Bandwidth Sharing FAQs + Troubleshooting

[gleaming shell]

mine picks up upload

[frigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[rocky orbit]

Why do people keep using ip score as base for their ip quality!!!11!1?!?!1?2

[thorny imp]

Because of what is said in pins of this thread

[rocky orbit]

Why don't they use something like this??? (That's the lookup site directly from the provider btw)

https://www.barracudacentral.org/lookups/lookup-reputation
https://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php
https://www.blacklistalert.org/

Can you just calculate a score of your ip?

What are formula are they using to calculate your ip score???

What are the retention on those verdict??? (People can just reset their router and moved to other IP address)

Even ChatGPT doesn't know even is "IP score"

Crazy

[shrewd terrace]

does bandwidth sharing support greece

[misty furnace]

nope, not yet #announcements message

[upbeat shuttle]

?remindme 8h perhaps

[glacial fox]

I'll remind you on Jan 28, 2024 09:48, perhaps

[shrewd terrace]

1 week and no SGS smh

[tardy swan]

im not even reliant on BW anymore

1 month and 12 days

[misty furnace]

sgs literally said NO to you

[robust creek]

i've heard that static pay decreased even more now, it's 0,10 a day now LOL salad going worse and worse

[pulsar arrow]

wild

[modest dew]

yup here in sweden it is 0,10 a day

based on my math

[modest dew]

Around

[thorny imp]

cant have shit on this app anymore without a 4090 or 3090

Just waiting for my prolific waiting list thingy to be accepted

Cuz that is like 9 eur/hour

[robust creek]

ye but unfortunately not always there are available surveys, especially on weekend, but when there are they pay very good and cover the days of 0 surveys in my opinion

[robust creek]

what is salad thinking? xd are they aware that they are going to lose lots of users?

[stiff wedge]

OMG

2 months

It’s started

Farewell guys selling my soul to Salad 🫡🫡

[knotty gazelle]

it hasnt started for me

[robust creek]

honestly salad for me now can be put in the trash and forget about it, its only getting worse

[upbeat shuttle]

"Taking rest from Salad"

[civic fern]

I love people existing just for complaining about something

[robust creek]

An endless rest

[robust creek]

Because it was the best app existing until greediness started from salad

[civic fern]

i will always choose this version of salad over static earnings from 4 years ago to be fair

also, since i use salad while using my pc anyway, i don't see the problem

[robust creek]

I don't wanna give my hardware for that low money

When you talk about bw then ok

But not too low there either

[hollow vortex]

You are back complaining again .

[upbeat shuttle]

you know you're not under some contract to use Salad, or be here, right?

[peak terrace]

Kick this user

Boot to the bottom

[misty furnace]

A restless end

[runic cargo]

my ip address is blacklisted in 2 site

what does this mean, and i havent been getting job for the past 2 days

[misty furnace]

just get a new ip then

either reboot the router or refresh the ip. google can help with how

[gleaming shell]

my old isp has dynamic ip

Only my thing I miss about my old isp

[misty furnace]

I love my isp usually. sometimes they have random outages that last up to 3 days and give no warning or estimate. we even called once and they said no outages were in the area, even though the whole street had no internet

[charred creek]

guys pls help i didnt got bandwith from a month im from india 150 mbps upload speed

[misty furnace]

it's not guaranteed

[gleaming shell]

is running bandwidth sharing on school internet allowed?
some bandwidth sharing apps do allow it being run on school internet
i just read through the salad tos and i couldnt find anything saying that you cant/arent allowed to run bandwidth sharing on school internet or anything that has to do with it

but i cant be sure if it is really allowed on salad

i searched up if its legal to use the school internet to "make money" but couldnt get an answer

and for any mods or employees concerned, no i dont run salad on my school internet or through school electricity

[upbeat shuttle]

I'd assume it'd follow the general rule of you needing explicit permission from whoever runs whatever you're running Salad on

[misty furnace]

not sure if sgs works on what I assume would be a datacenter ip

[gleaming shell]

damn i would have to probably contact the district then

[gleaming shell]

its a business ip, i got sgs client on it before on accident

[shrewd terrace]

genuinely tho why have i not got sgs and ive ran salad for a week with gigabit internet with uk residential ip

and theres people getting it with business ip

[misty furnace]

it’s all based on demand

[shrewd terrace]

no point trying to restart my pc or smth right?

[misty furnace]

also what is your speed as measured by Librespeed? (use the command in the pins of this forum)

[shrewd terrace]

2024-01-29 22:09:47.546 +00:00 [INF] Ping: 2 ms Jitter: 1 ms
2024-01-29 22:10:03.067 +00:00 [INF] Download rate: 901.36 Mbps
2024-01-29 22:10:18.678 +00:00 [INF] Upload rate: 81.70 Mbps

tf is wrong with librespeed on the upload

now its getting even worse

it literally doesnt know how to upload

surely tho 80Mbps is not too little

[tardy swan]

Librespeed is just bad

[shrewd terrace]

i got to 270Mb/s but i doubt itll do anything different to 80

[gleaming shell]

Yeah librespeed (libreshit) sucks ass but sadly salad uses it ATM

[hollow vortex]

Schools use datacenter IPS

[gleaming shell]

Eh either way I can get sgs client on it which is weird

[hollow vortex]

probably wouldnt work , even if it did pop up. however youd prolly get caught too.

[gleaming shell]

Yeah I stopped salad immediately so I don't get in trouble

[tardy swan]

⚠️

[gleaming shell]

rip, looks like pay per gigabyte got lower (source: 120ish day data from my shitty overly untrustable spreadsheet)

hopefully it gets higher if that will ever happen

or pay per gb has never changed and i did this math wrong or smth (i dont think i did)

[pallid fern]

guys my salad bandwidth was working fine but now its not earning from 1 week.. any fix?

[humble oriole]

anyone has UAE bandwith?

[stiff wedge]

Ok dude it decided to randomly stop itself

What the flip

[hollow vortex]

Nah looks bout right, it was roughly there about 5 months ago when. I did it for 1TB but really .004/.005 isn't shit per gb. Just Penny's end of the day . If I didn't leave my laptop on 24/7 I wouldn't even bother with salad.

