#💬-general-feedback | Star Trek Fleet Command | Page 143

woeful lintel Dec 16, 2018, 2:45 PM

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I think the biggest hurdle in getting someone into one of these jobs is trying to find people who are willing to put up with upset Trekkies. 😛

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JB has handled it with grace, and that's something that's harder to teach than game mechanics.

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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I do have to give that to them... They may not know what server has what instance and conditions, but to deal with us die hards is a hard job...

vagrant creek Dec 16, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Yes dealing with you is difficult moc lol

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Lol im lucky at least one person choses to... lol

vagrant creek Dec 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Hah

supple bluff Dec 16, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@potent cipher

It is a pity that TESTING PROGRAM MODS don't "go through proper process"

📎 Screenshot_20181217_052639.jpg

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Six days… Zero grade 3 uncommon from my refinery… And I need about 320 to teir up my ship

I need 80 level up my hanger

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How do they expect people to play this way?

shell epoch Dec 16, 2018, 8:31 PM

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ye i cant get it either

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:36 PM

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@nova sierra they expect you to raid, swap alliances and hit the big whales to get it all...

Raiding gets resources for base building quickly...
Swapping alliances gives you more than one group to help you...
And hitting the big whales can give you decent loot boxes...

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:36 PM

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None of that gives you uncommon material

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Not an honourable Klingon life, nor something a respectful federation members..

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The loot boxes do...

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Refined

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:37 PM

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I never got a single uncommon from a loot box

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I don’t even get common refined from loot boxes

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:37 PM

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I spent a over a month getting 150 refined ore through the refinery... got the last 50 by baiting a level 32 player... I am level 23...

shell epoch Dec 16, 2018, 8:38 PM

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ye never gotten ores from players

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:38 PM

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@naive yoke Yeah but you guys played on the founders servers

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New servers are very unforgiving

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Yeah there would not be any level 30s on your server hey?

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:39 PM

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No 25 is the highest and I’m 24

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No one can progress past 24/ 25 because nothing is dropping uncommon.

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The level 25 guy spent $500 to go from level 24 to 25

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It’s not refining… It’s not dropping in loot boxes… So I don’t know what they expect us to do… And paying $500 for a one level is absolutely absurd

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Well that is just more terrible game design...

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And Ferengi economics... 😡

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Exactly… That refinery should be dropping at least 5 to 10 uncommon per day

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:42 PM

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The whole game needs a new set of devs to take over...

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Plenty of other stuff to slow people down

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:42 PM

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This one doesn't have a plan that works as a game, let alone a PVP game...

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Everything got nerfed in November, and then nerfed again in December...

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It's such a grind...

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Well a good way to run your product into the ground LOL

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Yeah hey... when die hard trekkies have gone to lengths we have to save our galaxies, and we are questioning the longevity of the game, it is not a good sign...

@nova sierra send the above thoughts to the devs...

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 8:46 PM

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People start getting refunds… They stop paying. The game goes under… And people lose their jobs

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So it doesn’t make sense why they don’t put a better effort into it

manic sundial Dec 16, 2018, 8:57 PM

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I'm close to refunding, €35 not much of course but still

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I'll wait for a few days and see how it goes, but don't think it will get better

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they had the chance to fix alot of gameplay wise bugs, but didn't fixed much

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 9:00 PM

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@nova sierra money is quicker to make for the top of the hierarchy... the rest do not matter...

Like the problem we have with space whale raiders...

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 9:01 PM

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@naive yoke Yeah but even the top hierarchy can’t afford to go past level 25/26

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On the new servers, once you pass 25 it’s $500 per level and that grows exponentially

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 9:01 PM

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I meant within Scopely

nova sierra Dec 16, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Oh lol

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Oh yeah I’m sure some their developers don’t mean much to them

naive yoke Dec 16, 2018, 9:01 PM

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They will make their money regardless of how many jobs are lost...

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Exactly... There is always an unemployed game developer that can brought in as a replacement...

flat ivy Dec 17, 2018, 2:15 AM

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@naive yoke
No point starting a new job somewhere if you know it's going to close in under 3 months..

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:28 AM

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@sythe179#4803 lol

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 1:01 PM

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naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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@shrewd escarp bahahahahaha @nova sierra so true

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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I've nee in a discussion with support for 5 days

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i've been posting it on my discord .. it is so funny

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every day at the same time

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A new support member gets in touch and says "can you post a screen shot"? and we will take care of it

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I've now posted 12 screenshots over 5 days had 4 conversations with Mellisa, Troy, Caleb and smeone else.. everytime the same thing

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Once I get a response

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i have to wait 24 hours

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for the next one to ask me the same questions I've answered before

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All I want it.. to fix the event bug

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I did the ops 20 event and I didnt receive th rewards it just disappeared.. Lol they simply can't help or something

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:03 PM

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@shrewd escarp i tried for 3 weeks.., @nova sierra and @potent cipher are just as good as the in game support staff...

Completely unaware of what is going on...

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And useless as a result

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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I think it is just bunch of like telemarketers/support chappl

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ppl

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You question goes into a Que of questions.. that then get picked up by whoever is on duty

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and they just copy and paste the same responses

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it is so weird

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Yeah... barely trained in game dev support if at all..

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It's the worst support staff I have ever come across...

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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I mean.. How hard it is it see that I was ops 19 on day 1 of the event and now i'm ops 20.. and I didnt recieve any rewards cuz all my officer shards and resoruces are the same

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Like.. come on..

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5 dayss.. ugg

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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The average telemarketer at least knows what theh are selling

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That's their MO... pretend to listen, then do the opposite of what they should of,.,

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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It think its more

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the support have no power to handle complex issues

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if they are problems server side

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there is just no.. translation to programmers

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except maybe at the monthly feedback

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it is like talking to a cashier who is just like "I just work here man I dont make the rules"

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I've seen other people's posted responses about similar issues.. such as the urtha shard problem

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Scopely literally copied and pasted each response to everyone who asked

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the whole "we understand it is upsetting.." or whatever... exact same message to every 200 of my alliance members

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and then signed the bottom.. whata waste f time

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credit that was fixed.. but i believe it was a push from programmers to fix it on server side.. they could just make an in game annoucnment about it

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Yesturday at9

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Yesturday at 9:27 am I got a response from Mellisa.. at the end she says "I'll be waiting se we can solve this as soon as possible"\

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I responded at 9:35 am

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it is now 9:10 am (24 hours later..) lmao

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I feel like each support person has a "copy and paste" answer and then at the bottom is a custom "signature" they add with thier name

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Yeah... It's a bunch of monkeys at a typewriter...

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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I almost never bother/get upset or whatever.. I mean I held my patience for 5 days.. but now its just getting stupid

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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It's just laughably bad...

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I snapped after 3 weeks lol

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Then tried to be a good member, and then support shafted me again...

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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100% feel like they will get back to me today saying "we understand you have a problem.. can you.. Clear the cache, give us a screen shot.. add more details" LMAO.. all the go tos (all of which I have done.. I even sent in a time line all every action I've taken before the event and right afterwards..) I've told them I can provide no more info than what is above ( 12 screenshots .. come on)

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Yeah it is beyond a joke

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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everytime i have to wait 24 hours after something stupid like that.. which i've answered above already

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gdishjidsgjldsjlds 😦

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:14 PM

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One message leads to another wait, to another message to another wait... rinse and repeat...

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Which is why I'm starting to believe the support staff can't really handle anything more than a simple problem on a sheet.. anything complex is like " we need so much info we need to verify cuz devs dont trust us.. " Can you not just look at the account >< I don't mind I'd give u permission so you can see lol.. I would be they are just university interns ..

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:16 PM

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The dev staff cant handle basic maths... So you cant expect a lot from support...

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Yeah didn't realize this till after talking with them.. I mean I feel for them.. it isn't thier fault its a bad design setup.. I should just ask to speak to a manager.. lol like i do with them telemarketers

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Anyways.. I feel bad airing it out in public chat like this.. I just don't know what else to do.. 😢

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Yeah I feel ya frustration... It's just like no one anywhere within the company has a clue what they are doing...

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:29 PM

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RIP 1 min over 24 hour response.. I guess that the end.. Google said that based on the convo they will issue a full refund. I told em I'd wait 24 hours for a response

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so that then end of my time with this game.. back to spending thousands of dollars on candy crush 😂

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:31 PM

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I think Apple will pull this BETA game soon as well...

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And lol the pvp is better in candy crush

shrewd escarp Dec 17, 2018, 2:33 PM

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When I sent my matter to google they just said "yes this game has recieve so many issues, if you would like we will issue a full refund, you do not need to send details".. Lol Suddenly I remember why google is.. Google 😛

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amyways i ranted enough I don't like to be negative.. so.. that is it.. at least people will know why we left lol.. cya man gg

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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@shrewd escarp take it easy...

manic sundial Dec 17, 2018, 3:16 PM

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That google already says the game received many complaints/issue's it can't be good, I think the stores should remove the game or put up a notice that the game still has alot of problems

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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This is a BETA game for coin sluts and trolls...

manic sundial Dec 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I give them 1 week, after that i'm gonna refund my money back from apple if nothing gonna change

naive yoke Dec 17, 2018, 3:46 PM

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@manic sundial apparently we are done for updates for the year...

So might as well save yourself from waiting...

manic sundial Dec 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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We don't even have proper patchnotes seems the communication internal is also not that good

bright mulch Dec 17, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Anyone have any response from Apple store in seeking restitution?

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Is there a process?

proud oracle Dec 17, 2018, 6:16 PM

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https://www.imore.com/how-to-get-refund-itunes-app-store

iMore

How to get a refund for iTunes or App Store purchases

How you get a refund for iTunes or App Store purchases and in-app purchases isn't obvious, but it is possible!

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@bright mulch

manic sundial Dec 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Thanks for the link @proud oracle I will remember this one

proud oracle Dec 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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If you bought multiple packs then go here for Android devices: https://support.google.com/pay/contact/general_email?visit_id=636806667481238857-770362175&rd=1

nova sierra Dec 17, 2018, 10:45 PM

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I think it’s funny were supposed to hear more from the developers & the community manager… Yet they didn’t respond at all in Discord today

odd berry Dec 17, 2018, 11:06 PM

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they did @nova sierra they just dont put ennergie into tolls all day

manic sundial Dec 17, 2018, 11:15 PM

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They did but didn't respond with any concrete information

proud oracle Dec 17, 2018, 11:36 PM

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@nova sierra they quit

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@manic sundial Check the job listings for Scopely, they have no community manager

nova sierra Dec 17, 2018, 11:36 PM

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@proud oracle They just hired a new one last week

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Maybe They haven’t updated their job listings

proud oracle Dec 17, 2018, 11:37 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517460905987014683/524343617125613590/unknown.png

nova sierra Dec 17, 2018, 11:37 PM

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@proud oracle That’s been up there for the past three weeks

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And they hired somebody last week

proud oracle Dec 17, 2018, 11:38 PM

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https://scopely.com/join-us/

Scopely

Join Us - Scopely

Are you passionate about mobile gaming? Do you want to work in a rewarding environment with other incredibly talented people just like yourself? Do you play to win? Come embrace the adventure with us!

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they are basically hiring on all fronts. Mostly manager positions

elder mason Dec 17, 2018, 11:57 PM

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@potent cipher @Q2 https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekfleetcommand/comments/a6zg5v/thanks_for_brief_game/

r/startrekfleetcommand - Thanks For Brief Game

14 votes and 8 comments so far on Reddit

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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@potent cipher @nova sierra https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekfleetcommand/comments/a52qkw/psa_stay_away_this_game_is_a_total_scam/

r/startrekfleetcommand - PSA: STAY AWAY! This game is a total scam.

