#A little project im working on :3

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grave zodiac
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those water caustics and god rays look amazing! is that just a shaderpack or is there some more advanced rendering going on here

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It’s just done with a single resource pack

grave zodiac
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ah thats very clever

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The caustics are a single texture, and the rays are a single texture

grave zodiac
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are there no core shaders at all here?

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Probably. I’m using a custom version of VFX+ for the polytone stuff

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The textures are for this project though

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And almost everything I show here is custom/has been updated since the screenshot has been taken

halcyon bridge
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Yes!

halcyon bridge
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nice. is it just made out of 1-abs(simplex)?

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also that explosion texture is 😋

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I will try and find it

heavy wasp
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Reminds me a lot of Actions & Stuff

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heavy wasp
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I’ve been porting it privately to Java myself, but only the textures for now

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oh nice

plucky wolf
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How does this work legally since Actions & Stuff is a paid product?

fleet wasp
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can you show me what youve done in the past

fleet wasp
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Hmmm

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What would you do for a Minecraft mod pack though

fleet wasp
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if its not replay mod still exists

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fleet wasp
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compare before and afters too.

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Wdym

fleet wasp
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Oh

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I was planning to do a animated trailer like the original actions and stuff does

plucky wolf
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Why would a trailer be needed for something that isn’t releasing?

fleet wasp
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oh intresting

fleet wasp
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plucky wolf
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Let me rephrase sorry. What would the purpose of a trailer be for a project that wouldn’t be released?

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Not trying to be rude or harsh, I’m genuinely curious

fleet wasp
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…what?

plucky wolf
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Not following sorry

shut cradle
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What does sapling have to do with anything

fleet wasp
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he is saying your project wouldnt be releasd for "legal" reasons no?

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It won’t

plucky wolf
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Crimpy said it’s a private project, which is what I’m going off of

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So I was curious what a trailer would be for its private

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fleet wasp
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It’s a port. Not a loose recreation

plucky wolf
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It honestly feels kinda misleading/bad to say “a port of something LOTS of people want” and then reveal that people wont ever be able to try it

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How is it misleading

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It is a port

plucky wolf
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Or just generally showcase it in this channel

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I never said “the port of actions and stuff THAT EVERYONE HERE CAN ENJOY AND USE RIGHT NOW”. THAT would be misleading

plucky wolf
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I know but showcasing something that “people REALLY want” and then learning it won’t ever be released is kind of mean, no? Like it’s teasing something that people want and won’t be able to get

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Exactly

plucky wolf
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Misleading was the wrong word, sorry. Mean is a better descriptor

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I never said no one will get it

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I just said it’s private

plucky wolf
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I’d be curious to ask a mod if it’s ok to promote illegal work being shared. Because I don’t know how else you’d interpret what you just said as “I’m not going to be posting a download publicly, but will still be sending it to others” which is still distributing something illegal

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But it’s a community project. To get it, you have to contribute to the project (not with money. Idk why people jump to that conclusion. Contribute skills and knowledge). And must have already purchased actions and stuff. If you fit that criteria, you can get it. Otherwise, it’s private and you will not receive it. I’m not just giving out a paid product for free

plucky wolf
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I see, this is definitely a slippery slope to be posting in a showcase channel when the marketplace is usually extremely strict on enforcing using paid product assets

winter ivy
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?

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its a product I paid for

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i paid for a file. who is stopping me from opening said file that i spent money on and doing whatever i want with the contents of said file

plucky wolf
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To my knowledge Microsoft/Bedrock encrypts addon assets so they cannot be modified or used outside of the game. You bought the product in the game and can use it in-game, but you don't own the rights to the assets which is why they're encrypted

shut cradle
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"encrypted" doesnt really mean much

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just means the names of files were changed

plucky wolf
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I'm talking about legally 😅 like legally that is what you agreed to when buying the addon. Encryption is just backing up the fact that they don't want you to do this

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as i said

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i paid for a file

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john microsoft isnt going to show up at my door because of a file i paid for and downloaded onto my pc, and opened it up

plucky wolf
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I agree they will most likely not care, I never said they'd hunt you down or anything lol. Just that with the terms and service you did not "pay for a file" and "can use that file because I paid for it". You paid for a product that can be used in the context of the game you bought it in. If they didn't care about you modifying or looking at the files they wouldn't have encrypted them

