Bandwidth Sharing FAQs + Troubleshooting

[half tendon]

I’ve heard SGS has been running for about 4 years without any legal issues, but if something illegal ever happens through it, does Salad support the host or is all the responsibility on the host?

[upbeat shuttle]

Personally, I've had no issues at all in the ~4 years I've been running bandwidth sharing. No complaints from my ISP, no issues with any streaming websites.
Anecdotally from what I've seen in this server, I don't recall anyone talking about them getting in any legal trouble from running bandwidth sharing. At worst it might be some streaming services not working until the user restarts their router to get a new IP, which again is very rare from what I've seen.

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm pretty sure the responsibility lies on the user, not Salad. Though as the user does not know what traffic is being sent, I'm pretty sure in most countries this would mean the user is not liable either. In which case I think the responsibility would loop back to the SGS customer?

[robust creek]

Salad seems one of the safest apps to run, be careful about other apps, example traffmonetizer, when i tried to run it, after about 2 months i got abuse reports saying i was doing illegal stuff with my connection, and pawns that destroyed my ip reputation and honeygain ip banned me from paypal, but salad, running without problems

[half tendon]

I get your point, but that’s exactly what worries me as a host, I don’t know who the SGS customer is or what kind of traffic is being routed through my connection. Even if the actual misuse comes from the customer, my IP is still the one visible to the ISP or authorities, so I’d likely be the first one questioned.That’s why I don’t think responsibility can fully “loop away” from the host in practical terms. At the very least, I think Salad should add an update that at least shows the type of activity like streaming, scraping, or similar without going into specific websites, so users have some level of transparency and control.

[robust creek]

You would not get in troubles anyways, example when i got the abuse reports saying i was doing illegal stuff with my connection and was very bad stuff, i just stopped using the app and thats it

Let me find back what traffmonetizer did..

[half tendon]

Yeah, I was just trying to understand the level of legal trouble I could get into if something goes wrong like if someone used my bandwidth to steal credit card details and drain an account, and it ends up being traced back to my IP 😂

[robust creek]

Read what happened with my ip thanks by traffmonetizer XD

They got mad but i stopped running it and thats it, nothing else

[half tendon]

Did they cut off your connection? That’s some seriously illegal activity happening through your bandwidth with TraffMonetizer.

[robust creek]

Yes for a while, i just said i was running an application that was selling my connection, they told me stop running it and i said ok

Salad is running since 2022, nothing happened

[half tendon]

So u still running that isp connection or u changed it afterwards ?

[robust creek]

Same

[half tendon]

If that happened to me, I’d honestly be traumatized… and you’re still doing bandwidth sharing after that? You’ve got some serious guts.

[robust creek]

I'm 100% sure it was traffmonetizer, i was running earnapp and salad from years, nothing happened, i gave traffmonetizer a try and after almost 2 months this happened, it's clear who cause it

[half tendon]

How did you find all of this? Like, how were you able to see such detailed information about what was happening on your connection?

[robust creek]

Support came to me and sent me the screenshot

Because connection stopped working, i opened a ticket and they said i was doing illegal stuff and sent the photo

[half tendon]

I see

[robust creek]

Its up to you, salad SEEMS safe

Seems

Use at your own risks

[half tendon]

So you’ve never faced any issues with Salad like torrenting flags, IP reputation problems, or any kind of warnings, right? I’ve seen quite a few people report torrenting activity through Salad, and I’m not sure why it isn’t being stopped I’ve personally experienced the torrenting issue too.

[robust creek]

Torrenting is not illegal in my country so dont use me as tester, i mean.. if you download pirate content here nothing happens but i know if you do in germany you are fucked

[half tendon]

Where are u from ?

[robust creek]

Italy

[half tendon]

How come italy doesn't recognise torrenting as something illegal 😆

[robust creek]

Its illegal but nothing happens if you do it XD

Not even reports or anything

[half tendon]

I see 😂

[safe loom]

afaik a majority of countries do not consider torrenting illegal, however you can be reported to law enforcement agencies if you're torrenting illegal content or IP content (think cease and desists from movie studios like warner bros)

however

with SGS we only offer data transmission for verified businesses that offer streaming services, we're legally unable to disclose who these clients are unless the client themselves disclose it

we also do not allow NSFW business that offer streaming services, each business is verified and signs many legally binding documents that would deter them from using the service for unexpected use, if you ever monitor potentially malicious behaviour you can always file a report in a ticket to us at support ([email protected]) and we will investigate

[half tendon]

What about many users reporting about torrenting been done on there ip by salad, I personally faced 10 illegal torrent stuff those were 18+ content been downloaded so I stopped salad yesterday

[safe loom]

now of the words of a user instead of representative:
salad is safe, we've never been notified of unexpected use or malicious behaviour, theres been reports that were faked by a competitor to salad however many of these competitiors like Honeygain, Earnapp, Pawns, fucking Grass have been known to publically sell their services for botnetting and proxy scrapping uses

[safe loom]

if you believe these were caused by salad and can show approximate timestamps we can investigate traffic related to your machine(s) to confirm and pursue action

personally the only issues i've experienced with SGS are temporary blocks with streaming providers like Netflix and Disney+, this can happen if their backends temporarily flag your IP as one of the streaming proxy providers, we typically suggest you contact us at support for it, but really you're better off telling the provider you can't login (Disney+ fixed the issue for me within 5 minutes)

when grass was just "created" to put it simply, they advertised it here, i had a talk with the alleged "CEO" (before i represented Salad) and found out their business was backed by "Wynnd Networks" going to their twitter i found them advertising botnetting and proxy services with "residential nodess" 😭

not to mention they launched that shitcoin

[safe loom]

can't find those tweets anymore, all been wiped the second grass was rebranded from a proxy service

[robust creek]

Never used grass, always heard it was not worth using from the beginning

[safe loom]

it isn't

[half tendon]

Sadly, I didn’t note down my IP and I removed Salad from my PC 🥲, so all the logs are probably gone.
From what I remember, I had been running Salad for about a week and the traffic was normal around 200–250 GB. But in the last few days, I found out that you can check IP reputation and torrent activity.
So I looked into it more deeply and visited a site to check torrent usage. Surprisingly, on April 22–23, there were 18+ torrents downloaded. What was even more surprising is that on those same days, my traffic was much higher than usual around 518 GB and 589 GB.

[safe loom]

their whole schmick was copying salad's storefront, afaik it's never been launched years after expected release, instead you get paid in some shitty coin thats been pumped and dumped

[half tendon]

💀

Yeah it's illegal and some games repack too were download i remember it was like 50-70 gb size

[safe loom]

your IP just represents your home network, the legal documents should define the IPv4 number, you can additionally contact your ISP and ask for your number at the time, a popular issue with ISPs these days to save money on users use a system called CGNAT, you should check if your ISP does this method with you, it essentially shares IP's with multiple other users in your ISP nearby, this emans they can also do malicious things on the internet and have it affect you

for reference can we use "adult content" or "nsfw" to refer to that content?

[robust creek]

!? Where are you from

[half tendon]

It's was adult content some p#rn

[half tendon]

India

[half tendon]

I think my ISP uses CGNAT, and I’d been on the same IP for over a week; when I found activity that shouldn’t be there, I restarted my router to get a new IP but kept getting the same one 😂, and only after trying 2–3 times did I finally get a clean IP.

[robust creek]

cgnat means there are muliple people connected with same ip

[half tendon]

🧐 what !! It means same ip been used by two different users at the same time ?

I don't think so two users get connected to the same ip at the same time

[robust creek]

if i remember correctly yes

[half tendon]

I didn't knew that, but that day my usage got very high so I'm pretty sure it's from salad and I'm not running anything apart from that

[robust creek]

odd and interesting

[robust creek]

i remember correctly

[half tendon]

I don't have logs or proofs with me sadly so I can't prove it 🙃

[robust creek]

if you are not able to open router ports then its cgnat, otherwise its a dedicated public ip

[half tendon]

Grass is really this messed up I didn’t know that. I was actually ready to give it a try 😂. I’ve heard a lot of people talk about the air#drop, but it seems like they have a pretty shady setup behind those nodes.

[half tendon]

Yeah it's CGNAT

[gleaming shell]

this app sure loves to kill my perfectly fine SGS gateway in exchange for a stupid customer with a dead gateway that has zero reason to exist

Then cause a chain reaction of SGS client on my other machine to get killed, and swapped for yet another gateway that has zero reason to exist, likely the same customer too

Might as well update so salad doesn't spam me with a pop-up window every some hours (god nothing makes me hate an app more than forced pop-up windows that you can't opt out of)

[gleaming shell]

amazing, now it's stealing gateways....

and the amazing speedtesting software killed itself 1/5 into the upload tests

What a group of amazing software

[upbeat shuttle]

it's so awesome ikr

[gleaming shell]

no way did it just log itself out

nevermind

it didn't

[upbeat shuttle]

somehow mine has been running mostly fine for a good while now

[gleaming shell]

Mine ran for a good 7 days until something happened

[upbeat shuttle]

you looked at it funny

[gleaming shell]

idk what exactly happened, since I'm "setting and forgetting" the app

[gleaming shell]

it keeps choosing the chicago server, that they gutted a while ago and no longer exists

and i love salads inability to detect any non-container workload errors

if a crypto miner errors out, sgs client fails to connect, librespeed does this, salad doesnt show anything or do anything.

its only ability to show something possibly related to non-container errors, is to throw "youre not making the most out of your pc" when a workload gets ended in task manager by something outside of salad, like the user ending it themselves

now i have to block the chicago server in firewall because the amazing software keeps choosing a server that doesnt exist then throws "server isnt responding"

[upbeat shuttle]

server isn't responding hmmmm let's treat that as 0ms latency

[gleaming shell]

oh thank god the ip still is discoverable 😭, atleast i wont have to do the immoral act of breaking salad tos and modifying the ndm yaml to exxclude the dead server it keeps connecting to

[gleaming shell]

funnily it doesnt choose it when its blocked in firewall

[upbeat shuttle]

weird

[gleaming shell]

atleast librespeed is smart enough for that, but sgs-client/salad unfortunately isnt (if your machine fails to connect to a gateway, salad will continue to run it on your machine as if theres no issues)

okay forget 70% of the things i just said, the chicago server for some reason works again

[civic nova]

@half tendon @safe loom @robust creek There is definately heavy torrenting going on while bandwidth sharing. I don't have any issue in torrenting and earning. But, yes, I daily see multiple torrents bring downloaded to my IP and yes, my ISP does give one IP to one customer at a time only. And until I restart my router, that IP is mine. So, standard dynamic IP.