53 votes and 67 comments so far on Reddit

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Things aren't getting changed in the near future, because of the spending that happens, and of course every game dev developer deserve money, but not a dev such as Scopely which it seems already has a bad reputation of making paywall almost so high as The Wall in GOT, too bad we only have @potent cipher on here because the only thing she can do is pass on our feedback/complaints and that's it(no offense JB) anyway, the current game design is right now very bad, the amount of microtransaction, unbalances, RNG being very shit, and of course the amount of bugs, the only thing you can make things happen is with your wallet, I said it in Timelines, even at the forums there, and see how it turned out, nothing changed, however Scopely should learn from Disrupterbeam(Devs from Star Trek timelines) how you should make a game, they didn't release a broken game, they even give you things if there are gameplay bugs which hinder your progress, Oh, and support are also far better since they don't use automated responses like Scopely do, I really dislike how you handled this and ruining an IP. I'm already close to refunding and there is a 50/50 chance i'm gonna stop playing.

supple bluff Dec 18, 2018, 2:53 AM

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@manic sundial
Only 50/50?

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I am already refunding all :p

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I got my friends to refund a total of about $2000 USD so far

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 2:56 AM

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@supple bluff Thinking hard about it, but refunding is almost a certainty

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Since Apple and Google already has some complaints about this game then refunding should be easy

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 2:58 AM

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yup

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 2:59 AM

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$2000, damn, that's fully fledged Game PC 😛

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 3:00 AM

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We are also the top players in our specific server lol

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 3:01 AM

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Yeah, but still that's alot of money

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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indeed

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 3:03 AM

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If more people refund, the devs will finally see that there is something wrong

supple bluff Dec 18, 2018, 3:05 AM

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@manic sundial
You would think they would already have some indication of that already just from this official Discord channel.

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 3:05 AM

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Nah, I think not, since Scopely isn't part of the dev team

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They have a tag shown in #509679626763632642 but no one is associated with it

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 3:09 AM

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lmao

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 3:12 AM

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yeah like we add to give people some false impression that there are devs around 😄

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 3:34 AM

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@bright mulch They reference this on their official channels

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 3:44 AM

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@bright mulch is the other Discord owned by Scopely?

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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!? there are 2! 😂

bright mulch Dec 18, 2018, 4:47 AM

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💯

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 4:54 AM

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@bright mulch That is very odd

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Just the one Discord guys. Also, I'm still here. (Morning)

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 10:15 AM

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@nova sierra Thanks for the clarification... I already have too many!

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 10:16 AM

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@azure holly Ha! Yeah, that happens.

fathom copper Dec 18, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Drop rate from grind need to be higher, overall the game need more "everyday" not p2w content

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Well we just got a notification on our server that it’s going down for maintenance in a half an hour

fathom copper Dec 18, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Raids, no paywall or timewalls

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Skill based combat system

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 12:32 PM

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@manic sundial Trust me, STT player support uses automated responses. Ever wondered why they're always calling you "Captain"? Yeeeeaaahh, that's either automated or copy-paste. I once got a copy paste that included the quotation marks.

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it was great. didn't even apply to my situation. they also change ticket names so they'll run through the auto thing better.

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 12:35 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463426453015494660/524273366815866891/Screenshot_20181217-171444_Star_Trek_Fleet_Command.jpg

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I know Glenys is trying to get in to the role/universe but responses like that infuriate me for some reason

remote temple Dec 18, 2018, 12:37 PM

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@nova sierra 100% cut the BS and just give a reasonable timeframe when (if ever ) those issues will be fixed

subtle briar Dec 18, 2018, 12:39 PM

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I call that “Get a second bag of sand so you can pound with both fists.”.

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 12:40 PM

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Is that the message about the shards/uhura

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@woeful lintel the captain part is indeed automated but it most of it is typed by a support person

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 12:42 PM

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yeah, i have the shards to upgrade but can't because of the error

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 12:43 PM

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Ah, that took some time to get back to you as scopely said, very curious when they will get back with a solution

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 12:47 PM

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23.5hour wait for a non-response

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 12:51 PM

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@nova sierra know it all too well... lol

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Well here’s my feedback… The server maintenance and patch today is virtually useless… End of story

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Basically nothing of substance was done

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And Q2 just told everybody officers won’t be fixed until later in January

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 12:57 PM

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lol, priority all about priority and it seems new players who will get overunn by P2W players anyway

lavish prism Dec 18, 2018, 12:58 PM

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Yeah. P2W player running over on new player is big issue.

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Lot of complain

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Hopeful those will tell those miner killer pest that it is pointless to farm on Fortunate miner 😃

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 1:06 PM

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they should shield you for 24 hours upon starting

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 1:17 PM

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No one can attack you with in the first 24 hours anyway unless you manage to get level 10 in 24 hours

gloomy oasis Dec 18, 2018, 1:25 PM

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It's doable @bear

stiff kelp Dec 18, 2018, 1:35 PM

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the station combat is level 15, so that means managing to get to level 15 in 24 hours

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and even if you do the popup when you build ops 15 is clear enough

shrewd escarp Dec 18, 2018, 2:12 PM

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So the solved one problem but obviously don't read tickets lol check this out

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📎 Screenshot_20181218-091048.png

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📎 Screenshot_20181218-091057.png

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📎 Screenshot_20181218-091106.png

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📎 Screenshot_20181218-091111.png

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They tried to close the ticket less than 12 hours after the other guy said it should remain open lol. Fail communication

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I'm sure mo
Marjornel won't read that .. the next person will and be confused cuz they don't read history.. lol

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So far I've gotten 7 employee support names... Let's see how many ones they can 'generate' lol

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 2:17 PM

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One of the biggest problems is, that this is a solo grind game that is covered up as an alliance driven one. Unless the alliance tools and co-op’s will not be introduced soon, the game will drive scopely to file chapter 11 sooner than they can fix things.

The game itself is a simple copy of many similar games but with very early ( too early ) phase soft launch & definitely too early global launch which obviously was forced by someone looking at the bank account.

Only way to make it up is by doing daily updates and actually listen to what the players are saying & do adjustments and frequent updates for known bugs - no patching batches. Most of the emornous amount of mass are playing this for the simple reason - because it’s star trek. If the ones who get hooked will meet bad coding and poor customer support, they will just drive the customer service nuts and developers to commit career suicide by continuing the title.

blissful stratus Dec 18, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Why you dont fix rafinery ? I spent 45K raw materials and got 0 uncommon materials. I stuck for days to upgrade even tier 2 ships. So many uncommon and 9h+ is way long time. Also put cancel button when we warp, or recall.

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 2:34 PM

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@blissful stratus i support that

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 2:40 PM

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@blissful stratus agreed, but no they are spending time first on new players. Scopely you suck at making priority's

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 2:43 PM

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new players tend to spend more, the more you play the more you realise how broken the game is, the higher the level you reach the less value is to be had from purchases so you stop spending

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Exactly. The packs are worth nothing and with the current packs there are not many players going to spend actual money on the game.

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 2:45 PM

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the moment you buy such pack the price goes up, that shows something in my book

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 2:47 PM

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@nova sierra just like marriage, for new players it is called the "honeymoon" period

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 2:52 PM

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the way it is intended to work is you can only see the starter packs when you start, buy one and you unlock the Advanced packs, purchase one of these and you unlock Master packs, purchase to unlock the Ultra packs, all levels should be still available to purchase but this doesn't appear to be the case based on reports here. The contents of the packs also changes at lv20, lv25 & lv30, but not enough to maintain value for money

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 3:12 PM

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@nova sierra I saw absolutely no difference in the packs at level 20 and 25

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i haven't spent since the new version but I have seen a difference in the tritanium in screenshots posted, lemme dig out the shots....

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nope the screenshots i have are missing tri

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@nova sierra lv23 players ultra pack: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509686569649831936/524235662904262666/Screenshot_20181217-154346_Star_Trek_Fleet_Command.jpg

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lv30: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507076192982269963/508586874361741322/image0.png

bright mulch Dec 18, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Doesn’t seem right

viral pier Dec 18, 2018, 6:01 PM

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how do i ask question to devs?

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here

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@potent cipher can you answer this question?

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we received message that there were new missions for everybody

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in the beginning we went all searching and most of us found one mission

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that was playable in Labac and delivered 15k parsteel

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then everybody was looking for a new mission playable at least, but nobody is finding them

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so i had a second low account on a different server

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he is now on lvl 14 and has already 6 new missions found, and they are playable and reachable and on new systems

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on the other server i have 35 missions i cannot play , unreachable

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but now players can play these missions and gain therefore advantages because we never had these opportunity

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how can this be justified???

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@potent cipher is there an explanation?

potent cipher Dec 18, 2018, 6:08 PM

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sorry will have to follow this up don't have the answer at hand for you

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 7:38 PM

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@nova sierra $160 packs… LOL that’s beyond crazy

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Thats Australian dollars @TallBear#7037 from one of my alliance mates

fathom copper Dec 18, 2018, 7:51 PM

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😂 Hobbel you are talking about you cant find some random missions, when this pos is missing like tons off content, the game is ad Alpha stage testing, missing some random mission....

proud oracle Dec 18, 2018, 8:13 PM

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They spent more time working on the microtransactions and predatory tactics then the game itself

valid bronze Dec 18, 2018, 8:25 PM

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Well the new adjustments are a start but what they need to do is put a timer on anyone who engages in pvp so you cant leave system for like 5 mins after you attack someone risk vs reward system right now there is really no risk of killing other players. All you need to do his hit recall and your safe pretty much

viral pier Dec 18, 2018, 8:52 PM

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If they promise and Dont Deliver i have lore content for laywers

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Møre content

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 9:15 PM

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what did you write to them

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Did you request got through @nova sierra ?

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for refund?

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what happened to your account so far?

viral pier Dec 18, 2018, 9:20 PM

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Lol

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Well i al still on course with lawyees

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Apple has said they do Notting

subtle briar Dec 18, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Yep, especially when paying for a beta.

viral pier Dec 18, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I have written confirmation #

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I will try again

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But still go on with lawyers

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Better 2 horses

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Then onze

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One

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 9:23 PM

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well what do you even screenshot to prove it doesnt work

golden flint Dec 18, 2018, 9:28 PM

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contact iTunes and they will make it right.

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Do you have a link for that?

golden flint Dec 18, 2018, 9:33 PM

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https://getsupport.apple.com/?caller=cups

Contact Apple Support

Contact Customer Support

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 9:33 PM

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ooh just like that haha

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thank you

golden flint Dec 18, 2018, 9:33 PM

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np

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 9:36 PM

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@nova sierra can you remember what you selected as problem?

warm wolf Dec 18, 2018, 9:38 PM

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Normally refund request will make it impossible to keep playing

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 9:38 PM

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well i hope google does the same

warm wolf Dec 18, 2018, 9:38 PM

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would be careful, if you want to keep your account

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 9:38 PM

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well i wouldnt care

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can just move on to a different game

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Why remove the account, it even says on the site of Scopely, we don't remove account

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We never "Delete" nor "Erase" your progress

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is shown on scopely support page

warm wolf Dec 18, 2018, 9:40 PM

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that's just the normal policy for requesting refunds.
Same as when you do refunds in the store, you can't get your money back and keep the product at the same time

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 9:40 PM

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yes you can actually

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if the product is not functioning it is yours to keep

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youre thinking of refunding a functioning product

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Yeah, some stores do let you keep it

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Well, STFC is not a functional product

warm wolf Dec 18, 2018, 9:43 PM

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I hear you, I am just telling you, how other games on the app store normally react to players requesting refunds

supple bluff Dec 18, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Thanks for the "Holiday gifts" @potent cipher and @nova sierra

Scopely are the Santa Claus that slides down the chimney, wakes up the kids and says "Wanna buy some toys?"

warm wolf Dec 18, 2018, 10:01 PM

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You're right, as said, player request refund from apple, apple grants, forwards to the dev, dev then does the banning.
And in case, people request the refund when quitting, everyone is happy.

