on our server we mostly see 4 to 6 languages
#💬-general-feedback
nova sierra
@solemn coral given the severity of the comments and level of abuse/harassment and bullying I would hope so. Also, the failure of Scopely to act and @potent cipher and @delicate sentinel is as bad as the comments themselves.
limber sparrow
Ops27, refinery26: 6x double refines in a row and not a single uncommon... getting closer to giving up completely on mining... and on this game in general
calm root
Wow that's unlucky
nova sierra
Don't get me wrong @solemn coral, I'm appreciative of @potent cipher and @delicate sentinel doing what they can, but someone has to take responsibility for this and put it to an end.
potent cipher
sorry, missed the plot here? what?
solemn coral
bad language on ingame chat that seriously needs to get dealth with
@potent cipher see 10:40 GMT
nova sierra
Bad language being an understatement. Read my post above @potent cipher
solemn coral
@nova sierra hence why I added seriously 😉
nova sierra
Thanks @solemn coral, I appreciate you assistance.
potent cipher
right
there's obviously no dark magic recipe that can be applied to fight against these, as it's player generated content, out of our direct control, but couple things:
we do acknoledge this to be an area to improve on
currently, the game offers the ability to block any player not to see his input
- make use of the Block feature provided in game
solemn coral
voluntary in game mods chosen by the players would be a good one
potent cipher
- Esacalate any case that required further attention to iur game support (they look into each case, and apply any "punitive" action that may be required, from temp to perm chat bans, even account ban for the most extreme cases)
- we have recently rolled out a automated chat moderation in one of our other games. This is currently being tweaked, and will be very likely ported over STFC later this spring/summer
hopethis helps
nova sierra
@potent cipher I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Would you be willing to discuss this matter in direct messages?
potent cipher
i do not handle these directly and would advise to approach our support to expand on those (ie 2)) thanks!
nova sierra
That is disappointing.
solemn coral
@potent cipher an issue with reports is, they take long to process, except for one player, I did ingame report 6 spambots, months ago, only 2 got deleted after like a month
potent cipher
@nova sierra I cannot fight ALL battles, sorry to disappoint mate.
nova sierra
Since if you had actually read the message I posted I have said that I have already brought this to the attention of support who have taken no apparent action.
solemn coral
all on my blocklist, 2 with a fake playername of ' ADMIN' (note the spaces) still exist
potent cipher
(I'd insist once more with them, providing more materials/proof of bad behaviour - thanks)
ADMIN / fale salesly message etc = will be tackled by said auto chat moderation tool to come
solemn coral
that playername shouldn't even be allowed
potent cipher
one of the main use case of it, on top of ficghting bad player behaviour
nova sierra
I find your message not being able to fight ALL battles highly offensive and extremely dismissive.
I did not wish to pick a fight with you in public hence requesting a direct message
potent cipher
i'm truly sorry to hear you feel this way, it wasn't the intent. Just trying to let you know that i'm only human 😦
it's getting chilly out here ^^
inner plaza
😁
inner plaza
u r
solemn coral
bite my shiny metal ass 😃
nova sierra
I'm not talking about someone being a little bit rude, did you read the vile example of the vile message on our server? @potent cipher
Furthermore, the abuse and harassment extends beyond chat messages where players change their in game tags designed to target and bully other players on a personal level.
inner plaza
@potent cipher yea did yuo read it?
solemn coral
@nova sierra may I ask your age ? doesn't need to be exact
solemn coral
just to get a sense of how you think, might sound strange
inner plaza
nice offense robot
solemn coral
no, different age ranges respond differently to content
it's not an offense, it's a fact
nova sierra
I would have hoped that as you are a human @potent cipher as you say you are I could elicit some compassion in order to have the matter resolved, as taking the actions you have detailed has done nothing.
inner plaza
working as a CM for more than 2 days will eradicate every compassion for players you ever had
solemn coral
@nova sierra you could send @potent cipher your playerid in dm, so he could get in touch with certain ppl to look at the history of your tickets
nova sierra
Could he? He didn't offer this as a solution and refused to enter into dm with me.
solemn coral
you are getting slow @inner plaza , need some oil ?
inner plaza
ahaha
olive oil pls
Cap he simply can't hold everyones hand, there are thousands of offensive idiots in this game
solemn coral
throws @inner plaza into a barrel of olive oil and dumps him in the ocean
inner plaza
message support like he told you to and insist on whatever you wanna insist on
duuude! obey the first robot law!!!
nova sierra
@inner plaza I understand this, but this doesn't relinquish them of their responsibilities. Again, if you had read my message you would know that I have reported to support and nothing has changed. Hence why there should be a mehod to escalate this, or at least understand why no action has been taken.
deft patio
@potent cipher are we getting an event as there is no announcement as yet
inner plaza
@nova sierra what responsibilities are you talking about here?
solemn coral
@inner plaza asimov can vacuum my shiny metal rod
inner plaza
freakin robots going crazy
nova sierra
The responsibility they profess they have in relation to their terms of service. The players in question have clearly breached the Scopely ToS yet no action has been taken and these players are still free to continue their harassment, homophoic remarks and bullying.
Not to mention the moral responsibility they have to protect players in their game against suchabuse.
inner plaza
so where in their terms does it say you are going to get a friendly chat environment?
swift quest
@solar pulsar lol but I didn't mention Google
nova sierra
Under their restrictions section
tough beacon
We still on this topic🙄
solar pulsar
I love it when people take a legit gripe too far by citing a nonexistent application of law
My favorite so far to date was the attempt to apply the Minnesota vehicle@lemon law to refunds in game
nova sierra
@inner plaza Engage in unlawful, abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory, libelous, harassing, hateful, violent, racist, or otherwise objectionable or offensive acts, whether by posting and/or transmitting such information through our Services, or by any other means (e.g., by posting links to such content).
Engage in acts or attempts to abuse, threaten, harm, harass, or advocate or incite harassment and/or violence towards another person, group, our employee(s) or our Services, or engage in any acts in violation of other publicly posted Scopely policies (e.g. forum rules).
tough beacon
I think we need to order some backbones from Amazon. 2 day shipping with Prime membership.
inner plaza
@nova sierra its their choice how to punish such behaviour
as i have linked above, they are not obliged to ban him from chat or anything
wheat oak
Depends which jurisdiction it falls under - those things are illegal in many countries, independant of any ToS
nova sierra
@inner plaza I agree - All I'm looking for is their comment on why this level of abusive behaviour doesn't get someone banned. As support won't I'm merely looking to engage with them in a dialog about the matter to better understand their position of inaction.
solar pulsar
Illegal? What mean words?
wheat oak
Yes
nova sierra
Thanks @wheat oak
solemn coral
Engage in acts or attempts to abuse, threaten, harm, harass, or advocate or incite harassment and/or violence towards another person, group, our employee(s) or our Services, or engage in any acts in violation of other publicly posted Scopely policies (e.g. forum rules).
inner plaza
@nova sierra because support suxx, there is no rational reason
solemn coral
see restrictions
wheat oak
USA and most of Western Europe. Where do you live @solar pulsar
solar pulsar
However a lot of angry posters here would be guilty of libel
tough beacon
When people say meaning words to me... I go to my safe space where the they provide me puppies and kittens so I can pet them and smell their breath so it calms me down.
solar pulsar
USA
wheat oak
So you guys are WASPs or just grew a thick skin over time, yes?
solar pulsar
Wasp?
solar pulsar
Not that race or religion has anything to do with actual freedom of speech
wheat oak
True 'nuff. Depends howw the freedom is exercised indeed
tough beacon
What is the WASP have to do with having thin skin. That does not make any sense
Actually that is the most racist thing I have heard today...
solar pulsar
That being said- the 1st amendment has nothing to do with a game chat
wheat oak
Means you ain't often subjected to the kind of abuse which the ToS is aimed at
solar pulsar
Oh so your opinion is only valid if you have received harassment?
wheat oak
Don't follow, sorry
solar pulsar
Tell me more of your different classes of culture
tough beacon
1st amendment is based on government infringing on the rights of free speech ... has zero to do about this chat and people saying mean things.
There is a potential for civil liability tied to slander or misrepresentation which causes personal harm.
That being said put your big girl/boy pants on and either ignore people or block them. This is why our children have zero chance of navigating any type of adversity. Come on people what will happen to you when you have real problems in life to deal with. Not just mean words.
bitter wagon
So @delicate sentinel does this update do anything other than the Officer mining abilities?
deft patio
@delicate sentinel are we getting an event?
torpid current
Please hand out 1 hour shields as part of the daily rewards.
copper girder
@delicate sentinel bracket in solo event are mental, as level 28 you need to kill 160 lvl 32 to complete with 300k mayflower it takes one repair each 3 hostiles at 60k trit and 30 lat, totaling 3M+ trit and 1500+ lat
carmine jay
inner plaza
@delicate sentinel u like your new job?
this is so freakin frustrating... u getting so much good feedback and ideas here and then we have to see.. THIS
lilac olive
Schämt euch für Event von 500 auf 5000 das ist unter aller sau
inner plaza
just highly incompetent again and again and again
and we are trying and trying and trying
smth really needs to change drastically
solemn coral
I hate this event
40% of our hostiles are already stuck due to the last time it got launched
for almost 2 months
copper girder
I am already down half a million Trit and still not even half way to second reward....
winged glen
Maybe one of the devs is the spoon murderer and now he found his new spoon and more targets
dreamy pilot
Solo events waste of time for effort vs prizes
odd python
yeah I just used up all my trit for repairs. The pay off isn't worth it for the solo event. The ratio for repairs vs rewards is very off balance.
pure sage
General Feedback - ok...