Also, Yes, I have been contacted by my ISP regarding torrenting thing and they straight up asked me that If I was doing heavy torrenting and VPN usage to access illegal websites. They did warned me too. And same thing did happened to my friend also who uses salad bandwidth sharing. I had some serious connections that got out of the trouble and i did continued to bw sharing. But, my friend did stopped bw sharing as he had no other option.

I will say, don't remove torrenting as a feature from salad bw sharing, just add a option under workload settings that where do you want your bandwidth to be used as I think my majority share of earning by bw sharing comes through torrenting only. So, give people option to choose, that's it. And be transparent about it.

And yes, there are many NSFW torrents being downloaded and pirated movies, games, software, all kinds of stuff are daily downloaded using my IP in salad bw sharing. Once there were 400+ torrents downloaded in a single day.

[safe loom]

what's your ISP if you don't mind me asking?

[civic nova]

Airtel and my friend had Excitel

I have my friend working in really high post in airtel engineering department and he helped me get out of the trouble and I have many relatives in Law Enforcement and Army, so they had connections to sort things out. Also, he assured my that he will make sure that this never happens again. So, now he do everyday something so that I am not caught again.

That's why I have now, no issues in doing bw sharing no matter the usage.

[gleaming shell]

@empty hinge did you ask me something like 4 minutes ago 💀 the message disappeared as I clicked the notification and I didn't grasp the message

I think it was whether I had the old glasswire installer?

[empty hinge]

Yeah But then i found it lying in my downloads folder

[safe loom]

i thought Airtel was mainly CGNAT unless you pay for a static IP or use a business plan?

[gleaming shell]

I think there was a version that's earlier than that which also doesn't have the stupid malware pop-up window to update that tabs you out of your active window and angers exam softwares

I don't know the version though

I feel like glasswire (at least the free version) just gets worse every update

[civic nova]

It does use it, but for me, that is not the case as I am easily able to use port forwarding and peer to peer connectivity without any modifications.

It only uses CGNAT where number of customers is more than the IPs available

It mostly depends on your local provider or local technician who has contract with airtel and leased IPs from airtel to further distribute them.

I guess there are not many customers here of airtel yet.

[safe loom]

from a foreigners perspective i hate airtel

they're like the iiNet of Australia but for India

[civic nova]

How so, explain, I would love to hear it 😂

[safe loom]

their policies seem really shit but when compared to other ISPs in the region it seems like standard there

like the data caps

never seen so many users with data caps in 2020s except india

not to mention they hardly show in fine print that there's data caps either 😭 they just hide it in the EULA for Xstream

[civic nova]

In India, or mostly places I have seen, they provide the most stable and best connection possible with the most clean IPs out there. I have been an airtel user for all things for like 20 years, My whole family uses it, my 99 percent friends use it and they never even wanna switch because of the reliability of the network. No matter the time of the day, you will consistently get about 240 Mbps download/upload symmetrical on a normal residential 200 Mbps plan.

[safe loom]

also just for reference, also not even related to SGS cause i think it's cool, you can check monthly torrent traffic from a website called https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com which can be helpful for finding timestamps if you want to report misuse

[civic nova]

All countrywide internet providers have same data caps on Wifi, 3333 GB per month. But yeah, airtel does have that extra data cap of 300 GB per month on 5G mobile data. That also is on all mobile networks except JIO in India.

[civic nova]

I use this particular website only to track the torrenting. And yes, on it only I have seen once over 400 GB torrents downloaded in under 24 hours, with all kinds of torrents from NSFW to pirated movies to pirated games to pirated software.

[safe loom]

mobile data caps are fine, that's just global standard, but i don't fw isp's with home internet caps, even more so if they're not communicating that to the customer clearly

we've had to help wayyy too many indian residents find out they probably shouldn't run SGS with a 300gb-3TB data cap

[safe loom]

got my own entry from downloading crossover the other night 🔥

[civic nova]

That's true, but what can you expect when you get 3 months of Unlimited* 5G (300 GB per month) for just 10 dollars or so. And that too when you mostly get consistent speeds over 500 Mbps on mobile data. I guess you do need to loose somewhere 🥲

[civic nova]

200 Mbps plan for a months for 10 dollars and that too symmetrical speeds is kind of hard to get anywhere else I think. Also, now they have mentioned it clearly everywhere that there is data cap of 3333GB per month 😂

[safe loom]

i pay about 6.7k inr a month for my home internet, get a lovely 1000/100mbps speed on unlimited bandwidth, and proper routing tables so my game packets aren't flying to singapore and back for sydney like i had with iiNet 🙏

[civic nova]

Yeah, its kind of regular on salad. Now, I don't even mind as I got it all fixed through workarounds and makeshift solutions 😂

[civic nova]

If I want, I can get local ISP, which gives 1000 Mbps/1000 Mbps for like 3k INR and that too unlimited, no data cap what so ever, but their IP quality is low as they are being used almost in all the shady work 🥲 😅

They even give static IP for like 250 INR per month, they are really cheap and good.

[safe loom]

do they only provide CGnat? IP blocks should be clean once they're reassigned to a customer (cause the ISP is supposed to report to the whitelists that the IP is reassigned)

sounds about right

[empty hinge]

I'll check that too must be in their old ver. list

[safe loom]

my ISP does cgnat, i could just use it and run my servers through tailscale but i pay an extra 10 dollars for a static IP

[civic nova]

But I like the connections with CGNAT, they are harder to trace back 😅 . I like dynamic IPs more than static IPs when I am doing shady stuff 😅

[gleaming shell]

I'll likely downgrade sometime soon, these newer versions suck balls

[safe loom]

dynamic IPs are typically cgnat regardless of being an assigned 5-10 IP block available to you, it's just because we're running out of public facing IPv4

[gleaming shell]

The recent ones don't even give you a choice, it tabs you out of your active window by plastering a always-on-top update window, but you can't even click out of it. The x button is grayed out, and you're stuck with a countdown of 30 seconds until it auto updates, or you bite the bullet and click on "update" yourself before it updates for you.

[civic nova]

Yeah, and without CGNAT is always more expensive.

[safe loom]

yup

more hard to get = $$$

[gleaming shell]

Reference

[empty hinge]

more and more paywalls

[gleaming shell]

Yep

[empty hinge]

😭 ahh whats that

[gleaming shell]

glasswire

[empty hinge]

i disabled tray notifics and haven't seen that yet

[gleaming shell]

The update pop-up windows just appear whenever they want

But typically a few minutes after glasswire starts

[empty hinge]

thats just weird

[gleaming shell]

Average glasswire bs

[gleaming shell]

omg how does this app, almost every single time, manage to give me a Galbraith 1, 2, 3, 4 before giving me something that's worth running (something meaning one of the only two out of 13 gateways with any sort of traffic at all)

almost every time I start salad, it's guaranteed to be one of the Galbraith that will appear first

I would very much not like to serve this "customer" that's contributing to over 1/3 of the dead gateway situation in the us for over a year

[gleaming shell]

of course I usually get na-saf and na-lif since they're testing workloads, but everything outside of that, if I start salad, it's basically a 96% chance more or less, it's one of the four Galbraith that start up, and if I restart, it's another of the four galbraiths

[robust creek]

Hm interesting, oh well i dont care about torrenting as i already do it myself anyways for my purposes

[half tendon]

Salad needs to improve transparency and control in its bandwidth sharing feature. Users were not informed that their IPs could be used for activities like torrenting, which raises concerns about trust and safety.
A major update is needed, including stricter filtering of traffic, aggressive blocking of illegal or high-risk activity, and better user protection. Most importantly, users should have granular control over what types of traffic they allow, rather than having all traffic routed by default

[wooden vessel]

Yeah, I agree. I also think Salad should focus more on improving the bandwidth sharing feature and give users the option to choose what kind of traffic they’re okay with routing through their network. There should definitely be stricter rules to block improper or risky traffic too

[civic nova]

Then there will be no traffic at all and no earnings as well. 90 percent people only rent residential proxies for scrapping or torrenting only.

[civic nova]

Giving option is the best approach. People can simply choose where their bandwidth should be used.

[robust creek]

Using salad is not mandatory you can just stop using it xd

[civic nova]

The option is not for me but for others. I am all okay with letting people do anything with my bandwidth till I am earning decent.

[robust creek]

They can avoid using the app XD

In my end salad is the safest app to run and i have tested many

[civic nova]

Broooo 😂 😂 , Everything's solution isn't that just stop it 😂

[robust creek]

You think you will earn good anyways if you disable the stuff they can do with your connection? They pay you for a reason

[upbeat shuttle]

might end up being just like the adult content switch

which disables your ability to run most gpu containers out there, because all sd jobs are classed as adult content

[civic nova]

Best solution possible. Just switches like that for torrenting, scrapping and streaming, 3 switches and host chooses the options they wanna enable. Win WIn for everyone, It can be even beneficial for the ones that enable torrenting, they can get even higher traffic and payouts

[upbeat shuttle]

The adult content workloads switch, while morally a good idea, is in reality just an illusion of choice. Enable it to earn money, disable it to earn barely anything.
It would be pretty similar for what you suggested - It's morally cool to be able to opt in/out of different bandwidth types, but in reality the vast majority of people will leave it in Salad's hands, and I guarantee the default setting will be everything enabled.
This isn't actually an issue though. The issue is just that it'd take a good amount of dev time to implement - dev time that's in very short supply, and has been for years, so I doubt this feature will be implemented any time soon :(

[civic nova]

That's so true. But atleast it will earn a lot of credibility of the platform and trust. A few people who are sceptical might also love this platform due to it's so much transparency

[lone solstice]

It isn't so much the case anymore that adult containers represent the majority of workloads

Molecular simulations aren't, we have a few clients doing PoW stuff, Transcription,...

