Genshin theory? (nerdy)

[ripe sparrow]

that might’ve been obvious already lol, if so sorry

[elder nebula]

i am

slightly scared ;-;

i don't think arlecchino knows where the gnosis is- ||in the archon quest, she states she tried to snatch the gnosis from furina, only to find out it wasn't there. i think she knows it isnt in furina, but unsure of its current location as she contemplates the possibility it might've been with neuv (it isnt) 😭||

the oratrice is powered by the gnosis, but ||WHERE THE HELL IS SAID GNOSIS 😭||

[elder nebula]

ofc, this could be refuted by ||whether or not the events arlecchino stated takes place BEFORE or AFTER act 1. but i also doubt she'd send a mortal for a gnosis yk 😭 we've never seen a non fatui harbinger/archon handle a gnosis (exceptions being miko, but she's not human either)||

unless lyney is the archon of rizz confirmed /j

[elder nebula]

on a not so big brain note

[ripe sparrow]

will read after finishing archon quest

[ripe sparrow]

fair point, she definitely knows more than she lets on though (are we surprised atp)

there’s also ||the thing w childe’s final dream/vision, is he in the waters around the fortress or was that something else entirely? and the dragon silhouette that floated over him, my guess is it relates to neuvillette and the spirit of the hydro dragon ||

||we told arlecchino that there was no evidence pointing to him being hurt, but now there definitely is lol||

||also furina just gets more sus, she seems to want the best for her people but has absolutely no idea how to do that. she knows about the prophecy (and from the fountain dialogue we can assume she definitely cares about it) and she knew that the primordial sea was escaping but didn’t even think to have an emergency response plan. the second she sends neuvillette away, she brings the traveler to her meeting. when arlecchino calls her out, you can tell when she’s putting on a front or not. when she says fontaine will be saved, she means it (the traveler confirms this after) but when arle asks what she intends to do about it, she has nothing. yeah that’s about it, just more “furina is definitely very weird and probably not the archon”||

[somber ibex]

The silhouette over Childe looks like a whale to me

[elder nebula]

||i believe it was the whale, also imo it would make more sense if it was the whale. but that also has a good point, as to why was neuvillette reincarnated, and not the other dragons? dvalin was created by celestia, so he isn't the anemo sovereign. my point is- where are the reincarnations for the other dragon sovereigns? why hydro 👀||

[elder nebula]

im ngl i think bro ||drowned|| 😭

[somber ibex]

Also here’s a cool fun fact:

The icewind suite boss (mainly coppelia) titles are quite dark:

Dirge of Coppelia means Coppelia’s Funeral/Burial

Nemesis of Coppelius means Vengeance/Retribution of Coppelius

[somber ibex]

As far as Ik the only confirmed dragon sovereigns that are alive (as of rn) are Apep and Neuvillette (yes ik he is a descendant of the hydro dragon)

Also neuvillette has voice lines about each of the archons thus far but do not refer to them by their archon name

They’re all just called Anemo Archon, Geo archon etc etc

[elder nebula]

yesyes, i just wanna know why the hydro dragon was reincarnated as opposed to the other dragon sovereigns (apart from apep who's alive). why didn't we get a anemo sovereign reincarnation, or geo? could be a part of the curse 👀 ||in my delulu era||

[somber ibex]

Or maybe they’re saving them for a huge lore drop

[ripe sparrow]

||i feel like they wouldn’t kill off childe though, it would put fontaine in a really bad position and give arle tons of power||

[elder nebula]

||in the scenario that he does, she'd definitely manipulate that to get her hands on the gnosis.||

[elder nebula]

||perhaps she was cursed to be the archon? honestly everything but the lore is pointing towards her being the archon which is super weird 😭 she's featured in official archon arts, releasing in x.2, also listed as 'regina of the waters' 💀💀 but she doesn't seem like the archon. i think she might've been cursed against her will or her 'sentence'. its strange really 😭 i can't wait for 4.2||

also furina come home pls

imagine is furina turns out to be the archon but loses her archon powers/status in 4.2 as part of the curse being lifted 💀 that would be interesting

[ripe sparrow]

||definitely, i don’t know how to explain but i feel like it just wouldn’t fit in with the story, like there would be so many parts and they just wouldn’t fit together||

[ripe sparrow]

imagine omg
i don’t know why but i want oceanid action lol

[elder nebula]

i mean there has to be a reason they ditched furina 💀

[ripe sparrow]

especially because from what wriothesley said, previous archon didn’t seem like the nicest archon ever
seemed capable though which might be why the oceanids are/were loyal

[elder nebula]

maybe they didn't truly recognise her as the true hydro archon

which

fair 😭

[ripe sparrow]

lmao

[ancient pumice]

||Regina of the waters means queen of the water||

[ripe sparrow]

||that's so weird though because that would mean she actually has some sort of power/status, and a big one at that||
||wonder what the title could mean in terms of furina's powers||

[somber ibex]

Spoilers for new archon quest:

||I’m not sure whether the whale in Childe’s cutscene has a significance in the storyline but I have a feeling that the whale is 9x out of 10, responsible for the primordial sea to overflow, however I am also unsure of whether the primordial sea origins have been mentioned in the archon quest||

[ripe sparrow]

||i don’t think the origins of the primordial sea were mentioned. the whale could definitely be closely connected to the primordial sea though, your theory makes sense||

[somber ibex]

||Considering the fact that Childe was in the primordial sea and we had a massive whale silhouette above him, I think the whale is connected to the primordial sea||

[ripe sparrow]

||yep makes sense. also brings up the question of wtf happened to childe?? like did he drown? because i refuse to believe hoyo would kill him off. it’s possible he’s close to death, but without finding the primordial sea itself we won’t know. which brings up the other question of how did childe get there??? like he had to have made it under the fortress to get there, i wonder if going through the gate that freminet couldn’t pass allowed him to get under the gate to the primordial sea and therefore got into the primordial sea. my guess is that traveler might have to go through the gate to save him since we can likely swim through the sea without getting dissolved (and let’s be honest, we’re the traveler so we’re probably more resistent to it or something like that)||

[somber ibex]

||If I remember correctly, the primordial sea can only disintegrate ppl from Fontaine. The garde in the first archon quest was disintegrated bc of the primordial sea and bc Childe is not from Fontaine, he can’t become water||

[echo yacht]

i love neardy talk and all but can we all agree that paimon will never be evil????

like

even if she has a plan why would she even bother herself with us???

and lets say she is a "fallen archon" that hasnt died yet

it makes no sense for her tk be this lets say um.... stupid????

she isnt that bright but shes been really helptful tbh

if she was afallen archon we woudl have been with our sibling a while ago wouldnt we??

(i love paimon so ill defdnd her even if its my last bteath)

[loud quest]

How come i never thought of it this way..

[echo yacht]

whar

[loud quest]

but yeah i agree with paimon not being evil, she just seems to hides something

[loud quest]

I meant if she's really been in teyvat so long, the abyss sibling probably know her or at least about her

[echo yacht]

YES

silly lil theory i have no proof of : what if paimon met our sibling but our sibling told her to look for us and help us BUT not directly leading us to them???

[loud quest]

The thing about paimon that really bothers me that no one we met seems to know anything about her..

and when we met the abyss sibling the spotlight was dain not paimon

[echo yacht]

EIGHT

RIGHT

it seems that the abyss sibling saw paimon and pretended not to know her bc of their agreement (my theory)

[echo yacht]

not even mona

it seems venti and zhongli know smth but arent telling us bc "someone" is watching

who, in theory, is paimon

[loud quest]

im liking ur theory so far

[echo yacht]

YAYAY

im so happy i fludnsoemone who liked my theory ommygkd

[ripe sparrow]

||i know he can't disintegrate, but if i remember correctly (correct me if i'm wrong) the water still has effects on people not from fontaine, not dissolving them but making them sick/other side effects (not 100% sure)||

[ripe sparrow]

i personally love the theory that paimon is an archon (or if you look in some older messages in this channel, you'll see a theory about teyvat being in a samsara and paimon being the reincarnation of the unknown god in the new samsara) but i agree that's she's almost definitely not evil. powerful? probably. evil? no. however, one thing to take into consideration is the fact that we don't know what the intentions of the unknown god were when they tried to stop us from entering teyvat. if you think about how teyvat is upside down and the archons are demons/devils, the unknown god could've definitely had good reason for trying to stop us from entering teyvat (however, this could be wrong due to the unknown god being a "sustainer of heavenly principles" meaning celestia had a part in this and usually celestia is up to no good). idk just one possibility that i like to think about

[echo yacht]

oohhh

so what ur saying is u think paimon is a god from celestia?

that was send for us?

or am i getting smth wrong

[ripe sparrow]

not exactly?? i'm not sure i understand it fully lol but i think that the unknown god was likely sent from celestia. if the samsara theory is true, it's possible that paimon has different intentions than the unknown god

[echo yacht]

oohhh

i get it okau

[somber ibex]

||The only time we’ve seen a playable character get sick from the primordial sea is Freminet bc I think he swallowed it up. I believe neuvillette said in the first trial (furina vs the traveler and the twins) said that the girl who cowell was trying to get was not from Mondstadt so she can’t feel much pain from the primordial sea. Either way, I have a feeling that Childe’s whale silhouette is connected to the primordial sea overflowing in act 4||

[somber ibex]

||Mb I meant the Mondstadt girl was not from Fontaine ||

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh thanks
||and his whale has to be connected, idk why but i feel like i've heard something about the whale connecting the primordial sea. the whale is so weird though, like there's not a ton of lore but it appears with childe so often, idk||

[ripe sparrow]

yess, plus albedo's line about her having enough elemental power to make springvale's waterfall flow backwards and this REALLY sus line from the melusine

"above the sky itself" there has never been a clearer reference to celestia

this description of the traveler as well

[ripe sparrow]

this might not mean anything but just a note this is the second paimon = balloon reference that's been made in fontaine so far lmao

[echo yacht]

wait who said that

what wuest is it

quest

[ripe sparrow]

book of esoteric relations

revelations*

[echo yacht]

huh

[ripe sparrow]

it's a world quest in merusea village, the melusine village in "a warm place"

melusine's name is canotila

[loud quest]

When i saw this dialog for the first time my head immediately went "are we the villain"💀

the lore is expanding

[echo yacht]

okie thank uuu!!!!!