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 10:05 PM

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They can't ban or whatever

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their site clearly say we do not delete nor erase your accounts

warm wolf Dec 18, 2018, 10:11 PM

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that kinda becomes void, when you ask back your money. Some games remove everything that you purchased and let you keep your account, but that normally is too much effort.
And as @nova sierra explained, that normally is not a problem, because the expectation is, that when you are asking for your money you are also not interested in the game anymore.
You won't be able to go to Apple afterwards and complain that the game you just got refunded also removed everything that you purchased with that money.

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Will see what happens

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Will see what happens, if they do that then it's a good reason to stop spending in such mobile games

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If I ever knew how bad the reputation is of scopely then I would never buy it

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If indeed they are gonna improve, then yeah I will spend too, but not at how the game is working right now

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 10:55 PM

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i mean isnt that why you spent in the first place

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and then later realise how the game rly played out

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 10:58 PM

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I noticed it too late, they really want to get you pay for things, and unfortunatly got thrown into it, but now i'm not that stupid anymore

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:10 PM

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@nova sierra Think of it this way, they're broken for all of us, not just some of us ... If it was the latter, I'm sure it would receive a higher priority

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I agree that they need fixing but there's alot that urgent attention

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same diff

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:11 PM

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but that is why you should stay in alpha

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and not sell this game as a complete deal

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:11 PM

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I'm not disputing that @shell epoch

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We have a saying in Aus, if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

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Whinning fixes nothing

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:13 PM

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The difference between whining and valid complaints on the broken product

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:13 PM

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You cant catch bees with vinegar... yadda, yadda, yadda

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:13 PM

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Whining - complaint w/o substance

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:15 PM

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@nova sierra I like the scond meaning better for this context

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You got your refund, so go away, I'm tired of your whinging texts

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Now now ... language ... person attacks too...

manic sundial Dec 18, 2018, 11:18 PM

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In such games, you can only fix things with your wallet, unfortunately everyone is spending like crazy to be the best, at least @nova sierra is honest and knows how the game actually works, and refunded his money, and I totally agree

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:18 PM

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There’s no bad language there whatsoever LOL I’m not swearing in the slightest and that’s not a personal attack

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:20 PM

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its just the fact that the devs are handling things very poorly

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:20 PM

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I've been a commercial coder for years also, far bigger projects than this one ... still does not justify your attitude

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:21 PM

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ive seen people code for free with better products

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 11:21 PM

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i'm on fartasia's side on this one xD

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:21 PM

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community driven games etc.

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 11:21 PM

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@nova sierra you're complaining after returning it. and you won't stop.

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:21 PM

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@nova sierra Actually, you have crossed the line long ago ... Shine the mirror mate!

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Thanks @woeful lintel you can see where complaints and whining cross over...

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 11:22 PM

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i think you tagged the wrong person, Bear

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xD

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i was confused

rare roost Dec 18, 2018, 11:22 PM

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Is it possable for you to make ship BP like the ones for the jelly actually farmable for free to play players? You can only farm 50 and are forced to buy the other 25.

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 11:23 PM

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Hang on

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you're going to spend $5

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just so that some people on the internet

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:23 PM

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@nova sierra you go beyond complaints and attack Scopely's bottom line! I'm surprised that they have not banned you!

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 11:23 PM

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will complain less about your complaining

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:24 PM

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@azure holly That’s what you’re supposed to do when a company is doing what they do LOL

woeful lintel Dec 18, 2018, 11:24 PM

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If they were gonna ban anyone, I think they'd start somewhere else

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:25 PM

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Yeah ... pooping in their financial backyard is an act of passive aggressive behaviour.... Don't be surprised if they take offense to your damaging activities and ban you!

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We have seen guys deleted from the game ... it happens

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:26 PM

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theyre not active enough to ban anyone

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:26 PM

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They only need to look at your account and you chat history here to put two and two together

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@nova sierra bragging is unbecoming

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:27 PM

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No they don’t LOL there is plenty of other people who have refunded… You’re kind of funny right now

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:27 PM

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ingame, even SYSTEM and latinumgift still plague global

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and in discord, they rly are not active enough to see these chats

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Keep it up... I'm sure @nova sierra & @potent cipher will be very interested

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:27 PM

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@azure holly Kind of funny that you were bashing on them with me in private chat earlier LOL

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It’s kind of hypocritical actually

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:28 PM

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@bear ... threats now?

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Q2 and scopley dont care

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:28 PM

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No one got threatened at all LOL you really have a warped definition of some things here

shell epoch Dec 18, 2018, 11:28 PM

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they ignore everything most of the time

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:29 PM

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I have nothing to hide @nova sierra I've said nothing untoward at Scopely in our PM... Happy to share it with them

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:30 PM

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And I’m not the one arguing… I’m simply stating my dissatisfaction for the product

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You’re the one bashing somebody for stating their opinion LOL

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Shine the mirror @nova sierra ... shine the mirror...

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Reflecting on others is not good

nova sierra Dec 18, 2018, 11:32 PM

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@azure holly Attacking people for expressing their dissatisfaction over product is not very good either…

azure holly Dec 18, 2018, 11:33 PM

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No ... I simply pointed out your behaviour has crossed a line ... you took offense and attacked me ... enough said

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Anyhow ... blocking is the best policy ... consider yourself blocked @nova sierra !

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Am I?

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Good luck then...

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As I said, I was the conduit ... Also I have nothing to hide so trying to out me is a low act ... Hiding your true game identity is a cowardly act... Scopely already know my thoughts, so that has no weight... 😂

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But if it makes you feel like a man @nova sierra then go for it and try and sling mud ....

elder mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:37 AM

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@nova sierra @potent cipher

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekfleetcommand/comments/a7bhxs/game_update/ec2kea6
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekfleetcommand/comments/a7bhxs/game_update/ec1o3cs

r/startrekfleetcommand - Game update

12 votes and 12 comments so far on Reddit

r/startrekfleetcommand - Game update

11 votes and 12 comments so far on Reddit

fathom copper Dec 19, 2018, 5:29 AM

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Game need raids, skill based combat, crafting system, events(not p2w) more content overall, balance to building system, properly more then that.

azure holly Dec 19, 2018, 5:57 AM

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@nova sierra you removed the screenshot... Awww

fathom copper Dec 19, 2018, 6:38 AM

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lol passive grind is now something in this crab game

nova sierra Dec 19, 2018, 10:04 AM

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What sale are there in sale event?

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Also why dont my server have jellyfish sale event?

fathom copper Dec 19, 2018, 11:04 AM

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dont spend

dusty violet Dec 19, 2018, 4:09 PM

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The current sale isn't very generous Belreion, so unless you are in the mood to throw $100 down more to support the company I'd wait. It's entirely possible we'll see additional holiday deals.

shrewd escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Incoming Transmission In Progress

…And so a month ago, the players, signed a treaty with Scopley. In it Scopley promised to extend Player's Fun and influence throughout the Quadrant. In exchange, we pledged ourselves to join the war against the other mobile games and its allies. Players have never been afraid of war, a fact we've proven time and again over these past weeks. Seven million of our Dollars have been given to fulfill our part of the agreement, and what has the Scopley done in return? Nothing. We've gained no new territories. In fact, our influence throughout the quadrant has diminished. And to make matters worse, we are no longer masters in our own home. Travel anywhere on the servers and what do you find? Reports of Bugs , Missing events and now no support. Instead of the invaders, we have become the invaded. Our 'allies' have conquered us without firing a single shot. Well, no longer. This morning Players of the First, Third and Ninth servers attacked the Scopley's refund policy. This assault marks the first step towards the liberation of our wallets, from the true oppressors of the Alpha Quadrant. I call upon Players everywhere. Resist. Resist today. Resist tomorrow. Resist till the last Scopley soldier has been driven from our soil.

iron fiber Dec 19, 2018, 6:35 PM

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The resource refinery lottery system needs to pay out 15% to 20% better than it does. I'm only level 14, and I've already got the resource bottleneck going, which bores me this early in the game and makes me want to play something else. It either needs to payout better or it needs to be able to refine more frequently. One or the other, but waiting 9 hours with the hopes of getting enough resources to upgrade 1 out of 5 starship components is insanely boring.

dusty violet Dec 19, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Well, what they want you to do is upgrade your Ops beyond 14. This game is designed to drive you towards PvP, and it's not going to let you sit behind the safety of staying 14 while you have access to operate in a protected bubble. You'll find that as soon as you bite the bullet and go beyond, it picks back up again.

vital drum Dec 19, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Please make character shards farmable. That is all. 👍

dusty violet Dec 19, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Call them rescue missions, and allow us to travel to specific planets to have an attempt at shards for a particular character.

fathom copper Dec 19, 2018, 9:13 PM

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G3 drop rate is still a problem, there need to be some way to get it f2p.

silk cosmos Dec 19, 2018, 10:07 PM

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g3 ship parts?

vital drum Dec 19, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Please speed up ship travel by 500%. Waiting 5 minutes to travel between systems or 1 minute + for my bomber to traverse across a system to attack a NPC is excruciating. Would dramatically improve player experience. 👍

wraith sluice Dec 19, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Yeah that way u have no chance of fleeing from a stronger enemy hunting u, cause he'd traverse the sector instantly, ppl clearing miners could clear entire zones faster.... Why?

vital drum Dec 19, 2018, 11:14 PM

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They are going to do that regardless. A strong enemy is still going to be faster.

wraith sluice Dec 19, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Yeah those 20-30 secs warning is way too long to hit warp and escape..... Ur totally right, should go across a sector in 3 sec or less

tepid robin Dec 20, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Is this game rated 18+? The amount of filthy sexual language in GC is appalling and I'd swear there are kids playing the game. I logged in via Google but as far as I know that doesn't have the best way of figuring out your actual age.

tepid robin Dec 20, 2018, 1:36 AM

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https://scopely.com/tos/

Scopely

Terms of Service - Scopely

These Terms of Service govern the relationship between you and Scopely, Inc. regarding your access to and use of Scopely’s games, mobile apps, websites, content, products, and any related services.

