Genshin theory? (nerdy)

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reminds me of mikutorre

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i’m sorry its 12:30 am my humor is so shitty right now

what

to google i go, hold on

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the dottore variants

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LMAO

thats amazing

google just gave me questionable fanart of dottore, not much help there

so thanks

for sending the image

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...oh dear 😭

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im really curious about his back story, BUT I DONT WANT HIM TO HAVE REDEMPTION

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if hoyo gives dottore redemption i’m quitting genshin

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real

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i’m interested in how his experiments work

like how did he create his different “segments”

and what did he do with collei and the other kids

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yeah, from what we know he injected dead archon power into collei but i wanna know where he got said dead archon power 😭

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exactlyyy
like is he dead archon power lmao

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ikr where and HOW?!

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dori probably /j

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LMAO

imagine if dori was working with dottore

wouldnt that be a plot twist

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on the topic of harbingers i think pierro and colombina are the most interesting

pierro literally LIVED with abyss sibling in khaenriah 😭

perhaps aether and lumine were khaenriahn royalty, welcomed in because they were outsiders

tried to leave, cue beginning cutscene + cataclysm, abyss sibling wakes up, travels and sees the truth of this world, follows the abyss

and then cue our journey

huh

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honestly knowing dori it's entirely possible 💀

also of what god/archon

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lmao

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this actually sounds very possible

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not a theory but actually a fact i wanted to share🫢, alhaitham name in Arabic is a name for falcon
' technically it's not a really a name more like a trait associated with falcons in Arabic?

I love it when i found connections between genshin and irl

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oh wait that's so cool! i didn't know that

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https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLfVJ1un/

im getting more convinced about the upside down theory..

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the upside down statue could be the abyss order's way of saying "the archons are on the wrong side of the world" aka the archons are demons/devils theory

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ok so i was just thinking about this, isn't is so weird that during the chasm quest we see the inverted statue and it's one of venti's statues? like we're in the chasm which is in liyue but it's a mondstat venti statue

which made me wonder if we're missing a statue in mondstat

maybe... here?

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oh yeah i for sure think we’re missing a mondstadt statue

that does look like a good place

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this place seems very likely to be it

mond have a lot of hidden things

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mondstadt is so sus

it would be so hoyoverse style if we ended the journey where we started

slight wanderer quest spoilers here

||so assuming khaenriah is our last destination, and abyss twin's journey was a mirror image/opposite of our own, wouldn't their journey have ended in mondstadt? 💀 thats so sus wth||

[ripe sparrow]

yes i was thinking about that, how that could be the time where venti’s actual full lore and power get released

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venti's definitely lying about being the weakest archon

if an archon's power is derived from a people's faith, venti is buff af

bro has a church 💀

zhongli is pretty well respected in liyue, but due to erosion and the fact most people believe he is dead he is slowly starting to lose influence and power

meanwhile say a singular bad thing about barbatos and a bunch of murder nuns will come and find your location 😭😭

also the fact venti isn't suffering from erosion (hibernation essentially) makes him a whole lot more powerful

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even if he wasn't talking about his 'archon powers' he's still strong even with just the element, in i guess our first time seeing him he was able to "disappear/teleport" which is why i believe he didn't fight for his gnosis willingly

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LMAO
yeah he definitely isn’t the weakest archon, especially since we get saved by “the wind” (people w anemo visions) throughout our whole journey

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so real, he could've thrown signora to the next hoyoverse game when she took his gnosis but he didn't even put up a fight 💀 or he could've just flown away if he didn't want to

im convinced the archons are in on this gnosis plan

(except nahida, she was the only one that actually tried to gain something from the trade)

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'may the wind bless your travels ^^'
looks at 6reeze
yeah it really did ☠️☠️

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lmao

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did anyone notice this cecelia in ei's cutscene

my istaroth is the statue in inazuma theory intensifies

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tbh i don't see thing from the screenshots, but i might look it up

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the cecelia strikes again

im actually starting to believe the statue in inazuma is istaroth

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It's very possible, miko mentioned that she thinks there was a 'higher power' with makoto and they put istaroth in text
Cecilia are LOCAL to mond and in it's description it says "only grows where harsh winds blow" and we know that istaroth is the god of both WIND and time

there's a book from enkanomiya that mentioned istaroth as well

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another thing is, we know none of the raidens had wings while istaroth most likely had wings

help me

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Yeah the statue 100% isn't for makoto or ei

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😭😭

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I'll try my best searching

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Wait that's really make sense

Venti used to be a wind spirit so he was there but wasn't "seen" so what if it's something similar?

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tbh im still debating whether she is still alive or not

she could very well still be hidden

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THAT'S WHAT I THINK

I think she willingly isolated herself cus of heavenly principles or something

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she was still alive during the cataclysm or at least up until

because

well raiden's pt2 plot

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ooh a bit like what i think happened to paimon, except i doubt paimon went willingly lol

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another thing i find interesting is how connected venti and ista are

and this

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The only god/archon we seen that isn't dead but not in rule of a nation till now is guoba, but he take a lot of his strength so what if at some point istaroth used her powers much like him?

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Their choice of words is very interesting..

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then she probably would've shrunk into something, like guoba. i think thats why a lot of people think paimon is ista ;-;

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especially the 'sea of white flowers'

i think its either an actual sea of cecelias, hence why venti has cecelias in his ascension mat OR the sea of inteyvats

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My mind went to this..

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YEAH SAME 😭😭😭

inteyvats inteyvats

huh

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the twins hide a lot from us, even the 'character story' it's still not open to us..

But im more curious about the "loom of fate" one

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its funny how they are 'the player mc' and also the character we know about the least...

heres to hoping fontaine is this said '???' 😭

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Turns out we were the villain all this time😈 (jk)

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WAIT

It is perhaps something connected between the twins?

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you might be on to something hold on

in the preview trailer dain goes 'and the threads of fate will be yours to reweave'

THREADS AND A LOOM OF FATE????

THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE 😭😭😭

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Nothing in this game is coincidence

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something tells me the twins will be in charge of this 'loom of fate' with the 'threads of fate'

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there's also the issue of how lumine's inteyvat flower is still alive if they only were able to live in khaenriah

oh wait nevermind, the flower can still live, the petals just don't grow

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okokokokokok my brain is overloading right now

ok so neuvillette likely does not have a vision

on a stream i was on they were talking about how he could be the hydro dragon that belongs to focalors, which got me thinking that he could be a reincarnation of the hydro dragon. remember that ongoing theory we have about the samsara and archons being reincarnated in the new samsara? what if neuvillette is the hydro dragon in the new samsara?

because the hydro dragon was originally one of the seven sovereigns, like all of the other dragons

the dragons fought with the primordial one and lost, and the hydro dragon died

• there was a prophecy in enka that said it would be reborn in human form

so that's likely neuvillette

oh wait but kokomi

i forgot about her

hmmm, i guess we'll get more lore on him when he's released

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The fact that he doesn't have a vision and constellation info is really sus, like will he be able to control the element without a vision like the traveler? does he have a source of the element therefore "not human"? Or does he have a (delusion)?

There's so many possibilities

And man isn't released in game yet

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Wait so what are their "demon names"

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oh for archons?

there’s barbatos (venti), morax (zhongli), beelzebub (raiden ei), buer (nahida), and focalor (focalors)

i don’t know any others right now

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paimon is also a demon name

but the demon name is pronounced differently i believe

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for archons it's what @ripe sparrow said, but theres others like paimon, astaroth (istaroth) and asmodeus (asmoday, aka unknown god)

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(info about the "demon" focalor)
this is getting interesting

the second one is even more interesting with "a prophecy says that all of Fontaine will be drowned in water, leaving only the Hydro Archon to sit and see the ruin", it's all connected

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ooh, the first one is interesting too with the whole focalor-celestia fangirl situation

in the fontaine teaser one of the lines were 'and for the sinners, the curtain call has come.'

i like to believe those 'sinners' could be people who defied the heavenly principles (they didn't, they probably stole bread or smth which was against some moral)

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i have actually lore expectations from her

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me too

im gonna go watch the travail trailer rq

im curious now

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hoyo did a great job in making the lore, but im even more curious about of why our journey ends in where our sibling journey started? (Khaenri'ah)

AND ITS NOT EVEN THE END OF THE CHAPTERS

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does that imply our sibling's journey ended in mondstadt

mondstadt 🤨🤨🤨

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what i've noticed so far is a lot of parallels

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Yes it does

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especially with the samsara saga

"The God of Justice lives for the spectacle of the courtroom, seeking to judge all other gods.