[ripe sparrow]

RIGHTT?
however i saw it more as we're willing to do absolutely anything to get our sibling back and save the people we love
and if we found out the truth about this world, it would destroy us

[loud quest]

Yeah absolutely
even the wording of it, the traveler "could" but not necessarily "would" if u get what i mean

I just imagined what if in the last quest the traveler is ready to rage out all his power for 'saving' the abyss sibling but at the end they decide not to?

Or something like that

[ripe sparrow]

i like to think that instead of “saving” our abyss sibling we will end up siding with them and learn the truth of this world

[echo yacht]

wair what abt paimon

[ripe sparrow]

oh right she’s gotta come in somewhere

didn’t think about that lol

[echo yacht]

i feel like shed go with traveller tbh

[ripe sparrow]

probably, if she really is the reincarnation of the unknown god it could be like her rebelling against celestia

because paimon is definitely connected to celestia

[echo yacht]

yes!!!!

[ripe sparrow]

there’s no way we fished her out of a lake

i refuse to believe it

[echo yacht]

i mean... genshin was pretty silly back then 😭

[ripe sparrow]

loll

[ripe sparrow]

it feels like a coverup though

it just doesnt fit, like if we fished paimon out of a lake, how was she there when we woke up?

one possibility is that we found her in another world, but that doesn’t really make sense because there was no trace of her at the fight with the unknown god

[ripe sparrow]

ok so i just learned that the main OST of genshin (the one in the loading screen) is called "the wind and star traveler" and wow so many things are implying that venti is heavily connected to our story, like there's so many different pieces of evidence

a few are

• anemo statue being defiled statue
• venti is the narrator of our opening story in CN beta
• our story is supposedly opposite our sibling's, we started in mondstadt + likely end in khaenriah, they started in khaenriah and end in mondstadt?
• he knows about art of khemia + what albedo is (not really related but still important i think)

there's more i think but i cannot remember, ria probably could

[elder nebula]

we have

• venti's gnosis being the queen piece, which in chess is one of the most powerful pieces. it's very flexible but also not exactly meant to survive (fyi i don't play chess, i got this shit off google)
• venti narrating the bp
• zhongli is bound by a contract, venti is....?
• the fact that istaroth and venti were both worshipped in mondstadt, along with the mysterious island
• the spiral abyss being located in mondstadt (although this could be attributed to the fact mond was the first nation to drop, and they needed to put it somewhere)
• kaeya's dad dropped him off in MONDSTADT. like. WHY 😭
• venti's theme has part of the opening theme as well

oh and the hexenzirkel in mond 👀

why did they meet in mondstadt

bunch of powerful ladies that are probably comparable to gods

[echo yacht]

yes thats true (abt the chest)

yes i play chest hAga

anyways what did u mean by bp

[elder nebula]

yk how at the start of each update there's a battlepass cutscene

about the princess who went in search of a pearl, got corrupted into thinking she was the princess of an evil nation

and the prince who is now following in her footsteps

i suspect that is an allegory/analogy for the story of lumine (as the princess) and aether (as the prince)

AND GUESS WHO NARRATES THAT CUTSCENE

venti. ||my husband||

makes him even more sus

like good sir where did one get ahold of this information

[echo yacht]

????

HOW DID U KNOW

[elder nebula]

i can pick out erika's voice from ANYWHERE

[echo yacht]

HELP???

[elder nebula]

im damn near certain its him

its erika

don't ask how i know 💀

it has to be

[echo yacht]

LNAOO

lets hope it true 🤞🤞

[ripe sparrow]

thank youu
also istaroth being god of WIND and time

[ripe sparrow]

that makes so much sense actually, our sibling (we’ll just say it’s lumine) went looking for the truth of the world (the pearl), found clothar and founded the abyss order (corrupted into thinking she was the princess of the abyss, our sibling is even called the prince/princess by abyss members), and now aether is following her journey in search of the truth of this world (following the princess’s footsteps)

[primal mango]

Theory, plucinella may not be playable

Joke

[elder nebula]

tbf what model would he use

first child male model

[ripe sparrow]

lmao child male model

that would definitely be something

[ancient pumice]

For a not child person

[ripe sparrow]

well i mean we have nahida lol

[loud quest]

I have this theory that the orb (other than zhongli who have a cube for some reason) in the statues represents the relationship between the archons and "their people"

1. venti is holding them away so they can have their freedom but still close to them
2. zhongli is keeping an eye on them but seems (based in the body language) more relaxed
3. ei doesn't seem to look at them but still hold them so close
4. nahida totally trust them and it seems that she can rely on them
5. furina -still not sure- but i think she uses them to make herself look worthy

[elder nebula]

i love this omg

cant wait for the tsaritsa

[ripe sparrow]

that’s awesome, the statues have always been interesting but i never thought to look at the orbs, really interesting theory

[elder nebula]

murata: throws orb into fire pit

[neon marsh]

using the people as a weapon? who knows

i really like this theory; i’ve actually heard it before

[echo yacht]

THTS AK COOL

fant wair for my pookie tsaritsa

[somber ibex]

I feel like with either Murata or the Tsaritsa they would hold their orb really high in the air like proving that their nation is the most dominant/powerful

[echo yacht]

i feel like murata would hold hers in one hand while in the other she shows how strong she is while tsaritsa holds in high in both hands

[somber ibex]

I think so too

[elder nebula]

or maybe close to her heart with like a cloak, since she's the god of love or something

is she even still the god of love 😭

[echo yacht]

not necessarily, if i understood her lore correctly she isnt the god of love, she used to be the god of love, up until something happened that "froze her heart"
"shes a god that has no love left for her people...."

wair let me get the cyro thibg

she does have empathy ans it seems she cares about others but from what others say "a god with no love left for her people" that kinda js remains a mystery for the time being

but i believe after a certain event that happened she lost her love for her people but stayed empathetic

"Her followers only hope to be on her side when the day of her rebellion against the divine comes at last."

shes kinda in a similar situation with ei, they only follow her/believe in her js bc they fear her or fear what might happen if done otherwise

sorry i js relaly like tsaritsa

[elder nebula]

that event has to be the cataclysm

barbatos and the tsaritsa used to be best friends

then shit blew up and now they have beef 💀

you can see her current thoughts on venti by the way she sent signora

she still has respect left for zhongli, as she signs a contract with him and perhaps fear for ei as the fatui kinda sneaks under everything

venti? sent some woman to smack his balls real hard 😭

[echo yacht]

LMAO

honestly imo vemti could have beaten her up and won easily but he chose not to since la signora is "a child of monds"

[elder nebula]

i like to think that he could but he would've annihilated the church and pretty much delete mondstadt in the process 😭

[echo yacht]

yes

but its been confirmed that ventu doesnt hurt a child of monds

shes from monds

she was born and grew up in monds

[elder nebula]

ofc that and the fact he didn't wanna give jean another nation to fix

rip jean tbh girlie needs a break

[echo yacht]

huh

OH

yes that rigjt

poor jeanie

[primal mango]

Why do I have the feeling there's more than one in the heavenly principles and there's more hidden about the abyss and celestia than we thought?

Also what if all we did in the game are just mere illussion or dream and no one's even real?

I fear the thought of Paimon not being real 🥲

[ripe sparrow]

i'm curious what you mean by "more than one in the heavenly principles"
do you mean the unknown god?

and noo paimon not being real would be terrible omg

[primal mango]

Other than her

She said she's the sustainer

What if there are different titles per member of heavenly principles?

Also she is good and remaining the SUS-tainer in the game, joke

[elder nebula]

i think that implies she is definitely not the heavenly principles themselves

it seems like she's working for something bigger

[primal mango]

Yeah, just wondering if there are more in the principles

[elder nebula]

maybe a concept similar to archons?

[primal mango]

Like the fake primodial one?

