I fixed it
#💬-events-feedback
topaz sphinx
vagrant topaz
The event is sort of a pain. But before they would do -2 your level then up from there
topaz sphinx
I get the "not everyone can finish" but like this is "only few can barely start or complete"
vagrant topaz
But that was pre-hostile nerf I think
In my experience, many players rush their station while lagging behind on combat research and ships, those are the ones that struggle the most on these ones. Meanwhile, players that are optimally balanced on all three, tend to fair well. Those letting the station lag behind tend to perform the best -- at the cost of slower progression. It's all trade-offs, if you've let your ships and combat research slip in order to rush ops, it's not unexpected that your weaker than expected ships would cause you trouble. The game is a marathon, not a sprint. Let's just enjoy this event for what it is, a bonus on top of your "daily grind" as it were -- regrettably, discussing it here means less grinding time so let's git 'er done folks! 🙃
boreal obsidian
sorry but what you mean those who wasted money ontheire ships
mortal rapids
@vagrant topaz i agree with most that you wrote but you are missing out important detail.
boreal obsidian
and i say wasted cause i see no benefit wasting money on a company who is not listening nor earning trust in any way
if you are lvl 20 and maxed our your north star... you might have a chance... dont forget u need rare material for that
topaz sphinx
yeah, no this is still #optout for me. It'd take too long for little benefit. And it's not like I really had a choice of Station v Ships because if you choose ships you're essentially stuck there for a long time. So I choose station to get better rss, but it means 'average' ships, not weak
mortal rapids
I could do 5000 by hitting lv 28 i do have a ship for it but i wont cause rewards are not good enough for cost of repairs. My choice. But there is an option killing lv 24-25 for 1 point. Thats 5k hostile kills in 8 hours. It CANT be done
boreal obsidian
in the last events it was at least possible to get the event withthe 1point targets....
try that now
vagrant topaz
Hang in there.... I'm newly LVL 25... It's doable, one ship at a time! Back to the grind!
boreal obsidian
5000 npcs?
topaz sphinx
One day, I'll get to level 24 (probably in a month or so from 22), then I'll stop there and level my ships
nice, you're +20 is +3 levels. Mine is +4
fair much haha
mortal rapids
Putting an option that is not achivable is what clearly sugests tjey made a big mistake with milestone numbers
vagrant topaz
Well, it's a catch 22. Stations offer better packs
And therefore there is a benefit to leveling
topaz sphinx
hopefully from the metrics they pull from this they'll see they set the bar too high
vagrant topaz
But in general, yes. maintain research and ship progression
Keep in mind that there's big NPC power band differences in play here too. A lvl 30/31 faction NPC ship is very different from a lvl 32/33 for example.
boreal obsidian
show me a avarage newly 25 player killing a 30 npc @vagrant topaz its bs!
invest moeny and then u can
topaz sphinx
Money does help, though at 25-30 it's around $1000-2000 for it to make a difference
vagrant topaz
@boreal obsidian like this?
boreal obsidian
thats what i am talking about noone with 24 / newly 25 will have 200k kumari without €/$
vagrant topaz
Obviously I've bought packs but I've also stayed at 24 for 6 weeks grinding out upgrades the old fashioned way.
boreal obsidian
thank you for your honesty
topaz sphinx
😆
vagrant topaz
The game wants you to pay either in money or time.... or both! Pick your poison. 😃
topaz sphinx
yeah the 'stay at a level for 6 weeks to make your ships viable' seems broken
boreal obsidian
and i didnt bough packs and still am top 10 player. still a 200k kumari is impossible for lvl 25 me
topaz sphinx
but it is the other option to paying
boreal obsidian
more time invest is not possible. can see it @ my stats
just as an example
but most players get it much worse than i do
vagrant topaz
This game isn't a race, we make our bed and have to sleep in it -- either a slower game progression, or consumer credit debt load. Ideally the former not the latter. 😛
boreal obsidian
i dont care about race
but i do care that a normal avarage player cant even make it to the first goal of the event
dont forget we have been trough this shit all together and scopely hotfixed it suddenly ... guess THERE WAS a reason for it....
and the targets been 1/10 of these back then xD
a cashes needs a hour for event and an avarage player needs 6-7 hours. fine
but this is bullshit
vagrant topaz
It's a competition after all... got 5 hours and ticking.... just get out there and make things go boom!
topaz sphinx
Nah, can only do event if you stoped leveling base for 6 weeks or paid. I did neither so can't participate 🎺
hoary osprey
You guys really dropped the ball on this event. Why not make it easy and set the required number of points at the same number for each level but award points the way you do like now. Rewards should also be different btw
vagrant topaz
...then go do it for your alliance! Every trophy matters, if everyone got to the first goal, it's better than quitting before you begin.
prime sparrow
This event is really biased towards players with stronger ships. The Faction event where it was based on power destroyed was a much more balanced event.
thick raven
@prime sparrow every event is biased towards stronger players. Not a single time you can make first place if you haven’t invested a lot of money.
faint verge
The rewards are better for the daily goals than for this event. This is by far the most absurdly not-worth-it event so far.
...and you only need to hit 25 ships for the daily.
mental tapir
25 ships you say
For first tier
5k is 250 ships 4 levels above yours
How the hell are you supposed to do this event
shut oracle
Only with 💰
opal geyser
Works well for the lower levels. I'm level 19 still and completed it as only need 800 points and get 5 for 20+ hostiles
And hey Sin
shut oracle
Hey Dusty, ....this event is bullshit... Need 3000 points ... Get 20 for 26+ hostiles.... 🙈
One round 16 hostiles and I'm death.
1:40 h repair... 😫
opal geyser
I know mate Andy cap and a few others are in the same boat
Events like this that make me happy to be a low level lol
trail solar
I think this Khan guy is a scopely sales rep trying to get us to buy ship and repair packs
vague ore
@trail solar He isnt.
trail solar
I was kidding, but he seems the only one happy about the event
vague ore
😊
vagrant topaz
I can categorically declare that I have no affiliation or commercial interests with Scopely. While I'm not happy with the event per se, please do not mistake composure for ease. 😅
trail solar
Well, exactly, and silly me, but I think events should be here to make us happy
vagrant topaz
(Bonus points to who caught the subtle Tuvok reference. )
trail solar
ah, I recognised it, but not sure where it was from, I use that phrase often too
vagrant topaz
Heh.... @trail solar, some players are legit happy with this, but they've also upgraded their ships to such an extent that we'd argue is insane. That said, every kill counts right?
trail solar
well, I am level 24 and have to kill the same hostiles as you at level 25. The rewards at 600 are flimsy at best
1250 is sorta interesting, but I have to either kill 63 28s or 209 27s for that
vagrant topaz
Yep, my ship is the same as it was at lvl 24, and that was the reason i got stuck there for so long.... trying to get my kumari to catch up. Time or money, the house always wins.
trail solar
yeah, I am not at the Kumari yet
vagrant topaz
My approach is to delaying doing my dailies so that I can get multiple credit for each kill.... whatever little edge that gives me.
trail solar
at any rate, i now way a repair bill for killing 63 28s ofsets the rewards
*in no way
vagrant topaz
LoL,,, the hardest part of this game is not to rush and to pace yourself.
Just look at the latinum time speedup costs for buildings/research .... at 8 hours it's 100 lat, 24 hours is 300 lat.... basically, if you're speeding up anything less than that, you're being ripped off.
This game wants you to be instantly gratified... that's the hardest part to overcome. I started playing alot earlier than many in my alliance, but they're 3-5 levels higher because they pay more. That's their choice.... I've paid too but less.
Just hang in there... think of everything as a marathon (or death-march if you're feeling sadistic) and not as a sprint. There's no finish line here.
Now back to your earlier point about sales.... be sure to consider the March Pack because it's basically an Ultra Station Pack with tokens. But those tokens are basically giving you a timed-release +50% bonus in value or call it a FREE Master Station Pack. Short of the jellyfish, it's the best package value yet however you look at it! You're not gonna turn down a free master pack now are you? 😈
trail solar
I am not spending a dime on this game until the start fixing stuff
I agree that the march pack is pretty good value compared to others
anyway, I am not sure what youre trying to say, but basically if you want to get the flimsy rewards in this event you either have to have spent a lot or spend a lot, and then still do a lot of work.
Even if you have a really good ship, you still have to kill 250 28s
even if you dont have to repair, you have to click the same button like 3 hours in a row, thats just stupid to put it mildly
hardy imp
I’m 18 with a 102k NS. Took me 45 minutes to complete the solo event
vagrant topaz
As your level increases so does the points 22 is 3000 points like 28 might be 5000
trail solar
24-25 is 5000, its higher for 28 I think
hardy imp
800 max points for me, or up to 12 trophies
trail solar
To get a 102K NS at level 18 also means that you spent quite a bit of money, normally speaking you cant have a ship much more than 20/25k at level 18
hardy imp
No doubt money was spent. Relative to other areas of spend, the NS was a steal
trail solar
ohw yeah, its definitely the best bang for your buck, no doubt about that
having a 102k NS at ops 18 is a massive asset
hardy imp
It was 75k at 14 😈
But I digress. These PVE events are terribly difficult for higher level players that haven’t spent to upgrade ships and officers. This definitely isn’t a f2p game if you actually want to compete at anything
Wish there was a way to individualize the goals so they are within reach for every player. Just scale the rewards appropriately. But I suppose there has to be some consequence for pushing ops level too high too fast.
trail solar
yeah, but say I did take it a bit easier and spent some more time upgrading and spent some more money. So my Vahklas and NS would be 20 or 30k stronger. They could do maybe 10 28s in one round instead of 2. That still would mean 25 sorties incl repair cost and time, travel time, looking for hostiles and clicking them.
