Bandwidth Sharing FAQs + Troubleshooting

[woven sage]

man you didnt even answer my question

[hollow vortex]

us bw seems to be like this on weekends

[gleaming shell]

no way thats just from bandwidth

[opal galleon]

@safe loom

What is the point of two bandwidth sharing gateways?

is it like load shifting or something

[safe loom]

yes, more gateways can support more users and clients

[opal galleon]

Which means if i keep getting the second gateway, the first one is full?

[safe loom]

well not necessarily

if you were put on the second gateway it could just be that there’s a reason like your speed or ping

i don’t know how it works since it’s not open source

[opal galleon]

I've tried around 10 times now and it's been giving me the second gateway (India) which has no traffic on it

and it'll take more than a week for the traffic to be there

[safe loom]

it’s in beta

well not even beta

testing

it’s in testing so these things are to be expected

[opal galleon]

True, yet the traffic and pay is very decent

[safe loom]

you’re not guaranteed to have constant workload flow, and the userbase isn’t even guaranteed that it will be released, i just don’t know bro

[opal galleon]

Alright man, thanks for all your help anyway!

[safe loom]

👍

[spark adder]

How do you get that?

[spark adder]

How do you know your on the second gateway

[safe loom]

i’m not exactly sure but it would likely say “Henna” and the gateway in the start of the sgs log

[opal galleon]

How can you say already?

There's no traffic on it yet.

[shrewd terrace]

can i open salad two times ? in my laptop

[shrewd terrace]

it shows that i just saw

salad made another folder for henna logs

[safe loom]

maybe you're just not getting traffic

[opal galleon]

Nah, when bandwidth came out in india, it took like 1-2 weeks for traffic to start up on it

well, the traffic on the testing gateway of india

[safe loom]

i think thats just u dawg

[shrewd terrace]

nah man static pay is same

[opal galleon]

well, was for someone

now it isn't

[opal galleon]

Nope, everyone told when they started getting traffic

and it was in like 1-2 weeks

[shrewd terrace]

yes when bandwidth first came our there was no traffic

[clever hollow]

theres no traffic at atheleas rn

i have 2 pc and 1 lap.. both are having job idk how but works like charm.

flucations do occcur

its prob ppl lying about their speed i guess

how do u guys have up and down speed exact 70/70

i habe 300down and 240 up

me too india

.

idk

but its much lower than down speed

can u share ur speed test?

down and up ?

fast.com

yes

just do ookla

ok

i ma head to sleep cya

[tardy swan]

b

[white knot]

hmmm i wanna know how is it with the earnings rn does anyone bw sharing by using starlink?

might be helpful 4 me 2 choose an isp in aus in the future

[harsh badge]

Is there a list of gateways?

[jovial fiber]

yeah in the pinned messages

here : #1021501189977813002 message

there is not India

[upbeat shuttle]

There's apparently two gateways for India atm, but I haven't been able to confirm it with the subdomain finders I've used so far

I suppose I could update that post anyways, since we've had quite a few people confirm it now

[jovial fiber]

[harsh badge]

Where in the logs or UI can you find which one you’re connected too?

For instance I always connect (so far) to 195.181.164.45 but which server is this? And is there anyway to tell which server is best?

[upbeat shuttle]

there isn't really a way to tell which gateway is 'best' other than seeing for yourself, or trusting what others have said

you can figure out which gateway salad is currently using by seeing which sgs-client salad is using

in task manager, open the file location of sgs-client.exe and you'll see which folder it's in

[white knot]

its gateway is in hk if i didnt rmb it wrong

[opal galleon]

theres traffic only on athelas

[pulsar arrow]

how are you so sure?

couldnt it just be your luck

[tardy swan]

bread

[shrewd terrace]

@naive lava do u use salad 12 hours everyday?

[clever hollow]

who doesnt

[shrewd terrace]

like he uses salad half of the day and turn it off for the other half

[upbeat shuttle]

24/7 gang 💪

[shrewd terrace]

i use 24/3

I just want to know that running 16 hours a day is better or 24 hors straight for 3 days

[upbeat shuttle]

uhh

the longer, the better

[harsh badge]

Thanks for that. I’m “SGS-0.1.8 guess this means I’m server 1?

[upbeat shuttle]

That's not the right format for the folder name - it should be something like this:

[harsh badge]

No clue 😂😂

[upbeat shuttle]

ah yeah that's be the 1st gateway

it just doesn't say 1 because it was the first

[harsh badge]

Ah makes sense

Yeah I always get that one anyways 😊

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm pretty sure that's the best for the UK anyways :)

[fierce jackal]

when will india get propper bandwidth server

people say its still a test country

???

[upbeat shuttle]

no idea

[shrewd terrace]

where is dino king i want to know how much he earns

per week

[upbeat shuttle]

and it's not that it isn't a proper gateway - it's just not ready yet, in Salad's eyes, to be released

[shrewd terrace]

staic pay from last 3 days :((

[naive lava]

hmm no

[naive lava]

upto 3 dollars/day

[shrewd terrace]

u use 24 hours?

how much u use

[naive lava]

no like 6-8 hrs per day

[shrewd terrace]

wtf?

how u earn 3 usd then?

[naive lava]

..

[shrewd terrace]

u get instant bandwidth job?

[naive lava]

i get a job

i earn

[shrewd terrace]

u have rtx 3060?

[naive lava]

do u think u need 3060 for bw sharing job???

[shrewd terrace]

nah

i mean container

[naive lava]

many times yes

more often it takes upto an hr

and if my luck is bad, I wouldn't receive any jobs

[shrewd terrace]

i didnt got from 3 days a job

[naive lava]

[shrewd terrace]

so should i use 16 hours a day or 24 hours straight for 3 days

[naive lava]

check if u even crossed 10 mbps and got gud ping in the logs

[shrewd terrace]

100 mbps and 150 ms

no way to get less than 130

even with ethernet

[naive lava]

pretty good

[peak terrace]

@still tendon i saw you have community fibre. Have you gotten it to work with bandwidth sharing? All my friends who have it have had zero luck with bandwidth sharing on community fibre, and it said it wasn't available in their country. I'm just curious about your experience with it.

[shrewd terrace]

so?

give a chouice

[naive lava]

u ran it 24/7?