[humble oriole]

when i try to run ndm logs, download speeds are completely good, but the upload speed on the other hand starts at 90 mbps and goes down till 3 mbps

[misty furnace]

blame librespeed

[elder spoke]

Same prob here, full random

[humble oriole]

mhmm

tbh after trial and error i found that its completley luck

and its random

[misty furnace]

mine seems to be fine

but tbf I have a server nearby

[humble oriole]

Ping: 808 ms Jitter: 1644 ms
Download rate: 447.22 Mbps
Upload rate: 13.40 Mbps

best speeds i could get tbh

@misty furnace do u think this might work

[misty furnace]

horrible ping wtf

[humble oriole]

yes

librespeeds

why doesn't salad switch to something better

[misty furnace]

[humble oriole]

didn't cyph say it won't be soon

or someone

[misty furnace]

they need to find something reliable that works anywhere in the world and doesn’t require a commercial license to use commercially (or if it does, something that isn’t too expensive)

[humble oriole]

not soon tho

[hollow vortex]

Bruh ur jitter ? Omg lmao you could not even watch a movie without massive voice /video issues with that kind of jitter .

[humble oriole]

ever heard of

libreshit?

i run netflix at 4k with no buffering

[hollow vortex]

I get 0-3 jitter on lib speed.

[humble oriole]

how

[hollow vortex]

Good internet lol

[humble oriole]

speed test rn

@hollow vortex

[hollow vortex]

Last test I ran #chef-posting message I lied guess 4ms jitter

[humble oriole]

but libreshit says i got 200 down 3 up

[hollow vortex]

Yeah they don't got a decent server for u.

[humble oriole]

yea

[hollow vortex]

And the routing to it sucks apparently to get that kind of massive ping/jitter

[humble oriole]

yea

yay

[misty furnace]

mine says 950 down 750 up and 2ms

[humble oriole]

congrats?

[runic cargo]

for how long

M i doing something wrong my librespeed and sgs client has not even working and not used any data for the past 7 days

[hollow vortex]

wait longer? just cause you pass the test does not mean they have a job for you.

always twitter

[sullen sand]

I had a similar score reduction due to one of salads customers using my internet to send spam emails and my ip being flagged by barracuda. I resolved it by blocking outgoing email ports and contacting barracuda (where the negative score originated from) to explain the situation and the steps I took to resolve the issue. They removed the flag instantly while they reviewed my case, this was a couple of weeks ago and although I haven't heard back from them they haven't reinstated the spam flag.

[hollow vortex]

How do you know it was from salad and not from a previous person that used the IP ? most ips are dynamic which changes over time so you'll never have the same one for years. or even a 6 month period ) . Unless you have static .

[sullen sand]

because i have a static IP and have done for about 6years 😅

[hollow vortex]

I was thinking it was static, just was curious lol

[sullen sand]

yeah i pay about £5 a month for static as I do host retro mmo's and such, static IP's just make autopatchers etc simpler to maintain

[hollow vortex]

yeah and many other things lol

[sullen sand]

yeah ^^

[misty furnace]

I get a static ip for free, but I literally can’t change it, even with a router reboot or reset

[hollow vortex]

Not every dynamic ip changes on a router reset.

[misty furnace]

I have had this ip for 3 years, I can confirm it’s static

[gleaming shell]

i cant tell if my ip is static or dynamic

but it definitely dosent change from a router restart

[misty furnace]

aight imma drive home now. cya in an hour or so

[sullen sand]

some peeps assume they have a static ip as they are in the "long lease" pool of ip addresses, you have to have router off for several days to be assigned a new one.

[misty furnace]

I had my router off for over a week because of a power outage and still have the same ip so idk

[sullen sand]

maybe your ISP are absolute darlings and give you static IP for free like you said then 😄

mine are greedy so charge me £5 a month for it

[hollow vortex]

here in the US i dont know of any ISP that will give free static ip.

[sullen sand]

yeah I don't know any in the UK that do it either

[misty furnace]

I just asked my dad to show me the bill and it turns out since his company pays for the internet, they decided to add a static ip to help with a vpn thing. looks like I have a paid static ip :3

it’s like $5/month

[sullen sand]

ahhh there we go 😄

[humble oriole]

Does bandwidth work with win 10?

[misty furnace]

why wouldn't it

[humble oriole]

Idk

Container don't work in old versions of win 10

[misty furnace]

then update windows? idk

[upbeat shuttle]

^ Windows 10 is indeed supported lol

and it's pretty obvious you should be keeping it at least somewhat up to date

[jovial fiber]

is 8gbps symmetrical a thing available in ur countries ?

[hollow vortex]

In the US , yes.

[hollow vortex]

Can get 40gbps for about 2,200$ a month. Lol

[civic fern]

holy shit

kinda expensive tho

[jovial fiber]

yeah but like 8gbps symmetrical for 60€ a month

[hollow vortex]

Can get 1.5 gbps for 50

IDC I pay 30 and get more then what I pay for . 600/600 get anywhere from 650-900 both ways

[humble oriole]

50 what

50 euro's

50 dollars

50 ruppes

[gleaming shell]

Dollars probably

[misty furnace]

bruh I get 1gbps symmetrical for $80/mo

expensive here

[tardy swan]

how can i boost my earnings?

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[gleaming ibex]

no matter how fast I get my bandwidth and speeds librespeed will keep torturing me

like literally any other server in India gives me 200downloand 150 upload 5ms ping

fastest librespeed servers give me 12 mbps download/upload ping 50 ms

[hollow vortex]

$ us

[robust creek]

in italy the easiest jobs you will find at the age of 20-29 are jobs that pays you 400-600€ a month for 8 hours of work 5 days a week

when the normal pay rate in italy is 1700 👍

they using the excuse "you are young and need learn"

ok but i'm wasitng my full time already, i'm not working 2 hours a day.

then most of people at my age and similar refuses to work and those people offering so low money cries because no one wants to work.

checkmate! pay me good and i'll come work for you

[peak terrace]

hooooly fucking shit it's been over 20 days now

man am i happy to see this again

[misty furnace]

gets the UK equivalent of SGS-US-2

[peak terrace]

actually this is rose gateway

so gateway 1

[misty furnace]

this is my current state with SGS:

[shrewd terrace]

Did U get that after updating?