Double up the vault protection limits before the research ability.
Double up RSS generation - at the very least.
Triple up RSS storage limits.
At LVL 23 the amount of PTD that you require for upgrades is getting ridiculous for what you can generate and mine.
copper girder
With a 300k mayflower at level 28 I was able to only complete half of the event and spent about 2M trit and 600 lat, the rewards are nowhere worth it and spending another 2 hours killing hostiles is neither.
By half I mean all but last reward
At 1800/3200
pseudo dagger
This game is trash... the rewards stink.. for the event .. going on several days with no uncommon ore.. at the refinery.. I've been harvesting trit to keep Balance with repairs...
crystal marten
I was enjoying the game until today.
languid bison
<@&509690795536941056> while the community is asking for some relief on the terrible (criminally stupid) rates for uncommon g3 mats, what do you do? You dramatically reduce the amount of uncommon g3 mats we get from the same stupid event you keep shoving down our throats.
sage shuttle
the event for me is pointless it costs more to repair the ships than its worth
when you have to hit 28 or higher there is no point
also i need to hit 5000 points at lvl 24
to max the event
im seeing players higher than me only needing 1000 points to max it
languid bison
These game designers are either terribly disconnected from their own game or they aren’t game designers at all, they’re just used car salespeople who learned how to code.
jade plover
LMAO, the event is really pointless when your ship hangs up in warp half the time and upon rebooting the game is destroyed
finite wolf
@delicate sentinel something should be done about people destroying all mining ships going from system to system. The cost to repair envoys are too high to bother mining. My envoy cost 22k tri and 3k dil. I understand it's a pvp game but when my resources are under protective cargo limit and I'm spending 25k in resources to repair. Can we have the mining ships repaire cost lowered or boot people that only want to grief other players.
nova sierra
@finite wolf need us to call a waaaaaaaaambulance?
finite wolf
Not trying to whine but when someone clears most of the systems without repairing using a 300k ship hitting my 30k envoy it’s crazy. I shouldn’t have to park my envoys and mine with ecs
nova sierra
there are many aspects that need rework/improving or downright implemented, this is not one of them. By constantly killing a player's miners you stifle his growth, which, if you didn't know, is a good thing in a pew-pew game....not good for the stifled, but, hey....
copper girder
Except if everyone do it, there is no mining, no progression and everyone is frustrated
It can only work if you have 1 big alliance dominating the server
We have an agreement on our server that everyone respects to not attack survey ships with no unprotected cargo and it helps everyone
We also have a discord channel with over 15 alliances representatives to discuss these matters in transparency
nova sierra
Well...we have no such pussgreements, and people do progress! Our server must be broken 😂
hushed swift
🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
nova sierra
We tried it...but after thr nth "waaaa...ur player killed my minerrrrr...waaaa" i got pissed
And i found the perfect way to stop it...whenever a player complains to me about his miner getting killed, i take out my ship, and hunt for every miner belonging to thay player's alliance
And, waddaya know...the complaints stoped!
Everyone is happy!
Speaking of which @potent cipher, you think that punnitive measures for unruly alliance players is a thing that will be implemented? 😁
nova sierra
@scarlet karma well that's what happens when people pay...they get things
scarlet karma
Well then they screwed that up to
copper girder
@nova sierra yeah I bet you progress, because no one dares attack your miners for fear of retribution, I wonder how is that working for all the midrange players that feed your belly through base raids.
Also you disqualified yourself at “pussgrement”. Hell of an argument 🤦
ebon island
Think someone is slightly angry @grand oriole
nova sierra
@copper girder how come every player that gets his ass kicked, becomes a socialist&communist???
It's the point of the game! You and others like you are whining that a pew-pew game revolves around pew-pewing!
You don't see the stupidity in that??? Do you have a Marx bust in ur bedroom?
@copper girder also, it actually is an argument. A "pussgreement" is an agreement made by two or more people that are unable to play the game as it is supposed to be played.
twilit iris
The pew pewing is absolutely part of the game. I see the point about mid and low level players suffering but without the PVP there isn't really a game to be played. An interesting way this could be looked at is putting a restriction on having the top players in the same alliance (like an NFL salary cap of sorts). Might not work in practice but could maybe be tweaked to fit
copper girder
@nova sierra there is absolutely nothing to gain in the large scale of things from killing empty miners, nothing, zero, zip. The only effect it has is to slow everyone down. There is a lot of pvp outside that. But apparently your arguments have to rely on name calling and bullying, instead of logic. Also for your info, I am not whining and I well able to and willing to pvp. I am though concerned about our server losing players. It’s not fun to pvp when half of the bases are abandoned.
@twilit iris we have a lot of discussion about this on our alliance and on our server, we need to find a solution for raiding to be fun and unburdened by rules, and st the same time retain the level 19-21 who are quitting because of becoming targets of 400k ships, which together with the notification and shield glitches is causing a lot of ragequit.
twilit iris
@copper girder it's a real concern and needs to be balanced, Bitterdevil is actually on my server and we used to be part on one super alliance which broke up and now has some cracking fights between each other. The key is for the lower players to be supported by their alliance. Our top players crack a base for the lower players to scoop the rewards.
copper girder
@twilit iris The problem is every time you open a base for looting, and I have done it in my alliance too, there is a high risk that the attacked players just quit. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who just grind through all the uncommon to get to level 20 and next thing he loses 3-4M Steel stifling his progress for days or even weeks. He might have thought that lining up all his warships and having a 150k base was enough to defend not knowing we can pretty much one shot him if he levels up.
I mean how is the fact that a tier 4-5 Saladin can attack a level 20 base fair?
Or a 300k Mayflower a lvl 19 base
nova sierra
@copper girder 1st, you either talk about miners or about power gap...those are entirely two different things. But people like you like to mix them in order to be in the "right"
copper girder
I am talking to James about something different
nova sierra
2nd, if someone quits cause his miners are attacked, than he chose the wrong game and good riddence
copper girder
Or do you have a monopoly on my thoughts?
twilit iris
Sorry I brought up the power side of it in terms of being defended by your alliance
Like I know if my miners get hit repeatedly while empty my alliance will then empty that person's base 😂
nova sierra
@copper girder we were talking about miners and said servers are losing people...now u r saying that u were talkimg to Holden...ummm...problems in following ur own train of thoughts?
copper girder
Focus
nova sierra
😂😂😂
copper girder
Answer the above, leave my discussion with Holden alone
copper girder
O dear
twilit iris
This has escalated quickly 😂
copper girder
I pity your server @twilit iris
nova sierra
It ain't Holden's 😂
twilit iris
Honestly our server is pretty cool....I'm a small fish in a big pond but we have some great wars between alliances
copper girder
@nova sierra still you failed to answer
@twilit iris we had a few wars ourselves and we are raiding bases from other top alliances and it’s fun
It drove also many to quit though
nova sierra
@copper girder simple, stifling one's progress aids you in making sure u can have the advantage
copper girder
@nova sierra until the other does the same and no one can mine
nova sierra
@twilit iris explain to him about Œ 😂😂😂
Maybe his processing works better coming from u 😁
nova sierra
@copper girder honestly...do u think our server has better envoys or something??? You think we got miner bubbles or auto-recall?
twilit iris
@copper girder we found our top group of players got too big on our server so that's why the factions split and we had a rebalance of sorts
copper girder
So you have multiple high level alliances
twilit iris
Yes
copper girder
What’s stoppping one of them from clearing regularly Willenia
twilit iris
Admittedly a weak player on their is screwed.....buts that's the point of alliances
nova sierra
@copper girder i give you 100 tries to figure out who wanted the server to be balanced...
twilit iris
Because if my guys empty a system near BitterDevil you can guarantee I better be bubbled later that day ,😂
nova sierra
Ok...1000
copper girder
You because you did not have target for raiding
I am bubbled 100% of the time
I I wanted I could grief the whole server on my own
And you can’t break my base in the time it takes me to clear 2-3 mining systems
nova sierra
@copper girder well, at least u guessed the person right...can't be expected to do more
copper girder
You just waste repairs
copper girder
You basically have a Cold War between top alliances while everyone else is excluded
twilit iris
But the top guys only tend to grief the other top alliances
copper girder
We just gave it a name and extended it to the rest of the server...
twilit iris
I won't hit an empty miner unless it belongs to of our 'enemies'
copper girder
So there is no difference
nova sierra
@twilit iris that's what most of us do...except Œ
copper girder
When we are at war we hit everything
twilit iris
Oh yeah they are exempted @nova sierra 😂
nova sierra
@copper girder i love making players like u quit
copper girder
Turns out we work in pretty much the same way
nova sierra
It's one of the highlights of the game
copper girder
My base have not been raided ever and I am on the top 10 raiders good luck with that
nova sierra
😂😂😂😂
copper girder
Just because I am willing to be fair doesn’t mean I am stupid
nova sierra
@twilit iris see...his server doesn't have sprites, wolves or kirks...not to mention palps 😂
copper girder
You seem to confuse the two
nova sierra
@copper girder dude...if u were not raided...it means one thing only...u got a bad server
copper girder
No it means I have a lot of shields and I am always careful
nova sierra
@copper girder no...it means u actually can be more than 5 min without shield
That means you have bad players
nova sierra
@copper girder the only way is for u to never attack any players
And to have ur alarm set to when ur shield expires...which is sad!
copper girder
Move base attack to my content, monitor basenin the meantime, reshoeld
No problem
Well I am doing fine thanks, and not asking advice for you, because you seem under the impressions that you are the better player here and we are all sad whiners
copper girder
You fit the description of a keyboard troll, have fun comparing attributes with someone else
nova sierra
Neah...i'm just sick of people blaming others for their own shortcomings
Want miners safe? Make sure that everyone knows what happens if they attack them
But i see tbat's not ur case
misty knot
Just a word from server 129...