[shrewd terrace]

yes

3 days

[naive lava]

btw u aren't always guaranteed bw sharing jobs in india since it's still in testing rn

[shrewd terrace]

Yeah

So the thing I want to know

[naive lava]

so ye

[robust creek]

exists multiple gateways because so you can put multiple devices earning?

[upbeat shuttle]

mmm

[naive lava]

24/7 better always

[upbeat shuttle]

well they exist because there are multiple customers for that country, or just because the customer wants additional gateways

[shrewd terrace]

Okay

[robust creek]

so is not against tos use both gateways with 1 ip ok

both i mean the ones your country has

[shrewd terrace]

But u earn a lot from using 8 hours a day

[upbeat shuttle]

You're welcome to run Salad on as many devices as you want - as long as you own them / have permission to use them, ofc

[naive lava]

yessir

[shrewd terrace]

which gateway u have

[still tendon]

it works just fine

i have the 500mb/s plan and it gives the speed expected and it gives bandwidth sharing jobs

[peak terrace]

this is very good

thank you for the response

[naive lava]

idk how to check

[peak terrace]

in the salad logs it says

like for example Bandwidth-SGS-UK folder is gateway 1

Bandwidth-SGS-UK-2 is gateway 2

etc

the folder name is the gateway

[shrewd terrace]

what folder is it

2 ?

2 is henna

the one with no number is athleas

[naive lava]

i don't know how to check

do u know how to?

[shrewd terrace]

open logs folder

there u will see

[upbeat shuttle]

english

[naive lava]

then?

[shrewd terrace]

Bandwidth sgs IN 2 is the new gateway if that exist that means u have the new gateway ig

[naive lava]

uh

i mean how do u check which exact gateway u have?

[frigid reef]

says at the top of the log

[naive lava]

i c tks

oh i have athelas

[naive lava]

nope i don't have the second folder

[scarlet ravine]

Today UK traffic dead for me, you guys have traffic or not?

[frigid reef]

good for me

[gleaming shell]

man

[little saffron]

show graph

[little saffron]

wich speeds again

[frigid reef]

[little saffron]

bro got so gud earnings

[frigid reef]

i think around 110mbps upload

[little saffron]

[gleaming shell]

man

also <t:1691508600:R>

[tardy swan]

wrong

it's in 8 years

[little saffron]

wat?

[gleaming shell]

new internet

[gleaming shell]

d

[little saffron]

i will steal all your jobs

[shrewd terrace]

imagine it get delayed again

[little saffron]

HHAHAHAH

[shrewd terrace]

too bad tincan already did that

[gleaming shell]

i will raid the nearest building

bru i feel like tincan is the only person in the us that actually earns a good amount from bandwidth

and this one other person

i forgor

[little saffron]

not in uk

[shrewd terrace]

just get 2000/2000 to beat him /s

[gleaming shell]

dosent this person in the us (not tincan) have like 5 gig?

[shrewd terrace]

get 8 gig

[gleaming shell]

real

[pulsar arrow]

77terra biscuits

75

[gleaming shell]

man

[shrewd terrace]

Then u have athleas

[safe loom]

*Henna is the new gateway

henna can be in the main folder

you only get a new folder when connecting to a different gateway

[gleaming shell]

why are there multiple gateways

like the us has4

[shrewd terrace]

How to check in which gateway we are ? Someone answer

[shrewd terrace]

go to your logs folder and find the folder starting with “Bandwidth-SGS”
click on the latest log and the gateway should listed at the top of the log

[shrewd terrace]

That folder is not there

And whenever I get a good speed in the test my salad automatically stops after few mins and auto start does not work

Few days ago I lost my job idk why and from that time I am not getting a job

@shrewd terrace

And I tried reinstalling salad but it will just stop for no reason I am not getting a job for that reason

[shrewd terrace]

when you uninstalled salad the logs got deleted

so you will have to wait for a new bandwidth job

[shrewd terrace]

Hmmm

[shrewd terrace]

@shrewd terrace

The salad stopped do I have to restart saladbowl again for new test or will it go with the old test @shrewd terrace

Bcz it did not do a new speed test

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell

[gleaming shell]

It will go with your old test I think

[shrewd terrace]

You sure ?

[gleaming shell]

I haven't got sgs in a while so I can't be completely sure
But if you want to be safe you could restart salad bowl or your pc

So you get a new speedtest

[shrewd terrace]

I finally got a good speed test

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell

[gleaming shell]

Do you manually start salad?

Or does auto start do ut

It*

[shrewd terrace]

No

But I continue restart saladbowl to get good speed

And auto start does not work

It starts but when I get a good speed it stops after few minutes

And auto start does not work

[gleaming shell]

Huh never seen that auto start issue before

[shrewd terrace]

Umm

It happens

[gleaming shell]

From what I know, If salad pauses and you start it again, it will go with your latest speedtest
But I'm not sure about the auto start thing though

Also auto start is useless at the moment
Bc it can take a while to get a job

@shrewd terrace can you help him out for the auto start shit

I think he's passed out bru

[shrewd terrace]

Ok I am just gonna wait

[shrewd terrace]

Hm

@gleaming shell how much time for afk earning ?

[shrewd terrace]

Lol

[gleaming shell]

wha
Are you talking about how long it takes to get a bandwidth job?

[shrewd terrace]

Aren’t afk earning different from jobs

In afk we get around 0.36 a day ig

[gleaming shell]

Do you have your GPU enabled?

[shrewd terrace]

No

[gleaming shell]

Huh

[shrewd terrace]

I used to get bandwidth afk too

@gleaming shell

[gleaming shell]

I never gotten bandwidth from being afk

[shrewd terrace]

Hmmmm

[gleaming shell]

It always takes me several days to weeks

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell how much time should I wait before restarting salad and to check if it goes with the old logs

[shrewd terrace]

Daam

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell

[gleaming shell]

I think as long as you don't restart salad bowl service it will keep going with your old logs

But if you want to be safe you could restart your PC
But that will risk a bad speedtest

[shrewd terrace]

But there’s no way we can check and idk why my salad stops when I get good speed test

[shrewd terrace]

That’s the main problems

[gleaming shell]

bru salad and it's buggy ass app

[shrewd terrace]

Tru

@upbeat shuttle

[gleaming shell]

I think one of the community support assistants would be more help than I am as I don't use auto start and I havent gotten sgs client in a while plus I got a bad speedtest

(also I suck at giving out support lol)

[shrewd terrace]

Ummmm ok Ty for your suggestion

[shrewd terrace]

no you don’t

[gleaming shell]

I tried i guess

[shrewd terrace]

Yea I am saying you don’t suck at giving suppor

^ support

[gleaming shell]

ty

Bru salad should bring back the option to disable auto start

For the ppl who dont use it

[shrewd terrace]

Lol

@gleaming shell wth I can change the title of this thread 💀

[gleaming shell]

Wait what you can?

