#💬-general-feedback | Star Trek Fleet Command | Page 144

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 12:56 AM

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rather than that i think they're just punishing free-to-play players - it's not even progression, you just can't enjoy the experience.

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it's as if the game is designed to actively drive out people who have small wallets

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my opinion, anyway.

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Example @torn pollen ?

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 12:57 AM

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the power differential between levels, for one. there was that guy a couple of days ago whose entire alliance went up against a single guy and all died

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and we all know about the problems with mining. murders every 5 minutes, no real way to resist

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Yeah, but he was a god like stupid level guy, right? And he has spent thousands.

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There are serves where alliances have stopped that

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 12:58 AM

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I dont have a problem with the option pay to progress in games of this genre but that is not what you do in this game as their is no balance mechanic between players levels, all progress gives advantage so its pay to win not pay to progress.
I have a problem with the fact the game is either poorly designed or is craftfully rigged so that you MUST pay to gain resources to progress at certain points in the game inorder to keep playing, this damages growth of the playerbase and the games future.
I dont have a problem with the price but players currently get far too much for spending so little for the level of content in the game atm, 10% of the content makes up 90% of the endgame above lvl 25+
I fundamentally disagree with the fact the game has an "endgame" I cannot see how its suppose to keep itself running by attracting new players atm.
I have a problem with the rigged pricing of content in the shop, the fact lower cost packs are removed shows they only want to train whales to milk them for cash.
I have a problem with the rigged content in packs in the shop, the fact you get less resources per unit of currency spent on higher level packs (and noones noticed it) shows dishonesty and underhanded sales tactics.
I have a problem with the pay to win aspects of the game when games in the same genre make far more money and have longer lives while maintaining zero pay to win mechanics.

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 12:58 AM

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My experience is the griefers with half assed jellys soon get thier comeuppance

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Big spenders who are set on destroying everything is a problem, but not insurmountable

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 12:59 AM

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The game seeks to attract in players and have them compeate with one anothers wallets. its not a game, its a casino.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:01 AM

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thats what most mobile games are

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:01 AM

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@carmine jay I dont understand your use of the word "insurmountable", it is exactly too great to be overcome. Their is no system in place to allow mobs of weaker players to compeate with those that spend large sums of money. it is exactly insurmountable.

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Casino would suggest luck. Of I spend 10x more than you, would any amount of luck help you win.

IF I spent 10x more than you, should you win?

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:02 AM

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But @carmine jay no buisness bases itself on luck, casino's do not operate on luck, that is the illusion that fools fall for when entering them.

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@carmine jay games are not about measuring wallet size, all you've done with your statment is explain exactly how this is not a game.

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games are competitions of skill, tactics, knowledge, ability.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:05 AM

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not mobile games lol

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:05 AM

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In my server, we have a whale with 3x 130k+ 3* ships. He is, by far the strongest individual player and in the strongest alliance by power.

But.. is he spoiling my enjoyment, no. Hes enhancing it, why? Because I and others in my alliance have tried to reign in that alliance by forming an alliance of many alliances and its worked. He is one player, but is not omnipresent. Overall, the many do outgun the few

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:06 AM

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yep

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Ok so.. is soccer a game?

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Baseball, basket ball

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:06 AM

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@carmine jay explaing to me how thats possable when its more beneficial to be in the same alliance as that single whale

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Whatever you like

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And does money affect the sucess and outcome of that team? Or is it all skill?

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:07 AM

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@carmine jay how can a community blindly follow a game like this and not even slightly take offense at being made a fool of?

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:08 AM

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cause people have different opinions

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yes the game has bugs

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and needs some balance

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:08 AM

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@naive garden and some people are fools.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:08 AM

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but im still Loving it everyday

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:08 AM

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I guess I’m used to spending. My time to progress is more valuable to me than time spent grinding, i consider the cost fair value, or i wouldnt spent

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To call me a fool is.... foolish

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Do you go to the cinema?

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Drink coffee?

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Alcohol?

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Cigarettes?

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Vape, whatevee

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:09 AM

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this game is targeting casual players that dont have a problem spending a bit a week

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:10 AM

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All “foolish” or consumer choice?

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:10 AM

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if you want a serious game, dont play mobile games

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Is the company that employs you foolish for employing you?

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Its all subjective

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If I believe spending 100k on a game, or 50k on a handbag or 1M on a watch is good value then thats my choice, no?

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 1:12 AM

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i like the fleet/squadron mechanic, i feel like it's 75% of the way there as currently implemented. if they just had ways to customize ships beyond crew (like hardware upgrades that force you to focus on a damage type, etc), and ways to mix ships into a single fleet, that'd go a far way towards replayability

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you guys know of any other games that have something like htat?

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:13 AM

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@carmine jay see I have a different view of the situation having researched and written a thesis, When you say "I guess I'm used to spending" I can view that as your omission of having been successfully trained by pavlovian training and skinner box conditioning.

I'm a game dev myself, there is no regulation in place to stop developers using psychological conditioning on their playerbases. Governments are catching up and are now writting up laws to ban things like loot boxes but its slow.

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 1:14 AM

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so there's an article related to this from MIT: https://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/should-you-punish-or-reward-current-customers-2/

MIT Sloan Management Review

Should You Punish or Reward Current Customers?

Should you offer your best prices to new customers or existing ones?

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:14 AM

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When you have reasonable ppl spending thousands on a game they wouldnt even bother buying for a flat $60 you have a problem.

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 1:14 AM

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https://sloanreview.mit.edu/files/2013/07/shin-s1.jpg

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^ this is the key graphic from that

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if we're talking about business decisions Scopely seems to be chasing High-High, and kind of ignoring everything else

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it might be the right business decision for Scope.ly to do what it's currently doing - we're on the outside so we can't really say i guess

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but as a player i disagree with the direction

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:19 AM

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yeah

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its the business model

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but let's see where the game is in a year

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its not going anywhere

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 1:22 AM

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People play games to have fun, its not some magical unknown, the limbic system is a science, we trust doctors not to abuse their knowledge against the public, we trust police not to abuse the power and athority they are granted by the state.

I hold game developers to the same standard, because when they misuse that knowledge and practice they are nothing better then street swindlers but reach a much larger audience.

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 1:23 AM

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this is the first game i've ever played where there's been tangible counterparty risk - do I invest time/energy into a game where I'm not certain the company has my long-term interests in mind?

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what's striking to me is that i wouldn't mind spending a little here or there - but just watching how things have been handled so far has completely shut down my willingness to put any money into the game. i wonder who else this applies to.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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@CypherNil#0249 yes people like to play for fun. this is setup for fun for some people

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:00 AM

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@torn pollen as a game designer this margeting stratigy will kill the game, you cannot apply this type of thinking to an MMO, they depend on catering to the many, not the few, with no community their is no game for high-high customers to play.

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yet again you make a point that doesnt work in the context of this game @naive garden it is an MMO, you cater to the many or your game dies, noone cares if "some" people find X fun, you have to do what caters to the largest part of your target playerbase.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:02 AM

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not in mobile though

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:03 AM

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@naive garden yes in mobile, not in poorly designed mobile that wants to make fast money and lose out on long term result on investment.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:03 AM

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spending from phones is a quick way to earn

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:03 AM

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your arguing a stupid decisions is ok if you want to make a stupid decision.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:03 AM

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i play lords, its way more harsh then this game

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yes there's more to do

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:04 AM

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and is lords making more then supercell?

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:04 AM

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but I get crushed to there so often

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they have 100m users

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:05 AM

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I didnt ask how many users they have, you brought up the money, how much money does lords make?

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:05 AM

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id bet millions

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its an older game

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:05 AM

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and how much money does supercell make from clash of clans?

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:05 AM

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dont play that one so no clue

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:06 AM

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They make over a million a week.

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because they built their player base over a small number of years by making the game pay to progress and not pay to win

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:06 AM

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so I guess lordd is probably close

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:07 AM

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you make more money getting $5 from 100 million users then getting $200 from 1000

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:07 AM

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lords is a the same game as fleet command

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:07 AM

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No, not even slightly close @naive garden

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:07 AM

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just medevil vs space

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 4:07 AM

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is it also owned by Scopely @izau? if so that'd be very informative

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:07 AM

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yes, thats the point I'm making, these shitty games dont make as much money and cost more because you need to pump new ones out every year or two

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:08 AM

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its ok like igg or something @torn pollen

torn pollen Dec 27, 2018, 4:08 AM

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ah ok, i'll google it

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:09 AM

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sounds like you just need to stick to clash like compan8 @rare roost

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:09 AM

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scopely is a short term return on investment publisher, pump out hundreds of games and make fast money back.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:09 AM

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because there is a niche in every section

rare roost Dec 27, 2018, 4:10 AM

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if supercell released a space based game I'd be playing it instead of this.

naive garden Dec 27, 2018, 4:10 AM

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but they haven't

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because niche

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they got the Star trek license

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so they made a game

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yes its go bugs

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but still its trek

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so you give it a chance

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that chance should last a year for a mobile game

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because they mostly are released as betas

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yes the game launched in beta over a year ago

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but a new company took it over like 6 mo ago

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so the timer restarts

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you just got to understand the devs just aint gona make the game how you want it

nova sierra Dec 27, 2018, 6:40 AM

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That's because their targets are people who pump money in here so that they can feel succesfull at something

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And there ain't no shortage of thise

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Those

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 8:48 AM

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Morning @rare roost

Lords vs Clash on Android for November.

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And yes, Star Trek is basically a reskin of lords and game of war

wise wraith Dec 27, 2018, 12:29 PM

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I'm convinced I'm not getting all of my refined materials. I just finished refining a batch 15k batch of 2* ore and it said 40 uncommon 2* but when I went into my inventory I only had 14. I'm going to have to start screenshoting my results to prove I'm not nuts.

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 1:43 PM

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40 uncommon sounds like a lot tbh, screenshots best

ruby nimbus Dec 28, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Can we please get a fix for the event winner,bug?

rare roost Dec 28, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I appreciate you doing the research and proving me right @carmine jay cheers.

carmine jay Dec 28, 2018, 8:22 AM

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@rare roost yeah. Completely proved your point about the p2win base raider being such a failure, given Lords “only” managed to get 5M downloads and 15M revenue in November. You struck me as having (slightly) more intelligence than that. Don’t let losing an argument turn you into one of the mindless moron haters here.

STFC is a lords clone in the star trek universe, it will be around a long time and will be massive. Deal with the mechanics or quit now is my last word of advice to you.

nova sierra Dec 28, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Players who go Fed get screwed

Fewer stars
Higher warp to access those stars
Fewer missions vs rom/kling

At warp 31 romulan / kling systems with 40k par/13k trit can be accessed. Feds can’t access these until warp 34 in fed space. A 3 warp difference is HUGE with the nerfed rates.

jolly dawn Dec 28, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Why are all the channels getting deleted?

nova sierra Dec 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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I think it s a problem on your end, they te still all here

naive garden Dec 29, 2018, 2:11 AM

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your on topic is collapsed

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so itll only show you channels that have new messages

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@jolly dawn

jolly dawn Dec 29, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Wow I feel smart.. I’ll just go hide over here now 🌿👀🌿

naive garden Dec 29, 2018, 5:29 AM

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😆

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i made the same mistake when i first started using discord lol

nova sierra Dec 29, 2018, 11:41 AM

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@nova sierra here's an example of supports constant effort to improve...

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@nova sierra mine has been open for 3 days now, no response whatsoever

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Literally got a response from support 2mins after that post...🤔

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I agree @nova sierra

thick drift Dec 29, 2018, 11:51 AM

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To be fair to them, I asked a question and got a reply back within 24 hrs.

nova sierra Dec 29, 2018, 12:43 PM

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Hey, thanks for these @nova sierra - I regularly report issues to the team, and feedback like this helps us continue to isolate problems improve.

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@nova sierra No response to an initial ticket for three days, or no follow up?

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@thick drift the disparity in treatment between players tickets is also an issue I have brought up in the past. Some players are dealt with quickly and fairly whilst others wait days just to be told to f off

thick drift Dec 29, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Mine was an easy question. 🤗

nova sierra Dec 29, 2018, 4:25 PM

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@nova sierra no response, but i got one since i posted this

lapis wigeon Dec 29, 2018, 9:51 PM

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@nova sierra @potent cipher can we please get some moderators in the GC chats please we’ve had this monkey of a troll in our GC chat for two months straight I’m sure he’s been reported 1001 times. I’ve brought this to the attention of Scopely support only getting “were looking into it” as usual. Why is he still in the game.

nova sierra Dec 29, 2018, 10:31 PM

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@lapis wigeon why not just block him? that would solve everything

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No need for cust service if the troll has no one to talk to

lapis wigeon Dec 29, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Other players then argue with him and you are trying to figure what’s going on.

delicate elbow Dec 29, 2018, 11:02 PM

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I highly recommend blocking. GC is valueless 95% of the time... You already know what's going on - no need to figure it out or fret about it.

lapis wigeon Dec 29, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Still would be nice for the younger players being exposed to the trolls

delicate elbow Dec 29, 2018, 11:10 PM

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They have the same block function.

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 2:53 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521164308701511690/528765795786948628/image0.png
So I’m fed faction, so I can’t level Rom or Kling Officers w/o spending 99$ for the romulan pack? That’s BS

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This is a screenshot from a member in my alliance

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@nova sierra @potent cipher this is ridiculous.

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@nova sierra The game already bleeds our wallet, we don’t need yet another thing doing it

elder mason Dec 30, 2018, 4:32 AM

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rofl this is the scopely way @nova sierra

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$copely*

supple bluff Dec 30, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Scopely... Sieze the PAY

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Great refinery results!

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 9:02 AM

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@nova sierra what ops and refinery level?

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And nice 👍

twilit slate Dec 30, 2018, 9:09 AM

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You must have heaps of G3, i used all mine pretty quick doing 2 batches at a time

crude marsh Dec 30, 2018, 12:10 PM

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$$$

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 1:41 PM

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@carmine jay 26 ops / 25 refinery

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@twilit slate I have 200k+ of all g3 , I run 3 horizons and mine 24/7 unless I’m on base raiding etc.