[elder nebula]

perhaps

[primal mango]

Thinking of Celestia fears me now

[elder nebula]

im still debating who won the war

im leaning towards swc

[primal mango]

True

[elder nebula]

since enkanomiya (once part of phane's kingdom) is now known as the 'land of sinners'

[primal mango]

Ah... bcs Khaenri'ah ppl reside there too

And the dragons

[elder nebula]

the vishaps

the 'sinner' seems to be phanes

[primal mango]

Tnx for correcting me, it's been a while since I played

[elder nebula]

or swc im still deciding

[elder nebula]

its ok dw 😭

[primal mango]

I'm debating if weather abyss and tsaritsa will join hands to beat the divine

Or not

[elder nebula]

if so pierro would be VERY involved

interesting though

i wonder if the abyss lives outside of the samsara

[primal mango]

True

I wonder too

[ripe sparrow]

oh wait that's actually so interesting

that would make childe a very rare case because he was in the abyss for months, meaning he would've been "outside the samsara" for months

[somber ibex]

With ppl saying that celestia is moving it definitely is and I believe it’s moving towards Snezhnaya because of how many gnosis’ they have. Celestia also has 2 nails ready to launch on teyvat

[ripe sparrow]

i like the theory that teyvat is following paimon (or us, but paimon has more evidence)
there’s a melusine that says paimon is attatched to a string that goes higher than the sky itself, there’s the theory that paimon is the unknown god in the new samsara

since celestia seems so afraid of losing power, i feel like it would be weird for it to move towards the tsaritsa who leads the organization that’s actively trying to overthrow it

on the other hand, they could definitely be trying to either get the gnoses back or take out the tsaritsa

[somber ibex]

Maybe the two nails is Celestia trying to take out the tsaritsa and drop it down on her palace…?

[ripe sparrow]

oooh yeah

imagine if celestia is following childe

[somber ibex]

HELPPPP

[ripe sparrow]

tbf we’ve seen him in both liyue and fontaine, and we’ll definitely see him in snezhnaya, and he seems like the type to vacation in natlan idk

[somber ibex]

Also in Inazuma

[ripe sparrow]

oh we’ve also seen signora in mond and inazuma and dottore + scara in sumeru so maybe just fatui in general

[ripe sparrow]

when??

[somber ibex]

It was a limited event in 2.2

I believe Childe was trying to find Scara

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh i started after 3.0 so i didnt see that event lol

[somber ibex]

Nah dw I stated around about the end of 2.5

I only remembered it after watching the trailer (I was looking for Tsurumi island stuff lol)

[ripe sparrow]

ooh

[somber ibex]

Did Tsurumi get a nail launched on it similar to chasm and dragonspine…?

[ripe sparrow]

i think tsurumi was the one with the nail

yeah apparently the thunderbird saw a nail get dropped on tsurumi

[somber ibex]

Ohhhhh

Celestia destroyed:

Dragonspine
Tsurumi island
Chasm
Enkanomiya
Khaenri’ah

[ripe sparrow]

yep

so much fun

[somber ibex]

I lowkey wanna see a cutscene of celestia destroying smth

[ripe sparrow]

that would actually be so cool omg

[somber ibex]

Ok so my imagination is about to go wild but imagine if we witness the tsaritsa’s palace being destroyed in Snezhnaya

[ripe sparrow]

I WAS JUST THINKING THAT

[somber ibex]

HELPPP

[ripe sparrow]

we can only hope though, my guess is that the snezhnaya quest will be largely fatui related :(

which makes sense but

destruction

[somber ibex]

Wonder if we get to learn all the harbingers’ past

I mean we understand it sort of but there’s some harbingers I am really interested in learning about

Pierro, Sandrone just to name a few

[ripe sparrow]

yeahh that would be really cool

[somber ibex]

I hopefully await the day that maybe we can witness Celestia destroying smth

[ripe sparrow]

and to learn how they’re connected to other characters

[somber ibex]

True

[somber ibex]

I’m now wondering whether we’ll see petrichor in Fontaine

[primal mango]

[lavish sand]

I'll send later, gtg

Or I'll just do it rn

original theory

Acc. To my theory based on lore till now and the hoyoverse storyline reveal 3 years ago, officially, no leaks
In version 8.0, those who dreamed a dream, we will meet the anchor or the storyline reveal video, which, in my opinion, is old/alternate timeline aether

I'm saying so, because in that trailer, the anchor/aether imo says that

"hope you will be better than me in saving her"

So it kinda nearly confirms my theory

That the anchor of that video is actually old/alternate timeline aether, who couldn't save his timeline/old lumine from abyss

original theory

[exotic rivet]

lore besties i need ur help

do u guys know the project ark theory

from hi3 and how it connects to genshin

was it ever confirmed / debunked??

[elder nebula]

ooh looking into that rn

wait thats so interesting omg

[ripe sparrow]

i've heard of that but i haven't actually researched it

also CAN WE TALK ABOUT MASQUERADE OF THE GUILTY AND FURINA'S TEASER??

so much is happening oml

[exotic rivet]

IM SO EXCITED

[elder nebula]

FURINAS TEASER GOT ME

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

LORE ENTHUSIASTS WE ARE EATING SO SO SO WELL

[loud quest]

also the fact that mona was speaking during the trailer

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNUryRQm/

THIS

[echo yacht]

HUH

CAN U SEND IT AS AN ACTUAL BID

vid

tiktok is banned here

[loud quest]

oh wait a sec I'll try

[loud quest]

here u go

[echo yacht]

THANK UUUU

wair shell be appearjng in 4.2 archok quest??

[somber ibex]

I heard her voice in the trailer and ppl were calling me crazy bc they thought it was Navia and I checked the description and saw her VA

[ripe sparrow]

yeahhh i wonder if she foresaw fontaine’s prophecy as well??

[ripe sparrow]

YES WE ARE

[somber ibex]

WE ARE

[somber ibex]

Considering that she’s an astrologist who can foresee someone’s future that’s not an archon I think she probably knew about the prophecy

[ripe sparrow]

ohh yeah that makes sense

[somber ibex]

Also we might be getting hexenzirkle lore bc Nicole was in the trailer too

[elder nebula]

mona's master is a really interesting figure too

she had to get her powers from SOMEWHERE

[somber ibex]

Barbeloth I think that’s her name (my phone autocorrected it ti bad sloth HELPPP)

[elder nebula]

i saw theories that skirk was part of the hexenzirkel

i have my doubts but 😭

interesting take

[elder nebula]

BAD SLOTH 💀💀 not surprised if mona called her that once

a lot of the recent sagas had a lot to do with fate

[somber ibex]

HELPPPPP

[elder nebula]

nahida considers fate to be the ultimate knowledge

[somber ibex]

True

Random question: do you think we’d have to fight the hexenzirkle if yes who?

[elder nebula]

why am i kinda scared if i was actually right

[somber ibex]

I have a feeling that might happen

[elder nebula]

skirk potentially but pls no

i have to do this shit on mobile and im gonna get BLASTED

nicole is also an interesting figure

[somber ibex]

Imagine if we fight someone like Rhinedottir

[elder nebula]

HELL NO 😭

[somber ibex]

She keeps appearing out of no where help 😭😭

[elder nebula]

girlie keeps spawning everywhere

[somber ibex]

She would potentially try and manipulate Albedo to go against us and use rifthounds and the wolflords

[elder nebula]

how did she know about the changes in irminsul

[elder nebula]

we'd basically have to body the cataclysm again man 😭

[somber ibex]

Yep 😭

[elder nebula]

imagine durin out for your ass

thats gotta be terrifying lol

[somber ibex]

YEA

OR LIKE SHE RESURRECTS DURIN

[elder nebula]

at that rate im quitting genshin impact 💀🙏

[somber ibex]

HELPPP

[ripe sparrow]

please hoyo don’t do this to us

[echo yacht]

HELP???

[ripe sparrow]

i might have to quit soon if the storage continues on the same path that its on right now
30 gb after this update, my phone cant handle this

[elder nebula]

i have a hard disc on my pc so i have 800gbs left including hi3 😭

i nearly had to quit in 4.0 but hard drives to the rescue

[ripe sparrow]

me, a mobile player 😭

[somber ibex]

SAME

[ripe sparrow]

we’ll see how it goes

[somber ibex]

but sad

[elder nebula]

my phone is also on life support

it's running hsr too

[somber ibex]

My ipad isn’t gonna survive both star rail and genshin

[ripe sparrow]

if i tried to run hsr on my phone it would literally melt

[somber ibex]

HELP

[elder nebula]

i've got 20gbs left

i think this is the final update my phone can handle

[somber ibex]

MY IPAD WILL SET ABLAZE SOON 😭😭

[ripe sparrow]

im praying i can make it through, ive gotten this far and i really want to see the end of the story

[somber ibex]

Same I pray to make it to at least Natlan

[ripe sparrow]

but hoyo will have to find a way to use less storage, like deleting files of old quests or skmething

[somber ibex]

You can do that ^^

[ripe sparrow]

samee

oh you can? what??

[somber ibex]

I do that at the end of every version

Yea

[ripe sparrow]

how did i not know this omg

[somber ibex]

It’s in settings and I think it’s called resources

[ripe sparrow]

oh my god thank you so much

[somber ibex]

[ripe sparrow]

unrelated but now that we know childe gets out the primordial sea, i wonder how he does it
it seems likely that skirk helps him out, especially with the appearance of the whale (i think it’s a whale)

[somber ibex]

Yea it’s a whale but they call it a narwhal but I don’t see the unicorn horn on it 😭😭😭

Yea it’s a whale but they call it a narwhal but I don’t see the unicorn horn on it 😭😭😭

[somber ibex]

So I read today that apparently albedo may be related to the Melusines-

TLDR: albedo is somewhat related to the Melusines

Now we need siegewinne (is that her name?) to meet albedo

[exotic rivet]

the. the quest.

mind exploded

[elder nebula]

right.

im still emotionally and mentally recovering

after i get my shit together i'll combine my screenshots

[elder nebula]

aight so....yesnt?