[upbeat shuttle]

?

[shrewd terrace]

Yes

[shrewd terrace]

Help

[upbeat shuttle]

with?

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle

[gleaming shell]

I think his auto start is broken and his salad just, stops

Wait lemme read the messages again

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell should I try ? 💀

[gleaming shell]

With the mods permission I guess

[upbeat shuttle]

you can't lol

[shrewd terrace]

💀💀💀why even give the perm

[shrewd terrace]

Should I try it’s showing me

[gleaming shell]

It's grayed out for me

[shrewd terrace]

Ig a dc glitch

[upbeat shuttle]

probably

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle should I close wmi provider in task manager?

It looks suspicious idk what that is

[gleaming shell]

no
I also have it
I think it's a windows process?

Lemme check

[shrewd terrace]

Hm ok

And windows subsystem for Linux @gleaming shell

@upbeat shuttle any idea for fixing it will it read the old log or should I test again ?

[gleaming shell]

I think you need that for containers on salad

[shrewd terrace]

Ok

@upbeat shuttle and I am not getting bw afk earning anymore

[upbeat shuttle]

It doesn't exactly read the logs, but yeah the latest log will be the data that it uses

what country and speeds?

[gleaming shell]

bruh you word it out way better than me

[shrewd terrace]

It stopped randomly when I checked I started it then and checked the logs folder there were no new logs

[shrewd terrace]

India

[upbeat shuttle]

i am in missouri

utter pain

[shrewd terrace]

Daam

[upbeat shuttle]

Bandwidth Sharing jobs aren't guaranteed, especially in countries that are still in testing (Like India)

[shrewd terrace]

Is bw speed good there ? @upbeat shuttle I guess not 💀

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking

[shrewd terrace]

[gleaming shell]

I mean the bandwidth demand is better than the US I think (if you're asking about demand)
At least from what I'm seeing ppl in India earn more than ppl in the us

I could be wrong tho

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle I am asking that

I finally got good speed test after restarting saladbowl million times

And when I came back after 10 mins

The salad was stopped

So

Will it see the old speed test

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah

[shrewd terrace]

As I can’t find a new one there

[gleaming shell]

yeah

[upbeat shuttle]

as long as saladbowl wasn't what was restarted

[gleaming shell]

Salad only takes a new speedtest if you restart salad bowl or your pc

[upbeat shuttle]

you can restart the salad app many times

[shrewd terrace]

I restarted saladbowl only

To get good speed test

But after getting it salad stopped and I turned it on again

And it did not conduct a new speed test

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle

[gleaming shell]

It should be using your latest speed test

[shrewd terrace]

Umm means the old one 💀💀

[shrewd terrace]

Ummm

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell

[gleaming shell]

One sec imma attempt to word it out better

[shrewd terrace]

Ok good luck

[gleaming shell]

BRU IM LOSING BRAIN CELLS TRYING TI WORD IT OUT

ok

So

[shrewd terrace]

So ?

….

[gleaming shell]

Bru I sucks at wording things out I'll probs make it even more confusing lo

[shrewd terrace]

Do it

[gleaming shell]

If salad stops and you start it again, it won't create a new speedtest, it will continue to use your old one
It only creates a new speedtest if you restart salad bowl

I think I worded it out correctly?

[upbeat shuttle]

Salad paused? fine
Salad app quit? fine
Saladbowl restarted? not fine. new test.

[shrewd terrace]

Ok

[shrewd terrace]

Yea a lot better

[shrewd terrace]

Ok

@upbeat shuttle what happened to afk earning?

On bw

[upbeat shuttle]

wdym?

[gleaming shell]

I've never heard of afk earning before

your sgs client might have just so happened to start when you're afk?

Maybe?

[shrewd terrace]

Like we used to get earning even when we did not have a job

Like it was 0.36 ig

[shrewd terrace]

No it’s something else

[shrewd terrace]

@gleaming shell

[gleaming shell]

Huh I've never gotten that before

You said you have GPU disabled too

[upbeat shuttle]

oh the static pay that some people / countries have?

we still don't really know much about it, but don't count on it being around forever

it was assumedly just there to incentivise people to actually run bandwidth sharing, and for longer

[gleaming shell]

was the "afk earnings" consistent or was it spiky

[upbeat shuttle]

once salad gets enough consistent users in a country, that pay can decrease, or disappear

[gleaming shell]

NOOOO WE CANT LOSE STATIC PAY

[shrewd terrace]

Consistent

[shrewd terrace]

Yea

[gleaming shell]

huh

[shrewd terrace]

Ooof

[shrewd terrace]

Just make the users disappear 💀

[shrewd terrace]

Yea

[jovial fiber]

kind of

they use regex although librespeed-cli has a -json option

[harsh badge]

From what I’ve seen salad only ever runs a new speed test when the PC starts? Ie I’ve paused, closed, reopened and restarted multiple times and never get a new SpeedTest log unless I restart “saladbowl service” or my laptop,

[jovial fiber]

yes, and restarting salad bowl will take a new speed test that's correct 👍

[opal galleon]

I am 100% sure there's no traffic

theres atleast 1 host that connects in like an hour or two

Even if it takes a byte of data

[pulsar arrow]

I think that's just the VPN user connecting to a website

thats what you see as an IP address

[opal galleon]

not a big demand for vpns in india

but like a different ip address

connects in 2 hours

currently either akamai or cloudfront

[glossy torrent]

stop crying and typing in caps

bruh

u spend so much on electricity if you know you know

just set a different gateway

[tardy swan]

THREE HUNDRED YOTTABYTES

[shrewd terrace]

Yes

[latent dragon]

yes in india

[latent dragon]

but my editing skills are better then mining

[naive lava]

yes

[weak river]

yes after this gateway came out we are not getting sgs-client, before we used to get athelas gateway and sgs always pops up within 5 min, but after this gateway came out we are only getting sgs on that gateway, we are not getting athelas gateway, and it's very hard to get henna gateway

is there any way we can fore gateway? just like forcing server in ndm workload definitions?

