even starting point though.

opaque badger
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Best match we got was 3 50s, I was the one 50 we had and the power was pretty lopsided

near bloom
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One 57 aside, 50s vs 53s isn’t an enormous delta.

opaque badger
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Yes it is

near bloom
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Only if you’re a rubbish 50 😅

opaque badger
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It wasn’t 50s, it was a 50

near bloom
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To be useless against a 53 you need to not have a G4E and they need to have an excessive G5U.

opaque badger
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125M ship vs 3 players with 250M+ only works if they’re rubbish 53s

late elk
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as a 56, even if i fight pother 56-59s

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a lot of them have ships at like t10+

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wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger

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😢

opaque badger
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I was able to get one vorcha down and that was only because his BD was trash

near bloom
late elk
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to be fair

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rofl

near bloom
leaden meadow
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I still don't have T'Ana, players with similar strength but more iso defense are wrecking me pretty hard atm
Even though my research and artifacts for iso defense are a lot higher than theirs

opaque badger
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If you’re the largest player on your team in arena that’s your job

opaque badger
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Otherwise your teammates are spending all game getting sacktapped

near bloom
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If he’s running around in a Vorcha then you’ve pretty much by default won because he can’t get anywhere at anything other than galactic drift speed. 🤣

near bloom
opaque badger
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Tribune isn’t exactly a speed demon

near bloom
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You don’t win arenas by killing people

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You win arenas by not being killed.

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You don’t do either of those things in a battleship

leaden meadow
near bloom
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(Regretting my Augur about now 🤣)

near bloom
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Takes them the countdown to cross the thing 🤣

mortal elk
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made the bortas bearable 🤣

opaque badger
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Your impulse research must be trash tbh

mortal elk
opaque badger
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Not you

late elk
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they still exist?

mortal elk
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HD

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ops 39 locked 🤣

near bloom
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Which start at a much, much better starting point.

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You can roll that turd in glitter all day long, but your Talios is faster.

opaque badger
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I’m not setting land speed records, but with max impulse research can usually track down people without impulse crews

mortal elk
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I can't think of any ship specific impulse researches before tail end of g5 tbh

opaque badger
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And 20x squishier at 55M power

mortal elk
near bloom
normal elm
late elk
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what happens when u fight a 63+ ship thats faster than jesus on a beam of light?

opaque badger
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When you’re facing 3 players that have a ship a tier higher and Talios’ the size of T10 G4 epics they do catch you

leaden meadow
silver parcel
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got a lot of pms about my rotarran doing that faster than jesus thing

near bloom
late elk
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given that repairs take 2 mins

near bloom
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Three rolls of Vemet usually confuses people 🤣

opaque badger
silver parcel
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was rolling through entire teams with riker data kuron and dane

near bloom
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❤️ Kuron

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Stupid autocucumber

opaque badger
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What size teams?

leaden meadow
silver parcel
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was breaking 5b akiras with it

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haha

near bloom
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Yes, I know it’s not guaranteed every time, yes, I know it’s not going to beat the ones with the big ships that play smart.

silver parcel
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too many brought in g6 uncs that were about useless

near bloom
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But the teams rocking a Vorcha are not playing smart.

opaque badger
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That’s pretty pathetic on their parts

near bloom
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Neither are the ones rocking a Trib.

late elk
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not really the 63s are super weak

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if u have a strong 56 or 60

opaque badger
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Well we don’t all buy and max new ships just for trash events

silver parcel
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the nsea with speed crew was king for hostiles

near bloom
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The thing is, as matchmaking matures you’ll find yourself around more people who are in the same position and you can all play who’s got the least slow ship together 😝

opaque badger
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Pray tell, what other ship can I use to protect teammates

near bloom
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Their job is to gobble hostiles and solo armadas

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Anyone not focused on the thing that actually scores is baggage.

opaque badger
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Well golly gee that will work swell versus 125M Talios’ chasing down their 50Mish ships

near bloom
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Exactly. 125M Talios can’t kill all 10 ships in 30 seconds.

opaque badger
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3 of them can

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Especially when backed by 3 other 53+ ships

near bloom
opaque badger
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Maybe you found the only people on the planet that just followed you fron behind and didn’t use other ships to corner you. After you tier up a couple times you don’t get those players anymore.

near bloom
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Then you found the limit of your skill and your ships.

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🤷🏻‍♂️

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That’s how it goes.

opaque badger
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Usually is when programmers are trash and can’t set up matchmaking ya

near bloom
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Why?

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Because it’s all new and shiny you’ve gotta wait while all the good players rise through the ranks past you. And good matchmaking you’ll lose about as many as you win 🙂

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Good matchmaking isn’t winning every fight.

opaque badger
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Why what? Why are Scopely programmers trash? If you can’t answer that I would question if you even play the game.

near bloom
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Can we avoid violating the rules please.

normal elm
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i imagine the programmers now quickly scribbling 'make weaker players win in the future' 🥲

near bloom
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I’m all up for spirited debate but if you’re going to resort to name calling then the mods are going to have to come in all happy like and correct your course to the airlock.

near bloom
opaque badger
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Meh, not like they ever actually do anything based off feedback from this discord anyway.

near bloom
opaque badger
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The whale discord is the only one that had any real input.

near bloom
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So, yeah, they do take action based on feedback on this discord 😂

opaque badger
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Oh I’m sure they’ll yeet people left and right, I’m saying they don’t really care about feedback from the peasants.