[elder nebula]

do with these as you wish because my brain is fried rn

[exotic rivet]

i will send my delirious analysis i wrote at 1am before passing out last night

major archon quest spoilers you have been warned

[exotic rivet]

LMFAO

MY GUESS WAS ALSO RIGHT AND WRONG

i thought || it was egeria who left her with no answers / no powers I DIDNT THINK ITD BE HERSELF LMFAOAOA. i also called the gnosis being in the oratrice ||

[somber ibex]

Idk why but Skirk, Childe and the foul remind me of Jingliu, Jing Yuan and Yanqing

The foul - Jingliu
Skirk - Jing Yuan
Childe - Yanqing

Idk but it’s just an observation

[elder nebula]

||so returning the powers back to neuvillette was the ultimate act of justice...||

huh

actually may i pop in something worth noting

this entire descenders concept came from the fatui, which means the tsaritsa knows.

||i mean im assuming childe told skirk but, also wtf did she get the concept FROM the fatui or did the tsaritsa get the concept from skirk?? 😭😭 help me||

[elder nebula]

||i was shocked i was so close because i said it as a semi joke 😭🤚🏻||

[exotic rivet]

its rumored that the first harbinger has been around since khaenri’ah so the term descender could be 500+ years old

[elder nebula]

not really rumoured since scara confirmed that pierro lived with abyss sibling for a bit in khaenriah ;-;

[random osprey]

so ||what are we supposed to do with the knowledge of more descenders||

[echo yacht]

we dive

/j

[ripe sparrow]

i was just thinking that jingliu looked like skirk

hsr, hi3, and genshin seem very related, genshin's char designs also seem to be getting more honkai-ish if that makes sense

like i saw sigewinne and immediately thought of bailu, and the first time i saw clorinde i completely thought she was from hsr

[loud quest]

im so far behind in the archon quest can someone spoil something for me..
is focalor and furina two different people? or is she just no longer the archon?

[ripe sparrow]

i've barely started it yet loll

[loud quest]

im getting spoilers EVERYWHERE while my traveler is still in prison lol

[ripe sparrow]

lmaooo

[elder nebula]

its sosos good

massive lore bombs

[ripe sparrow]

i honestly can't wait to play through more of it

i've gotten through a small bit of it, not much though

[elder nebula]

ok so ||focalors split her divinity and her human parts into two, and furina was the human part. focalors (the divine part) was sacrificed so only furina remains||

[ripe sparrow]

lots of stuff concerning primordial sea already though which is so interesting

[elder nebula]

so ||furina is completely human||

||she always was||

[ripe sparrow]

HELPP i want to click on that so bad but i know i'll be upset about spoiling it for myself

[loud quest]

I wanna know it directly but the quests are just getting longer it's hard for me lol

[elder nebula]

the biggest one was ||gnoses are made from the remains of the 3rd descender||

[ripe sparrow]

i was reading but i might actually play through more of the archon quest now

[loud quest]

OMG

[elder nebula]

||descenders can control the elements very well, hence why we can so the traveler is basically gnoses ingredients lmfao||

anyway great aq, i cried so fucking hard

[loud quest]

IT IS REALLY A LORE BOMB

@ripe sparrow stay strong for the team😂

[elder nebula]

yeah 😭😭 last bastion of unspoilered

also skirk is a mood and i love her

minor spoilers

[loud quest]

||ive sern her yeeting childe🤣🤣||

[elder nebula]

||LIKE A SACK OF POTATOES 😭😭 I WAS TORN BETWEEN SOBBING AND LAUGHING LMAOOOO||

anyway boss fight was easier than the fucking regisvine so you'll be fine

[ripe sparrow]

okay that's definitely good to know lol, as long as its not anything like that skater couple boss i'll be fine

[elder nebula]

the only difficult bit is breaking the shield but you can oonga boonga your way through that lmao

once its down nuke that bitch

also just dodge

[ripe sparrow]

wonderful, i can't wait

[elder nebula]

goodluck to all doing the aq afterwards

i recommend some time to emotionally recover after whatever that cutscene was because i did it 3 days ago and im still crushed

[echo yacht]

i wanna watch the archon quest but im still not done with dainkae quest

[ripe sparrow]

i did i last night and holy shit im gonna need some time

that was a wild quest from start to finish

also theorists are not real
humans because how tf was every detail of the archon quest predicted down to ||how focalors sacrificed herself for neuvillette’s power|| like what?? ||i think it was pretty well known that furina wasnt the archon but the theorists even got the fact that both focalors AND the gnosis were inside the oratrice, powering it|| sorry for the rant but i just find it so wild that people actually predicted basically the entire quest lmao

[loud quest]

I mean i kinda figured out the oratrice thing or at least i had my doubts
cus when childe was "guilty" furina had no idea but 'the oratrice' is supposedly created by her (or something like that i don't fully remember)

[elder nebula]

i predicted the losing of her divinity im still wheezing lmfao

[loud quest]

Well technically ur right😂

||no longer hydro archon||

[loud quest]

I'll go back to sumeru a little..
Rukkhadevata and nahida are not the same person. Right? I've seen a lot of people saying it that i now doubt my understanding
Yes Rukkhadevata exhausted her powers and took a child form but she isn't nahida, the point is that after nahida was "born" they didn't accept her that's why they locked her but she is not the actual old archon (even if she is in their memory rn)
RIGHT??? PLS TELL I UNDERSTOOD IT RIGHT

Nahida is Kusanali not Rukkhadevata (im doubting everything i know from sumeru archon quest)

[exotic rivet]

GUYS

GUYS.

THIS IS A WORLD QUEST SPOILER BUT || THE TEYVAT TIME LOOP THEORY WAS CONFIRMED ||

here are the twt posts with ingame ss: || https://x.com/_vivivovo_/status/1723281813433667671?s=46&t=q5tHC7mHE7jO91T2FVlF2g ||
|| https://x.com/7hasmarkers/status/1723348721205649591?s=46&t=q5tHC7mHE7jO91T2FVlF2g ||

[loud quest]

NO WAY YES!!! i have a love hate towards this theory

[elder nebula]

WAIT WAS IT THE NEW TOWER

[elder nebula]

YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH BABYYYY

I KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP

accurate depiction of my face when i ran into that lil shit

[ripe sparrow]

i believe nahida was the reincarnation of rukkhadevata (her line to nahida: “you are me in the new samsara”)

as well as the description for the sumeru statue of the seven

lots of talk about rebirth

[ripe sparrow]

i love how these are about more than just the time loop theory. it also basically completely confirms the archons-are-evil theory, saying that the final stage of evolution is freedom from them. this is quite interesting, as it seems to be very similar to our sibling’s views after they have seen the truth of this world. i wonder if they tie into this, and if so, how?

[ripe sparrow]

i would say you guys did pretty well in this channel for figuring out the archon quest lol

[loud quest]

The nerd power is getting stronger

[ripe sparrow]

soon we will conquer the world

[loud quest]

I didn't notice that the description of each statue of the seven is different🧍🏻‍♀️ i got some nerdy activities to do in genshin now

[ripe sparrow]

i just learned recently, its very interesting!

was venti waiting for us to come??

my brain is spinning help

[ripe sparrow]

does venti know about the descenders?? is it possible that he met the third descender and was waiting for us, the fourth descender, to come? i think it’s also possible that he knows about the truth behind the gnoses, seeing as he was technically the only archon so far to not willingly give his away (i’m not counting yae giving ei’s away for her). we also know that venti has met and has spoken with dainsleif, and there’s no way that dain doesn’t know about the “remains of the third descender”. i guess it’s possible that he knew at some point but doesn’t know rn (because loss of memories and stuff) but if skirk knows i’m pretty sure he does. anyways back to venti, considering that he’s over 3,000 years old (i think it’s ~3,600) there is a chance that he could have met the third descender or someone who knew the third descender. idk i might be reading way too much into this but that’s my theory lol.

[echo yacht]

im pretty sure its implied

not to mention the monds story isnt even HALF complete :/

i swear if they abandon it im abt to sue genshin

[ripe sparrow]

same omg

wait okay i was reading about the hexenzirkel and someone mentioned the omni element and HOW DID I NOT REALIZE THAT TCG COULD IMPLY ELEMENTS TO COME

[echo yacht]

huh

[ripe sparrow]

and in tcg paimons card is connected to the omni dice, does this mean that paimon herself is connected to omni element? (if there is one)

sorry that was a very random and detached rant, im talking about how tcg has all of the elemental dice + omni dice. we know that there is likely a new element to come, and factoring in the fact that dainsleif doesn’t have a vision but can manipulate the elements, the term “omni-element” would fit well (‘omni’ meaning all or of all things)

[echo yacht]

OHHH

yes i agree

[ripe sparrow]

the only thing is that the “light” and “dark” elements would fit better. when dain fights the abyss herald in we will be reunited, he uses a dark blue/black power, in contrast to the white power that the siblings used against the unknown god

i just thought the omni element was very interesting

[loud quest]

Wait that made me remember a theory I've seen
the omni 'element' is white with hue of rainbow, and rainbow is actually reflected light (white)
and there's the melusine who said that paimon is a RAINBOW ballon
and both omni dice and paimon clothes(?) have the same symbol
I don't remember the other things sadly but they sure connected (paimon and omni element)

[ripe sparrow]

yess that makes a lot of sense

about the “light” and “dark” elements however, there’s also the book of sun and moon and the night and day functions in enkanomiya

OH

WHAT IF

omni element is a pneuma/ousia situation, like one side is dark, one side is light, and people can be either

that would be so cool

[loud quest]

THAT'S GENIUS!
speaking of colors, white reflect light and black absorb light
so we can say light = power
what u do with ur power defines if it's pneuma or ousia???