[upbeat shuttle]

*or at least, sd used to be the majority

I haven't ran a gpu container in many months

[misty furnace]

😔

[civic tusk]

someone got a millie

[gleaming shell]

this app did that gateway swapping thing so hard that one of my machines is now running 2 instances of sgs client, and another machine on the same gateway as the other machine, and i have paused salad on all of them, yet sgs client is still running 💀

[civic nova]

sgs client keeps running until previous job is complete. It will not take new job after salad i paused, But it for some reason is so much dedicated that it completes it's previous bw job and then pauses sgs client 😅

[gleaming shell]

God this app and the SGS distribution system really has zero awareness or ability on what processes it's running 💀

not only does this amazing app not have the ability to detect non-container workload errors, but it sure loves to also steal a gateway that is clearly already being ran by another machine, for a while

omg this app will not stop stealing gateways from each others machines

its still stealing the same 2 gateways from each other across all 4 machines

And I can't just leave it there because once they stop stealing from each other, the 2 machines that end up without the SGS clients that got thrown around, are GUARANTEED to get shoved with one of the eleven dead jobless gateway that has no reason to exist.

[gleaming shell]

and there it goes, one got thrown an eb2 and the other one got thrown another eb

[empty hinge]

Guys does the Salad is degraded notification basicaly situation affects my sgs earning in any way Like I've almost tried everything to fix it but getting error-2 for some reason

And i have a gtx1650 only so not much of a loss not being able to run containers

[robust creek]

Mine shows degraded because my gpu driver is outdated but i use only sgs and works good

[empty hinge]

Thats greatt.. because i got sgs after so long
and then salad decided to show error-2 XD

[gleaming shell]

it won't

Also yeah the 1650 on salad is cancer. As a former user, either you'll get nothing,~~ you'll get the same 2 stupid fake customers~~ (i dont think they exist anymore), or you'll just get an error that's likely not on your side

[civic tusk]

oh yeah this happened to me like a week ago

SGS needs an update ASAP or it's soon going to be a buggier feature on a level that not even cyberpunk on launch experienced

[gleaming shell]

I can't get daffodil 4 and lotus again lol

I don't understand why the dead gateways are weighted just as heavily if not heavier than the actual good ones

Like either don't give me SGS so it's still open for a spot for a good gateway when they want my IP
Or don't throw me a dead gateway 24/7 that noones going to benefit off of

[civic tusk]

i think the last time i got one of those might have been last year

[gleaming shell]

not sure whats with salad absolutely loving giving everyone galbraiths

I'm sure most us bandwidth sharing users have gotten one of the four galbraiths

[robust creek]

Nobody ever thought about blocking the ip address of gateways they dont want? I did it with speedtest servers

[civic nova]

I don't think blocking sgs client servers is possible for us hosts. I have easily blocked librespeed servers. But, didn't found a sure shot way to block gateways. Do you know any method?

[robust creek]

Windows firewall, gateways should have the same ips

[gleaming shell]

Unfortunately it's not possible, as the salad app is kinda stupid and can't detect any non-container related errors

From experience, If you block an SGS gateway, salad will still give it to you, except it'll just error out

So blocking it in firewall just makes things worse

Idk, SGS seems to be kinda "left behind" in a way... The distribution is still a bit weird and RNG, and the dead gateway situation isn't resolved, salad can't detect errors from its own processes ..

[robust creek]

Ah

[empty hinge]

thats why sgs all the wayy

btw it wont be an issue if i dont update the app for sgs
like in prev version i was usally 2 - 3 updates behind and it wasnt much of an issue

[gleaming shell]

Yeah salad doesn't "sunset" sgs

SGS client has gotten no updates for years

[empty hinge]

🕺 letsgoo

[gleaming shell]

But unfortunately that also means there's many issues with SGS right now and we're just left to "deal with it"

[empty hinge]

😭 man its been so long

sgs is pumping

[granite umbra]

Which country?

[civic tusk]

isn't there a dedicated SGS team though? if so, has anyone said what they have been working on since the last time SGS got an update? all that I know they are working on currently is that new SGS gateway.

[gleaming shell]

i dont think any reform of sgs is really in "priority" at the moment :(

[civic tusk]

i figure as much, but still, if there is a dedicated SGS team, are they just routinely reassigned to different projects that don't allow them to work on SGS, or is there (in the eyes of this SGS team) just not a whole lot to work on?

many of the issues don't seem to need a full revamp of SGS, especially with the issue of the SGS client stalling out and sometimes leaving multiple SGS clients open rather than closing them.

it would seem to me that Salad could probably administer a command that searches and kills any SGS clients that are not in use by Salad to make way for SGS clients that are actively connected to the network.

[upbeat shuttle]

I think there's an SGS manager

[gleaming shell]

not sure how sgs is developed in the background, never heard much information. But weve been on the same sgs client app version for many years

though the sgs process (mostly) doesnt need much change, i feel like its mainly the actual distribution system that needs changing

theres many barriers to earning with sgs right now

gotta make sure the stupid libresheit gives you a good enough speedtest that makes you eligible for bandwidth sharing, then you have to pray to the gods that your IP is desirable, otherwise youre stuck in the nonexistent so-called "queue" for eternity, THEN you have to go through probably the worst barrier of all: getting randomly thrown into a pool of gateways with no regards if its a dead gateway or not

the US is still to this day, the worst country for bandwidth sharing in terms of barriers to earnings. The dead gateway ratio is still 76%, with a single customer (the galbraiths) making up 1/3 of that

[civic tusk]

at this point it probably would be cheaper for salad to host the actual speedtest with their own hardware/software rather than get some other third party involved like speedtest.net

[gleaming shell]

but users are still constantly just getting thrown these gateways that have zero reason to exist

[gleaming shell]

i wonder if they can just do something like host a speedtest server directly on the sgs servers

[civic tusk]

they can use one of the galbraiths or EBs

surely the customers that have them wouldn’t give a damn considering they never use the gateways

[gleaming shell]

for sure 💀

[civic tusk]

at worst salad gives them some discount to account for the use of their gateways

[gleaming shell]

oh nahh nah these stupid customers do NOT deserve a discount 💀

they are the reasaons why us bandwidth sucks so bad

I dont see why salad cant aggregate all the gateways into one central gateway. They claim its due to "latency issues", but lotus and daffodil-4, the ONLY gateways in the us with jobs, are located the closest to the center of the country out of all of them. Additionally, (according to ip to locatio sites), daffodil-4, lotus, and galbraith 1 are all located at the same place. So this could theoretically get rid of galbraith 1's dead jobless existence

All other gateways (which not only are dead jobless and a waste of resources with no reason to exist) are located near the coast, or bordering lake michican. so if youre on the other side of the country, its just going to be even worse latency.

^and the "latency" reason doesnt really make sense when two of the US gateways are in the UK (and of course, theyre also dead jobless but with 100+ ping because its not even in the countrys borders)

and three of the gateways are located in canada

so yeah not sure why latency is a concern for them aggregating the gateways since 1/3 of the us gateways are not even within the countrys borders, and the rest except three (2 of which being the only ones with jobs), are all on the coastal areas or next to lake michigan

[gleaming shell]

"US EB1 'working'" 💀

gonna hate to break the news to em

[dusk phoenix]

did they do something to honeygain it just got a huge spike in credits

in the last 2 days

[gleaming shell]

it would be surprising if they did

was it the lucky pots?

i know they sometimes to give random increaes in lucky pot earnings

but from what i know actual gathering earnings are still lower than ever and not even a break-even, evne with content delivery

[dusk phoenix]

Nope gathering still low

The actual bandwidth

Increased

I think I had around 6 gb today and made 300 credits

Same pay just higher traffic

[gleaming shell]

yep :(

Of course passive income apps screwing all of us over

[dusk phoenix]

After I withdraw I'm instant uninstalling honeygain

Biggest crap ever

Salad used to make me 1$ pure on bw

And since honeygain + earnapp they made me make less than 48 cents per day

And they don't even earn me that much to be on positive

[wooden vessel]

consumed 1 gb and paid only 172.9 mb

[dusk phoenix]

now looking at glasswire in the last week it should have been 2150 credits if we take 20mb=1credit and ive only made 850

so they have done something

either they increased the data per credit again?

[gleaming shell]

Yeah there's not much reason if any at all to run Honeygain now, it sucks and probably will suck forever

They've 1/4'ed their payout rate relative to a few years ago

You're basically guaranteed to not even break even

[gleaming shell]

does anyone here know the glasswire version that isnt malware and doesnt plaster some persistent "upgrade to premium" notification that you have to manually close out of, and doesnt shove a stupid intrusive popup window nagging you to update tabbing you out of your active window

i remember someone mentioning one of the older versoins before 2.3.499 doesnt have the stupid popup window that idk why any app feels moral enough to do

[frigid reef]

maybe this one

[misty furnace]

VIRUS

[gleaming shell]

I will run any exe

[misty furnace]

the last name lmao

[upbeat shuttle]

glasswiresetup.txt 😱

[gleaming shell]

wow this amazing vegetable app decided to keep looping libresheit while I was doing standardized testing today (salad was closed too, but mainly so it doesn't plaster a pop-up window telling me to update then getting my test nuked)

There goes 36gb of public wifi

why does the salad bowl service have to keep running 24/7

For what reason

[gleaming shell]

Initial startup of salad bowl service can max out a 8 thread CPU. And it does it everytime (along with run libresheit) when you switch users too

[gleaming shell]

they should classify the new versions as malware ATP 💀

[wind saddle]

hi, someone know how is sgs in Lithuania?

[upbeat shuttle]

it's in the "might be supported" list

try it and see

[wind saddle]

yeah

thanks

i will try

[half tendon]

@upbeat shuttle hey 👋🏻 I'm trying to understand bw on salad bcz I have CGNAT on my ip i just wanted to know how many ports should be open to allow all type of traffic through me??