opaque badger
near bloom
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This feature is possibly the least whale-centric implementation that I’ve seen in this game in years.

opaque badger
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Arena? As long as they’re in the whale alliance it’s pretty geared towards them. Had multiple matches against 69 ops players with our 53 leader, despite our server being G5 locked.

normal elm
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give it time, it will be a little bit more balanced each time

opaque badger
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The solo whales or small alliance ones are gonna have a rough go of it, but don’t see a ton of them in the wild.

signal cloak
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the arena is not really depending 1 or 2 whales if anything; if your team fails, the whales won't be able to operate against 5 other players

near bloom
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Yep.

dull mason
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Where's the Compensation Chest's @queen jolt
Due " 8 " Long Days ago.. ..

near bloom
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If you’re taking “a big gun” into Arenas then you’re setting yourself up for failure.

signal cloak
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the data shows as well as personal experience; we both managed to go against big guns as well as fail against smaller teams

near bloom
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Every tactical nuke you put in your team drags your ranking up opening yourself up to worse teams the other side. Coupled with a lack of data maturity in ranking and it’s going to take a few runs for it to settle down.

signal cloak
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absolutely. Player experience, adjustments and duration will affect the outcome globally

oak charm
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Do all my ships need to be docked on my base before I can do a arena match?

silver parcel
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they get recalled

near bloom
normal elm
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there are many pvp games out there with team based arenas where putting up weak defences is the tactic you have to use to get a more doable assignment next time round, this is really not all new

silver parcel
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any ships mining were recalled, regardless of where they were and their c argo was spaced

near bloom
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Anything you had in your hold will be returned to the stars.

dull mason
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Players current experience is Rubbish with a capital " R "

silver parcel
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They essentially took the wave code and incursion code, added some salt and stirred in a pot

opaque badger
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The crashes did give a very wave like experience

dull mason
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I've played much better versions of

Arena, and incursions on other games

near bloom
oak charm
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O damm so if I had a max cap ship out there and got in to a arena match my ship would be auto recalled and I would lose everything it is holding ?

opaque badger
near bloom
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Definitely “prepare” for arena 😂

dull mason
oak charm
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Well that sucks

near bloom
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It is less than optimal.

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Three more tokens of Borgs to kill and I’ll be done with Vidar grind.

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🫠

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Then the Talios grind starts 😢

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At least I’m getting 500k/token now 😂

silent hollow
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I just got on the talios as well

oak basin
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[murder noises intensify]

near bloom
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It’s a long old climb 🥲

dusky cove
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eh unless you spend ops and not upgrade mats will be the roadblock

near bloom
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My account is about ten weeks old

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It takes a while to catch up speciality ships 😂

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Defiant will be T2 soon though 🤣

dusky cove
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deleted your old account?

near bloom
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Yup

dusky cove
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and you decided to put yourself through it all again?

near bloom
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It seems so 😂

dusky cove
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...do you need a hug if you decided to do that?

near bloom
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Nah. All grand thanks, just missed some of my gaming.

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Starfield kinda just ran out of steam.

dusky cove
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at least low ops are easier now

near bloom
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Yeah, was 39 in 5 or 6 weeks or something 🤣

stray pawn
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So was US Arena event as disastrous as EU event?

near bloom
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I think there’s a lot of people who would disagree with your take of the EU event being disastrous.

minor furnace
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I didn't find it a disaster.

oak basin
minor furnace
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I find disasters to be things that you can not even make an attempt to even try to the point where it gets taken down by the devs themselves.

minor furnace
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That has happened a couple times

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with incursions

oak basin
minor furnace
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But I have not seen such a disaster in arenas.

near bloom
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“I got beaten a couple of times” isn’t disastrous.

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Some people are into that.

minor furnace
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That is the american southern corporal punishment there HD

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The past is the worst.. kek

near bloom
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🤣

silver parcel
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One match looked like we were trying to summon an eldritch horror from the void

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every armada circle was up and flashing

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and you couldn't target the one under it

minor furnace
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...or the next major video game company leak

humble mirage
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Hello everyone, I'm sorry to ask the question here but is there a table for mirror systems? who has a link to give me please thank you

near bloom
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A table? I recommend IKEA.

stray pawn
# minor furnace I find disasters to be things that you can not even make an attempt to even try ...

Many people couldn’t because of the timing of event and having it on Lat Monday was another error. Then there was the fact that some lost millions of mats, as well as tokens, because miners were recalled even though there was nothing warning about this. The event matchmaking I can take as it was new and a consequence of the poor timing, but overall it was disaster for most. Many of my alliance logged on after getting home from work to find it nearly over. Initial impressions will stop a lot from participating in the future which will just perpetuate the problem. The overall idea was a good one, but the execution was very poor

humble mirage
near bloom
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Sorry for my bad joke 🙈

oak basin
# stray pawn Many people couldn’t because of the timing of event and having it on Lat Monday ...

to be fair, there's been repeated mentions on here for the past week that miners would be auto-recalled when going into arena, and the actual announcement about arena does say that you'll be automatically pulled into arena - that station and ships will be relocated, when you're in a squad and it's matched up. i think it's just been confusion about what 'deploy two ships simultaneously' meant, the difference between 'two ships can leave station at a time' and 'only two ships will be involved' wasn't understood by everyone.

stray pawn
minor furnace
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And not check the in-game news board.

