Horseshoe Crabs

[fallow nexus]

Does someone have interest in implementing the concept of this fabulous resource pack as a separate mob?

Basically it replaces (using CEM) the axolot model/texture with of horseshoe crab (including variants), but i think implementing it as a separate mob would be interesting.

The author is @heavy sparrow (invited him to the server to oversee the efforts), so please credit him if you have interest in do this mod.

https://www.planetminecraft.com/texture-pack/horseshoe-crabs/

more context about the species
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab

[fallen plinth]

Wait

Once modfest ends I might get around to doing this one

[fallow nexus]

modfest?

[fallen plinth]

https://modfest.net/carnival

[fallow nexus]

wasnt aware of this event 😵

[fallen plinth]

In the meantime if anyone wants to take this one feel free to do so

[heavy sparrow]

Hello I'm the original creator of the pack 👋👋👋

[fallow nexus]

@fallen plinth if you ends up making, you can talk about it with him

he said to me in dms that he would like to "hammer out details first"

[kind jungle]

horseshoe crabs are the best

[heavy sparrow]

so true

[fallow nexus]

any updates @fallen plinth ?

[fallen plinth]

No, modfest still isn't over and my attention has been focused on developing my modfest mod and preventing my other mods from crashing
Sorry

[sturdy girder]

what modfest?

is there a website of some sort?

[fallen plinth]

https://modfest.net/carnival

[sturdy girder]

thx

[polar ether]

Has someone made this a mod or something yet?

[fallow nexus]

i'm waiting @fallen plinth to finish his modfest mod

no other modder showed interest in meanwhile

[polar ether]

This seems like an interesting idea

[fallow nexus]

yeah, @heavy sparrow did a great job with the texture and model

[polar ether]

They do look good

I'd try my own implementation but it's too late right now, I might try tomorrow

Just as a test

[fallow nexus]

would be very interesting to see

[fallen plinth]

I won't be able to start developing this mod in a while, because between modfest and real-life things my time has become very limited

[fallow nexus]

no problem

[sturdy girder]

I'm waiting for the next time that vico gets another 16 ideas to request

Magical moments

[fallow nexus]

wtff

[sturdy girder]

Lmao

You have like 20% of the requests in this discord

Surely you have more ideas

[proven gust]

They're adorable and if it happens I will likely grab it.

[fallow nexus]

any news? @polar ether

[fallen plinth]

bump so I get included in the thread again

[fallow nexus]

🆙

@obtuse dagger would be doable to be added to your list?

[errant halo]

i could try to work on this if no one else is

[obtuse dagger]

not currently. I have a few big school things right now

[errant halo]

i should be able to make this if you'd like!

i started looking into it, doesn't look too bad, especially if the texture pack creator has a blockbench model i could use

[fallow nexus]

oh please

[fallow nexus]

of course: @heavy sparrow

[errant halo]

and also any specific behaviors the crabs should have

[fallow nexus]

good question

don't know if paleontologists determined if horseshoe crabs were carnivorous or not

[errant halo]

they're still real aren't they

[fallow nexus]

oops

mistook by trilobites haha

sorry

[errant halo]

oh yeah lmao

trilobites are cool

so yeah wikipedia said that they essentially live on the ocean floor

so i could attempt to give them code that would make them stay on the floor except for certain circumstances (spawning in or breeding maybe)

[fallow nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v2piMjORs8M

[fallow nexus]

one important thing (if they are to spawn in oceans) is to disable (or tweak) its predatory behavior

if you are doing a copy of axolot ai as starting point

[errant halo]

oh i was just working on making my own mob

[fallow nexus]

oh i see

[errant halo]

that extends animalEntity

[fallow nexus]

brb

[errant halo]

since i prefer re-coding stuff instead of just copying mojang's code

but ig i could just copy axolotl code lmao

they do have a lot of complex behaviors (giving regen, playing dead, etc) that we prob wouldn't want on the crabs though

[fallow nexus]

yeah

also maybe make them move slower

they give me impression that are slower than axolots when walking under water

[tulip wyvern]

You can see them on a regular basis, actually!

[errant halo]

yup! i don't think i've seen one before but i've seen quite a few vids of em just chilling on beaches

[heavy sparrow]

i do indeed have a blockbench model

[errant halo]

could you send that over? I can generate the code that i need to render the model ingame from that, and it's much easier than trying to manually do it from the texture

[heavy sparrow]

i can indeed do you want me to dm or just send it here

[errant halo]

whatever you'd prefer

[errant halo]

well it's doing something atleast

they're a tad floaty but

hovercrabb

but yeah the first model is in the game- ima start working on variants and behaviors

[heavy sparrow]

hell yeah

i was working on a custom animation for the little legs to kind of move back and forth but i was a little out of my depth

and i didn't wanna complicate the model any more by doing a texture animation

[errant halo]

nah anims actually aren't that bad if you want to do them

(or atleast implementing them, i'm bad at making models so idk how hard it is on that side)

[heavy sparrow]

i'm just bad at math

i guess just a back and forth motion wouldn't be too hard

i gotta get with ewan howell

[errant halo]

alr they now actually wander underwater (and slowly sink back down so they typically stay on the floor)

img of them vibing

[fallow nexus]

i liked it

[fallen plinth]

It's so dark lmao

[heavy sparrow]

kinda awesome

[errant halo]

i forgor to give myself night vision lmao

[errant halo]

@fallow nexus working on variants right now, should any of them have chances to be rarer or should they all have the same chance

horseshoe crabs: now in color

[brave narwhal]

Nice

[fallow nexus]

@heavy sparrow look at this beauty

[heavy sparrow]

YOOOOOOOOOOO

This is actually sick

good to see my creations exactly where they belong

Being crushed under the pressure of thousands of gallons of water

[north cliff]

Hey. it might be too much, but do you think you would be able make the variants data-driven, like wolf variants?