Its a ridiculous amount of effort and time
like I said, even without repairs, just having to click 250 targets is just dumb
vagrant topaz
You'd have to kill all the lower ones to get the larger ones
Yeah I said three K I would have to probably kill about 300 or so maybe more
I need three ships that strong
topaz sphinx
Maybe if we didn't have to choose to only level a Station or only level a ship itd be better... tho that would mean they'd have to double the refinery rate output for that to be possible
vagrant topaz
It's all player relative, there must be some algorithm at play. This seems reasonable to me.
hasty glen
@hardy imp Definitely agree. I just did the math and even though I'm in my server's #1 alliance, and am extremely cost effective, AND was sitting at 23 (now 24 cause of course this event started about 12 hours after I hit 24, which is the next tier of hostiles) for awhile to get all the prime researches and upgrade my ships... Using my 75k vahklas (since kehra still isn't good enough to spend the uncommons on...) with the right officer setup AND against interceptors, it would take me about 12 hours to get just the first tier of the event (600 points)
and that's against neutral NPCs which are weaker than faction NPCs
The points required for each tier of the event (at 24 at least) is just stupid
5000 points for max? That's 834 level 27s in <8 hours... That's a level 27 NPC kill every ~30 seconds, not counting travel times (whether warping or impulsing to target)... That's impossible, without even thinking about repair times.. You could MAYBE do it if you were spamming lat to instant-repair your ships and moved your base directly to the system where you were farming NPCs, while also having much higher power ships than is possible unless you paid for packs...
hasty glen
Like I get having higher levels get more tokens and having to fight higher level NPCs... but not to the point where you have to get sweaty playing a mobile game just to finish an event
spring mason
The event to kill hostiles is rather pointless when half the time your ship gets hung up in warp and upon rebooting the game is destroyed. Scopely better get it together or this game won't last another month.
vagrant topaz
High levels need less points due to higher power NPCs
minor glen
Ok so my admiral has a 400k May flower. Can knock out 30/ repair. I have a 230k Kumari I can also knock out 30/repair. I need 250 kills at 20 points. He needs 50.... again the mid teirs get the raw deal.
fair cedar
Boycotting this event completely. It has been poorly thought through and implemented - some people lower than me have to reach 5000 for top reward, others only 1000, players above me are either the same as me for the top reward or also 1000, I have to reach 3200 and after struggling to reach 400 (my first reward) I only get 20k tritanium, so I am already in the hole for 4 times that in ship repairs - not wasting my time doing any more. The rewards are not worth the hours and tritanium needed to achieve the result and I will not be spending money to get there.
topaz sphinx
Yeah doesn't seem very well calculated. It's good for people who maxed out ships, but the average player is pooched haha. Once I crack 24, I'll stay there for 2 months or so and just level up my ship so I can participate in these events haha
fair cedar
I am level 28 with 380k ship and I still can't do these events
cobalt bison
This PVE event is horribly imbalanced for L24 players, and from what I hear, many other levels. It's pretty damn insulting when 2nd tier rewards are practically unreachable. #STFCisnotajob
lament ridge
yeah @ level 27 I need 4k points?
blazing owl
I agree this event is horrible. Unless you grind the entire event you will not even reach second prize. And 5k for last...
lament ridge
not that i can't kill 200 npcs but FINDING enough at the right level
and rewards are pretty awful
blazing owl
And no packs for people who can only spend $20 max at a time.. here is another good example on why the $20 packs should not go away. I would by a ship pack just for the repairs so I could get higher in event
astral galleon
@ornate trellis Please make an event calendar.
open ore
<@&509690795536941056> end this event early. Rewards are terrible. Costs are too high. Admit your failure and end this early. Don’t drag this worthless event on for 5 full days when it’s a poor execution of something that you had already established a decent build of before.
blazing owl
@open ore they won’t end it early cause that would require them caring about the game. They know of tons of bugs yet put in events for new ships and create more bugs instead of focusing on the bugs. Since people are still dropping tons of money into the game they will release new stuff to get more and ignore the bugs
We still have tons of mines that do not work, warp issue where patrols can kill you in warp, and since this event started randomly hostiles cannot be attacked. What fun
storm bone
This must be the worst event yet. For me the solo daily is completely impossible. I just turned lvl24 and I can manage 3-4 lvl28 npcs with my mightiest ship between repairs. And the rewards doesn’t even pay the repair bill. 😵🔫
placid bear
there are extremely vast differences in requirements based upon a player's level. i'll post a lvl 24, 27 and 31 requirements.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544034842535395338/555628352631996426/image1.png for level 24
thick raven
This is a joke.
ebon canyon
This event is shit. As a lvl 28 I don’t have any chance to make the solo event. At least mayflower packs could come back to give us a fighting chance.
placid bear
I spent 5 hours that i had to only get the first 2 killing almost nothing but lvl 30 npcs.
and over 600k tritanium in repairs
vagrant topaz
Satana, Only take 50 alliance trophy credit and nothing. Got messages purchase failed. We spent many hundred euro and they joking. Go in satana, shit
placid bear
8 hours is not near enough time to complete killing 200 lvl 30s as a plyaer level 27
i was short 21 of them of getting the 2nd top prize
vagrant topaz
I'm to angry when I see what kind of team! Really robber. Nothing else. I bought about 1000 euro many packs and shit. Daily bonus. Same,,, always popup messages purchase failed.
Go in satana with your events
ancient sonnet
Rewards in this event are not that great considering amount of rss and speedups it consumes.
glossy fjord
latest event is bit harsh, at lvl 19 i had to kill 160 reds of lvl 20 and above for 5 points a kill to reach my goal of 800. this results in about 14 event tokens. this means ill have to repeat this proces atleast 3 or 4 times to even get a reward from the tokens only once. since it costs 50 tokens.. big unbalance for the lower lvl player..
uneven relic
You don’t have tokens from previous events?? Cos my ones I had from the previous events that it used 😂
clever dawn
This event is a money and time sink with laughable rewards, I am actually not doing anymore of this shit
sleek zealot
Yep, i did a couple of levels, thats it. Fck these idiots with their scopely math. Must be the same team who do the refinery.
clever dawn
I spent over 2M trit yesterday and got only halfway through....
ancient sonnet
I did the event but cost is big on repairs and even worst when fighter kills me while my ship is stuck in warp. Wish they make delay on time you get attacked by fighter to be able to restart app without dying.
fair cedar
The rewards don't cover the cost of getting my ships windows cleaned let alone the repairs and time needed to do it.
gilded edge
and personally I hate the current event
and almost everyone on my server thinks the same
fair cedar
Mine too
gilded edge
131 ?
@fair cedar is XXX top alliance with yours? and the server full of non moving hostiles?
@fair cedar it's this event that caused it the last time it was launched
gilded edge
then you are psychological better off then us
coz we see them, but they do not move, and we cannot attack em
dry bluff
what lvl are you vitamin?
ebon canyon
@gilded edge that have been a problem on our server for weeks now.
gilded edge
18
gilded edge
@ebon canyon make that almost two months, it was before the big maintenance update
@dry bluff yes, mostly the level 12-20 systems where affected, coz we raided like crazy, driving the server to it's knees within 24 hours
event launch friday, bugs started saturday, acknowledgement notice from 'admin' in GC on sunday
dry bluff
yeah i know
gilded edge
no updates or notifications since then except for the usual 'known, being worked on' messages from support
dry bluff
i was looking to level my ships on low hostiles (16 - 18 or so and just couldnt find any)
gilded edge
I wish they would setup a new server for us, and move all players to the new server 1:1, and just reset that old server
gilded edge
it's isolated, and from what I heard they tried and failed miserably
mining nodes is a different bug present since beta, they promised to make it priority after they fixed the mining rates
dry bluff
both still shouldnt be there anymore at this point tho 😄
gilded edge
they first wanna fix the bug that caused the fuckups on the apac servers when they deployed it
don't blame the devs, blame the suits giving orders
dry bluff
yeah since they are doing that i hope i can recall my miners before they get attacked when the game comes up 😉
owh yeah i'm not bothered by it
i seen my fair share of releases, bugs and other crap over the years
gilded edge
I blame the people who do not dare to face the users, but leave the crap receival to others
dry bluff
nods
think they just mainly crumbled under their own success
and now slowly getting that solved
gilded edge
they have to, otherwise the game gets shut down by the app stores
if apple and google decides to pull the game from the stores, they are seriously fucked
dry bluff
that too yeah
and then their own issues with the game. i see a good amount of 24+ players give up on the game
gilded edge
and filing refund requests with the stores
thick raven
Because it is getting to hard to level up
gilded edge
they must have high contacts within google and apple to still be allowed to distribute through them after the load of refund requests they had to deal with
dry bluff
yeah all the uncommons etc you need
my ns been stuck at tier 5 for a couple of weeks now. waiting for that one damn rare crystal
gilded edge
uh oh, I smell trouble
maintenance update should have been completed in EU, and still going on
prime sparrow
I had it pegged at an hour
dry bluff
think the plan is to be back up in 50ish mins
round seal
47 minutes to go
supple coyote
@dry bluff i feel your pain my NS is also tier5 waiting for one rare crystsl too for the last 3 months
gilded edge
hour at most, forgot it was GMT 😉
dry bluff
im starting to get to the point of logging on just for my refinery, send miners out .. rinse and repeat 10 hours later
vagrant topaz
How we are supposed to do the event with such pathetic requirements in half a time? @prime gulch maybe give us some ideas. I know it's not nice to trash-talk but ... Seriously anyone checked the guys who set requirements for missions and events?
dry bluff
looks like i dont see any stuck hostiles anymore!
(unfortunately dont see any bases or hostiles at all tho)
dry bluff
well yeah i haven't found a single hostile yet 😛
vagrant topaz
Got some but I need to kill 250 lvl28 hostiles, takes 11-12 to get full repairs
But usually I find like 7-8 in each system
So there are more than 400 kills needed to get the rewards.
If each battle takes 5 seconds
And moving thru impulse speed 10-35 seconds between fighting
I have no time to do the mission
That's assuming I do instant repairs & have no stupid warp cooldown
I swear, sometimes I think the guys who set the requirements of the game are masochists or simply they smoke too much while are at work.
odd dock
move your station closer to a hub in the middle of your targets?
everyone kills 28, the respawns dont garantee 28 ... what goes around, comes around
vagrant topaz
I'm on bug planet :-) invulnerable for those cleptomaniacs who wanna steal my hardwork plundering 🙃
But even if I move there is no system with lvl28 hostiles to kill except if I go on hostile faction
clever dawn
Going to hostile faction with lvl 26-28 to make every kill count you end up killing at least more than 500 hostiles to finish the solo event that is 2 hours doing nothing else if you manage 4 kill/minute this this add repair time.
It is simply mental
My bracket 20s are lvl 32 and I have to kill 160 of those
I need to repair every 3 lvl 32 or every 10 lvl 31, which both net me 60 points.
1 solo event would cost me 4M Trit and 1000 lat and 3 hours of constant playing
I don't know probably they expect people to have 600k ships at level 28?
It would still cost me 3 hours of doing nothing else, but at least I would spend 1/10 of the repairs
buoyant otter
Yeah, the rewards don’t seem to justify the cost or time invested.
vagrant topaz
I've seen a few folks use multiple ships to accomplish the final event goal within the time-constraints. Respectfully, if the event goal's rewards exceed your costs, consider opting-out of the event by not participating. It is not obligatory. This game is all about trade-offs, with that in mind, is it worth it to you to trade your time, latinum, tritanium and/or dilithium for the rewards?
dusky tapir
its not about the fukkin stupid solo event rewards which are peanuts
its about the trophys for your alliance
vagrant topaz
The same calculus applies, is your personal cost for the benefit of the alliance, worthwhile to you?