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There was multiple ways to check in-game and discord. That is on them.

oak basin
dull mason
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⬆️ the sound of silence from Scopley ⬆️

digital salmon
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👋

stray pawn
dull mason
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Scopley need waking up ⬆️

cunning topaz
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Resistance is futile

oak basin
# stray pawn Yes I agree about in game news and language translations aren’t great. Many of ...

to be fair, for english speakers, german is a surprisingly unintuitive language, given the shared roots. it's one of those things where you really want a german to be the one doing the translation, and american companies are exceedingly unlikely to track down actual germans they'd have to pay to do the translation, when they have access to google translate, which doesn't have to be paid.

dull mason
oak basin
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also germans can be really fussy about what dialect things are translated into, like, someone who speaks hessisch may look at something in swabisch and be all " this is very poorly translated " about it ( and this is one of the reasons google translate's german is so bad, it has absolutely 0 grasp of dialects and mixes and matches between submitted translations without any dialectual consistency )

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kinda like how most of the world looks at 'american english' and says " would you please learn how spelling and grammar work "

near bloom
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It isn’t spent aloominum!

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It’s not a side dish for a curry.

minor furnace
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ITS ZEE

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NOT ZED kek

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I kid :p

oak basin
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well if you could zee your way to pronouncing zed properly, that'd zee great

minor furnace
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I need to check my next day off from work and I might be able to do that.

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I always like having fun with pronouncations and stuff... all in the name of comedy

vagrant tapir
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So no announcement regarding client updates 🤔 <@&509690795536941056>

silver parcel
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got pushed back

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looking at the 17th now

minor furnace
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What a coincidence... I did get a client patch on PC

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A small one though

vagrant tapir
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All 3 clients been updated

slow isle
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same, just a small patch

minor furnace
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Meh.. Most likely a bunch of translation corrections kappa

weak wigeon
near bloom
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The CMs mock Barny all the time and he hasn’t spent a penny.

slow isle
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They added new stages to the battle simulator😉 (remember that one🙈 )

near bloom
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Did they? Awesome!

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More free stuff 🤣

slow isle
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I actually wish they would do that

minor furnace
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omg they did kek

oak basin
slow isle
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that little brother that just follows your station around

near bloom
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What’s a T9 Vidar pull cost for max (three pulls) and can you pull it as well as Tally’Ho pulls? I can’t remember.

oak basin
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also known as the " now they can't say our facebook ads are false advertising with stuff that's not in the game " update

silver parcel
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what new stages?

oak basin
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once you get tally, the normal vidar pulls go away

near bloom
slow isle
oak basin
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also idr what the normal vidar triple pull costs, i got tally on day one and it's been ages

slow isle
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same

silver parcel
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lol

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wasn't mu wave fix

slow isle
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maybe the broken voyager mining systems or the broken mirror systems(although I think they are just broken for some servers)

dull mason
silver parcel
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So with the battlesim made that one advertisement look truthful, makes you wonder what's going to add these

dull mason
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We should have
Real Time battle's, real raiding,
Real Time hunting
Not that False battle stuff

silver parcel
dull mason
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I want to see a Live bridge View of
Battle's

silver parcel
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there's already a game for that

dull mason
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The old adds had that as a feature..

silver parcel
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VR and non VR version

civic geyser
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Coming next patch chimera in the arena

oak basin
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or maybe a hearts of iron crossover arc, new g4 specialty ship, the tiger 1, special ability : stopping working in the middle of combat because it broke

oak basin
outer mesa
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did they fix the busted symbiosis mission that they said they fixed a week ago or no

vagrant vapor
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there was never anything wrong with the symbiosis missions

silver parcel
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it was an old mission, had nothing to do with the arc

dull mason
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Well morning LAG has arrived

queen scarab
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Did it ever leave

outer mesa
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really then why does it make it so you cant get into the game for 3 to 4 hours after completing a section of it cause that sounds pretty busted to me and its done it to me 3 times now lol

queen scarab
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Just more attention seeking at times 😂

outer mesa
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busted busted busted thats what that is lol tell me again its not busted liars lol

mortal elk
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complete the mission and see if it's still doing it?

queen scarab
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Its not busted

outer mesa
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it is busted liar

queen scarab
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Its mcfly

silver parcel
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most had already finished the mission

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long time ago

mortal elk
# outer mesa it is busted liar

if you keep insulting people who are trying to help, in spite of your approach, you'll need to find somewhere else to ignore the help offered

queen scarab
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Don't remember the mission "long time ago"

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Don't kick him

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Its amusing

mortal elk
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😐

queen scarab
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For now

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Maybe later

near bloom
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Did someone call for a hand getting someone over a line?

queen scarab
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No

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But you turned up anyway

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The scopely mantra

queen scarab
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Why don't we have doors like that

mortal elk
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impracticality?

queen scarab
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Make moving sofas in easier

near bloom
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Cos if you were excited when the door closed you could lose a pinky.

queen scarab
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Only do it once

mortal elk
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you must be a wood worker to only have one pinky...

queen scarab
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Or a dodgy chef

mortal elk
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I hear good things about sawstop 😐

near bloom
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What kind of person would you be if you could lose two pinkies?

mortal elk
queen scarab
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Those super sharp Japanese knives looked like a good idea

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Polydactyly?

thorn narwhal
queen scarab
#

Or from the deep south

silver parcel
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

brittle ivy
#

<@&509690795536941056> The Prime Fleet Readiness has been silently changed to not affect Lorca skill points anymore. It was working last month (if proof is needed, there's plenty in CC videos).