[errant halo]

hm, i'll look into that

i'm new to entities in general so i'm not great at them but ill look into it

i still need to do other work on this- i haven't been able to make a good staying on the floor AI with just vanilla goals so i'll have to make my own, and i need to implement spawning and make the model not float

[north cliff]

Yeah, it's not urgent. Just an idea.

[errant halo]

yeah thank you for suggesting!

[north cliff]

I'd love to see more modders who make entities implement data-driven variants, because is makes their mod more versatile and makes compatibility easier. (I think)

[fallow nexus]

and better to port to newer versions, right?

[north cliff]

Yep

[north cliff]

If you need help with spawning or attributes, I have some experience. I'm not an expert, but I'd be happy to help if I can.

[errant halo]

i have basic entity attributes worked out rn but i'm struggling with getting behavior that looks nice

since irl horseshoe crabs stay on the ocean flor but can swim if they want

so i need some way to get them to stick to the floor most of the time but be able to swim up if tempted by a player (or other factors)

and at somepoint i want to implement bucketing

[north cliff]

Have you set the goal priorities?

[errant halo]

yeah i just can't get a pathfinding that works right, i've tried multiple but either they just repeatedly jump around the floor or won't pathfind at all

[north cliff]

You need the crabs to wander around without considering that they are in water. Remove water from blocks that the crab notices and then add it back in later once you have the pathfinding figured out. Maybe remove the swim goal and use a modified wander goal. That might do it.

[fallow nexus]

🆙 taking opportunity of 1.21.11 release

[fallen plinth]

Do you have a repo for this? I'd be interested in contributing

[errant halo]

i can set one up, i think i still have the code

[fallow nexus]

Also, in the meanwhile, did @heavy sparrow made any modifications to the horseshoe crab model? Would be interesting to "merge" to the developement @fallen plinth could do

[errant halo]

https://github.com/TuffetSpider/Xiphosura/

[fallen plinth]

Amazing

It’s forking time

[fallen plinth]

What are the horseshoe crab assets licensed under

[fallow nexus]

i think @heavy sparrow can clarify that to you

[fallen plinth]

Yeah I just need a license file, this is what I have right now https://github.com/ekulxam/Xiphosura/blob/4b7744954660fcab7f67e8e8dbe904aada608421/LICENSE-assets.txt

@errant halo How do you want to be credited? I have you as TuffetSpider_ in the fabric.mod.json similarly to parachymistry

[fallow nexus]

Well here's the original page of the resource pack where the assets were made:

https://www.planetminecraft.com/texture-pack/horseshoe-crabs/

[errant halo]

that works!

[fallen plinth]

Done

Fixed model positioning (no longer floating)

I'll fix hitboxes now and work on pathfinding later

[fallen plinth]

Okay fixed their pathfinding somewhat

I'm struggling to find a balance between water pathfinding and land pathfinding

[rain aspen]

not saying you have to add this but i just learned horseshoe crabs swim upside down :o

they remain one of the best creatures what the heck

[fallen plinth]

Yeah they do that sometimes

Then they use their tails to flip themselves

[fallen plinth]

I might just add a pathfinding malus and be done with it

[fallen plinth]

Also it looks slightly weird because they have no animations so they're just gliding along right now lmao

Wait I just remembered that turtles go on beaches and swim in water fine

[vague ore]

I’d just use the existing turtle ai as a template, adjust swim & walk speeds

All in all, I’m not sure what animations you could do. A subtle wattle or tail bounce would be worth attempting

[tulip wyvern]

Do horseshoe crabs turn cyan when you hit them, instead of red?

Or blue, I suppose.

[fallen plinth]

Skeletons don’t have blood and they still turn red so I’m not changing damage color

[fallen plinth]

Pathfinding works but for some reason the y velocity is messed up

[fallen plinth]

Yay fixed pathfinding

[fallen plinth]

Waiting on this

[fallow nexus]

man i dont know what happened but @heavy sparrow seems to have disappeared circa August

even his server seems to be dead since then

if you have interest i can send via DMs his server invite to you see

[fallen plinth]

I don't really want to join another discord server just to see how dead it is

I hope squarticus is okay though

[fallen plinth]

Hm I wonder how legal/ethical it is to license the models/textures under ARR copyright squarticus

[tulip wyvern]

Eh, perfectly fine if you believe in the concept of copyright (which at least two people in this Discord server don't).

I'm swamped at the moment, or I'd volunteer to try to make my own textures and models.

[fallen plinth]

Resolution:
I'm going to wait until 2026
If by then we get an actual license, then I'm fine
If not, then I'm going to ARR it under squarticus 2024 but add a note at the bottom saying that this is a placeholder license until squarticus gives an actual license
For modrinth, they probably want to see some form of permission given so I'll just link this thread + a screenshot as necessary

||I actually don't think this is worth publishing lol, it's so simple but so jank 😭||

[fallen plinth]

It's 2026 now

[fallow nexus]

and his server keeps inactive, even after festivites like christmas and the new year

weird

[fallen plinth]

@fallow nexus do you have any screenshots or links of you asking squarticus for permission to make this request

[fallow nexus]

on his server

DMs

[fallow nexus]

and from there

[fallen plinth]

https://github.com/ekulxam/Xiphosura/blob/c40fd59acad95262aaecbf14dedc964107c3571e/LICENSE-assets

[fallow nexus]

i liked it