[naive lava]

uh u sure it's cuz of the henna gateway tht u arent earning?

[weak river]

yes, because we are not getting athelas gateway anymore, like jio users are getting both athelas and henna gateway, but we are only getting henna gateway

[clever hollow]

same here no sgs client and its been like 12hours rn

[naive lava]

ehm

[weak river]

before jio users were not getting sgs client

[naive lava]

have u tried considering other factors like your afk time, speeds, etc?

[weak river]

yep

[naive lava]

are u damn sure it's the henna gateway

that's causing this

no bw sharing jobs

[clever hollow]

even if it is henna no way u can do anything about it

[naive lava]

i mean yeh

tho im still confirming

[naive lava]

this

[weak river]

that's the problem, I have contacted support and I have shared every possible info to them, let's see what they say

[clever hollow]

Waiting*

[naive lava]

@upbeat shuttle is this true

[naive lava]

^

[weak river]

like I have asked my other friends too, and they arey getting sgs only on henna gateway, but when I asked jio users they are getting sgs on both servers

[upbeat shuttle]

what

[weak river]

they all have different isp, some have airtel, some have alliance, act, net something I don't remember

[upbeat shuttle]

no

[weak river]

ok

[upbeat shuttle]

good idea

[shrewd terrace]

Hm

@upbeat shuttle it was gateaway issue

[weak river]

so you also don't know anything about it?

[upbeat shuttle]

indeed

[shrewd terrace]

Hm

[weak river]

okay

[clever hollow]

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle if not you then whom to contact?

[upbeat shuttle]

well Aditya's already contacted official support

[shrewd terrace]

Um ok but there's no chance that they will respond

[upbeat shuttle]

huh

they'll respond

[gleaming rover]

they have to

[peak terrace]

it kinda just died for me yeah

[shrewd terrace]

Um i heard users saying the don't respond

[shrewd terrace]

i am getting any gateway randomly

[shrewd terrace]

Daam my graph is empty

[upbeat shuttle]

What's the point in Salad support existing if they don't reply to people?

[shrewd terrace]

sometimes henna crash and i get atleash

[gleaming rover]

they can say u that they dont give a shit but they do respond

[shrewd terrace]

[shrewd terrace]

Ummm ok

[gleaming rover]

i have also cantacted les see

[upbeat shuttle]

bruh

[peak terrace]

eat salad support alive

[gleaming rover]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[weak river]

yup you told me that, but I have asked all of my friends who got sgs after it suddenly disappeared, they all told they got sgs on henna gateway, same with me, I got sgs yesterday and it was on henna gateway

[shrewd terrace]

i also got henna for like 16 hours after that i restarted salad then

i got athleas again

and now i have nothing

[weak river]

I want to make sure 1 thing, did your ip changed or something?

[shrewd terrace]

nah

[gleaming rover]

how do you force server in ndm workload definitions?

[shrewd terrace]

salad is actually broken for us

[naive lava]

it's against the tos ykyk

[shrewd terrace]

bandwidtj

[naive lava]

editing salad files

[gleaming rover]

how do u do that explain me from scratch i dont know about that

and also what happens if we force

like why people force

what's the motive

[naive lava]

nothing salad just uses that specific server then

[shrewd terrace]

@upbeat shuttle why even add a new gateaway ?

[naive lava]

to use the best server for them only

[gleaming rover]

oh i wanna know how to do it

[naive lava]

uh editing salad files is technically against the salad tos

so..

[upbeat shuttle]

Probably for a new customer, or if an existing customer wanted another gateway

[shrewd terrace]

Oof

[shrewd terrace]

@weak river here's your answer

[weak river]

💀

[upbeat shuttle]

that.. doesn't answer this issue

[shrewd terrace]

if it is new then it is good

[shrewd terrace]

Xd

[upbeat shuttle]

not necessarily

[weak river]

yea, but most of us stopped getting athelas gateway after that

[shrewd terrace]

yeah

[safe loom]

i think they’re confused about someone wanting to ask about clients/jobs from the team and i said “i could ask but they probably won’t be able to respond”

[zealous arch]

How do you get a bandwidth Job?

[upbeat shuttle]

"might be worth checking out the pinned posts"

sorry, I'll correct myself

It is worth checking out the pinned posts

[shrewd terrace]

i did the sleep

[little saffron]

does jitter mind salad ?

[upbeat shuttle]

it's something that NDM reports, so maybe

[little saffron]

[opal galleon]

no athelas for us anymore either

[weak river]

[opal galleon]

My good ndm log is gone lol, no more sgs for another 3 months until salad does anything

[weak river]

how much speed you're getting?

[opal galleon]

it's not the speed, it's the ip I should get and the server I should get

ip should be of India and server needs to be virginia

[harsh badge]

You can manually select which server you want it to pick

How to force librespeed cli to use the server that works the best for you :
1 ) Go to https://librespeed.org/ and try different server, find the one where you get better speeds
2 ) Go to https://librespeed.org/backend-servers/servers.php and with the country, city and provider find the id associated to your server
3 ) Go in the salad workload-definitions folder on your pc ([Drive]:\ProgramData\Salad\workload-definitions) and open ndm.yaml with notepad, find the line : args: "--ipv4" and add --server with the id
You get something like : "--ipv4 --server 49" for id 49.
4 ) Save the file, if you have permission problem save it to another name (like ndm1.yaml), delete the old one, and rerename your new file to ndm.yaml.

[safe loom]

or you could use —upload-size 1000 since that fix doesn’t actually fix anything

the issue is within the librespeed-cli app, not the servers

[hollow vortex]

Or not modify the file , which is against the tos

[shrewd terrace]

what else do you recommend then?

[gleaming shell]

@hollow vortex are your librespeed test results just fine?

[tardy swan]

ggez

[jovial fiber]

it actually fix things

some servers just never work even if it's not a server issue, i never had an issue with speedtest since i changed server

[harsh badge]

I thought manually selecting servers was fine? As long as you don’t “fiddle” the results?

