Limit Salad for every person to use one GPU type per IP and user... what does salad have to lose?

[indigo marten]

Many users included myself haven't got a container almost in a whole month (probably even more). Make every user be able to use one kind of GPU (they can use one GPU per GPU series 4080, 4090, etc), they can use many but one kind of GPU per series (two 4080s not allowed, but 4080 x 1, 4060 x 1 is allowed... keep reading till the end). This would make container availability fair for everyone and make them more widespread, instead of leaving the computer on the whole night to find out I didn't get a single container.

Computer usage goes to waste, SSD goes to waste, GPU goes to waste, electricity goes to waste. This could give a fair chance to everyone since container availability isn't getting solved anytime soon.

This can even stop a whole bunch of users to don't give up on Salad.

IMPORTANT: If the containers become too available across Salad, then give users a chance to be able to use a repeated GPU series (e.g. the user has 2 4080 graphics cards, no more than that, if they have 3 then one of them is ignored, but exceptions can ONLY be made and GPUs increased depending on container availability across salad). I know this option might be something complex to implement than everything mentioned before.

[unique nest]

Salad has all those nodes to lose lol

I get you're upset with people with multiple PCs, but this isn't the solution to the problem

[indigo marten]

Well, they and everyone in Salad are still being considered by those users not being greedy and giving a chance to everyone. I thought a single computer by a single user is considered a node.

That is how network sharing apps consider everyone by limiting every user to share internet with only one computer by IP and keep the users engaged.

[unique nest]

A single PC is a single node, a user can have as many nodes running as they want.
Salad's situation is different to those bandwidth sharing apps - they more likely limit it to one device per IP because they don't want their customers fighting for bandwidth on the same potentially slow connection.

[clever agate]

your ssd and gpu are not going to waste "idling", at worst its a waste of electricity but if you were so concerned with that, you wouldnt be on salad in the first place

[surreal void]

Limiting users by gating access is a very poor solution especially if salad is trying to grow its base. Besides those with multiple pc's, like myself, also can have access to blocks of static ip address. Personally i have access to 25 static ips. Other services require blocks of ports for each node for communication. Sure limiting access will create an artificial drought in nodes, and there may be an exodus to other services that pay more further preventing Salads growth.

As an aside, @indigo marten what specs are you running, maybe we can help rule out something wrong with your install

[indigo marten]

@surreal void I have a 4090 laptop with 64gb ram

I have left my laptop on just to wait for a container for the last 10 days and nothing... this is what my chart looks like

the little ones are crypto mining but the earnings give me a reason to just turn crypto off

[surreal void]

Ok well a laptop 4090 is not a 4090 but more closer to a 4080 spec wise, 16gb vram and 256bit bus. There is probably not any demand for mobile 4090 when 4070ti super has same vram/bus config. For trouble shooting sake exit salad, open power shell as admin and run "wsl --shutdown" then open explorer and go to c:\programdata\salad\wsl\ and delete the vhdx file there. This deletes the salad enterprise linux and any garbage associated with it. Then you can either reboot or restart the saladbowl service to redownload the wsl instance and startup salad

[indigo marten]

So demand can just be back anytime? I have almost collected more than $100

Ill go through those steps mentioned

[surreal void]

All i can say for demand is my 3080tis 12gb get jobs, my dual epycs get cpu/ram jobs, my 4090s get jobs, my 4070 ti supes get jobs. So there are jobs out there but i think the dashboard for the other side when it comes to selecting which cards for jobs 4090m may not be in demand

[hallow bolt]

mobile cards and desktop cards are considered the same to salad containers

[surreal void]

Well thats a bit misleading then because if a buyer has a job that requires more than 16gb vram and it gets assigned to a 4090m with it could cause the job to fail and ding the node preventing other jobs

[hallow bolt]

🤷‍♂️

its how it is

[surreal void]

yes but in the context of not getting jobs it muddles the waters of pin pointing the actual cause. Is it a container shortage or is it the node is considered poor preventing future jobs because it doesnt perform as it should. Obviously this is up to salad to provide more clarification on how it handles mobile versus desktop with different specs and how they present it to buyers

[hallow bolt]

yes it is up to salad

[indigo marten]

@surreal void something is definitely wrong with salad, I reinstalled with an uninstaller that cleans everything even the paths and registry and now i got a container. I am sad how does this happen? Salad needs to fix this permanently haha