I'll generally hit the 3rd tier with ease. However, time permitting, it is feasible to hit the final tier with 2 or more ships. (In my case.)
dusky tapir
this is not how an alliance works 😛 evreyone got to participate to give the best result for evreyone
i told my members to not participate if they dont want to because the cost is not worth the reward
but not every alliance will be like that
and you can say "ye those alliance rewards i dont want" but you will harm the whoel group
vagrant topaz
"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." -Spock
dusky tapir
and ye you can ask "is it worthwhile" for every freakin decision in your life
but in the end, this event is still bullshit, no matter what
vagrant topaz
"Or the one." -Kirk
clever dawn
@vagrant topaz what level are you? Because it really depends on that, there are some brackets which totally and utterly fucked in terms of time and resources needed. This is not a question of "your mileage may vary" There is no way as a lvl 28 to finish the event with a net gain (even considering alliance and tokens rewards) unless you have at least a 400k faction ship.
vagrant topaz
@clever dawn There's no need to finish the event. Just go as far as you can reasonably go. Everyone does their part, however best they can, for the betterment of the alliance. I just turned level 25 and have to hit level 28+ for 20 points each. If I put multiple ships on the event, I can certainly finish all tiers, but more casually over the entire timeframe, the 3rd or 2nd tier is adequate.
vagrant topaz
I actually only have 2 that do it easily -- northstar and kumari. But the T2s are surprisingly able to be quickly repaired without speed ups.
clever dawn
I did 1600 points yesterday, with my 300k mayflower I have to kill 375k klingons interceptors. 3 for each repair. The repair cost 60k+ Trit. None of the reward is worth it. The first is nothing and the second already requires almost a million Trit...
vagrant topaz
@clever dawn Scroll up to see my screenshots and earlier posts. I stayed at 24 for 6 weeks, just be patient and pace yourself. The grind is doable. The game is a marathon (or death-march) not a sprint.
clever dawn
Are you reading?
Its about the math
Give me a reason that justify spending 1M Trit on the second reward
vagrant topaz
Alright. Is simply doing your part for your alliance worth a personal sacrifice?
clever dawn
The only thing I care about there is the 4 uncommons
No because the alliance rewards are laughable
3 ultra chests
Last event had uncommons as solo and alliance rewards, I would give an arm and a leg for that
vagrant topaz
Either you deem it worthwhile or not, you aren't obligated to participate in the event. Why fight the notion?
clever dawn
This, is 10 times more expensive and has negligible reward
vagrant topaz
So, don't participate. Opt-out. Quit.
clever dawn
The notion is that this event is not worth for anyone and everyone is complaining about it?
Which is what I am doing
vagrant topaz
I'm sure all of us don't fight for every daily station/officer/research event.... why is this one any different?
clever dawn
Now do me a favor and read alod the name of this channel
vagrant topaz
I have, now your turn. How do my responses fail the intent and name of this channel?
mortal rapids
@vagrant topaz this is event feedback chanel @clever dawn is giving event feedback. On other hand all that you do for last 24h is trolling
clever dawn
mind breaker was faster
One thing is trying to help, another thing is negating evidence.
the power gap between lvl 28 hostiles and lvl 32 hostiles is enourmous, but I bet your NS and Kumari are at about 150k-200k.
vagrant topaz
@mortal rapids How am I trolling? We've been provided an event that is challenging. Not everyone finishes first in every race.
clever dawn
And their repairs are less expensive. You have no clue what it is at lvl 28
imagine doing the event with a 80k Kehra, thats the situation
fossil mist
These events reward players who focus on upgrading ships and underpowering their base. Other events reward players to overpower their base and underpower their ships. Not all events are going to be great for everybody.
vagrant topaz
Regrettably, despite my efforts to be cordial and respectful, I'm not an advocate of a "purple participation ribbon for all" notion. We're not entitled to much in these online games, if anything at all really. Just make the best of it. A little encouragement for resilience is hardly trolling.
clever dawn
@fossil mist What level are you?
fossil mist
32
clever dawn
Can you finish the event?
clever dawn
It means you have dropped 4k quids in the game or that you are playing since august
fossil mist
This time, this event is a little more challenging for me as I've been focusing on leveling my base the last few weeks. The previous time we had this event, it was a breeze for me because my ships were much more powerful than my base level.
(shrug)
clever dawn
The point is that is highly unbalanced at my level, you have what 1000 points cap?
I have 3200
vagrant topaz
I have 5000
fossil mist
Yes, that is very difficult, I agree
Anyone remember what the point cap was last go-round?
clever dawn
Khan you have ships that overpower hostiles 2/1
Kobi and I dont
But I have 3200 point to rack up
vagrant topaz
I have spent several weeks, delaying station progress in order to focus on upgrading my ships. For this event, I may have an advantage.
clever dawn
To get that level of power I would have to gain 2 tier on my myflower... 400-600 quids give or take
vagrant topaz
But as @fossil mist points out, it'll be a severe disadvantage for the next or another event. That's the trade-off.
vagrant topaz
It's a game after all. For every win, there's a loss. Amusingly, the house always wins! 😃
clever dawn
Next bracket is 1000 points
fossil mist
i gotta go kids. Sorry TVok, I do feel your pain
clever dawn
Bye mate
fossil mist
Been trying to explain that to the heavy hitters in my alliance about why the lower level guys are having trouble contributing
vagrant topaz
I agree it's challenging but that's why there's the alliance event -- we can all pitch in right?
At least we can come out of the event at the end, knowing we tried... whatever the alliance places.
clever dawn
Its not challenging its broken
I am giving feedback to these guys because it is broken
If it was 1500 points it would have been challenging
vagrant topaz
Again, it's not about going the whole way? Even the first tier is something. Something is better than nothing. I'd rather an alliance of everyone trying (going 1 tier), than a majority not even trying.
That's my feedback, just go for what you can, no more no less.
snow bronze
Or focus on the long-term so you do well on the rest of the events in the future
vagrant topaz
True. We learn. and to borrow a borg line... we will adapt.
clever dawn
@vagrant topaz sorry, I understand where you are coming from, but it does not apply. Once you reach lvl 27 the only limiting factor to your progress is uncommon materials. Reward 1 ahs nothing, Reward 2 has 4 uncommons. I get twice as much from refinery 2 times a day! Its just not worth it.
lunar acorn
It should be challenging to get to the last reward, not the first one 😛
prime sparrow
I'd spend more on trit than all the rewards for the entire event combined
just on repairs
clever dawn
the first rewards sets me back 8 repairs at 60-65k trit each plus 3h repair speed ups
vagrant topaz
@clever dawn Fair point, I'm also feeling the 3* UC and rare pinch. My NS ate my lucky 3* rare crystal and will largely be frozen in place for months. That said, in the same way we all help open-up stations for lower level alliance members to raid, the higher you are the better positioned you are to help the alliance. Personally, you're right, it's not worth it. But then... since when was buying pixels with real money and investing real time ever worth it? 😛 Happy Gaming man, hang in there. I'm sure another event will put you right back in the black.
snow bronze
Time for Operations Level 50
clever dawn
@vagrant topaz I like you positive attitude, again my only goal is to make sure the NEXT event I dont get royally screwed by the design like this time.
unique nymph
how i can do this stupid event whith my kumari 200k ?! explain me, developers !?
cobalt bison
@clever dawn👍
unique sparrow
An Event that costs you 10 times more ressources than it rewards is just ridiculous. Also it consumes way too much time to accomplish. We are already spending too many hours on this game.
naive bolt
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wet vale
This kill event is just showing retrieving for points scores at the moment, are the points per npc changing or is something broken?
karmic umbra
I have to destroy 150 enemies with twice the power of my largest ship every 8 hours to get the full rewards? No thanks, I hope the changes get to tone that down
minor glen
No, instead of bringing it down to a manageable level , they are upping the diffaculty of the higherlevel players. So, there is still nil chance of getting top rank, and just made it harder for the top guys to do it as well...
supple coyote
@prime gulch the 5000 poin5ts limit for 24/25 his too high to obtain in the alloted time on the st patricks day event repair costs also make it prohibitive
minor glen
Which is why so many on my server and others have decided to not do it.
karmic umbra
Yeah right now I could probably get the first tier of reward with constant repairs, soooo not worth it
I'd honestly gain more by mining the same resources
supple coyote
250 lvl 28 kills when we can at best do 10-12 kills before repair (each repair takes 90 mins) is not achievable
250x 20 points
if i go for lvl 27s i need to kill 834
833.333333333 x 6 = 5000
and if i go for 26's i need to kill 2500 at 2 points per kill
just not worth it
karmic umbra
Objectives would need to be down 80-90% to make it worth the time again in my case
supple coyote
yup
deep sluice
Can't see the Scotty event
whole notch
Great to increased prizes, and something for wasted res yesterday?
supple coyote
prizes dont look any better to me
ruby haven
Funny these events ours is killing hostiles but our server the hostiles are broken and its been that way for 4 months about time they fixed them and the other bugs
upper orchid
Rewards haven't changed. Was there also going to be a retro award for rewards previously collected at the lesser amount?
green quartz
@prime gulch I appreciate the update, but killing 200 level 30 hostiles is just not feasible
topaz sphinx
^
opal gorge
Worst event ever, at Level 28 with a 300k Kumari it's a pain in the ass to kill level 32, let alone if I use the SHITFLOWER.
3200 points, seriously what are they thinking??
dusky tapir
300k kumari should be decent vs 32s 🤔
dusky tapir
green quartz
@opal gorge I’m 27 and I need 4000 points
boreal canyon
@prime gulch thanks for listening to feedback and pledging to increase the event rewards. It's always good to feel like you're progressing in a game, whether you pay or not, and the current rewards just felt like more of a resource "trade" than a reward. Like trading tritanium and dilithium for uncommon resource. It's just nice to feel like you come out positive if you put in the time on an event such as this, and it just doesn't feel like that at all in its current state.
atomic bronze
@prime gulch yeah no. Event not balanced. I max at 1k at lvl 30. I just kill 50 lvl 34s and I’m done
A friend who’s lv 28 max at 3600. He needs to kill 3.6x the number of ships I do. That’s totally unfair to him. And he spent 4m dil in repairs when I spent 200k
The lv 38 on our server maxes at 500. And a 41 I know maxes at 250
100000% unbalanced. And 4th grade math can prove it. You need new devs cuz they suck at math
So I need to kill 50 at 20 pts each. A 41 needs to kill 13. A 28 needs to kill 180 @ 20. God forbid the lv 28 must do 6 pts each ... 600 kills
6 pts for me is 167 kills
Elementary math. Every level should need to kill the EXACT same number of hostiles.
hasty hemlock
Pity me, for I am within the 5000 point bracket!
atomic bronze
@hasty hemlock the only reason I could see for this would be if you got the same rewards I do
mental tapir
It's like they don't even care
atomic bronze
@hasty hemlock what are your rewards?
atomic bronze
@mental tapir the lvl 41 I know needs 250
If the rewards are scaled, everyone should need to do the same number of points. If rewards are equal, then lower lvls should need to kill more for the same rewards.
hasty hemlock
Let me look
atomic bronze
Those are mine
hasty hemlock
atomic bronze
Scaled
hasty hemlock
Yep
atomic bronze
So you should only have to get 1k points then
hasty hemlock
Because I love spending 4 hrs and speedups on non faction hostiles for trit and dil negative rewards, for the same uncommon my refinery spits out
atomic bronze
So yeah. This totally screws people lv 28 and under
It takes me 15 min to complete the solo
And I spend 200k dil on repairs
If that
I run 2 ships and repair each twice to get my 50
2k trit 13k dil per repair for my destroyed faction ships. So 8k trit 52k dil
hasty hemlock
Plus because it's such a massive time commitment, I have no chance of doing 2/3 of the daily events unless I like no sleep and want to get fired 🤣
atomic bronze
So less than I thought
hasty hemlock
Like I don't necessarily hate grinding. I've grinded the last few hostile events, but this one is just not worth it. If I could do faction hostiles without demolishing my points per kill I'd not be complaining
But i can't kill more than 15 or so lvl 28 faction hostiles before repairing, and only my Kumari is on that level
prime sparrow
When are the prizes increasing?