outer mesa
#

im not insulting anyone im simply telling the truth the people saying it wasnt broke n are wrong and not telling the truth cause it most defintly was it doesnt lock you outa youre game for hours just by completing a secttion of it if its working properly correct or no lol

mortal elk
#

Nobody has said 'it wasn't broken'

near bloom
#

It was never the symbiosis missions and insulting people is insulting people whether you believe your position to be one of “fact” or not.

mortal elk
#

they're saying 'it isn't broken now, and it isn't the mission you think it was'

#

So, time out to take a breather, think about it, check for yourself maybe, and come back with a better attitude?

near bloom
#

No no, you know that’s almost never how this works.

queen scarab
#

Its not broken

near bloom
#

Well

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😬

queen scarab
#

Its barely working

#

Semantics

#

Can you log in?

#

Not broken

mortal elk
#

haven't tried tbf 🤣

#

but it was fine this morning

queen scarab
#

The Schroedinger paradox

near bloom
#

Still on my second Borg token 🤣

queen scarab
#

Eat faster?

outer mesa
#

the fact the mission doesnt know its own name and just says error i guess that proves you all are right the mission locking peope outa there game and doesnt even no its own name must be working perfetctly lmao good luck with that b.s. lol

silver parcel
#

....wut

queen scarab
#

Can i recommend a spellcheck

queen scarab
#

Maybe some sentence structure

silver parcel
#

The words are english, but I am not familiar with that particular configuration

queen scarab
#

A full stop or comma

#

We don't charge per character here

#

Thats definitely a good physical example of broken though

near bloom
#

How long until the neighbours squeak? 😂

queen scarab
#

Lost me

topaz creek
#

<@&509690795536941056> Any word on the MU wave fix that we were told was going to be today? Also, will the compensation match the inconvenience of having it broken for a week & unable to be played without having a fit?

quasi gorge
queen scarab
#

Seems legit

near bloom
#

Deadpool vs Wolverine

livid shell
#

Is the client still crashing after upgrading the ship ?

queen scarab
#

Plot twist. His nearest neighbour is a mile away

silver parcel
#

you know it's a shame that movie got canned, the trailer for it was not that bad

near bloom
queen scarab
#

Well it will be a mile soon

near bloom
#

They’ve been struggling to land the non-core characters though for a number of reasons including pandering.

queen scarab
#

Money and strikes mostly no?

near bloom
#

Bit of that, bit of “can do no wrong” from MCU.

queen scarab
#

Aye

#

Harder to justify the huge budgets now though i would think

near bloom
#

Yup

silver parcel
#

The fox acquisition put it on hold and canned

#

Was actually shocked to see him in deadpool and wolverine

robust coyote
#

How can I get this annoying arena icon off ? Bcoz of this i can't see my treasury 🤦

queen scarab
#

In 6 days ish

silver parcel
#

click on the building itself to buypass it

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otherwise it'll go away in 24 hours

#

they said it'll be fixed for the next run

queen scarab
#

Maybe

robust coyote
#

🤣

queen scarab
#

They say a lot of things

robust coyote
#

Considering scopely devs that may stay forever 😝

#

Thx 🙏 for the information

wraith plover
cunning topaz
sour schooner
#

@queen jolt @heady moon what is with mirror waves?

wraith plover
sour schooner
#

what they fix today for what was the update?

wraith plover
civic geyser
#

Thursday I’m led to believe for Mu waves fix

sour schooner
#

and where is the comp for the unplayable mirror waves?

silver parcel
#

The update we just had was just backend work

#

The fiix for mu waves was pushed back to the 17th, comp chest will come after it's fixed

twilit lintel
#

gotta be a faster way to mine with the freesha without buying a refit

sour schooner
#

so stupid all the time this "comp when it is fixed"

#

most things are not fixed, so never a comp and wh not a comp now because we cant get ingame items

wraith plover
sour schooner
#

yeah and so never the comp arrived ^^

wintry dune
#

HELLO EVERYONR

twilit lintel
#

ty

silver parcel
#

as far as purchases go, 50 bucks to make concentrated latinum go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT, and a way to source a bunch of rare and epic FTs is not bad

twilit lintel
wintry dune
#

Is there a crew list for solo armada low level please

twilit lintel
civic geyser
#

Do you have Arrock

wraith plover
twilit lintel
silver parcel
#

arrock has little effect on a feesha

#

he's more useful on a regular survey

twilit lintel
#

yup i got him and his partner

wraith plover
silver parcel
#

Even full synergy isn't a big boost on a feesha

#

It already has a big increase

twilit lintel
#

ty again

wraith plover
#

there's also fc spock

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bottom right tree. "prosper."

twilit lintel
#

got him too

#

hmm

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time to upgrade him lol

wraith plover
#

unfortunately you need titan.

twilit lintel
#

got that too

west matrix
#

can anybody give me this months redeem code pls?

wraith plover
#

the loop is require to advance fc's. they never added a drip

twilit lintel
#

the titan ship?

silver parcel
#

Trill1 10-39 Trill2 40+

west matrix
#

thx

wraith plover
twilit lintel
wraith plover
#

easier if you do it like this

silver parcel
#

you're better off with max cargo/protected

#

wasted officers otherwise

wraith plover
silver parcel
#

my feesha is max, my research is max, my whip is max, i'm well aware

#

Using those officers is a waste

wraith plover
#

30 second nodes and warp versus sitting on a node for 5 minutes

twilit lintel
#

whip cost money and im poor

silver parcel
#

They're better off on a regular survey so it mines like a early feesha, and your whip feesha using max cargo so you can pop on and off longer between trips, or max protected if you have to worry about hunters

wraith plover
#

most nodes... your research exceeds their value.