Ie my results are genuine but I selected my own server… it was going to a USA server…. I’m in the uk…. I don’t see how it can be our (node runners) fault that salad fails to implement a proper speed test and instead uses test servers that aren’t accurate at all.

[civic fern]

nope, apparently it is still against tos

which is extremely stupid

since servers in italy just don't work

and i have to go either for frankfurt or netherlands

[harsh badge]

Stupid*

[civic fern]

so I'M forced to do it, if i want to use bandwidth sharing

[harsh badge]

That’s not very clever..

[civic fern]

something that is available in my country, btw

[pulsar arrow]

funny how I've never gotten us servers by default

[harsh badge]

I don’t see any issue with selecting your own server… makes literally no sense

[pulsar arrow]

straight up London or Nottingham

and the latter is ass

[harsh badge]

I go to librespeed website and this is auto selected…

[civic fern]

Meanwhile Rome and Bologna both such ass

they glitch out during upload

[harsh badge]

I have no clue why I’m being defaulted to the USA

[pulsar arrow]

Nottingham gets my speeds down to 3mbit

[harsh badge]

I think my IP may have previously been registered in the USA and purchased by my ISP then registered in the uk…

A couple of sites have thought I was in the us before

But ping to Virginia is 110ms 😂

[jovial fiber]

that's just librespeed selecting virginia ass server to everyone lmao

[harsh badge]

We’ll probably 😂😂

[tardy swan]

literally anywhere in the world you get that server

i get it all the way up in norway

[harsh badge]

“Selecting server based on ping” are you now? 😂😂

[tardy swan]

oh nice

i didnt get virginia

still running this job thats incredible

[harsh badge]

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t, it’s literally random 😂😂 then combine that with the random speed test result… I reset my laptop a few times,…… but hey it’s free ££ so no complaints from me

[tardy swan]

(i mean you can force librespeed to use a specific server every single time)

[harsh badge]

Yea I know but apparently it’s against the ToS?

[jovial fiber]

yeah

[upbeat shuttle]

iirc it isn't..

All I've ever said is that it's in the grey area of being allowed / fine

I don't have the time today, but I can read through the TOS again tomorrow just to put an end to this debate

[jovial fiber]

i mean the eula state "modifying file"

the only thing i found is
"attempt to decipher, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the Site, the App, or the software used to provide the Service; "

[upbeat shuttle]

hmm

[shrewd terrace]

I didn't got sgs from last12 hours

That is the longest time I ever waited

[safe loom]

it’s not

it would be if you were trying to spoof the result like saying you have 10gb when you have 500mb

[shrewd terrace]

We also get that in India but it has the lowest ping even lower than frankfurt or Nuremberg

[civic fern]

Tfw salad no open source

[safe loom]

i assume this is based on security

not as in users tinkering

so that they’re covered if some nerd reverse engineers sgs or sce to give them more earnings

changing your server or upload size is fine because it’s not faking your speed, it’s more accurately testing it

i’ll fight anyone at salad if they ban users for tinkering with workloads that don’t directly break security

[civic fern]

Wym changing upload size?

I'm all ears if it can help me somehow

[civic fern]

Their first mistake was to create a .yaml for such things, since it is specifically meant to be more human-readable than .json

[upbeat shuttle]

or rather, making it viewable at all

we should really stop discussing this kinda stuff though

[safe loom]

using —upload-size value to change the length/size of file the app tests

[upbeat shuttle]

it'll only ever lead to them locking things down more and making actually good workarounds no longer possible

[safe loom]

upload size seems to get it on point everytime

i sent the thing to ericka and she just wanted to know if it caused errors on the sgs backend

not that we shouldn’t do it

also

[gleaming shell]

I set my upload size value to 1 million lol
It fixed the Virginia shit upload problem tho

[safe loom]

you can see salad employees thoughts of working there if you go on Salad Technologies Glassdoor

there’s a review from Jared, max, i think infinity even 💀

[gleaming shell]

With the librespeed cli separately
Not the one for salad

[upbeat shuttle]

[safe loom]

the value is in kb

so set it to 1000 and it’s good

[civic fern]

I wonder if that's what breaks italian servers...

I'll have to do actual testing on that

[upbeat shuttle]

cyph if they move the yaml's to somewhere actually hidden then i'm going to torch your house (in a videogame)

[safe loom]

ok then i’ll leak the source code wtf

💀

imma be salads #1 enemy for the lads

[civic fern]

Salad developers don't read this chat right?

[upbeat shuttle]

they absolutely could

it's basically another channel at this point

[safe loom]

they can, they could, they’re too lazy

[upbeat shuttle]

and it's solely about bandwidth sharing, so their bandwidth sharing dev(s) may likely check in sometimes

[civic fern]

I doubt that they read the entire chat though

My opinion

[safe loom]

come on, the biggest update they’ve done recently is moving sgs-client to be a service of the salad bootstrapper

[upbeat shuttle]

if they check in and see someone casually talking about modifying some of salad's files, that's gonna set off alarm bells

[safe loom]

they can cope 😊

[upbeat shuttle]

you can cope once your workaround no longer works

[gleaming shell]

Earlier today my workloads was in the salad bowl service thing
And now everything including salad bowl service is int eh salad bootstrapper

[safe loom]

if they fix the problems that a large majority of their users are reporting they wouldn’t need to circumvent and prevent people from fixing it themselves

[upbeat shuttle]

too far

[civic fern]

LOL

[gleaming shell]

d

[safe loom]

they don’t checksum their workloads

[civic fern]

I had tried to do something like that no cap

[upbeat shuttle]

I want to stop public discussion of this stuff entirely at this point

[civic fern]

True

[safe loom]

public information

we can move chats if you want

[upbeat shuttle]

I'll make your death certificate public information

[safe loom]

death certificates are public

[upbeat shuttle]

Move discussion of this stuff to DMs or whatever if you still want nice things

This is just like what happened with vast

[safe loom]

salads security is garbage and they should open source the app again so the community can fix the things they won’t on jeebus himself

[safe loom]

except vast was directly affecting salad negatively

[upbeat shuttle]

Indeed

[gleaming shell]

what's vast

[safe loom]

vast.ai

you can rent gpus from users (like sce) and you get ssh to them, during 2x events we would hire a shit ton of 30series cards and mine on them

[upbeat shuttle]

If you don't want actually decent workarounds to become impossible, stop talking about them publicly

[safe loom]

you can’t do it anymore because salad capped 2x to like 8$ and it’s against tos on vast now

[upbeat shuttle]

oh vast actually made that stuff against their TOS?