At level 22 I have to repair 3 times to reach the first goal at about 18k trit per repair.
clever dawn
So are the changes to the event happening?
prime sparrow
I'm guessing it will be the next round
pliant mulch
Truly worst event ever. At level 24 I'm expected to kill 250 level 28 hostiles (if I could even find that many) to complete. Cost is WAY more than the rewards.
clever dawn
Let's give them a chance to correct themselves, but it really need to be a massive swing for me to bother doing the event, anything less then (for lvl 28-29) dropping points from 3200 to 1000 and doubling the rewards and I will just leave it as I do now.
pliant mulch
I just quit playing it for the moment. Grinding to end up with a resource loss not my thing.
atomic bronze
It’s an easy fix. Rewards don’t even need changing. They just need to make it 125, 250, 500, 1k points for all levels
That would make it perfectly fair
pliant mulch
And it costs 5000 points to get there.
mental tapir
Yeah I could get 1k in only 4 hours ... Haha
mental tapir
My strongest is a ns 150k
pliant mulch
Yeah, I could live with that.
atomic bronze
That’s why I said the rewards don’t need to change. They just need to make the effort equals across all levels
Now if rewards were the same, then lower levels should have to work harder
Because the rewards would then be more value to lower lvls and less to higher lvls
clever dawn
Anything more then 1k I do not bother, but the rewards are still way less than what you spend... for 1k I need 1M Tritanium
atomic bronze
@clever dawn and at 1k, I spend 8k trit / 52k dil in repairs
So very worth it to me
clever dawn
Leave alone 3 hours of killing and all the latinum for speed repairs...
at lvl 28 you have to kill lvl 32
atomic bronze
I do 50 ships at 20 pts in 15-20 mins and with my research , my repair costs are much lowered
atomic bronze
Mine are 500k ships and dirt cheap to repair. 2k trit, 13k dil when destroyed
One thing is going from a lvl 29 to 30 dry dock. HUGE reduction in repair costs and times
More so than any other lvls
pliant mulch
The note only says they are increasing rewards. I also dont think they understand how long 250 level 28 kills takes.
safe silo
I call BS on you hawthy my ships are 442k and cost 132k trit to repair
pliant mulch
The points needed has to drop.
atomic bronze
@safe silo You can, and I would be happy to prove you wrong with the screenshot
Brb while I go kill a ship and make a screenshot @safe silo
@pliant mulch exactly. Rewards don’t need adjusting. They need to make the points 125, 250, 500, 1k for everyone
It’s just another tactic to try to get low levels to spend to level up
safe silo
@atomic bronze and yes I have capped research
atomic bronze
@safe silo I’m wrong. Mine is cut off. I assumed it was 2000, but it must be 200k cuz I went from 80m trit to 79.8
safe silo
Aye it's def 200k lol
atomic bronze
So I have 800k per solo event
clever dawn
200k is believable
safe silo
The rewards the high lvls get is pure crap for event and much harder than low lvls cause of power difference in enemy ship lvls
atomic bronze
It’s worth 800k seeing all the rewards
clever dawn
Right now I would have to spend about 4M trit to complete it
atomic bronze
I’d pay 1M trit for the rewards
hasty hemlock
The time commitment for me at 24 is far greater than what hawthy has to put in. I don't have the ability to grind out that number of hostiles multiple times a day on the schedule they've dictated
atomic bronze
For a lvl 30+, the event is worth it. For lower lvls, it sucks
hasty hemlock
If I had to kill 50 ships I could do that. 5x that number is heck for those rewards
atomic bronze
Probably a tactic to try to get lower lvls to pay to lvl to where it is easier
safe silo
Wdf you mean 50 ships?
hasty hemlock
And that's not even factoring in the lack of systems with lvl 28 hostiles to triangle against
atomic bronze
@safe silo I only need to kill 50 ships for 1k
clever dawn
Lvl 28
atomic bronze
20x50=1000
clever dawn
thats the last reward
safe silo
You need 3600 not 1000
clever dawn
At level 30 you dont
safe silo
Sorry 3200
atomic bronze
clever dawn
thats the lvl 28-29 braket
atomic bronze
Easy easy for me
safe silo
LOL
clever dawn
30s need 1000
atomic bronze
I kill 50 lv 34s and done
safe silo
Ah gotcha I was confused lol
atomic bronze
Hence why my repair costs make the event worth it for 30+
safe silo
Man I got screwed than cause I'm in the 3200 bracket lulz
atomic bronze
Lower lvls need 5200 points
safe silo
HOWEVER though most people don't have multiple faction ships like you do tho correct hawthy?
hasty hemlock
Yea it looks like the mid 20s are the fucked brackets. Below 20 you can triangle or use a ship flat out overpowered for the level, 30+ number of kills goes way down.
atomic bronze
That’s why we are saying the rewards don’t need to change
clever dawn
But they have easier kills
atomic bronze
The points need to
clever dawn
lvl 28-29 are royally fucked
atomic bronze
People w/o faction ships or high tier g3 are fucked
A lvl 30 with no fac ships are screwed too lol
Lucky I have 2 mayflower + 1 Saladin. So I blow through stuff
safe silo
Most people don't have that many though hawthy
atomic bronze
Exactly
clever dawn
I have a 300k mayflower and it can kill 3 lcl 32 but then it needs to repair
atomic bronze
Hence why I said it’s all a ploy to get ppl to buy
safe silo
There's also the fact most won't waste $200 on a crappy ship when they can get the 500k for free xD
clever dawn
If you have a 500k mayflower its easier of course
but not many lvl 28 have a T6 Mayflower
atomic bronze
You can get a mayflower for free, but you’re not getting it to 500 K free
safe silo
No I mean the 500k rep ships sorry
atomic bronze
Oooooo
Yes
I’m at 2M but cuz they put on that stupid lvl req, I can’t build my Intrepid
fair cedar
This is my first level rewards for hitting 20x 32 level ships.
I used my two strongest ships to reach this using the combat triangle as an advantage.
This is my repair bill. So NOT doing this event, pointless and rewards are :poop:
144k trit deficit, so it is a no from me.
midnight tulip
The event is really awful. To get the max reward at my level I need to repair 30 times lasting 50 minutes every 8 hours. Means 120 repairs a day, needing 100 hours repair time in 24h. So this event is just designed to pull out repair booster and latinum. And most worse it costs a lot of real life time. So either make it short and expensive or long and cheap. As non cash gamer I'm really pissed of how somebody can design such a bad event. It's awful 👿👿👿
worldly fable
agreed, the design is top level trash
vagrant topaz
Hence why I got back to lunatic running the asylum. I think some of the suits and developers are just pain clueless
spiral tulip
this event is designed to burn through my trilithium and dilithium. All to get a couple of the rarest items in the game, uncommon 3* mats. But, this is the ONLY way to get uncommon mats in the game since the refinery no longer produces uncommon. #abouttodeletegame
vagrant topaz
@spiral tulip Mine produces them like candy, but I'm lvl 41
spiral tulip
@vagrant topaz Nice! I won't make it there. I'll switch to a challenging game
fossil mist
wow, amazing changes STFC crew. Thank you for listening to the community. I personally haven't experienced that from you all until this event. Keep it up.
You all still have a long way to go in restoring faith with the players... just look at the #👾-bug-reporting section. But this is the first step in the right direction.
@prime gulch
@ornate trellis
spiral tulip
Mine looks nothing like that. Not even close. Even if those numbers were true it would take max achivement in 25 events to upgrade ONE building. No horizon, no ship upgrade, nothing else.
@panic @ornate trellis
fossil mist
@spiral tulip well, they DO want you to spend money...
spiral tulip
no, they got my money. they are done
fossil mist
lol hear that
spiral tulip
they aren't listening
fossil mist
I hear that.
spiral tulip
instead of playing STFC tonight, I watched Captain America Civil War again. for the 20th time. far more entertaining.
autumn idol
Thanks for the tweaks in the latest event. Really appreciate that u guys are listening to feedbacks from the community.
junior plaza
This is not enogth
opal geyser
@atomic bronze lucky you. Half the points half the rewards for me at level 19
junior plaza
event should pay off they should be possible to do and doing them should leave you better off, all that happens now is you dont do them because your better off
clever dawn
Now for the 27-28 bracket is hard but rewarding
ivory current
Good luck with your tickets, still haven't received the rewards from the last event:
But I'm sure they'll delete these messages even though I've paid to play this game and have been playing since November... Just great customer support when after 3 days of back-and-forth you have nothing to show for it, just stolen rewards
prime gulch
@ivory current I'm pushing this through Support to get a reply
ivory current
@prime gulch, thanks...but honestly me and my alliance have given up on tickets...my lvl24 just got zeroed again in 18hrs, 8hr bubble didn't stop them, no 5min bubble, no notification to his phone...after 4 months the glitches are killing us and the players left on the game.
prime gulch
Well that's not good enough! I'll see what I can do to get to the bottom of this
fossil mist
@prime gulch thank you for looking into some of these tickets personally.