Obviously they do not care unless you're distributing it, which you've said it will be private, but that raises the same thought that me and the other person shared with the rest of their point that the way you showcased and phrased this for a "private project" is kinda icky

shut cradle
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im going to buy a tshirt. and cut it up and resew it into 20 mini tshirts. then im going to give away the mini tshirts to people who already bought their own tshirts. will the clothing brand care that i did this?

plucky wolf
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I'm not following haha. Clothing and a something you agree to a terms and service stating what it can or can't be used for are completely different products

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ok

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so

plucky wolf
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Like buying clothes and a product online (which has a TOS) are not really the same thing at all and comparable

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or TOS might not be the correct word? License maybe?

shut cradle
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how about instead of giving it out (to people who purchased this product) i will just go to those people and teach them how to do everything I did, 1:1, so that i dont distrubute anything :3. they would be doing it themselves wouldnt they?

plucky wolf
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I guess so? It feels like you're just moving the goal post with your points to make it "okay". In reality I don't really care what you do. I'm just stating along with the other person that how you showcased publicly and phrased this was icky if it was going to be a private project

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I only bring up the distribution and illegalness of that in response to you giving examples of what is legal, and me correcting you that it is not. I more so just care about the subjective aspect that you showcasing this here was a bit weird, and it's not just me who feels that way as the other person also brought that up. Then the trailer guy also assumed it would be public with your phrasing (hence why he offered to make a trailer), further showing that it was phrased and showcased in a way that would make people assume this was public

shut cradle
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you dont care what i do? because youve been talking here all day about how every step i take and every word i say is wrong. im allowed to show a project, no matter whos going to get it, no matter what the availability of it when its complete. Youre so caught up in the fact that its private, when, had i not shown pictures in the first place, no one would have gotten it anyways. nothing changed. no one is affected by this at all, except you apperently

plucky wolf
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yep! You're allowed to show it, I never said otherwise like I don't think it's against the rules or anything. In the same way I can still state I think subjectively that's icky to do 😝

I know this is silly to say, but the only times I say "every step and word you say is wrong" is when it is wrong XD. The amount of times I'm doing that isn't intentional or something I can control, if that makes sense. I admitted to the parts where I was wrong and have been trying to correct myself, as I'm definitely not always right nor know all of Microsoft's TOS lmao. Just each time I've noticed something was wrong I've pointed it out or asked further

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no one is affected by this at all, except you apperently

Also once again, someone else pointed this out too so it wasn't just me

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that its private, when, had i not shown pictures in the first place, no one would have gotten it anyways.

Yep! Exactly. I think if it's a private project you should make sure to state that clearly as no one else is getting it haha. That's exactly my line of thought, and once again this is completely subjective. You're free to do as you want in the same way I'm just voicing my thoughts here on it. Two other people and myself were confused by your initial phrasing making it sound like it would be public

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you dont care what i do? because youve been talking here all day

I can back off if you'd prefer, I've been in and out of the house for most of the day and just responding when I have a bit of free time. I really like the addon on bedrock which is why I tuned into the thread in the first place, and have just been adding my thoughts as you respond and other people do too

frozen wharf
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if buying something isnt owning, then im not stealing

frozen wharf
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The problem is, it's more like renting than buying.

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Most licenses, from what I understand, say that they still own it; you're just allowed to use it. It's a particularly fancy piece of hair-splitting that lets them maintain control over their product while making sure you can't distribute it or resell it. Oh, and they can charge you money for it too. I forgot to write that part down at first.

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I agree it's not a nice strategy; I'm just saying what I understand the rules to be.