[gleaming shell]

for WHAT REASON does this STUPID APP need to have a SEPERATE SERVICE running TWENTY-FOUR-SEVEN

was doing my microeconomics exam and while salad was closed, of course the salad bowl service was still running, and just like my sat 2 days ago, the salad bowl service decided it was a good idea to CONTINUOUSLY LOOP LIBRESHEIT

atleast it didnt use enough resources to where my computer ran out of battery before the exam ended

but wtf WHY does salad NEED to run salad bowl 24/7 but then stuff like this happens where libresheit runs upon free will, every time your computer starts regardless if salad is set to start aswell, OR when you switch users

probably bluebook software interfering with salad bowl service but salad bowl service is still ultimately running no matter what for literally what good reason

[upbeat shuttle]

I have no idea what ports need to be open :(

[civic tusk]

would also like to mention that salad is genuinely taking its sweet damn downloading a goddamn job. the first one this week and it's going at 0.01% downloaded A MINUTE. consulted support and they basically said 'yep yeah you might not get your workloads back once they drop because low availability' which answered half of my question but left the other half in the air

also it seems that salad loves to download these jobs at 30mbps

despite my internet being capable of 10 times that

i mean it's great that chefs are getting more jobs but how does it help me or the customer if the jobs are going to take 100 minutes to hopefully finish downloading said jobs

i'll definitely open another ticket tomorrow because this is getting ridiculous, but i digress

[gleaming shell]

last high paying cpu container i got caused salad to "kill itself over itself", because this totally very amazing app cant even handle a slightly moderate load in cpu without screwing itsef over

the cpu container just so happened to max out my threads

so then it did the stupid "chop indefinitely" (pausing itself upon computer lock) state, but thats not even how it died, its the fact that salad kills all your workloads and wont start any back (including mining) when cpu usage is pinned for a while

[civic tusk]

SALAD IS USING 60 GODDAMN GIGABYTES OF RAM

WHAT

[gleaming shell]

💀

idk, salad is definitely an app of all time

[civic tusk]

if i'm being paid less than 10 cents this workload gets french revolution'd

its giving me an extra 2 cents an hour.

2 cents for 60 goddamn gigabytes?

[gleaming shell]

💀

[civic tusk]

and the workload killed itself.

[gleaming shell]

sounds very similar to my 1650ti expericen

[civic tusk]

such a bad workload it genuinely didn't even want to live

and now theres 17 gigabytes still living rent free on vmmemWSL

and of course i can't kill it because i don't even know why

its on about sum 'access is denied' as if it ISN'T MY OWN COMPUTER.

https://tenor.com/view/why-me-facepalm-stressed-star-trek-gif-14598957

on another note what happened to the 5000 jobs that would come for 12gb card last week

because i kept my pc on full standby with nothing open and the only workload that came in was the same stupid one that just keeps killing itself routinely just a few minutes after its downloaded on my pc

[gleaming shell]

a while back there were 2 low paying unprofitable 1650ti containers that roamed around doing that exact same thing for months 💀

it would take 24/32gb of my ram, use like 30% cpu consistently, max out gpu, take up a lot of disk, last 3 minutes then die

pay is so low it doesnt evne break even for desktops 💀 💀

[civic tusk]

this workload doesn't even use my GPU and instead uses the free CPU thing

[gleaming shell]

runs xmrig

actually they cant, or else salad will "kill itself over itself"

[civic tusk]

and the damn WSL thing is still using ram

[gleaming shell]

oh yeah and that also linger

[civic tusk]

not even wsl --shutdown works

are we deadass guys

[gleaming shell]

yeah vmmemwsl usually lingers around for a while after your job ends

[civic tusk]

i have to stop what i'm doing basically and restart my pc to get my full PC back.

[gleaming shell]

ye

cant end task because something something access is denied

[civic tusk]

genuinely what is above me that salad has access to on my own device to prevent my own access to do what i want on my PC

[frigid reef]

The whole point is that you cant access the salad linux environment and that the containers cant escape it

[gleaming shell]

oh right you still cant even run any apps that are in salads "intensive processes" list if your gpu is enabled regardless if your gpu can even run containers or not 💀

tldr if you want to just crypto mine, do it externally, dont use salad to do it

[civic tusk]

so that's the reason why i can't just terminate vmmemWSL when the job connection is lost and/or job is finished?

[frigid reef]

You should be able to through cmd commands

but either way, this is more on windows side where wsl just dosen't give back the claimed amount of ram

also vmmem cannot be terminated directly in Task Manager because it is not a normal application, but rather a representation of resources (RAM/CPU) used by virtualization services like WSL2, Docker, or Hyper-V

this is just how windows works anyway

vmmem isn't actually the process but something to represent the resources used

[frigid reef]

You sure the container is over?

[civic tusk]

i think so

[frigid reef]

but wsl --shutdown should work

[tardy swan]

I think you have the BRB (big red box) virus

[civic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-blue-sweater-time-travel-endgame-realization-gif-8570477407634113260

[wooden vessel]

bw sharing dead today

[granite umbra]

It's better than mine

[wooden vessel]

henna or athelas ?

[granite umbra]

I'm in the US so Galbraith

[wooden vessel]

That makes sense now 😭

[gleaming shell]

g**braith

[gleaming shell]

im sure it would be better if the us gateways could be aggregated and have the dead ones repurposed as speedtesting servers 💀

[wooden vessel]

Lmao 😂

Speed testing server

[granite steppe]

where btw?

[granite steppe]

i meant by which site ur seeing this gateways

[granite steppe]

which site?

[granite steppe]

@gleaming shell

uhhhhhhh

[civic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-ds9-sisko-ha-not-funny-gif-7908799

[wooden vessel]

[granite steppe]

;-;

[gleaming shell]

Are you asking about the spreadsheet

[granite steppe]

oh its a spread sheet?

[gleaming shell]

yeah

[gleaming shell]

not sure if this is the case, but if so, i love salads absolute inability to detect ANY non-container workload errors, including their own workload, sgs client

imagine if this is the dandelion gateway incident all over again

again tho, not sure if this is the case. maybe they did pull it

[dusk phoenix]

btw what is sgs-testers about?

do yall got a special build?

[gleaming shell]

theres a new customer in the united states thats onboarding/testing

currently theres nothing going on, but there is a 48 cent per day subsidy for just running it

it is ironically, the best gateways in the US right now

[dusk phoenix]

here in romania is even worse less than 18 cents per day on actual good gateway

[dark meteor]

Quick question, will bandwidth sharing work if your internet connection ISP using a CGNAT \

[dusk phoenix]

per pc

[gleaming shell]

bandwidth in the US is bad mainly because of how much dead gateways there are

the only two good gateways earn like 20ish cents more or less

theres 11 gateways that earn zero, with no static pay and subsidy

[dusk phoenix]

yeah here weve got 1 dead gateway (salad dosent give it , most likely got deleted)

and 1 alive

the alive one had over 1$ per day long time ago

[gleaming shell]

salad LOVES to give dead gateways here in the us

[dusk phoenix]

yeah pretty bad from what ive read a lot

[gleaming shell]

this dead gateway situation has been an issue salad has had for ages but has never been resolved, which sucks

especially when countries like the US have a dead gateway ratio of the high 70% right now

and over 80% at one point

but nothings being done about it which is unfortunate

[upbeat shuttle]

Bandwidth Sharing didn't work for me at all when I was on CGNAT

CGNAT also just suuucks

[gleaming shell]

I have a cgnat ipv4 and it seems to work, i guess it just depends

[dark meteor]

Ok thank you

[gleaming shell]

and yes, cgnat bad

[dark meteor]

Currently having an argument with my ISP….

My IP address is showing as a data center which it is not but salad is banning it…

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah that happens with cgnat, a bunch of people share the same public IP so odds are at least one of them will abuse it somehow and ruin it for everyone else stuck on that same cgnat ip

[gleaming shell]

literally every single ip in my range bcak when i had that other isp, was marked as 100 fraud, bot activity, and proxy

and was all marked as "mobile" ips

[civic tusk]

-'downloading job'
-1 percent downloaded every minute
-finding job
-salad only works on CPU/GPU workloads nowadays with their updates
-updates don't seem to help when CPU/GPU workloads do get kerfuckled
-?????

i'm really starting though to consider the fact that whoever is providing this workload is knowingly just taking bits and pieces of my compute power and then shutting down the job and then moving on and the circle continues

because while the issue of taking a while to download the job might be on salad's end the job ends really quickly after I get on the job, almost too quickly to be a coincidence every single time out of the more than 5 times I can recall this occuring to me.

as I am writing this I believe the same workload is being redownloaded onto my computer. same downloading speed, same 1% downloaded a minute

[civic tusk]

earning an AMAZING half a cent per hour more btw

wake me up a day before the next set of 3060 12gb jobs come up

my RAM and GPU cost WAYYY too much in this economy to replace to warrant me 'earning' half a cent while losing twenty dollars in electricity and hundreds more in repair costs if I kept this workload running

[gleaming shell]

mmmmm wasting disk writes in this economy where the same ssd I bought has tripled in price

[gleaming shell]

Meant to reply to this

Oh well

[gleaming shell]

WHAT PASSIVE INCOME APP GATEKEEPS THE PAY RATE 😭

^oh and of course, the "temporary" Linux support removal isn't so temporary anymore

never trust passive income apps

[gleaming shell]

time to do my macroeconomics exam

(that means time for salad to loop libresheit a million times while im testing because for whatever god knows reason, the salad bowl service must run 24/7)

[upbeat shuttle]

uninstall

[gleaming shell]

honestly i might aswell 💀

[upbeat shuttle]

windows legit loaded everything a good couple seconds faster after i uninstalled salad

[mighty fractal]

why would that be the case?

[upbeat shuttle]

salad runs an internet speed test immediately upon windows starting

[mighty fractal]

didn't they think it could have caused issues?

why not wait like 2 minutes so the system has already warmed up and everything

[upbeat shuttle]

they probably didn't consider it at the time

[misty furnace]

they don't consider

[gleaming shell]

Salad bowl service (upon initial startup) for whatever reason takes enough resources to max out an 8 thread cpu

lol

stupid vegetable app looped libresheit while i was taking my macroeconomics exam

passive income apps never fail to disappoint with their build quality 💀

literally how does ANY app screw over and completely die over a moderately (not even maxed out) cpu load, and die upon locking your computer or unplugging it from ac adapter if its a laptop

and the complementing service has to run 24/7 even if the app isnt running, and waste gigabytes of bandwidth every time you switch users (even to a user that doesnt have salad installed), and whatever this is that causes libresheit to keep looping when exam software is running 💀 oh and max out your CPU upon startup

[civic tusk]

their pay rate is genuinely so ass barely anyone pays them for workloads so they have to give people that work for them a surprise pay check

[gleaming shell]

"surprise"
Pay turns out to be negative, and you have to pay earnapp balance to do them

[upbeat shuttle]

pay rate:

[mighty fractal]

why did my sgs client stop suddently?