Is there any way to revisit old tickets? or can we only have 1 open at a time?
wild turtle
I have one open almost non-stop. One issue ends, I address the next. 😅
If I don't, they'll ask if I have anything for them. 😁
atomic bronze
@opal geyser well you shouldn’t get the same rewards as a lvl 30
wild turtle
Sometimes I wonder who is employing who..
opal geyser
@atomic bronze I meant before they changed the points I now get half the rewards I got before the reduced the amount
opal geyser
It has made it even more pointless the it was before
Cost to repair is 4x more then I get
atomic bronze
Well idc about the trit rewards. Just the uncommon. I’d pay 1M trit to get 12 uc lol
opal geyser
Game doesn't like me anyway. Used to get a hidden charge to repair as well
ivory current
Same here, burned all my speed UPS the first two days and now PVE don't drop speedups. I am done with this event.
atomic bronze
I can do it without repairing at 500 points. So I don’t burn anything. The event is meant to annoy you so you pay to increase your ships/level
I kill 25 ships and that’s my 500 pts
opal geyser
@atomic bronze 5 points per level 20 or higher and need 400 points used to be 800
atomic bronze
I kill lvl 34s for 20pts each
opal geyser
Don't get any option for 20 points anything higher then level 20 will only give 5 points :(
solar berry
What's event tiers (points/Alliance tokens) for Lvl20?
pseudo glen
@prime gulch I haven’t heard from any customer support person in regards to purchasing the March pack and not getting the enlist tokens nor the 3 relocation tokens. This has been going on for 72 hrs now.
prime gulch
@pseudo glen Escalating that to support and will let you know
halcyon crater
@solar berry
The alliance side of this event is a joke if your alliance isnt one of the top 25 in strength and active on your server you have no chance for alliance rewards
kindred aurora
Bit different on my server for some reason. I'm in an alliance of six. A long way off the top 100 alliances in power but currently sitting 23rd in event with about 130 points.
Maybe the prizes haven't inspired the others to go for it. I'm glad regardless!
halcyon crater
The one I'm on you have to have over 1000 points
kindred aurora
Crazy difference!
halcyon crater
Yeah
On yours what's the #1 alliance have for points on yours
The #1 alliance in ours has 27243
kindred aurora
8,500
And that is the most powerful alliance.
Parallel universes, eh?
halcyon crater
Yeah
opal geyser
Difference between 2nd and 3rd on my server
halcyon crater
Yeah on mine the difference between 1st and 2nd is 20k and 2nd to 3rd is 3k
atomic bronze
raven stratus
topaz sphinx
Heck yeah
placid bear
they didn't increase the tritanium much most need for repairs for this event. I;ve spent well over 2 mil tri so far in repairs and have all research done for reduced rss for repairs except the Prime Repair. they only doubled up the uncommon rewards and maybe added 27k tritanium to the top reward for solo. I use half of the 162k for a full repair following combat triangle using a Kumari
and if you calculate the number of repairs for the full solo rewards, it's still a tremendous loss of tritanium.
rugged mesa
Like all past events, it panders to the big money players and ignores the middle and low levels. I read the Scopely comments that they are listening to the players. I call Shenanigans. SHENANIGANS! How about just making it so that all the mines work? That’d be great.
whole notch
I find events are more about activity than power level. I regularly get top 100 in sole events, but I'm not even in top 300 of power on the server.
languid mesa
Maybe they were looking at data and saw a lot of people sitting on piles of tritanium so the event is to get people to go through it
strong trail
The rewards as usual rubbish. The amount off 3* ore required for research and ship modules is out of control compared to refining and event rewards received
For example to upgrade 3 mods on my kumari requires 720 uncommon 3* ore. How many events and months refining is that going to take or approx £ 600 in packs REALLY!!!!!!!
languid mesa
@polar token everyone on my server I once they hit the upper 20s is sitting on tens of millions and even hundreds of millions of tritanium...just waiting for the refinery to let us use most of it
polar token
@languid mesa I'm only a lowly level 22 so I've yet to feel that pain. I'll not be looking forward to it 😂
languid mesa
You’ll get there...it’s a weird change of pace
gilded edge
I could use a pile of tri, thats the resource I never have enough of 😛
I don't mind the waiting for uc+ resources, as hard as it might be to get em
yeah, guessed so, wasting too much time here, got raided again 😛
5 hours ago
nah, single knock 😃
hahaha, a single level 15 trying to hit my 18 base, guess he was trying 😃
clever dawn
@placid bear it is a huge loss of trit and lat, I have spent about 6-7 M trit in this event a about 5k lat. It is also a huge time investment, it takes me 2 hours minimum to kill the hostiles. But the 90 uncommon/day are worth it IMO. Barely mind you. Also I will not be able to keep this up for long.... I kinda have stuff to do outside of the game and to keep it up I need to play 9-10 hours including 3 hours at night
past kettle
Sorry developers, event takes too many resources to complete. You have messed this one up. I hope you rethink this one again. It should be a challenge to complete not completely out of balance.
gilded edge
known, thats not just with events
it's even with killing hostiles having resources
the damage caused in battle costs more to repair then the resources you get from the hostile
or missions that require you to donate resources
vagrant topaz
You people are lucky
Top 3 alliances are blockading the 3* systems in a pack. No one else can get near any 3* ores. And because the too 3 alliances are pretty much all the top players, we cant touch them lmao
The game has literally stopped
brave hazel
I was level 21 at start of event. It was a grind, but doable to kill the level 24 Romulans with 4-5 repairs. Now I'm level 22 and it wants me to kill level 26's. I really want the uncommon ore, but I cannot afford 13-17 repairs per event cycle. Just not worth it to bother.
gilded edge
@vagrant topaz nore G3 sources are about to get added
odd dock
@vagrant topaz on my server, the top alliances are trying the same thing, they threaten anyone they cant beat (because of level bracket)... I dont think they realise that if they follow through with their threats, im pretty sure a single post on facebook with screenshots of evidence would result in their multi euro accounts being suspended ... bad publicity about bullying is all the rage these days
gilded edge
@odd dock if they threaten, report them, it's against the TOS
odd dock
ill keep that in mind, if this person ever tries anything silly, ill ensure he and his alliance learn the hard way, ty
clever dawn
@gilded edge where did you get that news?
gilded edge
about more g3 ?
clever dawn
Yep
vagrant topaz
@odd dock on our server they are just blowing people up. Its a pvp game so they are technically doing nothing wrong. One alliance hogging the 3* ores, one on crystals and one on gas. They are very efficient with 60+ players active in each alliance. We can do nothing to break it
wheat crypt
Even with the change in event points required and prizes the event is still not worth doing
vagrant topaz
would to buy a new ship
halcyon crater
On our server there are a bunch of lvl 14 guys sitting on g3 mines even when they are empty just to prevent those that need it for daily's and to upgrade from being able to
blazing owl
@halcyon crater we have that happening on ours
They get on nodes and we can hit them off
halcyon crater
Imo the easiest way to fix that would make it that you have to have an envoy or higher to mine but then that would cause the problem for those that use non survey ships to mine
gilded edge
https://stfc.key2peace.org/view.php?id=28 <- the fix
halcyon crater
That works for some but what would that time be? Because you have people that are active but not with that ship. It also doesnt take care of the fact that lvl 14 and below players that have zero need for g3 resources mining them.
livid bane
maybe this is some incentive for every alliance to also have some lower level players in their alliance, say around level 17, to kick those level 14s off the mine?
restive smelt
Or an alliance with an academy alliance.
sweet steeple
who knows ? What idiots do quests and events in the game? I think there are 2-3 idiots working there who don’t even play this game ... the game is very disappointing
vague ore
@sweet steeple why are you posting the same thing in every channel?
sweet steeple
so there were more answers!
so you say or not? how many idiots work in your company
vague ore
Careful now.
restive smelt
@sweet steeple buddy no point in attacking mods. And fyi most mods don't work for the company but help out voluntarily.... so show some respect... that is if you want to be treated with respect.
As for your question.... what might look good in one enviroment and at one level might not be as good at another. So balancing will always have to be tweeked but we need to remember change doesn't happen over night.
Take care and have fun.
Ps: Sorry i don't know how many people work for scopely so i can't help with that.
halcyon crater
@sweet steeple from what I know the dev's have 1 mod account here and they dont respond to that kind of attitude towards them. I wouldn't be surprised if they just block those that have that kind of unproductive and aggressive attitude/comments towards them
topaz sphinx
I would love to see the metrics on who and how many people participated in this event.
final thunder
Anyone know if there is going to be another faction event to get level 26 faction ships?
languid mesa
Part 2 of the event that introduced the 26 ships is later this month so maybe we will see them there
gritty crag
Fuck this event is BS, when you cant find more off the hostiles giving 20 points, and the hostile that are higher lvl, dont give more points then 20.
I mean its not like the player base love the dev team, and then something simple balance like having the same number off hostiles in zone, those... cant even figure out
languid mesa
I find it weird that there is a maximum point level per hostile...i get 20 pts for a level 32 but if I can kill a 40 why not give more?
topaz sphinx
It's also weird that some people only have to hit +3 levels for 20 points
Besides the fact the milestones are insanely high even after nerf
It's actually hurting them because their whole business model is built around advancing your station , but you can't do that if you want to level ships
And the only way to succeed at the events is to twink, or stay at a level in purpose to soley focus on ship upgrading for weeks
Oh well. Grind away
cobalt bison
I've found a solution to Scopely's balancing issues: I'm actively playing another game that is ran by a better group of developers. I don't need to be logged in to STFC for my build timers to count down. I absolutely want to love this game, but I'm still waiting for it to come out of beta.
P.S. - I'm taking my money with me. 👌
topaz sphinx
If there's going to be another faction event, can we be told in advance what the minimum rep is so we can grind to that level and be ready vs having to grind during the event
opal geyser
I don't think the timing of the event has worked out very well. I can complete my solo event 1hr after the alliance one has finished
dusky tapir
i think that is because events got shifted by 1h ahead
tropic folio
dst, baby!
restive smelt
😂😂😂 insanity ensues?
tropic folio
calamity and confusion!
slender jay
@topaz sphinx every odd level needs to hit +3 up, every even needs to hit +4 up. Levels are combined so that 20 and 21 get same targets, 22 and 23 get same targets...
kindred aurora
@prime gulch At level 18 I never found the solo events unachievable or costly. With my Talla I could farm explorer NPC's and return with more tritanium than my repairs cost. That, plus the generous tritanium and dilithium prizes, meant that I managed to complete a couple of donation missions alongside the boost to my uncommons.
Using up trophies leftover from a previous event, I did quite well from the officer chests as well and was lucky enough to get full shard sets for three officers over the days (I wonder if those odds were boosted for the event?).
After all the loud complaints the tritanium and dilithium rewards were reduced but I was still not losing resources from the events and happy to get double the uncommons.
The only downside was that the relatively small alliance I'm in had been doing quite well in the leaderboard. I, personally, picked up every trophy available. Once the changes were made all the lazy, bigger alliances found themselves floating up the rankings without putting any extra effort in.
We would have just clung on to 25th place if our server's most powerful player hadn't started a new 2-player alliance at the last moment and pushed us down another place.
I appreciate that you've tried to move quicker at addressing concerns by changing the solo event after all the shouting but it gifted an undeserved boost to those not fully engaging in the event.