#

you know that.

civic geyser
#

lol I have to worry about it opc/upc

wraith plover
silver parcel
#

i don't have to worry about it since i tossed the whip on a selkie and haven't mined concentrated in about a year

#

still get 1st every time though

twilit lintel
#

i keep my eye on my miner lol

silver parcel
#

shame you can never max it out completely

wraith plover
#

they've broken so much content. they don't plan on ever fixing it either

civic geyser
#

My little whip 😢

timber valve
night frigate
#

Nice client update

#

Shame Mirror waves are still broken

silver parcel
#

just some minor stat boosts

night frigate
#

Update was for what? Text correction?

silver parcel
#

Backend update

near bloom
civic geyser
near bloom
civic geyser
#

There be a lot of noise on here Thursday if they don’t fix Mu waves

silver parcel
#

gonna be a lot of noise later today when people realize it wasn't fixed despite there being an update

near bloom
#

There always is

light crown
#

God forbid they put out a halfway decent product.

civic geyser
#

In other news this was my 2nd wave

red stag
#

Guys will the arena event always be in working hours?

near bloom
#

Says it was your first.

red stag
#

But having it only for 8 hour during work is really a mess

#

(The 3 round i partecipated i really liked it btw!)

near bloom
#

Define “working hours”.

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US covers about 6 hours time difference. Europe most of double that.

#

APAC a lot too.

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There’s no winning with limited hours - but what is clear is they didn’t feel they wanted to run it for 24 hours.

civic geyser
#

People work different shifts

near bloom
#

CMs have said they’ll feedback, so we just need to see what falls out the other end of the sausage machine.

red stag
#

In eu it was from 11am to 8pm

near bloom
red stag
#

Generally working hour are 9am 19pm

#

Yep

#

In eu also uk is similar (only 1 hour difference)

near bloom
#

And in Russia?

#

You’ll work it out eventually, but let me help you along the way - it started at 10pm for some of our Russian players on EU servers.

civic geyser
#

With the limited time span I think most had trouble getting members together for a team

red stag
#

We are in the middle in,italy so 1.hour less.in uk 1 more in east Russia

#

Yep if was a 24 hour event there will be no prob

#

8 hour in the middle of working hours are really a problem

near bloom
#

Basically, it’s not easy and while it is easy to point at US for example where a majority are within a few hours, when you venture to the extremities there’s no easy answer.

civic geyser
#

Don’t think running it for 24hrs is something they plan on

near bloom
#

I don’t think it would work very well either

red stag
#

When you talk of eu the majority is germany, uk, italy, Russia, france

#

All,within 3 hours

near bloom
red stag
#

Why not?

near bloom
red stag
#

At moskow now are 15.34 in italy germany france is 14.34 in uk is 13.34

#

Then there are extreme territory but there are very few ppl in them

near bloom
#

Moscow is in Russia but Russia isn’t in Moscow 🤣

heavy idol
#

There's a bit of Russia past Moscow tho

red stag
#

I know but look at populations

#

Majority is in st Pietroburgo and moskow areas

near bloom
red stag
#

Look at the zone around not only the city themselves

opal meadow
#

well done on an actual fun mechanic scopely! Need to improve matchmaking and maybe start times a bit and possibly shrink repair time down to a 1 minute or something, but this arena concept is promising

near bloom
#

Yakutsk is half a million population.

twilit lintel
red stag
#

And the rest of europe is within 2 hour

near bloom
#

Oh ok, so we’re ignoring extremities.

red stag
#

Nope

near bloom
#

Hey Hawaii, screw you, you don’t count.

opal meadow
red stag
#

I didnt say that...I am saying that for majority of ppl in eu the time proposed was terrible

twilit lintel
near bloom
red stag
#

🤣

twilit lintel
near bloom
#

Arena looked incredible

red stag
#

But besides of that the point is that doing a 12 hour event will probably solve the issue if not moving the window

twilit lintel
near bloom
#

I agree with you there, that the window was badly placed

civic geyser
red stag
#

And the fact the only ppl without a job can partecipate is really a mess

near bloom
#

I have a job.

red stag
twilit lintel
#

now if only you could match with ppl in here say i wanna start arena just imput vamp death and laan82 name and boom that would be awesome too lol

near bloom
#

If you extend the window though, assuming most of the people who will engage in this content found a way to do so, it’s 2000 teams that were put up.

#

If you drag that out over more hours, your matchmaking decreases massively.

twilit lintel
#

WOAH

civic geyser
#

Please don’t cross post

near bloom
#

Less of the insults, please don’t cross post, and 10,000 people engaged in it.

light crown
#

Lmfao @ "STPDLY"

twilit lintel
#

i sense someone might be getting muted soon lol

signal cloak
#

well you just took the words out of my mouth. Try actually being a part of the solution instead of the problem.

near bloom
#

Indeed, you can always spot them a mile off.