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I do 2 batches every 9 hrs like clockwork

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 3:27 PM

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How do u get 3 horizons? At lvl 26?

ivory gust Dec 30, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Magic bro

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 3:41 PM

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@nova sierra I also thought you needed shipyard 28? Guess not? @nova sierra

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At least thats what it says in game, when you click on details in ship tab

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 4:48 PM

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@carmine jay Horizon? No level 26

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@nova sierra farm lv 30+ hostile for blueprints after unlocking it

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Dumb game 😂

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nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 4:50 PM

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carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 4:50 PM

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Oh well, guess ill build one. What materials does it use?

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 4:50 PM

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Can unlock at lv 26 via research

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 4:50 PM

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Yeah, I saw the research. The build bit put me off

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 4:52 PM

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It’s very worth it

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 4:57 PM

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@nova sierra how easy is it to tier up? Which uncommons.

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 4:57 PM

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@carmine jay it’s a pain in the ass. A LOT of uncommon crystal

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When it’s back at my base, I’ll send you a screenshot of some of the current components .. But it’s not easy

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Thanks bud. I have plenty crystal, just low on gas cause i just built a vahklas

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Starting at tier 5, most 3* ships need RARE vs uncommon

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Yeah, ive started the fun on ops 26/ ref 25 recently. Gonna take a while!

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Its more if i can get it usuable. I have 3 max envoys rn

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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I had 3 also. Once I got my combat ships to 200k, I could farm the horizon BPs

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 5:02 PM

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Big upgrade on an envoy? Mining time wise?

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Obvs cargo and power is nice for raiding,but for mining only...

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 5:02 PM

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Not at first

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At first a t7 envoy will outmine the horizon

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Once the horizon is t3, it’s 900% vs the envoys? Hmm I forgot. 700?

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 5:03 PM

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715 iirc

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So yeah, t3 needed

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Wonder if I have the crystal 😬

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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It’s faster, but not blinding faster. Once it’s tier nine it’s probably a lot faster

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Hell yeah

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Thanks bud

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Welcome

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Knowing if it uses gas would be v useful

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Im not buying anymore ultra packs for 60 gas, even I have my limits 😬

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And how did you get your warships to 200k .... can you buy rare mats?

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Or youve just been playing a while?

nova sierra Dec 30, 2018, 7:31 PM

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@carmine jay

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@carmine jay no can’t buy rare. My refinery cranks out a crap ton of rare. I have like 68 rares total

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@carmine jay Yeah I won’t buy those packs either… They’re rip off at this point

carmine jay Dec 30, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Ok great, thanks @nova sierra

rain mountain Dec 30, 2018, 7:57 PM

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I’d better stop using up my 5 credits a day from the daily task then 😂

cold plaza Dec 31, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Anything the developers would like to address about this type of thing?

wicked jetty Dec 31, 2018, 12:37 AM

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I dont understand what needs to be addressed? you two smack talked each other in PMs

cold plaza Dec 31, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Someone threatening to hack an account?

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Should be a ban

wicked jetty Dec 31, 2018, 12:39 AM

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so report it

cold plaza Dec 31, 2018, 12:39 AM

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That does nothing

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Just wanted it posted so if anything does happen there is proof

naive garden Dec 31, 2018, 1:11 AM

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sure its threatening a hack or just saying he'll raid all your resources

cold plaza Dec 31, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I assume when he says he'll own my account and everything in it he us threatening a hack

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Not that it's a pissing contest, but he is 200k below me

naive garden Dec 31, 2018, 3:43 AM

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well i think their full of it, but ya can always file a ticket to just for the record

nova sierra Dec 31, 2018, 3:51 AM

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no one can hack your account@cold plaza

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First off, they don't even know your login... pretty hard to hack it w/o knowing your login info.. I suppose they could hack the server... but TBH, 99.99% of the people playing lack the skill to do so

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I'd just laugh at him TBH

cold plaza Dec 31, 2018, 3:53 AM

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I figured it would be impossible, I did laugh at him. Just wanted to post on the slight chance someone was able to do something like that

wary nacelle Dec 31, 2018, 7:09 AM

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Stations are annoying to attack

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they pop a 5min shield?!

twilit slate Dec 31, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Yep

grim coral Dec 31, 2018, 12:43 PM

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According to the in-game support, the shield has a 8h cooldown (i.e., it will only trigger once in 8h).

nova sierra Dec 31, 2018, 4:55 PM

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Is this a fact (cooldown)?

grim coral Dec 31, 2018, 7:35 PM

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It's what I was told in a chat with support staff. In our alliance chat, someone mentioned a 24h cooldown.

unreal finch Jan 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Wow Scopely

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Take away the contact us tab

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You guys figured you can’t answer questions worth a damn eh

gaunt ferry Jan 2, 2019, 12:10 AM

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It is still there, just does not pop up until you answer NO to the “Did this help?” question on the individual entries.

delicate elbow Jan 2, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Wow @unreal finch ... it's right there... "Lost Progress & Contacting Support"

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Yes, as @gaunt ferry said... say "No" to "Did this help"... and you'll be prompted to the Contact message. Rinse and repeat.

iron fiber Jan 2, 2019, 5:23 PM

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All of these command/conquer game formats have the same flaw: low level players are at the mercy of high level trolls. Low levels have absolutely no method of recourse when a high level player comes to farm their base. Give them something to break the troll cycle, even if it’s a one-shot weapon that can’t be used often. Otherwise, 15’s will always be at the mercy of 16’s, 16’s will be at the mercy of 17’s, and so on. Make the shield charge time lower as you level up. Give a 10 minute combat boost item to fight higher levels. SOMETHING. Otherwise the cycle will continue in what is otherwise an interesting game.

ivory gust Jan 2, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Yeah but this is the absolute most forgiving game i have ever seen. The only thing people can take from you is rss and time. The other games i have played you can literally lose thousands on dead troops. I will take it any day.

iron fiber Jan 2, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Still doesn’t change the fact that you can’t beat a troll. Repair time is all fine and dandy, but for the love of god, break the troll cycle for once.

rain mountain Jan 2, 2019, 5:40 PM

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@iron fiber those trolls are paying good money to beat up minnows though.

ivory gust Jan 2, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Those trolls also spending money give you the ability to not like it. They pay to keep the game rolling.

unreal finch Jan 2, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Yeah my bad bro hi

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Bhodi

fathom copper Jan 2, 2019, 7:07 PM

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And back to 100% p2w weekly event again gg🤑

hoary summit Jan 2, 2019, 9:21 PM

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The mining mechanic for this game is absolutely trash

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Far too scarce and trolls are plentiful

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Also galaxy chat is filled with people begging to be banned if any actual moderation existed

rigid flicker Jan 2, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Can i see the list?

nova sierra Jan 2, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Just block ppl in galaxy chat. Issue solved

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There’s no need for moderation want to block feature exist

charred epoch Jan 2, 2019, 10:54 PM

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There’s always a need for moderation. What a silly thing to say

nova sierra Jan 2, 2019, 11:05 PM

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@charred epoch moderating that many servers would be a pain and costly. If there's a block feature and a report feature, users can do it on their own

gentle anchor Jan 2, 2019, 11:06 PM

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You can actually report those right?

twilit slate Jan 2, 2019, 11:06 PM

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@ivory gust on our server players 30+ can hit players as low as 10 levels below them. It is not just trolls but bullying and it seems to be the atmosphere that is encouraged. If bullying was not what the devs wanted this would have been urgently addressed by now, especially in this day and age where anti-bullying is something that is all over the place. IMO PvP needs to be based on ship strength not ops level.

nova sierra Jan 2, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Anytime you click on a message you have the block and report buttons pop up

gentle anchor Jan 2, 2019, 11:06 PM

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ive reported one and was never able to see them again

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halelujah

ivory gust Jan 2, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Exploiting the game mechanics is not being a bully. I absolutely hate it when people say that crap.

charred epoch Jan 2, 2019, 11:10 PM

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What does the report feature do if not highlight someone for moderating?

twilit slate Jan 2, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Your server then must be paradise @ivory gust. On the founding server not so much.

ivory gust Jan 2, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Learn how to play the game as if you could be hit at any second. Its not that my server is better. They give you the tools to defend yourself. If your miner gets killed constantly...use the fortune. You can insta heal. If peoplr keep hitting you base, the alliance store has plenty of shields. They use the mechanics in there favor and you can do the exact same thing. Also a shield pack is 5 bucks...

charred epoch Jan 2, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Most successful games like this give you a multi-hour shield after getting hit.

ivory gust Jan 2, 2019, 11:19 PM

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This game is also brand new. Changes are sure to come.

charred epoch Jan 2, 2019, 11:21 PM

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And having someone give that sort of request in a company run discord channel titled “general feedback” is the way players have to suggest those sort of future changes

azure holly Jan 2, 2019, 11:23 PM

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@charred epoch Originally they did but removed it

ivory gust Jan 2, 2019, 11:24 PM

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They also ignore the crap out of this channel or give a diplomatic screw you here.

charred epoch Jan 2, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Yeah, maybe. But as a player all you can do is let them know what you want. If it’s really a deal breaker and nothing changes ya just stop playing

twilit slate Jan 2, 2019, 11:31 PM

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The game is new for some of you, others have been playing the game for over a year, personally I have been playing it for six months - changes, if any, come glacially slow

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 3:43 AM

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@ivory gust I agree

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people dont get that this is a CUTTHROAT PVP game

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And if you dont pvp, especially after lv 20, you will never mine enough to grow

ivory gust Jan 3, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Absolute fact. Like i said I'm not gonna drop cash until these people show dedication to improvement. I have already been there and done that. Like I said earlier, thia game is so forgiving.

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I have been wondering how you would keep going in the game if you run out of resources and your ships get destroyed?

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Considering f2p

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Wait for correct rss from 10min/4h/24h boxes?

azure holly Jan 3, 2019, 4:58 AM

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@nova sierra, you have rss generators...

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Yes, but I mean more like the current session continuity. It can take quite some while to get the required rss from the generators.

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If you could change a ship when it is damaged/destroyed, it would solve many problems

ivory gust Jan 3, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Yeah thats true. Alot of other games have resource items that can be saved and used for things like that so that could be an awesome improvement also

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Many things in the game are too random

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The idea of the game is rather good compared to many others (ms, gow, etc.) but the backend should’ve just been copied from others that already made the errors. And fixed them.

ivory gust Jan 3, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Well regardless I think I'm hooked at this point...

naive garden Jan 3, 2019, 7:25 AM

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give em time, I think they'll pull through

unique glen Jan 3, 2019, 12:09 PM

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<@&509691205798592532> are there any server merge or opening up of older servers planned? The server I am on is slowly dying. @potent cipher you must've seen this happening?

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Of course servers might not lose quite so many players, esp level 20+ players, if the game were rebalanced in a thoughtful manner.

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 2:12 PM

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There is no way to balance level 30+ players who have 6 to 12 months of grinding done with players who have played for a month and barely know how to turn off the music and sound effects.

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 2:28 PM

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and we were grinding when the npc farming was profitable, you could fill 4 envoys with 320k tri each overnight

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Level 20+ players can reach tritanium mines worth of what, 6000 tri? Which already tells you that there is no reachable balance unless other world upgrades or the old world downgrades, and the latter wouldnt be that nice I presume.

it takes time until p2w has sucked the gap so small that it may be possivle, but not for a long time 😂

unique glen Jan 3, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I'm not suggesting it would be a good idea to merge our only just pre launch server with your server as clearly that would be ridiculous. However there are plenty of servers from around launch time. Actually it might be preferable to just open the server up to newbies.

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 3:12 PM

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they'll have to figure a way to increase mining rates otherwise us lvl 30s will devour the 20s and it will kill the game

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i'm starting to take my first nibbles @nova sierra

unique glen Jan 3, 2019, 3:18 PM

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And in terms of rebalancing the game, I was referring to altering mining and refining rates as well as repair costs. The game also lacks content and is becoming about hurry up and wait. Players are being bored into giving up.

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 3:20 PM

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just wait until you get the 31 day siege warfare research item

dusty violet Jan 3, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Unless the PvP range jumps dramatically post 20, level 30's couldn't attack level 20's. I find that widening the gap is both a blessing and a curse, because now people who went at a slower pace or are newer are safe to mine at their leisure because they are too low to attack.

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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@nova sierra @potent cipher these are useless to a level 27. The 99$ packs have 80,60,60 of the 3 types of 3* uncommon. These packs need to have about five times as much in them.

These packs are also littered with G2 materials, g2 ship parts which are useless to a level 27

Packs lv 25+ should ONLY consist of g3 stuff and in good amounts … Otherwise people are just not going to buy them

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cursive finch Jan 3, 2019, 5:18 PM

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The problem is the mining times as a whole. Why would I spend 2-3 days min8ng materials, when I can just go bomb someone’s base and get it in 5 minutes?

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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@cursive finch can’t get g2/g3 materials from a base

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@nova sierra been telling them that since August about the ultra packs

carmine jay Jan 3, 2019, 5:21 PM

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@nova sierra agree 💯. And I am quite happy to spend and spend I have until level 26 but... aint no way im buying any packs stuffed with useless 2* stuff. I will set up a direct debit for reasonable 3* packs but not the junk available right now, sorry guys. @nova sierra @potent cipher

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I have 5,888 2* gas,, wtf can I do with that? Lol

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Anyone know when the galaxy research tab opens up?

carmine jay Jan 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Apparently level 40

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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That’s pretty useless

carmine jay Jan 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Yup

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It would take a year to get to level 40

carmine jay Jan 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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A year! Quadrouple that rn imo

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A dude hit 48 spending 50k is what I heard

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Wait...

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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It would be nice if they shared what’s under that research tab

carmine jay Jan 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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That was pre nerf stuff

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Likely 10x that now

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Honestly, i think the walls up now are to stop all but the most dedicated whale. They are just buying time for whatever reason and dont expect people to get much past 27

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Hopefully it will change in next 6 months or so, 26+ progression needs to

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Still love the game tho 👍

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 5:25 PM

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If They don’t fix it in the next 30 days they’re going to lose half the player base or more

carmine jay Jan 3, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Idk about that, honestly, they will see the data and they will see that people are spending in early game and very little in mid/late.

They will take action but my guess is theyll give it at least 3 months from launch, maybe 6 before doing anything radical. And dont forget there will be a bunch of pissed off moby dicks to deal with who have been buying 60 gas packs already.