I’m mostly unshielded, and yes I have plenty of rss to raid.
I only shield through the night, and there are dozens of players capable to raid me.
My miners mine throughout the night, and I find them undisturbed 9/10 in the morning, often with lots of unprotected cargo in it.
Why I am safe you ask?
Good question - strategic alliances, being in a top 5 order, and utter disproportionate retaliation if anyone hits us.
This game isn’t played by attacking and stealing each other’s rss, but by diplomacy and cooperation. Let the other alliances fight amongst themselves - it’s the long run in which you need to think.
copper girder
@delicate sentinel @nova sierra 😉 Actually I do whine! About this event, the brackets are all over the place I cap at 3200, my mate who is 1 level above me caps at 1000?
@misty knot yeah I guess it’s the same, we just gave it a name
misty knot
We too actually. “Common sense” ;-)
I’d have quit a long time ago if I was in a server which is completely raiding and stealing based.
nova sierra
@potent cipher
cosmic knoll
The game is played how the game allows you to play, diplomacy and retaliations do not promote long run forsight. You just make another person leave your server... You know NO new players are put on your old server, they get put on new servers. That means your server ONLY shrinks everytime you fk someone too greatly (making them quit) ... dont talk about long run.
nova sierra
@delicate sentinel When you have a maintenance window that goes beyond its time limit, do you give little or no thought to updating the players? It really seems like it’s too much to ask that we have reasonable forewarnings and updates.
copper girder
@nova sierra 5 minutes over... chillax
slate grail
Hey guys dose any one know how to pin messages in discord chat ,I have my own
nova sierra
@copper girder 35 minutes over... still chillaxin???
copper girder
I am playing
nova sierra
Good for you bro I’m not
earnest plover
tada...... @potent cipher @delicate sentinel
You are so predictable.....
earnest plover
exactly the shit u did last patch
nova sierra
Hopefully soon... still nothing for our server. However if Jah is right then this maintenance accomplished nothing as well :/
rocky sierra
Well my server is up
Just getting this message every 20 seconds or anytime I press anything
Current image of azha
Cant fault the testing methods when there is no testing at all
rocky sierra
Ive relauched 25 times still not working
Cleeared all game data and restarted and not working
Restarted phone and not working
Uninstalled and reinstalled and not working
copper girder
also time on mine inspect and on hud are not the same
rocky sierra
Sweet game, hope the money Scopely is earning at least wipes employees asses clean because cant really understand what they do with all the funding and money players pour into the game, if its not for wiping their asses with 100 dollar bills
earnest plover
seriously what the fuck do we pay em for - yes it it in the end the same as going to the store and buying a game.
rocky sierra
@earnest plover only the games you pay for WORK
earnest plover
sry but i am pissed. not a shred of effort for the balance
nova sierra
@delicate sentinel @potent cipher when in hell are you guys gonna fix the friggin refinery drop rates???? I haven’t been able to do a damn thing but mine and kill NPCs for over a week because I’m over 100 uncommons short of my shipyard, and I haven’t gotten a single one of said uncommons in days...
My server is still completely down and no doubt will be just as f’ed up as yours. Always good when they break it worse after extensive testing
Maybe we are on the same server, Crush. But hey, at least Panics server is working🤓
bitter wagon
@delicate sentinel please don’t just edit an announcement with new info. Some of us have notifications on for that channel. We won’t notice an edit.
delicate sentinel
will do!
earnest plover
can you tell me wth you have 4 feedback-systems for?
limber sparrow
@delicate sentinel you folks owe me a shield for the last minute push back on maintenance...
nova sierra
@bitter wagon I see how it is, they’ll answer your questions. Maybe I need to get all female and cute 😜😜
earnest plover
well if u count the ups and down in here than its even 5 feedback system
can someone see any upvotes in here? or is it just me...
dry hedge
Patch seems to have broken something. We all keep getting disconnected almost every minute now
@delicate sentinel
calm root
Lol Jah, no but I do see 100 🖕 lol
The qna was funny watching the emojis as they answered qs
nova sierra
is the maintanence still going on?
I think they pushed it back again
It didn’t break enough or cause enough more bugs to force people to spend money, so they had to make it break more
nova sierra
well i still cant log in
You probably didn’t spend enough this month
ok where can i get support
It’s in the settings in game
proud musk
@potent cipher , how come I get the regular march package for 20 euro and some get the elite one for 10. 😒
nova sierra
that helps if you cant loging lol
Well... they call it support, it’s more like “present your issue so we can ignore it, lie that we’re going to fix it, or pretend you’re crazy and laugh while we roll on our piles of money”
You could also try tagging or messaging Panic or JB.Scopely and asking them in here... but if you aren’t a big-spending whale you might as well shout your issue out your window.
flint cairn
in normal games, with such long work, all players are compensated and extend the event time 😡
nova sierra
@potent cipher @delicate sentinel @nova sierra gentlemen, why do we continue to receive server updates in this fashion? I have advocated for future patches to be live tested with real players before release on a separate server to ensure that these situations don’t, or hardly ever happen. This server update, dumped in the middle of an event, has again caused issues as soon as it has gone live. I am struggling to understand why you continue to not learn that this causes players to quit. Can you pls engage with the community to ensure we don’t go through this again
delicate sentinel
Yep we have already talked about this with the team. We're always taking on your feedback on this stuff and the team is always on discord looking at what's going on as well. We understand that this is super frustrating and we apologise for it 😦
nova sierra
Panic, I talked with Q2 about this some months ago, we really need to sort this out. It’s beginning to become frustrating for all players. Can you pls as a matter of urgency try to look at this for the next update
weak adder
@delicate sentinel do you know if there is an eta on the us server updates
sly pulsar
@potent cipher @delicate sentinel What is going on? Why can’t you get your shizzle right? Why the hell are updates not tested before Roll-our? If this happened in my company heads would roll...
Roll-Out!!
nova sierra
Okay I'm just putting this out here I ended up wasting two 8-hour Shields because you're stupid updates an inability to get them done. Perhaps you should automatically give everybody a 24-hour Shield after updates. This would be automatically applied to every Base with a shield lesser than 24 hours
I also highly recommend you get yourself one server to test this crap before you even announced it that way you can test it out and fix it all and you can give him a little bit of crap for the trouble of being guinea pigs and it doesn't hurt to give the rest of us a little something to. Ps you need to really fix your numbers they're too unrealistic
inner plaza
officer mining bonuses should be multiplicative instead of additive, or they are completely USELESS
there is no different between 3000/h or 3100/h
and we are talking about 50% bonus from stonn here
which turns out to be an increase of 3%
nova sierra
Your rewards suck for events the rates for materials suck the rates for mining suck the requirements for buildings in research suck. You do understand like you got ships that give you a hundred of a resource would you have buildings that take like 10 million. And let's just say mining rates of 2 -4K just does not cut it
sleek lynx
@delicate sentinel how about adding the dev team manager to this Discord group or even Javier Ferreira. As managers and leaders of Scopley they should be held accountable to the customers they are reaping huge sums of money from.
solemn coral
@sleek lynx @delicate sentinel has been put in place to shield those from all the offenses they'd expect 😛
sleek lynx
@solemn coral well let’s hope we can hack the shields like in game to drop.
solemn coral
@sleek lynx got $800 million ?
sleek lynx
@solemn coral nope. Why is that how much it takes to get to lvl 50? Lol 😂
solemn coral
no, it's what they claim scopely to be worth
sleek lynx
Doesn’t make any difference. If they were good managers and stewards of their companies. They would be involved and active to the user/consumer level. That’s what defines a leader in my opinion.
solemn coral
it does, the only real solutions are to either massively quit the game,so they do not generate any more income from them until they change, or buy them out and take over control as user collective
sleek lynx
True. I think it needs to be taken to a higher level and maybe push against CBS interactive leadership.
solemn coral
with 125 million players they claim to have, if everyone donates $10, we could do it
sleek lynx
No way that many in this game.
sleek lynx
Exactly
solemn coral
stfc is not the only game they host where people have issues with scopely like with us
sleek lynx
True
solemn coral
twd, walking dead etc
also games that if you look them up, will show you massive amounts of angry players
gaunt osprey
Is there any in-game maintenance notice, or do a bunch of non discord users just get unceremoniously presented with an endless title screen at some point?
sleek lynx
The biggest reason is they are fans of the franchise just like Trek fans. All they want is a great game experience worthy of the fans passion.