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I genuinely think that scopely needs to monitor global chat for violations of these terms. Relying on players to screenshot and contact them through complaints isn't good enough. As far as I know, personal abuse aimed at myself through a friend's PM (after I blocked them) has been forwarded and not acted upon. I have heard of other serious complaints but without scopely monitoring global chat for violations the chat can get extremely abusive and it continues until positive action is made. It is very difficult to scroll back up through chat when it is very busy and frequently the abuse is lost to the app, but surely scopely keeps a log of everything written down.

supple bluff Dec 20, 2018, 4:06 AM

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@tepid robin
You don't actually believe that Scopely enforce their ToS clauses regards threatening behavior do you? MANY reports have been sent to Customer Service and they are just ignored. That needs to be addressed @nova sierra

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 6:53 AM

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Last I checked swear words are *** out ?

tepid robin Dec 20, 2018, 8:35 AM

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CS have received my report and have opened an investigation. They won't tell me what's going on (which is fair enough) and I hope they let me know the results. Sometimes we shouldn't just accept bad behaviour and it needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand

nova sierra Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 PM

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What’s silly is the chat filter filters the weirdest stuff. Gay is filtered out as a bad word

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Pal and bite are also considered not PG friendly

manic sundial Dec 20, 2018, 3:37 PM

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damn is also filtered out, that's just weird

stiff kelp Dec 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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every language is filtered

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bite means penis in french, so here you go

nova sierra Dec 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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thanks for clearing that up for me @stiff kelp 😂

nova sierra Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Finnish aint filtered 😎

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Probably high priority fix coming up for that...

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Hi, I'm level 18, I cannot raid any players base because you have designed the standard ships to be too weak compaired to the defensive strength of stations, A player at my level can only raid if they own a jellyfish ship, you have also rigged the game as noone can farm a jellyfish ship for free, you cannot get more then 50 ship parts from farming missions. Forcing players to have to spent money if the event for jellyfishes are even available.

There is no free to play component to this game, it is a lie, so can I just ask?
scopely, how do you sleep at night?

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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@rare roost Can you travel the map? Can you attack other players ships? Can you mine? Can you farm pve items? Do you get regular rewards? Have you done any quests? Have you spoke to anyone in chat? Have you joined an alliance?

Yes? No problem and our pleasure - love from everyone who pays the devs salaries.

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 6:45 PM

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@carmine jay ah, so you stand by the idea that a free to play player should only be able to access and take part in half of the games content, interesting point of view.

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@carmine jay

Can you travel the map? Base requirment mechanic, void point
Can you attack other players ships? Base requirment mechanic, void point
Can you mine? Base requirment mechanic, void point
Can you farm pve items? Actually only some, the game has a cap on farmable ship upgrade parts, it has been 3 days and I cannot get any survey 2* ship parts from any source, they have even been removed from my daily reward quests.
Do you get regular rewards? See above.
Have you done any quests? See above above.
Have you spoke to anyone in chat? Yes
Have you joined an alliance? Top alliance on my current server, I cannot even assist my teammates attacking stations dispite having a max level talla and some rare level officers.

A free to play player should never end up in a situation where an entire interactive part of the game is removed from them. I cannot take part in raiding, I cannot even farm what I would need to allowmyself to take part in raiding, how is it you consider that a positive thing? the entire point of the game is PVP compeating for resources and hence progression speed.

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

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“Half”. I beg to differ. Im level 18, have spent modest amounts compared to the big guns, am having a lot of fun and lead the power raided leaderboards by a fair margin.

The fact you face-rolled to level 18 hoping to rofl-stomp all the noobs and are disappointed with the results is the issue here.

Id bet you your net worth there are farmable bases with my ops 18 talla. Your problem is you need to slow down, pick your targets and L2Play.

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

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@carmine jay

You've shown your opinon of me but not addressed the issue, none of the other free to play players on my server have said they are able to attack anyone else either.

You say pick your targets?? what are you talking about? The max power of the talla is 15k. a level 15 station with basic investment in def is 22k.

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The only people on my server taking part in base raiding are those with 40k jelly's.

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Upward from lvl 15 players stations def go up to 130,000

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Sorry bud, you are talking bollox. You are rushing. As I said, im 18, mot even max. This is my talla

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And there are beatable bases with that ship

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

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How? @carmine jay There is NOTHING left for me to research, I have almost every building at level 18 constructed

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

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You are lying.

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Clearly I'm lying, I came on here to complaint about nothing for no reason...

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Go do the research

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Yup

delicate elbow Dec 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Gents - there is no value to this argument here. One is frustrating his logic with emotion and the other is emotionally trying to argue logic. This is just a vinegar match. Not worth the typing time.

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Stop moaning and go research

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@rare roost

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I recognise its not constructive, he claims I am fabricating outrage for no reason, clearly my game is bugged.

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@carmine jay you cant conceptualise a reality outside of your own limited point of view can you?\

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Show me your main window. How much power have you got?

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@rare roost i just dont like people who talk shit.

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And clearly you are just underlevelled

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With your “max” 15k talla

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So stop moaning, and get farming

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

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@carmine jay nice amount of latinum, now I know why your so defensive of the game.

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

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@rare roost lol, here we go...

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Like I said

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You are a weak level 18

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That is your problem

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Therefore, the game is not at fault in this instance

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Get max 18, and you can kill stuff, that is the point here

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So take your self entitled ass to the exit

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And in time, if you keep f2playing amd get stronger, you will be more useful to your alliance. Till then, and like i said originally, enjoy the other 95% of the free content that others pay for.

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@rare roost btw, cause im not a self entitled dumb ass, I have almost already farmed back what I paid from the store. Which was the plan from the beginning.

I see so much vitriol on here from the free 2 play crowd. This game, while far from perfect is not free to run. The team and infrastructure costs a ton. Whatever your day job, just take a moment to think how the dev team feel on this. Sure, the product managers may well ne trying to get as much money from us as possible, but I assure you that is not the devs fault.

We should be supporting them rather than trying to beat them down at every opportunity.

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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@carmine jay no I dont think you're a self entitled dumb ass, the fact you have prime researches and the fact free to play players cannot get them till level 20 has just slipped your mind.

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Or did you think the power of your ship came out of farming and upgrading it?

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Every upgrade I have is farmable at 18.

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Again, level up

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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The game locks you out of play unless you spend money unlike any other game in the genre. A legitimate criticism for a game that who's staff claim to care about the free to play playerbase, you know, those people that actually give the whales like yourself something to shoot at.

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@carmine jay now who's lying?

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I dont mind ppl that lie, just dont do it to yourself @carmine jay

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:22 PM

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I can feel my IQ dying on your every keystroke. Go watch some vlogs or something. Laters.

delicate elbow Dec 20, 2018, 7:22 PM

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The block function - most valuable tool in Discord.

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:36 PM

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curious @delicate elbow and @carmine jay . have either of you crunched the math on the store packs? I stopped after I spent a little money and realised you earn less resources per unit of currency spent on each of the more expensive packs in the game. for example if the $10 officer pack gives you 1000 xp per $1 spent the $50 officer pack gives you $880 per $1 spent. Perhaps you should do some research on the company behind this game, they're a nasty piece of work.

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Well not the company behind the game exactly, Digit created a great game. Scoply seem to be ruining it.

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:39 PM

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@rare roost I have a more simplified approach tbh. My calculation is based on fun and affordability. If its fun and I can afford it, ill buy it.

I also think buying an ultra pack on a Friday night is much better value than a load of booze, a taxi and an STD. 😬

rare roost Dec 20, 2018, 7:41 PM

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@carmine jay I do hope you dont apply the same approch to your own finances, its difficult to charge your phone from a cardboard box.

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Im 45 and retired, so........ I’m good thanks.

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:48 PM

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15m resources raided....that's cute

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:50 PM

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@agile onyx yeah, i know there are founder servers with 500m. Can’t wait to hear your exciting point!

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Go on, do thrill me

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Cmon big boy

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Lmfao

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Show me your pixels!

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:51 PM

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500m jesus now that's alot

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I didn't play founders....heard it was better than what we have now

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Read thread for context. OM (original moaner) says level 18 cant do jack, i beg to differ.

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Yeah, founders is brutal tho afaik

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:52 PM

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I was raiding at level 18

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Glad im on a new one

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Wouldnt play on founders tbh

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Was it hard or something?

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Pointless

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Well, you have level 32 guys with epic ships who can zero you in 1 hit.

If thats your thing, go for it!

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Great if u started in alpha

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Was it easier to get epic ships

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:53 PM

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No idea tbh

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Seems like now we'll never get them

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Game came to screeching halt at around 24

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Different tho,for sure.

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Its very very expensive from 24 on afaik, which is why im not rushing

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Missions are impossible, which makes getting faction points impossible

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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But i have faith things will change (for the better) 👍

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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So I've just been farming hostiles to get faction points non stop and just cracked 25k

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Isn't it 500k to start getting first faction ship shards

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I believe so yeah

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Im on faction farm myself rn

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But then i like grinding and rng. Im just a sicko i guess

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Most of my missions I cant even warp to lol..I have vahklas teir 4 with scotty and still cant....takes multiple 100$ purchases to teir up ships now since I get 1 uncommon material a week lol

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Refinery 24?

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 8:18 PM

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Yeah

manic sundial Dec 20, 2018, 8:41 PM

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anyone know when you can 3* refine?

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on which lvl of refinery?

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Pretty sure its 20 bud @manic sundial

manic sundial Dec 20, 2018, 8:50 PM

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well, that's shit, how would you do the 2 prime research

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Hmm... actually yeah, you need the special packs for them... the 19.99 ones, they are 💯 pay2win. 😫

manic sundial Dec 20, 2018, 9:19 PM

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Jeez.

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 9:37 PM

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You cant get 3* uncommon from any other pack though (pre 20 I guess). If you are enjoying the game, getting the prime stuff is likely the best “value”...

shell epoch Dec 20, 2018, 9:56 PM

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i wouldnt mind grinding if i was allowed to repair multiple ships

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and yes, if you dont get some of the packs, progression will be ultra slow

manic sundial Dec 20, 2018, 10:02 PM

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well not gonna put my money in the game if it's staying like this

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thanks anyway

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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@thorny ridge ever thought the reason they made the rates so high in alpha / beta was because... hold on.. wait a miinute.. Yes! Because it was alpha/beta and they needed you to test shit?

grand oriole Dec 20, 2018, 11:21 PM

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would be nice to add a help all button next to the help button. I really don't need to know who I am helping, if I need that I can access it under the guild tabs

odd berry Dec 20, 2018, 11:24 PM

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yep some did ask for that before @grand oriole

grand oriole Dec 20, 2018, 11:25 PM

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cool just joined today

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:30 PM

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@carmine jay we question them at the time and they stated it’s not a beta it’s full release

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 11:32 PM

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I'm ok with farming shit out and waiting but these rates for uncommon materials are just not acceptable

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:34 PM

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CBS can’t be happy it’s damaging there IP

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So stuck your sarcasm up your wait for it clacker @carmine jay

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Again if you read my post correctly you would have seen they stated it was the real release not beta

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Most of our server where beta testers but they closed the beta 12 months ago and told us all it was now the full version no longer a beta

agile onyx Dec 20, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Sounds like they nerfed shit to hard

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Yep they ducked it hard

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:42 PM

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@thorny ridge Go you! Fingers cross they go broke then, disband the team, they all never get jobs again and end up homeless. Would you be happy then?

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Lol take it to the extreme they won’t go broke to many fan boys like you who blindly follow what they say and do , then there’s server 2 they have got a class action against them in the us as scopely broke there own terms of service

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I’ll leave you to drool over scopely scraps and enjoy FarmVille with a trek skin

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:45 PM

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Why are you here?

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And dont give me some free world bullshit

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If the game is so bad, why hang out here?

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Spitting venom

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Do you really have nothing better to do?

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Making sure others know just how bad they are and not to get sucked in oh and yes free world etc etc

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@sick moon @nova sierra check this 🥔 out @nova sierra

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Ok, so I’ve heard most of your crap and I just think you are.. one of those bitter sore loser types with nothing better to do.