[exotic rivet]

i interpreted it as archons freedom from celestia rather than us trying to get freedom from them. and || focalors finally succeeded ||

[ripe sparrow]

OH YOURE RIGHT

when i read it i thought of the “teyvat is hell and the archons are demons” theory, but that’s another really cool way to think about it

[ripe sparrow]

ooh yes i really like that! i wonder if it could also be a place that you came from or like where you originated, hmm

[exotic rivet]

YES YES YES FINALLY THIS IS MAKING MORE SENSE. one of his voicelines implies that he knew we were coming / he knew us before we arrived in teyvat

my theory has a lot of holes so ik that it isnt right. but my theory is that our abyss twin might have been / is related to the third descender, and is the reincarnated version. bc why else is our twin from teyvat and in irminsul but we aren’t???

[ripe sparrow]

OH WAIT WHAT

[exotic rivet]

i also saw an interesting theory that the traveler themselves are a gnosis. lemme see if i can find it

[ripe sparrow]

THATMAKES SO MUCH SENSE

rhey are a gnosis?

hmm

[exotic rivet]

the only thing is the third descender came wayyy before the fall of khaenri’ah. but we only know thats when the twins tried to leave right?? i dont think we know when they arrived

ok lemme find the tiktok

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8DLdtKq/

[ripe sparrow]

thats actually really interesting, i like that theory

im very much obsessed with this but could that be another reference to an omni element? in tcg, omni dice are the best to have because they can be used as any element, essentially changing to any element depending on what you need

[elder nebula]

this is like reading an essay and i love it

[ripe sparrow]

reading theories is usualy like reading essays, i coild be a really good high school teacher if all essays were lore theories lol

[steep agate]

Crack theory(sort of): what if twin arrived way earlier than we thought they did and died as the third descender. Fast forward, khaenri'ah was doing stuff they weren't supposed to with leylines and stuff right? We don't know if descenders' deaths are recorded in irminsul or not but it would make sense since it happens within teyvat. Khaenri'ah could've brought them back and that caused the cataclysm

I think an interesting to note is Skirk's comment on your bonds with people becoming curses when they die, and that may hint towards the abyss twin's aminosity towards their twin and the eventual conflict that'll play out

[steep agate]

Would've also made sense for khaenri'ah if they were striving to rise as a nation without a god and could manage to bring back a core piece of the gods' authorities/gnoses through our twin's body

[neon marsh]

oh idk if anyone mentioned but isnt the samsara theory confirmed now

i havent logged on in a while but i saw posts about it shrug

[ripe sparrow]

yes it was mentioned here and yes it was confirmed

[ripe sparrow]

i really like that theory but isn’t it confirmed or guessed that rhinedottir started or sparked the cataclysm when she released riftwolves? im not completely sure but that’s what i thought
idk either way i really like that theory

[neon marsh]

okay okay

[ripe sparrow]

sorry i hope that didn’t sound rude

[neon marsh]

nono it didnt! sorry if my reply made it sound that way

[ripe sparrow]

no you’re good!!

[somber ibex]

Not sure whether this can be counted as a theory but it’s a cool fun fact:

Liyues waypoints are positioned to represent characters constellations

[ripe sparrow]

WHAT

[echo yacht]

whar how

[ripe sparrow]

there was a piece of paper that basically said that teyvat was in its 4th time loop or something, confirming the samsara theory

[echo yacht]

OJHH

[ripe sparrow]

yeahhh

[somber ibex]

You can search up genshin constellation waypoints and they show you all the liyue characters constellations in waypoints

[echo yacht]

HUH

[somber ibex]

I WAS SHOCKED TOO

This can be found on Reddit btw ^^

I won’t send them all but here are some examples ^^

[elder nebula]

OH YEAH I HEARD OF THAT A WHILE BACK

i wonder if that applies to other nations or not 🤔

[ripe sparrow]

WHATTT THATS SO COOL

[elder nebula]

yall omg i was just watching minsleif's 4.2 recap

||if egeria's sin was creating humans without celestia's permission, what about rhinedottir & albedo?||

||if we go with my entire 'phanes is the sinner, swc is the heavenly principles & won the war' fiasco, we know that phanes created humans. does that correlate somehow?||

help me

[ripe sparrow]

i mean, ||rhinedottir is in the hexenzirkel||, and she’s mastered a very dangerous art of alchemy. we still dont know why rhinedottir left albedo (to my knowledge) and there’s always the possibility that she was running from celestia or from her own sins. because we know celestia would likely have nuked her and the entirety of khaenriah if it found rhinedottir lmao

[ripe sparrow]

it definitely could. from what we’ve seen, celestia or swc doesnt seem to care whatsoever about the lives of humans, which we see when they destroy teyvat with nails, despite how many innocent people were killed. in celestia’s view, creating humans could have been the ultimate sin. i like your theory a lot

[ripe sparrow]

this combined with the gnosis theory makes so much sense
i can't explain why it makes sense it just does

or maybe i just really want that to be the case idk

[elder nebula]

yall im about to cry

fontaine arc spoilers

THEY TOLD US THE TRUTH FROM THE START

10 MINUTES INTO ACT 1

LIKE

i saved the quest to do after 4.2 on my na and this is why

i feel like a circus clown

[ripe sparrow]

oh my god there is no way

HOYO WHY

[elder nebula]

right 😭

if i had cared to re check the dialogue...💀

maybe i would have not spent hours contemplating original sin 😀

[ripe sparrow]

if only

[next berry]

So mondstadt, Inazuma, liyue, Inazuma again, and Khaenri'ah. Nothing from present day Sumeru? And why Inazuma twice? Does that have any significance?

[next berry]

Wait which hexenzirkel member was the one in that event with the floating tea party? Whose disciple was there and acting all suspicious?

It was J wasn't it?

[somber ibex]

Yh

Ivoana I think is J

Wait is that how to spell her name

[next berry]

Idk, the only hexenzirkel members whose names I know are Alice, barbeloth, and nicole

[next berry]

Okay so I haven't done that quest yet but... they're onto something. One thing that really stood out to me was that they called the second samsara Natlantean, described it as the defeat of dragons, and then Neuvillette called Natlan the land of dragons. Also they were right about the freedom from the gods. Perhaps the Fontaine archon quest is what truly starts the samsara. Focalors dies, (which like wow, the amount of planning and dedication that took), and suddenly Fontaine is free from the Gods.

[next berry]

Well, basically all that Skirk knows she learned from her master. Didn't she say in the aq that the "remains of the third descender" was just what her master called it? And sorry, where exactly did you get that the concept came from the Fatui (I probably missed smth, I'm not super lore versed). Maybe skirks master and tbe tsaritsa are working together, if not cooperating, or maybe just had a convo one time.

[somber ibex]

Alice, Barbeloth, Rhine, Ivoana, Nicole, Andersotter and I believe there’s 2 more

[next berry]

I do wonder though, maybe some of thsoe steps are metaphorical? The piece of paper says that the human spirit goes through four steps, but does the human spirit get rid of dragons? Unless "human spirit" is referring to humanity and society as a whole, instead of individually.
Also regarding the archons-are-evil theory, idk about that. Maybe I just don't want to believe that nahida and focalors are evil, but I genuinely don't think that they are. Maybe it's more of the idea of godhood as a whole, much like the overarching humanity. The heavenly principles maybe? Could the gods/archons exist without the heavenly principles? Maybe they meant the heavenly principles, but didn't know the difference between that and the gods? Please I love focalors, please don't let her be evil

[somber ibex]

Focalors can’t really be evil bc she destroyed the hydro archon throne

That means that we are 9x out of 10 not gonna get a new hydro archon

teyvat is an upside down world so basically all angels are evil and all devils are good since archons are all named after demons (including Paimon) this means that they’re probably on our side

[next berry]

Maybe the archons are evil because they bought into the heavenly principles and killed many others for their gnoses, which are the ideas of the third descender. maybe that's some sort of sin, because they're basically stealing the power of the third descender.

[somber ibex]

We know that the gnosis were made from the remains of the third descender

But I don’t think archons would be allowed to do that since they have to abide by celestia’s rules

The only powerful character in the game who is related to an archon and can go against celestia is neuvillette

Because he is a dragon he has the will to go against celestia

This is implied with Furina’s vision

We see it as a pneuma style vision

However there are four triangles on it that look to be replicating dragons teeth

Implying that neuvillette gave furina that vision

[next berry]

Those things?

[somber ibex]

Yes

[next berry]

I think the interesting thing about Furinas vision is that it's pneuma, but it's not fully pneuma because of the more rounded top

[somber ibex]

And neuvillettes arkhe type is pneuma and that is a sort of pneuma styled vision

[somber ibex]

I have a feeling that it’s also implying there’s a bit of ousia energy too

Which makes me wonder how Fontaine characters get their arkhe type visions

[next berry]

And with her gameplay, she can switch between pneuma and ousia, so yeah

[somber ibex]

I’m genuinely very curious about how Fontaine characters get their vision with the double vision alignment like are there characteristics to get pneuma + ousia arkhe types or is it for aesthetic

[next berry]

Well do we know how they get their vision element yet?