I don't really have a suggestion as to a fairer solution and won't be shouting 'compensation' which is a favourite warcry round here but just wanted to express my thoughts on this event which I'm happy with overall.
clever dawn
@prime gulch Please no more events like this! Beside recovering from an aemorrhage of 15M Tritanium, 3M Dilithium and 10000 Latinum, you cannot expect people to play 9/10 hours per day including 3 hours between midnight and 8am for 5 days straight. (for your statistics, level 28, 300k mayflower, killing klingon interceptors in Tullias)
languid mesa
It must be really hard to balance an event when people are free to advance their station/ships however they like with very little structure to limit them.
They should error on the side of making things more achievable
opal geyser
@kindred aurora you must have got different tritaniam and diltihum rewards then I got the first 2 levels in the event was lower then I had to spend to repair any of my ships the uncommon while good didn't make up for what I had to spend to repair and I'm level 19 so only a level above you
clever dawn
@languid mesa Unless you have a T5 faction ship at level 28 you are looking at 3-4 kills each repair for 20 points, but that is not the problem! The problem is that to make those 20 points kill spawn you are killing lvl 30 and 31 which net you a lot less points per repair. Each repair is about 70-80k Tritanium plus Dili and 30 Lat. It is a huge amount of work, averaging 1200 kill/day and 9-10 hours of effort
obtuse urchin
@clever dawn lvl29 - getting 20+ 20pt kills (faction npcs lvl32) out of t6 kumari and vahklas
clever dawn
@obtuse urchin a T6 Kumari means you have spent 500 quids on it, you cannot expect this to be the standard
languid mesa
@clever dawn I’m level 29 and I don’t have a T5 faction ship. I was using a 250k Kumari and a 355k mayflower and was able to do it in about 45 min each time. Plus I would use my northstar to clear the 30s.
languid mesa
It is but that’s tier 4
obtuse urchin
was just pointing out that not need faction ships
clever dawn
T5 as in upgrade
Tier 5 Mayflower
mine is tier 4 300k and it nets 3-4 kill per repair
obtuse urchin
the kumari can kill over 20 non-faction npc on it's own
clever dawn
The mayflower is a faction ship
languid mesa
I prob got one or two more kills out of mine...Kumari was definitely the workhorse
kindred aurora
@opal geyser That's odd. I actually got more tritanium from hitting the explorer hostiles than I needed for repairs. About 2.3k for repairs and around 4k collected.
The rewards were just a bonus.
clever dawn
Well kill me for not leveling up the Kumari since I already have a mayflower
Either the Mayflower is completely broken or the event is
languid mesa
The mayflower is broken
obtuse urchin
stopped upgrading D3 cuz not significantly better at realistic tiers than kumari, even against Roms
languid mesa
@kindred aurora this event was definitely a huge negative on tritanium and dilithium for me
They said they were looking in to the mayflower issues during the q&a
opal geyser
@kindred aurora each hit gave around 87 tritaniam and cost 5-6k per repair plus dilitham costs on top of that. Rewards for the first couple where under 1k each as well
kindred aurora
@languid mesa Yeah, a lot of higher levels have said they couldn't recoup costs.
languid mesa
I feel like that was the point of the event...to get people to spend their reserves
dim cave
Our alliance just finished the event and I didn’t get my rewards
kindred aurora
@opal geyser Level 18 to 20 Boslic Slave Traders were giving me 180 to 190 tritanium. So I was probably actually getting about 3.5k per run and therefore making 1k profit. No idea why your Talla repair costs would be so high in comparison though.
Definitely odd how different our experiences were.
opal geyser
@kindred aurora during the event they was giving hardly anything did think it was odd. Think every server had a different output wouldn't surprise me to be honest everyone in my server found it wasn't worth the effort for the repair costs
wet vale
This event stunk. As a new lvl24 i couldn't kill enough of the ships that gave 20 points to make it worth even trying for a single reward tier. For the future, stop banding levels together, as what a new lvl24 and a lvl25 with the kumari built are massively different. It's awful to see a 4 day event and know you're expected to just sit it out. Stop doing weekly events with new reward tiers every 8 hours, as it encourages unhealthy gameplay, where work, sleep or life will have to suffer if you want to do well. Give better rewards and only reset every 24 hours instead.
Stop doing rewards where only the top 10/25 alliances will benefit - all it does is encourage you to jump ship to a more powerful alliance as soon as you can get in. F2P and people who like to take the game slowly should still feel like it's worth participating in events, and all the recent events (this, faction blueprints event etc) have told me is that i should be finding a different game to play.
delicate moss
Maybe a misunderstood the rules. I thought there was to be a prize for the top 50 players per server. I have not received anything yet.
And yes I was in the top 50
digital haven
I contribited, got nothing for my alliances 2nd place. As of yet. The event was garbage. It cost more to complete a tier than i recieved in compensation from individual tier at any point. Looks like we know what to continue to expect for our efforts in this cash grab excuse of a game...nothing
mental tapir
This event was the most awful in the history of STFC events
worldly fable
Refund any purchases made last week citing the false advertising of the top 50 event. Hit them in the pocketbook.
vagrant topaz
Really? Pvp event was worse...faction ship event was a blatant cash grab, mining events suck, honesty in comparison this one wasn't too bad after milestones and rewards were tweaked
coarse spindle
@@ornate trellis and/or @@prime gulch . I Placed this in another room by mistake...my Alliance came in 9th and at least 3 of us did not receive the reward. Will there be a loyalty chest or something? A few thousand latinum should do it.
fast granite
@coarse spindle you don't get any rewards if you don't contribute to the event itself, so to get rewards you need to earn at least 1 trophy for the alliance
prime gulch
Looking into why the event did not prize everyone in the winning alliances.
coarse spindle
I earned several
languid anvil
Where is the next event?
languid mesa
It usually starts on Wednesday or Thursday doesn’t it?
delicate moss
Yes my entire alliance did not get any solo awards for being in the top 50
And we did not leave and come back
languid mesa
I don’t think the game was ever really tracking that as it’s own event
It ranks every event...even unranked ones...but there were no listed prizes and the rankings weren’t posted
fleet widget
it says in the official announcement that "The top 50 players will receive prizes with the value of the prizes heavily weighted near the top"
vagrant topaz
They say a lot of things, "armadas coming soon" for instance
languid anvil
Their definition of an armada sounds dumb. I’m not lending my ships to someone else to have fun with.
delicate moss
What he said☝
languid anvil
Armada should allow you to create virtual alliances and have players from different alliances be part of your armada
delicate moss
Or how about cross server events
jaunty creek
When’s the next faction event?
placid bear
soon™
languid anvil
Let’s go already
tidal raptor
Gimmie gimmie gimmie
rustic jasper
They told me today that I didn’t get my rewards because I left my alliance 14 different times... (I never left once) this is ridiculous! Finished 3rd and got nothing for it....
sterile flint
Repair research
clever dawn
@rustic jasper same happen to a friend in our alliance
@prime gulch btw what is this rule that if you switch during an event you don’t get a reward? Seems pretty arbitrary and undocumented. This kind of stuff should pretty straight, if you start putting hidden rules people will get frustrated. And it is not the first time. See the defense platforms not counting towards station events or daily power creep.
opal gorge
Because they cant't fix the help exploit, or maybe that could be intentionally as people burn through resources quicker they might buy stuff.
In every bug/exploit there seems to be a bigger thought 😄
topaz sphinx
^ is probably why. But a person should be allowed to change alliance during an event and earn the new alliance reward as long as they contribute or whatever
wild turtle
I always seen the internal station buildings as to be modules (generators, vault, storage) and the rest as non-modules.
As the station event image shows that image.
torpid saddle
Switching alliances during events is a no no in other games too not just this one. Although they should have definitely put it out there
However Scopely saying people switched alliances when they haven’t is ridiculous!
St. Patrick’s day is over Scopely, put the whiskey and Guiness down and sober up!
topaz sphinx
Lol
thick raven
Most of my ally members didn´t get any reward.
vagrant topaz
So when are we ever going to get another shot at a Northstar?
lament ridge
Never obviously lol
unique meadow
@prime gulch does spending resources for the event include donating during missions?
lament ridge
So the faction credits aren’t even enough for 1 ship bp lol
mystic parcel
Since when do I have to "join" an event for it to count? I just made a big upgrade only to figure out it didn't count. This is ridiculous.
karmic umbra
Yeah I don't quite understand that, especially since it appears you can join on multiple factions
mystic parcel
I'm so annoyed.
karmic umbra
It's not an active choice or anything so I'm confused by that
dusky tapir
you have to "join" the event so you cant blame anyone for gainign negative reputation with other factions
so it makes perfectly sense
proud sun
For the Solo Domination Event, I almost got the 400 trophies to get the chests. Towards the end, it became apparent I would not. So, I spent the trophies I had. However, I needed to wait 24 hours to get another chance to spend more. And the event ended and the option to get more was gone. Are we going to be able to spend those at some point?
dusky tapir
those "rewards" are a freakin joke tho, can't believe that shit
mystic parcel
Same happened to me, fish beard
dusky tapir
for spending 55m parsteel i get basically 0 rep (compared to what i got already) and 0 credits (coompared to..whatever you wanna compare it to)
those numbers are disgusting, as usual
mystic parcel
They are pretty bad
vagrant topaz
Yeah, the rewards are a joke. I'll earn more rep farming the rss to spend for the event.
ebon canyon
Once more a shitty event. Spending 10k Latinum gives 1mil points. First lvl of reward is 1,5 mill points. That’s ridicules.
hidden geyser
I love the intro spend resources ?? You mean buy packs to spend resources, because with production alone, you cant build jackshit
So I guess, I'll being scoring nil points
delicate moss
This event blows tribbles
midnight tulip
Isn't it scaled to the players level? All of us regardless their level have to earn 12,5 Mio points. Just bullshit in low levels...
vagrant topaz
scaled to current faction rep level
astral galleon
Really? I need to hit this in 24 hrs? LOL
vagrant topaz
Do you want your 150 faction rep or not?
delicate moss
Problem is that I am currently Feds.... trying to build up my Klingon to positive to be able to earn dailies and build Klingon faction ships. With this event because the only option I have is feds sets me back..... not doing it.... take away the negative impact on other factions ....
astral galleon
Forget Klingon. With all the mayflowers running around, go romulan. klingon ships are practically worthless because of the crazy imbalance.
vagrant topaz
In generale event is not worth doing. I gain more rep killing hostiles at lower RSS cost
delicate moss
I am so far in the hole with Romulan ... Klingons is my only option.... trust me I would . I am over a million in feds at the moment and negetive 230k Klingon.... rom is negetive 800k
brave hazel
Give us events with resources for rewards!
vagrant topaz
They do. It's under the "offers" tab. The event runs 24/7.
dusky tapir
😂
vagrant topaz
It's the only thing in the game that isn't bugged.
ebon canyon
@prime gulch this event kills to much rep from your secondary faction. Am working on getting up to 500k fed rep. But I don’t want to get hostile with romulan in the proses. So this event is nothing I will do again.
delicate moss
And that event works flawlessly... devs got that shit right
thick raven
Just some faction points .... and very few as well .... at a certain level 2000 faction points don‘t do shit
halcyon crater
The requirements for each teir are ridiculous and the rewards arent worth burning that much materials or speed ups.
wild turtle
It's not so hard to get with normal upgrades and repairs.