But even she knows not to make an enemy of the divine."

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ASKSKSHAGF

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am i going to rethink everything again? yes. am i going crazy? maybe.

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im digging up all crumbs of foca-lore

(appreciate pun pls)

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difference between “gods” like people who act like gods or actually other gods and “divine” which could refer specifically to the power of celestia? idk here

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the only thing i can come up with is maybe there's a higher "god" or maybe the heavenly principles?

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it's appreciated lol

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its speculated that celestia is above fontaine

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...

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perhaps because it may the be only nation that isn't hostile? or perhaps it was just there the whole time and that was the root of the issues fangirling

justice in the name of the divine

interesting

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now my question is if not for us, then who?

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it makes me think of the bp "story", the last line was " This is the story of YOUR journey"???????????

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perhaps the pearl was the 'truth'

because i suspect that's what made abyss sibling fall down the emo hole

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wait.. since we are getting a new bp weapons does it effect anything or just in game?

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also hold up why does venti know this information

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venti knows too much but says too little

also i believe he's the only archon that have been "worshiped" among the seven

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interesting how we are referred to as 'crowned heirs'

'and the memory of her noble origins faded'

which is sus after caribert

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hmm you're right

the other nations have seen their god in person

and they respect them but not exactly 'worshipped'

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yeah excatly

the dude has a church even before the events in game

hmmmmm

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bro is literally anemo jesus

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but the bp HAS to be an allegory of our journey 💀💀

this is making me think of istaroth

seeds of stories, brought by the wind and nurtured by time

[neon marsh]

this is no theory but have you guys seen that istaroth tiktok

its an edit and its so good

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is it the one where the cecelias appear in ei's cutscene

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i got this from an edit LMAOAO

[neon marsh]

unsure but it wont let me share a link to it

i dont think so

its an edit with lots of voicelines

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huh interesting

istaroth is so mysterious

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let me screen record it bc its very interesting to me

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why the fuck is there an ummarked island off mond 🤨

[neon marsh]

actually a really good question

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that remind me of when there was a saying that there's a under water in cider lake

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OH YEAH I SAW THAT ONE

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YES YES YES

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the statue of the omnipresent god literally has a eye of the storm necklace LOOL

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yeah i think someone noticed that the black spots on the water indicated an underground area

and cider lake just so happens to have said spots 🤨

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they want us to believe we are finished with mond

but there's so many things

like if the unmarked island was saved for later "lore" they wont add dialogue

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and they also won't explain how someone deadass plucked a statue of the seven out of mondstadt

like 💀 how

and where was it

does the statues of the seven construction team ignore basic foundation protocols

like even if it was lifted using magic you'd wonder how they didnt have any sort of protection

wherever it came from that place is not in game

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and the fact that the domain wasn't even in mond, like i imagine them dragging the statue but who knows, also the church didn't notice? knights? the locals? no one noticed? this doesn't sound normal for they worship him and didn't know????

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im now picturing an abyss mage just running with a statue of the seven on its head

tf was a barbatos statue doing in liyue as well 😭😭

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actually speaking if it was the abyss order who stole the statue why didn't they just steal all

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WAIT I JUST NOTICED!

after every nation archon quest there's a "traveler" quest EXCEPT MOND

WE ARE NOT DONE WOTH MOND

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oh FU-

YOURE RIGHT 💀💀💀

DAIN IS AFTER LIYUE

what if the traveller quest WAS the mond archon quest /hj

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We will be reunited, the chasm one, caribert, BUT NO MOND

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lol

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fontaine

ANSWER US PLEASE

mondstadt is the nation we saw first and also the nation we have the least lore about

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WAIT we will be reunited is supposedly the fist traveler quest, but even tho it was chapter one IT WAS ACT 4?????

||or is it cus of the main archon quest ||

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i think so 😭 mond had 3 acts

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"thread of fate"🤔 ???

the domain of the quest

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and le loom of fate

🤨

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i am in fact going crazy

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we can go crazy together

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🤝

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'and the threads of fate shall be yours to reweave'

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🤝

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in "we will be reunited", the choice of words matter
it's not memories ABOUT Khaenri'ah
it's OF Khaenri'ah
**about **Khaenri'ah could possibly be more general or from other person perspective
while of is more personal perspective

even paimon proves it

sea of flames?

and they were there before tevyat?

also is it connected with this old event?

the description of the event adds up with the traveler

they were asleep for long time (500 years or something) and we know that the other twin woke up before us

[ripe sparrow]

i mean we already have seen the damage that celestia can do, my guess is by “divine” it means celestia and/or the gods that are above the archons

[ripe sparrow]

deep slumber, mysterious dreams? sounds like what happened to us

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pretty sure paimon is the primodial one

because her crown is very symbolic

her crown is literally on top of the games logo

and she has patterns on her which are similar to domain trees

this is very vague but i think you guys get what i mean

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ok this is probably 100% me being delusional BUT 'no matter the fate that has brought you hither' (implying the previous samsara) 'new thread of fate is already being woven' (current samsara cycle)

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no that makes sense

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the abyss twin want us to reach the end, while dain want us to UNDERSTAND the meaning..
small theory: maybe our sibling understood it "wrong" so it's our part to understand it "right"?

[ripe sparrow]

that makes sense, i think we definitely know that our twin knows the truth about teyvat being a “hell” and the archons possibly being less godly than they seem

[ripe sparrow]

ok so apparently albedo's lore is HUGE and i barely know any of it at all

so like is he going to become important later on?? i hope so

[neon marsh]

OMG yeah

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yeah probably

especially considering his mom and susbedo

[ripe sparrow]

also i saw a theory that lynette is a robot which i think is really interesting

either that or she uses her responses to drive people away, but it's interesting considering that freminet's constellation is named "automaton" and fontaine's technology is so advanced

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mom?? please explain

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rhindottir

the indirect cause of the cataclysm

master alchemist from khaenriah

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oh-

wow

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hello?? celestia is so close to fontaine

i’d guess that it’s anywhere in this area which is scary

i saw a video saying that celestia currently has 2 divine nails, so if celestia is getting closer to fontaine it could mean that one (or both?) of them is going to be dropped on fontaine

could be related to the prophecy - ||“in the end, the people will all be dissolved into the waters, and only the Hydro Archon will remain, weeping on her throne… only then will the sins of the people of fontaine be washed away.”||

[ripe sparrow]

also about the rain in fontaine, is it possible that it happens whenever someone is experiencing a really strong emotion, especially sadness, despair, or emotions connected to sadness? lyney said that it usually rains when a court trial is in progress. in a court trial, the person who is being charged is likely going to feel an extremely strong emotion if they are charged as guilty or innocent

and based on what lynette said about ||how even tears converge in the fountain at the opera house + the fountain has hydro energy||, it's possible that strong emotions, probably ones that include tears, could influence the weather

idk maybe i'm reading way too much into this lol

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according to a legend, it rains when the hydro dragon is sad (presumably one of the seven dragon sovereigns of teyvat)

and i think theres a prophecy somewhere where it said the hydro dragon will be reincarnated into a human

(minor-ish fontaine spoilers) ||neuvillette has vishap eyes, and it is also implied he doesnt have a vision. at the end of the archon quest, we sit with him for a while when he is sad and after that the weather clears up. paimon also takes notes of this, implying that that has something major to do with the plot.||

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a few madlads actually did the math and 💀

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speaking of the prophecy, i believe it has something to do with nicole

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for a more detailed explanation, albedo was the prime creation of rhinedottir, a master of the alchemy art khemia from khaenriah who also was part of the hexenzirkle. she created a shit ton of weird creatures which ravaged the land and was the starting point of the cataclysm. among the creatures was durin (the dragon on dragonspine), susbedo (fanmade name for failed albedo) and well- albedo. she went missing after looking for this thing called 'heart of nabius' and left albedo with a final mission (to uncover the truth of this world.) she then went to get the milk 💀

in 2.3 (i think, also shadows in snowstorms spoiler) ||susbedo tried killing albedo because he's alive somehow 💀||

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I think the most interesting thing is that albedo and subject 2 (aka susbedo) isn't "created" the same, like albedo is chalk while susbedo is from ||whopperflowers?|| also why did susbedo even tried to replace albedo? (they might said it during the event i don't remember lol) also is there's more subjects? also the most important albedo saying ||"If one day, I lose control... Destroy Mondstadt.... Destroy everything... Can I rely on you to stop me?"|| make me think that rhinedottir have some control over him