[peak terrace]

nope

just randomly

i am on 1.3.4 right now and i am scared to update as i may lose it

[peak terrace]

updated to 1.3.6 and got sgs instantly

how very goofy

[misty furnace]

yup

[misty furnace]

when updates come out, a lot of nodes go offline at the same time so updating at that time is perfect

especially if you update when the discord ping comes out, before all of the app notifs are out

[peak terrace]

i updated just as the notification came through on salad

[peak terrace]

already getting bw jobs

very nice

shame the $/gb is shit now though

[dense karma]

SAME

Librespeed wanna bully me fr

I have got a temp fix i.e, restart your router and then you will see that upload speed will return to normal

[silver cedar]

holy shit

is librespeed still this garbage

even after months and months

[knotty gazelle]

can we switch to ookla speedtest

[misty furnace]

do they have commercial speedtesting?

[knotty gazelle]

i guess they have this https://www.speedtest.net/apps/cli

[dense karma]

yeh

[gleaming shell]

Haven't seen you in a while lol

But yeah librespeed still sucks ass

[silver cedar]

damn

but yeah I kinda gave up on the salad thing a while ago since it eats too much of my power to be worth it

[gleaming shell]

rip

[silver cedar]

it would probably help if my hardware was more powerful and efficient tho

the most powerful thing in my house is an hp proliant dl380 g9 with 64gb ddr4 2133, 2x xeon e5-2630v3, and a tesla p4 8gb

dont think that would run salad workloads very efficiently

[thorny imp]

the issue i seem to have whenever a salad update drops is that i get no sgs for a solid 4 days even tho i had traffic w/ instant sgs boot up directly before the update

[knotty gazelle]

why cant salad use this

[upbeat shuttle]

costs money for commercial use, would be my guess

[knotty gazelle]

i dont see it costing money

[upbeat shuttle]

https://www.ookla.com/speedtest-powered

[knotty gazelle]

well then i think they should lower the requirement for the upload speed

[upbeat shuttle]

10mbps is pretty low

[peak terrace]

10mbps is like the border of being useful to companies

although having said that it is also probably distributed over many connections

[misty furnace]

borderline useful for productivity

[upbeat shuttle]

considering other people / the user will likely be using their network at the same time, too, I'm actually kinda surprised the minimum is 10mbps

[misty furnace]

luckily i’m 95x the mininum according to librespeed

[humble oriole]

libreshit*

[gleaming shell]

Yeah libreshit

[knotty gazelle]

libreshit

[robust creek]

because in fact 10mbps is not the minimum, not only in italy but also in norway, i cannot test other countries as i don't know anyone else that could try (the friend in uk yes but with 10mbps sgs started for him back then but now not anymore but we stopped testing months ago anyways)

italy minimum : 100mbps
norway minimum : 40mbps

[robust creek]

this is my final message because i decided to leave this server, i see it's useless complaining, they only think about money and not their users.

congrats Ericka, continue to fool your users on support chat, good that you keep decreasing paying rates so people will leave, amazing that you only pay good to uk bw users, surprising that you pay very low GPU users.

i'm out of that crap. byebye

[upbeat shuttle]

insane until the very end

the end of the ec2 era

anyways

[jovial fiber]

rizzua wut
do you like rice ?
riz means rice in french

[frigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[pulsar arrow]

rip

[knotty gazelle]

what is the maximum ping i can have

to be applicable for bw sharing

in ndm log

[misty furnace]

why did they take it out on Erika 😭

[peak terrace]

Sgs works when librespeed records 11mbps for me

[naive lava]

all i can say is tht u should ideally have a ping that's in the range of 100-200 ms

[gleaming shell]

Rip

I liked to read his complaints

[misty furnace]

me at 2ms:

[gleaming shell]

I get that ping on local network lol

[misty furnace]

by that math, the server is less than 250km from me

because round-trip of 2ms fiber would be 600km at the speed of light in a vacuum, and that doesn’t count for latency at switches

[peak terrace]

standard

[gleaming shell]

Same

let's suffer together

wow, right as i was going to update salad

ok it died

[peak terrace]

the reason this happened is i installed a utility to limit how much bandwidth sgs can use and that caused it to cut off networking to sgs-client.exe for a second

it is working well, i configured it to limit to 25mbps to i have an extra 5mbps of wiggle room left

[gleaming shell]

oh the reaosn for my errors is bc i cant access the ips sgs needs (like i cant even ping them)

im probably blacklisted by those ips, cant be sure tho, idk how to get a new ip address, i dont wanna deal with calling my isp about it

[peak terrace]

i saw the brownout i had as an opportunity to switch my router off for 30 minutes and i got a fresh IP

[gleaming shell]

according to scamalytics, my ip score is 8

[gleaming shell]

dynamic ip moment

idk if my ip is dynamic or static but unplugging my router dosent give me a new ip

maybe i have to keep it unplugged for a few days idk

[hollow vortex]

nah i think sgs 2 something is wrong. my log file is 100 miles long of the same error lol and i can ping the ip just saying refused error.

[willow mango]

Been bandwidth mining in Canada for a week straight and earned 30 cents . Feeling kinda happy.

[upbeat shuttle]

why's that?

[peak terrace]

my dad is complaining that his video meetings are slow

[gleaming shell]

I wonder if ec2 is gonna use salad again

[gleaming shell]

Yeah sgs 2 is broken

I think Ericka said it's getting fixed

[peak terrace]

fronce

[gleaming shell]

wtf what's there a us ip

[knotty gazelle]

is this good enough for bw sharing

[knotty gazelle]

wheres everyone

[humble oriole]

yea

its fine

[knotty gazelle]

then when will i get money

[humble oriole]

you do know its not guaranteed to get money?

its about demand

[knotty gazelle]

give me an estimated time, i meant

[slate current]

How can i check if bandwith-sharing is available on Portugal?

[jovial fiber]

#1021501189977813002 message

[slate current]

Ok thanks

[humble oriole]

1 second - 100 years - never

[slate current]

Not available yet

[jovial fiber]

can i do bandwidth sharing with 64ko/s ?

[humble oriole]

theoretically no

[sinful lark]

Why is band with broken in australia

it just doesnt work here

because of librespeed

[hollow vortex]

Ping is a bit high tbh. Should be below 100 ms for a good chance at SGS coming alive.