I burn those materials anyways. 😂
placid bear
well, if you're in an alliance, dumping 500k dilithium into alliance points will max your event at 12.5mil for level 27 player.
but yeah, the rewards are lacking
wild turtle
Alliance donations also count. 😉
ripe estuary
the event is ridiculous again: 25 million steel for 25k factions points 🙄👎
odd dock
worst . event . ever
fringe field
Click on the “Join Now” button to participate.
Scoring points
Spend 1 Parsteel | 1 point
Spend 1 Tritanium | 5 points
Spend 1 Dilithium | 25 points
Spend 1 Latinum | 100 points
It would be nice if we could plan..
I spent 9M steel upgrading my buildings this morning..
astral galleon
@prime gulch Add 1000, uncommon refined g3 Crystal, 1000 uncommon refined g3 ore and 1000 uncommon refined g3 gas and it might be worth it.
fringe field
And seriously 12.5M points for 150 credits if I choose Romulan..
30M points for 160 credits if I choose Klingon..
10 credit different between loyalty level
delicate moss
I thinks hilarious that we are starving for grinding events, because we are so resource starved.
Please let me spend 72 hours killing no s, so I can get enough g3 UC to upgrade one tenth of my mayflowers phaser cannon.
*NPC
open urchin
I’m ashamed of myself for clicking ‘JOIN’ on this stupid event!
cyan crane
I understand that the March pack was meant to be for the previous event but it was called a March pack so?why is it not available through to the end of March? Just curious...I have the money to spend now but it is gone and not spending it now
wet vale
Top reward tier for me is 12.5m points. So about 10 building upgrades, or 10k latinum spent PER DAY. Are you frickin insane? All of that for reputation which has already got me 2 impossible to complete faction dailies, as I can't kill lvl29 faction.
Apologies, not 10k latinum, 125k latinum.
Which according to my store page, sells for 2000 latinum per £92.99 = ~£6000 per day if i wanted to hit top tier on the rewards. Think you guys need to buy a new calculator with all your profits!
halcyon crater
For lvl 20 teir its 150 rep for 600k points first teir. I can get more rep for grinding faction ships and spend 1/10 or less of the resources. Plus spend less time and get resources to repair.
upper orchid
This faction gain daily is downright impossible good work on the math🤑
obtuse urchin
@wet vale my top lvl is 12.5M too. Only need to do 1 building (shipyard 29) to get more than that.
vale tangle
I completed the fed and rom daily in 2 hours. Upgraded defense turrets twice, plus 2 research. Needed 7.5 million points per faction. There were 2 or 3 ship repairs in there as well. Cost 400 or so lat, plus speedups I would have used anyway. It seemed.... very doable, at least at 25.
placid bear
overall most of the events are bad, at lvl 27, most of them still give grade 2 uncommons which are irrelevant to me at that point.
wet vale
@obtuse urchin At lvl24 it takes a lot more building to get 12.5m. Disregarding the buildings that i need g3 mats to upgrade, was just pointing out how insane the latinum costs are.
vagrant topaz
Dont forget to help your fellow players in current event. Blow up their ship so they can hit that repair button to gain points. I’m doing my part. Are you??
opal geyser
Really? Never going to hit 900k in 24hrs without spending loads of money. Another event where no thought other then how much can we earn from people was put into it. Rewards for the effort isn't great as well. Please please please start asking players about events before putting them out you might actually get the right balance and players won't be complaining about them
placid bear
don't use latinum. use dilithium
300k dilithium and you will max event
it's not the amounts that suck so much, it's the rewards
if all you do is mine all day and don't do any base raids, yeah it will suck moreso for some
open ore
Rewards on this are meh
Top tier is 130 creds. Less than one daily. 43k Klingon faction doesn’t move the needle significantly when you need 10M
But that just makes it easier to opt out of participating. See you next event.
2.2M dilithium or 550k lat (lol)
hybrid schooner
🤣🤣🤣
opal geyser
@placid bear 300k dil? I'd love to have 100k. I'm level 19 so most bases are out of my reach. Well the ones that would be able to give me that amount
hasty hemlock
10 bases with 10k dil :)
Ship repairs are the way to this event, raid bases, grind hostiles, whatever, just do things that you would normally do, repair your ships. It adds up
opal geyser
All the res in my server are with the big spenders. All the bases that I could hit don't have enough to cover my repair cost let alone help towards the event I will run out of res before I hit 500k my points are from donating parasteel to my alliance that's all I can do
hasty hemlock
what level areyou @opal geyser
opal geyser
@hasty hemlock level 19.
hasty hemlock
grab your talla and hit boslic slave traders for trit, repairs will go a long way and you will be trit positive
grab your phindra and hit packlets/sonas for dil, same deal
blazing owl
They are making events pointless... I remember when the rewards from events were awesome and now they are horrible
boreal canyon
i found the event super easy and helpful...probably going to be able to unlock nero after a few days of this due to all the tokens...so...thanks 🙂
tidal raptor
1.2M dilithium to complete event if you are consort, 2.2M dilithium to complete the event if you are associate. Just donate to your alliance if you dont want to waste the uncommon RSS for upgrades or if you're maxed and saving for ops or ships.
open ore
No thanks, I get more faction points for fed and Klingon by killing rom. Total credits are less than what I get from dailies. I’ll save my rss and skip the loss of fed faction.
They just need a better content team capable of making events, and stop wasting time with these pointless purchase challenges that don’t even provide enough incentive to participate.
vagrant topaz
That would require good devs
vagrant topaz
Heck one research i was doing any ways and it was finished
opal geyser
@hasty hemlock or go to a level 10 and use your t1 battleship and no negative repair costs but doesn't help towards getting enough for this event it's pointless
vagrant topaz
I've already lost more rep from bugged dailies than I will earn from this event.
charred cargo
This is what i recieved from support about top 50 reward, it's a joke because this was the reward for completing the event, nothing to do with the top 50 which i was first and held onto that by killing long after recieving this reward. Just crazy.
topaz sphinx
Ooh event alliance gold. #spoilers
Do you have any alliance gold in your inventory?
If not, screenshot that stuff as well cuz that's be an easy way to show you didn't get it
charred cargo
no i got those advocate, those are the alliance trophys, you get 2 then 4 then 6 as you complete the event
i could have completed the event and recieved those rewards without being in the top 50 or first like i was, and you can get those rewards multiple times because it reset several times over 4 days, so got plenty of those trophys
Thats what makes supports response so laughable, they are saying i recieved the top 50 reward but referencing a reward anyone gets who does the event no matter where they place
wheat dagger
charred cargo
imzadi have you started doing the missions in faction space yet, federation, klingon or romulan?
topaz sphinx
Does q2 still moderate? Haven't seen him in a while since the JB switcheroo
pseudo glen
Why moderate when the company keeps pushing out buggy product after buggy product, nothing gets fixed but they make each release worse than the last one.
jagged cypress
@prime gulch um Faction daily increases 10X in points? what is up with that
ivory current
Tomorrow, spend 125m resources...no thanks. I can get more faction points in regular PVE.
blazing owl
They increased our point requirements and lowered what we get as rewards... wth scopely... you are really messing up events and causing players to not even want to waste time doing them
This is a money grab...
ivory current
Not for me...not much to gain in this week long snooze fest
blazing owl
The rewards are so low no point using rss and speeds to get them
I get more from dailies and hitting hostiles in a few hours
jagged cypress
took an event with possibilities and shut it down on day 2
blazing owl
Yep
ivory current
Agree
vagrant topaz
Good week to tier up those ships since you don't have to worry about missing out on an event.
languid anvil
You can finish this event In less than 1min
vagrant topaz
Sure, if you already have the rss banked and can spend them fast enough... I don't. So I have to grind it out if I want to finish. But the rewards aren't worth it. So... good week to tier up ships...
blazing owl
Maybe if you are in top alliances sitting on tons of rss and lat. not all of us are that lucky
old shard
Anyone unable to access event?
whole merlin
Yes, me if you mean the faction event. Others in my alliance can access it, not me and not a few others in my alliance ...
old shard
I wonder why? Been on for two days, get the notifications, just not the event, hmpff
terse thistle
me either
cobalt bison
Why in the hell did you rebalance this event, to make it literally 10x harder?! Yesterdays event only required 2.5M points. Fucking rediculous. 👎
ALRIGHT, maybe 5x harder. Still just as pissed, and just as impractical to complete, at L24 anyways.
obtuse urchin
just upgraded vahklas cargo bay - cost 5M trit. event done. @cobalt bison
hasty hemlock
Been doing my standard pattern of base raiding and faction grinding, easy complete with repairs yesterday, 12.5m needed
tidal raptor
@cobalt bison did you level up in rep? Because the difficulty ofnthe event is based on your rep level. I'm associate in Klingon so mine is 55M and my fed is just before the halfway through constort mark so its 30M to complete
sterile flint
I take it rewards are different as well ?
topaz sphinx
Yup
hasty hemlock
15k fed recruit tokens is the difference, too lazy to math it out right now
lament ridge
Yeah but trade off for ultra/premium so it seems more 1:1
Vs any kind of better deal
hasty hemlock
yea, if your trying to target specifically enterprise crew its better
but if you just need to level officers in general
lament ridge
Other than that might be worse
vagrant topaz
Doesn't make sense for me. But I suppose for others. Once I get Nero the credits needed to promote him simply wouldn't be there
hasty hemlock
yea, I dont have the offer but at my current state of the game id probably rather the standard pack lol
hasty hemlock
probably 26, or 2m rep
lament ridge
My standard is 3750 I’m 27 and 700k
lament ridge
Yeah
hasty hemlock
now what i will say, a similar pack to the special for reps you arent friendly with would be interesting
since klings hate me, i cant actually use the credits to target their officers
so buying the recruit tokens directly would bypass that
barren shore
I've seen tokens and shards dropped by their faction
elder trellis
Leave it to Scopely to screw over F2P players yet again. Real awesome job making the faction daily event 10 times harder the second day, so us F2P players cannot complete it. Hell, I am still stuck trying to get enough 2* uncommon Crystal from my refinery so I can upgrade my shipyard to level 19. No way for me to make 400k+ points just repairing my ships. Thanks for making me realize I have wasted my time playing this game. Now to let everyone on Facebook and Twitter know this is not a game they want to try out.
supple coyote
lol why do F2P players cry so much? its not as if you are making money for the company.
most of the daily events for me havent been doable for months
you get like 6 hours to get a few million points on station upgrades, the shortest station upgrade for me is about 10 hours
the average is 2 days
elder trellis
Bitch, I am not crying.
It is a legitimate complaint. I have played games that appreciate all players, including F2P.