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The “sensible whales” job now is to sit tight and control spending 😬

loud spade Jan 3, 2019, 8:49 PM

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whales dont be sensible much

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Like I say, the team are monitoring and changes will happen. With that in mind, do keep talking about what concerns you - and I will keep taking that to the team.

harsh shuttle Jan 3, 2019, 9:04 PM

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I'm curious about server. I preregistered with my brother, but we ended up on different servers, and playing together was kinda the point.

loud spade Jan 3, 2019, 9:05 PM

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hehe yeah i cant play with my 8 year old kid

nova sierra Jan 3, 2019, 9:21 PM

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@nova sierra You have customers spending totals WAY over a million dollars in iAPs who are telling you all the game is unbalanced, and they want changes. I would THINK the company would want to listen to the people who basically pay their salaries. I fully understand a business can't entertain the whims of customers here and there, but when you have an ENTIRE community saying "this is out of balanced or broken," you should really do some things to make them happy

dusty violet Jan 3, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Very common issue @harsh shuttle . You can't currently move servers, so the only workaround is for both of you to start over on new accounts at the same time. I had to do that to connect with a friend that started just four hours ahead of me.

harsh shuttle Jan 3, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Definitely not starting over... 😢

dusty violet Jan 3, 2019, 9:23 PM

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When I spoke with support, they said that there may be the option to move in the future but it was not currently in development. So you might be able to get together at some point, and in the meantime you can both start alliances with the same name and see who ends up the more successful!

azure holly Jan 3, 2019, 9:27 PM

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@harsh shuttle devs are working on a server transfer but don't hold your breathe as there is no eta

harsh shuttle Jan 3, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Ok. Thx

jaunty stone Jan 3, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Can you guys make it so that when you attack a computer they keep the damage you’ve caused

thorny ridge Jan 3, 2019, 11:00 PM

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@dusty violet the lvl difference to hit is varied and broken for example I’m lvl 35 and can hit as Low as level 14 I know others lvl 32 and can hit below 30

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And with mining rates and mines the way they are there is no choice but to start faction mining lower levels bases for res which will kill the server which 4 of the servers are anyway , no new players joining and players leaving in there droves look at the lvl one systems like banks that’s where the devs “hide” the players who have quit

dire sparrow Jan 3, 2019, 11:36 PM

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@thorny ridge i mean thats what im saying but in a diff channel. PvP isn't bad but only PvP isn't going to allow your game to thrive. Classic example; used to play Naval Action. Niche game, had 20K players on launch. They changed everything around and made it especially PvP centric; nowadays just 300 players are playing. You can't create an economy in which you can only take and not receive or gain. Certainly not when features on top of features require you to gain more than the stored / protected amount for just BASIC resources to the point of not being able to upgrade core features of the game. Its a recipe for disaster and only a select few of hardcore players will be left eventually... Kind of like the hunger games but with various servers haha lol... That just came into my mind. 😂

thorny ridge Jan 3, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Good analogy

charred epoch Jan 3, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Clash of clans was one of, if not the most successful mobile game ever. And it is pvp only

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Fortnite is one of the most popular games right now. Pvp only

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To say a pvp-centric game can’t thrive is just not true

dire sparrow Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Those are in a different genre, this is about the mmo genre here. And if my opinion can't convince you, the empty beta servers should convince you, its a fact unfortunately.

charred epoch Jan 3, 2019, 11:44 PM

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This game is more like CoC than an mmo

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But there are several reasons people stop playing, not just pvp

thorny ridge Jan 4, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Paywall at its finest

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Lol sent support a message about officer upgrade it requires 100k fed credits or 697,000 latinum and if I kill npc I need to kill 26,000 of them or spend $15k there response us that’s our desired outcome , lol wtf that’s to upgrade Kirk to 1 lvl below max

dire sparrow Jan 4, 2019, 12:47 AM

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You can't just shove away a problem which affects the core features of a game lol. Problems are there to be solved, not hidden. Its right in your face; either you peace shield into oblivion or you spend money which doesn't solve the problem either. At some point you just simply can't deny the problem and im fairly certain it will come once the newer servers like mine will have high level players. Lvl 22; at least 3 buildings have a parsteel cost of 1m+, a max protected capacity of 165K. If you bought the 50€ upgrade for 100% protect thats doubled. At every given moment you will need to obtain more than 700K in approx. 8h, if you even have that amount of spare time. So most likely casuals will fall off at this point of the game, i guess? So lets say 70% of players are gone now LOL? Just for one upgrade. You need at least 3-5 of those, at level 22. All the other moments you don't have your daily shield (as they don't stack) you're either stuck with losing resources or 'quickly upgrading random stuff' to not lose resources due to raiders as you can't protect 24/7.

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Even worse playing more passive; leaving ships in your base just to protect it. At some point it just forces you into a peace shield meta. Not even talking about players even raiding your other ships and such, which also actively happened on my server just for the leaderboards, despite 'no loot' bcs of protected cargo. Just like in EvE > don't fly what you can't afford. Why have 200K more parsteel if it can be protected from others? Right, You don't and won't unless you have peace shields. Upgrades take days so you simply wait them out, in other words not play? Thats what i call a passive 'game', how is that even fun in the long run. It lacks features and depth, its still a 'beta' version, despite the 'official launch' which imo should never have happened, its far from. And heavy focus on PvP is just the easy way out to promote spending €, which in return you can still lose due to raiders (LOL). And the low numbers on beta servers only underline the situation; in the long run there is no game. Hence why i was asking for a content plan, more nd better communication or at least more clear ETAs bcs currently nobody has absolutely no clue what is going on except for a 'its on the table, being discussed, working on,...'.

azure holly Jan 4, 2019, 1:03 AM

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@dire sparrow I don't disagree with you ... coming from the founding server prior to S1 & S2 merge Nov 1, the game was buggy and fun ... but since the screwed up merge, the Nov 26 launch and the Dec 12 update, the game fun factor has dropped each time as the game was nerfed each time .... to make matters worse we are fenced off from new players... On Nov 1 we were over 3,500 players active, now it's 20% of that and still falling ... The founding servers have been active for over 12 months so many of us are hard core stfc gamers but even so we are over the bad game balancing ... If we can't survive, the game in it's current state has no hope

dire sparrow Jan 4, 2019, 1:16 AM

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@azure holly Just hope devs and community mods pick up such feedback... Both facebook and the google playstore are full of such reviews / comments and the serious lack of more and better comms is just bothering me. Im a launch day player, 1 month old, paid a couple of €, in #1 alliance, #19 player in server and thats just how i experience the game rn. I enjoyed the game and still do (i have numerous days of 5+h of gp) but there is just nothing to look forward to since nothing here is 'official' and so many things are either lacking or unfinished...

azure holly Jan 4, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Right now we have 4 or 5 pests hitting miners .... apart from that, it's farmville

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@dire sparrow I hear you

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That is why a lot of core players are also playing Nova Empire to fill the gap left

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@nova sierra @potent cipher Can you find out for the founding server when the fence will be dropped and new players allowed in? Or are Scopely looking at merging our server with another? Or, are you guys waiting for our server to have complete player die off and shut it down? The last question is what most of us are expecting....

nova sierra Jan 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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@nova sierra @potent cipher would it be possibe to do q&a, or whatever you may call it, frequently with the devs. With question agenda and 1-2 follow ups per question. Just to know where we at. It doesnt matter if things take 4-5 months to happen, as long as there is timeline.
Secrecy belongs to past.
Currently the games biggest hope to survive is to get the community actually behind it, not against it. The game itself is good, and glitches can be fixed, but it will be killed with such fawked up CS.

formal patrol Jan 4, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Agreed 100%. There needs to be communication between developers and players, especially when there's lots of bugs that have been happening for so long

azure holly Jan 4, 2019, 6:16 AM

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@formal patrol it has happened once before the Nov 26 launch... https://fleetcommandupdate.com/qa190a

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nova sierra Jan 4, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Yep, but currently this needs to be weekly, as so many things are just wrong to sum it up.

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After main clusterfawk is kind of sorted out, the frequency can stretch, but for now it is time to act by the devs, not to hide behind the cs wall.

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Quick question. How's the resorce hunter ability supposed to work? Cause when i scan a hostile with a ship that has a resorce hunter, it shows the same ammount as when i do it with a non-hunter leader

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Second...after i defeat it, there is no change in resources gained...ex. if the hostiles cargo showed 200 trit, i get 200 tritanium, even tho my captain has the Tritanium hunter maneuver, which should give 25% more, at least. (I got the jelly and it moddified it to 45%, but still no change in rewards)

azure holly Jan 4, 2019, 7:24 AM

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@nova sierra It is a known issue that officer abilities are broken ... End of January is listed as the fix date.

nova sierra Jan 4, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Oh...i did not know that. But i do now! 😁

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I guess this falls in those 5% 😁

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Clarification: both abilities, captain maneuver and officer, are broken?

wicked jetty Jan 4, 2019, 7:35 AM

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not all of them but yes both can be broken

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the resource hunter ones are broken

azure holly Jan 4, 2019, 7:36 AM

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so are the miner buffs

wicked jetty Jan 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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and the lower decks officers work all the time not just when defending the station

dire sparrow Jan 4, 2019, 10:04 AM

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@nova sierra you can pretty much say 60-70% of the officers don't work at all. Last time we asked we got the response 'late january', but nothing is official here so don't count too much on it unless we have patch notes or clear confirmation.

loud spade Jan 4, 2019, 1:37 PM

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i doubt they'll merge servers without proper research and checking, imagine super whales from diff servers merged into one

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panis

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panic

nova sierra Jan 4, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Panic?

loud spade Jan 4, 2019, 2:37 PM

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swarms of whales attacking everything and everyone

delicate elbow Jan 4, 2019, 7:06 PM

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If first week of Feb comes around and those basic game killing fixes haven’t been corrected, I’d expect an exodus. I’ll cross one toe for that.

charred epoch Jan 4, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I’m enjoying my time so far, but I can already see the issues going forward in terms of having to spend money. I’ll keep playing till the next update and if minor, easily fixed, things aren’t adjusted (like refining rates) I’ll stop playing

nova sierra Jan 4, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Question: when and how do i get the faction dailys? The mine and kill other faction ones. Iget them, but not all the time and i want to know why the intermitence

delicate elbow Jan 4, 2019, 9:06 PM

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@nova sierra You start to get them from any Faction when you have better than Neutral Favor. That being said, they can be intermittent as well. I had Daily's from the Klingon's for a 5day run.... no change in my Favor.... then one day nothing. I messaged Support about it... then the next day got 4 Quests from Klings and that has held for about 3days now.

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Possibly micro changes in your Favor in one Favor Rating can alter the chances of your Daily quests? That's just speculation. It certainly is not a guarantee that you get them, sadly. It's a bit of a sigh to see that THIS TOO is all up to chance...

nova sierra Jan 4, 2019, 9:09 PM

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i am neighbor...so...

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but i got a few days from kilingons and i was untrustworthy

delicate elbow Jan 4, 2019, 9:28 PM

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That's a head scratcher - I wish it was more predicable. I've heard the same from Alliance members of mine as well.

plucky wind Jan 4, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Would be Nice if refining gave more then just a 0.00000000000000000001% of chance of getting what you needed. Its gating people from progressing to the fun content artifically. I also have an issue that offers dont update in the store with increase of operations level. Ironically they are missing a chance to make more money by not having the store offers change.

azure holly Jan 4, 2019, 9:56 PM

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most things are randomised, like chests from killing hostiles ... it is just how the game works, like it or not

thorny ridge Jan 4, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Doesn’t get any better the higher the refinery either mines lvl 35 and it’s worse than when it was lvl 5

plucky wind Jan 4, 2019, 10:41 PM

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@thorny ridge I am sure Aggravating to new and old players hoping they actually read the Feedback and actually do something.

vagrant creek Jan 4, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Bp for ships and crew seem randomized on the ones you have with least amount of shards existing too

thorny ridge Jan 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

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You would hope but they don’t care as long as there are kiddies With mums credit card paying there wages

coarse creek Jan 5, 2019, 1:14 AM

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I don’t think a system where you force people to spend real $$ for in game resources only to have them raided by whales is a viable game model. Just sayin.

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Also this game is buggy as hell. @potent cipher should be embarrassed

fathom copper Jan 5, 2019, 6:09 AM

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its all about🤑

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 8:29 AM

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@coarse creek if u spend real money then use your resources or shield so they aren’t stolen

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I stole over 200M resources from one base tonight. Probably 500$ worth .. why ppl don’t level up defenses or shield is beyond me

carmine jay Jan 5, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Hehe nice @nova sierra , whats your miner power?

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 11:37 AM

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@carmine jay almost 200k

carmine jay Jan 5, 2019, 11:58 AM

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👍

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 12:20 PM

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How hard is it to code a 2 click action? if one click is done, set target...if two fast clicks...go to/attack target

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i am no coder, but this exists since the 1995...so how come it's so fucked up here?

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but i am being berated when i call the devs "incomeptent"...

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@nova sierra Part of the problem is they inherited this software mess from another company when they bought it

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However that being said, they have put almost no effort into fixing the bugs and adding some good features of the game

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Seems like the only thing they want to code are new events where you have to pay money to complete them

carmine jay Jan 5, 2019, 12:26 PM

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@nova sierra how about warp actions on pvp? Attack, warp, cancel etc. Nothing is usually as simple as it seems.

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Actually clicking a target twice in game will automatically attack it

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The same goes for moving your ship

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@nova sierra in theory* i just double-clicked empty space 3 times in a row...each time it selected the nearest rss node...a node on which i didn't click

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the outcome? instead of my ship moving there...my image moved north-wise, while my ship got poped for loitering

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Yes never double click near resource node LOL

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Game seems to have a snap to function

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 2:00 PM

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that is called a "work-around"

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@nova sierra Coding a simple option to turn the snap to feature off would solve that problem

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too much for them...especially if it doesn't make them money

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@nova sierra @potent cipher the federation warp distances are GREATLY unfair compared to romulan and Klingon.

Roms and Klingon get access to lvl 36 to 40 system with warp 31-33, federation people must get warp 40-45 to access systems like that. That’s a massive penalty to anyone who chooses Federation faction and greatly harms their ability to mine

This needs fixing ASAP

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@nova sierra

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That type of fix does not require developer coding whatsoever. Those are simple changes to configuration files for the map on the servers. This probably was not an issue when the ships had higher warp distances. @nova sierra @potent cipher The problem is, you all globally nerfed warp distances on ships, but you all failed to properly balance the galaxy map

We have ppl on my server mining 40k Parsteel and 13k trit nodes who go romulan or klingon, but players who are federation can’t access nodes that size, and won’t be able to for months

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@q2 @potent cipher We have a level 24 player being hit with shields UP by a new level 30. How can u possibly allow this, especially since there is such a great disparity between player levels larger players can attack. That is absolutely the stupidest addition. No Matter how much we spend we can't protect our purchased resources. This will cause mass quiting in my server.