solemn coral
there is, but they do not utilize it
they could announce upcoming maintenance like they do with events onstart, but they don't do that yet
whilst it would be the perfect solution to reach every player
sleek lynx
Same with Star Wars or Marvel etc. Just make it work. Make it satisfying, challenging and fun. No one wants to grind out unrealistic tasks over and over again. People will pay over longer periods of time if those criteria are met.
solemn coral
... and the prices being reasonable
sleek lynx
Yes
solemn coral
I mean, look at the packs
sleek lynx
Their bread and butter are the whales now but imagine they cater to the middle of the road spender that is willing to drop $15-25 bucks every month for 3 years. That’s who they need to focus on.
solemn coral
Satchel of Latinum (100 Lat / 1000 par) for €5.49, while offering the research boost pack (250 lat, 15k dili, 2.5k tri, 25k par, bunch of speedups) for the same price
why on earth would anyone buy that satchel if you get way more for a different pack at the same price?
sleek lynx
Where they have set the pay wall up at level 19-22 is where they practically need to open the road.
nova sierra
@inner plaza jep, miner officer are now useless. dont waste xp for them to upgrade.
sleek lynx
Not me. I can’t even warp to a system and guarantee I don’t have to cycle the game when I arrive to mine a node that doesn’t work to refine the raw materials that don’t ever drop.
lavish sedge
Folks that dont have discord are freaking out. I've been posting updates on my servers gc every 30 mins or so.
nova sierra
but i think it was once planned so multiple the bonuses.
thats why the game shows in the old version other value
sleek lynx
I’ve been refining G3 materials for over 2 months and still not had a single rare drop. And less than 100 uncommon of each.
nova sierra
naja, so i can delete the game now. i need hundred ks of tritanium. but the only way is to buy or use miners. but with 2k an hour ...
grinding npcs higher then 22 are useless.
earnest plover
Ladys & gents.... i present you the new fixed Crew buff ... PLEASE take a magnifying glass if u cant see the difference
earnest plover
@delicate sentinel i am out
nova sierra
why? 😉
mossy grail
11AM now, where is the update?????
nova sierra
@inner plaza did you ever do the math? my t6 envoy with trita bonus and 50% bonus from the officer make under 2,5k trita per hour. after 4 hour i need so send it back because of the protected cargo. but if someone kill my ship, i have repiarcosts from over 6k trita ...
nova sierra
and how long doest it work?
inner plaza
as long as other players on the server spend money
nova sierra
but i cant attack them, because they are all stronger and try to farm me 😃
inner plaza
you need to find weaker guys :p
solemn coral
@inner plaza about the stuff in private, haven't seen any bot matching that stuff 😛
inner plaza
@solemn coral ye its kinda individual 😉
nova sierra
it sounds like a ponzy scheme 😉
regal loom
@nova sierra farm pve for trit. Get all you need for low repair costs if you attack low level reds. Use the blue guy as captain for increased trit yields
nova sierra
which are level are you?
regal loom
18 but I’ve done this since 8 or so
nova sierra
ah ok
lets talk about that when you are 22
i need several millions for upgrades for vaklas and kehra
regal loom
Hahaha where repair costs are bajillions I get it
nova sierra
my repair cost scale exponential, the trit on enemy ships linear
inner plaza
@nova sierra it IS a ponzy scheme
nova sierra
even with 45% extra trit, my vaklas get only half of the repair costs
inner plaza
when the only ressource generation in a game is done via purchases, it has to be one
nova sierra
so this doenst work anymore after lev 20
for the event, our leader invest yesterday over 2 mio trita repair costs to get the points ...
regal loom
Farm your wallet 😉
nova sierra
not in such numbers. i play wot to. and i bought for 50€ a prem tank
but theses tank is now in my account for ever (as long the game runs) and give me something for it
here i get for 50€ maybe one upgrade for one ship or so
and the ship is later useless :/
then you got the next higher ships
inner plaza
well i can tell ya
solemn coral
Scopely - Seize the Player!
inner plaza
welcome to f2p mobile industry
nova sierra
and all theses investments are useless, if they introduce the 4 star ships
inner plaza
yes everything becomes useless at some point
nova sierra
or the did a re**** before the go 😉
nova sierra
alter 50k? did we have so many millionairs here? 😄
inner plaza
we have some ye
nova sierra
maybe i should pitch my business idea ingame ^^
im off for today, before i got another discord ban
solemn coral
why would you get a discord ban ?
queen ridge
@delicate sentinel bad idea to do maint during a big event. Should have been done b4 it started or after it finished.
People got screwed out of the current round because they thought US servers would be down... now they will be screwed out of a 2nd round.
quartz flint
So they fixed miners...nice. People have been complaining about crew not impacting mining speed. Now, i’m not sure what the developers did, but crew and ship type don’t matter. Supose you have a tier 6 envoy which has a mining laser giving 645% bonus for mining. Now, crew bonus is 50% and ship bonus is 100% on the same base value as the mining lasers bonus. So this means crew and ship type hardly have any effect on the mining speed.
There’s no reason to choose a specialised miner with those values.
You see the same wierd thinking if you take prime repair. It hardly matters because it covers the same base value as the other bonussus.
inner plaza
yes
copper girder
My NS without specialized miner captain is 3150/hr, with is 3285/hr
quartz flint
The implementation is just plain wrong. Give the mining specialist crew a bonus ON TOP OF the combined value of ship and upgrade bonusus. Fixes some of the economy issues as well.
umbral oracle
Do you think it is possible to make a system where you can bulk use peace shields? Don't know about other people but im sitting on tonnes of 1 and 4 hour shields I'll never use :/
quartz flint
The crew bonus scaling is wierd in this way too. You have much more benefit from specialist mining crew at low tiers. which doesn’t quite feel right. At higher tiers they don’t do anything.
@delicate sentinel
You guys really need to do something about this. Either make this clear to people or change this in such a way that it’s more intuitive.
nova sierra
@delicate sentinel i assume those of us who shielded and stood by in anticipation of this maintenance today are just SOL for the progress they would have otherwise had...
@delicate sentinel does this look like nero's ship? Please answer!
@potent cipher see above!
@potent cipher who is in charge of the game developement? Did he/she ever watched Star Trek? And the porn variants don't count!
What?
Except for Nero's ship, no other mining ship has been powerful enough to destroy a star base in the entire Trek universe...cause it doesn't make any sense...not to an inteligent being
You want mining ships to be underpowered against all bases?
They are weak relative to level
Against full powered bases...ofc!
That isn't a full powered base
No ships
Look again
Just your defensive platfor
And shields
So?
And hull
How do you expect us to loot higher level bases then?
If u ever think that even in scifi, this makes any sense...u have no technological understanding
By cracking them with fighters first
DUH!
You aren't making a lot of sense. You can think of your base an unadvanced relative to his advancement.
Imagine is a warp capable mining ship with phaser technology and shield technology landed on earth
Do you think it matters that is a mining ship?
No...u do not understand the technical difference
I do
Power, inertia etc
You are primitive relative to that player
Nero's mining ship would not be powerful in his universe
But he transported back in time
Really? So you would design a hauler with weapons that need most of the energy?
Dude, it is about technological advncement
The design is the same
Well, I disagree with you entirely
The description is not from the future
Yeah but peoples can advance at different rates
in the same universe
That player is more technologically advanced than yoiu
Ergo, it being a mining ship does not matter. Just like it wouldn't matter in an actual Sci FI movie where a sufficiently advanced group could conquer an entire species with a mining ship
The only travesty is making the K'Vort a miner
It's 22nd century tech!
void zenith
So since many of us planned for maint update and wasted 8 hr shield and didn’t compete in event are they going to push a pack with goodies
nova sierra
So in a universe if it is the 22nd century everyone in the universe has 22nd tech. Got it.
....
I guess we better throw out that research tree then
Are u serious?
Buddy, I will never agree with your assessment that because the universe is in the 22nd century that all entities in that would be on par.
And that it is quite conceivable that even a space faring race could get wrecked by shield and hull technology and phasers outside their scope
😂😂😂
So, the enterprise which u can get at a much higher level only, is from what century???
You are missing the point.
You, as a player, are advancing in technology
in this STFC universe
Through time, resources, and research.
You are trying to equate lvl with tech advancement
Well, that is exactly what happens in the game
lol
But u fail to realize that the tech must be much more advanced for that to happen
And it is.
And yet...i can kick the miner's ass with my vakhlas!
How come???
Did i get my vakhlas from the future?
You keep talking about timelines
I am not
Did future gremlins make upgrades?
I am talking about technological advancements relative to ship type
So do i
If what u say is true...my vakhlas shouldn't be able to destroy it
No
My vakhlas is at 170k
Why not?
The research is at the same lvl as my base
U claim tech disparity...it's present in my ship too
Within a universe you could have space faring entities with different classes of ships that even though one is not as advanced as one type because of its design it can win, even if barely.
It is tech disparity
We have thw same type of ships...same type of bases, same tech tree
So don't go "another entiti"...we're the same
Think a little more abstractly lol
So, if the tech can make a miner destroy a base...the same should be for a ship
Also, outside of your hangup on what a ship can or cannot do, it is totally impractical in gameplay
I thought we were talking tech...abstract doesn't cut into it
There is bo such thing as abstract tech
Technological advancements simply means ship types, bases advanced and therefore become more competitive across other types that are less advanced
My 415k horizon could smash your explorer
over and over and over
and over
and over
Because I am more advanced in the game.