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i do have a reason to be making this

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a reason more in depth than "java good, bedrock bad"

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ill talk about it tmrw tho its too late for this

plucky wolf
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plucky wolf
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Maybe a better comparison is you can buy an iphone or a switch, but it's still illegal to brick/jailbreak them and look at/modify the files. As you agreed to not do that when buying them

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Do people do it anyway? Yeah they do, and the vast majority of people don't get in trouble or anything. Just wanting to clarify what is considered legal or not legal like Startravel pointed out

shut cradle
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okay cade

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dont need a lesson on the law

winter ivy
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I honestly don’t care about it being a private project or not, but the allusions to a future release and/or distribution is weird to me.

frozen wharf
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I just wanted to say; I’ve appreciated watching a calm and civil discussion between people who don’t agree. It’s a rarity, so it’s nice to see here!

grave zodiac
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plucky wolf
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Oh! I was wrong then and that was a bad analogy to give

fleet wasp
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Looks like a fire started while I was gone

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Lmao

halcyon bridge
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personally idgaf and while i always pay for software and never violate any EULAs, i think piracy is cool and i like people who pirate things

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but like. don’t try to say that what you’re doing isn’t illegal because it’s clearly and plainly illegal. framing it like “i own the file and so i should be able to open the file and do whatever i want with it” is a little disingenuous. you already agreed to the terms of the license before you bought the license. if you were actually buying the file, it’d need to cost a lot more money to cover the development costs.

frozen wharf
# halcyon bridge personally idgaf and while i always pay for software and never violate any EULAs...

I'd disagree there; I think piracy is, honestly, violating the rights of the people who created it. They created it, they can choose what to charge for it (with the exception of things like GPL et al.). Even if I don't like them, I don't get the right to disregard their rights. If I did, how would I be justified in complaining if someone did the same to something of mine? Also, as you said, it's illegal.

heavy wasp
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tired egret
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is this one of those situations in which the programmer doesn’t have to include the copyrighted assets, they can instead simply detect if the assets are installed on the user’s computer and work with them from there?

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or would that too be distributing something that violates the marketplace EULA? I don’t know anything about it

frozen wharf
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Actually, that’s a good idea.

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I don’t know if it would break the EULA though.

knotty hearth
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it probably would still not be allowed under
Minecraft Usage Guidelines
The mod cannot be used to directly or indirectly verify whether a player owns or has access to out-of-game content, products, or services that affect in-game features and functions
Microsoft Services Agreement
(3.a.vi) This one probably doesn't directly affect this, included for thoroughness
Don’t circumvent any restrictions on access to, usage, or availability of the Services
(8.b.ii) Directly disallows current implementation in, probably applies to proposed solution (both parts dependent on copywrite law; this does not fall under fair use from my understanding)

 disassemble, decompile, decrypt, hack, emulate, exploit, or reverse engineer any software or other aspect of the Services that is included in or accessible through the Services, except and only to the extent that the applicable copyright law expressly permits doing so```

I wasn't able to find any EULA specifically for the Minecraft DLC Marketplace that would change these
tired egret
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disclaimer: not a lawyer

it probably would still not be allowed under
Minecraft Usage Guidelines
The mod cannot be used to directly or indirectly verify whether a player owns or has access to out-of-game content, products, or services that affect in-game features and functions

they add this in the next paragraph:

For example, a mod that directly or indirectly checks a player owns an NFT to unlock skins, functions, or other in-game experiences is not ok with us.

so my personal opinion is that this clause is meant to disallow people from adding microtransactions to their mods (which a few modders already do). however, I still agree with your interpretation.

the next two clauses you mentioned are pretty clear 👍

shut cradle
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Everyone’s so concerned about the legality of a project they’re not going to get

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Lmao

knotty hearth
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I don't really care if you do it, I'm just not sure about posting publicly about blatantly breaking the services agreement

halcyon bridge
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halcyon bridge
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Not fluent. Sorry.

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But as I was saying

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Tell me everyone that I’m affecting

halcyon bridge
# shut cradle Not fluent. Sorry.

affect: a noun that means emotional state, and a verb that means “influence”
effect: a noun that means a result or a consequence, and a verb that means “create as an effect”

halcyon bridge
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do you think that we don’t allow discussion of cheats on this discord server because everyone has a moral objection to hacking the game?

shut cradle
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🤷‍♂️

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Whatever

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I’ll take the post down then

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You all would rather sit in a circle and talk about how bad I am but don’t actually do anything

frozen wharf
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Okay Thomas