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@nova sierra apparently shielding won't help u save your stuff soon

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 4:45 PM

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@lunar kindle no one is busting me 900k point base anytime soon

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But yes there is a bug where sometimes you can still be had even with a shield up

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Nothing to do with PVP levels… It’s simply an out right bug

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In That case customer service will restore the missing resources for the player

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 4:52 PM

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I will check this. This player is known to be able to do this. How does the bug work?

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@nova sierra so he's lying and knowingly exploiting a bug?

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 4:59 PM

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@lunar kindle yes as far as I know

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If he's correct.. well.. scopely needs to remove it

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@lunar kindle is he hitting other players through shields or just the 1?

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If its more than one player, he's probably correct.. if it's a 1 time event, then exploiting the bug

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:00 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190105-125935.png

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:00 PM

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people exploit that bug on my server constantly

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one sec let me chk my research

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he's lying.. there is SHIELD piercing

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but that works on the station shields for more bleedthrough dmg

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that does NOT effect a peace shield LOL

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he's full of crap

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Hes level 31 and 2.1M power

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:02 PM

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@lunar kindle ok so? that doesn't change the game dynamics

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:02 PM

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I'm just giving context

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:02 PM

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I'm 90% sure he's lying and exploiting the peace shield bug

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:03 PM

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How does the bug work

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:03 PM

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lets say I go to attack a base

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I see no shield.. the server lets me attack...

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yet the player has a peace shield active

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I've complained about this bug to scopely for a month

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so has everyone on my server

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:04 PM

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That's a serious bug

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@lunar kindle it doesn't happen often.. sopely will return the lost resources

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While you can pierce station shields better, you never get an ability to drop a peace shield on another player

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and if scopely is selling that.. ohhh man...

wicked jetty Jan 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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The game relys on client side queues to handle a lot of whether you can/can't do something. Which is why ships get stuck in warp or whatever. If player has shield but player b client doesn't see it, player b can still issue attack command and apparently the server doesn't correct it. Server seems to assume that no invalid attack command can come because you can't select attack on a shielded station

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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people will quit the game left and right

wicked jetty Jan 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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It's... Actually a horrible way to code these kinds of interactions

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@wicked jetty exactly.. theres a whole list of things people can do if the server is given the command.. some people even use hack apk game clients to cheat at the game

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Yea it seems there will be mass quitting... Hes robbed almost a billion rss much on shielded people

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:06 PM

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now doing THAT will let you go right through a peace shield

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@lunar kindle report him for possible cheating using a hacked client

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He's either exploiting a bug or using a hacked client.. they do exist and I've seen videos of them

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Hes the highest paying player in our server the only Response we get is he paid to be able to dominate

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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scopely will not tell you "he's paid and too bad he will dominate"

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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They don't even look into the problem

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Yes, in more or less words they do

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They encourage to purchase more shields or upgrade to defend

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Which is funny really

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Well then you need to take tons of screenshots, document it, HOUND support and HOUND @nova sierra and @potent cipher

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@lunar kindle cust. serv is a 3rd party and not even scopely. They are morons.. you must treat them as such

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you must prove to them stuff you shouldn't have to

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I post messages on here alot but never hear anything. There are so many issues

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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DM your proof directly to Q2

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I love when they want a screenshot of an action aka a video

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I wish I could talk to that dipwad on your server lol

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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90% they say the issue is on client side... Internet connection normally

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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@lunar kindle it's still their problem

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yea he doesn't talk at all

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Not on GC

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He just raids n raids

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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The server should not blindly obey client commands without verifying they can and should be execute.. that's SLOPPPY coding

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@lunar kindle I'm still going with hacked client or intentionally exploiting

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Yea like everything scopely puts out tho

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Yea i will send in ticket again. It's causing people to quit, he can rob over a million rss per hit so u lose it all pretty fast

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:12 PM

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If they ACTUALLY sold something in the store to remove a peace shield, I'd campaign for people to quit the game

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Me too

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Someone on my server is hitting lvl 30 tomorrow

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and I'm on good terms with them

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So I'll just ask them 😃

wicked jetty Jan 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Same. That would be dumb as hell

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Ok tag me and let me know

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All our level 30 are same alliance lol

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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OUr server only has a 3 28s max and I'm 27

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our server launched on... dec 6th

lunar kindle Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Oh that's recent

wicked jetty Jan 5, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Let me know also @nova sierra were on the same server

rain mountain Jan 5, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I’m glad I read this forum I know it is pointless buying packs any more 😂

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:40 PM

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there's like 10 modded apk android versions of this game people use to cheat

rain mountain Jan 5, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Cheats too? Awesome!

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:40 PM

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you can't do that on apple devices because you can't install 3rd party apps for the most part

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The devs can easily fix that with client server version checks as well as basic encrypted handshaking exchanges

rain mountain Jan 5, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Your experience do highlight the futility of pretending I can enjoy this game long term 😂

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:46 PM

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@rain mountain well hacks can be fixed as well as bugs.. it just depends on if scopely wants to

rain mountain Jan 5, 2019, 5:48 PM

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@nova sierra I wonder if the people exploiting them would be the ones who would pay otherwise. Probably not.

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:55 PM

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@rain mountain What the hack do, is they let you purchase packs for free

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The server thinks you purchased them when you really did not because the modifications fake purchases from the Google store

rain mountain Jan 5, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Holy crap ok. That’s insane.

nova sierra Jan 5, 2019, 5:56 PM

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If the game is coded properly eventually a company should attack things like that

rain mountain Jan 5, 2019, 5:56 PM

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It would be worth buying an android device just to exploit that

wicked jetty Jan 5, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Except you can't use the same in game account on android and ios

nova sierra Jan 6, 2019, 12:40 AM

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I reported it to customer service because I don’t want something like that floating around out there

white cypress Jan 6, 2019, 7:30 AM

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The Vehklas is only at lvl23 right?

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Tag me if this is right, cause I had a 22 with that ship 🤔

dire sparrow Jan 6, 2019, 11:10 AM

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@white cypress vehklas is lv 22 ship :p

white cypress Jan 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Oh maybe I read it wrong on ship details, thanks

rain mountain Jan 6, 2019, 5:20 PM

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It does say on the shipyard that the Vehklas is level 23, but I guess that is for creating additional ones?

nova sierra Jan 6, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I ignore what the game says the shipyard needs for a certain ship

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It doesn’t seem to apply

dire sparrow Jan 6, 2019, 5:42 PM

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@rain mountain yeah maybe currently i unlocked the research and can allow it to construct at lv 22 unless im not seeing smth lol.

nova sierra Jan 6, 2019, 7:57 PM

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the kehra was asking for a lvl 20 shipyard...constructed the ship b4 the shipyard...so...good job Scopely!

white cypress Jan 6, 2019, 10:10 PM

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How aweful 😆

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So how's the mergers going for everyone?

agile onyx Jan 6, 2019, 10:22 PM

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The shipyard requirement is for if you collected all the blue prints

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Researching a ship is not the same

twilit slate Jan 7, 2019, 5:38 AM

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@nova sierra

Can I ask why the more expensive packs give none of what the lesser packs provide?

Ultra Ship pack does not give any G3 Battleship parts or G3 Survey parts, but the pack at half the cost Master Ship Pack does provide these? Shouldn't the more expensive pack contain the same items as the lesser one, just more in quantity?

Before the 3rd of November the Ultra Ship pack contained 3x Rare G3 Ore, 3x Rare G3 Gas, and 3x Rare G3 Crystal - why was that removed? Also the Ultra Pack contained the G3 parts for all four G3 ship types and the Master had all but the G3 Survey, any reason why this has changed and done an about face where the Master has them all and the Ultra now only has two of them?

My OPS is level 26, so the reliance on G2 is less, and G3 is greater, yet the ship packs still cater mostly for G2, why is that?

wicked jetty Jan 7, 2019, 5:39 AM

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that would make too much sense @twilit slate , along with allowing you to continue purchasing less expensive packs instead of forcing you up the price tree

carmine jay Jan 7, 2019, 6:56 AM

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I agree @twilit slate . I am also level 26 and the ultra ship packs are incredibly poor value, the solution is not to buy them, that is the only way it will change.

chrome crest Jan 7, 2019, 12:26 PM

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It’s geared to make the most money out of newbies that want to progress quickly....

nova sierra Jan 7, 2019, 12:35 PM

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once you get to the 30s its slog - this was mentioned in Q & A no focus on those in the 30s (growth will be slow)- trying to make the game interesting for newbies up to early 20s

nova sierra Jan 7, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@lunar kindle @nova sierra Vanyel is right, the Shield Penetration perk is for standard ship and station shields, not Peace Shields. If you were attacked either it was a bug (please report to CS with screens if you have them), your Peace Shield timer ran out, or you attacked another player... which deactivates the shield (peace is a two way street).

lunar kindle Jan 7, 2019, 4:07 PM

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@nova sierra so if players are knowingly using this bug to attack shielded stations will scopely do anything about them?

maiden swallow Jan 7, 2019, 4:16 PM

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If you have peace shield be careful with miners. Had my shield cancelled cos someone moved onto a resource before my@miner warped in

nova sierra Jan 7, 2019, 4:56 PM

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@lunar kindle No, if you were attacked while your shield was active that would be a bug. It is not a bug I am aware of.
Sorry for the confusion, I can see how that should probably have been two paragraphs now.

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@nova sierra oh yeah it's a HUGE bug

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happens on my server all the time.. people put up a shield and get attacked anyway

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The attacker doesn't see the shiled

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Cust serv has been refunding resources to the victims

lunar kindle Jan 7, 2019, 4:58 PM

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With a level 31 opponent and his ships, he's stealing a million materials per hit. All while you're shielded... No 5 min shield either @nova sierra @nova sierra

nova sierra Jan 7, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Like I said, if you are encountering this, please report it to Customer Support.

fathom copper Jan 7, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Servers should be closed until the is game ready for release and money should be refunded.

nova sierra Jan 7, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@nova sierra any word on the server merging and which servers?

thick drift Jan 7, 2019, 6:58 PM

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And I know it’s been said before, many times, but the PvP lvl gap is too hard. One single player, alone in a small alliance, is 2m str at lvl 29. The 2nd highest in our server, 26, has 1m strength and is in the servers biggest alliance. #1 player is unstoppable and could, at any time, wipe out almost all lvl 20 players.

rain mountain Jan 7, 2019, 7:16 PM

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@thick drift that’s what he has paid to do basically

fathom copper Jan 7, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@thick drift its properly just a developer that are testing the game, we have 1 on our server as well. Remember the game is only ad Alpha testing, so have patience.

thick drift Jan 7, 2019, 7:57 PM

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I know but frustrating. 🤯

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I hate PvP games. 🤪

dusty violet Jan 7, 2019, 11:11 PM

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I'm just going leave this here, more an an observation than a critique: It's interesting how this game is essentially a theft simulator hidden under a Star Trek shell, and it's doubly amazing how okay with that people (myself included) can find themselves being. We raided a 1.5m tritanium base the other day without a second thought. In reflection, I feel sort of guilty...because he likely paid for those resources that now reside in my vaults. What we did was no short of reaching into his wallet and taking the money ourselves. And yet, while I felt a slight tinge of guilt...I'm also very much going to do it again if I find another soft target that is too fat with resources to pass up. On one hand it doesn't feel very inline with the message of the Star Trek universe (unless you are a Ferengi) but on the other hand, kudos to Scopley for finding a way to make me okay with robbing people blind and having fun while doing so!

nova sierra Jan 7, 2019, 11:34 PM

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@dusty violet he should have shielded or spent those resources

dusty violet Jan 7, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Yeah. Probably not a mistake he'll repeat anytime soon. Amazed at how many of those stations I'm running into honestly.

naive garden Jan 8, 2019, 1:05 AM

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its how these games work

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if star trek is the only reason your here you need to reevaluate

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cause i dont think they going for the trek fans

ivory gust Jan 8, 2019, 1:31 AM

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They looking for the honey badgers....cause honey badgers dont give a ***

arctic adder Jan 8, 2019, 3:16 AM

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If u level to fast u put yourself as an ez target. Not my fault I didnt shield when going to bed eventhough u get 8 hr shield daily

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You^

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No guilt

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Yep no need to feel bad of someones bought resources. Or mined. Feel bad if you constantly kill people who try to progress by mining and grinding, instead of people who bought the level.

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:49 AM

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@nova sierra I don’t feel bad anyway. I kill, I get killed. The circle of death

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@nova sierra you do relize this is a pvp game and not farmville?

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Realize*

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@nova sierra devs say it does not have to be a pvp game..haha

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@nova sierra yes...you can choose not to eat...nobody is forcing you to eat! But our organisms are designed to require eating...

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 7:23 AM

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@nova sierra it’s forced pvp. Even if you don’t attack, other will attack u. Plus by lvl 22 mining isn’t enough. if YOU don’t rob others , your game will stagnate

Buildings cost 2-10M parsteel each. And you can’t mine that.

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@nova sierra yes. I am level 16 and already feeling the crunch. Just find it sad/hilarous the play on words the support team used before launch.

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I must be crazy trying to reason with believers 😂

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 8:33 AM

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🖖

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@nova sierra yes.

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And I would also like to have healthy amount of decent level opponents.

crude kindle Jan 8, 2019, 9:07 AM

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You think its tough now.. theres no reprieve, costs more and more and more

📎 Screenshot_20190108-200540.jpg

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Thats g3 common crystal and g3 rare

lapis wigeon Jan 8, 2019, 10:35 AM

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@crude kindle you have 4942 g3 ?.how did you obtain these

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G3 rare *

crude kindle Jan 8, 2019, 10:59 AM

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I get 3 refines a day...i get more rare and uncommon than common. Its bullshit.

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Srry...i get 3 every 10hrs of each type

📎 Screenshot_20190108-220003.png

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Its a level thing.