[peak terrace]

band with

[peak terrace]

You answered your own question

[topaz dagger]

its coming alive finally

[sinful lark]

@rev_ozmund like I swear it doesn't even work for anyone I'm Australia

[knotty gazelle]

some guy said between 200 ms is good

[hollow vortex]

no. 100 or lower.

[knotty gazelle]

@naive lava are they wrong or are you wrong

[jovial fiber]

there is no specific number, the lower the better, but under 200 should be fine, it also depends of your country, under 200 in india is good but bad in us ...

[knotty gazelle]

is under 200 ms good in australia

[jovial fiber]

I don't know it depends where the nearest librespeed server is

[old compass]

does anyone have any advice i havent gotten any bandwidth for the past few months

i meet all the requirements

[pure lily]

have you tried reinstall?

[misty furnace]

what do the logs say? (use the command in the pins)

[topaz horizon]

2 years later, bw still doesn't work for me

[pure lily]

get better internet

[upbeat shuttle]

Any brits here notice the London librespeed server has been pretty good lately?

[subtle condor]

^^

[misty furnace]

oi bruv

[frigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[old compass]

So many times, librespeed logs tell me I meet the requirements but the last time sgs ran was in October or so

[pure lily]

just leave iit on for an hour maybe mine doesn't show up for that long

[pulsar arrow]

💀

[tardy swan]

Hi Leon

[safe loom]

the new singapore server is upload hell

[pulsar arrow]

hi

[old compass]

it just doesnt start

i could leave it on for 3 days straight

and it doesnt start

[pure lily]

same here were you using the pc?

i left mine on low power mode overnight and made like 12p with no background processes

[old compass]

yep

2022 winter bandwidth started almost immediately and paid 4 cents

uk

[misty furnace]

read your message and then think about how long ago that was

[old compass]

im aware

but still the stark contrast

from that to absolutely nothing

sgs wont even start

[misty furnace]

try this #1021501189977813002 message

[pure lily]

probably just want to turn elevated ram and elevated permissions on then leave it doing nothing but salad

[misty furnace]

alright you meet the minimum requirements

it may take a while, but you should see SGS-client in task manager one day

bandwidth sharing isn't guaranteed

[old compass]

i know

[topaz dagger]

this is actually the best shit ever now

i got sgs client instnatly 4 times in a row

too good

[old compass]

insane luck

[misty furnace]

I get it every day instantly

[pure lily]

No shit ur on gigabit 😭

[topaz dagger]

W

[topaz dagger]

which folder is that?

wtf

the minimum base rate

is soo much lower than it used to be tf

i swear it used to be 0.003

now its 0.001

[misty furnace]

either of these folders. it may be named differently for you depending on where you live

[topaz dagger]

k

how do i check

the city

my sgs client is running on

[misty furnace]

you can't check what it's doing in the logs, only that it is doing

[pure lily]

Can you check it outside the logs? Like this maybe?

[misty furnace]

glasswire

that’s the app

[pure lily]

whats your location path

[pure lily]

found it

[topaz dagger]

C:\ProgramData\Salad\logs

[pure lily]

theres a quicker way by going through salad

show logs

[topaz dagger]

i know

[pure lily]

I don't have a program data folder in drive C:

[topaz dagger]

thats what i went on

gn

[pure lily]

gn

@misty furnace is there any throttle on bandwidth if i have 2 computers running it

[misty furnace]

only one at a time can have bandwidth sharing on the same network

[gleaming shell]

unless your country has multiple usable gateways

[misty furnace]

I’m pretty sure salad only does one gateway per ip at a time

[gleaming shell]

you cant have multiple devices anymore?

i used to get 2 sgsses months back

[humble oriole]

i knew it

someone was stealing all the jobs

[frigid reef]

It used to be the case where you can have multiple if there was multiple gateways avalible in your country, though i havent got sgs on my 2nd pc for since the 2nd

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah i have no idea how it works anymore lol

[hollow vortex]

I still have 2 PCs running sgs on diff gateways

[modest dew]

i once had 3 sgs for some reason opened at same time though it was only 1 sgs at same time (it was so confusing basically 3 clients opened 1 connected)

this was 2 weeks ago

[humble oriole]

lmg

uk?

[modest dew]

nop

sweden'

[humble oriole]

what

thats not supported

oh nvm

it is

[modest dew]

sweden is

lol

[humble oriole]

lucky u

[modest dew]

sweden only gets this amount in static tho 😭

[humble oriole]

better than nothing

[modest dew]

it got reduced it used to be 0.00250 i think

true

[lone solstice]

At least you're not in Canada, haven't gotten a bandwidth job since november last year

[hollow vortex]

Any update on sgs-dandelion-gateway for US? its been nothing but errors forever. 12/2 when i noticed it wouldnt get any jobs etc.

[misty furnace]

I got a response from erika a few days ago saying the dev team is aware and working on it

[jovial fiber]

my bad salad is a cool company

[sinful lark]

Yo did salad change the requirements for Australis?

Australia?

Used to be 5/5

[modest dew]

I believe its 10/10

not sure, but anyone can correct me if im wrong

[sinful lark]

Nah in some regions it's 5/5

I've had it running on slightly higher than that for ages

[reef linden]

no it's 10/10 globally

[upbeat shuttle]

it's not exactly 10/10 everywhere

sometimes it can be lower, sometimes it can be higher

[modest dew]

Alright 👍

[humble oriole]

whats the max?

[pulsar arrow]

as fast as the libre speed servers

[tardy swan]

Bajillion

[humble oriole]

i got that lel

[hollow vortex]

Don't think theirs a max lol . Some of my speed tests were low still got sgs and still transferred higher rate then the actual test presented

[humble oriole]

breh

fuck librespeeds

[frigid reef]

the test is to see if you meet the minimum requirements not the max speed sgs will run at

[gleaming shell]

Libreshit

[humble oriole]

real

[gleaming shell]

real

[humble oriole]

real

[sullen sand]

lost bandwidth job right as my connection was being fully utilised 😂 user request:-1
does that mean i requested it or one of the 50 or so salad connections i had?
if it means I requested it how the heck did I do that while actively chopping? 😂
And if it was one of the connections, then why did i lose all of them?

[misty furnace]

user request is the person using your bandwidth

[sullen sand]

thanks

not sure why they requested it after a solid month of using it 🤷‍♂️ but never mind

just rebooted pc and got the same bandwidth job back 🤷‍♂️

weirdness lol

[misty furnace]

lol

[sullen sand]

well, nuggets are a callin, thanks for your help atom

[old compass]

could using honeygain alongside running salad lead to less bandwidth jobs?