Ergo I can break the normal rules of engagement with someone on par
I can even take your base with my miner with most of your ships docked
Of we make up rules of engagement ob the go, sure
let me rephrase. lvl 23 vs lvl 23 on same research tree can't break a base with a miner
Because you are not sufficiently advanced
I, at level 36, and advanced tech can do that because I have advanced farther than you.
Which is plausible in an actual universe
I don't need a fleet or battleship to break a non-advanced player. Perid.
distant ivy
@delicate sentinel scopely owes players a 24 hour shield since they pushed back maintence... I used it to protect myself so I wouldn’t get a beat down if I wasn’t online when it came up. Now it was pointless and whenever maintence happens I will have to get another one
nova sierra
Ok...it's scifi...so, even tho it only happens once in the trek universe, with a tech difference of 200 years, it can happen with anything, no matter how low the time difference is..
copper girder
@nova sierra Of course you can do it with a NS 😉
nova sierra
The universe consists of many different entities that aren't as advanced in the same century
This is in star trek as well
There is this crazy race called the Borg.
Same tech tree too....
Crazy
@copper girder thx for the help. U actually made my point.
The NS can go up to 180k without needing more than lvl 23. But it can destroy a base of lvl 22...where is that huge tech difference?
In general, you can't break a base with a miner anyway.
The NS would have been a better point to start with.
But you argued the horizon
Which doesn't unlock until lvl 26
with research
or shipyard 28
Oh...so u were arguing a principal instead of a fact...got it
What?
copper girder
If you are lucky you can push the NS to 200+ at lvl 23
nova sierra
The NS was not introduced or balanced
like it should have been
The horizon and faction miners are fine
The point still stands...u can use a miner to break a base without much tech advancement
With regard to the NS, yes. Someone can steal 8k from your base
But that was never properly introduced into the universe.
Who mentioned stealing?
copper girder
It was a cash grab before they powered up Kumaris and Vahklas and introduced lvl 26 faction ships to rebalance everything
nova sierra
I never thought he NS was integrated properly and I wasn't arguing with respect to that.
I am talking about using a miner as an attack ship agains a friggin base and u r telling me it makes sense
It makes sense if it is introduced properly based on research and advancement.
Absolutley
NS required a pack buy and thats it
copper girder
NS was never really a miner, it was a base breaker from the start 😄
nova sierra
The only concession I would make is that you shouldn't be able to upgrade ship components until you hit certain level barriers
Technically, if you wanted to break your bank, you could max a horizon at 26
The pack offerings try to discourage that. But regardless once you have it you can push it to whatever you want.
@nova sierra there should be a reality check...or at least a trekian one
Oh I am good. I feel quite comfortable with my position. No need for the adhominem arguments. It is below you 😃
Just talked with some P2P guys...they used the horizon succesfully on lvl 28 bases while they were at lvl 30
Well 1) Was it already broken 2) Are their research trees up-to-date. I can't hit a lvl 28 with max defense research with T9 horizon without breaking it first.
Only time I've been able to do that is with rushed 28s
We are talking about unbroken...gizas
Keep up
Bitter, don't be a prick.
It isn't how you talk to people
It is when they don't pay attention
No it isn't and you didn't make it clear
btw
Which is why I was asking a clarifying question
Did u look at thr picture???
I am referring to this statement:
"Just talked with some P2P guys...they used the horizon succesfully on lvl 28 bases while they were at lvl 30
"
Also, you never speak to people like that.
Now, a max research 28 cannot be broken by a horizon
U asked before and i answered...so u either didn't pay any atention, or you intentionally ignored it.
I was responding to your previous statement with regard to your PVP players not a sentence 30 lines up. You made a statement without a clarifying statement.
That is it.
It's the same subject same discussion!
A lvl 28 who has done his research tree and has max defense platforms cannot be broken by a horizon.
sigh
Is it so hard to say that u have a short attention span?
Bitter, you need to learn how to talk to people and engage with them with better intentions instead of resorting to these tactics
Bye
Bye
It's easier to say bye than to admit you can't follow a simple written discussion
copper girder
@nova sierra he is right and you know it
nova sierra
@copper girder if this was true...i could never brake a base, A FULL POWERED base, that is 2-3 lvls above me, with my vakhlas
copper girder
I am talking about you being annoying when discussing stuff
nova sierra
@copper girder if u would read the entire discussion, you would see that i haven't gone off-topic, haven't even mentioned already broken bases. So, by asking me that question, it showed he was not reading the cobversation. Which means i was talking alone.
Don't you find that rude?
@copper girder and i was rude to u, because you equated emoty miner destroying, to bulying. You were judging people for plating the game as it was designed. That is rude
limber sparrow
@delicate sentinel are you going to refund shields everyone used in anticipation of planned maintenance?
remote shoal
@delicate sentinel will adjustment just be for event completed going forward or will it be retroactive for those already completed?
finite wolf
@nova sierra it’s funny how you say I’m whining about the high repair cost of envoys when they are hit under protected limit but you cry over forgetting to put up your shield
misty bluff
Anyone else notice refinery rates completely blow again now. Last 4 days all ive refined is commons. I had better refining rates when i was level 23-25
nova sierra
@finite wolf where did i cry for being attacked, and where did i say i forgot to put up my shield?
finite wolf
I’ll interpret your comments like you did mine
nova sierra
@finite wolf "but you cry over forgetting to put up your shield" where did i interpret? it's almost verbatim
small matrix
@delicate sentinel there’s a problem with mining rates after the update in our server EU. Existing mines which are Tritanium as very slow, like mining dilithium speeds. Once a mine refreshes, it is back to what it should be. But what this means is there are less mines now to go on.
icy pilot
The Uncommon RSS needed for upgrades, Research and Buildings becomes insane. I am stuck waiting for hundreds of uncommon rss just to be able to research or build something. The requirements need to be dropped or customers will leave when they can’t progress anymore. The 100 packs won’t even give me enough to do one thing
odd hazel
All my mining rates are down from before update/maintenance..and its not working correctly...test test test test...
pulsar mango
I'm at a breaking point. I've spent an embarassing amount of money on this game and I'm about to delete the game. I'm level 26 and need >200 uncommon crystal to get the horizon on top of the hundreds of uncommon of the other types. But now my refinery has produced all but nothing. This event has given me more - literally! I have mined and raided hundreds of 3* mats and burned through all of it. I LOVE to spend money to enhance my game play. But spending will never BE the game play.
inner plaza
i am grooot
queen ridge
@pulsar mango I need 2000 uc crystal to level my Saladin.
pulsar mango
@queen ridge Ouch! but the horizon might as well be 2000 uc crystal because I won't waste my time or money getting either
chrome thorn
Here’s a suggestion for a new feature: more accuracy in rss requirements.
lunar wing
Sucker
white axle
Personally I think mining ships are OP, look at the north star people are using it as a base breaker, to farm npcs as a warship... its class is a miner. In the show do you see the Klingons getting mining ships and smashing Romulan war fleets? No because a mining ship has low combat power and wouldn't a chance against a war ship or a star base. They should have large cargo, fast mining rates, even reasonably high defence but sod all combat power. I think the reason they even have much combat power at all is get past a broken base. If a base is broken totally it shouldnt matter if I hit it with a fortunate or a horizon it should get through because all defences are destroyed, I should have to do that with warships not miners and only then can I haul loot away.
I think the devs need to sit down and look at what the intended purpose of a ship is vs what its being used for in game, if they don't match then they messed up
ember grove
@white axle your absolutely right. So low lvl never had a chance to raid a base from a high lvl because there miners not Strong enough.
A destroyed base is a destroyed base!
nova sierra
Hmmm...i remember someone making the same point, and getting shot down...bad 😂😂😂
solemn coral
@chrome thorn already suggested (https://stfc.key2peace.org/view.php?id=30)
raw mural
my friend had his ship stuck in attack, since impossible to recover, despite a dozen emails, the scopely team is unable to solve this grim situation. I ask you this question are there informiticians at scopely or only commercial?
cosmic knoll
The issue isnt that mining ships are being used to break bases. They are used because they are cheaper to repair. Therefore, as a mining ship is adept at mining and suviving, with its cheap repairs, it is the GOTO ship to use and tier up. You just see the effect of the cause. the CAUSE is that miners are cheaper to repair and more versitile than a normal ship, therefore they are used predominantly more often in every instance of the game.
nova sierra
@cosmic knoll thq Captain Obvious...u really live up to ur name
And they call me a troll
calm root
General feedback, more mods for this discord
hushed swift
Haha we are here @calm root dont worry.
calm root
Haha oh I know you're around, but more would be good for more coverage. Seen a few times no mods were around and convos getting out of hand
hushed swift
Tagging us helps when you see that 😉😉
calm root
Not to mention make your life easier #FullTimeMod
hushed swift
Definitely would love some more in my timezone. Panic is on it tho. 😊😊
onyx marsh
Is there thing being done about the game constantly crashing and having@to reload it? I’ve lost a lot of resources and have gotten my base raided with no notices sent. I email scropley customers severvice last week but got no reply
soft girder
lower the prices until you fix all those lots of fucking bugs
thats kind of a fraud what you are practicing
nova sierra
You need to make it where only the leader can see where every members base is. We have people that make Alternate Source in spies into our guilds to find her base locations and we need it removed or way to shut it off. The way you have it set up now allows them to find us and raid us with very little trouble
gloomy oasis
Or you know set a limit on recruitment like nothing under x ammount. If they are willing to spend weeks to level up an account.... that's their lost time.