[somber ibex]

Anemo - dead friend
Geo - hard working
Electro - outlander/struggling to fit in
Dendro - smart and curious
Hydro - feeling like they’re not enough
Pyro - passionate about something
Cryo - in conflict with something or someone

We can see this with Lyney and how he’s passionate about doing magic
Lynette (and Lyney too) lost both of her parents when she was very young and had to walk around before arlecchino took her in

But also according to lore both Lyney and Lynette got their visions from saving each others lives

[next berry]

Also one thing I've noticed is that mostly girls have ousia. Idk if that's on purpose or if it's just coincidence. But think about it, lyney is pneuma, Lynette is ousia. Freminet is pneuma, Neuvillette is pneuma. Navia is ousia, chlorinde is ousia. This isn't necessarily a pattern bc Charlotte is pneuma, and idk about wrio

[somber ibex]

Wrio is ousia

[next berry]

Its probably just coincidence then

[somber ibex]

I see what u mean

Most male Fontaine characters are pneuma whilst most female characters are ousia

Further making me wonder how when a character gains a vision what arkhe type do they follow

Like visions do arkhe types have characteristics that the vision holder must fulfil too?

[next berry]

Are those all of the fontaine characters so far?

[somber ibex]

Yes

[next berry]

You could probably split them up and see if they have anything on common

[somber ibex]

No character outside of Fontaine has the pneumousia arkhe types

[next berry]

Furina is both, so what about her?

[somber ibex]

I was thinking of how social they were but then I realised that can’t be the case

[next berry]

Bc freminet

[somber ibex]

Fremi and Neuvi are very introverted and don’t go out much

[next berry]

And lyney

Also Navia is pretty social

[somber ibex]

Lyney is very extroverted
Fremi is introverted
Charlotte is extroverted
Neuvi is introverted

Lynette is introverted
Wrio is slightly introverted (I think he’s more ambivert)
Navia is extroverted
Clorinde is introverted
We know nothing about chevreuse but she is ousia

[next berry]

I think wrio is introverted, he doesn't mind spending time with people, but I think he'd rather be alone

[somber ibex]

True

(And btw the chevreuse ousia is not a leak there is a small glimpse of the top of her vision in her drip marketing)

[next berry]

Furinas pneuma side is her "archon side", with longer hair and lighter clothes, while her ousia side is her "human side", with the haircut that symbolizes the execution of focalors, and darker clothes

[somber ibex]

True

A really cute detail is that both Furina’s forms have a connection with the underwater creatures

Her ousia form looks like the crabs

Her pneuma form looks like a jellyfish

[next berry]

Maybe the pneumousia has to do with what they do with their vision?

No evidence, just a thought

[ripe sparrow]

i agree with your second idea. i don't think it's that the archons are evil, more like they're being played almost like puppets on a string by celestia/swc maybe

there is the teyvat is upside down and is actually a hell theory though, which is connected to the archons-are-evil theory lol

ria sent a really good picture of it once

this one

theres also this photo from nahida’s story quest

[ripe sparrow]

okay so i found this and holy crap there's a lot to read but focusing solely on the last paragraph, the "multiverse" paragraph - it says that the "will of honkai" or the will of chaos, is the supreme force. if we look at egyptian mythology, there is Apophis (also known as Apep, whoa apep??), or god of chaos, who is the greatest enemy of order. idk what this would really connect to but i found it cool lol. another thing in egyptian mythology is that chaos must always be equal to order. putting this into genshin context, if we were to force the abyss order (chaos) to retreat, it would force the gods to retreat as well so that order and chaos are always in balance. basically all of the gods would become like venti, distant from their people and only intervening when they really need to. besides that, this whole picture is wild lmao there's so much information

i don't know how people do these things, like where did this info come from it just appeared

[loud quest]

I saw this pic on hoyolab and i wonder.. is celestia in front the "fake sky"? cus if so it might be closer to teyvat than we think
Ik it's bc of the 3d model and stuff but imagine, celestia is ACTUALLY keeping an eye on us (as the traveler or maybe also the avyss twin?)

[ripe sparrow]

i love the theory that celestia is keeping an eye on us

if we look at how powerful traveler is in lore, it might be watching us because we have the power to break through this false world that it created maybe? idk i'd like that to be the case

but yeah i think celestia is a lot closer to teyvat than we thought before

[next berry]

Guys...
IVE CRACKED THE CODE
Absolute REAL 💯 theory:
Wriothesley = Worcestershire sauce

Source: you can't pronounce either, and have way too few syllables for the amount of letters they have

[echo yacht]

UR SO SMARTTT

[ripe sparrow]

wait you’re so right

how did i not realize this

[odd void]

I think Furina will become a god, and one that is not bound by celestia. she has an archons body technically, and we know Focalors is good at deceiving people and needed Furina to not be able to figure out the plan, so she might've tricked her into thinking she was cursed (then for some unknown reason tricked neuvilette too.) She has the glowing hair, and she used to have tha archon effects in the party setup screen. As for the god not bound by celestia, her vision didnt come from the gods, but rather from neuvilette, the hydro dragon sovereign. this means that she is not bound by celestia in regards to her vision. and we know that vision holders can ascend to godhood, however, if her vision isnt connected to celestia, then what will happen if she ascends? she likely wont have any ties to celestia. and we'll have a god that celestia has no control or power over.

[ripe sparrow]

aaa that would be absolutely awesome but i feel like fontaine’s story is basically over now. celestia being decieved by focalors was kind of a first step (at least thats how i see it) towards gods being free from celestia. im sure there will be more things like that to come, and likely much much bigger and insane things (defiled statue and khaenriah) but i just dont think they can drag on furina’s story anymore.

[odd void]

I’m imagining it not being for Furina per say but to advance the lore

Like in her 2nd story quest

Similar to nahidas 2nd story quest was similar to an extension of her story but it also advanced the lore

We knew the dragons existed

And we now know apparently peoples faith can turn not gods into gods

Perhaps if they see Furina defending them from something she will become a god- idk I just don’t want her to grow old

[elder nebula]

i agree tbh, im very happy with fontaine's arc and i hope they don't try and twist poor furina into a god

after all shes been through even if she was given the opportunity to become a god she'd outright reject it

after playing a role for 500 years and losing yourself in the process, only to be thrown back into that role but this time for real and having 0 sense of self apart from 'god' seems like hell

let her be happy ;-;

[odd void]

I think under the right conditions she wouldn’t

Besides she wouldn’t have to rule Fontaine ofc

Neuvilette is already doing that

[elder nebula]

wait how

because if we're talking about visions down here its ambition rather than faith

faith in the archon is what gives the archons power, but furina is not an archon

visions allow people to ascend to celestia after they die

but whether they become a god is idk

[elder nebula]

although furina's vision was given to her by neuvillette, so i don't know if that applies 💀💀

[odd void]

Yes but apparently egeria was the primordial seas heart until the people’s faith turned her into a god-

[odd void]

The thing is she’d still be able to be herself of course

The difference between the act and becoming a true god would be the fact that she isn’t contending with humanity anymore

She doesn’t have to act as the people would want, heck, perhaps she won’t even have to act as a god and can just be like zhongli and venti, enjoying their life without any worries

She and Neuvilette could be there in order to keep Fontaine safe, but at the same time she’d keep Fontaine how it is with Neuvilette in charge and furina just being there to help

Oh also my theory on gods curses is that once the god that cast the curse dies the curse is lifted

Therefore only archons that could’ve cast a curse on kheanriahns is zhongli and Venti

But they probably wouldn’t do that- so I think the archons didn’t cast the curse at all

I think that the sustainer did

Anyway furina could technically be a god, just without their divinity and authority, or well perhaps in that case a half god because as I said she probably has the body of an archon

And we know focalors is good at deceiving people

After all furina has focalors old body, and focalors only said she separated the divine part of her consciousness, she never said anything about reverting the body back to that of a human

That could also explain furinas glowing hair

I swear I really just don’t want furina to grow old. Then Neuvilette will be saying “water tastes the same as I remember, but where are those who share the memory?”