#

They could suggest what they think could be improved (spoiler alert, if you breathe through your mouth and think “never run them again” is helpful feedback you are the problem) but they prefer to just scream about how they seem to want to play a different game altogether.

red stag
signal cloak
#

I guess people rant rather than contribute and actually think of how to solve issues.

near bloom
signal cloak
#

also, not understanding why Scopely chose this timeframe (and was actually right in doing so considering the beta test last week!)

civic geyser
#

Please be civil on here

red stag
near bloom
#

I read it, but “don’t put it during my working hours at all because I work those hours and screw anyone that works shifts” isn’t really offering a solution either is it.

scarlet hare
#

Ok this is not a rant....but
Can we have our mirror waves fixed today please.
People are losing out on researches and syndicate

near bloom
#

Your post was 95% insult and 5% “accommodate me”

near bloom
red stag
near bloom
signal cloak
scarlet hare
light crown
#

If Scopely wants to limit Arena engagement to certain times, then they should have TWO blocks.

silver parcel
#

I hear someone wants a mute.

signal cloak
#

and there's plenty of reasons what a set timeframe will never have no consequences 🙂 Regardless of available time, there's always someone gone/not available/on holidays or whatever.

near bloom
#

UK’s quantity of workers that work shifts are 14%. This also ignores people that choose to play during working hours, or those who do not work at all.

Whilst I am sympathetic to those who could not participate because of the timing, your posts are a walking demonstration of how not to go about it.

signal cloak
#

in the end it's a choice they made. the only thing 'wrong' about the choice is the lack of communicating it earlier

near bloom
#

Your opening salvo was to call them “Stupidly”.

#

Now, imagine you’re in a customer facing role.

light crown
near bloom
#

How many people who approach you and insult you are you actually going to help to the best of your ability, vs “to a professional standard”.

#

Because the professional standard goes to everyone that walks up to me and insults me.

#

I’ll move heaven and earth for the nice ones.

near bloom
#

*in your opinion.

#

And in the opinion of every shouty Karen that doesn’t get what they want, they’re incompetent, useless and deserve to be called every name under the sun.

light crown
near bloom
#

Two months I’ve been asking for ascension because for two or three months we’ve been releasing content that I can’t play.

fluid shuttle
#

I have more bugs after the update today. What's going on?

worn rapids
#

G'day sorry to jump in bt just wondering if reset will be still happening for 201

near bloom
#

🤷🏻‍♂️ I voice my concerns in ways that don’t break the rules and as such garner more attention.

light crown
west matrix
near bloom
#

I’m not here to comment on their level of professionalism. If and when I have issue with it I articulate myself in a way that doesn’t get me muted and is helpful to the team.

#

I am here to comment on your level of behaviour here, and it stinks.

near bloom
#

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

signal cloak
#

ahh look

#

there's the guy we need 🙂

near bloom
silver parcel
#

2 more crashes and I get a free hat with my loyalty card.

queen jolt
#

HD I pinged you on event chat

light crown
#

@queen jolt Is that Mirror Wave compensation chest going to be good??? I've missed out on a week's worth of pulls.

near bloom
near bloom
#

Because particularly for event completion, losing is still better than not competing at all.

signal cloak
#

and matchmaking is always a balance between set boundaries, time to wait and available teams 🙂

#

even with 2000 teams, it's a challenge

near bloom
#

Like Vidar PvP. Do you sit there and wait until someone turns up in a ship you can kill, eventually running out of time, or do you all Vemet up and crash into each other until it’s done?

round ember
#

But when you know you've got no hope of winning a single battle, you Vemet up. That was the matchmaking experience for at least 50% of my Arena matches yesterday. The other were close fights

light crown
#

@queen jolt don't ignore me

dull mason
near bloom
west matrix
# near bloom Matchmaking takes time to mature the data, and unfortunately in some cases you’r...

maybe so... invalidates your argument not to lenghen the event - if this kind of thing also happens in an event that lasts just a few hours... so if it happens ANYWAY... why not make the event longer and give everyone a chance to participate - rather than expluding people whop actually have a life and jobs and bring in the money they spend you your game?!?!?! I am a European who was placed on an APAC server when I started the game and was past the point where I could change servers when I found out that this option even existed... and yet the timing for this event is chosen so poorly - I can't really participate no matter if I'm playing on apac OR eu server...

queen jolt
civic geyser
#

Yeah can we change the colour 🤣

near bloom
dull mason
#

That " Blue" ring's
Could cause Epileptic fits ..
And should be Cancelled asap

near bloom
#

But yes, I appreciate the delicate balance that needs to exist between allowing all to participate through long windows, the need to encourage participation to allow best matchmaking, and the challenges of event completion.

It’s a difficult puzzle.

west matrix
near bloom
#

There’s no need for that - I answered the rest in the next post.

west matrix
#

yeah... as a "member of the team" you should ONLY post the second part and keep the unnecessary first part that is ONLY designed to irritate people to yourself

light crown
dull mason
#

Close the event till it's fixed,
Give Compensation, Chest
If you CAN Actually do that.....

near bloom
#

Personally I’d feel comforted that there was literally nothing I could do even if I’d known, rather than thinking “if I’d known x sooner”.

hollow vessel
#

Does anyone know when the vindicator event is supposed to be?

near bloom
#

Alongside Apex

#

For those that have the ship.

hollow vessel
#

Would have been nice to know last Thursday

west matrix
#

I'm past the point of ANY server change anyway... so what difference does it make... the point I was trying to make was an entirely different one... one that you conveniently ignore in your answer

signal cloak
#

well 3 regions and 24hr

#

= 8hr/region

late ermine
#

Any news on a fix for apac players ranks ?

signal cloak
#

that's how 8hr came to pass

west matrix
#

save it HD... you are now blocked... not dealing with your BS in here anymore

near bloom
near bloom
#

Your valid points were shrouded in utter contempt for anyone and everything and your response to any discussion shaped by that.

mortal elk
#

There were valid points?

