Just steel

[tired pewter]

Hi! Notch originally planned for a steel teir of gear, made via crafting one coal ore with one iron ingot, essensially meaning each needs double the coal and so is 1.5x the time to obtain, so I think steel could be the same damage and mining speed of iron, but with a knockback resistance 1 point further than netherite and the same amount of knockback as their netherite weapon counterparts. You just need to code it, I have all the textures. should be relatively easy too!

oh right and instead of iron you need steel to make a flint and steel

as it just makes sense

[rapid reef]

Could you send the textures?

[worthy birch]

Coal ore as a crafting ingredient sure sounds like it'll be annoying for the player. And interestingly, in the real world the primary coal source was charcoal, due to available coal having too many too unpredictable impurities. And also a limestone-based flux (like calcite) was required. Beyond that, why not slightly recolour the iron stuff for textures?

GIMP colour curve preset for the above iron-to-steel recolour.

[slow eagle]

So you'd basically want an update of this?
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/steel-for-fabric

[nocturne kestrel]

I actually added steel to my mod, but I'm not really interested in making a standalone version of it. Are there not a dozen mods out there that add steel? It seems ubiquotous.

[bleak ermine]

actually asked in the steel for fabric github if the author have interest in port that to 1.20.4

if not, maybe @scarlet quartz could give a look if he has the interest (and time)

[tired pewter]

It doesn't explicitly say if it can be obtained in the same way with coal, if thats the case then yes

[tired pewter]

not in this specific way sadly

[nocturne kestrel]

Are you doing this? 'Cause if not I won't butt in.

[tired pewter]

W pfp

[nocturne kestrel]

What on Earth is "W pfp"

[tired pewter]

it means you have a winning profile picture

As in I like the arkham assylum joker image on your profile

[nocturne kestrel]

Oh, thanks! Thank you very much, in fact. I pixel-arted it with the model of him sitting with Scarface as my reference.

[tired pewter]

Oh, wow, impressive job!

[rapid reef]

I'll do it, but I won't be able to get to it until later if you want to

[tired pewter]

Notch specified he planned this be the recipe sadly

[nocturne kestrel]

Thanks!

[nocturne kestrel]

I might just. I'm trying to expand my portfolio and potentially break into the mod commission scene. And I've learned it's really easy to throw together a thing.

I have a condition I have begun to refer to as "block vomit". When I get bored, I add blocks.

I've added over 200 blocks in this manner.

[bleak ermine]

Unfortunately the author of steel doesn't have an update to that mod in his immediate plans...

i wonder if @fallen kelp would have interest in port that mod in specific to 1.20.4

seems to be a (relatively) easy job

also @tired pewter's textures are very nice

[tired pewter]

just darkenned iron ones for now

[tired pewter]

all hope is lost for steel 😦

[nocturne kestrel]

Eh

Hold my beer

[nocturne kestrel]

1.20.4 right?

Okay yeah I can get the tools and armor in tonight. Might be a bit more time for all of the blocks and for the horse armor.

Assuming it's not too different from 1.20.1.

[tired pewter]

1.20.1 would be ideal for my modpack but either all

[nocturne kestrel]

Oh that's way easier

[tired pewter]

i think its mainly inventory changes

[tired pewter]

Oh ok mad, you know the general jist of the mod right? iron + coal=crude steel, smelted into steel, is like iron but knockback and explosion resistant

Should be relatively easy for you

but that's an assumption Idk shit about modding

oh right I'll supply textures

[tired pewter]

these are placeholders if you need them for testing

[nocturne kestrel]

Nah I have placeholders, don't worry. Just lob me the textures when you have them ready.

[tired pewter]

aight

[nocturne kestrel]

@tired pewter When you can, tell me the exact specifics you want for the armor and tool stats. Durability, enchantability, toughness, knockback protection, mining level, mining speed, damage etc..

And the crafting recipes you want everything to have.

I've gone as far as I can until I have those specifics.

But effectively the mod is coded and has all its assets in place except textures.

[tired pewter]

here's the textures for everything

wait maybe I should edit the steel block texture a bit

what do you think?

[nocturne kestrel]

Honestly can't tell XD

Can you please send them in a zip?

[tired pewter]

yeah bet

here you go

I changed the steel block texture to resemble iron more but at the same darkness

Lemme make up some stats

steel sword: dmg: 7.5

[nocturne kestrel]

Is that the final damage it should have or the added for its material?