[upbeat shuttle]

idk

[civic nova]

Maybe you launched a game or something?

[civic tusk]

just wait for when that new render token comes to salad

you think there's a lot of bugs and issues now?

it's probably going to get a LOT worse especially in the realm of rewards pricing

they might not realize it now but it something happens with render and it's worth a lot compared to USD they are going to really have to do a lot of damage control in that instance or take a lot of losses

[gleaming shell]

imagine my 100 salad balance is worth like 0.004 the next day 💀

[gleaming shell]

no way

sgs-client finally got an update after years

its 0.1.12 now

its slightly larger now

it seems like logging is a lot less verbose now

interesting, some of them seem to have started with 0.1.8, but others 0.1.12

woo this app is stealing gateways again

[robust creek]

The word "verbose" made me think about AI training job i had 😆

The response is too verbose

[gleaming shell]

WE LOVE PASSIVE INCOME APPS

[civic fern]

Imagine gatekeeping the payrate

Wait- that was honeyscam mb

[gleaming shell]

Well they both do it now

Same apps that promise "transparency" are the same apps that decrease your payout rate without any announcements or heads-up then proceed to silently remove the metric that shows your data usage on the dashboard, and the same apps that obscure the pay rate as a "surprise" on a new earning method that's more of an "active income" (which they postponed because of course passive income apps can't make anything that works)

[gleaming shell]

bring back sgs log verbosity 😭

per-30s bidirthroughput report will forever (never) be missed

what did they even change in sgs client 0.1.12

[upbeat shuttle]

you what

why would they remove that 😭

[gleaming shell]

idk 😭 0.1.12 was released around aweek ago (atleast thats when it appeared in my sgs machines)

the size increased from 8mb to 10mb and the logging is so unverbose now

idk if anything internally changed

[upbeat shuttle]

i've gotta hope this is just a you issue or just affecting the US because bidirthroughput is so useful to me

[gleaming shell]

the testing gateways in the us still use 0.1.8, but it seems like many of the gayeways have migrated to 0.1.12

(including the dead jobless galbraiths, and franklin)

hmm

i wonder if even errors show on the new sgs client

ill try it

[dusk phoenix]

Romania is still on 0.1.8 lol

[gleaming shell]

heres 0.1.8 verbosity

and heres 0.1.12 😭

they changed the time format it seems

[misty furnace]

ts (pmo)

[gleaming shell]

it still shows errors atleast

unfortunately, the salad app itself is still not smart enough to detect non-container workload errors including sgs, so salad will continue to run said gateway even if it fails to connect to a gateway

[misty furnace]

hey, at least it's github.com instead of a file on someone's disk

[gleaming shell]

Oh right yeah that

[fossil onyx]

which salad version are you running ? I’m still on 1.9.5

[gleaming shell]

The latest one 💀

[frigid reef]

Run the latest one

it actually fixes alot of issues

[fossil onyx]

I’m only running bandwidth sharing. I don’t know if I should update

[neat lodge]

dose eathernet work with bandwidth sharing?

[upbeat shuttle]

yuh

[gleaming shell]

i did a thing 💀

[gleaming shell]

yeah just dont breathe on the cable or else salad/sgs will die

[robust creek]

oh wow! finally some traffic came back, it was stuck on 1-2$ a day from 2 months

[fossil onyx]

Which version have you of salad ?

[robust creek]

no latest, the version before of latest

[empty hinge]

SGS worked a bit too much i used my entire WIFI limit

😭 now i am stuck with almost dead internet speeds for 12 days

[gleaming shell]

got my third out of sixth exam tomorrow

i have stopped salad bowl entirely in services, so this stupid app (that cant handle literally anything) and its complementing service doesnt screw itself over in 5 million ways possible, and continuously loop libresheit during the 3 hours im taking the exam

context

[pulsar arrow]

calculate the length of an onion

[civic fern]

Tor

[gleaming shell]

atleast 0

exam starting 😔

[mighty fractal]

mine is still the old ne

[gleaming shell]

I'm personally not a fan of how 0.1.12 does it's logging

The timestamp isn't formatted to a standard (?)
And no more per-30 second report of bidirthroughput, very unverbose

[upbeat shuttle]

vibe coded changes i swear

[gleaming shell]

"no reasonable person uses "May 10" for the timestamp. you use yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss.ms or unix timestamp" -ripped straight out of...some dude

[gleaming shell]

Maybe the whole app will be soon fully made and maintained by models ran on saladcloud instead

"our hosting app is also powered and maintained by saladcloud"

[gleaming shell]

the exe is large enough to where you cant send it on discord too 😭 (8MB to 10.4ishnMB)

[gleaming shell]

Amazing, salad bowl service started itself again and ran libresheit the whole time i was doing my exam, again

[upbeat shuttle]

uninstall

[gleaming shell]

oh i see.... if i disable the service, it just reenables itself

thats fun

[gleaming shell]

might aswell

this service sure loves to run for no reason at all

but ironically, dies upon rdp

[gleaming shell]

ok salad bowl service seems to be finally put dead now

not sure why it self restarted

[tardy swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010423864553123911/1475611247616590096/tmpImage_6F6D26B6-4BF7-473C-89FE-195F318B06F4.gif

[gleaming shell]

hello clanker friend

[tardy swan]

Hello hdd killer

Friend

[wooden vessel]

today it happened with me to

don't know why it keep on spamming

I don’t know the reason behind it, but I noticed this thing kept testing repeatedly. I fell asleep, and my PC updated in the background and restarted itself. When I woke up, I saw the Windows lock screen, and I think LibreSpeed kept spamming tests while my PC was locked.

[gleaming shell]

salad is sure as hell an app of all time

[fossil onyx]

Why would you kill salad bowl ?

[old carbon]

Sgs client won't start, any way to start it

[civic nova]

Getting 15 Mbps Download and 15 Mbps Upload in salad speed test.

[old carbon]

Both are above 100 Mbps

[civic nova]

It's 100 Mbps on normal speedtests, Not on salad's librespeed's test. If it was, sgs client would have started. Check NDM logs and see the latest speeds you got.

[fossil onyx]

But you don’t care sgs will use free BW

[civic nova]

Huh? What? I know that, but you need atleast 15 Mbps upload and 15 Mbps download before start of sgs client as salad uses librespeed for speed test of your connection to determine whether it's eligible or not.

[civic nova]

I have share over 93 TB of bandwidth last month, I know how it works 😅

[wooden vessel]

93 TB

personal device turned into full fledged data centre

[fossil onyx]

Is there specific port to open or tricks to increase bw sharing ?

[upbeat shuttle]

there's not really any, other than running it 24/7

[gleaming shell]

another exam woo

im sure salad bowl wont start this time

[civic nova]

Nah, I kept it running 99 percent of the month's hours

[civic nova]

I made over 350 dollars in April

[wooden vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-14429925201217812323

@civic nova at the end of the month 👆🏻

[fossil onyx]

I do the same but only 1.5$ per day .

I see on my router bw is always up and down , it’s not continuous high usage for 5 - 10- 15 min

[civic nova]

I make around 12-14 dollars approx. daily by bandwidth sharing alone. I share about 3 - 3.5 TB data.

[fossil onyx]

I have streaming and adult content activated, CPU and GPU sharing and crypto mining enable

But I have low end cpu and gpu I know I will have only BW sharing

[civic nova]

Btw, it's not streaming adult content but, AI generating adult content using your GPU. I have everything turned off, Mining off, CPU off, GPU off, Just bandwidth sharing

[fossil onyx]

Hmmm , for you it’s better to have them off rather than ON but with no job ?

[civic nova]

I have them off because I don't wanna waste power, Mining is useless, I have AMD GPU - useless for AI till now, CPU containers are anyway very rare and very less paying. So, I have them just off, they save me about 300W on my PC easily.

[civic nova]

They have no direct impact on bw sharing

[fossil onyx]

You have video and adult content enable ?

[civic nova]

Only video is on

[fossil onyx]

Ok I will try this configuration then. Do you have Glasswire monitoring ? How it looks like on your side for sgs.cleint

[civic nova]

I don't use glasswire, I have my custom build dashboard for monitoring stats and stuff

[civic nova]

This is my custom dashboard, I have other sensitive stuff on it too, that's why can't send it completely. I built it on 16th April, So, there are still 3 days left for it to correctly display last 30 days stats, other stats are perfect.

[civic nova]

I have this graphical view too, I had a downtime with my ISP for about 24 hours. Otherwise It was pretty much up for the month. You can see small bar on 16th because I deployed it in the evening and then yesterday and day before yesterday, there was a combined Internet Outage of approx 24 hours.

[fossil onyx]

Ok because when I look at my bandwidth in a moment I’m at 100Mb/s and a second after at 23Mb/s then avg 10Mb/s during few minutes then high again . It’s not linear . On Glasswire too on a 5 minutes timeframe I have downhills

I don’t know if it’s normal . Or if a good bw sharing session is full bw consumption during 30min or hours .

[misty furnace]

that's pretty normal for SGS. The throughput is highly variable and depends on the realtime demand the customers have

[fossil onyx]

This is today till. Now

Fiber optic ISP no bw usage house is empty

[civic nova]

Except like 5-6 hours or maybe 10 hours on best day, Rest of the time it's mostly slopes and slides in the speed graph. But, at peak traffic, It's consistent flat at my peak internet pack speed.