nova sierra
Yeah until you lose hundreds of millions of resources we already have that
We have somebody that likes to make alternate accounts send in spies or try to turn existing members in to spies the only sure way is to remove the ability for them to find our members by removing ability for everybody except for the leader to see where members are
eternal tide
Can a player be moved to a different server?
dire swan
@delicate sentinel Are there any plans to improve the daily chests drops as you move up the levels? Getting 50 officer xp at lvl 2 made sense since you would need maybe 100 or 200 to upgrade. At level 25, I need 50k to upgrade or promote a common officer, doesnt' it make sense to get 5000 officer xp? Same goes thing goes for the 1k Parasteel, or 1k Tritanium or 100 Dilithium at level 25. Just doesnt' make sense
@delicate sentinel Because if you are scaling the purchase packs, rewards from events, why not the daily 10 min/ 4 hour / 24 hour ones?
eternal tide
75% of the drops I get are 2* parts which I’ll never use
dire swan
Yea, same for drops too, if I'm using 3* ships to hunt lvl 25+ hostiles and getting 2* drops mostly....can't really do anything then
eternal tide
Same thing for materials.. I get 2* mats which I don’t need anymore
Changes don’t come fast enough.. almost time to find another game
pseudo dagger
@eternal tide I deguilded and let my friends strip my base if its RSS. Its liberating and will help you walk away. I come here to check on the progress of things and see. Not much has been made.
vernal swan
Excessive Mission Cost: there are at least 3 missions that require donations of 500k, 1 million, and 5 million dilithium. Those requirements are absurd, especially with a mission reward if 3k faction points or less. The cost risk gain aspects of these is completely out of balance. Please review the mission requirements for resources.
winged bronze
nova sierra
@winged bronze it's the lvl of respect they have for players. We pay for their cars, they give us the answering machine
shell gale
I like the idea of a longer shield but it would be too easy to abuse unless they put limitations on it like needing to have all ships docked and it going down when you deploy
nova sierra
how can u abuse the shield?
shell gale
30 day shield and just keep playing the whole time
Basically take yourself out of the game
wicked jetty
You'd have a fun time trying to mine lol
shell gale
The game would really be a mining simulator at that point
wicked jetty
More like a waiting for node to open simulator, since you can't remove someone from a node without dropping your shield
But really if your going to be away from the game that long, spend your rss and stay unshielded
copper girder
@potent cipher @delicate sentinel This is feedback on the game from 4 months of gameplay. While the game is fun and quite addictive it fails to deliver on what it promises. The first 15 levels are a great single player experience and create both a story and an expectation for more. Once you hit level 15-18 the game does a 180°. You are now in a open world pvp game, the rhythm of missions drops to a stand still, so much that you forget what your missions were in the first place. The only thing you start caring is resource gathering, your defences, shield timing etc... Now beside this being a bad experience for the players it also does not deliver on the brand. Star Trek is not a world of piracy and continuous open war. War is part of it, but definitely diplomacy, strategy, exploration play a much larger role than tactical engagement. I believe this game has huge potential, but the rules for pvp must be adapted to make the game truer to the brand and enjoyable for star trek lovers (as opposed to pvp fanatics) and also need to have a denser pve experience which does not have holes of months between one mission and the next (e.g. Watchtower, Antenna with ridiculous warp req.)
nova sierra
@potent cipher i have been unable to send any messages via the ingame communication system. All of them were marked "Failed - tap to try again". This has happened the entire day.
Beeing the leader of the alliance, this is a game-breaking bug...
nova sierra
@shell gale that is not an abuse...u can do that with the 7 day shield too...or with the 1h one...u just keep activating them
shell gale
For sure...but with 30 days it would be much worse
nova sierra
it's how the game works...or do u consider abusive raiding, miner killing etc?
shell gale
Do I consider it what? Abusive? No...that’s the game
nova sierra
so is perma-shielding...
shell gale
But at least you have to manage it
nova sierra
ummm...you do realize that there are ways, built in ways, to make a player that is only mining drop its shield?
or are you new to the game?
shell gale
Well I guess I don’t know everything then
pseudo dagger
@nova sierra but that would be a hack and is not intended the only way to get a player to drop shields is for that player to attack another player anything outside that is an exploit.
raven fossil
The mining nodes really suck. Take forever to reset and the game is very dependent on mining.
I
My jellyfish shows victory in a recent battle and the other ship destroyed, but my jelly was destroyed also and I got thrown off a node. Is this just one more bug in this game? The game needs some serious fixes.
twilit slate
This will never happen, devs remove a few zeros from these ridiculous missions, or increase mining rates 100 fold.
7000 rep for this, what a joke.
short forge
@twilit slate Lol yeah, we’ll all get right on that 1.5B... is that a BILLION parasteel, right?? I do know a player or two?, maybe, with that much, who has raided for and purchased it. But I don’t think he will trade it for 15k Fed rep by ANY means. Which makes the entire quest absolutely worthless.
NOT TO MENTION. Let’s just bounce the number billion quick. 10,000 parasteel = an hour. That’s 17.12 years of mining for us with one of our best miners. Math is a such cruel mistress.
twilit slate
yep, NEVER going to happen. It is in my will so the rights of succession will carry on for this game well after I am dead and buried, maybe my great, great, great grandkids will finish that mission for me 😬
short forge
That’s longer thank my mortgage has left lol
nova sierra
General feedback I'm getting sick and tired of spies inside my guild trading off information on bass location because they can see where every single remember we have in the game thanks to your blue figures that represent people on the map
still python
😕PLEASE FIX THIS GLITCH...I searched for a player for 10min to get my revenge and traveled for 6min to their location only to end up targeting myself giving away my position and getting stuck in warp back my base for 7mins. Now both of his ships are now where to be found😡😡😡
nova sierra
@pseudo dagger a hack? :)) You still have a lot to learn about this game. It is not a hack, but it is a lot of work to do that. Keep playing and maybe u'll find out also
vocal jungle
In-Game Chats
My in-game galaxy, Alliance & PM chats have all gone down and I can’t chat to anyone, it started yesterday afternoon, has anyone else had this problem?
unique glen
Try restarting, if that doesn't work try reinstalling. Just make sure your account is connected to Google play or Apple before you do that.
latent talon
@potent cipher @delicate sentinel is there a problem with in game chats. Tried all the obvious things, but still no luck.
Seems to be spreading on our server
On android P
unique glen
@latent talon i don't think you'll find any scopely employees on here during the weekend. Having said that we do see reports of this problem on here from players. A restart /reinstall can fix it. I understand it often resolves itself too. 🍀
latent talon
No luck with that. Considering the money this game makes, you'd think they could have some weekend support!
unique glen
I know 😕 I'd suggest trying Panic again on Monday.... Meanwhile I'll try to highlight the chat issues so that he sees it when he logs back on.
nova sierra
Hi, I've been playing for 3 months now and I'm thrilled! Am in a German alliance called DTK and everything is great! My wife has played this game since the last update. She joined wuver or something and now level 8. However, she can not see our alliance. I think she plays on another server. Is there any way she comes to us on the server? Or is it from level 10 nor that it automatically changes the server, or how does it work?
vagrant cosmos
No server changes yet unfortunately peter.
nova sierra
Unfortunately, I do not remember what it was like back then. From level 10 or so, I suddenly saw Moon, FDM, DEL, DT, DTK, and their names. That was after Bella's mission, but I'm not sure.
gloomy oasis
You can always compare leaderboards to make sure. But mostlikely you are not on the same server indeed. Server changing is in the works. But atm we don't have an exact timeline for when it will hit. @nova sierra
solemn coral
@unique glen see #👾-bug-reporting in regards to chat issues
I figured out for one person it to be a temporary ban because he did a lot of recruit attempts
@latent talon if you did a lot of unsollicited advertising for your alliance in order to gain members, it might be that the targets you addressed have reported you, and the system determined you to be a spammer, and placed a temporary block on you, what you need to do is contact support in order to find out if that is the case
latent talon
Yeah, it might be. Although there are others on my server not able to access chat, who are not in my alliance, and have not been sending messages
solemn coral
do you know the server id you folks are on ?
in order to determine if it is a account related or server wide issue?
latent talon
I don't. How can I find it?
solemn coral
repair a ship while another is already being repaired, will produce error, look at top right, the number between live-(xxx)-web in the url
and ppl might have reported others for crap reasons, affecting them too
not sure how reports are being handled
as you cannot provide a reason why you report a user
latent talon
Ah OK. I can see some members on our server doing that to troll people. Will it expire on its own, or should I advise everyone to contact support individually?
solemn coral
it might expire on it's own depending on the type of ban
if you know it's trolls, you really need to contact support
latent talon
Ok
solemn coral
telling them about it in the request, the trolls might get punished for abuse
nova sierra
@gloomy oasis Thanks for the information! By the way, which would be cool if there was a chance to share resources with other Allianz players! For example, if you need unusual ore 2 to build your ship. You could then ask someone in the Alliance Chat if he has any left. If so, then he could send it. That should then work with all resources.
solemn coral
Market place across alliances ? 😃
I actually think what you suggested to be the intention of market which seems to be under development, as it is currently restricted to level 50 where it makes no sense to be at
level 50 is like the placeholder for a lot of things that should remain unavailable
or very high warp ranges for systems under development
basic resources like par/tri/dili are already being shared, the member steps out of alliance, allowing his members to raid him
probably using multiple accounts, keeping the base low on power, shielded up as much as possible, only focussing on the resource that 'store' has been intended for
nova sierra
@solemn coral No, I meant something different. I'm level 19 right now, I have 3 ships including the Talla. For that I need a part, I send in this regard a picture, where I could bring it to 23k. Only for this I need unusual ore 2. So now if someone from my alliance had such a thing in stock, he could send it to me. Within the Alliance, of course.
solemn coral
yes, which is the probable purpose of market, you see the building slot to the right of the non functional bank in your stations interior view
see details of that
required level is op50 now, meaning it's still being worked on
nova sierra
what level do you need there? Because at 19 I have not yet, right?