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||in the event there was a whopperflower albedo, which was actually a distraction from the real susbedo who appears at the end very briefly. i think because albedo was the 'perfect' one while susbedo was literally FED TO DURIN 💀 he was probably jealous of albedo's perfect life lol||

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that makes me wonder if albedo decide to live in dragonspine cus of him

anyway i want more albedo events, he is the best

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bruh imagine your brother being the favourite child with all the compliments and knowledge while your mom literally feeds you to her pet dragon 😭

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putting it like that it's both depressing and funny af

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i wish shadows amidst snowstorms wasn't limited ;-;

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the info we got from it is better than what we got in his story quest

it will always be my top 1 event

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fr 💀 like half of his lore was in that event

AND CINNABAR 💀

i wish i played it god 😭

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don't remind me.. i have the weapon but it will forever be r1 cus i didn't know what the materials was and bought everything eles beside them

both dodoco tales and cinnabar deserve to come again

😔

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thats...gotta hurt 😭 ohmygod im sorry

my r4 mailed flower crying

petition for gaa, shadows amidst snowstorms and unreconciled stars to run again

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i want to have option to get certain weapons back, especially the ones that don't have canon character like memory of dust

like i get that the event weapon is like "limited for the event" but weapons like cinnabar suite albedo butter than his "signature"

[ripe sparrow]

i definitely think he’s the reincarnation of the hydro dragon. a lot of people say that it’s kokomi but that just makes no sense because she lives in inazuma and it would be so random. all the fingers point to neuvillette being the reincarnation

when all of the dragons tried to take on the primordial one, the hydro dragon ended up passing away and was reincarnated as a human (source: genshin wiki)

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like this is so incriminating 😭😭

i think a lot of people say it's kokomi due to enkanomiya having a shit ton of vishaps and her constellation is 'sleeping dragon' but neuvillette is so obvious

[ripe sparrow]

yeah definitely

[next berry]

Well, that theory was created and popularized before the Fontaine archon quest, before we even new that Neuvillette existed. People read through the lore, realized or theorized that the hydro dragon was reincarnated as a human. Naturally, they began speculation of who it could be. They looked at Kokomi, with her constellation literally called sleeping dragon, and figured that it could allude to how she's a dragon who doesn't realize it, like the dragon inside her is sleeping. At the end of the day, theories are just theories. No matter how much evidence you round up, it's not officially proven or disproven until you get more official information. In this case, it was a popular belief that was then disproven when more lore and information about Fontaine and the Hydro dragon was revealed.

[next berry]

Venti second story quest

[ripe sparrow]

that’s fair, the theory was definitely still a strong one and it made sense with the evidence that was provided at the time

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ofc, i used to believe it was kokomi for a bit until i looked at the lack of evidence lol

[ripe sparrow]

well i’m pretty sure this derails any theories about lynette being a robot lol

[ripe sparrow]

right after ||navia yelled at neuvillette about his lack of emotion and her father’s deaths||

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(Spoiler?)
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLpgEqKX/

[ripe sparrow]

that definitely has to be about the prophecy right?? “how much longer” - until the events in the prophecy occur

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wait is this real 😭

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yes

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i guess yes, even neuvillette said that she took it seriously

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oh nvm after some trial and error i got it 💀

if only the npcs didn't block out the dialogue 😭

it could be like rukkha's statue whisper

once the fontaine arc is over it might disappear

also what the fuck is this in the trailer

i suspect that might be the previous hydro archon as that is not an oceanid

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or maybe her "archon/original form"? like zhongli is a dragon, venti is a wind spirit.. maybe something similar idk

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the line right after

its either furina's memories got washed away somehow or the previous hydro archon forgot who she was

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wait that's actually cool

i'll rewatch it maybe i could find some clues

it make sense with the "the water is gradually swallowing our memories", but i don't have any other ideas

[ripe sparrow]

”nobody deserves to take the stage more than lady furina” like no, be quiet please

[ripe sparrow]

it could be related to the prophecy

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I can’t be the only one who thinks about this but this new place in Fontaine (I call it Fontaine enkanomiya) looks very alike to enkanomiya which made me wonder whether this place here called “???” Could have a relation with enkanomiya

[ripe sparrow]

the prophecy in the quest basically says that the quest world/fontaine enka is what the world would look like after the cataclysm

[somber ibex]

It also has some rifthounds which are closely linked to the abyss and khaenri’ah as a whole

[neon marsh]

Are these not these same exact place

wtf

[somber ibex]

Nope

[neon marsh]

im not very up to date with fontaine exploration

thats insane

[somber ibex]

For context: Enkanomiya is on the left and Fontaine Enkanomiya is on the right

[ripe sparrow]

no, first picture is original enka, second is from a fontaine quest called “book of esoteric revelations”

[somber ibex]

But these are not the exact same places they are different however share a lot of similarities

[ripe sparrow]

yep, so we’re discussing how they might be connected

[somber ibex]

Mainly the aesthetic of the buildings and how they have broken paths

[ripe sparrow]

the book said that rifthounds were named after the “passages” in khaenriah that it called “Beastly Rifts”, which is how the name “rifthounds” came to be

[neon marsh]

i mean they also have the same symbol/shape on the floor so yeah

[ripe sparrow]

so yeah rifthounds are very connected to khaenriah

[somber ibex]

Yea especially bc they were created by Rhinedottir

[ripe sparrow]

oh wait i know this one

albedo’s mother right?

[somber ibex]

Yes

She created Albedo and “primordial Albedo” too

She also accidentally created the golden wolflord

[ripe sparrow]

yep, i am so not up to date on albedo’s lore

[somber ibex]

I know his lore very well 😭

Bc excluding the archons I think he has the most interesting lore in the whole game IMO

[ripe sparrow]

is there lore in his story quest? because i’m going to unlock it today

[somber ibex]

(And no It’s not bc im biased bc i love Albedo)

[ripe sparrow]

definitely, i would say it’s the most complex out of everyone’s

[somber ibex]

Nope it’s just experiments 😔

[ripe sparrow]

aww

[neon marsh]

very minor quotes at the end of his story quest

most of it is from old events

[somber ibex]

Either the game is saving it for something (bc they did a brief overview in 2.3) or forgetting about it

[ripe sparrow]

oh right, i missed a ton of old events because i joined in 2022

[somber ibex]

Same

[neon marsh]

i watched replays of them on yt

[ripe sparrow]

yeah i might do that

[somber ibex]

But it’s strange how there is an Enkanomiya like place in Fontaine

Except the sky seems to be shattered

[ripe sparrow]

on a different note, i would say this piece of dialogue isn’t too far off in terms of traveler’s strength lore-wise

[somber ibex]

Definitely

[ripe sparrow]

i just found that interesting lol not sure what to make of it

[somber ibex]

The shattered sky is very interesting as well

If I remember Enkanomiya lore, didn’t Orobashi help the ppl of Enkanomiya get to the surface?

I’m not sure whether ppl were trapped in this “Enkanomiya” or not

[ripe sparrow]

i doubt it, because at that point in the story we hadn’t talked about or introduced fontaine

[somber ibex]

True

[ripe sparrow]

i think this is a “dreamscape” (that’s what they called it) that the author of the book created based off of what they thought the world would look like after the cataclysm

”a world where not even sweet flowers or mint would grow”

[somber ibex]

True

[ripe sparrow]

i could be wrong though

[somber ibex]

I’m excited to see whether the game is gonna further develop the area or abandon it like they did with enka

[ripe sparrow]

yeah, i still haven’t finished enka quests lol

[somber ibex]

I have

[ripe sparrow]

i stopped when i got to the rifthounds, they’re so scary lmao

i should do that tho

anyways

[somber ibex]

Rift hounds aren’t that bad

[ripe sparrow]

oh wait hold on fontaine is definitely connected to enka

[somber ibex]

[ripe sparrow]

the prophecy that said that the dragon of water would be reborn in human form was originally discovered by orobashi in enka

[somber ibex]

There’s already theories saying that Neuvillette is the hydro dragon but human

[ripe sparrow]

he’s definitely the hydro dragon

he supposedly doesn’t have a vision

[somber ibex]

And considering how close he is with Furina

[somber ibex]

And no constellation either

[ripe sparrow]

and many different dialogues point to rain stopping and starting when he is sad or not

[somber ibex]

I feel like Neuvillette is very important in the story

[ripe sparrow]

this was right after navia yelled at neuvillette about her dad’s trial and duel, and about neuvillette’s apathy and lack of emotion

[somber ibex]

Yea I have a feeling Neuvillette is the hydro dragon

[ripe sparrow]

and then this as well

[somber ibex]