[misty furnace]

you can use it but honeygain sucks

[hollow vortex]

if anything could possible lose $ on salad due to bandwidth is split between those two apps and anything else on your network.

[misty furnace]

honeygain uses like 1mbps lol

[hollow vortex]

Never used it. never will. lol so have no clue.

[old compass]

We pray for a bandwidth job

[hollow vortex]

ive had same one all day and its crap lol

[old compass]

I'd much rather have a crap bandwidth job than amno bandwidth job

I got a container for 1.81/day

Relying on that for now

If I get a bandwidth job then it'll be amazing

[upbeat shuttle]

that's not.. your speeds

[sharp drum]

oh

emr

nobody saw that

😄

[upbeat shuttle]

lol

[misty furnace]

use this to see your speeds

[upbeat shuttle]

that was the total amount of data transferred on your network connection

[misty furnace]

[sharp drum]

i want to recede my comment

[misty furnace]

good enough to work

11mbps is above the usual minimum of 10mbps for Bandwidth Sharing

(Librespeed sucks in a lot of places, your internet is most likely much faster than those results show)

[sharp drum]

i mean i been having this same speeds, if anything more and I still do not have sgs but at the same time I live in the US so that makes sense

[misty furnace]

nice

[misty furnace]

my received is kinda crazy because of a container today that downloaded 472gb

[hollow vortex]

😮

[waxen pollen]

I'm guessing this is more than able to run just for BW? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-Business-Computer-Professional/dp/B075FHNZC8/ref=pd_ci_mcx_pspc_dp_d_2_t_4?pd_rd_i=B075FHNZC8

[misty furnace]

if it runs windows and can display the desktop at more than 5 fps, yeah

[humble oriole]

any reason to why i might be not getting any bandwidth jobs:? got 900 down, 300up, libre speeds reports 50 up 50 down, still no jobs yet

[humble oriole]

i think my salad account is banned from bandwidth tbh

[knotty gazelle]

i think all of our salad accounts are banned from bandwidth

[humble oriole]

same

[civic fern]

i wish they could give me a big "you've been banned from using this" then

although i have a 20mbps upload so, i do deserve to not be able to run sgs

[humble oriole]

same

[upbeat shuttle]

i5 3470T, sure that'll probably be fine

Though it's probably not as efficient as newer CPUs

have you looked into Intel N100 mini PCs?

[humble oriole]

ozua is there something such as banned from bw

[upbeat shuttle]

[humble oriole]

nice

[upbeat shuttle]

you guys do like overthinking things

[humble oriole]

we don't really

[civic fern]

i mean, bans from containers do exist

[humble oriole]

all we want is money

[civic fern]

it would be plausible to think that sgs bans do exist aswell

[civic fern]

🦀

[upbeat shuttle]

looks like the N100 actually outperforms the i5 3470T, while consuming less power - though N100 mini PCs look to start at £169

[modest dew]

Had one that downloaded 2 tb but got nothing from it 😀

[naive lava]

holy shit

[misty furnace]

I got that same one again

14b24

[modest dew]

o

[misty furnace]

it has been containering for 8 hours, time to check on it

[misty furnace]

600GB in 8h

[modest dew]

sheesh

[modest dew]

og

[waxen pollen]

would it affect your earning rates though?

[upbeat shuttle]

probably not

assuming an optimised windows install; no bloat in the background using your cpu

personally, I'd probably go for something like an n100 instead of a 12 year old mini pc

[lone solstice]

These are just containers, not bandwidth?

If that's the case please DM me

[humble oriole]

is that weird?

[misty furnace]

it’s a single container with the same ID between several users. I’m not gonna be home for another 6-7 hours unfortunately

it uses hella bandwidth and ~32gb ram and doesn’t use GPU or write to disk. earns $1.50/day, the lowest paying I’ve seen of any container.

[misty furnace]

(any gpu container, that is)

[humble oriole]

yea its just 1 container that pays 1.5$ and using like 90% of the pc

others use like 30% and pays 1.8-2.2$

[misty furnace]

nah i’m talking about the one that literally only downloads and does nothing with the download

[humble oriole]

oh

idk about that

[old compass]

same

[deep pecan]

How do i enable bandwidth

[hollow vortex]

sgs be sgsin

[misty furnace]

X moment

[hollow vortex]

always. dont see much other then .

[tardy swan]

data eater

no SGS either

[gleaming shell]

Does salad still run libreshit even in countries that don't have bandwidth sharing yet?

[reef linden]

they have to

[misty furnace]

yes I think. it gives the ip and isp so they can know the country of the user for the adult workloads thing

[gleaming shell]

e

[humble oriole]

anyone knows why i never got a bandwidth?

i got 50 down 30 up on libre actual speeds are 1gb

[misty furnace]

because it isn’t guaranteed

[humble oriole]

would a vpn hypothetically work

[misty furnace]

I got 950 down 850 up on librespeed

[humble oriole]

well yea

libreshit

@misty furnace would a vpn work

[misty furnace]

Not officially. It would probably also break some TOS in some way

[humble oriole]

[misty furnace]

whether that be salad or your vpn provider

[upbeat shuttle]

no

[sinful lark]

Does salad show your issue?

ISp in logs

Is what I meant

[hollow vortex]

no. its either you pass or dont , and either your ping flux too much to high, or your just not needed by demand.

[reef linden]

"not needed"

[tardy swan]

Past month too

Which is just stupid

[pallid fern]

guys i dont get bandwidth jobs that often anymore… any fix?

should i switch to a new account or is it my network problem? My network upload speed is 200mbps and download is 250mbps.

[humble oriole]

its none

its salad being salad

[misty furnace]

just be patient

[upbeat shuttle]

It's not an account issue

Making another account isn't allowed, so it'd only make things worse heh

[pallid fern]

thank you guys

btw if im watching youtube on the same network, will salad still give me a job?