Sorry was too slow 😂
solemn coral
to be determined later once the feature has been added
nova sierra
that's cool, but from level 18 it would be more useful in my opinion ...
solemn coral
please read 😉
noone has reached level 50 yet
so currently, thats a placeholder for things to come
nova sierra
In other words, you want to adjust the level and set it lower? I like it!
solemn coral
in other words, it's not done yet, but in the works, from there they will lower the level requirement in order to make it available
nova sierra
Cool now I got it. 😂 Honestly, this game has only been around since November 18, so you've achieved a lot. Especially with you can talk! I think that's great ...
Tha'ts what I meant...
cinder garden
One more important piece of feedback. Missions where you're given choices should allow you to decide later.
Many missions at my level are in 30+ hostile territory. It's a rush to make it to an objective, frantically click through the text, and get out again before your ship is oneshot by a fighter a few hundred K higher in power than you are.
I can barely read the text telling me what the choice is about, let alone choose the most meaningful one, if you force me to do that before returning control to my ship so that i can run away from the fighter pursuing me.
stone hornet
I decided to leave some general feedback to the developers. You guys dont make this game even remotely competitive for the folks who cant spend money. When a level 26 wipes out an entire hive of level 19's-24's with 1 ship something is completely wrong with that. So rather than try and convince my friends to play this game.....I will keep quiet. I've been monitoring your downloads. Seems to be stalling....maybe even dropping off. I'd say this is probably the downfall of this game. I won't be back. The game is so glitchy it's hard to maneuver. The rewards are so small compared to the amount of grinding that needs to be done and for what? To reward the credit card warriors? Good luck. And I'm sure Armadas is coming REAL SOON! At least that's what the banner has said for the last 6 months. Lol
solemn coral
6 months makes you a beta player
as the game is released a little over 4 months ago to the public
4.5 months to be exact
stone hornet
You're right. I rounded up.
shell quiver
@solemn coral i am a Beta player
solemn coral
I know
you are on the new instance where two beta servers (EU/APAC) where merged into
I am aware of what 129 is 😃
shell quiver
Macht uns das zu etwas besonderem?
Bekommen wir dafür irgendwann paar Mio RSS, weil wir so lange durchgehalten haben?😂 😂 😂
shell quiver
Da hab ich keine Angst davor xd aber du solltest dich fürchten xd kein Monat ohne Krieg...und prospect😂 😂 😂
@solemn coral
solemn coral
der ist mir scheiss egal, ich verschwende kein geld 😉
shell quiver
Der dreht täglich,am we auch 3bis 4 mal seine Runden und killt alles..
nova sierra
Ach ihr könnt Deutsch!? Ist ja klasse
tough mango
@delicate sentinel and team well done on iOS. I find more alliance help without restarting the game since last server update. 👏👏
Hope that was wanted... 😉
shell quiver
@nova sierra Türlich xd
nova sierra
@shell quiver wieso habe ich mir dann mit dem Englischen so viel Mühe gegeben? 🤣🤣🤣
shell quiver
😂 😂
nova sierra
In Sorenle geben es wieder Tote Minen...
calm root
Thanks for the peace shields :)
silver cobalt
Seriously what is going on with this G3 uncommon material the amount needed is an absolute joke for the amount giving In events and in your packs just bought a £93 ship pack and it only contains enough G3 uncommon gas to upgrade 1 part on my shirt absolute joke absolute robbery I have to spend another £93 just two research Explorer targeting array so I can finally research blueprints for Kumari what is the point medan playing the game you're making impossible for an average person to play
solemn coral
wow
queen ridge
@delicate sentinel this is ridiculous. 1200 uncommon? That $1,100 OR 120 DAYS at getting 10 uc a day, and even at level 30 that’s unrealistic. So 4+ months to upgrade ONE component?
This is why people are quitting your game
The refinery needs to output Five to ten TIMES what it’s doing now
solemn coral
this makes a lot of sense why it crashes on ios....
I am running the app in bluestacks now
actually just have it running, monitoring the resource usage
average 1.5Gb in the last 3 hours ?????
when just having it idle ????
queen ridge
@solemn coral it has piss poor memory management. It never crashes on iOS devices with 4gb ram, but it crashes on 2gb or less devices
It probably has memory leaks also
solemn coral
yes, those 1.5Gb are just for the app alone
solemn coral
it boots with 67Mb average on mine, didn't check the entire time since I am mostly busy here
but when I checked, as said, 1.5Gb average
I run the bluestacks instance mostly for debugging purposes, verifying reports in regards to android
it's level 6
plush bay
Yes I can also vouch that the memory cleanup is inefficient. Paging and cache refresh aren’t anywhere close to adequate. Ergo the node refreshes, client dumps (behaves like stack overflows), and out of sequence timings like warp or the retracing on attacks. But most devices or emulators who can access dynamic memory deals with it a lot better.
plush bay
Well yeah there is swap but also memory mgmt release
It’s not progressive as in the longer you play.
solemn coral
prays to the coding gods it will be fixed soon
solemn coral
yeah I am aware
plush bay
You don’t get data bindings down to client to process.
solemn coral
you see that in the way stuff builds up
solemn coral
combining requests would make a difference too
plush bay
Eventually the client falls over. Yes
plush bay
Most of the mobile games I play have the server payload. Client processes. Sends back to server
Lol. I have no clue
solemn coral
I see two lines here in red
plush bay
shrug
solemn coral
plush bay
Lol. I got nothing
Did I mention refining yet? Let me get that out of the way- refining is terrible based on requirements. Way off balance from an experience perspective but maybe by design from a P&L perspective. Either way attrition hurts so stop being so stingy.
That’s my weekly announcement VitaminTHC.
solemn coral
if you followed the q&a, you would know thats going to change
plush bay
I read it
I’m hopeful it’s sooner than later so a weekly post is my contribution to priority vs the folks who repeat themselves hourly.
Or are just generally pissed they don’t have an I win button
solemn coral
priority is fixing mines first
it's the PIA of coders, and they wanna reduce valium consumptions dramatically
plush bay
As far as dead mines? Mining rates? Expansion of mining nodes across faction systems and non faction? I read the comments on dead nodes. We have 1-2 a system on my server. It’s not debilitating there
Yeah I’m sure it’s a PIA
solemn coral
you got only a few per system
I know a system on server 131 where I am on that only has 2 working ones, the rest being bugged
plush bay
Yeah man maybe like 1-2. It hasn’t been a crushing issue
Ok that would suck
We don’t have that scenario
solemn coral
our server is borked anyways
we have a unique issue I haven't heard from being on other servers
plush bay
The byproduct of A-B testing or they just jacked that server?
solemn coral
we seem to have triggered something in the former 'Battle for Glory' event back in feb
stuck hostiles
plush bay
Lol. Jesus
solemn coral
rigel has no living hostile, so ppl cannot finish rigel related missions
most of the level 12+ systems in the neutral zone are a mix of dead and living hostiles, some have like 4 hostiles alive
plush bay
I figured they were just messing with config data to look at drop rates or other to see where people will buy vs quit. Sounds like they don’t have that and it’s different branch builds. Smh
solemn coral
you see the dead ones, they do not move and you cannot select them
so yes, we where 'happy' when this event launched 😛
plush bay
The mining issue preventing update is a good indicator that it was early code to make mining work. It’s a 3 year old codebase
solemn coral
let's just say we felt like the fake swedish guy in the titling of Monthy Python's Quest for the Holy Grale
solemn coral
and wished we had a bunch of holy handgrenades
plush bay
Yep I get it
solemn coral
but hey, I am glad they are now focussing primarily on bugs
I consider that on its own an improvement I hope they carry on with
and in regards to the misery they had with the updates, hell, that crap can happen
sandbox testing vs real world deployment can always work out wrong
plush bay
Especially early code that has been built on top of and unforeseen implications
solemn coral
I'm sure they tested it a lot in the sandbox, and where so exited that they forgot about that damn prick called Murphy
plush bay
Ask one of my engineers what did you build yesterday. They know. Ask them what they built 6 months ago and why?...no clue. They have to go get back in that headspace.