This was after he went to Callas’s grave I think-

And payed respects to Navia’s father

[ripe sparrow]

it was, he was at callas’ grave and it was raining, and navia came up to him

and she apologized to him, then we talked to him and he got happier and the rain stopped

[somber ibex]

Either he has a relation with the dragon or he is the dragon

And no vision either with an unknown constellation

[ripe sparrow]

i believe wholeheartedly that he’s the dragon

[somber ibex]

If the constellation is revealed in the game and it has the word “Draco” in it (it means dragon in Latin) he’s got a relation with the dragon

[ripe sparrow]

yep

[somber ibex]

Or Fontaine can do what Inazuma did and not have a dragon

I think Inazuma did have a dragon but I’m not 100% sure

[somber ibex]

The fact that they’re keeping the constellation name hidden shows that neuvillette has a lot more to him than when we first saw him

(I like it when the game introduces us to a character where we learn little to nothing about them which ends up having more mystery to them and more theories)

[ripe sparrow]

i believe it did, something happened between the dragon and ei (if i’m correct she killed it) and now it’s gone, i’m not 100% sure though

[ripe sparrow]

yesss

best types of characters

[somber ibex]

I always thought that Orobashi was the electro dragon ;w;

[ripe sparrow]

oh? i haven’t heard that theory before

[somber ibex]

That explains why instead of fighting another dragon we fight the puppet

[ripe sparrow]

yeah

hold on i’m gonna confirm

[somber ibex]

Oke

[ripe sparrow]

ok so yes raiden killed the dragon towards the end of the archon war, but orabashi was not the dragon

[somber ibex]

Yea bc I remembered that Orobashi was more affiliated to watatsumi island

[ripe sparrow]

he and the dragon were enemies apparently

[somber ibex]

I Wonder how many of the seven dragon sovereigns were killed-

[ripe sparrow]

i know that in the war between the dragons and the heavenly principles, the hydro dragon and a dragon named “nibelung” were killed by the heavenly principles, and ei’s dragon was killed in the archon war, but i don’t know others

i think there was one more that dottore killed

[somber ibex]

There are only 3 dragon sovereigns which are:

Apep
Nibelung
And dragon of water

[ripe sparrow]

?

[somber ibex]

Nibelung died during the war of the heavenly principles

[somber ibex]

huh

[ripe sparrow]

my reaction exactly

google tells me that it was a mondstadt dragon named ursa the drake

[somber ibex]

[ripe sparrow]

wait apep is still alive tho, corrupted by forbidden knowledge, but alive nonetheless

[somber ibex]

Yea

During the story quest we fight the immune system of apep

[ripe sparrow]

are these the ones that died in the war?

[somber ibex]

One died in the war with the heavenly principles

[ripe sparrow]

oh i thought 2 did

nibelung and hydro dragon

[somber ibex]

I looked on the wiki and it says that “a prophecy in Enkanomiya claims that a new dragon of water will be born in human form”

[ripe sparrow]

yep, that’s the prophecy that orobashi got

[elder nebula]

i thought all dragons were dead apart from apep 😭

dendro is special

last element to be released, archon was not in khaenriah during the cataclysm etc.

[ripe sparrow]

lolol

dvalin is alive and azdaha is alive though

[elder nebula]

neither of them are part of the primordial though ;-;

[loud quest]

it's kind of funny to me that apep is the dragon of sumeru while its giant snake/demon of CHAOS in Egyptian mythology

i love the dragons lore but it confuses me so much

also i just wanted to say as the OP of this post, thank for everyone here for sharing my nerdy side

[elder nebula]

yooo me too, im an avid lore enthusiast + reader so this thread is arguably my favourite on this server LOOL

[ripe sparrow]

ohh my mistake

[ripe sparrow]

aa same, it makes me so happy to share the things i know and learn so much more interesting lore on this thread

[loud quest]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLGNPqFK/

i can already tell that fontaine will give us great lore just by this

[ripe sparrow]

holy crap

does that mean it’s connected to both enka and the chasm?

i can’t wait to get more of the archon quest

[loud quest]

possible, they both "underground" afterall

[ripe sparrow]

yeah, i’m hoping hoyo expands more on iy

it

[elder nebula]

oh my god??

im so excited for 4.5 now

i'm really hoping we get more info on the 'sinner' and the loom/thread/weave fate fiasco

also abyss sibling interaction please

perhaps the place is also a remnant of the first civilisation of teyvat, like enkanomiya

[ripe sparrow]

two nails, ready to drop
sorry picture is very low quality

[loud quest]

I just noticed how big it looks from fontaine

I kinda miss the 2d model lol

[ripe sparrow]

yeah it’s definitely close to fontaine

2d model was nice but the 3d is also good because less glitches

[elder nebula]

ok hear me out but like what if it dropped during the fontaine archon quest

not at all likely but a girl can dream

(mainly because celestia is supposedly dormant after the cataclysm, which is actually super sus because i suspect our sibling had something to do with it)

[loud quest]

idk why but i immediately remembered morax "death" scene

we already seen a fallen nail on chasm and dargonspine

And both locations considered as kind of abandoned

[ripe sparrow]

ok so apparently there was a nail dropped in sumeru desert as well

or should i say what is now the sumeru desert

and then according to youtube there was one in tsurumi?

which would make 4 in all, one for each region i guess

[ripe sparrow]

i wishhh that would be so cool

but it would be kind of pointless because then fontaine would just be wiped out and the quest would end 💀

[loud quest]

that makes me wonder if there's a reason for it they choose where to "let the nail fall" like it can't be just random location

[elder nebula]

i like to think it's those that challenged celestia or got too advanced

like sal vindagnyr ||HOW DO YOU SPELL IT HELP ME||

and the princess who could see the future

i also wonder how the hell celestia managed to get a nail in the chasm 💀

like did it just spawn there or

a very important thing to celestia it seems is staying in power, from their actions it looks like they don't want to be overpowered

now my question is how and why are the heavenly principles dormant

[ripe sparrow]

yes definitely, celestia is seemingly very worried about being overthrown

ALSO i figured out that celestia and swc (second who came) are the same thing

[elder nebula]

YEAH I HAD A THEORY HERE TOO

let my dumbass find it

[ripe sparrow]

we’ve had a lot of theories here lmao

[elder nebula]

found it 💀💀

this one and the one below actually

[elder nebula]

i scrolled through so much 😭

[elder nebula]

it would actually make equal sense as phanes winning, because phanes was so nice to his people

and then

well we got celestia who is essentially a corrupt government but teyvat 💀

[loud quest]

HUH

[elder nebula]

now i would think of it, it would actually make more sense than phanes celestia

the motivations are definitely more solid

[ripe sparrow]

i believe so, i forgot where i found this so source is gonna be trust me pls

[elder nebula]

another fact supporting this is that the people of enkanomiya (remnants of the first civilisation) are referred to as 'sinners', and since they follow phanes it would make sense if he was the 'great sinner'

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh yeah that makes a lot of sense

[elder nebula]

it doesn't help they were called sinners by ENJOU.

AN ABYSS LECTOR 💀💀

(who is probably also a sinner)

[ripe sparrow]

thank you, you just reminded me to finish enka quest

[loud quest]

This portal from world quest and the abyss twin portal seems very similar.. is it abyss energy? or something eles?

[ripe sparrow]

it looks very similar to all abyss portals, which makes me wonder if this quest world could be related to abyss as well

ok this is very random but in the caribert quest, clothar was led to start the abyss order by a person called “the sinner” and we also hear the voice of this “sinner”

earlier in this thread we were discussing orobashi and how he found “before sun and moon” and was punished by celestia for reading it

does that make it possible that orobashi was the “sinner”? it might be unlikely since orobashi was killed by raiden and from then on didn’t really have an impact on the story but it could be possible due to him being the one that read before sun and moon

sorry if that rant didn’t make sense lol

[elder nebula]

hmm, i'd say unlikely as orobashi would've held influence over the abyss order (or the abyss as a whole), and it seems like orobashi is long dead. along with that, i doubt the 'great sinner' would be anyone after the 40 year war with swc as whatever happened there is obviously being covered up, and orobashi did not pose as big a threat by reading a book compared to the other firsthand participant of the war

also ain't no way the leader of the abyss got absolutely nuked by raiden who isn't believed to be the most powerful archon 💀

[ripe sparrow]

yeah, my brain was whirling when i was writing that and i was going off of very little info so i realize now that it makes very little sense

i was just thinking about how the book could’ve influenced things

but yeah there’s no way that raiden could’ve killed the leader of the abyss when for most of her life as archon she was hated and feared by like 2/3 of her people lmao

however this brings up another question for me (if you know the answer please say) which is what was the item that the sinner’s voice coming from? was it a divine nail that was possessed by abyssal energy? was it just a piece of rock? could it have come from the abyss? like what was it?