[safe loom]

yeah

cryptomining

[upbeat shuttle]

lmao

pretty dumb

[safe loom]

i think it’s complaint of the users who own the gpus rather than vast themselves

but as everyone here knows, cryptomining doesn’t damage a card more than gaming does

[upbeat shuttle]

they're complaining that their hardware is being used on a hardware sharing platform? 😱

[safe loom]

[upbeat shuttle]

I doubt they're that dumb to think that crypto mining damages hardware any more than the other workloads that actually load the CPU, RAM, and GPU 💀

vast requires a certain level of knowledge in order to even set it up

[safe loom]

cryptominer damage believers when they find out about chia

[gleaming shell]

lo I got my new internet installed today and now I'm seeing ads for my old shitty isp

[safe loom]

it’s not like they weren’t making decent money from it too, without the 2x it wasn’t profitable

[gleaming shell]

(the upload speed is probs like 20 on a good day)

(1.5tb data cap)

[safe loom]

data cap cringe

[gleaming shell]

shit should be illegal

but too bad not illegal in the us

[safe loom]

it’s been 8 days and my house has used 3.6tb

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah their rates were always higher than mining earnings from those cards

[gleaming shell]

emoji fail

[safe loom]

i have emojis again

lovely

as in the back end or client side?

basically the same as sce iirc

apart from the being a vetted company

the same as salad container engine if i recall correctly

as in they send their workload info, salad checks it, approved it, it’s released on the network

they probably have a drop down or smth for regions they want their workloads to run in

like how container jobs select which gpus they want

like a drop down menu

no they choose what they want on the drop down menu, that’s why it’s a drop down menu

[upbeat shuttle]

you can't

they don't

[safe loom]

yeah to change how the workload info is sent to salad you’d have to be the client yourself or have some insane backdoor into saladcloud

[upbeat shuttle]

no, you are getting nowhere

just wait for salad to figure itself out with its india gateways like everyone else

[safe loom]

i personally don’t even know how the sgs portal works because portal.salad.com is containers only

[upbeat shuttle]

huh

just be patient

[safe loom]

india is in testing

[upbeat shuttle]

nothing you do can change anything, from what I've heard from everyone facing this issue

[gleaming shell]

Patience: something I don't have

Or have very little of

[safe loom]

india is in testing so it will be based on a clients demand (assuming they’re a large company) and not just salad thinking “let’s add india to our regional proxies”

yes

it’s client side for SCE

for containers

sce accepts individuals not just companies

sgs only accepts companies iirc

portal.salad.con is where container workloads are deployed by clients

[upbeat shuttle]

don't bother..

[safe loom]

i have access to sce, i can just tell you what you want to know

[gleaming shell]

Emoji fail again

[safe loom]

i’m uhh, not gonna do that, 1 i’m on mobile, 2 i have workloads in there that i don’t want to share

[gleaming shell]

d

[safe loom]

basically just imagine, you click a button, you send container info, select how many threads you want, how much ram, which gpu, then send it for approval, once approved you get a few buttons to access the container, change nodes, stop the container deployment etc

really

do you reckon

the fact it’s a business model and plastered all over salad.com

do you reckon you have to pay for the resources you want

[shrewd terrace]

how to get sgs

i cant get it

some time before u were not able to get sgs now ur getting it easily :(((

36 cent is good

its 2.5 do;llar a week

[little saffron]

per day much better

[shrewd terrace]

Ik

[safe loom]

it dos kinda

it connects to the gateway

then the hard work is done back end

to make it more secure

[jovial fiber]

does anyone have an idea of how much time is needed to "repair" our trust rating

[reef linden]

when will bw sharing germany get customers?

[jovial fiber]

i'm at 0 currently

but it should change soon ,-,

there is

https://salad.com/security

read that

in other words i'm screwed

my score is probably negative at this point

because uh

can't say it

just restarting too much

no

why should i

bruh

bruh

so you get more workloads uh

what

that's impossible

do you think you can run gta5 on a calculator just because you have faked the specs of the calculator ?

yeah

no

[reef linden]

nope, because 3050 Ti sucks compared to 3060 Ti

and the 3060 Ti is almost 3x faster (196% faster)

[shrewd terrace]

Enough for me

[upbeat shuttle]

The 'trust score' for container workloads is probably a bit different to the one for bandwidth sharing

[manic nest]

3050 ti is a laptop gpu

[reef linden]

i know

[hollow vortex]

They pass the tests. All that matters at this point - usually within 100mbps up/down of my actual speeds.

[hollow vortex]

Mod any file that comes with salad is against the tos - weather or not that specific program is open source - don't understand the unclarity of it.

[hollow vortex]

Decipher " key word " pretty much means they don't want you to open any of there files to read them . Understand them -

[naive lava]

bruh i can't say tht

what is with that smirk 💀

[harsh badge]

How would you set the file size for speed testing? In argos? Ie —upload 1000 and download—1000?

[jovial fiber]

you can't

but you can use --duration <nbofsec>

[hollow vortex]

Not sure why moderators don't do shit about ^^^ talking about how to break tos and what not.

[civic fern]

Because it's on the verge of breaking tos

[tardy swan]

its in a gray area

[civic fern]

Instead of crying about everything, call a moderator yourself

[hollow vortex]

No it's not lol it clearly states " decipher " in the tos . Which means what? Google that if you do not know what that means .

[tardy swan]

why are you so pressed

it's their fault if they get banned or not

[civic fern]

^

[civic fern]

Yup

[hollow vortex]

But continue to talk about it - which is what a discord rule ?

[tardy swan]

which rule

[pulsar arrow]

US Constitution Line 4674

[tardy swan]

leon

im gonna send you the "jefferson's manual and rules of the house of representatives"

[pulsar arrow]

did Jefferson agree

76 terrabombs

[opal galleon]

I was about to make a joke but I had to control

[pulsar arrow]

do it

you only got one life

[shrewd terrace]

can i use multiseat to conver my laptop into 2 and use 2 sgs? from both gateways?