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Youll need more than a few reinforcements boy

nova sierra Dec 20, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Nah Rommel is just telling it like it is

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Go back to you trumptard state

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He won’t listen he will gladly hand over his cash till they do another “release” and he gets reset with no compo then we will see him spit venom lol

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Hopefully they merge his server with ours

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:51 PM

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The point remains, if the reason you are here is to try and put others off, ruin thier enjoyment, then you must have a sad and pathetic life and existence. Ive seen @nova sierra being reasonable, helping out. My guess is he has similar experiences tp you, but just is more balanced. Maybe he has a cute puppy or something, idk.

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Lol seeing ppl paying $159! For a ship that’s useless is why I’ve spoken up

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:52 PM

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All this anger is pointless. Let it go, watch frozen a few times.

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That useless ship got me top of my new servers leaderboards and a lot of fun for a couple of weeks. That sort of money usually buys a guy fun for a few minutes in Amsterdam.

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Won’t matter soon anyway Apple looking to remove it from all the refunds

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:54 PM

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I think its excellent value

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Really lol uncommon Saladin is better cost $0

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Lead a positive life and positive things will happen. Lead a bitter one and youll just end up on your own. Just you, discord and your vitriol. Nice.

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GL with that

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:56 PM

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I live a awesome life thanks , I guess when you get ripped of and lied to you think it’s cool

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:56 PM

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No, I let it go. Karma is real.

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Well good for you

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Negative energy will destroy you and those around you.

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:57 PM

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So will theft and deceit

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:57 PM

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You want that life choice because a few pixels pissed you off?

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Assume you didnt get your money back then?

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:58 PM

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I got my money back thankfully but it’s the principle

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And to see them still ripping ppl of us wrong

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:58 PM

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Ive not been ripped off, so am I ok to enjoy it?

thorny ridge Dec 20, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Your call never said you couldn’t enjoy it , again a ship that was free and now $159 is wrong

carmine jay Dec 20, 2018, 11:59 PM

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In fact, ive never seen such a powerful item released so early. It may be a dumb move, but its not a ripped off move

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The f2p are pissed, but they have a choice

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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It’s not powerful common ships tiered is stronger

carmine jay Dec 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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Which?

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A T2 ship?

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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📎 image0.png

carmine jay Dec 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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Thats T3...

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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Here’s one

carmine jay Dec 21, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Its T3, a long way away unless you rush and want to get battered by the real whales.

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Jellyfish is amazing for early game

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Accessible even after merge from start by collecting bp

carmine jay Dec 21, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Too powerful, no rip off

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Im collecting them alreasy

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Using...

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My jellyfish

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Did it with maxed envoys get more bp

carmine jay Dec 21, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Nothing else would farm the L24/5 stuff so easily

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Again, im early game, very happy

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So...

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Cant you and your pissed off crew just let us enjoy it?

nova sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Who's pissed off?

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Again never said you couldn’t enjoy it but we are all free to express our like or dislike of scopely and there methods

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Besides intrepid is a better rare ship and costs you $0 unlike the jelly

remote temple Dec 21, 2018, 3:49 AM

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@thorny ridge no point stressing over the noob. Let him max out his mums credit card buying all the pointless in game crap, and we can check back on him when/if he gets to lvl25+ and see if he is singing the same tune then.

tepid robin Dec 21, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Just so Scopely know the filters don't work if it's in a name

📎 Screenshot_2018-12-21-13-45-51-90.png

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Though you'd have trouble keeping up with the general filth of someone like this

📎 Screenshot_2018-12-20-13-56-22-20.png

azure holly Dec 21, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Do you report the offending posts?

tepid robin Dec 21, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Last few days I've opened several tickets. I'm not even online much

azure holly Dec 21, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Everyone who sees needs to

manic bear Dec 21, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I report this guy for this and also using exploits. Hiding untargatble on a planet. They have not done anything, he is still online. He changes his name a few time a day. As he is blocked, the name changes are easy to know.

tepid robin Dec 21, 2018, 6:57 AM

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His alt is currently theasshole. Need both of them kicked

delicate elbow Dec 21, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Every server seems to have one of those.... that just delights in making others squirm.... Here's to his swift removal and ban from the game.

tepid robin Dec 21, 2018, 7:46 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2018-12-21-18-45-26-29.png

supple bluff Dec 21, 2018, 7:48 AM

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@tepid robin
My grandson is on that same server. In PAX alliance. I've told him to never look at Global Chat. I @nova sierra ... Scopely really do need to act quickly and decisively. In Australia, threatening people online is actually illegal under our very strict anti-bullying laws.
Every account in the SYTH alliance on that server should be banned immediately.

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@thorny ridge
Re CLASS ACTION. Read the full Scopely Terms of Service. They specifically state that players CAN NOT take a class action against them... Which in itself, is probably illegal.

nova sierra Dec 21, 2018, 8:11 AM

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Grey point as you have agreed to it with informed consent. Besides good luck getting enough people to agree for a class action suit 😀

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I doubt most would be bothered to go that far once they get refund from apple / google

thorny ridge Dec 21, 2018, 8:14 AM

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@supple bluff yep exactly what apple and google advised them

delicate elbow Dec 21, 2018, 8:19 AM

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@supple bluff Re: CLASS ACTION - it is legal for business to block Class Action Lawsuits from their employees and customers, as now allowed in the bylaws of corporations, thanks to the current Supreme Court. This decision was made in May of this year. You can thank them for that nonsense.

crude pike Dec 21, 2018, 8:22 AM

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You need to look at your hit ranges. A level 21 hitting a level 16 is ridiculous. They show up with 68k and I have a 12k ship. Whatever happened to +- 3?

supple bluff Dec 21, 2018, 8:32 AM

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@delicate elbow
But that only applies in the USA.
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (our Federal government consumer protection authority) won a multi million dollar law suit against a USA corporation for things they did in their online game.

remote temple Dec 21, 2018, 8:55 AM

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https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/valve-loses-australia-appeal-over-its-old-steam-refund-policy/

Engadget

Valve loses appeal over Steam refund policy in Australia

Australia has rejected Valve's appeal over a $3 million penalty for its allegedly misleading Steam refund policy.

supple bluff Dec 21, 2018, 9:13 AM

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@remote temple
Exactly. Take note ^ @nova sierra

As the company conducted business in Australia, Australia's Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) said, it's beholden to national consumer protection laws -- and that means getting your money back if a game's quality isn't up to snuff.

azure holly Dec 21, 2018, 9:56 AM

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It's not for businesses to decide the laws, ethically, they cant give misinformation about laws, inner council get their knuckles wrapped for doing so ... Courts decide if there is a case to pursue...

nova sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:41 PM

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@supple bluff @tepid robin Please do raise messages like these as tickets with CS. It is the easiest way to locate and stop this behaviour! Thank you for bringing it to my attention!

supple bluff Dec 21, 2018, 4:51 PM

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@nova sierra
@tepid robin and I HAVE sent tickets to Customer Support. NOTHING WAS DONE. That is the point we are making!

fierce axle Dec 21, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Man I feel like I’ve me mis led massively the game isn’t finished their are builds with no information on missions that are impossible to do level gaps in the game that without spending would take honestly years and that will not even get you to level 25 .... you claim oh can get faction items but with out the means to get factions tokens how can you buy any of it ? 15 from daily’s don’t cut it

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You have a market building yet we can’t get it until lvl 50 ? What’s that 300 years from now ?

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And even then it would be useless at that level

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The events are practical impossible to get rewards from and he combat system ? So at lvl. 21 my ship is only 50k power I have no way to increase that now as it will takes months or years to upgrade due to this poor refining larky means 1 I can’t attack bases for any other reason that to what make a statement ? After repairing the ship 20 times ?

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Event mission is double or triple me ships power making them impossible or they are totally out of warp range that I can’t upgrade to

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You have prime upgrades with ores that aren’t even in the game

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Or you have to spend real money to get them you can’t create products like this

supple bluff Dec 21, 2018, 6:06 PM

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@fierce axle
And yet... They have.

fierce axle Dec 21, 2018, 6:09 PM

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It’s disgusting

sinful wagon Dec 21, 2018, 6:15 PM

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@nova sierra I think the xp nerfs rolled out earlier this week to try to curb aggression have had the opposite effect. We’ve definitely seen more aggression this week and I have to think it’s partly due to people needing to hit many more people to get the same XP as before the nerf.

nova sierra Dec 21, 2018, 8:10 PM

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@tepid robin @supple bluff We do not discus individual cases, but every case is individually reviewed by Customer Support. I always welcome you highlighting things here too.

fathom copper Dec 21, 2018, 8:36 PM

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The holiday event is a joke

pallid niche Dec 21, 2018, 9:16 PM

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@nova sierra Any news regarding the un-attackable station bug? ETA on a fix?

nova sierra Dec 21, 2018, 10:08 PM

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@pallid niche Hi, no word on an ETA, but I know it is currently being discussed and a known issue. 🖖

pallid niche Dec 21, 2018, 10:15 PM

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@nova sierra completely different thing, my brother just started today, but ended up on another server sadly. Is there any way I can get him on my server?🙏

nova sierra Dec 21, 2018, 10:16 PM

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@pallid niche Currently we don't have any way to move players between servers.

pallid niche Dec 21, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Your short a: “Sure Munkhof, give me his playerID and we’ll make it happen” 😢

shadow raptor Dec 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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Is this game Cross-platform? I'm seeing mention of yes, but server based with no way to 'change' servers so that you can play with friends.

pastel condor Dec 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Yes cross platform but no to server select

supple bluff Dec 22, 2018, 3:43 AM

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@shadow raptor
Some of the platforms are VERY cross!

gloomy oasis Dec 22, 2018, 3:01 PM

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No cross platform.... actually.... you have multiple devices... like i pad, iphone, etc... but not android and iphone.

supple bluff Dec 22, 2018, 9:47 PM

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@nova sierra and @potent cipher
All most of us want is for crew and ship buffs to actually work. They used to before Scopely touched the code. It's not too much to ask of an app DEVELOPER is it? Or is there some other nefarious reason why these buffs are "broken"... To slow player progress down perhaps? To make spending £ and $ and ¥ and € the only way to progress?

MERRY CHRISTMAS by the way.

pastel condor Dec 22, 2018, 11:35 PM

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@gloomy oasis I use an Android phone

dim prawn Dec 23, 2018, 1:05 PM

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@nova sierra Any update on the following would be appreciated:

Increasing mining node amounts and mining rates
Armadas
Galaxy Research

nova sierra Dec 23, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Trained fighter for fed and klingon?
Warp range of 40 on afritalis (30) correct?

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Some questions of mine ...

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Shhh on the trained fighters lol I'm farming klingons for rep 😉

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There's a couple of those warp 40 systems sandwiched between warp 22's for some reason

nova sierra Dec 23, 2018, 3:42 PM

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There s trainzd.romulans lvl 22 in some rom systems worth 50 or more rep tot kling and fed

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But no equivalent on fed and klingon side...