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I also got credited some when the servers merged as compensation for ships etc lost to repatriate my progress.

carmine jay Jan 8, 2019, 12:09 PM

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@crude kindle what level ops / refinery would you say you started getting a good amount of uncommon and rare? Cause at 26/26 im getting bugger all 😂

crude kindle Jan 8, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Around lvl30

carmine jay Jan 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Thanks

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 1:33 PM

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@nova sierra No word on this. But I am sure it will remain a question for many of us, so I'll update when I know more.

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:31 PM

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@crude kindle most Servers don’t get that many refines

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@nova sierra how come some servers can do 3 refined on everything when other servers get 1?

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@nova sierra the guy above gets 3 3* crystal boxes. In it, he can do 1-3 batches.

Other servers are stuck with 1 box per type with 1-3 batches

That’s a 3X difference

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:46 PM

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@nova sierra its level base I get 4 refines of each which unlocked at refinery lvl 34 but it’s same drop rate get more uncommon then common or rare which is not what’s needed

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:47 PM

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@thorny ridge I’ve seen lvl 26s with 3 boxes of each and I 0nly get 1 of each

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:48 PM

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It’s hit an miss . With drop rates sadly seems what you need is extremely hard or held back

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What’s there refinery level

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:48 PM

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27

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1 box each.

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I’ve seen 26s with 3 boxes each

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Weird I would ledge a ticket , as support said it’s a refinery level bonus

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Lodge not ledge

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@thorny ridge are u on a beta/pre/founder server ?

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Cuz the new servers all get what I have

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Everyone on my server is like me

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Original server like king , from 12 months ago

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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That’s why

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Interesting what server you on as I have friends in others who 3 of each at lvl 26 and they where new server

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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No idea what server I’m on

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It launched dec 1

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Who’s your top alliance I’ll ask them if it’s the same

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:52 PM

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I’m in the top alliance

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Our whole server is stuck like me. Crappy refinery

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Cheers I’ll ask

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It’s a deliberate sticking point as they want/need you to buy ultimate ship packs

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Yeah but those packs are useless now

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Sure are

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Only 80,60,60 uncommon

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Not worth it

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And no rares. And filled with useless 2* crap

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Yep and u can no longer mine g4 which helped as they nerfed warp range

noble ridge Jan 8, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Is there going to be any enhancement so that we know which server we're playing on? It's kind of difficult when you and others are trying to play the same game on the same server, but get thrusted onto a server that you can't control joining.

nova sierra Jan 8, 2019, 6:59 PM

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@noble ridge I’m guessing not for a while

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Was told it’s not there intention to allow server changing

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Hopefully they re asses that as other games I play allow for server choice

noble ridge Jan 8, 2019, 7:02 PM

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especially should allow for server choice when starting the game.

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changing servers after the fact..... I'd imagine they'd have to cut off at some level point or something. it would be a bit to manage to not overload/overpower a server

thorny ridge Jan 8, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Yep and it’s not a code issue as they merge players into new servers and together frequently

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Similar games to this I play allow server changing prior to lvl 10 which is fair

terse crag Jan 8, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I am 28 and only get to refine 1 of each grade type as well, thats whack

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its just that much slower for the new servers to get mats

arctic adder Jan 8, 2019, 7:44 PM

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wicked olive Jan 8, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@copper girder seems you're right

limpid mountain Jan 8, 2019, 8:37 PM

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@nova sierra is there a reason why alliance help isn’t available when tiering up ships?

spice hawk Jan 8, 2019, 9:46 PM

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How do i report a player who wishes your child to die from cancer? Multiple people have got that message from him now

wicked olive Jan 8, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Report in game

spice hawk Jan 8, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Can i do that from iPhone? Or do i log a ticket through normal route?

wicked olive Jan 8, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Long press player name, click report

spice hawk Jan 8, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Oké thanks

bold mirage Jan 9, 2019, 6:36 AM

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@nova sierra I have bought the research pack stating +100% research speed and got only the Prime Resources one. I tried contacting customer support but they just said - you bought Prime Resources, we don't care about what it said, suck it up. And that considering I already had Prime Resources unlocked prior to getting the pack. Not spending a dime more on this game as you never know what you're going to get.

nova sierra Jan 9, 2019, 8:44 AM

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@bold mirage u do know that you only get the resources needed for the research, when u buy the pack?

bold mirage Jan 9, 2019, 8:47 AM

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I do now, I didn’t know when I was buying. But the resources were not enough for prime Research. Anyhow it is a bug that the offer screen showed 100% research and not 100% resources and mislead me into buying. I explained in details in the #👾-bug-reporting section.

dusty violet Jan 9, 2019, 3:18 PM

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The resources are 100% enough for Prime Research. I bought that pack last week myself and unlocked the node right away. You had to have spent some after purchase.

remote turtle Jan 9, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Resources acquired with REAL CASH should and must be protected from base attack and looting.
Last night an player that must have spent thousands of dollars to get to level 30, zeroed out a base with his big miner ship. The victim was AFK for medical reasons and was unable to pop a shield. She paid real money for those resources. , millions of each. This this ends up being a real theft. The victim ended up quitting the game. And it shook many of us, scared of leveling up and get in range of his big guns. This is really messed up.

unkempt rock Jan 9, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I have had this happen myself, do you really think they care?

lapis knoll Jan 9, 2019, 5:23 PM

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@dusty violet prime research requires uncommon 3*, which I got none of. The pack was mislabeled as research when it was actually for resource

dusty violet Jan 9, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Are you on a founder server with a different setup? It gave me more than I needed and I unlocked it immediately.

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On a newer server.

carmine jay Jan 9, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Sorry @remote turtle but I disagree, and this format has been around for a while with games like Lords and Game of War.

This game is not for everyone but there is a clear message at level 15 you can be attacked. I feel for the person who lost everything, but id advise everyone to understand a game fully before putting real money into it.

dusty violet Jan 9, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I've grabbed every prime research pack available to me so far, and they've always included the gas/ore/crystal needed to unlock the node, as well as enough dilithium.

lapis knoll Jan 9, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Yes new server, and we must be talking about a different pack then

remote turtle Jan 9, 2019, 5:35 PM

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@carmine jay I get it, but, at the same time, the player you left wont spend any more money in the game.

carmine jay Jan 9, 2019, 5:37 PM

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What do you suggest as an alternative?

remote turtle Jan 9, 2019, 5:37 PM

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protect all ressources acquired true real cash

rare roost Jan 9, 2019, 5:39 PM

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@remote turtle that gives additional benefits to players that spend money on the game, something thats already somewhat of an issue with the way events are handeled.

Besides any player that spends money can use a shield to protect their base while they spend the resources they've bought, Perhaps an additional message on the shop screen should warn spenders about the risks.

hexed spear Jan 9, 2019, 5:40 PM

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There needs to be better bottoms up resource generation. Little fishes feed bigger fish. The game can’t survive on paid resources, needs to be farmed from the bottom. Plenty of other ways to get whales to spend

dusty violet Jan 9, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Totally agree with that. Increasing resource gain would both help attentive lower level players who don't mind micro-managing their miners more often, and benefit sharks by allowing them to feast on lazy miners who become fat with resources above their cap.

bold mirage Jan 9, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@lapis knoll thank you for backing me up! Same issue! @nova sierra was PMing saying no-one else reported anything like that.

I wouldn’t even have cared about the dil and stuff, i have latinum to cover it, but I have no way to get uncommon gr3 crystals at lvl17

vital portal Jan 9, 2019, 9:29 PM

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@remote turtle I've been sharing the same concern. Theres a good core game here, but it's apparent that this shell of a game is here to make money. If they focused on supporting the community, real time feedback, and making the game fun they would make money long term. Current format feels like short term wallet bait.

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I've spent $100, but won't spend a dime more until I see some better involvement from the development team. We need timely updates addressing the real time feedback we provide with time lines on fixes. If we don't get this it's clear they only care about getting paid and the game will have a short install life for many users. If this happens it'll be a very sad day because I've not seen such a passionate gaming community for a mobile game. They need to see what they have and respond quickly.

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Being a bad player, regardless if you spent cash or play for free, isn’t an excuse for you to be protected by others.

Learn the game how its played and adapt. Dont buy resources with real world currency if you think you can not protect them or afford to lose them.

woeful lintel Jan 10, 2019, 1:56 AM

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@bold mirage @lapis knoll ok, so there's a category of research things that are prime. They are called Prime Research. there is also an individual research named Prime Research. I get that you're confused. But if you read the pack, it'll say "+100% to resource generation".

bold mirage Jan 10, 2019, 9:55 AM

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@lapis knoll could you please report the issue to CS as well? If they see formally that it is re-occurring, they might actually something about it

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 9:56 AM

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@nova sierra common officer shard is converted to 1000 officer xp when you have maxed that officer, surely an uncommon shard should be worth more?

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bold mirage Jan 10, 2019, 9:56 AM

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@woeful lintel I know, I'm not stupid. The problem is on the offers page it said +100% research speed but inside had only the resources for Prime Resources

orchid silo Jan 10, 2019, 10:49 AM

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@remote turtle what was the lvl difference between the 2 players. In my personal opinion after lvl 15 all players regardless of lvl should only be able to attack -1 lvl but as many lvls upwards as they want to. This would prevent all the massive spenders hitting all the non or lower spenders unless they stay at a similar lvl

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Fix warp lag. There isn’t much in the way of tactics or strategy in this game. One major issue is the wonky inconsistent way ships warp in and out. For example, waiting by someone’s base for them to get back into system and when you see them and attack they are already in base. Or you warp into system to hit an attacker and you can’t hit. You keep warping in and they get away.

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You should not have tied up the research trees. Should have left them flexible for people to build in favor of a strategy. Like bases with low power but they are really nasty traps. Or building up a specific tactic. For assault or defense. As it is it’s mostly he with the biggest stick wins

graceful cipher Jan 10, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Moderator please inform us how long this maintenance will take @nova sierra @potent cipher

potent cipher Jan 10, 2019, 11:36 AM

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At 10am UTC (January 10th) there will be 30 minutes of downtime as all servers undergo maintenance.

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from Q2 on #⭐-official-announcements

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 11:55 AM

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That was a couple of hours ago

potent cipher Jan 10, 2019, 11:58 AM

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my bad, seems it's taking a bit longer than expected, will double check the current status

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I would like to know what made damage to one of my ships that is resting at the station

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(Server’s up)

tranquil torrent Jan 10, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Is there anything of note ref update that we should be aware of?

gloomy oasis Jan 10, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Seems like maintenance q2 said no changes atm. @tranquil torrent

ocean verge Jan 10, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Would perhaps be helpful if you add a translation bot. I have on my server

light orchid Jan 10, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I am starting to think they are just here for paychecks and that Devs don’t read survey results, App Store feedback or these forums. The most simple of bugs are not resolved, and the latest patch notes indicate fixing something that hardly any encountered, and yet still is broken for some people. Game has potential to be a PVP friendly version of STO, but at this point is a buggy wallet rewarding grief game.. Please take this game seriously Devs. Have over $100 invested too, but can’t support devs that aren’t taking the community seriously. Feedback, Timers and wait times now (at 21) would possibly be acceptable at 50. Even still, many timers are far longer than items you wait for at end game on STO at level 65.

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Biggest reason we see people leave the game (as viewed on other discord servers) or post negative feedback on AppStore 1) Cost to level 2) Timers in game 3) unresolved bugs. Hopefully these are being considered. I want lots of players and hope the reputation of this game stays high enough to keep people interested.

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Where can i find these elusive patch notes?

light orchid Jan 10, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Player settings > Help / FAQ

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Oh...THOSE!
Those are there since the "official" launch 😂😂😂
They tried, but...

light orchid Jan 10, 2019, 4:46 PM

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There is an announcements section on this server but not much is said outside of events and server reboots

fathom copper Jan 10, 2019, 5:16 PM

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@nova sierra Why do we get G2 uncommen as rewards in the pvp event is 100% useless i am lvl 25?

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Fuck this event seriously are those ppl ad scopely retarded?

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 5:30 PM

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What level do we unlock refining 4*

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Everything about this event is poorly thought out.
All 16+ players have withdrawn their miners...it's a ghost server now

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Nobody is going to mine until it is over

warped roost Jan 10, 2019, 5:53 PM

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as it should be.. I do like they give points for the solo based on your level and rank. Thats one positive

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Yes...but if u attack a base with ships in it...they don't count

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So...if everyone has their ships inside...how are we gonna make points?

warped roost Jan 10, 2019, 5:57 PM

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by fighting others fighting others.. sure there are plenty of the higher Alliances hunting systems

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Dude...have u played this game b4?

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I mean...who in their right mind would wonder around?

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And even if they do...they see u, they warp

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So...

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Unless u know a trick to make them freeze and let us kill them...

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Wander*

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And btw...hiding at the pols of a planet to disapear from their scanners.. onky works in movies!

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 6:18 PM

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It's funny, cause the brainiacs at skopely thought this would be a bloodbath

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But it brought peace 😂😂😂

azure forum Jan 10, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Yeah every system is so DEAD QUIET now haha

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Not to mention a heavy decrease in resource gathering, be it from mining or pirating....
These guys at Scopely should work for the UN, they would bring world peace, thr incompetents

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NICE GAME KILLING, YA GENIUSES!

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Oh, oh...alnost forgot...they killed the dailys too 😂😂😂😂

azure forum Jan 10, 2019, 6:43 PM

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LOL

tough beacon Jan 10, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Bitter... lol

fathom copper Jan 10, 2019, 7:28 PM

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dont now what to say about those ppl anymore, how can someone be so retarded

nova sierra Jan 10, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Solo rewards for a lv 27?! 2* GARBAGE. It needs to be 3* @nova sierra @potent cipher

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fathom copper Jan 10, 2019, 9:05 PM

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You get 120 k parstell what are you talking about😂

ember cosmos Jan 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Plain ass stupid event. Farming gives better results than this @potent cipher

carmine jay Jan 10, 2019, 9:14 PM

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@fathom copper cause we have enough 2* ore already, and im 26

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fathom copper Jan 10, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Mono happy for you, it was ironic😇

carmine jay Jan 10, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Ah yeah, sry, missed the emoji at end 👍

fathom copper Jan 10, 2019, 9:17 PM

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i payed 200 G3 uncommen for lvl 23 operations, that was🤒

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but hey its free you just kill 60 Realtas from one off your guild mates that leave guild

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cost 10 parstell for a repair

mental quail Jan 10, 2019, 10:30 PM

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26 lvl

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silk bison Jan 11, 2019, 3:17 AM

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The current event is boring on my server. No one mining. Space is empty. I might not even play on day two. Nothing to attack.

olive hedge Jan 11, 2019, 3:20 AM

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This says it burns ships but would it also work on stations? @devs

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valid galleon Jan 11, 2019, 3:22 AM

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There was more pvp fun to be had before the pvp event started...

wicked breach Jan 11, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Can we all agree this is a horrible event and just end it NOW. Why drag this out?

fathom copper Jan 11, 2019, 4:49 AM

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I agree the hole scam about the event, was to get some ppl to spend hard to be "ready" the retarded dev team knew all the way, that the event was 100% BS. Only thing to do for the all players is stop spending, and give 1 star review to all scopely games , and call them out as scammers.