[elder nebula]

i have no idea, but it was most probably something to do with this lil chonkus as the voice was inside our head

[ripe sparrow]

yeah definitely connected to the statue

can’t wait for 4.1 to come out so i can look at whether celestia has moved or not

someone said it’s not following us, its following paimon which i thought was interesting

on one hand: it could be following traveler because it has already seen our sibling as a “sinner” and now is trying to see what we’ll do
on the other hand: it could be following paimon because she really is connected to the unknown god or has some other connection to celestia + the gods

found this line during enka quest

[loud quest]

in the opening cutscene from the beta, the traveler was the one who first wake up and saw the other twin (chained),
and in-game we've seen the statue of the seven and whatever this "thing" (referring to the pic lol) chained
and i heard a theory before that the beta cutscene might be what the abyss sibling saw, cus in the current game we know that the traveler woke up after their twin

also this is the opening cutscene from the beta if u guys didn't see it:

https://youtu.be/Su8ulKHlMLU?si=ACjBgHn-Yw86kYMv

but in both scenarios i don't get why would they leave without the other twin

like if the traveler woke up first and saw fking chain on their twin and just let it be go travel????
or in where the traveler woke up after, why they left (ik the abyss twin look after us but why not waiting?)

[ripe sparrow]

in the beta scene, it seems as though we don’t realize that what we were dreaming of was real

also the person narrating in the beginning is venti i think??

someone said it was venti

[elder nebula]

sounds like it

i know my husband's voice

[ripe sparrow]

which brings us back around to our “venti is strongest/most important archon” theory

i mean the fact that it’s his voice implies that he knows what happened between us and our twin, despite the fact that i don’t think we told him the full story

[loud quest]

So bringing back the archons = demons thing
I saw this in twitter (im not calling it X)

If the traveler meant to be lucifer maybe the abyss twin is considered as where he is astray from god?

and the traveler will be Helel the name lucifer held before his punishment from heaven

THE THEORY IS EXPANDING PEOPLE 🔥

[ripe sparrow]

oh wait that’s actually a really good theory

i love that

[elder nebula]

fuck you're right

we're on the path to celestia (heaven) after our sibling dropped out and follows the abyss (hell) and we are following in their footsteps (bp cutscene)

or maybe abyss sibling (lumi for simplicity) did actually reach celestia but it wasn't as she thought it would be, and they tricked her into signing something which either is the destiny she is fighting or could be her exile from heaven

as she was 'summoned to the heavens'

[elder nebula]

the only deadnaming i accept is twitter

[ripe sparrow]

aa stop coming up with good theories

[loud quest]

if we don't get celestia related content in next patches im going to be disappointed

[ripe sparrow]

sameeee, like celestia is basically right over what i’m pretty sure will be a new fontaine region so if it’s just sitting there i’ll be disappointed

i mean it literally has two (or more) divine nails ready and we’ve already had one dropped in each region so mayyybe one will drop during the archon quest

and it would make more sense because if that region is farther away from the city, a nail could be dropped more realistically

idk that’s just my thinking

[ripe sparrow]

coincidence?? i think not

they fatui mention the “old world” alot

and since their goal is to basically cleanse the world of wrongdoing (or something like that, feel free to correct me), a “new world” would probably be the world after they accomplish their goal and cleanse the world

[primal mango]

I think they meant something about the secret of Teyvat and Celestia

[ripe sparrow]

yeah, we’ve had theories about this in here and i think one was that the fatui know the true nature of this world and are trying to fix it

one person on youtube had a really good theory

[elder nebula]

oh my god how have i never thought about us travelling in time 💀 we'll probably get help from istaroth too

WAIT THAT MEANS ISTAROTH CONTENT

YAYYYYY

[lilac patrol]

I think it's pretty common knowledge that Nara varuna is our twin

But like I just finished that quest and I HATED it

[elder nebula]

lmao i loved it

i sat through the dialogue on 2 accounts and actually enjoyed it 😭

[ripe sparrow]

oh my god i hope so

still haven't started aranara quest lol, i'm trying to speedrun meka event before it's gone

[loud quest]

"loom of fate"

i have this theory
maybe the abyss twin destiny change the moment they joined the abyss? and that's why the irminsul count them as "they BELONG to this world" the abyss sibling needs to be 'included' in teyvat, not that they are FROM it
so after we end up with our journey it's our part to understand it and reweave the threads of fate and by that we let our sibling free from the abyss (as dain said "rescue") and the abyss sibling have faith that we'll be able to and that's maybe why they said that we have enough time

i tried my best writing my thought i hope it's clear enough

[lilac patrol]

I have this theory

I think that genshin, star rail and honkai impact 3rd are in the same universe

So like

It may sound crazy

But I think the abyss was the result of a stellaron

And as well as the honkai corruption in hi3

[ripe sparrow]

i saw someone say that the harbingers are based off of hi3 chars as well, i think your theory definitely makes sense

[elder nebula]

tbh i thought they were all bubble universes in the imaginary tree

i think it was stated in the official genshin impact server somewhere but i can't find it anymore

or maybe im just tripping idk 😭

[lilac patrol]

Guys be honest

Would kianna (finality) absolutely destroy the teyvat universe alone?

I'm pretty sure she could and would

[elder nebula]

she could sneeze and the vast majority of teyvat would be deleted

[lilac patrol]

Exactly

I'm very sure archons are connected to hi3

[elder nebula]

i mean raiden ei and raiden mei is 💀

[lilac patrol]

Venti - Wendy

Raiden ei and mei

Theresa and nahida

[elder nebula]

praying tsaritsa bronya expy

[lilac patrol]

Furina is pretty much selee

And mutura is

Himeko

I think

[elder nebula]

yeah major himeko

[lilac patrol]

Oh and I think the

Irminsul is the imaginary tree

[elder nebula]

a mini version

[lilac patrol]

And we would possibly get 2 new elements, light and dark

Light would be exclusively for the traveller

Meanwhile dark would be for dainsleif

[elder nebula]

oh so basically untangling our sibling from the threads of fate? we have to save them from destiny

that would make a scary amount of sense as i like to think they are tied down by the threads of fate

[lilac patrol]

I literally don't have two shots about our sibling

*shits

Well if they wanted to go with us they WOULDN'T keep HIDING

[elder nebula]

i do lol

[elder nebula]

i think they literally can't, they are basically trapped by fate

[loud quest]

In my theory they aren't hiding, they unable to be with us cus of the abyss

[elder nebula]

i wanna know how they got there lmao

[lilac patrol]

What is the abyss doing? Holding them back by their ass hair??

[loud quest]

U get me (high five🖐️)

[lilac patrol]

What do you mean by fateee

[elder nebula]

✋

[lilac patrol]

You decide your own fate

[loud quest]

We really don't know the cause of abyss plans

[elder nebula]

the loom of fate

huh

[lilac patrol]

I never really got that thing

[loud quest]

THAT WHY I SAY THE ABYSS SIBLING DESTINY MAY CHANGED

[lilac patrol]

Like wth does it mean

[lilac patrol]

SO ITS BY CHOICE

Also

Zhongli maybe a descender

Or venti

🙃

[elder nebula]

if we add that to my celestial contract theory maybe that's how they got stuck

[lilac patrol]

Oh yeahh

[elder nebula]

if it helps the battlepass cutscenes clears stuff up

like maybe how we can't leave

[lilac patrol]

In my theory venti is a descender because in one of his voice lines he says that "we meet again... Huh, you don't know me...? Nevermind"

[elder nebula]

i thought that implies a past that may have been deleted from our memories or they saw the abyss sibling in their prime

[elder nebula]

adding to this didn't we get stripped of our powers

we couldn't leave even if they wanted to 😭

[lilac patrol]

I like to think that venti still remember kusanali

[elder nebula]

well yeah kusanali's alive

[lilac patrol]

Because he knows all songs, of the past present and future

I mean the old dendro archon

[elder nebula]

oh rukkha

[lilac patrol]

No shit I forgot

Yeah rukkadevta

[loud quest]

Back to loom of fate in caribert quest caribert somehow "became" the loom of fate after he absorbed the abyss energy

[elder nebula]

ooh interesting

[lilac patrol]

Genshin logic 👍✌️😘

[elder nebula]

is this loom even an object

[loud quest]

I think it's a concept

[lilac patrol]

I mean it just appears in a cutscene

[elder nebula]

im imagining a dead hilichurl warped into a loom shape 😭

[lilac patrol]

No the thing is a mirror

[elder nebula]

wasn't that just a mirror caribert saw and freaked out

[lilac patrol]

It could very well be materialized abyss energy designed to mess with our mind and it freaked out caribert aswell

[elder nebula]

i think caribert freaked out because when you look in the mirror you don't really expect to see an alien instead of your face

just me tho

[elder nebula]

wait dyk why dain legit says 'defeat me, command me to step aside, and then the threads of all fate will be yours to reweave' like what does he have to do with the loom

[loud quest]

We know that dain traveled with our sibling so maybe the 'fate' got connected with him too?