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U could use those trained klingons

wise wraith Dec 23, 2018, 10:38 PM

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It would be an absolute fantastic addition to either be able to delete ships from the hangar or cash them in for the number of build tokens it took to get them because right now I can't build my envoye and there is no indication how full The hanger is so I was unaware how much space there could be

primal coral Dec 24, 2018, 12:47 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20181223-194745_Star_Trek_Fleet_Command.jpg

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The ship hangar @wise wraith

wise wraith Dec 24, 2018, 1:11 AM

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Hadn't seen that in game before

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Still would be great to have the option to deconstruct ships

vernal kite Dec 24, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Would be nice eh @wise wraith, but once you get the ship hangar it's better, mine isn't leveled all the way to my lvl and I can hold about 25 ships right now

gaunt ferry Dec 24, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Until you hit 18 and can improve it you see:

📎 Screenshot_20181223-225155_Star_Trek_Fleet_Command.jpg

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 2:16 PM

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We need a forum to post most of this stuff not discord. Things can move to fast for anyone to be able to read ideas, complaints or suggestions

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I swear to holy christ get rid of the jellyfish! it was a huge disadvantage and is still a huge disadvantage to those of us who couldn't buy it.

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Can't mine for ore, gas , or crystal because im spending all of my tritanium on ship repairs!

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Can't legit get the jelly because half the missions require us to kill something with an astronomical power level

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@potent cipher think that is something you can get put in their scope of improvements?

tough beacon Dec 24, 2018, 4:24 PM

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So what happens to everyone who invested time or money for the Jellyfish?

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 4:34 PM

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That's on the drastic end. they could refund them and give them in game currency and items

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also they could just nerf it

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Not all Jelly owners are griefers... also, getting an active clan that will protect you will help. As in life people have access to different stuff. Communism doesnt work 😬

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 5:00 PM

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You're right communism doesn't work and I have an active Alliance. The question is how are they going to protect me when 1. They can't engage an enemy player that is already attacking me, 2. Can't even defend themselves against them, 3. The battle mechanics and strategy solely favor those that have the bigger stick.

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It's not much to ask for fair gameplay

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Or at least a better combat system

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I'm not alone in saying the jelly needs nerfed

tough beacon Dec 24, 2018, 5:17 PM

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I have a 65k Kehra... where does your argument end. My Jelly is 45k. Should I be punished . I put allot of time and some money to get those. I understand your frustration, but I would suggest more realistic solutions.

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I would suggest being more strategic in where you mine and farm hostiles. Also align yourself with a alliance that can provide you protection against players at my level or higher. Punishing everyone is not the way to go.
Merry Christmas

last carbon Dec 24, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Im a leader of an alliance in a group of alliances on our server 6 in total 2 French-speaking one English-speaking we banded together to protect systems for mining nodes at first this caused an issue for all as we were killing everyones miners however as we lvled the attack cap means now that new low lvl players can now mine our systems and this worked until the big whale spenders started attacking systems we have a single player coming in and destroying multiple alliances of players on there own this imbalance needs dealing with plz we suggest you put a 2 lvl below attack limit on pvp. We have whale size spenders and plp who spent 50 a month. The latter is feel aggrieved that grinding mines is made impossible by a single player. The organised team should at least have a chance. The big spenders tell me its become to easy to desimate an area. Finally the last thing we want is to ruin this game by making it impossible for plp to lvl. So game developers can you please please put a 2 lvl limit on attacking plp lower than you and there bases.

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Merry Christmas to all from us

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Hello! I am the leader of UKFederation Sol. The largest alliance on my server we have 4 alliances to our cross alliance Federation also we have two allies AOF and LFR. we are by far the most powerful alliances on our server yet one player has spent so much money that he flies up to our mass of 100+ ships and wipes us all out. Where is the game balance? We have tried everything to take him out and he just kills us and attacks our bases at will. players are quitting in huge numbers. And soon i will to if the problem is not resolved. Please help us continue to play your game!

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Sounds like the real world to me! 1% of the population control 99% of the power and wealth. Working as designed. 😬

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 6:44 PM

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@tough beacon You put a lot of money into it you mean haha! 65k khera is well beyond what a standard player is at. there are guys on my server with 107k ships right now that have put thousands into it. i have been no pay to win from the start and i have 3 ships on 15k each and i grind like crazy. this game was made for pay to win players and it WILL fail eventually from a shortage of players.

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 6:47 PM

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@limpid gazelle disagree, and games like Game of War, Lords Mobile etc agree with me. These games are brutal and 95% will quit. The rest will get merged into mega servers and the battles will be immense!

But this is not a free to play friendly game i’m afraid.

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 6:51 PM

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@carmine jay the why make the game free to play?

spice hawk Dec 24, 2018, 6:55 PM

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I spent a lot of money on this game, currently number 3 on the server, and i still think it is weird i can hit people 6 lvls below my own lvl. They cant defend themeselves against my attacks. So i would urge the developers to implement a attack lvl gap of 2 below your own lvl

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:05 PM

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@nova sierra its free to download and you are welcome to explore, mine, kill low stuff - but the high end content will be very difficult if not impossible for the f2p to compete - in the current model.

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 7:07 PM

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As soon as the jelly fish came out half the players quit

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this game is poorly built and was made very quickly to make lots of money very quickly then expire

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:13 PM

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It had 700k downloads in november, its not for eveeyone, but itll be around a few years at least. If you dont like it, remove the negativity from your life and do something else?

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 7:14 PM

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@carmine jay I gathered that. And yes it should be a easier for those that pay to climb faster but the gap is too big and the is no reprieve from getting wrecked by stronger players. Instead a allowing someone to attack other people based on level range it could be based on power. This would ensure the f2p players are left relatively alone and the P2W whales can fight amongst themselves.

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Whales need plankton to survive 😬

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Harsh, but true

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 7:15 PM

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sperm whales killer whales do not eat plankton

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why make the game a grinding game if its not meant for players that do not pay?

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 7:15 PM

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well they would still be able to farm out the lower bracket of power range for them.

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Damn, would you rather be eaten by a sperm whale or killer whale?

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 7:15 PM

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theg ames good but the spending limits are to high. i agree a power based limit would be a great idea

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:16 PM

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And who would the dolphins eat?

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Top end of f2p would still moan

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 7:16 PM

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i am top end of f2p

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been grinding since day one of our server and i am not where near the paying players

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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That said I agree its too extreme atm. Ive suggested 1-19, 20-25 and 26+ brackets

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26+ is extreme, emptying bases of millions in minutes

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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we that enjoy the game just want to find a happy medium. If you break the game down to it's core it's a great game and had some great ideas.

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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im lvl 17 i have a talla turas envoy all 15k ships the jelly fish came out and a lvl 13-14 was running around with a 40k jelly fish lol

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Agree Beaver

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Obvs im a disgusting p2win, but its been hella fun 😬

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 7:19 PM

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hey we all have our niche. I bought packs. I just can't keep up with those cats that got the head start with the jelly and then just snowballed.

limpid gazelle Dec 24, 2018, 7:20 PM

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i have 3 if the top 4 pay to win players on the server in my alliance. we are by far the strongest on the server and we have a federation of 6 alliances all of us top 7 in the rankings but 1 player just 1! warps into our system and kills absolutley every ship and base he can hit purely because he has spent triple the amount that the guy in 2nd has spent. its crazy imbalance

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put it this way the guy with the toughest ships on our server has 3 ships all above 107k i have ground out the game to the best that the mechanics have allowed me to and my ships are 15k...

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we massed all of our ships into one mighty fleet and he still killed us all then started to hit bases

carmine jay Dec 24, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Did you have fun doing it?

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Massing, getting wiped, imagine the day he gets his comeuppance- and he will

last carbon Dec 24, 2018, 7:46 PM

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There has to be a split at some point where we can still get new players hooked on game before they are hit with a filling of futility ive spent 50 about a 100pound since November and am not able to compete.

torn pollen Dec 24, 2018, 7:46 PM

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I'd imagine that's extremely demoralizing, not fun.

last carbon Dec 24, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Ignore 50

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The balance must be teams beat individuals if thats not maintained to some degree you will have no one left and if plp put time into game the friendships and connections they make for that time and speading how to play the game to others and bring more plp in is ultimately just as valuable to developers as pay per play. As plp are life blood of game and star trek community in particular make or break things at moment there in danger of alienating there core fans and future players. Plz sort out imbalance a strong group should be able to stop an individual period. Otherwise you fail individual with lack of challenge and group in futility.

spice hawk Dec 24, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Agree with all of that

tough beacon Dec 24, 2018, 8:03 PM

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It may help to make the ability to fight against each based on ship strength and not base strength. This way a Whale and lower level person can play each other on a even playing field. Make it a 1000 point spread either way.

nova sierra Dec 24, 2018, 8:08 PM

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there is just 1 thing they could do without changing anything else. make the ship's power scale down with damage...this way they can still have the biggest badest ships and advantage...but they couldn't become the McLeods of the game.

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WT ACTUAL FUCK? Scopely's idea of a Christmas gift is a 1000kronor pack? So "merry Christmas, pay us" is scopely's idea of holiday spirit. Fuck all the way off!

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@nova sierra why does it surprise you? What would make you think that they are interested in non or semi-paying players? The lack of forum or the bots that try to pass as support? :))

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Surprised? No...Pissed? Youbetcha!

tough beacon Dec 24, 2018, 9:24 PM

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The ability to collect tier 3 uncommon materials needs attention. When I refine tier three material, what ever the “chance “ setting they are to get is not realistic. Hell I am willing to buy the stuff, but the packs give 35-50 and you need 75 to upgrade one weapon on tier three ships. Do you expect us to buy $500 dollars with of packs to upgrade one ship one level?
I understand you need to make money, which I am more then happy to spend, but creat a pack I will buy.... I am asking you to take money for Christmas sake.

native vapor Dec 25, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Negative feedback warning:

Sending your miner to an empty node, whilst under a peace shield, should not let that same mining vessel attack a miner that gets there first, dropping your peace shield with no notification or confirmation required, doubly so when you’re offline . . . At worst I feel that your miner should sit harmlessly next to the node, at risk until you recall it.

carmine jay Dec 25, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Didnt realise it did that, and yeah, that sux - great tip tho!

nova sierra Dec 25, 2018, 1:52 PM

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just read the channel's status..."Remember, constructive feedback is less damaging for the eye!". They should put 1984 on the curriculum and make it compulsory...

earnest comet Dec 25, 2018, 4:00 PM

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This have probably been discusses here before but the amount of chats make it hard to find. When you REFINE to get G3 uncommon, what is the % change to get one? I’ve been refining G3 ore two times a day for 23 days now (since last time I got one) but I haven’t gotten a single uncommon G3 ore. With this rate it will take be 4-5 years to be able to research the Kumari blueprint. Unless of course I just buy the G3....

carmine jay Dec 25, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Ive heard its 5%

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But idk!

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So 1/20 or 0/1000 if RNG hates u

lapis wigeon Dec 25, 2018, 4:14 PM

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@earnest comet it depends on your refinery level, I did not see any uncommons G3 until I hit 25 refinery and even at 25 they were quite rare. I am now 27 refinery and I’m seeing them a little more often this was my last result for refine earlier this morning.

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earnest comet Dec 25, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Never had any luck in chance games, so that might be it. My refinery is lvl 25, but it would be nice to know the actual percentage chance to get one.

wind frost Dec 25, 2018, 5:25 PM

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But the big problem there is in order to even get to L26 you need a lot of 3* resources. And unless you pay a shit load of money it would take you years to reach that, with the refinery rates the way it is now.

lapis wigeon Dec 25, 2018, 7:49 PM

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@potent cipher it seems in the high lvl 20s you hit a brick wall with uncommon, u can no longer take part in the research and building events as most buildings need uncommons...which leaves us with only 1 opportunity to get them through refinery which is I; my opinion broken. (This is outside of purchasing store packs of coarse) the ship leveling event is also useless as our ships are capped because of the need for rare 3* materials. What do I do now.....🤷‍♂️

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May I suggest dropping the refinery time, as you level up. This would make a lot of sense since your upgrading your refinery.... @potent cipher

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If we had more refines per day it would take the stress of complaints of the teams back for sure

carmine jay Dec 25, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Increase chance rate
Reduce refinery times - needs to be 6 hrs or less to have a real effect
Reduce requirements for 2x, 3x options or just remove them all together and let us choose.