Magically after 2 hours with the fresh new install, I get a container after a waiting a month -_-

[surreal void]

I regularly cleanup up the wsl vhdx file, haven't had to uninstall reinstall for a few versions now but im glad its working now for you

[hallow bolt]

they arent

containers demands have stayed the same, only thing that has increased are the amount of chefs

[unique nest]

well, the number of containers deployed has likely increased a bit

but the number of users has increase a lot more than that

here's a visual demonstration of this

[hallow bolt]

ozua handwriting leaked

[surreal void]

the quality of containers seemed to have dropped as well, at least for me, most dont last more than a few hours to a few minutes

[late glade]

That can be developers building/testing/evaluating workloads on Salad. Not a bad sign imo.

[civic creek]

From Salad’s point of view an oversupply of GPU’s is not a problem in that it’s one more thing they don’t have to worry about. Yes they speak supportively of our concern, but it’s not a problem. A problem is when we leave for other platforms.

This is not wrong on their part – remember they are running a business and we are not on the board of directors.

There are other platforms starting up that do the same thing as salad. This will of course pull more gpus out of the woodwork, but will also help reduce gpu’s here.

Better times ahead

[surreal void]

The thing with salad is its target market and it shows. It wants idle gamers resources with consumer gpus. Its a perfect niche to fill as other services require a bit more working knowledge of setup and linux. Some even require data center levels of uptime. And you lose the utility of your rig.

With salad we can choose when to run it or game or mine or whatever with just a few clicks. As long as the rewards are worth the time, electric and wear & tear on the computer its a great service. But i wouldnt rely on it as a source of income

[tired drift]

This isn’t true salad wants people with idle unused pcs gamers aren’t the people who salad wants they want stable servers/pc that are unused saying they want gamers is a joke because they pretty much aren’t idle less there sleeping and if that’s the case they will never get any jobs because there uptime isn’t good enough.

[surreal void]

Tell me how many containers are available again for any rtx a4000,5000,6000,800? How about the L40s? Because ive had each of those on for several days when i was testing the waters and not a single job given meanwhile my 3080s /ti 4060ti 16gb , 4070 ti supers and 4090s all got jobs. Their target market is for mostly gamers, streamers, some digital content vreators, just look at the rewards and you can see that.

Also from when they did referrals the canned message on link generation to share on social media says it all

Obviously not mine but was in my feeds

[jaunty marsh]

unless you work for salad as an employee, your statement on what is factual or not is completely based on your own opinions about salad from a hoster standpoint.

In other words, you are bullshitting out of your ass.

Angaros has made it explicitly clear that salad is targeted towards gamers multiple times over the course of this year.

And incase you aren't informed somehow, Angaros is apart of Salad, he works for the company. And so his words has merit and yours don't.

[surreal void]

If they wanted to broaden their customer and hosting base they could launch a Salad Pro service with more stringent requirements for hardware and uptime. But i think Salad is good as is and this gives them good experience to get any bugs worked out before launching such a service

[jaunty marsh]

I believe they are launching / testing / creating multiple services in the background that we, as hosters, are not privy to knowing.

for example, we were only made known of "Salad Transcription Services" after a hoster who also a customer on salad front-end made public of that information. Who knows, there might be other services salad is providing to customers on markets that we never knew exist.

For context on 'Salad Transcription Service" - take a look at this, a listing of salad services on a online business-centric market called, AppSumo: https://appsumo.com/products/salad-transcription/

Appsumo is one of the niche markets that most of us here never knew about until like a month or two ago. There could be very well be more markets out there that salad is trying to create a front on like this one. So let them do the work while we just focus on maintaining our rigs

Also just INCASE you do not know why this is relevant, that above service utilizes our GPUs on the salad network to transcribe for clients renting salad for this specific service.

[surreal void]

Now thats what i like seeing, growth. Now if they could only not double dip on earnings and rewards. 30% cut is a little steep on rentals and the differing rewards "tax" is penalizing. I reached out to tango for a different reason entirely and while they have a minimum fee for processing rewards issued it can be dynamic where the enrolled party can manually set the fee and profit the difference. Not complaining just saying. Granted my instance was for a different industry where my clients earn loyalty points so they may have different models for different industries

[tired drift]

Hate to break it to you 4090s are used in datacenters which is why they are popular i bet all of them are not gamers either they are dedicated to salad and nothing else

[tired drift]

If it’s for gamers why are gamers punished for using there machines for gaming…its a good indication that it’s not for gamers it’s an idea that they started.