[misty furnace]

yeah if you still have decent bandwidth available, you'll be fine

[boreal anchor]

salad still aint givin job bru

its been one month since i actually earned sum shiddddd

[misty furnace]

workloads are not guaranteed

[boreal anchor]

oki

btw in chopping power it says have sufficient storage. i have 50 gb but its saying theres error calculating

[misty furnace]

wsl --import salad-enterprise-linux "C:\ProgramData\Salad\wsl" "C:\Program Files\Salad\wsl\salad-enterprise-linux.tar.gz" in a powershell terminal

[boreal anchor]

i'll try and let u know if it works

[misty furnace]

you may need to reboot after running that

[boreal anchor]

error

theere is error

[misty furnace]

what error?

[boreal anchor]

Import in progress, this may take a few minutes.
WSL2 is not supported with your current machine configuration.
Please enable the "Virtual Machine Platform" optional component and ensure virtualization is enabled in the BIOS.
Enable "Virtual Machine Platform" by running: wsl.exe --install --no-distribution
Error code: Wsl/Service/CreateVm/HCS/HCS_E_HYPERV_NOT_INSTALLED

[misty furnace]

open powershell as admin, then run Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName Microsoft-Hyper-V -All

[boreal anchor]

not working

[misty furnace]

try wsl.exe --install --no-distribution

[boreal anchor]

it worked

now what

[misty furnace]

now try the import again

[boreal anchor]

same error

while import

[misty furnace]

head over to #community-support

I didn't realize what channel we were in lol

[boreal anchor]

lol im sorry

[sinful lark]

Yo if there is anyone in the AU have you been getting any bandwith?

jovs

jobs*

[sacred mason]

How do i limit my download speed on my PC so salad doesn’t drain my whole internet i have 500mbps i want to lower it to 250mbps

[hollow vortex]

you need a 3rd party program that lets you customize and throttle apps

[hollow vortex]

by doing that you will limit your income for bw sharing.

[pulsar arrow]

🤯

[gloomy nacelle]

configure a traffic shapping on your router

[topaz dagger]

what exactly does sgs-client do?

does it do more upload or download?

[safe loom]

sgs-client is the process reaponsible for bandwidth sharing

in my usage bandwidth sharing is equally download and upload

mainly because its for streaming video content

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah

your PC is basically just acting as a relay

you download stuff, then immediately upload that stuff to salad's servers, which then gets sent to Salad's customers

[upbeat shuttle]

added 1 and 3

2 looked uneasy on the eyes so idk

[topaz dagger]

k ty

[unique cedar]

why are the earnings so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddd

[misty furnace]

amd issues

[topaz dagger]

fr my earnings been down the whole day today

but its slowly going up rn

[unique cedar]

talking about bw sharing

[misty furnace]

the jobs aren't guaranteed, so you're lucky to even have them

[sinful lark]

how do i see if sgs failed to download?

[misty furnace]

it won't fail

[upbeat shuttle]

You'd see it in your main logs

it'd be pretty obvious if it's failing to download

[sinful lark]

any keyuwords i can search

[upbeat shuttle]

I haven't seen anyone having that issue in a long time, so I don't recall 😅

[sinful lark]

i was going through my log why does it show my old speed test in there but not my new one

these are the main logs btw

[upbeat shuttle]

wdym?

[sinful lark]

like it shows the results of the speed test

one sec

it does a speed test

but my ndm logs show something else

[upbeat shuttle]

those.. are your ndm logs..?

[sinful lark]

nope main logs

that stuff is in the main logs

[upbeat shuttle]

strange, I don't see anything like that in my main logs

[misty furnace]

what folder is that log from?

[sinful lark]

its the one that is highlighted

[misty furnace]

oh interesting

[sinful lark]

but i reset salad bowl service

and got

[misty furnace]

yeah that's weird

[sinful lark]

52/27

[sinful lark]

on the actual ndm logs

[sinful lark]

what about inside the log files?

[sinful lark]

ohh sorry

my bad

do you think it will affect anything

[misty furnace]

no clue

[spark adder]

#show-off-your-earnings message

@pulsar gorge which isp are you on and what plan

[rocky orbit]

Wher

[upbeat shuttle]

pinned post, minimum requirements

with the other IP sites

[topaz dagger]

i think the demand is low rn, im getting rlly low earnings too

[jovial fiber]

i like the fact that salad is trustable compared to others ;-;

[misty furnace]

yikes

[jovial fiber]

I hope salad will stay a trustable company

[misty furnace]

I believe they will, they're headquartered in the US and have pretty good user interaction (not too much transparancy but customer privacy matters)

[jovial fiber]

I mean at least we know who work at salad, where are their headquarters and what is their product and know the real usage cases.

[misty furnace]

yeah. I can also see everything SGS is doing with glasswire, so that's some peace of mind

[jovial fiber]

it's not like other apps where you don't even know the company name and where they sell your bandwidth (for some)

[jovial fiber]

netflix

[misty furnace]

it's all twitter on my end lmao

[jovial fiber]

it seems i saw some kind of low bandwidth job, like web scraping but i'm not sure

[hollow vortex]

same.

[topaz dagger]

mine is just random shit

im getting paid much

[unkempt loom]

bro excuse me

wtf

[unkempt loom]

twitter whats that? all i have heard of is X

[green dragon]

how long does it take u to get a bw job

[unkempt loom]

5-15 mins, but they keep dying

[green dragon]

wtfff

[misty furnace]

nah it’s literally twitter.com still, not transitioned to x.com yet

[unkempt loom]

damn

[humble oriole]

yea x.com goes to twitter.com

imagine the guy who owned x.com

he's set for life

[frigid reef]

You mean Elon?

he has had it since his PayPal days :3

[humble oriole]

he dind't sell it?

[pulsar arrow]

he offered to sell it to me but I refused

[frigid reef]

he had it since like 1999

[humble oriole]

i'll buy it

[frigid reef]

then paypal owned it due to it being a asset of the company

and then sold it back to elon in 2017

[gleaming shell]

real

[tardy swan]

Can confirm

[polar breach]

I am chopping from 2 days even i left my laptop overnight but nothing is increasing and chopping time is not also increasing ....Pls Help!!!

[pure lily]

Leave it for longer probably mine didn't do anything for 3 days

I think its something to do with how stable your internet connection is

[sudden stratus]

i read almost this chat and idk how to resolve this fu----- problem and the problem of someone is saying is the internet the problem but mine is quite good actualy

[safe loom]

whats the problem?