[upbeat shuttle]

It's against Salad's TOS to do that

[peak terrace]

did i send an image

i forgot

i think it got deleted

[opal galleon]

I've also only got one discord account

[pulsar arrow]

real

[shrewd terrace]

why?

india has 2 gateways

everybody is using 2 devices

i xan convery my device into 2

[upbeat shuttle]

Because you're falsely stating the amount of resources that Salad actually has available to it

[shrewd terrace]

wdym

[upbeat shuttle]

namely that the speed test ran will indicate it has x bandwidth available to it, but it's actually x/2, if both devices were to receive bandwidth sharing jobs

[clever hollow]

what if i habe two routers?

[upbeat shuttle]

huh

[shrewd terrace]

so i can use 2 differnet devices but cant convert 1 device into 2

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah basically

[peak terrace]

phew im safe

[upbeat shuttle]

though I doubt you'd even be able to do that anyways, since bandwidth sharing doesn't work in a virtualised environment; a vm

[peak terrace]

i got sgs-client to run forcibly under windows xp

didn't do much bandwidth sharing though

but it ran

[upbeat shuttle]

man

i assume you just ran the exe itself

[peak terrace]

yes

with command prompt

[upbeat shuttle]

heh

gotta love windows' backwards / forwards compatibility

[peak terrace]

and using all the arguments the log on my pc was showing

haha i love bruteforcing it to work

is this even allowed?

[upbeat shuttle]

0 throughput

[peak terrace]

probably not

yes

it needs a job

i noticed

[upbeat shuttle]

I don't think I've ever seen people running it manually actually get jobs

[peak terrace]

i will let it run for a bit

see what happens

salad is running in the background and the speedtest is at like 26mbps upload so it should work

well

"should", i don't think it will

maybe I get an extra $0.0045 per 15 mins

the base earning

[shrewd terrace]

Nothing is virtualised in multiseat ig

It just divides your cores

[opal galleon]

how did you do this lol

[peak terrace]

batch file

it worked not

i think because my laptop went to sleep

[opal galleon]

bro got tired

[shrewd terrace]

i am not getting sgs still

[hollow vortex]

Multi seating isn't anything virtual , it allows you to use your current physical hardware x2 or x3 if can handle it.

[harsh badge]

That’s erroneous too though? Using librespeed’s test servers (not meant for actual speed tests) to measure a clients bandwidth makes no sense. Max sped test I’ve seen is around 600meg (down) 550(up) but typically they’re around 300-400meg. My line can handle 1gig so technically I could run 2 machines maxing out libre speed test…. Since you know, it isn’t actually a speed test

And I’ve probably been over loading there servers for a good 1hr+ to get a speed result in happy with… (I managed 480/430 this time with 12ms ping) but it’s all over the place…

[hollow vortex]

What? They measure ur speed to see if you can handle the streaming quality - above 10mpbs both ways ping and jitter. To ensure customers get decent streaming rate

Lib speed maxes my 1 gig dl . Usually in the 900s last I even ran it.

[harsh badge]

But they based jobs you’re eligible for off your speed, ie I’ll get (I’ve tested) more jobs with a SpeedTest of 450meg than I will at 250meg

[hollow vortex]

Maybe but not confirmed they rolled that out

Don't forget clients can change nodes if they want faster . Or better or just cause they don't like ur connection

[harsh badge]

Well so far with testing it’s accurate. Ie my speed test for past 4 days was 230meg, my speed test for the previous 2 weeks was 470meg…. Guess which one earned vastly more…

480 meg achieved a maximum 15 min profit of 31.2p

220meg managed 17.8p

I know it depends on the load which can go up and down but I’ve had it back at 400+ for a couple hours and the earnings have skyrocketed…

Don’t know how you achieve 1gb with libre what server? I get 900meg with some severs in the eu, random from London, 950down and random up from Nottingham, 920 down and about 500up to Virginia USA,

I’ve done lots of testing….

€90 earned in 2.3 weeks…

[tardy swan]

what the hell

31 cents in 15 minutes?

[harsh badge]

Yes

[tardy swan]

thats insane

[jovial fiber]

why not on windows 10

[harsh badge]

Yeah it’s pretty decent, that’s why I’ve taken interest in the inner workings of it. Not that there’s much information out there but a higher SpeedTest definitely seems to yield more throughout. Over a 24 hour period I averaged 87mbps,

[tardy swan]

what are your internet speeds?

[harsh badge]

Gigabit symmetrical

[clever hollow]

dudes beating elon

[tardy swan]

ah nice

the highest i've seen with those speeds (i think) was 45ish cents in 15 minutes

[jovial fiber]

wtf

that's broken

[shrewd terrace]

So can salad work that way?

[harsh badge]

Wouldn’t mind that 😂 if only those damn libre servers didn’t hate me!

[jovial fiber]

maybe it will detect it

try if you want to know

[tardy swan]

right here

[shrewd terrace]

I don't wanna get banned mN

[jovial fiber]

my total earnings in 24h

[jovial fiber]

bruh, so you want others to be banned for you

[harsh badge]

Highest I’ve seen is $14.72 in 24 hours

Earned*

[shrewd terrace]

Nah I am asking for advice

[tardy swan]

someone made (i think) 300ish in 24 hours

which is a crazy amount

[jovial fiber]

my advice is to not do it

[harsh badge]

That would be good, lots more boxes now though so probably getting tougher

Nodes* not boxes

[tardy swan]

yeah but this was mining

[harsh badge]

Oh wow eh

😂😂😂

[jovial fiber]

that was when mining was profitable i think

ah

[tardy swan]

yup

[shrewd terrace]

Ok not taking any risks

[tardy swan]

i cant find the image

50 3090's

[jovial fiber]

bruh

but

you have 260$ but 200$ of electricity or renting

so

[tardy swan]

it was profitable back then

[hollow vortex]

Not sure , sinse they have a watchdog - if your not enabling CPU or GPU containers just bW might work.