Scopely on the other hand, sucks ass at appreciating all players, but especially F2P players.
vagrant topaz
F2p make the company money. Without easy prey the whales would quickly lose interest and leave, taking their money with them.
delicate moss
👆
Calling someone a bitch in the same sentence as saying I am not crying, is ironic
hasty hemlock
@elder trellis if your faction event got harder it's because your on a new teir of faction rep
supple coyote
@vagrant topaz you would be surprised at how dumb some p2w can be, spend like mad then forget to shield up only to have all their rss gone when they log back in. had one guy cry that he had just spent 415 euros just hours earlier.
still though his loot was real nice.
but i get a lot of f2p crying when they get raided. do they think cos they dont spend that they should be given a special no hit status???? its a combat game. shield up if you dont want to lose your rss
opal geyser
@supple coyote I think the main problem F2P players have is the fact it's levels 26-27 hitting level 19s the F2P players are asking for a lot more balance in the game. Working on the fact level 27s can hit level 19s who's bases are weaker then their weakest ship most of the time a level 19 should be able to hit a level 11 it's the same difference in level so should be the same level.
supple coyote
@opal geyser i do agree with the power level being way off but until they change that its gonna happen. its the same for lvl 24/25 players getting hit by lvl 31/32 players
also hitting lvl 28+ players is very tough as they have 4 ships and 4 defence turrets
elder trellis
@hasty hemlock My faction rep is still not at neighborly. If it would have went up a tier I would have maybe expected an increase in difficulty. But the amount of points for each tier went up from day one to day 2. Tier one was 42k first day and 420k on the second. That is 10 times as much, thus me saying they made it 10 times more difficult.
opal geyser
@elder trellis lucky you mate I've got to get 900k at friendly
supple coyote
same for me 900k for first tier
opal geyser
@supple coyote I get that but a 22-23 player can defend better then a 19 who is strongest ship could be a 23k tella
open otter
Welcome to the grind 😊
supple coyote
lol not really. those faction ships are huge power
elder trellis
I have no way to earn that. At least when it was 42k for tier 1 I could manage that.
supple coyote
and a lvl 28+ can hit you with 4 ships, and those horizons will clear you out so much faster than envoys will
elder trellis
Just think it was a dick move on the companies part for making the event harder.
open otter
And how is it not a grind? You've got to earn the equivalent of at least 37,500 latinum for the d3 class, it's probably the same with the uss mayflower, and legionair
opal geyser
@supple coyote now picture that factionship going into a level 19 base
opal geyser
Level 26 can have the faction ship and can hit level 19s
open otter
Dusty, you have to be a level 26 for it, idk the lowest level a 26 can attack, but he'll wreck them with any of the 3 first faction shipd
"ships"
opal geyser
Lowest a 26 can hit is a 19
supple coyote
26 lowest is 19
but at 26 you can just about get a faction ship but it would not be that much upgraded
open otter
Dang, that'll suck I'm gonna guess that the faction ships will have at least 200k at max tier
opal geyser
@open otter I've seen some at level 26 at 500k
open otter
Lifelong, It depends on whether they choose to stay lvl 26 or not
opal geyser
They can go to level 27 and still hit 19s as well
open otter
I've seen a level 7 mining tier 3 rss, in my server and nobody can hit him because he's too low of a level
supple coyote
lol we are recruiting a low level player for that purpose haha
open otter
And he's been mining for at least 3 weeks by now, he'll probably have at least
150k of each of them by now
supple coyote
does he not know you need ops20 to refine it
open otter
I think he knows, it's the fact that he's not leveling up at all that suggests to me that he knows what he's doing
supple coyote
he aint leveling up because he is mining g3 instead of g2 that he needs to level up haha
opal geyser
@supple coyote I'm not going to level 20 yet and mining the res so I have a nice supply to be able to refine when I do level up
supple coyote
you do realise at 20 you can only refine 1750 every 10 hours?
open otter
You don't need any g2 rss to level up until level 15 (operations) the refinery is unlocked at level 8
opal geyser
Yeah I know but if I get a nice big amount now don't need to worry about mining it later
open otter
And it's 9 hours
supple coyote
10hours for me
opal geyser
@open otter 10hrs on my server
supple coyote
beyond are you on a founders server?
open otter
I wish refining times were lowered, or the amount given was drastically increased
Idk
supple coyote
do you have 3x of each refine slots for g3 / g2
open otter
Some people said they've been playing since day 1
supple coyote
as in 3x 1750 3x 12k 3x 75k for each type
open otter
I'm level 16 right now, started playing 1 month ago
supple coyote
if you have your on the founders server
opal geyser
@open otter
olive prism
@ornate trellis Switching servers!
dusky tapir
i would love to have some exchange between commons / uncommons / rares
green quartz
@prime gulch not another goddamn mining event
glacial harbor
When are we going to get a power destroyed or Resources raided event. <@&509690795536941056>
vagrant topaz
Or at least pair it with a Northstar purchase event....
@prime gulch @ornate trellis this shit is why you’re probably getting BLASTED in that survey that just went out. EVERYTHING the devs put out for this game is tailored only to the benefit of your biggest spenders at the direct expense of the gaming experience of the rest of us
kindred aurora
Another mining event with no North Star blueprints (last was January), that's almost unachievable for me if I ever want to sleep and that will make G3 nodes completely unholdable for 3 days.
hidden geyser
Another tedious mining event.
Scopely do you guys ever come up with anoriginal idea ?
seems not
vagrant topaz
I’m stuck behind the refinery wall trying to lvl up... and now you’ve made that grind 10x harder as I’ll have to fight and repair and die infinitely more times than I already have to while the whales fight over nodes. And forget my mining faction dailies...
abstract wasp
How do you expect us to compete on a mining event when half the 3* nodes are dead? Putting the cart before the horse!
clever dawn
This event was sorely needed, finally we get some resources! There is a lot to complain but please do not complain about something that is actually good!
open ore
Fuck this stupid mining simulator
vagrant topaz
I guess we all need it for different reasons... for me it’ll be 3 days under shield deciding if this BS game is still worth my time since the devs obviously only give a crap about the big spenders...
languid mesa
I like that if I complete all the tiers of the solo mining event I still can’t build anything
vagrant topaz
Yeah... the fact that the event prizes give me absolutely NOTHING I actually need right now is just AWESOME....
clever dawn
Dude they give a lot of mats of any type so do you prefer events where you are trading one material for another like the hostile hunt of last week, or a buy reputation with money event of this week?
vagrant topaz
I’d prefer if event rewards and tiers were better planned... what’s the point of an event where the prizes don’t help? This one is no different to me than the rest you mentioned. Except the mining I need to do in order to get what I actually need is gonna be all but impossible for the next few days while the whales bogart the mines...
placid bear
yeah, getting G2 uncommons for lvls 24+ is rather useless
vagrant topaz
And ditto for getting 3* stuff at 19 and under
Another miner event? Fuck you. No purchases for a month
tidal raptor
I dont care about tokens, I care about uncommon RSS, this is useless for a solo portion event
vagrant topaz
Nice again a f...king mine event... let them fix the bugs first and than create real events ! 😡😡
glacial harbor
The rewards aren't worth fighting for. Give 1mil refined ore/gas/crystal etc... lets play for something substantial
vagrant topaz
Was going to buy repair speed, but wobt now. No point. Events are no fun and game has insane graphic problems on iPad Pro 3.
Every player with normal miners do not make a change against the p2w players with there overpowered miners.... a waste of time and effort... just gold digging for scopely...
Now we can’t do the daylies without getting killed 4 or 5 times... THANK YOU FOR THIS NICE EVENT.... 💩
I really don’t know why we bother expressing these thoughts anyway... they never listen
wet vale
Yet another mining event with rewards for the top 10 alliances only, with broken mining nodes and less g3 nodes than there are high level players that can sit on them 24/7. Please give whoever thought up this event a swift kick in the lovespuds from me.
topaz sphinx
Last mining event was 4d, could we keep that as the standard? 3d is gonna be toight for 2mil points
open otter
I've got a miner on a zero node right now, I started mining when it had 8.5k, and it's with the fortunate my miners are always destroyed at 3k, is this a miracle, I start mining ore, mining event starts and I don't get attacked
olive parrot
True be told it’s not fare to anyone in the game that you put EVERY player in the same event rankings based on power or level would be better. There is no way a lvl 20 is going to be able to compete against a lvl 39 when it comes to mining unfair advantages make events pointless
topaz sphinx
@olive parrot this has been brought up as a suggestion! https://stfc.key2peace.org/view.php?id=110 😄
glossy whale
Not to be a prickly pear and I am sure it had been brought up, but fixing the dead mining node problem before a big mining event would have been nice.
vagrant topaz
Lol. They are NEVER going to fix the mining bug problem. If they could they would. Tbh it is getting very dull hearing about the same bug over and over. As for mining event, cant get on any 3* mine, so i have to mine 1.1m 2* in 2 days to get the solo event..... who even comes up with these numbers? I will literally mine all week non stop with 3 envoys to hit that.... and that is if i never get hit.
The game is heavily skewed in the early adopters favour. Its a royal shame
vagrant topaz
Think I'll pass on this one
vagrant topaz
No explorer or interceptor parts in yours too @vagrant topaz ?
It provides those parts. But outside of the surveyor parts it's a inferior package
I was hoping it'd be like 500 crystal so I could upgrade antares
dusky tapir
looks like no mod-bonus this time 😄
vagrant topaz
At least it’s not as bad as the Latinum pack
kindred aurora
Just seen the bonus refining for the event! Very welcome!
vagrant topaz
Is the refinery upgrade permanent or temporary???
topaz sphinx
Temporary (maybe occasionally?)
glossy whale
This mining event opens new opinions make sure you take advantage of them
languid mesa
I feel like they don’t know what the word ultimate means
vagrant topaz
@vagrant topaz it seems that most of the good things are temporary.
astral galleon
@ornate trellis @prime gulch I like that you guys can temporarily make the refinery useful for just this event only, but by god maths are so hard that you can't fix the normal refinery to where we can get the needed uncommon and rare G3 resources? And that you have to play with the math to get it right? Seriously. cmon! \
neat flax
Fix the mining nodes before a mining event! Hello!!!???
olive parrot
Ya know I’m starting to realize you guys really have no freaking clue what your doing if you paying attention to our feedback why are you guys not fixing problems. It’s completely impossible for most to even get on any nodes I’ve honestly given up on this event it’s just sad my experience of this game is being ruined because the developers don’t see problems the way most average players see problems. Every single day you have more players and more people reaching lvl 20 which requires tier 3 materials but keeping the same number of nodes WITHOUT FIXING THE BROKEN ONES . You guys managing everything obviously don’t care as you probably play the game get FREE Latium and do as you please absolutely ridiculous
astral galleon
@olive parrot Yeah it's like patching is only to set up the next event, not really fix anything.