[elder nebula]

ah so he got dragged down too?

[loud quest]

IDK ITS STARTING TO CONFUSE ME

[lilac patrol]

I just realised Chongyun does not make an appearance in the story at all

He doesn't even have a hangout

[elder nebula]

he does wtf

it was the first hangout i ever did

[loud quest]

HE DOES

Don't ever disrespect my boy like that again (joking)

[lilac patrol]

Wait he does

Wow

[loud quest]

Rethinking this, the irminsul can hold the "memories" of whole teyvat but also people/events can be completely DELETED without anyone knowing
I don't think we know the source of irminsul powers (we might and i just don't remember) but when in the trailer dottore BURNT IT is that the game/loop restarting? Or is it just a way to "burn old world"? Or am i overthinking something that will never happen?

The thing we know for sure venti knows things we don't, maybe related to istaroth since she's god of wind and ^time^ afterall

If it turns out that the end of the game is just restarting the loop I'd be mad

[elder nebula]

same 💀 i really hope to end it or something and witness the 'true' teyvat

also i was watching fischl's hi3 trailer

fischl what the fuck 💀

[ripe sparrow]

fischl has a hi3 trailer?? i had no idea

also i found this locked withering zone (if you get close enough you will take enough damage to kill a 13k hp char in about 30 seconds) and i was wondering if anyone knows what’s happening with it

it looks super cool but you can barely get close or else paimon forces you to go awat

away

[ripe sparrow]

it’s this blue patch on the map

[elder nebula]

ah you unlock that with the aranyaka questline, it's known as old vanarana

[elder nebula]

there has a hi3 x genshin collab 2 years ago and fischl is now a hi3 character too ^^

[elder nebula]

note once you unlock it you'll be able to enter freely without dying

[ripe sparrow]

ohh thank you

[ripe sparrow]

holy shit

now that i know basic albedo lore this hits hard

[loud quest]

Albedo is the best mond character imo

I really wish we could see the 'other side' of albedo someday

[ripe sparrow]

he’s so cool, i want more in game lore about him

[somber ibex]

SUSBEDO WEEKLY BOSS WHEN

[somber ibex]

Real we need Albedo boss

[elder nebula]

personally a venti fan, although kinda waiting for his character death 😭

no way hoyoverse's gotten this far in genshin without killing anyone

they're gonna nuke half the cast in khaenriah im calling it now

both venti and albedo have death flags

[loud quest]

OMG YES

[somber ibex]

LET ALBEDO HAVE A TRANSFORMATION SIMILAR TO RAIDEN AND MAKE HIM BE A BOSS

[elder nebula]

listen shadows in snowstorms pt2 with susbedo and cinnabar rerun

[somber ibex]

Or Albedo story quest act 2

[elder nebula]

I NEED RHINEDOTTIR CONTENT

girl started the cataclysm and dipped

[somber ibex]

Rhinedottir: Starts cataclysm
Khaenri’ah: confused on why it got destroyed
Rhinedottir: leaves without a trace

[ripe sparrow]

lmao literally, like is she dead or still living, is she involved in abyss or fatui, what’s happening (again i don’t know albedo lore so if anyone can answer these questions please do)

[chrome vine]

I think shes alive (hexenzirkel)

[ripe sparrow]

oh thank you

[elder nebula]

she went missing after discovering an artifact called 'the heart of naberius' and right before she disappeared she left albedo with his final mission which was to 'discover the truth of this world'

so her status is currently unknown

[ripe sparrow]

OHH that's why he wants to discover the truth of this world

[elder nebula]

artifact probably had like +50% crit dmg

she left her son for it 😭

[ripe sparrow]

i found it so weird that he was just studying that, barely anyone know that a truth of this world even exists

[elder nebula]

actually

is rhinedottir a descender

[ripe sparrow]

i'm currently going down a huge rabbit hole of things concerning cataclysm, rhinedottir, durin, and all of that stuff lmao i'm trying to learn as much as possible about albedo's lore n stuff

[ripe sparrow]

hold on doesn't the inteyvat have the same description

the inteyvat flower

[elder nebula]

she constantly uses weird shit in her inventions that are made from 'a material not from this world'

like sis

what are you using 😭

wait im gonna check the rifthound description

[ripe sparrow]

she might actually have the same type of situation as our twin, marked as a descender by irminsul but not actually from our world

[elder nebula]

our twin isn't marked as a descender i think

[ripe sparrow]

oh really?

[elder nebula]

that's the whole 'oh fuck am i adopted' thing

lemme check

[ripe sparrow]

didn't nahida say that our twin was classified as "from this world" by irminsul?

[elder nebula]

yeah she did

but a descender according to the fatui is someone not from this world

[ripe sparrow]

ohh

i messed it up

oh sorry i have to go, i'll try to come back later

[next berry]

Oh I hated the meka storyline. Like, I don't care about ur business or ur relationship with ur brother

[ripe sparrow]

it was a genuinely bad event, most of the games were pretty good but story was just boring

[loud quest]

I skipped the whole thing tbh and i don't regret it at all

[ripe sparrow]

that is very valid

[ripe sparrow]

albedo quest was so interesting omg
and now that i’m reading his lore it’s even more so

he ||wasn’t just trying to see if the traveler could stop him if he lost control, he wanted to know if the traveler is like him and has the same type of power that he does|| (albedo quest spoilers) that’s just my theory by the way

[elder nebula]

i agree, we know rhinedottir experimented with stuff 'not of this world' and we're...well

(rifthound desc)

[loud quest]

in my theory, i believe rhinedottir have some control over him since well she made him
but with 2.3 event in mind i can imagine the other "subjects" have the ability to maybe manipulate albedo or at least change his mind

fanarts effects my view into possible lore/theories so much it's not even funny

[loud quest]

New theory alert🗣

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLK8WfMq/

[ripe sparrow]

if i’m correct, 2.3 was the shadows event right? i don’t remember the full name

[elder nebula]

i saw minsleif's og video and i believe this wholeheartedly 💀

we know that the oratrice HAS a consciousness, just not why

it's either the triplet theory for me or furina trapped the consciousness of the previous hydro archon into the oratrice, which is why the oceanids hate her

most likely the triplet theory though 😭

[elder nebula]

yep, the event was called shadows amidst snowstorms ^^

[ripe sparrow]

OH I WAS READING ABOUT THIS
the hydro archon theory makes sense, it’s also possible that furina put part of her conciousness into the oratrice which is why we see two different sides of her - her emotions and the oratrice’s “emotions” or verdict

however the two sides of furina could also just be her real emotions and the show that she feels she has to put on for her citizens

[elder nebula]

ooh yeah i can see that

furina is very centred around the dual personality theme which i love

[ripe sparrow]

one of my theories about furina was that she inherited the gnosis/her archon status. although furina knows how to captivate (or should i say control) her citizens, she doesn’t seem to have any raw power and is generally very insecure and unsure of herself. she doesn’t seem to trust every decision she makes, yet she rushes into things without thinking too much (ex. in the trial against lyney and/or childe, she acts confident but we see her second side of being scared when the traveler gives good evidence). she seems more like a performer meant to fill a role, rather than a powerful archon

i don’t know how she would “inherit” the role of archon though

[elder nebula]

along those lines, maybe its a raiden situation? like she was created by the previous hydro archon as a replacement bcs she knew she was gonna die or something

[ripe sparrow]

oh yeah, that’s a good point. she also has the oratrice, which could’ve been a sort of protection measure to prevent wrongful convictions made by furina

[elder nebula]

i'm really curious into the previous hydro archon, as i believe we caught a glimpse of her in the trailer

[ripe sparrow]

we did?