[tired drift]

You can laugh all you want, there L40s and 4090/ are cheaper and easier to get..

[surreal void]

I dunno maybe the whole "earn from your idle gpu resources" angle

[tired drift]

and converted over to enterprise

[tired drift]

Plenty of datacenters have idle gpus…

[surreal void]

And plenty of datacenters charge for power usage, cooling and rack space, which $5/day would barely cover

You cant get density with salad as it only uses 1 dgpu at a time. As a host you would literally have to dedicate the time and resources to build out a multi gpu rig, which would be atleast 5u in size to provide the space & cooling for say 4 4090s. Slap a type 1 hv on it that supports nested virtualization and configure 4 windows vms, with licenses....

[tired drift]

I didn’t say people should rent from datacenters to run on salad

Home labs also have massive servers that can do the same

also miners

[surreal void]

Homelabs are not datacenters, and i have 5 dual epyc systems running which 1 is a multi gpu salad machine. If the goal is income there are other services that make more than salad which goes back to say you are not going to walk into a dc and see a rack of 4090s on salad

[tired drift]

Your just proving my point..

Its not for gamers period

I also have 6 epyc systems in my rack

with 8H100s now with 8 4090s

[surreal void]

And you're missing the point of salad entirely.

[jaunty marsh]

why are you speaking for salad

you are acting and pretending that your point is factual when really, it's just air

[tired drift]

Im speakingm experiance

[jaunty marsh]

who gives a shit dude

[tired drift]

Gamers do not stand a chance

[jaunty marsh]

[tired drift]

It is a fact

Just cause salad doesnt say it

[jaunty marsh]

if you want to be so upset, just go vast.ai or somewhere else

lol

[tired drift]

Im not a gamer and im not upset...

[jaunty marsh]

sure buddy

[tired drift]

Im just pointing a fact

[jaunty marsh]

have fun with your own delusions

and 'facts'

[tired drift]

I just said im not upset..

Its not a delusion

Im also not a gamer

[surreal void]

Curious how much your hoppers make on salad, btw

[tired drift]

I see everyday how many people are upset on salad because they dont get any jobs

[tired drift]

Ive been told they arent supported ive tried a few times but they dont get anything

[surreal void]

That more than likely because they are not listed on the dashboard for selection. You might be able to spoof the vendor id in Promox, but that would just re label it a 4090 or 4080 so earning would be the same in theory, unless they have some type of scoring mechanism for each rig

[tired drift]

I thought about doing that

But the H100s are better in linux

[clever agate]

omg are you the dude from reddit

nvm that dude had 20 A100s

still, good luck trying to ever recoup the costs bro

[tired drift]

Lol.. Im not here using salad to recoup costs they have already bought an paid for themselfs in the last year

[clever agate]

wait so why are you here?

[tired drift]

Well I like to test new projects

Between deploying and hosting

[clever agate]

you should look at vast or tensordock

[tired drift]

ive tried vast back in the day never really liked it

They only supported ubuntu14 or something

[open hedge]

ive got 6 machines on vast, and 1 on salad. I get clients on vast easy but they pay less. salad pays more but i hardly get containers

[hallow igloo]

vast?

[lapis briar]

Dystopian "containers for everyone" take...

[frosty path]

I have 7 rigs with 4090 running 24/7 and my chart looks similar to his. I don't believe in "demanded hardwarde" anymore 😛

[dull plover]

How much do you get paid

On vast

For 1 machine

And what is your machine configuration

@open hedge

How much would be the ideal payrate of 4060ti 16gb with 64 gigs of ram and 700gb ssd

Sald has been unfair tbh

[dull plover]

This wont work

And its a bad idea

Terrible tbh

I personally have two systems

1 with the gpu 4060ti 16gb

One with some shit intel cpu, which mines 24x7

If they introduce such shit ip thing, my second shit will be useless

[indigo marten]

Well you have unique gpus, so they would work... I never said users can only use 1 gpu per ip they just have to be unique (4060, 4070, 4080 all three can be used) and ONLY if there is a lot of demand then they should allow 2 or more of the same ones and control that number depending on demand.

But give a chance to every single user

[jaunty marsh]

Did i get ghost pinged here?