Plenty of options there.. over to you @nova sierra @potent cipher

supple bluff Dec 25, 2018, 9:01 PM

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@lapis wigeon
"what you do now" is play Star Wreck Mining and Refining Simulator.

fierce axle Dec 25, 2018, 9:33 PM

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I can’t even be bothered to kill or refine anymore

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Feels like I do nothing in the game anymore

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Waiting on long built times with nothing to do in between

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Staring at my poor of the poor t3

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It’s sad when your jellyfish is 2x the power of your t3

torn pollen Dec 25, 2018, 9:35 PM

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what level are you Slade?

fierce axle Dec 25, 2018, 9:36 PM

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21 my jelly is 60k power my Kehra is 30k

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Waiting on ops 22 to start the build times all over again

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Every 10 hours I was getting like 7 common t3 ore

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5 days for 1 upgrade ? And there is what 6 per tier ....

carmine jay Dec 25, 2018, 9:39 PM

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60k power jelly at 21? Impressive!

fierce axle Dec 25, 2018, 9:40 PM

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And still can’t do missions and no daily npcs without spending massives trit amounts

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I’m lucky I was able to raid loads at lvl 17 or it would suck trying to repair all day to get 750 faction rep

lapis wigeon Dec 26, 2018, 2:09 AM

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@supple bluff how do I download that game...oh wait I’m playing it hehe

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 3:21 AM

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@carmine jay
Only impressive if it's f2p

supple bluff Dec 26, 2018, 3:25 AM

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MONOBROW is one of those players whose wallet size in inversely proportional to his intellect.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 8:24 AM

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@flat ivy it must he nice living off a trust fund and never getting rewarded for your effort or paid for any work, gratz.

livid vapor Dec 26, 2018, 10:10 AM

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So this is the next “storyline mission” the Combat Training, like how am I supposed to do this, when it’s in a system@I can no longer access because I can no longer warp ther because it needs a 47 Warp.....

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@nova sierra @potent cipher

livid vapor Dec 26, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Wow really another one.
Like wow really... 250 million Tritanium 😲

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flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:04 PM

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@carmine jay
What?
I was talking about him. Sure, a 60k ship is impressive at 21.
But if it's paid for, it doesn't count.
In no way is that my current situation.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:09 PM

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@flat ivy exactly. Therefore you also do not work for free, yet you seem to believe everything should be handed to you in game for little or no effort. The devs and infrastructure need paying for so others can play for free. Players like the 60k ship at 21 should be applauded, not mocked for choosing to spend their money to support and enjoy the game.

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You are either a child or incredibly naive if you think there isnt a cost associated with everything, in game or in life.

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:11 PM

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It's a vastly flawed game, with multiple things wrong, so much so the last refund wave saw Google play releasing 34k of funds back.

If I should be applauding anybody, it definitely isn't going to be somebody slamming money into a game where the Devs won't listen to the very people they added as founders.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Time or money, choose your currency

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:11 PM

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If you think otherwise, you're blind, or ignorantly playing a game without looking at the back end.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:12 PM

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I understand and appreciate the effort involved and am happy to pay to progress. You aren’t? Then dont spend, but if no one spent, there would be no game.

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:13 PM

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The issue arises when things have been purchased, and it's went backwards. Not progress.

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As a total, Google play as refunded more than 40k. For a game with less than that in active players, a lot less, that's a substantial amount of money.

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There are funds companies like this keep as "pillowing" so to speak for such occasions, so it doesn't go down in an instant when they realise the cost exceeds the profit.
But it will eventually happen when virtually all the purchases are being refunded. (For those who know how, and don't like paying for goods and services that aren't met, or are misinformed about its release status prior to purchase).

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Still a decent profift, android only for November then. And where did you get that 40k number from?

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Please give your credible source

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Apple did 100k too

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:21 PM

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My credible source for refund knowledge?

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:21 PM

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Yep

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:21 PM

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An employee from Google

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:21 PM

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Got something in writing? That can be corroborated?

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No? Ok

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An employee in apple told me Star Trek had 8 billiom downloads yesterday. True story bro.

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:22 PM

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You think I write down phone calls?

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:23 PM

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You are bitter, you are toxic, and taking it out on this community. Go do something positive with your life. Those around you will appreciate it.

And Happy Christmas 👍

flat ivy Dec 26, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Good luck kiddo with you're narrow grasp on this game. Hope you hit "endgame lvl 24" very soon and see what a cash grab this game really is.

Merry Christmas, and have a happy new year.

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@carmine jay
Please, read #💬-events-feedback from about.. 5 days ago til now.
If you're still stuck in your own small deluded world, then enjoy yourself, and your two best girlfriends lefty and righty, and hope you enjoy giving scopley a good o'll reach around in the process.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Married, 2 kids. Not looking for a bitch right now, but when I am, ill be sure you to look you up first. 👍

lapis wigeon Dec 26, 2018, 2:56 PM

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@carmine jay @flat ivy you both have a point this game is very coin intensive if you want quick progress. But that’s the intention of the devs... they don’t want quick progress unless ur willing to pay for it, which is fair. So whoever wants to spend there money away is entitled to you have no opinion on that unless you worked for his/her money. If noticed to many people complaining about people spending....they are entitled to spend there money as they please. Now yes the game does hit a f2p wall in the early 20s. But I’m sure that will change once enough people get there. I’m on the founder server which was released a month and a bit prior to full release and there are only a bunch of players that hit 20+... So it’s not yet a problem. The game is still new we need to give them a chance, if you aren’t happy with the game uninstall and stop complaining about people spending to gain advantage. Biggest issue rite now for me is scopely support system, seems like I’m speaking to a potato on the other end.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Yeah, im just fed up with self righteous millennials expecting everything for free with zero effort. This is a business, and Scopely/Digit have spent millions setting this up.

Yes, refining 3* is too low right now.
Yes, some crew skills dont work and that is unacceptable

But..this is a massive game, just take a look to appreciate the content for a minute here, and if you dont like it, or have had enough, leave constructive feedback or fuck off as the constant moaning will be ignored by devs and anyone else with half a brain for what it is, sour grapes, toxicity and jealousy for those who have chosen to spend.

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:28 PM

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@carmine jay So, what level are you?

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:28 PM

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22

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Game has a lot of flaws but you don't notice until you are high enough, yeah, it's supposed to be slow but while you wait there isn't anything to do

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I'm level 26

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And I'm struggling to upgrade things

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Most stuff asks me for more resources that I can't hold and as combat station is right now you can't farm players for them

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I have been refining for three weeks

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Twice everyday

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:29 PM

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26 is pretty much endgame rn tho? Epic ships, 3* miner... its meant to be slow imo

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Still no rares

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I can't research my g3 miners

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Refining needs adjustment for sure

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:30 PM

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A lots of things need adjustments

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And trust me I sent a lot of feedback, I'm first in my server

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They dont listen

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That's why we are complaining

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And it's not only me

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All high levels have same problem and it's not a matter of going too fast

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And if we are having these problems, eventually low levels will have too

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They should at least take the feedback and try to fix

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But they don't

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Agreed. Whats is your priority fix / issue order?

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Well first of all its stupid to ask for more resources than you can hold, if you are going to do that make people at least able to fight for the resources

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I don't know how many stations you attacked but I'm second in resources raided of my server and combat against stations suck

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:33 PM

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So increase base rss capacity / production / protection?

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:33 PM

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It's only worth it when your miners can get though

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Im first on my server for bases raided, about 22M so far

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Decrease costs , its stupid for instance to ask for 6m Parsteel when you can hold three

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And refining needs to be looked upon

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Well. They want to encourage raiding i guess

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Raiding is useless as game is right now

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I don't know if Armadas will change that

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:35 PM

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3* refining sux in current game state, but im overflowing with 2. And im guessing at level 30x would be the same for 3*

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But agree getting to high 20s with current rates is way to slow, if impossible

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But im guessing that adjustment will come

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I would tweak resources needed and make it logic

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Maybe increase upgrade times

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But reduce resources needed

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:37 PM

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They are likely just collecting data. Afaik om alpha./ beta it was very fast

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:37 PM

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If my base can hold 2.5k parst and you ask for 6m... Doesn't make much sense

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Which youd expect, but launch, they want to catch whales, which they have, now my guess is it will be adjusted soon

cloud torrent Dec 26, 2018, 3:38 PM

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If my base is 26, my resource warehouses are upgraded to 26 but to level 27 you ask for triple resources...

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I raided at least 15M parsteel. That took me from 18 to 22

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26/27 is likely less than 0.05% of population rn

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There are definitely issues. We just need cool heads and patience. Not toxicity and riots.

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And anyone here who believes its a lost cause, ok. But please just leave unless you have something constructive to add.

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 4:17 PM

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@cloud torrent @carmine jay thanks for this discussion!

lapis wigeon Dec 26, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Simple send all the top players a survey and let them tell Scopely what they think about the game and where it needs to be looked at

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Was readying GC some lvl 17 complaining about uncommon 2* they don’t realize what’s about to come lol

gaunt ferry Dec 26, 2018, 4:26 PM

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I have filled out 9 of their surveys since I started playing. Not sure how many others are getting.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@nova sierra did you seriously just kick me from general discussion for asking scopely to do its job lol

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:38 PM

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@elder mason No? Having issues?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:38 PM

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yes general discussion channel is no longer visible

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same with events discussion

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i highly doubt this is a conicidence

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:38 PM

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This is odd.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:39 PM

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visible again after restarting discord

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Okay - really don't know what happened there. No other mods in currently.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:40 PM

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probably a bug or i clicked somethingw ithout realising

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what's the post-christmas status on game fixes?

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Okay, cool. I have not once stopped anyone expressing a problem they see in game.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:41 PM

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i tested battling in the new systems

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it is still going to take an inordintae amount of time to get to higher faction levels

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we're talking 4-6 months

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to get 1 million faction points

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with barely any game content to break that up into anything that feels rewarding

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are the devs aware of this?

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the 1 positive is that you no longer have to knock out neutral ships to get at faction ships

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Don't have any updates for you currently. And I do report all this feedback to the team.
If you missed it, the current priorities are :

A fix for the Battle Report consistently incorrectly showing defeated stations HP.
Milestone Rewards screen consistently popping up even after rewards are claimed.
Officer Ability fixes.
Ships getting stuck in combat/on mines.
Battle reports occasionally being deleted.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:43 PM

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god that's dire

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can you answer this

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how many unity devs do you have working on fleet command right now

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??

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Hi @nova sierra , can you confirm (or deny 😬) if the 3* refining rates are .. 1. Working as intended, 2. Acknowledged as needing review, 3. Being looked at / collecting data or 4
Something else, thanks 👍

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:51 PM

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@elder mason I don't have those numbers to hand.

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@nova sierra i got a suggestion... Maybe give People reasonable goals for donation missions... After i already gave away 7.5 million tritanium i get this demand...

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:51 PM

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can you inquire and get back to me?