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 6:47 AM

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And still no word from our moderators...what a surprise!

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 8:05 AM

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@nova sierra no.. the event came and @nova sierra and @potent cipher have gone silent

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Which is really bad imo, they should have been in here asking feedback, questions, and replying to the community

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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If the company wanted feedback, questions and replying, they would've set up a forum...but that would mean alowing us to hold them accountable. Here, they can ignore us as they wish

rugged drift Jan 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Remember scopley is probably one of the biggest mobile game makers out there so they only need so many per game to cash out to make money

teal pier Jan 11, 2019, 9:43 AM

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@nova sierra Q2 A couple of questions please..Which developers play the game which quadrant and which alliance..and how DC o we know who is not associated with the game...thsnkyou

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Do we autocorrect needs correcting

valid galleon Jan 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Servers dead... great event not more then one or two ships in any system. Boring....

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 10:20 AM

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And still no word from thr mods...aren't you guys ashamed, @nova sierra , @potent cipher ?

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 12:39 PM

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@potent cipher voyeur, much?

kindred cloak Jan 11, 2019, 1:08 PM

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lol, I have the impression that in this game the officers were initially broken for mining, shipyards for the cost of repairs, the ability to tackle ships, that people would pay and hope everything would be fine over time, but a month and a half later I wrote to the support service about these errors and nothing repaired.
Since yesterday, the ability of the officers from the branch stopped working in PVP
Cadet kirk
Cadet Uhura
Instructor Spock
In pvp, more than one ability of officers from the Klingon branch no longer works.

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 1:20 PM

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ffs they broke more? Officers need buffing not nerfing, they should play a critical part of allowing players to address power difference's between players, getting smacked by a certain setup put certain crew in to give yourself a fighting chance etc.. now its purely about lvl and whats in the research tree. With all players loosing out as nothing is interesting

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Well...at least @potent cipher has something constructive to do for us players

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@potent cipher what's the best tune for ignoring us? Or do u have an entire playlist?

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 1:39 PM

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LMAO!

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busted 😄

potent cipher Jan 11, 2019, 1:39 PM

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heh 🎵

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 1:41 PM

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seriously though its really hurting your reputation the radio silence over all the issues everyone is having... its looks a lot worse than fallout 76 did at launch, at least they engaged with the community when then realised they messed up

potent cipher Jan 11, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Q2 is on it. thanks for your patience once more, answers will come asap

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Good to know something is coming, people dont want a magic wand but they do want to know that the issues are acknowledged and being worked on

potent cipher Jan 11, 2019, 1:47 PM

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i can appreciate that for sure

cloud torrent Jan 11, 2019, 1:47 PM

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They really need to fix a lot of things, patching for Android and not for iOS, an update that only brings new ship and officer but not a single ship

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Game has issues even not keeping your settings, when u get high I can't attack bases to keep growing cause they are too strong for a single player and armadas are not out yet

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Upgrades asking for more of the materials you can generate forcing you to attack bases (But u can't cause the ones that I can are too low and not armadas to attack the big ones , again)

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Refinery rates are ridiculously low

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Daily quests that you can't complete because they ask you to kill ships that are in systems you can t travel to and if you can the ships are too strong and kill u in one hit even using a ship that is strong against them

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They give 0 information about what they working on, what they are trying to fix, no communication with the players

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Events are poorly designed, some you just can't have a chance to win because you don't have same chances for all players

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Game forces you to spend real money to keep advancing and even spending real money you get to a point where you can't buy the resources you need with $

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I could keep going for hours , but the most important thing is that there is 0 communication with the players

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You open galaxy chat and you see EVERYBODY wondering if we even have a developer team

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It's never too late to step back and do things right, learn from mistakes and try to do better

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So please @potent cipher at least read this, an answer would be nice

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 2:00 PM

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For me id like to see a couple of things, firstly a known issue list (things like the constant popup for a reward you have already earned), planned feature/balance changes (don't give away all the info but maybe say your looking at addressing gameplay issues like pvp balance, g3 rare refine rates etc). Last of all realistic ETA's on updates/news.. we dont want an exect time and second but how about saying next update is due around end of Jan... looking at x key features. If there is that constant flow of what's going on and feedback we can make things better for all players and make this game last

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Something came, alright...they nerfed the points 😂😂

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When in doubt, nerf it all!

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So...mining is off...cause, who xan mine in this feeding frenzy, so bo tritanium income(except, ofc, if you pay for it) and you have to kill lots more to reach ur objective, therefore depleting ur trit reserves and making you, you guessed it, PAY FOR MORE TRITANIUM!

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 2:44 PM

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thats what retalia's are for para for repairs and under 5 min repair time. That and a friendly alliance you can smash the rewards in no time

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I was talking about the non-cheating way

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But...it seams they are encouriging players to cheat

spare pewter Jan 11, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Well it’s good to see they are listening to us. Least they made a effort to change the pvp event and have given better rewards according to your level. Thanks for that 👍 @nova sierra @potent cipher

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 2:49 PM

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to be fair yup, I think the intended method was for people to go out and fight with warships with people their own level, instead it turned out very differently

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 2:50 PM

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@spare pewter so...A for effort in fixing what they broke?

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Should we thank them for taking our money too?

spare pewter Jan 11, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Yea problem was higher level players found it very difficult to find targets their own level including my self (lev 25) so this change did help us out as well as kept it simple for lower players as well... one point for all so it’s fair I believe... just my opinion

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Ha ha give em a break bro @nova sierra I think there’s only couple guys(devs) here on n off and they seem pretty flooded mostly with hate mail so...

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 2:54 PM

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I don't give breaks to people who have my money...i can give them money or a break...not both

gray cedar Jan 11, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@potent cipher

A better format for PVP event might be getting points based on putting your base in certain systems(for certain amounts of time)

Then the high level players will go wild smacking each other, and the lower level players can safely mine without worry

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@nova sierra @potent cipher thank you for the update, please can we have more stuff like that it will do a lot to keep most people happy as we know that you see the issues, what your doing next and that we are not on our own.

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 4:08 PM

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@white axle Will do.

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@spare pewter Thanks for the feedback - and to the new points we are seeing, we are listening there too. Keep the feedback coming. 👍

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@nova sierra the value there is an exchange rate thing. I am going to ask if the rest of that convo addressed the issue though, or is there something you would like me to check for you.

haughty flint Jan 11, 2019, 4:17 PM

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@nova sierra what about giving players the ability to purchase smaller packs instead of forcing overpriced £100 packs? It literally makes no business sense.

bright mulch Jan 11, 2019, 4:38 PM

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@haughty flint @nova sierra Or make the packs cheaper to entice more volume sales.

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I feel like I get more by buying 4 $25 packs than 1 $100 pack

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but Scopely still gets $100

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Passing this to the team guys - thanks for the feedback on it.

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 4:42 PM

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see for me its slightly different, I wont buy packs at £100 I cant justify the cost to myself for a mobile game but I did buy the £20 packs, but now I cant do that so I dont buy any packs

haughty flint Jan 11, 2019, 4:43 PM

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either way, they get more money from more people

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the people buying £100 packs will still buy them

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 4:50 PM

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yup so more customers would = more income

pure walrus Jan 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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That's why most other games offer 1,99 or 3,99 Packs. It's easier to spend that little amount. In the end you mostly spend the same.

spring python Jan 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Is the game designed to stall growth on purpose? Logging in twice a day to refine without being able to grow any is very boring. I guess I could go smack around the smaller players but that is not really satisfying either.

pure walrus Jan 11, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@spring pythonit is

spring python Jan 11, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Hmmm... Slowing growth sometimes could be forgiven. It's this dead stall that makes me wonder why I'm here. Can't build, can't research, can't even complete my dailies. Wassup with that?

pure walrus Jan 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Game's designed for spending solely. Upgrading Ops costs more than one can achieve by collecting, pirating...

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Plus you can save more in P2P Safe space than your able to safe for yourself.

spring python Jan 11, 2019, 5:26 PM

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We have spenders in our alliance that say they get stalled too. I bought the jelly and some primes so I'm not pure f2p. But even people who spent thousands are getting really frustrated.

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I'm probabaly not saying anything new here.

pure walrus Jan 11, 2019, 5:28 PM

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My Vault 117k parsteel, my warehouse 84k, upgrading academy 143k...

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First two is max.

spring python Jan 11, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Well, when I started playing beginning of December I felt like this game had a pretty good balance between grind and play. Now it's becoming all grind and no play so I'm questioning it's existence in my life. If they can release the deathgrip and get things moving then maybe I'll stick around and buy a few more packs. But there's nochance that I'll spend another dollar for this.

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Remember everyone, you vote with your dollars. If you like this then by all means keep paying for it. But for now my wallet stays firmly shut.

white axle Jan 11, 2019, 6:57 PM

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https://www.appsflyer.com/resources/state-app-spending-global-benchmarks-data-study @nova sierra this link has a lot of data one the average spending habits on games as you can see this game is far above the average. I'd like to see a subscription type purchase, your pay say £10 but you get something every day (ore speed ups latinum etc) the value has to be better than packs in whole and loads of people would buy them. I know I would

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nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 7:38 PM

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the growth stall wouldn't be an issue if you had something to do in the mean time...raiding has no objective, no strategic value...just mayhem

dusty violet Jan 11, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Well it has value when they have resources. But yeah, otherwise you just check your miners and log off again.

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 7:40 PM

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EVE had the same growth stall, and it would come to months even a year of waiting...but u could occupy ur time with fun stuff

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and it was fuckin cheaper! :))

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 7:57 PM

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This is the second time i press recall, and after 2 seconds i get attacked!

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and other players in my alliance said it happened to them too

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so this is the CHANGE you were so proud about @nova sierra , @potent cipher ? no more running away?

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are you guys insane? are yout rying to make players quit???

dusty violet Jan 11, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Recall has always had like a 4s timer. You'll notice it says 'charging' after you hit it...as you charge your warp engines. People can attack you in that short window, so that you can't attack their base and then scoot away before they even have the chance to retaliate.

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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@dusty violet sorry, but i have never been able to attack a player once the pre-warp lights come on...those in fron of the ship...even if i was on top of him...but this happend to me today, twice....explain

warped roost Jan 11, 2019, 8:54 PM

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This has happened to me as well, after my warp countdown expires actually.. twice yesterday. I suspect it is related to a client to Server sync issue. The person attacking you most likely has sketchy service

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I reported it as a bug yesterday

dusty violet Jan 11, 2019, 9:06 PM

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I've always been able to hit players and be hit during the charge-up. There is a timer after you hit recall, you can watch for yourself, and you can be attacked during that timeframe.

warped roost Jan 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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I did say my timer had expired. I also saw a report from someone that they where halfway to a new system when attacked in old system. There is definitely an issue

thick drift Jan 11, 2019, 9:12 PM

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ty @nova sierra @potent cipher for the #⭐-official-announcements today. The community is crying out for regular updates like this. Please keep them up. I know they will be appreciated by @everyone.

nova sierra Jan 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Also not everyone wants to pvp.....can you set it up so there is a join event option....i cant get passed level 9 because i keep dying every damn 4 mins

thorny ridge Jan 12, 2019, 12:08 AM

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@nova sierra that’s what shields are for , bubble and ride out the whole 2 days

broken lotus Jan 12, 2019, 1:09 AM

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@nova sierra @nova sierra @nova sierra @nova sierra @nova sierra. You can fool most people some of the time, some people most of the time, but you can't fool all of the people at anytime. You guys are just scammers, I know it won't make any difference to point my that out but I'll say it anyway, just so you know that your petty scheming hasn't gone unnoticed. You are all a prime example of why this country is failing.

alpine knoll Jan 12, 2019, 3:09 AM

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@broken lotus "You are all a prime example of why this country is failing." Are you serious? It's just a game, you don't have to play or spend money on it. Making a product has no bearing on the well-being of a nation. If you sincerely think this, then you should read a couple of books on micro and macro-economics, then you should read up on what makes a business successful, followed by a history on CEO wage differences to their employees since the 1900s. Then you might have a better idea. The fact that Scopely chose to monetize the game in their own way is left entirely up to the consumer (you) to decide if you want to pay money. If you can't understand this simple concept, you better let someone else budget for you.

silent raft Jan 12, 2019, 3:11 AM

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While I agree that he's being a bit hyperbolic, his overall point isn't wrong. And if you think that exploitative and dishonest business practices have no bearing on the wellbeing of a nation, I have a bridge to sell you.

copper lake Jan 12, 2019, 3:14 AM

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I think packs that are bought should give our alliances uncommon, it would alleviate the paywall problem, and people wouldn’t get as angry about the difference between the spenders and non spenders as they could still progress

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Although I guess the F2P only alliances may suffer a bit, but it is not like they really see a difference anyways

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Every mobile game i played has this type of argument... P2w players are buying an Edge on f2p players, period! There is no such thing as a free lunch.

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While inthink much can be improvemed in this game, blaming thé People who spend some money, is not the right way

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@nova sierra who is blaming the paying players? what convo have you been reading?

copper girder Jan 12, 2019, 9:10 AM

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@nova sierra I have spent on this game a few hundreds, which is more than I spent on larger production for PC which are better engineered and better from a creative point of view, with acting, immersive stories, great graphics. Still I feel as a beggar in game because basic mechanics is broken. You buy a pack and solve one artificial loophole in he game only to get to the next. If you don’t spend an arm upgrading your ships you can’t complete your dailies and if you level up to get better chances at the refinery, the dailies also become more difficult, but you do not have the tools to do anything except buy another 99$ pack which will bring you to the next wall... and so it goes on

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The artificial lack of 3* uncommon crystal is not by chance. It is by design! You get of course gas and ore which you cannot yet spend until you shell out money to get the crystal and so it goes on.