[elder nebula]

also the fact she's a pond in the sumeru desert now 💀

[ripe sparrow]

would it be in the fontaine trailer?

yeah lmao, she just became a pool of water

[elder nebula]

its not confirmed, but i believe we did

[ripe sparrow]

what trailer? i’d like to watcg

watch

[elder nebula]

its this one lol

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh thank you

[elder nebula]

i think she says the fountain oceanid lines but that is not an oceanid 💀

[ripe sparrow]

it reminds me of what happened with nahida and rukkhedevata

[ripe sparrow]

no it is not lmao

waittt theory forming

what if the oceanids dislike furina because they see her as an imposter? maybe they don’t see her as a good archon, or they just don’t like how she replaced the hydro archon

like how they literally locked nahida away because they were mad at her for taking rukkhedevata’s place

[elder nebula]

yeah, the oceanids are still loyal to the previous hydro archon

it's defo either that or furina committed a massive sin

actually hang on

[ripe sparrow]

?

[elder nebula]

in 3.8, idyia said they were being exiled from fontaine and had to take the route through the sumeru desert which is coincidentally where amrita pool is

so what if they got exiled together

[ripe sparrow]

whoa

that’s a solid theory

[ripe sparrow]

ok so i have a theory about albedo’s story quest: ||what if the whole quest was related to the art of khemia? i think it’s possible that albedo was simultaneously trying to see if we are able to use art of khemia and trying to warn us/demonstrate it to us. he wants to know if we are the same as him, as well as if we’d be able to save him in the event that he loses control (hence the line “if one day, i lose control… destroy mondstadt… destroy everything… can i rely on you to stop me?”). also, when albedo picks up the dead twig and turns it into a living branch again, i highly doubt that was something you can do with regular alchemy. i think it’s likely he was testing us to see if we would recognize what he was doing. if i’m not mistaken, art of khemia is centered around creating synthetic life (albedo is a synthetic human and one of his master’s greatest achievements) because khaenriah had very few plants or other organisms. so albedo’s reviving of the branch aligns with what the art of khemia is. if we had been scared or startled when he used the art, it likely would have revealed that we knew what he was doing, and albedo would have learned that we too know the art of khemia. however, we didn’t, and so he switched to testing our strength and any other powers to instead see if we could stop him.|| anyways that’s my theory, i don’t know where i’m going with it lol. sorry if it’s super repetitive

i just realized its also super long lmao sorry

[somber ibex]

Nah dw i see what u mean though

[ripe sparrow]

ok good to know, felt like i was just rambling lol

[next berry]

Wait, what is the aet of khemia and where does it show up in the rest of the lore?

[ripe sparrow]

art of khemia is an alchemy technique developed in khaenriah. it’s based around creating new life (synthetic life) because khaenriah was underground and had very few plants and animals. mastering the art of khemia was considered the top thing an alchemist could acheive. it shows up in albedo’s lore because he was created by rhinedottir through art of khemia, and was taught the technique by her as well. he’s able to use the art of khemia as a result.

[loud quest]

im back with more of my fav "theory": archons = demons
so guoba 'god/demon' name is marchosias
the first obvious thing they both spews fire from their mouth
also people summon marchosias (the demon) if they need a healthy power and motivation in their life
and guoba exhausted his strength when he placed it to the land in liyue "to keep it vitalized"
also fun fact: Marchosias name seems to come from Latin "oven" and guoba is the god of stove

[ripe sparrow]

that makes a ton of sense

ok so this is a very very basic theory that has probably already been said but paimon is a demon name. since every god in the game has a demonic name or a name associated with demons, this could definitely be another piece in the paimon is a god (unknown god?) theory

even the twins don't have demonic names, so that is a pretty big indicator that paimon is a god (and likely an imporant one because let's be real here, it's genshin. they wouldn't just make her a random god)

[loud quest]

Actually the theory I started this post with is "what if paimon was a fallen archon" lol
Like she got punishment from heavenly principles or something

[ripe sparrow]

that actually makes way more sense

and it makes more sense than “we fished paimon out of a pond”

[loud quest]

The thing that makes paimon really sus aside from everything eles, no one knows WHO or WHAT is paimon??

[elder nebula]

yeah that's what i think too, i feel like she witnessed something she shouldn't have and was banished and stripped of her powers + memories, and she was an archon/god in the previous samsara

[ripe sparrow]

which brings us back to the “paimom was unknown god in previous samsara” theory

[lilac patrol]

Hello?? You forgot witch woman??

Lisa will die

And ofcourse we have the already dead

Uh I forgot her name

[somber ibex]

Ria was talking about how hoyoverse have gone this far without killing any of the playable characters bc half of them have death flags e.g. Lisa

[lilac patrol]

Well

Uh

[somber ibex]

While yes I do theorise that Lisa might die because she has a ton of death flags (and so does Childe) we don’t know whether the devs will actually kill off playable characters

[lilac patrol]

That one harbinger died

[somber ibex]

Signora

She asked for it

[lilac patrol]

I really hope childe dies

I hate his ass so much

[somber ibex]

I would have mixed feelings if he did

While yes it’s good for the plot but his family

[lilac patrol]

What if albedo goes berserk and we have to kill him

When dorman port releases

[somber ibex]

We are really the only ones who can purify durins blood so if he does get corrupted

[lilac patrol]

Could be a possibility

[somber ibex]

We don’t even know where his impostor is

[lilac patrol]

Jail

[somber ibex]

Nah he just dipped after 2.3

Came in 2.3
Said something
Refused to elaborate
Left

Also 1.2 event

“Was the two of us meeting really a good thing?”

[elder nebula]

she's still alive??

last time i checked she was canonically alive lol

[elder nebula]

signora was never playable 💀

there are those with death flags but still alive, which is why i'm saying i'm surprised no one's dead

another thing is that i downloaded hi3 a week ago and himeko is already dead 💀💀

they killed her FAST, and tingyun died 2 patches into honkai star rail, and yet we are well into version 4.0 of genshin's fontaine and every playable character is still breathing

i'm also convinced venti and the tsaritsa have massive death flags, and even though venti is arguably my favourite character in the game i can't wait to see how they kill him off 😭

[lilac patrol]

He will probably die in his 2nd story quest

I don't understand why yoimiya got a second story quest?

She is the only non archon that has two story quests

[ripe sparrow]

i just want to get his lore before they do because if they kill him off and never give us any more lore i will cry

like his full lore because he has so many mysteries

also this is random but lyney has to know about our twin right? we haven’t told him anything but he’s a member of the fatui and likely knows about our situation. also like no this type of thing just doesn’t happen, lyney don’t pretend you know nothing about flowers

[elder nebula]

right? although i think they'll nuke him in khaenriah or hopefully a possessed/evil barbatos arc where he goes all manipulative and batshit crazy 👀

[elder nebula]

ooh, i didn't notice that o.O not all fatui have access to what the harbingers know, but assuming the nature of his mission he might have been informed by arlecchino

[ripe sparrow]

it would make sense, and because he denied knowing anything about flowers a couple lines later

[elder nebula]

true true, fontaine is teased to basically be a fuck ton of lies though so we might not find out

[elder nebula]

actually continuing with this- each archon has performed the ultimate act of their virtue at the end of the archon quest eg. venti setting dvalin free, zhongli signing the final contract etc. this leads me to believe that the tsaritsa will commit the act of ultimate love, which might be self sacrifice.

on the topic of fontaine though, furina might commit the act of ultimate justice which is gonna be 👀👀

[loud quest]

I actually believe that tsaritsa is doing the right thing but in the wrong way

[ripe sparrow]

that seems to be the point of the fatui, (besides dotorre so far) their goals and morals seem to be on the right track

[ripe sparrow]

i forget where i heard this (might’ve been a dain voiceline) but i think it was said that she loves her people so much that she doesn’t have any more love leftover, so committing self-sacrifice could definitely be her final act of love

[loud quest]

First yes it was dain
Second I just imagined a scenario based on this
(on the last minutes before her sacrifice): "I'm dearly sorry for all of you, I thought I was doing the right thing, I thought that I'm able to shield by giving you all my love... Turns out I was wrong. And still the only thing I can give you is my love, goodbye"

[ripe sparrow]

I LOVE THATTT

[loud quest]

thank u

[ripe sparrow]

of course

<3

[next berry]

It's come full circle lmao

[ripe sparrow]

saw a thing on twitter saying that furina does not have the hydro gnosis in her drip art (not sure if this is completely true) which would support the theory that the oratrice runs off of the gnosis and furina has no idea how to use it