[unique nest]

idk why this convo is still going on, salad isn't going to artificially limit the number of pcs that users can run, this is the wrong solution to this 'problem'

[indigo marten]

well if that was 100% true, then they should have never put that lock gpu restriction when gaming... they do want idle GPUs in their favor. We are not GPU farms, if this is REALLY for gamers then that restriction shouldnt exist.

If they cant give 100% container availability then they shouldnt ask for 100% GPU availability/usage. If they cant change that then we (gamers) are not their clients.

[unique nest]

you both understand and don't understand what you're saying

[indigo marten]

Chances of getting a container when gaming are 0 this moment, they should at least let people hold to it for 30 minutes to finish a game if not give it to the next person

[jaunty marsh]

eh I don't really care, it is what it is

[unique nest]

You're not supposed to run salad while gaming lmfao

[indigo marten]

then its not for gamers

[unique nest]

why make a customer wait half an hour when they could give that job to someone that isn't gaming

[indigo marten]

GPU farms are what they need

not us

[unique nest]

salad isn't meant to be run while gaming. gamers can run salad when they're not gaming. understand the separation

[indigo marten]

then the word gamers shouldnt even exist from salad representatives

just "users"

people wouldnt even say anything if they didnt use the word "gamers"

[unique nest]

salad isn't saying "run our app while gaming". they're saying "hey gamers, while you're not gaming; while you're afk, run our app"

[surreal void]

👆 This

[indigo marten]

They forgot: "... and run the app for a week without getting a container and wasting electricity" because containers are not instantaneous

[clever agate]

I mean running containers is still a waste of electricity, if you cared about the planet you wouldnt do it anyway lol

[gaunt whale]

So did we all agree not to agree with the op

[open hedge]

my best one is 4090 with dual Xeon 128gb - getting $3.50/day

[indigo marten]

im confused too... lol

[dull plover]

Oh my bad, that is a good idea

My skill issue misunderstanding it

[dull plover]

That kinda hurt 💀

[dull plover]

We are here to eat this planet 😔 Sadly every single on of us is destroying the nature

Idk it is fun, I am biggering

How bad can i possibly be?

||Totally no lorax moment||

[dull plover]

THATS BAD!

[quiet zephyr]

It’s still marketed to gamers cause when your NOT playing games like sleeping or homework you use salad

Do you can get rewards for your game

[quiet zephyr]

And unlike Vast.ai you can turn it on and off frequently

[hallow bolt]

i dont know many gamers that play 24/7 💀

[hallow bolt]

yeah and (most) gamers would already fit the requirnment of having powerful hardware

[indigo marten]

that doesnt keep GPU farmers away from Salad... if its for gamers then its only "for gamers"

[hallow bolt]

why is it limited for gamers

thats absurd

anyone can use salad if they want

anythings free game

[indigo marten]

then its not for gamers we just need the app to say "users"

[hallow bolt]

its not specificaly for and only for gamers?

its litterally branding bro

u getting mad over branding

even though you get the point

are you serious right now

ur trolling

humans are doomed

be ashamed damn bro look at urself

[quiet zephyr]

It is marketed to gamers, that does not stop gpu farms from joining, fast food is marketed to lower class but that does not stop upper clsss from purchasing there

[tired drift]

I thought fast food was marketed to lazy people?

[quiet zephyr]

That too

Trash example but whatever

[tired drift]

fast food isnt as cheap as it used to be

You gotta be pretty rich to order fast food

[quiet zephyr]

Eh

4$ for lunch isn’t rich

[tired drift]

that seems alot cheaper then what I spend

[quiet zephyr]

Region?

[tired drift]

canada

[quiet zephyr]

I’m in the us

Where coke is cheaper than water

[tired drift]

1 double cheese burger from md is more then 7 dollars here

You could spend over 100 bucks for a family

I remember when it was 99cents

for a value meal

[quiet zephyr]

Bacon double cheeseburger meal is 8&

8$ for me

Just the double cheeseburger is 3.99

[tired drift]

Almost as much as five guys

[quiet zephyr]

wtf my McDonald’s is goated

Although I don’t really eat fast food

[tired drift]

Only on payday

[hallow bolt]

wtf

damn

[quiet zephyr]

everything is hella cheap for me, just picked up a rx580 for 5$

[quiet zephyr]

My area is goated