[sudden stratus]

i can't earn, i let my pc all open yesterday but i only earned at 2-3 pm and i only use my cpu beacuse my gpu is not supported

[green dragon]

me when bandwith loves me ❤️

[sudden stratus]

where did you find that file

[green dragon]

salad > show logs

[sudden stratus]

idh

[green dragon]

nono

[sudden stratus]

ohh

i don't have it

:(

[sudden stratus]

i start earning with the gpu not suported and then it stops

idk how i do it

[restive gulch]

.

[topaz dagger]

salad closed for some reason 😭

[jovial fiber]

because you didn't got a bandwidth job yet

[jovial fiber]

it's more probably a cpu container

what is your gpu ?

[sudden stratus]

and how can i get

[jovial fiber]

you should disable gpu, it will earn you nothing

[jovial fiber]

by waiting

you can verify that you get correct speeds in log folder > ndm > open last file > search for ping, jitter, download rate and upload rate

[sudden stratus]

idk is a good idea, like i left salad with only cpu for 5h and don't do nothing but by gpu i earn a lot

[jovial fiber]

what do you mean you earn a lot ?

[sudden stratus]

this is with the gpu and cpu

[jovial fiber]

a graph without a scale is useless

[jovial fiber]

man

with your gpu you will barely make 4 cents a day

[sudden stratus]

k i will try to disable the gpu

[jovial fiber]

it's not gonna give you more without but for 4 cents keep your pc cool and don't consume more electricity that it earns

your only luck is bandwidth

cpu containers are uncommon

in which country are you?

[jovial fiber]

and can you do that ?

[sudden stratus]

italy

Ping: 119 ms Jitter: 105 ms Download rate: 57.01 Mbps Upload rate: 11.93 Mbps

[jovial fiber]

okay it should be fine but your upload speed barely meet the requirement (around 10mbps) so don't expect too much from it

also your jitter is not good

[misty furnace]

the test is a pass/fail iirc. you have have a horrible test but still get 500mbit sgs

and on the opposite end, you can have a great test and horrible bandwidth. I have 950 down 850 up and 1ms ping in salad librespeed, but for a long time I would rarely get sgs because the demand just wasn’t there

[jovial fiber]

yeah but if you don't meet the requirement you have nothing and 12mbps we don't know if it's above or below the requirement

[hollow vortex]

10/10 is roughly give or take with 100ms or lower ping . That jitter of 100 is outrageous .

[glossy hazel]

Hello guys! How can i enable bandwith sharing? I'm from Brazil (South America) and don't know if it is suported here. Do i have do active it on Windows? tks

[misty furnace]

you don’t have it available in your country unfortunately

[hollow vortex]

DId you hear of an update about sgs 2 yet?

[tardy swan]

We don’t need this in every channel

[hollow vortex]

.

[misty furnace]

none

[gleaming shell]

sad

[hollow vortex]

^^

[misty furnace]

thought I have noticed that I haven’t gotten sgs-2 since I messaged ivan about it

*though

[gleaming shell]

if sgs 2 is now unobtainable i might run sald on my shit pentium laptop again then

[misty furnace]

w

[gleaming shell]

ww

[misty furnace]

www

[hollow vortex]

i have,

[misty furnace]

when did you get it last

[hollow vortex]

i jsut shut down my laptop yesterday cause it kept connecting to sgs 2

[misty furnace]

oh yesterday. yeah idk maybe just lucky

[hollow vortex]

Why i was asking, so i can boot it back up. or make it into another project lol

[unkempt loom]

aight, just a joke

[sudden stratus]

thanks i let my pc open all morning when i was at school and now i have 0,0548

[gaunt trench]

damn u bouta be rich

dont let the money change u

[jovial fiber]

oh no

stop with that

[hexed cipher]

yo

[sudden stratus]

i just use it for gamepass for now

and now i have amd radeon r7 200 series

no wait i use the cpu for earning

[pure lily]

windows updates 😢

[pure lily]

leave ot on full time more money

[sudden stratus]

i only can all morning to midnight

so 17 hours i let open

[unkempt loom]

my man got the drip sheeesh

[unkempt loom]

nuh uh, we support insert pronoun walk, so should u

[gleaming shell]

walk

[naive lava]

is this even valid anymore

[upbeat shuttle]

?

[naive lava]

the ip quality thing, salad still uses ipqualityscore's data?

[upbeat shuttle]

probably

[naive lava]

sed

[unkempt loom]

definitely

i am not receving job of terabytes i use to

since the electric cut

[sudden stratus]

hi guys

[topaz dagger]

why

what have u been up to

[topaz dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/877573476259627060.gif?size=48&name=woah&quality=lossless

[naive lava]

cuz their test scores are random

[misty furnace]

🔪 london moment

[naive lava]

latitude longitude be like

[gaunt trench]

fr

im not even in london tho

so im calm

im not even near it

im in Leeds

[naive lava]

what sort of a name is tht

[gaunt trench]

im right next to buckingham palace apparently

[unkempt loom]

looks cool af

Tate Britain?

what?

bro what fr?

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-andrew-tate-memes-gif-26568000

[unkempt loom]

british Andrew Tate?!?!!?

[gaunt trench]

fr

[sudden stratus]

😎

[peak terrace]

if i got a penny for every time i got a star chef notification i would have maybe 40 pence

[knotty gazelle]

😎

[hollow vortex]

sgs sgsin

[unkempt loom]

i would have 4-8$

no cap

💀

[unkempt loom]

bri'ish moment

[topaz dagger]

its going down :(

[unkempt loom]

rip

;-;

[topaz dagger]

$5 last 24hr so ill take that ig

[unkempt loom]

💀 THAT AINT LESS

[topaz dagger]

yh i know its good

[unkempt loom]

https://tenor.com/view/free-money-money-cash-ten-pound-note-10pound-note-gif-23761898

[topaz dagger]

i wish i had higher upload tho

but idc

free money

[unkempt loom]

oh

lol

[topaz dagger]

damn

what speeds

wait nvm

bruh

that was just 1 peak

[hollow vortex]

yeah it was going at 300/300 for like 10 mins

[topaz dagger]

damn

my upload is only 150

[hollow vortex]

im 600/600 though

[topaz dagger]

nice

salad has never used like above 300mbps for me i think

[hollow vortex]

300ish is the most ive seen it use mine

[topaz dagger]

its using 200-300 right now

[hollow vortex]

wish mine was lol.