[neon marsh]

she does not (the drip art is in the #updates channel if you wanna go check it out)

[ripe sparrow]

thanks!

continuing: so far furina has excersised no real power over her people except for the knowledge that if they do something wrong, the oratrice will sniff it out no matter what. it's really neuvillette and the oratrice the people are scared of, and furina is more a kind of "entertainment" but shouldn't she have wayyy more power as an archon? even without her gnosis raiden was still able to A. maintain the space her conciousness was in, B. create raiden shogun, and C. give the shogun orders + part of her conciousness, all without a gnosis. this brings me back to the theory that furina does not know how to be an archon and/or did not want to be the archon in the first place. the oceanids can tell she's not as powerful as the previous hydro archon and therefore don't like her. her whole situation as archon is really weird. and the fact that she's very unsure and insecure behind the facade she puts on (we see this when it shows her "second side" during the trial and when the oratrice declares childe guilty, she obviously has no idea what happened) implies she has literally no idea what she's doing other than knowing she has to put on a show for her people

that was probably very repetetive sorry about that

OH and the fact that the hydro vision is not behind her in her drip marketing likely means that she has no real control over her people

[elder nebula]

she might be a fraud

like she isn't the real hydro archon and miss girl knows it

le imposter

aint no way an ARCHON was begging for her life 😭💀

[ripe sparrow]

definitely lmao

i highly doubt she has any godly power

[elder nebula]

but as you said, she doesn't seem to know how to be an archon, implying she might be an impersonator

[ripe sparrow]

yeah, she's so so so scared of making a mistake or misstep

there's no way she was in the archon war and survived right?

[elder nebula]

she should have some powers but like

not archon

[ripe sparrow]

yeah

[elder nebula]

she isn't the og, because the furina we know probably would've gotten nuked by ei or some shi

i highly doubt she's the real hydro archon

at least we know some variation of her is real

[ripe sparrow]

oh wait that's so weird though because focalor the demon was a powerful thing, google says it was a "great duke of hell" and commanded twenty or thirty legions of spirits

[elder nebula]

yeeaah, furina is a fraud 💀 she's hiding something BIG

no way she's commanding armies lmfao

[ripe sparrow]

yeah it just doesn't add up

lmaoo

gotta go sorry, i'll come back though

[elder nebula]

okok thats fine

[ripe sparrow]

ok back

[ripe sparrow]

ok this is completely unrelated but i absolutely love how much thought was put into raiden ei and raiden shogun's background. is raiden written well? no. is her redemption arc terrible? basically. however, hoyo put obvious thought into ei and the shogun's situation. traditionally, a shogun is appointed by the emperor and has complete control over the military. this basically means that the shogun has all the power in the government, while the emperor is more of a figurehead. this is basically raiden's situation word for word lol. ei created the raiden shogun to control the shogunate/army and make any decisions regarding the region of inazuma while ei remained tucked away in her consciousness. so the raiden shogun was the shogun, with all the military power, and ei was the "emperor" and was just a figurehead

just goes to show how much they put into this game

[elder nebula]

also the fact i was doing an essay on ancient japan and while i was looking for websites i found this image

👀

[ripe sparrow]

whoaaa

i also found that symbol on a poster in my art teacher's room, it had a bunch of different patterns on it and that was one of them lolol
not sure what the poster was but it had japanese on it so-

turns out the symbol is a magatama, a talisman of good fortune in shinto traditions. the one that's the electro symbol in genshin is called a triple right tomoe (if google can be trusted) but there's a ton of them

now that i think about it, that's likely what the poster was about

[lilac patrol]

HOLD ON YALL

What if the abyss sibling isn't the real one

And it's just a creation by celestia

Or the abyss or Khanriea

To like

Lead us on an endlessly chase

So we would be stuck forever

[ripe sparrow]

ooh i like that

[elder nebula]

very minor spoilers for the new archon quest

its almost like shes reassuring herself of her role

[ripe sparrow]

YESS that’s exactly what i was thinking when i heard this line

she had the sound of someone trying to convice themselves of something

[elder nebula]

RIGHT

spoilers ||arle says furina doesn't have the hydro gnosis 👀||

im currently doing it now and very intrigued

[ripe sparrow]

its so interesting already

it sounds like she’s trying to remind herself of her power, not to mention she said she needed neuvillette at the meeting

they don’t give us a reason for that but it has to be because she would completely butcher the meeting on her own right? like we saw how she was in the meeting

[loud quest]

i still didn't finish the archon quest but it seems like furina have no actual power over 'her people' or 'archon powers' or she just unable to use it, to clarify my point: nahida didn't have a power ***over ***her people but used her archon powers/the power of knowledge in her advantage and for "the greater good"

[ripe sparrow]

yess i completely agree

[somber ibex]

Spoilers for archon quest; ||Neuvillette is indeed the hydro dragon (it was so obvious). I find it funny how ppl thought it was Kokomi||

[ripe sparrow]

tbf they thought it was kokomi before neuvillette was out, but if people still believed it AFTER fontaine was out and after the archon quest, that's where the theory is lost

[elder nebula]

i agree ^^

i never believed the kokomi dragon theory but it was interesting

[ripe sparrow]

it was definitely very interesting and believable to an extent, i think the thing that made me believe it was probably her constellation but overall the theory had a lot of holes

[elder nebula]

it would've made sense if kokomi had a bigger presence in the archon quest + a different focus in her story quest, along with the fact if she was fontainian because

what is the HYDRO dragon doing in the land of ELECTRO

😭

otherwise very believable

[elder nebula]

lore enthusiasts we won with this archon quest

spoilers

||PROPHECY?? 👀👀👀||

[exotic rivet]

ive been summoned here as a lore nerd

[exotic rivet]

idk how people didnt figure it out / || thought he was the archon || like they made it so painfully obvious

[elder nebula]

i dont like how some kokostans are still insisting how she is the hydro sovereign

like 😭

actually a bit random but does anyone know where the hydro gnosis is

[exotic rivet]

it was never said but my guess is that it's in the oratrice

and that it's the source of its power

[elder nebula]

yeah thats the no.1 spot i have for it currently

but it feels obvious

[exotic rivet]

also the nice little touch of furinas drip marketing not having a vision / gnosis in the back... they are brewing up this lore

[elder nebula]

im really interested though

shes in all archon official arts

[exotic rivet]

it feels too obvious but so did || nuevillette || so im not surprised at this point

[elder nebula]

she's listed as 'regina of the waters'

[exotic rivet]

ooohhh

see her lore isnt obvious at all which i like she is still a total mystery. same with whatever the fuck is happening w childe

[elder nebula]

everything but the lore is pointing to her being the hydro archon

💀

[exotic rivet]

LMFAO

[elder nebula]

right oml

i an very interested in the abyss

[exotic rivet]

but act 3 felt entirely like filler. i was really disappointed LOL

[elder nebula]

yeah 😭 it was so tedious

[exotic rivet]

but at least they kept me on my toes at the end of act 4 ig

but im tired of making friends w npcs we'll never see again like dunyazard n stuff like that is ok bc its One Main npc but why did we make like 13 friends

can we cut down on the npc lore

please

[elder nebula]

i've got almost all interesting pieces of dialogue screenshotted

i am 👀👀

[exotic rivet]

im waiting for lore vids to come out to see what i missed bc im sick n may have missed some details

[elder nebula]

yeah

i wanna know what wrio's doing

what does remuria have to do with this saga

[exotic rivet]

yeah that whole section with || the boat thing he was making || really confused me

[elder nebula]

i'll read the dialogue again and analyse a second time to see if i can get some theories

for now WHY IS ARLECCHINO SO NICE?? 😭

wolf in sheeps clothing

lets see if i can dig up anything about her in the comedia del arte

[exotic rivet]

tbh i have a feeling shes a childe situation where hes not inherently evil she just is completely loyal to the tsaritsa

[elder nebula]

childe and scara both hate her

[exotic rivet]

doesnt childe like her???

[elder nebula]

actually hm

all i've heard is wolf in sheep's clothing

she's faking something

clown arlecchino is canon yall

[elder nebula]

you're probably right in the sense she is very loyal

[ripe sparrow]

i mean she runs an orphanage and seems to take good care of them from what we saw with lyney and lynette so that would make sense
i see her as a person who is on a mission and will do what it takes to get it done

oh shit i just realized what if lyney and lynette were sent by arlecchino not to figure out how the oratrice works but to investigate/steal the gnosis inside it? this would open the possibility that the fatui (or at least arlecchino) know that the gnosis is inside the oratrice and is maybe even using that against furina??