Idk multiseat isn't anything virtual , and they have a watch dog that watches your cpu and you usage I'm sure if one is using too much the other won't allow u to get a job , however bw might work if your connection can handle it

[peak terrace]

because that's not fun

[civic fern]

Windows xp gigachad

[robust creek]

[naive lava]

that's not even equal to the price of 1 3090 im pretty sure

[jovial fiber]

they were renting it

[gleaming shell]

dude what

[tardy swan]

shut the FUCK UP

MAKE IT STOP

i hate

[jovial fiber]

[dire elm]

Proxmox + Bandwidth Sharing to run on a server (homelab, not datacenter)

[little saffron]

wouldnt work

cuz proxmox makes VMS

[little saffron]

what server do you have?

[peak terrace]

if you click the three dots in the top right you can turn off notifications from salad

[tardy swan]

then i won't get important notifications

stupid

[gleaming shell]

it never even sends me important notifications

every time my sgs dies for no apparent reason salad just stays silent

no degraded message or anything

[shrewd terrace]

I have cpu and GPU disabled

I only use bw

[dire elm]

Some racks and desktop servers

[ebon iris]

when is bandwidth cmging to singapore?

like any news

[glossy pasture]

it already on singapore as beta

[foggy wind]

huh?

i live in singpore too

but

i dont have it though

@glossy pasture

[foggy wind]

ya so i cant use it right?

what should my release channel be>

[glossy pasture]

on testing/beta phase no all will getting guarantee bw job

[glossy pasture]

just use latest lol

[foggy wind]

bruh

oh i think ik

bc a few days ago i got like 5 cent?

i think its bc of bw

[glossy pasture]

i think not many/any salad client using singapore bandwidth mostly i see on UK and india

[foggy wind]

ye '

bruh singapore is like soo small bruh

and it has been a long time since they say testing the bandwitdh

[glossy pasture]

well, you still lucky singapore on testing phase, which will be official on near future, me malaysia not even on testing phase list

[ebon iris]

oops

[safe loom]

i know australia’s gateway is hosted in singapore

probably cause it’s cheaper

[spark adder]

Can you dm me on how it was done, I have an old windows 8 pc where sgs doesn’t start at all

[upbeat shuttle]

why..

also it wasn't really working, it was just running

[spark adder]

OH

[naive lava]

salad moment

new features, new issues
-salad

[shrewd terrace]

yo guys i got traffic on henna gateway

[opal galleon]

Yeah, they deployed traffic on henna yesterday or day-before-yesterday i believe

[shrewd terrace]

u also got?

[opal galleon]

No, my friend did

I lost my good NDM log

So now, gotta go back to restarting to get sgs

[shrewd terrace]

why sgs is using 50 mb of ram

[peak terrace]

I don't think salad is even supported on windows 8

[naive lava]

yeh it's not

only windows 10 and 11

[outer anchor]

Any news about the bandwidth sharing in israel?

[frigid reef]

nope

[outer anchor]

How long has it been under testing?

[upbeat shuttle]

mmm I think we first heard about it from some people a couple months ago

[outer anchor]

Oh ok

Do you know how long other countries were in testing till they got released?

[upbeat shuttle]

i forgor, but there doesn't really seem to be any pattern

[outer anchor]

Ok thank you very much

[uncut bluff]

calm down

why does it matter

it’s literally public information

it’s on the librespeed documentation

why can’t people know about it?

it doesn’t harm you if other people know about it

yeah but

just because a few users know about it

doesn’t mean it’s gonna impact you

it’s not like everyone that knows that trick is gonna run a speed test at the same time

that wont happen

barely anyone knows about the —server id trick

and that was showed a long time ago

and one day salad is probably just gonna replace libreshit in general with something else

[gleaming shell]

What if salad just makes their own speedtest

woul be hard tho

[shrewd terrace]

gatekeepers be like:

[shrewd terrace]

i dont think salad wants to pay for the bandwidth

[shrewd terrace]

im not sure for download but you can use --upload-size [bytes]

[safe loom]

11 months of bandwidth sharing

and the librespeed bug is still in effect

[jovial fiber]

💀 i forgor

[glossy pasture]

:iseewhatyoudidthere:

[civic fern]

is there some kind of trust score for BW sharing?

[upbeat shuttle]

maybe so, maybe no

[civic fern]

nono, i really need to know. My main pc has been crashing a lot recently with salad active

[upbeat shuttle]

if you meet the minimum requirements and your network stability is good, you're probably fine

[civic fern]

and now i'm really not getting any job at all

the problem is the undervolting, i can fix it only when i'm back home though

so if there's a trust score, i'm basically fucked

also pc has been crashing way more often since i started 2 minecraft servers...

hmm...

[harsh badge]

Does anyone know how disconnects affect you for BW jobs? Sometimes I have to reset/restart SBS just to get a reasonable speed test. Yesterdays londons was giving results of 140meg down and 700 up… 😂😂 eventually settled with a 340down and 650up result. I usually get a BW sharing job within 1-2 hours but yesterday due to numerous speed tests it took about 4 hours. Is this due to the disconnects or just to do with jobs?

I don’t know why libre doesn’t just “queue” speed tests….

I can test to the Netherlands using the server ID trick which gives 900 down and up but the latency jumps from 12ms to 25ms. Don’t know if that would matter… they should just pay for SpeedTest.net…. Cheap skates

[civic fern]

all i know is that i'm not getting any BW job anymore

[harsh badge]

You in the uk?

[civic fern]

nope

Italy

and italy is... hehehehe, a funny story

[harsh badge]

Ah, yeah UK always seems to get quick BW jobs

10am and 30meg up and down. Or 4C per 15

[upbeat shuttle]

as long as you meet the minimum requirements, anything beyond that isn't necessary..

the amount of traffic you get really does vary over time

[harsh badge]

Are you sure? Most throughout I got with a 180result was 120meg, most I got with a 500meg result was 350meg but could be anecdotal.

Throughput

I thought salads “brain” check available bandwidth for nodes and allocated jobs accordingly. Or it’s stated in the wording of BW sharing on salad site,

[upbeat shuttle]

I can double check with them to verify, but I am pretty sure that I've had throughput that's exceeded my speed test results on quite a few occasions

[harsh badge]

This part “does my connection matter? “

[upbeat shuttle]

what about it?

[harsh badge]

Since there's no telling when a stream will happen, Salad's control plane (i.e.,
Mother Brain) creates a priority queue that arranges bandwidth-sharing machines by the quality of their connections. Whenever Salad hears about new jobs, workloads will be assigned in order to whichever Chefs have the lowest ping and greatest available bandwidth at the time.