[civic nova]

Doesn't matter that your house is empty or not, the user that is using your bandwidth also needs to be using it to it's max. If he is watching netflix, there will be spikes in the usage for sure. Depends what the user is using on your bandwidth

[fossil onyx]

This is now

You see 2.2Mb/s then 30 then 50 and drops to 6

Higher I have is 175Mb/s but it’s during few seconds

[civic nova]

It's normal

[gleaming shell]

• It absolutely hammers your CPU every time it starts, this amazing software can max out an 8 thread CPU upon initial startup/restart
• loves to run and sometimes loop libresheit wasting gigabytes of bandwidth
• unnecessarily wastes resources, why does it need to run 24/7 with all this libresheit when the salad app itself isnt even open
• runs libresheit for some weird reason every time you switch users (or use bluebook exam software), even if the other user doesnt even have salad installed
• idio t app
• why does it need to run 24/7 for no reason
• loves to run 24/7 for no reason
• it has no right to run 24/7 on my machine running libresheit every time regardless if the app is open
• did i mention it runs 24/7 and runs libresheit even if the app isnt open
  -# honorable mention: for some reason this same service doesnt run for whatever reason when rdp connection is estabilished

[fossil onyx]

5TB here

[upbeat shuttle]

the absolute peace and freedom i felt after uninstalling it on my main pc

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-14887144685173519659

[gleaming shell]

i didnt uninstall it just because maybe i might need it who knows, but i set salad bowl service to be disabled and not start up

hasnt started ever since

[upbeat shuttle]

if you're going more than like a couple days at a time, it's so much easier to just uninstall then reinstall if you wanna use it

[gleaming shell]

i wanna keep my beloved sgs-client 0.1.8 and gateway collection

[upbeat shuttle]

oh god don't remind me of the sgs client nerf

[gleaming shell]

it seems like many gateways are still running on 0.1.8 at the moment

all i know are only some of the dead gateways in the us are on 0.1.12 atm

my collection

[gleaming shell]

give us out bidirthroughput back 😔

oh right given how bad the dead gateway situation here is in the us, im sure its not going to help at all getting rid if the 30s bidirthroughput report

[gleaming shell]

app is stealing gateways again...

[robust creek]

Germany, japan, usa

Salad is very confused with your ip

[gleaming shell]

oh that was when I got sgs on a vpn lol

I got more off those (which lasted a few minutes before they died of course as expected) than most of the balls US gateways

[gleaming shell]

does anyone know if you can still get athelas gateway

[civic nova]

I do my share on athelas only.

[gleaming shell]

ah so you are able to get it

interesting

[gleaming shell]

do you have a log that is newer than may 6-7?

[civic nova]

I think it's due to country maybe.

[gleaming shell]

its an india gateway

but at the moment its currently dead rn (you cant even ping it), but idk if salad is still giving it to users

this same exact situation happened here in the us a while back

[civic nova]

Yes, I am right now also sharing bandwidth on it

[gleaming shell]

can I see your latest log if possible?

[civic nova]

Will this work? Bandwidth-SGS-IN-C-20260512_022520260514.log?

I can DM you if you want this log file

[gleaming shell]

Sure

[fossil onyx]

Are you in India ?

[civic nova]

Yes

[fossil onyx]

Maybe that’s why you have such good high rate

I’ m in France

[civic nova]

Yes, maybe

[fossil onyx]

Is the RAM quantity on the machine increase the earnings ?

[civic tusk]

not for bw sharing

workloads it definitely does, as I have had up to 90gbs used in ram

God forbid salad has limits on storage utilization but not RAM utilization

[gleaming shell]

for bandwidth sharing, on a windows instlal with all the crapware and unneeded apps uninstalled, you can "technically" get away with i think 2.6gb of ram

it can also run off 1.8gb ram but gl with your disk writes, and its ultra mega unstable

4gb ram is the sweet spot

[old pewter]

Any solution that is pinned here that is BW sharing related?

for sgs-client

[gleaming shell]

there is but a lot of the information seems to be outdated/incorrect in todays date

[civic nova]

What your latest ndm log says? How much speed is recorded in it?

[civic nova]

For GPU containers a big YES, but for bw sharing, NO, If you have 3-4 GB RAM, above that it doesn't matter.

[old pewter]

do you mean the download or upload speed?

Ping: 184 ms Jitter: 1 ms
Download rate: 115.55 mbps
Upload rate: 0.21 mbps

as of latest ndm log

[civic nova]

This upload speed is the cause of bw sharing not starting and sgs client not launching

[civic nova]

Both download and upload speed should be atleast 15 Mbps each

[old pewter]

Strange

I mean I reinstalled, now its not just about sgs not launching

It is not even available in the workload

Salad didn't download the client to actually share bw

[civic nova]

Because speed is less than 15 Mbps. It will download when it will pass the speed test

[old pewter]

How come the upload speed less...

Its not an issue with my Wifi that is for sure

[civic nova]

It's issue with the server you got for speedtest of librespeed.

[old pewter]

Nuremberg, Germany 💀

[civic nova]

For me too, it's really bad, I can only paas speedtest on like 4 out of 10-12 servers.

[civic nova]

Sometimes, the servers are down also, restart PC and let it test again and then read the logs

For me Numberg is one of the few good ones, where I record good speed

[old pewter]

Nuremberg is the closest to me as well i think...

If i remember correctly

[old pewter]

How does the testing timing works?

[civic nova]

Like when you turn on PC or??

[civic nova]

Ehhhh, distance doesn't matter, it all is very vague and strange

[old pewter]

Like how does it generally work, the log must only generate when the Salad starts right?

And if that is the case, then how long does Salad take to speedtest in different servers

[civic nova]

The servers are open-source and free so if like 100 people sometimes speedtest at the same time, the servers just give up

[old pewter]

Yeah I don't think so too...

[old pewter]

That really sounds strange considering how long bandwidth sharing has been introduced in Salad

Which is a couple years from now, it still feels like beta version fixing and stuff..

[civic nova]

It only tests one server at a time, probably random or which has the lowest ping for you out of all. If the test fails, I think it tests multiple times, in starting every minute, then every 5 minute, then every 30 min then every hour or so

Amd once a test is passed and sgs cloent is launched it stops testing till PC is restarted.

[civic nova]

It's not salad that has issue. But librespeed, they sponsor this test for free or something. That's why we have to deal with it, no matter what.

[old pewter]

uh huh

[old pewter]

yeah, librespeed...

But I do remember forcing the issue and making it work 💀

By manually downloading the sgs client file

and renaming it to a specific server or something idk

[civic nova]

Even if you do, it still won't start if you can't pass the speedtest

[old pewter]

Yeah I was about to say the same

[civic nova]

Plus, it is against TOS, you can get banned and stuff

[old pewter]

wait what, is it noww??

[civic nova]

It is against TOS to tamper with salad files.

[old pewter]

Well then this thread needs to be deleted 💀
I went to the oldest conversations to when this thread was created, and downloaded a file given by the beloved mod ozua

outdated methods, but yeah it was the case back then when this thing was still in beta

I won't tamper then...

wait I just realized

The ndm log I checked was yesterday's... at 11:14 am IST
The one today was tested in early morning 6:40 am IST

[upbeat shuttle]

It's technically against Salad's TOS to modify Salad's files, but if you're stuck getting awful speed test results because librespeed keeps using a bad server, that workaround of manually setting the speed test server is there. And so far nobody has had any trouble from Salad for doing this non malicious fix.

[old pewter]

well the main problem is, I don't have the latest version of the file needed

sgs-client is on what version I guess its 0.1.9?

I would appreciate your help in this matter, ozua...

[upbeat shuttle]

Sgs client has been on 0.1.8 for years

[old pewter]

wait really?

well am dyslexic

💀

But the file available in this thread is 0.1.7

and I don't know if sgs is capable of updating on its own

or something

and plus, I don't know what to rename the folder with the client

[upbeat shuttle]

There's been some sightings of a new version in like the past week, but it's only been seen on a couple gateways in the US so far, so I'm guessing Salad is doing a gradual rollout of that one, or maybe they're only using the newer version for certain gateways for a reason

^^ 0.1.8 is here

[old pewter]

thx, i'll try this

can I bother u by pinging?

:>

nvm, it worked

I kept restarting salad bowl service to keep checking the internet speed

Now the upload rate is: 112 mbps

it was 0.37 mbps before for some reason

Thank you ozua & Leiko RL for helping out

I understand the core problem and working now...

for this...

[civic nova]

No, it's been years and there is no update. It's been 0.1.8 only

[civic nova]

Btw, forcefully stopping salad bowl service to get speedtest continuously is also against TOS.

[upbeat shuttle]

no it isn't

[civic nova]

Cyph told me on community support that forcefully stopping salad bowl service is against TOS but restarting is not

[upbeat shuttle]

#हिंदी-hindi message

here's cyph saying it's not against tos

[civic nova]

But he said it can be penalised. If it's not against TOS, then why penalise?

[civic nova]

I forgot the exact wordings as it was like 3 months ago 🥲

[upbeat shuttle]

I don't think I've noticed Salad ever penalising me for restarting saladbowl

It probably doesn't help your uptime metrics, but restarting your PC also doesn't help with uptime either - and then the speed test would have to fight for CPU resources against all the other processes on startup

[civic nova]

I know, that's why I used to advise people to end salad.bowl but not after cyph told me this 🥲

[wooden vessel]

[gleaming shell]

I believe you can also just block the bad server IP in your firewall. Libresheit is fortunately smart enough to choose a fallback server. That shouldn't be against tos

[gleaming shell]

-# bring back bidirthroughput :(

[gleaming shell]

Salad actually released a new sgs-client update not too long ago, around late april. the latest version is now 0.1.12 ||(and of course based off my previous messages here, im really not a fan of how extremely unverbose the logging on 0.1.12 is along with the slightly larger file size)||, but it seems like some gateways are still on 0.1.8. but yeah its gone years without an update.

i believe users have only gotten 0.1.7, 0.1.8, and 0.1.12. they seemed to have skipped 0.1.9, 10, and 11

[civic nova]

Actually there was, but mostly because salad gateways didn't required them, that is why it jumped from 0.1.8 to 0.1.12

[civic nova]

For my gateway, it still is using 0.1.8

[robust creek]

[pale hare]

how do we check what update the gateway is running?? btw what did the updates do to the sgs client lol

[gleaming shell]

the update isnt on the gateway (server), but rather on the client software that your machine runs

the version should be on C:\ProgramData\Salad\workloads

[pale hare]

any change log for it? curious what they updated

[pale hare]

yeh i got 0.1.8 as well for now..