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But instead of building a community of recurrent paying customers this creates a cash race to get more power and frustrates everyone in the end: the spenders because they gain only new hurdles and the f2p because they are stuck forever with no progression. And everyone in between of course.

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The problem is not that the game is designed to make you want to spend to get an edge. It is design to make you hate your life if don’t spend.

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 10:18 AM

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@copper girder and that, combined with the fact that there is nothing to do in between...except mine your mind away, it will lead to a mass exodus

copper girder Jan 12, 2019, 10:33 AM

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@nova sierra I fear the same, I have invested early in this game because I like it and I would like to keep playing it but the further you go the more unrefined it becomes, inconsistent missions, long wait times, impossible challenges. They need to have a consistent and clearly outlined progression path. I am all for offering speed ups and extra power if you spend but this is bad...

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 10:35 AM

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i'm invested too, for the same reasons...and despite their show of incompetence, i still hope that good things will come. this could be a great game, and a profitable one, but the realist in me knows the game will be killed

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many high spenders in my servers are bored...

vestal coral Jan 12, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Yep, definitely getting bored and the new prime packs are too expensive for the gain they provide!

haughty flint Jan 12, 2019, 11:40 AM

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I'm quickly becoming cured of this game. I've spent some money on the game as well, not stupid amount but I've spent it. There is an untold amount of bugs. This bad event which was only made worse, I'm level 16 and need to mine to progress anywhere. I can't even do that because literally every capable ship that passes destroys me. I can't fight most of them back because they are all way higher power level, mostly due to spending more money than I. If I spend more money, I'll barely get an extra level out of it. The pack's contents for very poor for the amount of money being charged. You can't even keep buying the cheaper packs because once you bought the £5 one, it's taken away forcing you to buy a £20 then £50 then £100 and so on. Quite a few players have a Jellyfish ship but that is only obtainable from an event which is no where to be seen, again leaving newer or non flush player at a big disadvantage again until reaching tier 3. That alone will no doubtedly take a month at least because of excessive timers and resources requirements that you can't even acquire, an still no more Jelly events! Then to shove a "Sale!" In your face for another £100 pack is disgusting. To make it all worse there is no acknowledgment to any of this and the communication to the community has been poor at best. You seem to be plainly ripping people off without the littlest bit of concern. Shame because the game actually has potential. I cannot see myself keeping this installed for much longer at all.

haughty flint Jan 12, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Also, there is actually nothing to do except mine or maybe pirate. The missions are stupidly hard for the level they are. A level 16 with a 10k Talla can't take out a 36k enemy, period. There is the ,donate a stupid amount of resources missions, also that don't even give a decent reward in comparison and of course it's nearly impossible to mine for it at the moment. Add content, fix things but most importantly admit the shortcomings and errors, have a plan and share it with us subject to productive feedback and move forward. Best be quick, otherwise, by the looks of most other people's opinions, you won't have any players to rip off and the content empty servers will be "customer" empty as well.

kindred cloak Jan 12, 2019, 12:20 PM

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@haughty flint Here you are not completely right if you don’t want to pay farmer experience, maps, cards of officers with NPS and you need to understand that the development in this game is designed for years and not for days and months

haughty flint Jan 12, 2019, 12:23 PM

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No, I completely understand that but it's a complete stand still at the moment. There is just nothing to keep people interested for years other than "shit, I've spent a load of money here and have to keep playing to justify it". Both p2w & f2p players are frustrated at this. A few big spenders have been complaining the same things as well.

copper girder Jan 12, 2019, 12:48 PM

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I all boils down to progress blockers like uncommon requirements for leveling up and stupidly difficult and badly designed missions and also lack there off. You have a great single player game till 15 then you are mission starved and resource starved. Between 15 and 25 you are doing dailies setting miners and you are done. Unless you pay stupid money or go pvp.

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 12:53 PM

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@kindred cloak only the lelevling up is designed for years...the meantime, is designed for fast gaming...that's the issue. I, myself, don't have a problem to spend a long time getting from one lvl to another, the idea is that i get to do stuff in the meanwhile.
right now...i got nothing. The missions do not reset or renewed, which means i can't complete the ones i have until i lvl up. the daily is starting to be undoable at a certain lvl, without paying, which is bad, cause the dailys are meant to be for everyone(in the mobile-gaming culture, anyway). The raids get boring fast, cause there is no actual objective besides killin and maybe raidin. There is no strategy whatsoever.
So, i'm left with mining, which gets old real fast.
Oh, almost forgot, because lvl-in up does not give ship power boost, but gives defence, we get to the point where not even base raiding is fesable, due to the lvl gap restrictions.

obsidian star Jan 12, 2019, 1:34 PM

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While I agree with much (most) of what has been posted recently, it's the mobile model currently. I am constantly amazed at the amount of money people can afford to spend on these games, but that is the way of things currently and no amount of wishing things were different is going to change it. I am happy with the "moderate" amount I have spent to date in terms of enjoying the game. Only the PvP event has caused me to play less, the paywall for me are the prime research packs and where most of my cash has gone on. However the Jellyfish feels almost game breaking as it needed to be bought and could not be farmed in game completely (75 blueprints seems to be the most anyone has farmed). Shop exclusives should be only slightly better in my opinion but as I have previously stated that is the current mobile business model.

obtuse adder Jan 12, 2019, 1:57 PM

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All go ideas and suggestion please my post need you

sly terrace Jan 12, 2019, 6:44 PM

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If they put a ship up tomorrow I’m buying it. You have too. Not buying the jelly set me too far back

fathom copper Jan 12, 2019, 7:24 PM

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hostiles need better rss drop and chest drop chance. Grinding hostiles will sometimes give you nothing or close to after repair

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 8:48 PM

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@fathom copper Just farm the right Hostiles xD

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I get atound 150k trita per day from them

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Lying devs, pay to win ships. Its been fun everyone. But i am out. Not going to spend money on a game like this. Too much wrong. Too much lying. And too many problems. Roddenberry is rolling in his grave over this atrocity of a money grab.

finite wolf Jan 12, 2019, 9:31 PM

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The uncommon drop rate needs to be adjusted or give the ability to re refine to convert to uncommon. The last 2 weeks I've only gotten 3 uncommon ore. My ship upgrade currently stuck

ebon thistle Jan 12, 2019, 9:48 PM

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kinda hard to finish 3 builds in one day when all the builds require 500 or so uncommon mats and all we get is like 60 a day

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dailys need to be adjusted there is no way to finish them at lv 20 and above when all your builds require uncommon drops and the refine system gives garbage for uncommon mats

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it literal breaks the progress of the game and is making people quit

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i know for myself if the uncommon rates arent fixed or the building mats required arent adjust ill be quiting myself

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its very stupid to get people stuck on leveling buildings and having a daily that requires 3 of them when we cant feasibly farm the mats or refine the total needed in one day just for 1 building

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my current lv 20 build requires 300 Uncommon refined gas...good luck seeing that many any time soon i barely get 10 if lucky refining..i have already stopped spending money cause its not worth it when the game purposely is designed to hold you back so much.

woeful panther Jan 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I missed my chance to buy a Jelly, any chance that opportunity is coming back?

carmine jay Jan 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Rumour has it yes @woeful panther but as your server develops they are of less value. If you are at level 20+ when it comes again, stick with 3*

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@ebon thistle the funny thing is that even if you had the mats. you couldn't do them unless you stop building the big ones, the ones that take more than a day, or if you buy latinum and speedups...
as i said, they made it so that even the daily needs cash.
I wander when they will charge us for warp or for system entry?

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when you have builds that take days you can lat rush low level collectors to collect the daily goals

ebon thistle Jan 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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still doesnt matter cause it takes days to get the uncommon mats

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and you cant lat rush those builds

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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no but i'm just saying for people who want to get the dailys keep collectors c & d as low as possible, it'll cost 10-20 lat for the par and speed ups which you will need

ebon thistle Jan 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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cant do that once all your builds are already lv 19 going on 20 and higher

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thats what im saying over lv 19 and 20 it starts getting impossible to fo the dailys cause of the uncommon mat requirements

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like right now it will be a good 4 or 5 days if not longer before i will be able to do the dailys again cause all the builds i have left require a ton of uncommon mats 300+ when yoru refinery if you get really really lucky you might proc a 120+ but mostly its 10 to 20 per if any

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and yea like that other person said they pretty much made it to where if you want to finish a daily which should be free to finish you have to spend premium currency to do it sure you could farm enough of the currency ....wait not really cause you get most of it from finishing the dailys lol

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 10:42 PM

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May I know which is true?

Do we really need level 28 shipyard to unlock the ship or just level 26 R&D. Calling out those with Horizons

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ebon thistle Jan 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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hmm i would say you can learn it at 26, but cant build it till 28 just my take

nova sierra Jan 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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I think when you research you get a set number of prints but not enough, if you can farm the rest you can build before shipyard 28

kindred cloak Jan 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

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@nova sierra hi, do you remember how much blueprint the fractional miner is worth, thanks

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Hmm @kindred cloak 100 bp at 150 each so 15,000 credits needed

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@ebon thistle what till u have builds that are 45 days for something so irrelevant it’s of no use yet you need it to progress or when docks require 5000 uncommon refined gas plus 500 rare gas to upgrade

kindred cloak Jan 13, 2019, 12:01 AM

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15k oh

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Yep same for the other faction miners

kindred cloak Jan 13, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Thanks

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:01 AM

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No worries

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:13 AM

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@thorny ridge and thats when i quit no game is worth waiting 45 days for a common build not even an ops is worth that wait , its just like vikings clan of war buildings taking 2, 3, 4, 5, months or the reason i quit my main building having a build time of 365 days, im all for builds slowing progression some but at most 3weeks this game will be turned off before any F2P player even reaches 50

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Even if i was yo pay to complete it using latinum 15,500 or if I buy research speed up packs $5200 and that’s for a parsteel warehouse lol hate to see what ops or research takes lol

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:17 AM

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im going to bet they used the same coding as vikings based on my current timers i would be right im willing to bet a 45 to 50 ops will be around 365 days build time if not an even lower level taking that long

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i know i hit that timer around level 35 in vikings

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if i hit timers like that ill be gone i will lose intreast and move on to another game

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:19 AM

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It’s crazy fair enough slow it down but for me now all I’m doing is log on swap miners every 12 hours , daily’s are impossible at my level literally only ones that can be achieved are chest ones rest are not achievable

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:19 AM

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whats your level ?

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Even pvp was a joke at my level I couldn’t get points for hitting 2 levels below

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35

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So pvp was useless no one at my level or above

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:20 AM

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yea i bet , im already hitting the uncommon brick wall trying to get to 20

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the problem i see is P2W which i am but im not a whale im more a dolphin will out pace the F2P and have no one to play with and get bored of waiting on build timers , ive already decided im not spending another dime on this game , which is bad ...if i stop paying to play which i have means the game is bad

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Yep atleast pre there 50th official release you could go through the 20’s ok yes it took time and shit loads of res but refine rates have decent drops and you could line at a good rate , to repair my enterprise for lvl 42 combat mission will take 192 days to mine enough trit

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:21 AM

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i cant get uncommons at all , at most i get 20 a day and have builds that need 300

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Pre merge it was a days mine to repair which is fair for a epic ship 🛳

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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they have made a game which most of the player base will be gone in a month because of the painfully slow progression

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Yep I get around 20 a day as well and my refine level is a lot higher but same drops , my next upgrade needs 5000 uncommon alone 😦

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:23 AM

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this game is dead in a month , 2 maybe 3 tops at least for the F2P and small spenders , the whales might stay a bit longer but with no one to play with they will leave too and its all cause of the stupid ass progression system

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i havent been able to upgrade my ships or buildings in a week cause of uncommons needed but oh well thats the way they want it ....there is already a ton of abandon bases on my server and will be alot more soon , most are already saying they are quiting cause support isnt answering their tickets, we have a player that lost 100$ buying a pack they didnt recieve and support hasnt even bothered to answer her ticket, i told her to notifiy google and to have her bank reverse charge it

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:26 AM

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At least they fixed uhura ship boosts , and in the same update stuffed epic Kirk and rare Spock’s boosts they don’t work now , coders must think it’s April first

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:27 AM

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and release a new officer in the last event that doesnt even work

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Yep that officer never worked before either

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Prior to this release

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And they killed Hadley he used to boost warp range now he doesn’t

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:28 AM

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CBS needs to pull the licenses on companys that pull this shit

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ill stick around for a little bit playing F2P and see if they fix anything if not ill most likely be gone

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I hold out hope but scopely support is worse that what original devs digpm where and that’s scary

ebon thistle Jan 13, 2019, 12:43 AM

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ya ill stick around for a little bit see if they rebalance things if not ill be gone

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 1:25 AM

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@nova sierra the lvl 28 is wrong, you can fully build it at 26

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Thanks @nova sierra

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This should be changed. confusing

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@nova sierra research gives you 100% of the horizon BPs

vestal pilot Jan 13, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Im vrry displeased with the admin spam

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Really, why would you spam us with a scam website

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Honestly this is the most disgusting thing about stfc. Not only is the pay to win an incredibly inefficient pay to win system, but ADMIN spams us with a scam website in chat all day

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Pls stop scopely

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(Hope you read this)

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Could it be just someone who named himself admin

spare pewter Jan 13, 2019, 3:35 AM

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😂😂😂

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 5:30 AM

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There are still a lot of bugs in the game. Mostly a restart will fix them. The biggest one seems to be where it keeps giving prizes you all ready won but don’t get again

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However still fun enough to keep playing.

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This last event would lock on attacking a base multiple times and kick u. So game restarted while getting attacked back. 🥺

obsidian star Jan 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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The PvP event was the first time I didn't enjoy this game, I mine and raid players but this just encouraged players to sit in base and put a shield up. So less targets

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Its usually a good time to have a break during such an event, if you dont enjoy it

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Even though sounds like your alliance is not one that is very supportive

wicked jetty Jan 13, 2019, 9:22 AM

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@nova sierra getting new officers is a lot more fun when they actually work. Im sick of using my cadets for everything 😢 any update on when the rest of them can join my crew?