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:51 PM

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1.5 million raw Ore...

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That s a 1000+ hours of mining...

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@carmine jay hey, I have seen your list before. 😃 I have refine rates at the top of my list of feedback - I'll get details for you.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 6:53 PM

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@elder mason afaik, this is still the development team .. lots of info about them here https://www.digitgaming.com

DIGIT Game Studios

DIGIT is Ireland's largest game developer, home to an extremly talented multi-cultural team and creators of Star Trek Fleet Command.

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:53 PM

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That's the team @carmine jay

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:54 PM

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72 people are working on this?

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jesus christ

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:54 PM

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@nova sierra Again, I will pass that on.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 6:54 PM

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@nova sierra thanks for acknowledging that, and trust me (and others) doing something on 3* rates will buy you guys a lot of credit with the community 👍

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Thx @nova sierra

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Sorry you guys, I only hoped on to let people know about the chests (I am actually meant to be on my way to a family thing).
Ill chase these up, but I have to disappear now.

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@nova sierra no worries

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Live long and prosper. 🖖 Keep the feedback coming.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:57 PM

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can't you just tell your family that the rollout of your attendance at the gathering was delayed but that you're looking into it and something might get done about it in 3 months?

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 6:58 PM

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@elder mason Ive ran teams of hundreds of people that do software development and infrastructure and believe me Its not simple. Be patient and know that it is in their interests not to piss us off.

And if you do think its simple, go do it and ill be happy to feedback on your first release.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:58 PM

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this is a terrible argument lol

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firstly take a look at the subreddits of scopely's other games

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our complaints are native to all their other games

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Digit <> Scopley

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 6:59 PM

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2nd your assumption that it's not in their best interests to piss us off is only valid if they care about long-term users

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all the evidence from the founders server suggests they do not

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they are interested ing etting new customers to play the early stage game which is enticing and encourages people to spend money

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and then they get burned later

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:00 PM

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STFC is the dev house. The problems with refining rates, officer skills etc will be addressed.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:00 PM

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that's why they launched globally despite the game having infinite problems and bugs

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they just wanted more $

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:00 PM

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If you want to be competitive as f2p in a base raiding pvp game, then yeah. You may aswell quit now

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Else, hang in there, itll be worth it

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:01 PM

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i am not f2p

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stop making assumptions

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i understand why you do it

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it's because that's hwo you pattern and reason

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but everything you are taking for granted is causing you to miss the point

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Ok, what is your point.?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:01 PM

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my point is that you are giving them far too much credit

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Please summarise

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:02 PM

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when plenty of evidence exists from both this game and scopely's other games

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Who? Scopely or Digit?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:02 PM

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that they are extremely greedy and only care about maximising their $ and do not care about long term enjoyment of the game by users

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Scopely

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Digit is immaterial because theya re not the ones making long term strategic decisions

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they are implementing the instructions of scopely

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Ok, so lets take that as read. Scopely want a cash grab. What is your main issue with the scopely cash grab rn?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:03 PM

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that i paid money for a game based on certain mechanics that were summarily ripped away with barely any notice

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and replaced with extermely deficient sub-par mechanics

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the DIGIT beta build was actually much better than what they have now lol

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Ok, which mechanic?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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all of it

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progression

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in terms of base levelling

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ship building

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Which. “All” is kinda vague

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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people paid money

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to get items

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that were based on what theyw ere worth

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in the old meta

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this was summarily changed without warning

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it's a classic bait and switch scam

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Ok, so this is only a founder problem?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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no this will quickly become an everyone problem

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Ok, which

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 PM

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because you guys are in for a world of hurt when you reach level 22

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and it will take you literal months to accumulate rss

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Please, try to be specific

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:05 PM

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or thousands of $ fo ra single base upgrade

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i just did lol

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I am 22. And will be 23 tomorrow.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:05 PM

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and how much are you spending rn

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:05 PM

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And I have not spent thousands

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I bought 4 ultra packs to go from max 18 to 23

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 PM

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tbh it's been so long now since i was that level that it might be further along

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also they may have changed things a bit

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 PM

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That is not thousands.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 PM

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regardless where i am now at 27

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it will be thousands

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for you to go 27 to 28

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either thousands or months

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u pick

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 PM

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If I max everything or min everything?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 PM

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u have to max everything

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at a certain point

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it requires all ur def platforms

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to go to same station level

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which requires all the otehr buildigns basically to go same level

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u won't have a choice

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Ok, so to summarise, 27-28 costs thousands, therefore the game is broke and scopley is a cash grab, is that your point?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:08 PM

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any sort of progress past a point

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is incredibly broken

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yes

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and there's no content

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past a certain level

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like literally nothing

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let me help you visualise it

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:08 PM

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So for 0.0005% of players its very expensive?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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guess what the cost is for just the R&D building

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just that one building

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to go 27 to 28

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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We have plenty of free2play or very low spenders im our alliance who are having a lot of fun

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And competing against similar levels

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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and they will hit a wall

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and that wall will be crushing

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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And dolphin on dolphin and whale on whale

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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monobrow i answered all your questions

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now u answer mine

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guess the cost

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just R+D

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Why do plankton need to eat whale?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 PM

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27 to 28

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Ok, shoot

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 PM

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i did

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Cost of r&d to go 27-28?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 PM

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ya

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just give me ur best guess

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u seem to know heaps about game design

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so u'll know how to estimate an exponential curve etc

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big smart man like u

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Parsteel..... idk, 8M? Plus 500 common crystal, 50 uncommon, 10 rare?

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Howd I do?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:11 PM

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double pretty much everything

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triple the uncommon

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that's 1 building

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 PM

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16, 1000, 150?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 PM

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out of 10 u need to upgrade to 28

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if u don't realise taht's fucked

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then ur just a sucker

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sorry to say it

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I realise that its a lot

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 PM

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no

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it's unsustainable

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and an exorbitant cash grab

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 PM

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And a wall

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 PM

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if u look at any other successful game in the genre

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it's never a wall

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it's a barrier

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 PM

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And wonder how many on non founder are anywhere near that

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 PM

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that u can pay to get over

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but grinding can get u thru it

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and u can enjoy the grind on the way thru

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yeah so

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we were on the founder server enjoying ourselves

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and got ripped out of what we were enjoying into this

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so our gripe is

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they chased this $ from new players

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 PM

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And am glad its very expensive to stop dolphins. But whales will be whales

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 PM

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knowing they were going to ruin the game for us

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lol

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and suckers will be suckers

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 PM

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You know how much some people make in a day?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 PM

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this is a useless convo

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enjoy being exploited

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ever heard the term useful idiot?

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that's all u are good for

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have a nice life

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Someone who makes 10k a day is an idiot? K

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 PM

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LOL

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my dad can bea tup ur dad

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i make 20k a day

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payslip or gtfo imo

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 PM

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I never said that, i said that the fact you cant afford it doesnt mean no one can

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 PM

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lol

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u are seriously stupid

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Im 45 with kids, how about you?

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 PM

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goodbye

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i feel sorry fo rur kids

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Haha

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Sure

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 PM

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bit of a handicap to start life with an idiot for a dad

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Haha

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Oh no, @elder mason called me a name, 😂😂

gaunt ferry Dec 26, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Some people do not stop and think... maybe we were not meant to be here yet.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Listen kid, let go of that negative attitude. It will stop you in life

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:18 PM

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true. i hope one day i can be a 45 yo father with kids who spends his time arguing on discord with people half his age and make stupid illogical points

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pls teach

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 7:20 PM

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I teach those who can be taught. Not self obsessed name calling kids. But seriously, lose the negativity, you must be good and something, go do that instead.

elder mason Dec 26, 2018, 7:20 PM

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yeah i am pretty good at clearly elucidating rational arguments to the irrational

gaunt ferry Dec 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Is that we are calling trolling these days?

torn pollen Dec 26, 2018, 7:39 PM

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the ad-hominem back and forths don't really get us anywhere feedback-wise

nova sierra Dec 26, 2018, 7:49 PM

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do the brainiacs who call themselvesv devs realize that Europe is on a different time-zone???

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or is it too much for them to realize that 'Murica is not the only country on the globe?

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did they even graduate from middle-school?

supple bluff Dec 26, 2018, 7:53 PM

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@nova sierra
They graduated from middle of the road school.

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Btw toxic haters, know that if the pricing / barriers to entry are lowered (to whatever your cost complaint is; p2win Jelly, lack of 3* resources, 27-28 ops cost) all that would happen is we would have more dolphins in todays range and whales who are still prepared to spend ridiculous amounts at level 30x or 40x range. Net result = the same.

Point being there needs to be walls and some people will always be able to throw enough resources at it to break it down. If you want a level skill based playing field, there are plenty of others options for you. But this is a RPG, level, gacha and numbers based pvp raiding game. This game type is brutal, and it is not for everyone.

rare roost Dec 26, 2018, 11:47 PM

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@carmine jay I believe your focusing so much on the whiners you're not actually paying attention to the productive feedback, most reasonable players just want to be able to farm ships like the jelly for free.

Ofcourse their should always be walls but the game in its current state allows you to pay to jump over one wall, most future walls and gives you a leed over other players that snowballs into always being ahead.

The event today shows this horrable system in practice, the higher your level the higher your cap is on the leaderboard points for the cosmic carnage event. Its not about the fact the game rewards you for spending money its about the fact the game punish's you for not spending money.

"This game type is brutal, and it is not for everyone." Then it developers have absolutly no idea how the genre works or how to make a successful MMO mobile game, this game will die with a small community. and your saying

carmine jay Dec 26, 2018, 11:53 PM

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I played Game of War with people who would spend 10k+ a month on raiding bases. This is “cheap” and “good value” compared to that.

Footballers (soccer for our American friends) shouldn’t earn 300k a week. Jeff Bezos shouldn’t have a net worth of 160 Bn, but he does.

We need to seperate the errors (dodgy leaderboards, crew skills borked) from the.... f2p vs p2win (your jelly keeeled my ship, waaaahhh) discussions.

Coding and dev issues will be sorted, the fact that there are p2win aspects of this game is what it is. If you “cant afford” the price set by scopely to advance to god like levels then the answer is simple, don’t spend - no one is forcing you.

rare roost Dec 26, 2018, 11:58 PM

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@carmine jay your personal experence playing a similar game means nothing, whats the most successful title in this genre of game. that matters, the facts matter.

Jeff bezos is a perfect example of someone who understands planning for the longrun and keeping costs low will build a community around your product and make you a billionaire. This game is not like amazon, clash of clans is like amazon.

I agree we do need to seperate the two lines of feedback because whiners dont actally contribute to improving they game, things being fair and things being balanced are two completly seperate topics.
No game is fair. Great games are balanced.

@carmine jay it calls itsself a free to play title, the idea anyone cannot afford that price is ludicrous and points to the problem does it not?

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Most of the playerbase thats still playing is stuck in the bottleneck created at rigel, their are next to no resources to farm due to low system count and low space, the area on my server is like a graveyard of players that have quit, the players ahead of them are backtracking to farm kills and resources, something they themselves never faced when they were lvling upward through the same area.

You say noone is forcing player to pay yet the game is giving players no other option, they can barely make progress now and can either quit or drop money to quickly level and move past that part of the game.

Its sad, its just really really sad this games community is dying off so quickly.

carmine jay Dec 27, 2018, 12:42 AM

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So.. is it that you fundamentally disagree with the fact that you should pay to progress? Or that the cost scopely is asking is too high? @rare roost