[gleaming shell]

and for "what did the updates do" / "the changes", they seem to be very silent about it. Salad never (and probably wont ever) publicly announce a changelog for sgs client, probably for internal security reasons.

But for us chefs, it seems like the change doesnt really benefit us much if at all. Of course, maybe there are some internal changes (which we will never know which they are).

Based on first impression, im not too much of a fan of 0.1.12, atleast on the viewable surface level. The logging is extremely simplified, undescriptive and unverbose. Also they removed the per-30-second reporting of throughput, error rate, and time to first byte. The time stamp on the logs also dont conform to a time formatting standard (from what I know, im not an expert).

Additionally, the sgs-client file size got larger from ~8MB to ~10MB, and salad downloads a copy of sgs client for every gateway you get for some reason. So multiply that by the amount of gateways you can recieve and thats how much disk space is used up just for some small client that shares bandwidth 💀

[pale hare]

my current gateway is garbage but then again canada is very random. only gibson was okay but even that one can be bad

[gleaming shell]

this is unfortunately an issue with salad that other bandwidth sharing apps dont face :(

[gleaming shell]

also if you know, what "garbage gateway" are you on?

is it na-gibson (not to be confused with just gibson ) or maple or something else?

[pale hare]

cant remember the name but in canada we only had 1 good one that was the gibson but even gibson is kinda dead now

[gleaming shell]

dam really?

not too long back some dude here made like 20+ dollars in a day from gibson

[pale hare]

maple was the other one yes now i remember, it was way worse

[pale hare]

thats nuts lol

[gleaming shell]

yeah

[pale hare]

i am currently getting about 0.6~0.10 cents per hr from bandwidth sharing on 2 machines(combined ofc)

ofc when pubbies are home and watch netflix or something it can spike to to 20~30 cents per hr during those hours

[misty furnace]

the largest change is that .12 advertises ipv6 support to the gateway

[gleaming shell]

too bad the only gateways so far that are known to use 0.1.12 are the dead ones that have no reason to exist 💀

[tidal bough]

pretty sure it was an error and they typed an extra 0 while setting the pay per gb...

now its back to normal lol

[safe loom]

you guys confuse me

gateways exist because there is a client that's using it

you may not be getting traffic because of the same reason a 3060 user isn't getting jobs like others

this channel always be making bandwidth sharing sound evil and over complex 😭

[upbeat shuttle]

evidently they're not using it tho if there's been zero traffic going through it for months

especially if there's no static pay too

[gleaming shell]

Yeah unfortunately 73% (85% taking into account that the testing gateways na-saf and na-lif are unobtainable to public) of the gateways in the us have been practically zero throughput since day one for years, some of them don't even live within the us borders, and none of them give any subsidy to cover the zero earnings (except the two testing ones of course, but that I believe is only temporary, and the gateway isnt even publicly available)

[gleaming shell]

lmao amazing

oh right and they havent even brought back the linux version, if they even ever will again^

[misty furnace]

linux soonTM

3-5 business years

[civic tusk]

@gleaming shell they are testing non streaming workloads now but i believe they will eventually be doing streaming related delivery workloads once the entity begins rolling out mid-April 2026

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately it's mid May now and no updates 😔

imagine the customer doesn't do anything then they remove the static pay so we're screwed over with another 2 dead gateways

[civic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-god-forbid-tony-gif-5308163908812894603

It is genuinely the only earnings i get nowadays

that and the 100% fraudulent job i keep getting for two picoseconds before it commits loud and violent ritual seppuku (promises to pay me 5 cents at most and gives me 5 hundredths of a cent at most) which still manages to plague salad even though its been reported to support with no end in sight unfortunately

maybe its Palantir just trying to gather any slightly unethical thing I have ever done in my life and they’re paying salad so much to keep their mouths shut about it

[gleaming shell]

im on salad only for the sgs / occasional good cpu containers

but honestly i might just stop using salad on my desktop, because i have a 16 thread CPU and i want to actually make use of it

literally any slight moderate load in your cpu, no matter how good it is, and salad will find a way to die

[robust creek]

Lets make a guess about the next version that will be removed, android or mac?

[wooden vessel]

today traffic on Salad is extremely low on both Athelas and Henna gateway

[old carbon]

Bandwidth not working today

[civic nova]

Athelas also died today 🥲

[dusk phoenix]

RO-C dead today too low static pay (under 20 per day)

[gleaming shell]

They can't bother to make a Mac version lol

And their android app is so bad and vibe coded it straight up doesn't even work 💀

[robust creek]

there is a mac version

[gleaming shell]

wait really?

[robust creek]

yes

[gleaming shell]

Interesting

[wooden vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-end-adele-skyfall-lyrics-gif-5110850188931353334

[reef linden]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

[valid vigil]

why do i keep getting trash server with trash upload speed?

[upbeat shuttle]

That's just how librespeed is sometimes, because it's free

[valid vigil]

i havent started chopping since yesterday because of this

[upbeat shuttle]

You've just gotta quit the app and restart saladbowl until you get a decent ndm result

[valid vigil]

thats what i am doing since yesterday

[gleaming shell]

you could try blocking the bad server in firewall, libresheit is dumb but smart enough to detect servers blocked in your firewall

[fossil onyx]

Someone as list of servers in France ?

[civic tusk]

despite rtx 3060's being on high demand that same damnable workload still keeps popping up which just wastes my computer resources for no reward to myself as it eternally downloads.

i earn more with a mid-range workstation CPU very few people even use than a well established mid-range GPU that is newer than this CPU

also the new upgrades to download speeds don't help when i'm literally just loading zip bomb workloads onto my RAM

[gleaming shell]

poor disk writes

[civic tusk]

i earn genuinely 5 cents with it on full load and drawing 200 watts vs the 10 cents on my cpu and my cpu is genuinely doing nothing

gee i wonder which is higher paying and defaults when I turn on both CPU and gpu workloads (oh yeah the gpu workload gets prioritized even though it earns LESS than CPU workload)

[gleaming shell]

i have a 10 cent cpu container on my desktop thats been doing nothing for a while now

it just exists

[civic tusk]

do you still have the job?

seems its either full or its finished

wait nvm it came back lmao

[gleaming shell]

Yeah it's still going away at it 💀

[blissful sequoia]

My bandwidth jobs suddenly cut out just a couple of hours ago. I was running both container and bandwidth jobs on my two rigs, but the bandwidth sharing stopped on both of them at the same time. Did something go wrong with the servers?

[robust creek]

Traffic has almost completely died for me

[harsh grove]

Where you from ...?

[robust creek]

Italy

[harsh grove]

In India also died 6 days ago

[fossil onyx]

Same here I lost 1/3 of my revenue

[safe niche]

yall why is bw india dead 🥀

[civic nova]

It's been dead for a week and we don't think it's coming back

[fossil onyx]

Any idea why my client is generating ndm log file each minutes ?

[upbeat shuttle]

yeahh that's a rare-ish bug where librespeed keeps looping running

you've gotta quit salad and restart the saladbowl process in task manager

or alternatively, restart your pc

[safe niche]

Why not ?

[upbeat shuttle]

Nobody knows

Customers can come and go as they please, because they're not bound to use Salad by any kind of contract

Maybe they found a cheaper solution for them, or maybe they're just doing some temporary maintenance or testing, or maybe their company went bankrupt

[civic nova]

Because it's never guaranteed that there will be bandwidth sharing and there are many gateways and countries in the world that have dead gateways and traffic for years. And, Maybe India is next now

[harsh grove]

Or maybe they went to Mars for holiday😂

[wooden vessel]

Bankrupt

[wooden vessel]

Or they have gathered all the data they want from India 🙂

[harsh grove]

Kaunsa mallu aunty wala

[wooden vessel]

Ye kya h ?

[harsh grove]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/tu-samjha-nhi-tu-nhi-smajha-akshay-kumar-akshay-kumar-in-car-gif-23496568

[safe loom]

speak in english here pls

[wooden vessel]

Nope 🫠

[safe niche]

damn

alr alr

[wooden vessel]

bw earning

VS what it's used to be

[tardy swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379608936839118936/1402805671300436109/twitter_1952929265311465966.gif

[gleaming shell]

united states v2 💀

actually no thats still a slight bit better (unless it earnings from something else

[wooden vessel]

🤧

[mighty fractal]

is salad down?

it just went to this

[silk wraith]

Same..

[mighty fractal]

ok surely must be down then

2026-04-14 18:52:23.455 +02:00 [INF] {"level":"error","ts":1776185543.4548128,"caller":"ingress/api-client.go:413","msg":"Dial err: dial tcp4 xx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx connectex: Impossibile stabilire la connessione. Rifiuto persistente del computer di destinazione.","stacktrace":"github.com/SaladTechnologies/sgs/pkg/ingress.GPCHandleServerDispatchRequest.func1\n\tC:/Users/ericn/Documents/Projects/salad-gateway-service/go/pkg/ingress/api-client.go:413"} also i have this in sgs

oh it just recovered

[civic tusk]

💀

yeah i'll just shut down until salad fixes this

[serene falcon]

For me it's looping right now downloadong, running, finding

[civic tusk]

GPU workloads?

[serene falcon]

Cpu

[civic tusk]

hm idk then

my 3060 does the exact same thing

[gleaming shell]

my sgs died but my salad app cant connect so i just have to wait

[harsh grove]

Now working

[gleaming shell]

my machines still seem to not connect to salad

i guess ill shut down my machines for now

[tardy swan]

Soon, I promise…

[reef linden]

thanks for replying so fast 🙏

[fossil onyx]

Still the salad issue here ??

[fossil onyx]

No bw job here

[bronze crane]

same bw job is about nothing,so tired

[fossil onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-gif-text-complete-done-gif-18917396

[civic nova]

Bandwidth Jobs really ended. They are no more

[gleaming shell]

Salad doesn't take down dead gateways, y'all are gonna be in for a long one 😭

[civic nova]

That's the sad part, they don't even give us option to connect to gateway of choice, Or change the gateways available for a country

[gleaming shell]

sgs is unfortunately not off the best, most polished system and has never been.they're probably more focused on container workloads

[civic tusk]

also even if you can connect to them, you don't get paid for them. magnificent!

either that or the new customer cut all funding to the new US SGS gateways and removed the passive few cents an hour

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately yes that some to all the gateways that are obviously available here in the US and it unfortunately sucks

[gleaming shell]

Are you not getting the static subsidy for the testing gateways?