#

Mostly I saw diatribe and 'hey, 8 hours doesn't really work' which the team are already aware of and looking at

#

but mostly diatribe....

near bloom
dull mason
#

They should be " Looking into "'

The multiple
Compensation Chest's they haven't given out....

near bloom
#

Which is a fair point, but then you accept that “being thrown in to any match” becomes the norm and nobody wants that either.

opal meadow
#

matchmaking is a huge one too. especially at the g6 level. you get a bunch of 57-63s going against a rare g6 or beefy cube and the odds of winning is very slim if they use speed crews. no one can touch their ships

near bloom
#

I’ll take the occasional wafflestomp to complete an event, but if every match up is just being battered then the feature gets old really quickly.

late ermine
#

I do think timing need to change a event during office hours don't really work too well 😅

languid elm
silver parcel
#

17th is the new date

mortal elk
#

I heard Thursday?

dull mason
#

Just don't Do Waves 🌊
Simple

mortal elk
#

pretty sure the blue rings are what create the 'cloudy' look in systems, and the 'too bright' blue rings are missing or mis-linked assets?

mortal elk
light crown
dull mason
late ermine
languid elm
near bloom
#

We’d have to abuse me and @civic geyser for deleting our accounts instead.

light crown
mortal elk
#

mines all going grey, I blame you lot 🤣

near bloom
scarlet hare
# dull mason Just don't Do Waves 🌊 Simple

That's not a good answer.....new content should be held off until old content is fixed.
Every time we have an update there's more bugs we have to contend with.
Just look at the amount of compensation chests we are getting.
The 'we thank you for your patience- quotes are wearing a bit thin

dull mason
near bloom
late ermine
civic geyser
#

Be a team player

languid elm
#

Yeah 8 hours was a bit short. Should have been at least 12 or like Incursions and everything else 24 hours. 🤷🏻‍♂️

dull mason
near bloom
light crown
near bloom
late ermine
#

Hey any news on ranking problem being fixed ?

near bloom
#

Could split it over days as well to help.

late ermine
#

For apac

mortal elk
#

even though we know it's going to hit the available 'good' matches

near bloom
#

Well, we won’t.

mortal elk
#

I could

near bloom
#

Cos, you know.

#

🤣

mortal elk
#

I could log into my main 🤣

#

but I'm quite liking not having to charge my phone every night

scarlet hare
late ermine
#

3 win complete sms.. right

mortal elk
#

depends if you have the people active in alliance to start when you start?

languid elm
late ermine
#

Or 12 losses if u that unlucky

near bloom
#

I’m fairly sure it was like an hour of losing.

near bloom
lyric haven
#

Would still like to see consideration for reduction of squad size to 3

mortal elk
near bloom
#

Given the complaints about the matches as they were… that could be a very quick decline in player experience.

mortal elk
#

But we won't know for sure til they try

late ermine
near bloom
languid elm
mortal elk
#

I'd hope they based the time slots on 'peak activity' for those servers... but, I have no idea how they picked the times 🙂

mortal elk
#

infact, incursions kinda rely on the exact opposite, and catching the people who are definitely not on line

lyric haven
languid elm
lusty marsh
#

You all are focused on the wrong end of the problem. The issue is limiting teams to one alliance. With the bracket limitations, many that did want to try the Arena were unable to. And it will only get worse as less people wants to participate

near bloom
# languid elm I can buy that to a point, but we do incursions for 24 hours so….

You’re stuck with them for 24 hours and can throw a shield up, and that match is done for you.

Arena you’re either matching to someone or you’re not, and if in order to match you’ve got to say “right stuff it, stick that group of Lv70s with those people off 404 that thought they’d enjoy ascension” then you’re going to have a world of hurt.

silver parcel
#

Unfortunately it doesn't look like they can or are willing to change the alliance only caveat.

late ermine
mortal elk
signal cloak
late ermine
#

I mean hey i don't have a problem with mine but many don't have the privilege...

#

Also can make the braket smaller for joining people with randoms so a more even team is formed

signal cloak
#

i think the root cause is there's currently not a (public) construct that allows grouping up members other than alliance members 🙂

languid elm
subtle vortex
#

Any event with a timeslot allowed for the event is going to have a great deal of resentment against it. I would argue people want to play the game when they have time to play the game not be dictated to.

lusty marsh
near bloom
near bloom
languid elm
late ermine
#

@mortal elk any news on a fix for apac ranking ? I was gold 4 got demoted to silver 3 instead of a promotion to... Gold 3 .... I know i asked it few times but what can i do my alliance is like top of apac arena leaderboard 😂

signal cloak
near bloom
signal cloak
#

however, perhaps with the right changes, that could be something 🙂

late ermine
#

The silver 3 daily chest is really hurting 🤣 and cs just closes ticket on me

near bloom
late ermine
queen jolt
earnest raven
#

@queen jolt Any update on MU Waves? S91 confirmed that it is still messed up. I thought today's client update was supposed to fix it?

forest socket
#

Is there an issue with assigning commanders?

near bloom
near bloom
#

Not set in stone.