solemn coral
you saw how happy they where to make the announcement
it was like 'yes yes yes, we finally did it, happy happy happy, joy joy joy'
plush bay
Oops
solemn coral
and then came murphy with his sledgehammer crashing in
solemn coral
yeah, especially considering the mood players are in
plush bay
Sour is a good word
solemn coral
I can understand both sides
the devs and the players
but support, I can't
sorry... does not compute for me what they are doing
even bots are smarter
all bot replies are tagged in the text as automatic reply
everything else is human produced
nova sierra
would be nice if you could buy a mine and put it close to your station for mining
solemn coral
and if I had the chance, I would go there for a week or two, and have some serious chatter with those agents
retraining them a little
rough dagger
How am I supposed to beat the hostile interceptor when everytime I fight it the battle report shows me fighting myself with my own officers being used against me?
solemn coral
I have no papers prooving my skills, but if scopely gives me the chance and pays for the trip and provide bed&food, I'd even do it for free
plush bay
They don’t know anything other than the known issues list they look at and it is likely not up to date. Nor are you going to get state of the art judgement. 99% chance they don’t know anything about the game really
solemn coral
@rough dagger known bug, read it, you see you are winning instead of being defeated
plush bay
@rough dagger sacrifice a chicken
solemn coral
@rough dagger issue is you are on the wrong side in that report
@plush bay proper information sources and a little reeducation can address that
plush bay
@solemn coral call me when the shuttle lands
solemn coral
@plush bay the biggest issue they have is wrongly interpreting the mail
if you fail on that, the rest of the problems follow naturally
plush bay
Failed. Full stop
solemn coral
if they learn for starters to properly read mail and understand the question, the rest is a matter of correctly looking it up in their internal knowledge base
plush bay
Knowledge base? All 5 entries. Lol
solemn coral
trust me, they got more in their internal one
what you see online is just what they publicly acknowledge to be issues
or solutions
plush bay
Oh I know. Being a little sardonic but hey. It’s not the support we need. It’s the support they think we deserve
solemn coral
thats why I am waiting for my approval of my account on linkedin
plush bay
Trading a paycheck for fresh spices or underwear
solemn coral
will attempt to contact javier or walter
plush bay
Best of luck amigo! I hope you do and moreover I hope you can create a strong enough argument
Sincerely
solemn coral
I've looked at javier's profile on their site and it is impressive
but simply based on the facts of his history, depending how I address it to him, should make him realize stuff if I present it properly
I mean, cmon, Disney interactive and EA ?
plush bay
You know they call Ron Jeremy “The Hedgehog”
solemn coral
if he did stuff like this here with those companies, he wouldn't have survived a month there
plush bay
That’s impressive. It’s him and Sonic The Hedgehog
What impresses me is straight up transparency. Be honest. I’d rather hear or read, we have no fkn clue yet. Vs empty promises
plush bay
Thats the same as betting on a stock and being early. Return suck. So yeah for immediate gratification you are wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
solemn coral
I mean, why doesn't keenser for example not make promises of dates
he has a damn good reason for that
plush bay
So don’t be early. Just say hey guys. This code is fkn old and we have to unwind it
That’s the truth.
solemn coral
he does not want to disappoint people making promises that he can't keep because of factors like Murphy
plush bay
I don’t know what a Murphy is in this case
solemn coral
stuff like failed updates
he designs, he doesn't code, so he is depending on his coders
coders could get sick, or face a hurdle
too many factors where it could go wrong not being able to make it to the deadlines
but he does his best to get it done
so yes, should I ever be in LA, he'd be on the list of people to visit, along with some other people I know there and still would like to meet for real
although one of the other guys I know in LA, I could try to visit in sweden during christmas
he's a dj who runs the radio station 'Groove Radio'
now sadly owned by ClearChannel
he's known as 'Swedish Egil'
wtf, Keith Flint died?
marble bramble
Final percent needs to get invested. Never mines. How can he get from zero to lvl 33? Unless he is a stocky player getting every thing for free.
queen ridge
@solemn coral with the $ they make, they should have plenty of people on staff so absences don’t affect deadlines.
solemn coral
they still got plenty of job offers for the barca location
queen ridge
Yeah but scopely aren’t the main devs. Most of the devs are at digit in Ireland
solemn coral
which is hiring as well
queen ridge
Yeah but it’s a little bit too late… They should’ve been hiring people nine months ago
Hiring one or two or three people is it going to fix the problems here… They need about 25 more developers
Plenty of people who can fix mass amounts of code, and implement new changes quickly and efficiently
solemn coral
2 is plenty, seriously
too many cooks make bad soup
as mentioned, it's old code they have to look through first
queen ridge
Yes and no. 2 people can’t efficiently tackle all the bugs and implement new features. They need a big engineering and content team.
solemn coral
I am talking about bughunters/fixers
queen ridge
That’s what I mean by engineering
solemn coral
diving into other ppls code can be a mess to decipher
queen ridge
They need like 10 more bug fix devs and 10 more creating new content/features
solemn coral
yes there are development standards
but we all know they don't follow them in deployment
queen ridge
Too many cooks would be like 50+ devs
solemn coral
so why would the source be different
and yes, 2 people CAN tackle the bugs, the team in regards to content is good enough
you don't want 10 or 20 people working on several bugs at once
queen ridge
If those 2 are top talent. And I mean top
And they don’t seem to hire those type of people
solemn coral
as their action might interfere with each other
queen ridge
@solemn coral That should never happen if organized properly
solemn coral
and you think the code is ?
queen ridge
You can have 20 people fixing and debugging code and having it working perfectly smooth without interfering with each other LOL
solemn coral
based on when they add one thing, 2 new bugs appear that have nothing to do with the stuff being added ?
queen ridge
That’s because the core of the game needs serious debugging and memory leak fixes
queen ridge
And that takes a lot more than two people to fix
solemn coral
taking a good look at whats done and optimize stuff
grouping api calls together to reduce the amount of calls, streamlining code etc
nova sierra
the client just needs to be 100% re written from the ground up. That's actually not that hard to do. Most of the game is server based. Once you rewrite the whole client, then they can work on enhancing the servers
I've been coding since the 80s, and I couldn't debug this on my own. I'd need a solid team of about 10 coders to fix and or rewrite this garbage
solemn coral
if you are bored, look at the apk 😛
nova sierra
@solemn coral the apk is compiled code - not source code
nova sierra
Not sure what you are looking at , but apk files are NOT source code LOL
queen ridge
Lol yep
nova sierra
@solemn coral no because doing any reverse engineering is 1) against the tos, and 2) usually illegal LOL
It's a major violation of the software license you agree to
solemn coral
yet it would be a way to help them find bugs
nova sierra
APK studio "reverse compiles" things from machine code back to source code and it's not always accurate
Those apk files aren't source code. They are compiled code, and apk studio attempted to "decompile" the apk.. and that technology isn't always perfect
solemn coral
I know they aren't source code
nova sierra
While it might help them, it's against the ToS. So I wouldn't admit to doing that here LOL
And lastly, they shouldn't NEED our help. They make 400M/year
queen ridge
Helping them does not help them to teach themselves how to run their business
Helping them just acts like a crutch for them. They should be doing this all on their own and hiring the proper people to do it
nova sierra
TBH, I dont think 1) They want help, and 2) dont care that much. If they did, they could have fixed this game AGES ago. They have PLENTY of $$$ to hire talent to fix this
solemn coral
if you think so
nova sierra
@solemn coral I know so. LOL 1) my 30+ years of experience, 2) my husband, @queen ridge has been playing this game and dealing with them for over a YEAR, 3) O
- Ive worked for companies with only a few devs that can put out 10X the quality products they do with a fraction of their income
queen ridge
If they really wanted to fix this game, they would have. I really hope they do fix it, but with each passing day I grow a little bit more skeptical
solemn coral
your hope depletes, my hope grows
vagrant cosmos
Given the income to output ratio, that’s probably most companies @nova sierra .
Sincerely sympathize with the dev team as a company worth a billion $$$ should be resourcing them better and have had over a year to do it.
Could definitely spring for more human support.
nova sierra
@vagrant cosmos Yeah making 400M in 1 year? You can hire more devs, better support, etc
vagrant cosmos
They are valued at double the valuation of the Eve guys with only a few years and a few mobile games. Seems a little like it’s being run from an excel sheet which is worrying.
nova sierra
I just don't think they want to. They want the most profits, with the least amount of work put into it. I'm all for business making profits, but if they REALLY cared, a lot of the BS that has happened/is happening would never be
And I GET Digit ran out of funds for this game and had to turn to Scopely for $$$, but that was like making a deal with the Devil LOL
queen ridge
This game was so much better when digit was the one in charge – it all went to hell when scopely got involved
vagrant cosmos
Not sure waking dead left many people happy either @nova sierra . Seems a bit systematic and possible a general cultural issue.
nova sierra
@solemn coral Thats our point. The issues aren't JUST with this game. This is a repeating problem with all of their games. Hence why the lack of hope
They are VERY slow to fix bugs and issues and often never bother fixing some of them
vagrant cosmos
If they don’t invest more in players and keep going for growth built around acquisition headlines and puffed up valuations, they won’t make it far. Just piggy backing the big name franchises will only take them so far before the franchises decide not to give them licenses anymore. Apple already offside.
solemn coral
yes, I've entered scopely in google and was faced with a lot of crappy results that made me wonder about them 😛
hence why I blame the suits and not the devs
vagrant cosmos
There’s whole communities around that @solemn coral 😂
solemn coral
I am aware