It's died for me a few times but a simple restart fixed it

I'm still getting paid for both testing gateways

[gleaming shell]

holy my autocorrect is absolutely not autocorrecting

I don't think i intended to type half the words 💀

[civic tusk]

i don’t believe so, i can get another computer online to test if its just an isolated incident as my workstation is doing the 8 cent cpu job now

[gleaming shell]

Also it's almost June now and they were apparently supposed to start more widely testing mid april

Idk what happened

[gleaming shell]

I believe you just have to reenae bandwidth sharing?

But of course it's a passive income app so I wouldn't even give it my 100%trust, everything has a risk

[civic tusk]

it finally went up to 10 cents now so maybe salad execs heard my issue and instantly fixed it

[fossil onyx]

Ho to switch gateway ? I have a bad one . Reboot ?

[civic tusk]

btw do you still have the 10 cent per hour cpu job

[gleaming shell]

yeah 💀

well

its a different one

[gleaming shell]

no need to reboot, you just need to restart salad

or just reenable bandwidth sharing, if youre worried youll lose a container

[fossil onyx]

Ok 👌

[gleaming shell]

restarting anything is very rng though

[fossil onyx]

Rng ?

[gleaming shell]

a more effective method is to just end sgs client in task manager so salad starts another one (given you are still able to get other gateways), until you get a good gateway. if you end non container workloads on salad, it wont start it back until you dismiss the degraded error. So if you end a dead gateway, it wont start that dead gateway again

this way you have less chance of getting spammed with the same dead gateway

[gleaming shell]

random number generator, "luck based"

either way, both do not guarantee you will get a good gateway

[fossil onyx]

It won’t start again ever ? How much time it takes to swap ?

[gleaming shell]

sometimes it can be instant, sometimes it can take hours

if it doesnt start up then unfortunately its better to just stop salad temporarily until bandwidth sharing becomes better

[fossil onyx]

Seems I have one but with very low traffic

0.09 today vs 1.60$ usually

[fossil onyx]

I ended sgs client . Now salad is in degraded mode. It will retry by itself ?

[gleaming shell]

yeah when non container workloads end, it searches for a "fallback"

but if it doesnt, then youre out of luck :(

[fossil onyx]

I clicked on retry

[civic tusk]

alright bc it seems like I no longer get it

and i also have an 8 core cpu

[gleaming shell]

interesintg

cpu containers for some reason have been unusually consistenmt on my desktop

its always the 10 cent ones but they last

[civic tusk]

same for me

and they use 0 cpu resources

[gleaming shell]

do that after you get a good gateway

[gleaming shell]

yeah they kinda just... exist

[fossil onyx]

Do you have strong CPU ?

[gleaming shell]

well, i think a 16 thread cpu that can do 4.65ghz sustained on all threads is decent?

[fossil onyx]

what about intel ultra 5 235 14 cores

[gleaming shell]

but honestly a strong cpu doesnt really matter on salad, because the app itself is highly intolerant to a high cpu load

of course, the overall thread count does matter since i believe (?) customers can choose up to 16 threads (?)

[gleaming shell]

might be overkill tbh

but it works

[fossil onyx]

How do you see if you have cpu containers ?

[gleaming shell]

theres no actual "indication" in the app right now, but usually if its very low paying, its a cpu container

[fossil onyx]

Like 0.0014 to 0.0030 ?

[gleaming shell]

sounds about right

its 10 cents per day

[fossil onyx]

Gotcha

Ok sgs restarted with very low sgs job

I know which gateway is ok. I delete folders to see if it’s showing

[gleaming shell]

do make sure that you know and are 100% sure that the gateway is actually dead and has been dead for a while and is known to be dead for a while

so you dont end up killing anything thats actually worth your electricity to run of course

[fossil onyx]

I know the one who runs well and 3 others are like almost dead very tiny traffic

[gleaming shell]

what gateway is that

[fossil onyx]

Good one is bandwidth-SGS-FR

[gleaming shell]

mmmm new gateway

can you send a log inside that folder so I can document the gateway name?

prefarrably the first log ever created in there

[fossil onyx]

Shitty

[civic tusk]

2026-05-28 16:37:10.157 -04:00 [INF] Wallet: Current(29.62), Predicted(-1.00)

does this mean i'm earning -1 dollar???

[gleaming shell]

thanks

oh thats a very weird gatewy name

[fossil onyx]

Not bad but shitty

[gleaming shell]

it means theres no prediction atm i think

[fossil onyx]

My boy

[civic tusk]

been running for like 10 minutes and it can't predict 💀

i think the mysterious cpu workload might be funded with the earnings they promise to give GPU workloads

because its using ALL of my vram and all of my gpu

and it can't predict whether to give me a few cents

[gleaming shell]

wow that is dead jobless

actaually wait no carnation is supposed to have strong traffic iirc

did that change?

[civic tusk]

oh now i'm earning a cent and a half for this job

i earn more from the testing gateways dawg

[fossil onyx]

Monthly carnation

[civic tusk]

and they use like sub 30W even on my desktop with SGS

💀

infernal gpu workloads

i wish we could report workloads for just scamming chefs

estimates say 4 cents per hour but we get a cent and a half with regular voltage

[gleaming shell]

yeah lmao

[civic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-literally-1984-gif-15073437220075643382

[gleaming shell]

ok yeah i guessed so

[civic tusk]

i'm just gonna hope to the heavens that i get that 10 cent cpu job again

nothing i can do on my end

[fossil onyx]

Still with version 1.9.5 should I move to 1.9.17?

[gleaming shell]

If you want to. Bandwidth-sharing wise, it makes no difference

[fossil onyx]

Ok

[onyx fiber]

I got a 2x bonus will it help with bandwidth sharing

[tardy swan]

if you earn with bandwidth sharing

[fossil onyx]

How ?

[onyx fiber]

Cuz of the issue that happened yesterday #announcements

[fossil onyx]

Since this outage bw sharing is shitty here .

[robust creek]

Same here, 0 traffic

[gleaming shell]

this might last for months upon months, gl y'all 💀

[robust creek]

But 0 traffic means customers cannot use the service so they should get angry, if customer is angry company should fix issues faster

Maybe

[gleaming shell]

Unfortunately, majority of the cases (at least in the us, idk about other countries), it's the customer that's bad and pushes like zero traffic on their gateway resulting in nothing for the chefs. (And maybe of course oversupply )

[gleaming shell]

And also unfortunately, salad hasn't had a fastest record of "fixing the issues". For example a while back one gateway in the us, dandelion, has actually broke (not even dead jobless, like actually failing to connect), but users were still getting assigned that gateway.

Users reported it was broken, salad said that they were "aware of it and working on a fix", but months passed by and zero updates, users were still getting assigned.

Then a bit after, I'm not sure if this was the "fix" or not, but they removed the gateway entirely

Either way it was a weird experience

[robust creek]

This issue was happening with an italian old gateway too but at least we was getting paid anyways even if the gateway was not connecting and back then static pay was higher than traffic pay

[mighty fractal]

idem, only static pay

i really don't know what happened, that gateway would always give me atleast 1 dollar per day

now i only have the 12 cents from static pay

also i saw it also got the new sgs client

[robust creek]

I suspect salad is having issues

[mighty fractal]

just look at this!!

[mighty fractal]

you even had both the gateways, it just makes the example even clearer

is the pink one ec?

[robust creek]

yes

[mighty fractal]

can't we get someone to look into this?

i think i see a pattern

[civic tusk]

theres lot of issues with SGS. US has arguably the most even before this outage occurred.

most you can probably do at the moment is make a ticket.

also @gleaming shell have you heard anything about the not so new SGS customer in the US?

[gleaming shell]

Unfortunately no :( I Asked if someone could bring it up in the most recent stream but it seems like my message wasn't catched

I think I could interrogate next week as my school year is done

Latest update is still "they should start further releasing or something mid april" but it's June now 💀

[gleaming shell]

Unfortunately salad is very slow / less "responsive" on the SGS side
Like what @civic tusk said, there's many issues with SGS, even ones since day one but likely aren't going to be resolved any time soon

[mighty fractal]

but the fact is that this gateway was working great just before the crash

i think they are also losing money here

[civic tusk]

if so, it’s probably not enough money lost to make them pay attention and fix the issues.

also, aren’t these SGS servers hosted by the clients, or does Salad control them?

If owned and operated by clients, Salad might have made some shadow update to SGS so that the connection between the Salad network and the client’s servers are severed unless they update their servers.

[upbeat shuttle]

Salad owns and operates the sgs servers

[robust creek]

the green sgs is not starting but the other is slowly recovering

[gleaming shell]

noone benefits from these dead gateways, so its deaf a loss for us chefs. But im not sure whether salad customers need to pay just to have their gateway up

if not, then thats just BS, as customers can just "forget about their gateway that theyll do nothing with", but chefs get assigned that very exact gateway and salad just pays to keep a gateway up that noone will benefit off of

but once again, i have no clue whether salad covers the gateway cost or if the customers cover it. Either way, its a loss for the chef and someone on the other side at the end of the day

[gleaming shell]

(as you said, if so) they could well use that dead-gateway-money for development on app reliability/stability 😭

[fossil onyx]

Completely dead . No sgs client . Even after trying salad 1.9.17 and rollback to 1.9.5

[robust creek]

both sgs came but traffic is dead

[civic fern]

yup yup

[mighty fractal]

ok ok sgs seems to be back

[fossil onyx]

I have a gateway where bidirthroughput is 0 alaways and no sgs client

[wooden vessel]

just a small flactuation i have some too but not like past days of consistent traffic

[mighty fractal]

it was a cpu container

[wooden vessel]

U told sgs is back 🙃

[mighty fractal]

sorry i didn't realize it

it seems to be a widespread issue

[wooden vessel]

[mighty fractal]

when is someone going to acknowledge it

[wooden vessel]

They don't 🙁 all they say is random things, well it could be they don't have any info or they weren't allowed to say

Salad team member or someone who looks into sgs can answer it

[fossil onyx]

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