#

It’s only in stone when they’ve taken the servers down to do it.

forest socket
#

My command center is lv 44 and I had Kirk and Spock assigned yesterday.

near bloom
mortal elk
near bloom
#

But we hope.

late ermine
lusty marsh
#

Idk, but building teams from the whole server would allow them to keep the PvP brackets tighter too, and provide more balanced fights. But what do I know 🤷🏼‍♀️

languid elm
near bloom
timber vortex
#

Where do I get Lorca skill points?

swift anvil
#

Any news on what today's client patch did? Also any news on MU space being fixed (I checked post patch and its still a disco inferno)?

late ermine
silver parcel
#

level lorca, buy them or get the vindicator and use the refinery

late ermine
#

Lvl up Lorca

mortal elk
silver parcel
near bloom
swift anvil
late ermine
#

Saw some low lvl players using on armada

near bloom
languid elm
swift anvil
#

they should post on discord in an official post, not rely on chinese whispers

near bloom
late ermine
#

Should be soon tho right ? Assension for your server i mean now days lvl 40 isn't that far

swift anvil
#

I am looking forward to playing arenas for the first time - shame first iteration was during the working day for EU

near bloom
#

🥲

#

Even in STFC math.

late ermine
#

Mods Don't get paid tho 🤣 atleast thats what i thought

mortal elk
#

🤣

languid elm
near bloom
#

🤣

swift anvil
#

that's harsh, better to say their math is as good as their QA instead

near bloom
#

You’ll never get paid if you’re not the most hated.

languid elm
silver parcel
#

not the mods

#

maybe ccs

late ermine
#

Yea thats what i thought mods don't

near bloom
#

Your sources should go on your fish and chips.

languid elm
gleaming lantern
#

Why must I go through the tutorial again to get to the settings?

queen scarab
swift anvil
#

their math is as good as my girlfriends when it comes to how much she's going to spend on my credit card whilst shopping...

near bloom
queen scarab
swift anvil
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she spends £200 on a dress that's normally £400 and says I should be grateful that she saved me £200...

queen scarab
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Better add the address actually

swift anvil
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she likes "saving" me money

late ermine
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Kinda wild actually

queen scarab
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And i cry if i have to spend more than a few quid on clothing item lol

languid elm
swift anvil
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oh yes, to be sure - gives me the evil eye if I dare spend £10 on me 🙂

near bloom
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🤣

late ermine
swift anvil
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i think you are mistaking my grimace for a smile

signal cloak
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just heard there's a client update

silver parcel
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just a backend updates

signal cloak
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no there's an actual client update 🙂 restart your client to see 🙂

silver parcel
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Like i said, backend updates

dull mason
lusty marsh
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ChronoX is right, there is a client update

near bloom
queen scarab
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Ask your oh for a lesson in backend updates

signal cloak
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well, there's still a client-update, even if that's to ensure the backend update works as intended

boreal oasis
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they likely have to update the client to point to the backend changes

signal cloak
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doesn't make it a backend update tho 🙂

boreal oasis
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instead of you know, keeping them separate

silver parcel
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Pauly said it was just backend updates, you calling him a liar?

boreal oasis
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lol, do you really think they know, or that they are even told what's in the updates?

signal cloak
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but inherently, back-end updates cannot be done client-side 🙂

languid elm
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The presentation of the backend updates.

near bloom
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Exactly 🙂

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Ah, backend.

iron sandal
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@queen jolt @atomic notch hello, this is ur daily reminder to give server 404 ascension 👀

small sequoia
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@queen jolt @atomic notch Uniform just wanna beg you guys to give 404 ascension, wanna buy some new ships

civic geyser
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Probably moving it to the bottom of the things to do now

warm pivot
small sequoia
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impossible

signal cloak
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404.. not found right?

near bloom
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Nothing is below Mantis comp.

near bloom
civic geyser
near bloom
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As you can see from your data

steep aspen
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where is FT comp in this stack?

devout cairn
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Please bring weapons back to the event store and money store

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I'm missing a few

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Colored pew is better

near bloom
near bloom
devout cairn
dapper scaffold
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There aren't 21 months in the year...de-Europeanize dates!

devout cairn
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Lol grow an extra brainneuron

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YYYYMMDD for all

warm pivot
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DD MM YYYY 💪
YYYY MM DD 🫡
MM DD YYYY 🤪

devout cairn
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yayayayamomododoooo

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It was the first day of the first month of the new millennium

dapper scaffold
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(Plus it's a lie, no way Arena is fixed by the 21st.)

elder bloom
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Which muppet designed this 🙈

devout cairn
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3 fishfeet and 0.5 worm

dull mason
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Star trek LAG Fest Commander

elder bloom
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A level 51 research needing a research that is level 61 🙈😅

mortal elk
near bloom
shut shoal
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So...any news on the alliances that got undue/inappropriate amounts of Emerald Chain xp?

gilded turret
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Are we getting a new wave pass soon?

urban needle
gilded turret
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Yes absolutely and the comp should be MU wave credits before the fix as we are all missing a weeks worth of claims now slowing everyone's progress

devout vector
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Do we have an eta on mirror wave fix?

elder plover
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why is this stuck that my Arena is ready to go 5/5 more than 12 hrs after it ended lol

devout vector
elder plover
earnest raven
elder plover
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thanks guys will update!

lusty marsh
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Yep same for me.. update fixed it. The "backend" one 😆

silver parcel
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seems hit on miss on the update

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i still have it up