[topaz dagger]

how many hours u got?

[hollow vortex]

mine died. soooo inconsistent

[topaz dagger]

rip

[hollow vortex]

like 10k

[topaz dagger]

i got 886 but A LOT of that

was before i got my new wifi

only started again like 20 days ago

[hollow vortex]

not bad at all for bw

[topaz dagger]

yeah

i got amd gpu

so i cant do containers

[hollow vortex]

pretty good tbh. i usually tank 50 cents avg day. I was getting 1$ there for a while daily

[topaz dagger]

ripp

i was getting 0.60-1 with 300download and 37upload...

[topaz dagger]

DAMN

[hollow vortex]

yeah, usa sucks lol

[topaz dagger]

crazy

[topaz dagger]

currently?

[hollow vortex]

yeup my avg lol

[topaz dagger]

ripp

[hollow vortex]

Waiting for them to fix the 2nd gateway to book up my other laptop to run on it. usally get about 20 cents more on that gateway

[topaz dagger]

maybe u got a low reliability score idk

[hollow vortex]

just the demand is not great

[topaz dagger]

oh yh i forget i can bw on multiple devices

i got other devices but none i can run 24/7

apart from my main

[hollow vortex]

my uptime is like 98% so can't be that.

[topaz dagger]

unfortunate

do u make money from containers?

[hollow vortex]

It what it is. one day they might get more customers wanting more BW lol.

[hollow vortex]

i barely get containers cause only 6gbvram

[topaz dagger]

k

[misty furnace]

us bandwidth

[hollow vortex]

Kept getting sgs 2 this morning eh.

[misty furnace]

rip

not sure why it’s still in the backend

[hollow vortex]

me either.

Kinda stupid tbh

Taken them a really long time to fix it. I bet they arent even working on it.

almost 3 full months lol

[topaz dagger]

whats sgs2

whats wrong with sgs?

[hollow vortex]

its the US 2nd gateway

[topaz dagger]

are there several UK gateways?

[misty furnace]

like 5 or 6

[topaz dagger]

damn

r they all equal

for payment

or are some better

[misty furnace]

even if they are different, you can’t manually select them

[topaz dagger]

i know

but still

are they all equal or different?

[shrewd terrace]

why my money isn't going up?

[hollow vortex]

its one set price , there are so many gateways for customers to choose from when they want, in diff locations so they can choose one closer to them for a better ping and all etc .

[topaz dagger]

k

ty

[hollow vortex]

4 in us

[topaz dagger]

bruh y u got so many

i got 3

[misty furnace]

I have never gotten 3… is that lotus?

[topaz dagger]

lotus?

whats lotus

[misty furnace]

the gateway names

[topaz dagger]

wtf

5gb/s?

aint no way

my wifi speed isnt even near that

[misty furnace]

yeah… no

[topaz dagger]

i think glasswire just bugging

[misty furnace]

silentmonster and I use an older version with no paywalls

[hollow vortex]

no.

I had a older verson, but somehow upgraded

ehh. dont feel like lookin for an old verson for it

[misty furnace]

aight lemme note that down

[topaz dagger]

its crazy how im earning more than people with 4070 and 4070tis

[misty furnace]

fr

I’m earning a solid $3/day with a 3060 because of bandwidth

[topaz dagger]

nice

mine fluctuates as lot

days 11-13 i restarted my pc 2 times

[misty furnace]

mine is $2.80-$3.10

[topaz dagger]

but apart from that, its not that bad

[topaz dagger]

how did u get that bandwidth thing

in ur profile

[hollow vortex]

somethin he made in python

[topaz dagger]

k

[misty furnace]

made it myself, can’t share it because salad staff won’t let me

[topaz dagger]

ok

cool

[topaz dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/756087659281121312.webp?size=48&name=pepe_sad&quality=lossless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/931480550332571728.webp?size=48&name=PepeSalute&quality=lossless

[misty furnace]

all good things come to an end

[topaz dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/864433961262252042.webp?size=48&name=PepeCry&quality=lossless

[misty furnace]

hey, my good job lasted less than 30 min

[topaz dagger]

rip

mine gone down to 0.01 bruhh

DAMN

[misty furnace]

mine is almost nothing, but wsl isn't tracked there. I got around 4tb of wsl usage

also this is 14 days

yeah this is 30 day usage for download/upload

grabbed it from my router

[topaz dagger]

whats wsl

isnt that for containers

[misty furnace]

yeah

[topaz dagger]

kk

i got 7.6tb in past 7 days

BRUH

i got more than u in one day

in 24 hour

is there hope

[trim oyster]

@tough wolf

[flint galleon]

librespeed is just 💀

[misty furnace]

nuh uh

nvm yeah you right. it used to be 950/850

[sudden stratus]

i will let my pc open from all night and see how it goes

[jovial fiber]

It's funny how it looks like my earning graph

[sudden stratus]

no way...

i let all my pc stay with this and an autoclicker

i will go to sleep

[unkempt loom]

everything just starts out as a block :( what come to these blocks is the fate [i forgot a phrase, it was popular af]

i am planning to upgrade to 500 mbps

i guess i should

this is completely bw

[topaz dagger]

BRO SAVE SOME SGS FOR US MAN

[topaz dagger]

why u need an autoclicker

[topaz dagger]

bro what r u waffling on about

bro wtf do u mean 😭

[topaz dagger]

how much does it cost for u?

my 900 down and 150 up is £45 a month

[unkempt loom]

i swear it was a big ass, gud phrase

i forgor

[unkempt loom]

see 100 rupee = 1 pound

it costs me around 700 rupees for 70 mbps

but ig et 100mbps

cuz ethernet

its cheap ik

mild profit, cuz salad decreased $/gb for bandwidth sharing by a lot

[topaz dagger]

£7 a month???

[unkempt loom]

yep

[topaz dagger]

Yh, if only I had gigabit when it was higher

[unkempt loom]

man ur comparing the, breathes in, The United Kingdom Of Great Britian and Northern Ireland to a country with not much revenue for the public aka India

[unkempt loom]

i am planning

to go more expensive

[topaz dagger]

I upgraded from 300 to 900

[unkempt loom]

damn

what was the revenue difference

[topaz dagger]

And I earn 4 to 5 tines more than before

[naive lava]

0 probably