[loud quest]

I don't think hoyo would kill any playable character in genshin (although it'd be cool imo)
also i kinda wish we could see character "grow up" during the game not just their birthday letter🙁

Or at least something to tell the canon time we (the traveler) spent in teyvat

[elder nebula]

this

i don't believe we'll see any character grow old in the course of the game

[elder nebula]

i thought focalors split the divine part of her, and the human part of her. she killed the hydro archon's divinity (which went to neuvillette) and only the human body remains, which is furina. is that what not happened 😭 help

[elder nebula]

but what is a god without divinity and authority in teyvat? also, i don't believe there are any more gods apart from the seven in teyvat ;-;

[elder nebula]

it was one of phane's shining shades, not the people's faith

[ripe sparrow]

aren't there more? like in zhongli's first story quest we have that one god of salt, and in liyue archon quest osail was released
aren't they also gods? maybe not archons but they are gods aren't they?

correct me if i'm wrong

[elder nebula]

yesyes, but they all were killed in the archon war, where the reign of the seven began

there used to be gods like guizhong, guoba, havria etc. but they all got killed in the war for the gnoses

as of now, there are only the archons and the dragon sovereigns

[ripe sparrow]

out of the two, venti is definitely the more likely choice. zhongli just doesn't fit into the whole thing, we know nothing about any dealings with khaenri'ah whatsoever with him. venti, on the other hand, knows at least a bit about khaenri'ah. he also knows about dainsleif and about albedo's art of khemia, which suggests that he might've talked to gold at some point. we know that the "gods" placed a curse on khaenri'ah, but we don't know who that is. it could possibly be celestia/swc or phanes as well. i just think that we can definitely rule out zhongli

[ripe sparrow]

ohh that makes much more sense thank you

[elder nebula]

this, while venti is 100% very suspicious i also doubt it was an archon who did it

archons are powerful, but celestia exists

[odd void]

And probably venti too, as he could’ve learned of it from albedo and albedo would also be a source of info for kheanriah as well. Dain and the sibling also could’ve told him about it during their travels. I also heard that Venti was fighting durin during the cataclysm and was asleep before his people woke him up during the durin incident

[odd void]

Agreed, but there were at least 7 gods there, which would mean the sibling, dain, and abyss order could’ve just made the assumption it was every god who places the curse

[elder nebula]

im very excited to see how they kill off venti

i love him but the death flags are insane

[odd void]

They won’t kill him off

I’ll be in denial even after it happens

He’s my fav character

They’ll kill off the pyro archon because it’ll be himeko

[mint oracle]

oh they’ll kill venti too

i bet my hat

[elder nebula]

definitely

[odd void]

Besides, if the twin finds out it wasn’t the seven they’ll stop targeting the archons

[elder nebula]

i need the screenshots

[odd void]

They won’t kill him off 😭 because that would mean my top two fav characters will die, furina will die of old age and venti will die too 😭😭😭😭

Why is it that my fav characters are always the ones with death flags

[ripe sparrow]

i'm excited as well, it'll definitely be really interesting

i love him though

sadly

[elder nebula]

i adore him but god damn i cannot deny he has the biggest fucking death flag in genshin impact

[odd void]

Venti will live 😭

[odd void]

Childe was the biggest one I thought?

[elder nebula]

vesper coming with the essay

[odd void]

Or albedo

[elder nebula]

its big but minuscule compared to venti

this man is the colossal boy

[odd void]

I mean albedo has a voice line

Literally hitting at it

[elder nebula]

theres too much that points towards him

[odd void]

Venti won’t die because this is Genshin

And no playable characters have died

[elder nebula]

zhongli has signed a contract to hide what happened in khaenriah, venti has no excuse whatsoever

[elder nebula]

ah yes, but this is also the hoyoverse

they killed tingyun two patches in

[odd void]

He still had an excuse

He has ties to istaroth

[elder nebula]

they're holding the deaths for a wave

[odd void]

Venti could’ve been told he has to wait for the right time

I mean traveler hasn’t even asked him about it-

And if they theory that the real twin is dead

Is right

Theeeen

Venti might’ve not told the, because that isn’t our sibling

[mint oracle]

• venti has the queen gnosis, and in chess the queen is majorly important and powerful in the beginning but used as a sacrifice near the end
• the world of teyvat exists in a loop, and since venti was the beginning he’ll likely be the end
• the tsaritsa hates him more than any of the other archons (as proved by signora) because of a sin he committed in the past
• he exists to guide, not to act, and he often lies and bends the truth to pave the future how he wants it… liars never get away unscathed
• the barbatos statue has “gateway to celestia” written at its base
• he’s the “only” of the first 7 remaining (the only one that’s not retired or dead)
• all of the other archons know nothing of our sibling and the cataclysm or legally can’t tell us, but he held his secrets by choice meaning he has something to hide
• the upside down statue of the 7 was venti’s
• he speaks every language and knows every song that will ever be written, meaning that in a way he knows the future
• celestia doesn’t like those who deceive them, as learned from focalors
• his mom is a celestial god
• he has completed an exorcism on screen, so he has ties to death
• we don’t know what the hell he’s been doing all his life when he was supposedly sleeping
• he was part of the khaenriah disaster

there’s more me and ria have come up with but that’s all i remember off the top of my head

in summary venti is very dead

oh also did i mention he’s a FUCKING LIAR

ty for coming to my ted talk

[elder nebula]

after 1.5k mentions of venti in our dm history and 200 mentions of barbatos

[odd void]

He was in the ground when he was sleeping

It’s in the manga

[mint oracle]

that’s all you took from that

💀

[odd void]

Yes

[elder nebula]

sleeping to prevent erosion, for what though

[odd void]

I don’t dig deep, I just watch videos

Lol

[odd void]

I mean didn’t ei meditate to do the same thing?

[elder nebula]

i think we have reached the lore backrooms

[mint oracle]

she did to escape

he’s the only one that had no reason to hide but did

we see now that he’s fine living amongst his people

why didn’t he then

he has something to hide and preserve

[odd void]

He left so that his people could have complete freedom

[odd void]

Istaroths legacy?

[elder nebula]

also we know he fucked up big time with the tsaritsa

BIG TIME

[mint oracle]

she sent a hot woman to kick him in the balls when she made a deal with all the others

and he let her take the gnosis

[odd void]

I just don’t want my fav character to die😭

[mint oracle]

neither do i 💀

[odd void]

If I hated him like I did in the past I’d be glad to see him die

[elder nebula]

we love him too but i think his arc is what makes him so good

it's the character development and story

[mint oracle]

i have him c5 and i stare at him for fun we don’t want him gone either

but his story is the amazing part

[odd void]

Literally all of my fav characters are gonna die if he dies

My fav characters are venti furina ayaka tao and yoimiya

[mint oracle]

it shall be ok fellow venti enjoyer 🙏

ayaya and yoimiya seem safe so you’ll be ok

[odd void]

4 will die of old age either way😭

[elder nebula]

i love furina too but immortality is a curse, as we see from zhongli

i rather die tomorrow than be immortal

[odd void]

Ik venti will probably die

Wendy has died in both games she was in

[elder nebula]

to see the eons and friends flow by as you remain the same as you have for millennia is no happy ending for our favourite kids

[odd void]

But I’ll be in denial till it happens

[mint oracle]

yeah that’s another one i forgot to mention

wendy 😭

[elder nebula]

i personally want furina to grow old, she has suffered too long and i think it would be nice if she got a peaceful end

[mint oracle]

damn ria are you sure you’re not 2000 💀

furina dying as an old grandma is so wholesome to me

poetic almost

[elder nebula]

^^

[odd void]

Maybe venti will live on in the wind

[mint oracle]

YES.

that’s my headcanon too

[elder nebula]

nah i just need a nap

[mint oracle]

i’ve made it in advance

teehee

[mint oracle]

cross ocean hug

[odd void]

Maybe he’ll turn back to a wind whisp

[mint oracle]

lil squishy dude

[odd void]

And he won’t truly die he’ll only lose his physical form

[mint oracle]

that reminds me

[elder nebula]

we are not delving into the hc realm today 💀 that's another 8 essays

[mint oracle]

does wind spirit venti have bones

[odd void]

I think he’s just wind in his wind spirit form

[elder nebula]

um

[mint oracle]

is he squishy

is it just squish

[odd void]

Idk

[elder nebula]

okay bones is better than the other question we had

[mint oracle]

like what’s under that coat thing

[mint oracle]

STOP.

[odd void]

Anyway I have to put Winx on for my little sis brb

[mint oracle]

goodbye

[elder nebula]

🫠🫠

[mint oracle]

dms ria

[odd void]

BCK

Honestly all of the archons have tried to tell us to learn to the truth of the world by paying attention to even the smallest of details

Zhongli said that if we’re gonna follow our siblings journey all details will be important, venti said to not look only towards to end, but pay attention to the journey, the fatui, dvalin, all of it is part of the journey and worth cherishing

And nahida said basically the same thing as venti

The journey is as important as the end goal

[ripe sparrow]

this would make sense because we're following our sibling's journey (except backwards) and their journey is what led them to learn the truth of this world
it's also possible that the archons are trying to give us as much help and information as possible without upsetting celestia/without celestia finding out

[odd void]

which would be the reason venti didnt tell us anything

I personally have a theory that celestia has been threatening him

because he's the archon of freedom, if they didnt do something to force them to obey he could've easily given out info they didnt want people to know willy nilly

him to obey *

[loud quest]

maybe the thing that spreat the "gods" and "archons" is that the archon have the gnosis?
There's too many gods in teyvat but only the seven are the ones who ruled by their element which the gnosis presents other the fact that some of the gods died or "disappeared"

[loud quest]

In genshin manga when venessa asked about celestia he didn't seem to like it so i guess he know something that he can't tell

[elder nebula]

perhaps, there are loads of gods which may be why the archon war started as like a hunger games type shit for the seven thrones

because so far we haven't seen a god that is not one of the seven in the current timeline that isn't dead and/or lost their godly powers

apart from sovereigns ofc

[loud quest]

This actually makes sense

"Only the ones who survive will be worthy of their godhood" celestia, probably

[elder nebula]

there were too many gods to keep under celestia's control

random ass things too

like salt 😭

and the stove?? 😭

[loud quest]

Don't forget the goddess of flower

🙊

[elder nebula]

might as well be the dendro archon hhhh

i do love nabu malikata though

[loud quest]

I relised that the seven have two side
For example venti has freedom and wind

But the other "gods" only have one side

Except for istaroth

[elder nebula]

maybe the 'virtue' came before the elements

like rex lapis was the god of contracts before obtaining the geo gnosis

[elder nebula]

she's a shining shade, shes a weird one lol

they're all weird

[loud quest]

😂😂

But like geo is by far rocks? even dendro makes more sense to me

Or i might be missing something

[elder nebula]

idk what you do with rocks tbh

does soil count

although that would make very little difference

😭

i wanna know how celestia gave out the elements to the winners

they make sense but who gave the goddess of love the cryo gnosis

she wasn't even traumatised back then

theoretically 💀

[loud quest]

I was about to type that😭😭

No bc how come we (the traveler) didn't question celestia yet?