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 9:39 AM

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The refine rate on uncommon and rare resources is ridiculously low based on how many are required for upgrading buildings, ships, and doing research... needing over 500 uncommon for 1 tier up of a ship, but only getting 0-12 a day is beyond crazy.

jolly citrus Jan 13, 2019, 10:05 AM

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I thought 300 was bad.

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What the hell is 500 lol

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 11:20 AM

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what strikes me the most, and what shows the level of competence(or lack there off) is the fact that thei created an alliance based game, with basic chat options. It's like building a race car with only 2 gears.
How unable to grasp basic concepts must you be, to not realize that the game needed a comprehensive comunication system? They had more than a year, AND NO ONE THOUGHT OF THAT!
And to top it all...they are advertising the officers, when they still haven't fixed them!
How can they be called anything else but stupid?

crude kindle Jan 13, 2019, 11:50 AM

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@nova sierra dude, they joined discord. Says it all.

fathom copper Jan 13, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Pretty sure that everyone including the ppl ad scopely know that they fucked this op pretty hard. Nevertheless they need to pay the ppl that work there on this game so they just try to make what ever money they can.

crude kindle Jan 13, 2019, 12:52 PM

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@fathom copper sooner or later they'll work out that we actually like the game and be willing to spend $$$, they just gotta fix it.

fathom copper Jan 13, 2019, 12:58 PM

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problem is most off the player base already moved on because the literally stole ppl money after the merge, when ppl lost the rss and stuff they payed for. But agree the game has potential beyond what the scopely can handle atm

haughty flint Jan 13, 2019, 1:14 PM

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After all that the other day, I wake up today to find my station destroyed. I had 150k-750k of the various resources. I'm now down to 5-10k of each resources. So the station has obviously been getting a good battering. No notification about being attacked and no battle report as to who has been doing it. So basically the money I've put in has been given to another player(s) and the inability to get resources over that stupid fucking PVP event has left me with fuck all. I'm done. Fuck this peice of shit game an the wanker devs who don't give a single shit about any player, only money. @nova sierra @potent cipher no communication nothing. Fuck right off. Oh and claiming refunds from Google have been successful for the last 2 weeks. I'll make sure you are getting deserved reviews everywhere as well. Disgusting.

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Did you have your shield on? If not this is on you... what do the devs have todo with you getting zeroed by another player. You are correct.... probably should just quit.

lusty kindle Jan 13, 2019, 1:48 PM

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@tough beacon He has a point it's not about getting zerod. But about getting notifications after 10 min, what in some cases is allready to late.

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Of course you should always protect your self by using a shield when going to sleep.

haughty flint Jan 13, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I did have a 4 hour shield up but obviously that wasn't long enough. Either the point isn't getting destroyed but the fact that there was no notification and no battle log as to who it was. To take that many resources means it must of gone on for ages. That is my point. The game is just completely broken and they don't care.

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@tough beacon I don't need your shitty attitude either so thanks for your sarcastic and worthless input.

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 2:29 PM

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@haughty flint is the problem so that you didnt get notification or a report? Obviously you were not online and nevertheless you’d been fully raided.

App to mobile-os notifications is apparently very hard to get ”real time” as this is not scopelys problem solely, but many other games too.

lusty kindle Jan 13, 2019, 2:31 PM

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@nova sierra I disagree. Why if for example your ship/miner gets destroyed you do get notification? And I've played alot of games in my life and you always get a notification if getting attacked while you are offline. The point is that you do get notification, but after 10 minutes. And yes sometimes reports are missing..

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 2:35 PM

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@lusty kindle as I said apparently it is hard to get working properly as many games and apps suffer of it. Probably doable, though, as some games have it well done. Reports are almost always missing, thats a fact. Maybe one day they’ll work.

haughty flint Jan 13, 2019, 2:36 PM

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I didnt get either but I got a notification saying my warehouse was full. Ive had the notification on previous attacks etc and had battle reports but neither this time.

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Yup. Not saying it isn’t fucked up and so on.

lusty kindle Jan 13, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Yes it sucks

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 3:43 PM

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I don’t have a “shitty Attitude” ... you are complaining because you got attacked. I am not discounting the bug about notification. That has happened to me also. But the context of your post was a little cry babyish... if my comment trigger you then this is the game for you. I recommend a safe space where you can get free pizza and smell puppy breath.

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It’s kind of like driving your car with the fuel low warning light on. The dash says you have 25 miles left but you keep driving and ignore the light... then you run out of gas and blame the car manufacturer because you should have gotten more mileage with the light on.

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Here is my constructive advise ... use a 8 hour shield

gentle trail Jan 13, 2019, 3:47 PM

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it's actually nothing like that at all. He's complaining about the lack of information, not that it's there and he ignored it

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 3:49 PM

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You are correct Chein... “ F this piece of Shit game and wanker Devs” does not sound babyish at all... I take it all back

rare storm Jan 13, 2019, 4:38 PM

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If devs do read this, here’s my review:
Pos buggy cash grab. Play can be summarized as 2 days of interesting play followed by watching upgrade timers, watching miners, hoping to get uncommon resources from refinery but rarely ever getting them which of course leads to more mining. Pretty much unless you’re willing to spend a few hundred there’s only 2 days of buggy material available. The rest requires lvl20 and t3 ships to realistically accomplish. So much about the game either doesn’t work or is crazy unbalanced. You tricked me into buying one of the $5 starter packs but don’t expect a penny more. This pos is barely what I would consider a beta release. If it lasts another 6 month I’d be shocked. No one wants to play watch the timer.

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I am not a fan boy . This game has some bugs, and most of it based on changes they made going from beta to full release. There is supposed to be a major update at the end of January. We will see what that brings.
One thing is for sure.... This is not a free to play game. If I had to throw a number at it i would say minimum $25 a month for a steady progression... to be competitive you are probably looking at $100 per month. Don’t try to keep up with Whales... you won’t.
I am level 24 and I spent $800. There are guys /girls that have sown 5-6 times as me.
Is what it is , but if don’t want to spend money or don’t have patience for them to work out the kinks in this newly launched game, I would quit now... will never get better for you.

dense glen Jan 13, 2019, 5:13 PM

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@tough beacon $100 a month doesn't even cut it. When you hit level 25/26, an ultra pack a the moment may buy you 1-2 module/component upgrade. For those of you in the game that are lower....stay there and don't buy your way forward. There's nothing up here for you unless you're willing to spend $1,000 a month. Its impossible to make progress without paying insane amounts.

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I agree in the sense that in order to get G3 uncommon to tier your ships and get higher level bases. I was referring to the new person just starting...
Supposed a new ship and g3 refining changes coming Futile... let’s hope for the best. One thing is for sure I will try my hardest to get to 26, because of the impact on the refinery and getting the horizon.... after that.... it sure unless there are major changes.... I will not spend $1000 a month.... I would buy a third car instead for that much.

dense glen Jan 13, 2019, 5:22 PM

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@nova sierra There has to be a path forward...even a slow grinding path...for F2P players. You have absolutely none. They hit level 19 and stop. Then there bases get raided by P2P players or they're bored out of their minds and they leave in masse.
There has to be 3 levels and all have to be able to progress: F2P (slow grind but visible progress), P2P moderate (some $5-$25 a month subscription that gives daily rss if you log in and claim it, with moderate progress), and P2P whale (your $99 ultra packs which should not be filled with useless rss but enable fast advancement at every level). Right no you have 1: P2P whale and even that road has a massive wall at level 28.

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@tough beacon exactly. and I honestly am hoping they figure it out.

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 5:27 PM

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The bones of the game are great. I do enjoy it.

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I don’t mind spending $100-$200 a month, but at level 24-25 that just gets you the resources to repair your ships.

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For you lower level people... every time I get a PVP ship sent home it is 100k tritanium and hours of repair. When you get to the enterprise level ships .... millions of tritanium and days to repair

rare storm Jan 13, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I should’ve clarified in my earlier post. I’m not new to this genre. There are at least a dozen games with the same format but different skin. I don’t expect this to be free to play but other devs have shown more interest and open discourse even at launch. My biggest issue is the persistence of glitches with no real communication. The absolute lack of innovation. If anything, they’ve removed functionality (at least in other games I can recall my army before it gets to its target). Are they really telling us a starship can’t receive communication while at warp? That kinda stuff just speaks to lazy programming. The community needs a gesture of good will from the devs with a message about planned improvements or fixes in the pipeline (e.g. a free tech upgrade or something, not 1/10th of a broken crew member or 1bp of a ship they won’t ever actually get). If they continue to take the community for granted there won’t be anyone left in 6months.

carmine jay Jan 13, 2019, 5:50 PM

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@tough beacon 100k trit for repair? U sure? My 110k Vahklas is 4k trit to repair. U mustve missed research.

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I dont have prime repair either.

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I am not fully researched... I have room to improve

carmine jay Jan 13, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Ok, cool

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It gets better 👍

bronze basin Jan 13, 2019, 6:51 PM

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@rare storm you have to remember scopely purchased an unfinished game and pushed it out a few weeks later with massive advertising

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They have the sole interest of making millions back and moving on

tough beacon Jan 13, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Maybe I am a optimist... if we give them time, since it has only been like 60 days, they will fix some of the issues.
Again let’s see what happens in that patch scheduled for the end of this month.
I could be dead wrong, but you never know.

lean python Jan 13, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Is this where I can give feedback that the devs will see? There are a couple accounts with the username ADMIN that are bots dropping scam links in the chats. I’ve reported and blocked both, as have other people, but we keep seeing people come in having fallen for it. These accounts need to be purged and ADMIN needs to be placed on a reserved list that can’t be included in a username.

wicked jetty Jan 13, 2019, 7:11 PM

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They Purge them pretty frequently, right now there doesn't seem to be ANY filter on captain name

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Lol 100k trit to repair I wish it was that horizon with fully maxed repair cost reduction is 298k trit faction miners min 400k trit and rare ships eg intrepid 1.6m trit epic ships 2-5m trit , once you get to lvl 30 in current game state a few players have worked out it will cost around $5k to upgrade per level or over a year in mining , game just needs mining tweaks and a better refinery drop rate and it’s playable at present once you hit the epic paywall around lvl 26 there is no progression unless spending thousands on thousands

lean python Jan 13, 2019, 7:45 PM

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The filter in chat is hilarious, too. Have you tried typing piranha?

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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@thorny ridge i wouldn't mind this kind of wait...if there was something to that year....

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Player developmment mustn't be only vertical...it can also be horizontal, if u understand my meaning

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 8:07 PM

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There’s nothing missions left are un achievable enterprise maxed which I have is 1.6m power and enemy ship I need to beat is 5.2m so even the best ship cannotbeat it and that’s 1 example of 8 missions I’m stuck on

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Even what few upgrades I have to reach my level are over priced res wise and cannot be done with out $$$$$$&& and lots of it

nova sierra Jan 13, 2019, 8:08 PM

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That is one of the problems that can kill a game

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I am a fan of EVE, and if u know the game, u know the time it takes to lvl up

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I don't think there is a player who managed, and it's more than 10 years already

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But...u got tonns of shit to do...and it's fucking cheaper

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 8:11 PM

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A simple parsteel warehouse upgrade from 34-35 wants 260m trit , 1000 uncommon refined gas and 96 days lol

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33-34 was only 16m trit and no gas and 6 days

novel yoke Jan 13, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Build / repair costs and build / repair times are rediculous, half a month to tier up a ship means your probably not going play as much especially as you can't swap that ship out to your shipyard and res requirement the higher you go are a joke especially given that your mining and refining rates don't increase

thorny ridge Jan 13, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Used to be fine lol

fathom copper Jan 13, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Problem is that to many ppl keep spending, if no one spend then they would properly start make changes. I stopped spending long time ago, after i figured out the game is balanced worse then a Alpha stage game

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ofc also because they robbed my account for rss efter the server merger

keen bobcat Jan 13, 2019, 11:49 PM

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There does need to be more of a balance for F2P an P2P players. Yes P2P will level up quicker and get the better ships quicker but F2P players shouldn't be held up due to not being able to get the res required to level up. I've had 8 uncommon ore over the last 2 week's a player who spends money has levelled up his ship to the max in that time as his brought the res required to do so there is lots of work they need to do to make the game better but the question is will they do this work will they ask the people who actually know what needs to be done or will they do what they want

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 3:50 AM

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In any business, profit margins, overhead costs, employee wages....set the price point too high the business will fail, set the price point to low the business wont cover costs, the three bears and the right choice, Once the price point has been set, and if its then lowered, those who have played the high price will give push back....here's the quandary.. where is just right

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nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I’m sorry but the vault of latinum looks like a shit deal

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Heres the difference same price for less than half the return

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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You might as well get the ultra station pack because it gives more latonum and resources

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Ik its such bullshit

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It should be like 10k latinum

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Yes little things but a clear choice

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 3:59 AM

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What level r u

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 4:00 AM

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22 but the level is not the concern the cost and return varies greatly

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I don’t have enough money for games

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So I’m lvl 17 but I haven’t spent any

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So ye

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If I had extra money for games I’d spend but I gotta pay my bills first

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In fact I was out two days from work yesterday cause I just got into a car accident so I’m in the hospital so I gotta pay these bills I'm gonna be sick atter

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 4:01 AM

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So I thought I would hold off on spending a couple of grand till a few things are sorted

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Ye

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I only have the $10 packs

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I haven’t unlocked those hundred packs

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 4:03 AM

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👍

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Got any spots for the jelly

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Jelly ? Do you mean for getting jellyfish blueprints? I have 74 blueprints I need 1 more, I didn't buy when the offer was on, so I think the jellies has been locked out for those who didn't buy ,

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Hopefully I'm wrong

twilit slate Jan 14, 2019, 6:16 AM

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I think someone said you can hit some hostiles to get a jelly bp drop - takes heaps of hits though

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 6:17 AM

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O good do you know which level

twilit slate Jan 14, 2019, 6:18 AM

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may be level 28+, I will see if I can find it

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 7:00 AM

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@teal pier dude I got 29 from an event and found a few can you help me find them

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Or

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 7:27 AM

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What level are @nova sierra

nova sierra Jan 14, 2019, 7:27 AM

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18

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@teal pier I'm 18

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Why

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@teal pier teach me the ways of how it can get it

teal pier Jan 14, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Follow the missions @nova sierra that's where I got them at your level too