We have the archons, the heavenly principles

Even Khaenri'ah

But we don't question celestia who might be the orgin of everything?

[ripe sparrow]

i would say that we just dont know about it enough to question it but that wouldn’t make sense. we came from another world and likely tried to pass through celestia when we entered, which is where we were stopped by sustainer of heavenly principles. so yeah, i agree with your question

[odd void]

And when he does tell the traveler he gives his life for his nation if Celestia was threatening to nail his nation?

[odd void]

Actually apparently that wasn’t Celestia

I personally think that it was an area beyond the false sky

[ripe sparrow]

OH

okay yeah that would make more sense actually

sustainer of heavenly principles, area beyond false sky, blocking us and our sibling from entering, it fits together

interesting

[ripe sparrow]

IT WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME

HOYO ISTG

[elder nebula]

LOOL

like how they dropped the entire plot in fontaine's act 1 💀💀💀

[somber ibex]

That’s also what the whale boss says in its description

Apparently teyvat is blocked out from ppl entering, the only ppl who have bypassed the barrier are us and the whale

This makes me think that the abyss twin is not our twin

I’m thinking that something or someone made a replica of our twin and that’s why Nahida said they’re from teyvat

[ripe sparrow]

lmao yes

[elder nebula]

honestly i thought it was the other way around 😭 the sustainer of heavenly principles knew teyvat was fucked, and that us and our twin were the hopes, so she blocked us from leaving to save teyvat and locked sibling into teyvat

since in the beginning cutscene paimon says 'so when you tried to leave, you were blocked by some unknown god?'

[ripe sparrow]

oh right we talked about this at some point didnt we

[elder nebula]

i have no idea lmfao

[ripe sparrow]

i think we did lmao

[elder nebula]

we have almost 3k messages in here 😭

[ripe sparrow]

that makes us really cool

[elder nebula]

indeed

‼️‼️

[loud quest]

Nerdy power

we're probably the most active post lol

[ripe sparrow]

lol probably

us and the teyvat photography blog

[somber ibex]

I can see that tbh

[mint oracle]

nerd power

[somber ibex]

Real

[mint oracle]

BALLIE!

[somber ibex]

Omg besper

[ripe sparrow]

you’re actually probably right, i didnt pay attention to lore when i first started but i do remember that paimon line

and since the travelers are going through different worlds, it would make sense if we were trying to leave

i mean we never wanted to fix this world or overthrow its gods

[somber ibex]

Not really a theory but a cool fun fact: You can see a glimpse of Arlecchino’s vision in the Fontaine teaser

[ripe sparrow]

oh really? time to go watch that again

[somber ibex]

It’s very faint but you can sort of see a bright pyro symbol

[ripe sparrow]

ooh

[next berry]

But isnt ascension a concept from Celestia? When you ascend you ascend to Celestia. So wouldn't ascension just be binding someone to Celestia?

[somber ibex]

We only know 2 ppl who have ascended to celestia those being vennessa and the guhua dude I think-

[next berry]

Well there's still Murata and the Tsaritsa, but I agree with you that it's most likely the Sustainer. Another though might be Celestia itself. What exactly is Celestia? An institution? What if Celestia is a god in and of itself?

[somber ibex]

Those ppl who have ascended to celestia have the potential to reaching godhood

If furina actually died and ascended to celestia then she would have a chance of reaching godhood

However I do not think furina will regain the strength of an archon in the future

The throne has been destroyed which means we won’t be getting any new hydro archons in the future maybe

Scary thing about celestia is that it has 2 nails ready to be launched I’m wondering if it’s gonna launch on the tsaritsa’s palace in Snezhnaya

And speaking of Snezhnaya I’m wondering if the weekly boss there is the tsaritsa herself

We haven’t had a weekly boss who is an archon yet (I do not count the Raiden shogun)

[next berry]

We definitely won't be getting another hydro archon. That was the whole point of Foçalors' deception, to get rid of any divine authority that an archon has. Neuvillette has the power now, and he won't give it back. Sure, the gnosis still exists, but it's with the Tsaritsa, and I think that we can trust that she's not giving anything back to Celestia. I mean, her whole plan is basically to overthrow Celestia right?

[next berry]

Also how do you know that there are two nails?

Are they visible in the 3d model or smth?

[somber ibex]

Yes

Celestia looks like it has 2 nails that are ready to be launched

[somber ibex]

If the current archons are so willing to give their gnosis up I’m wondering whether the pyro archon will make it so you have to fight her for it

Knowing her ideals of war it wouldn’t surprise me

[elder nebula]

right? if furina would ascend to godhood, what god would she even be 😭 this is the reign of the seven, and the more minor gods are now gone. if she were to become the hydro archon, that would completely waste focalor's sacrifice and her own 💀🙏

[somber ibex]

Real

[mint oracle]

preach

[somber ibex]

I want Murata to be a bad bitch and make us fight someone to get the gnosis

[elder nebula]

let my woman be tan

please

[mint oracle]

she’d better not play nice

[mint oracle]

black murata prayge

[elder nebula]

🙏

[somber ibex]

Imagine us having to fight Cappuccino (yes that’s Capitano) for the gnosis and we end up winning. Would he get executed and we get the gnosis and be a wanted criminal before we enter Snezhnaya

[elder nebula]

i want murata to be fucking ruthless

[somber ibex]

REAL

we need a ruthless archon

An archon who actually demonstrates their authority

[mint oracle]

we need a crazier raiden shogun with no wimpy ei in the bg

[somber ibex]

Like as soon as we enter Natlan she is like “all who enter here are either prisoners or wanted criminals…”

[mint oracle]

the “im gonna fucking kill u” vibe

[somber ibex]

Wait my imagination is going wild

[mint oracle]

plsplspls

[somber ibex]

ok so u know how Raiden has tenshukaku

Imagine that Murata has a tenshukaku but bigger like an actual castle

And when we enter the room she’s in there’s like a ton of fiery fountains that set off as soon as we enter and then we see her

[elder nebula]

kinda want her to backstab us because jn the teyvat trailer dain goes 'when she shares this secret with the traveler, it is because she has her reasons.'

[elder nebula]

YES

[somber ibex]

REAL

[elder nebula]

fire fountains

[somber ibex]

PLEASE

IVE BEEN SO HYPED FOR NATLAN SINCE I STARTED THIS GAME

[mint oracle]

lava.

please.

rivers of lava.

[somber ibex]

BESPER U GAVE ME MORE IDEAS NOW

[mint oracle]

OMG

[somber ibex]

THE LAVA FOUNTAIN STREAMS FORM A LAVA RIVER OUTSIDE MURATAS “CASTLE”

AND THEN THE DOOR IS LIKE A BRIDGE

ok I’m gonna stop now

[mint oracle]

THAT WOULD VE SO COOL WAIITTT

it had better slay

[somber ibex]

But like I need Murata to be a bad bitch

[mint oracle]

maybe some sort of aztec palace

[somber ibex]

YES

[mint oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/near-nature-рядомсприродой-nature-природа-gif-20274300

we need some of them

sundials

[elder nebula]

i've sworn since my first day in teyvat i would have the pyro archon

[mint oracle]

the whole bit

[somber ibex]

As soon as Natlan is launched I am saving for pyro archon

She’s a queen

She’s a legend

She’s the moment

Number one archon

No one can compete

[elder nebula]

after 4.5 drops i shall start saving for murata

[somber ibex]

Me when pyro archon: Mirror mirror on the wall who’s the Baddest bitch of them all it’s Murata

[elder nebula]

i am on a mission across the hoyoverse to collect the himekos

[somber ibex]

Yes

[mint oracle]

she’d better eat like dehya never could

[elder nebula]

so far i only have hsr himeko, i almost have hi3 himeko

[somber ibex]

Dehya walked so Murata can run

[elder nebula]

now we wait one year for our queen

[somber ibex]

I hope the pyro archon has a throne room

[mint oracle]

yes.

[somber ibex]

And as soon as we enter we see double fountains

And a lot of fire

A lot of guards who r watching the traveler

[mint oracle]

there’s gonna be a roasted paimon joke

i’m calling it now

paimons gonna be a little BITCH

[somber ibex]

IMAGINEEEEEEE

Yes

[elder nebula]

after fontaine paimon has flopped so hard 💀🙏

[mint oracle]

she fell off after the quest

i think she finally gave up on ms nice paimon

she’s a BITCH now

[elder nebula]

i have some natlan leaks (no im not about to discuss them here) and all i can say is that im praying really hard

[mint oracle]

prayge

[somber ibex]

PRAYGE

[mint oracle]

fontaine has set a high bar

[somber ibex]

I hope the game kills off another harbinger

We turned this post into Natlan predictions and hopes help

[mint oracle]

capitano or dottore death

🙏

[elder nebula]

we need a death 🙏

[mint oracle]

focalors was quite the ordeal

they’re getting closer to a playable death