Maybe I should show how the stats work

Basically each toolmaterial has a float which decides how much damage is added on top of the base for the tool/weapon to which it is applying.

For example wood and gold have 0, and it goes up from there.

Diamond has 3. Iron has 2.

I think the wiki has an article on all this? Not sure.

[tired pewter]

so it would be 2 I guess

attack speed is the default ofc 1.6

durability would be 1750

enchantability is 14 for every enchantable steel item

[tired pewter]

1750* lol

what other specs you need? I'm not too sure of em all lol

do I do the same thing for all the other items?

pickaxe: durability: 1750 mining speed: the same as netherite's, attack dmg 5.5 attack speed 1.2

wait should steel nuggets be a thing? like smelting steel gear makes them and 9 makes a ingot?

[tired pewter]

basically every spec for these is .5 faster than diamond, .5 lesser than netherite in near all aspects, durability, damage, mining speed even, but enchantability of 14

@nocturne kestrel any questions?

oh and yeah these textures I supplied use programmer art ones I'm a weirdo I know

[nocturne kestrel]

Hmmm

Do you have a program that can open .ods type files?

[tired pewter]

No but I could get one, why do you ask?

[nocturne kestrel]

I have a spreadsheet of all of the vanilla stats.

[tired pewter]

bet I just downloaded one

[nocturne kestrel]

?

Basically this is the info I need.

[tired pewter]

aight

durability: 1750. attack: 7.5 speed:7.5, enchant:9

what does level do?

[nocturne kestrel]

Mining level.

0 = same as gold and wood, 1 =same as stone, 2 = iron, 3 = diamond, 4 = netherite

After that, is the amount of armor points the entire set gives, spread between the 4 items, then toughness, then durability multiplier, then enchantability for armor.

[tired pewter]

level:3 armor: 20

is toughness knockback resistance?

screw it 3

durability 35

enchant 10

that'll do

a nice mid point between netherite and diamond

I dunno which does it but could the mining speed be the same as iron but it can mind block like obsidian? or is that not possible

[tired pewter]

if not just diamond will be fine

I don't want it to be the faster AND tankier set

a bit of both but diamond having its advantages

like enchantability

[nocturne kestrel]

It's totally possible

Sorry for delay, was up getting something.

Yeah, none of these values are linked.

[nocturne kestrel]

Toughness affects how well the armor performs against higher damage attacks.

In Minecraft, the more damage is being dealt in one blow, the less of it will be absorbed by the armor.

[tired pewter]

no problem sorry about mine earlier

[nocturne kestrel]

Toughnes tilts it a little more in the wearer's favor.

[nocturne kestrel]

Ah, no problem.

[tired pewter]

ah well then 3

[nocturne kestrel]

Got it

[tired pewter]

cheers

[nocturne kestrel]

o7

Alright, gimme a few.

[tired pewter]

bet

[nocturne kestrel]

@tired pewter Couple last things that aren't on my chart. Knockback resistance, for one. Most of the armors have 0, netherite has 0.1, does what it says on the tin.

Small numbers do notable amounts.

And you said something about blast protection up above... that can't necessarily be done tonight, if you want it, it will probably be later on.

Tonight I can get you an alpha with the items, crafting recipes, and most of the functionality in.

[tired pewter]

0.1 then please

[nocturne kestrel]

✅

[tired pewter]

fair enough

[nocturne kestrel]

Yeah that'll probably require a mixin.

[tired pewter]

alright cheers for this hey I appreciate you

[tired pewter]

ah mk

[nocturne kestrel]

Happy to help. It really is a small thing to throw together.

Okay now, crafting.

You said something about making crude steel and then smelting it?

[tired pewter]

yeah, iron ingot and coal in a crafting table makes crude steel

its then smelted into steel ingots

which are used to craft all of the tools and armor

[nocturne kestrel]

Got it. Easy.

[tired pewter]

some other things I was gonna ask would be steel nuggets (they are produced by smelting steel gear and do nothing but 9 become 1 steel ingot) and for them to be an alternate flint and steel recipe, but that could be done later on of course

[nocturne kestrel]

Of course, that could be done now, but I need a texture.

[tired pewter]

bet

its not renamed or anything because i gtg ill be back in a hour

[nocturne kestrel]

Np

I may not be online then. If so see you tomorrow.

[tired pewter]

I'm baaack

Oh right I should explain the point of steel

Notch said he wanted to add it as a better altenrative to diamond

and I won't be the 1st to say that iron that is only one coal more expensive shouldn't be better than diamond

but big boy notch says so

I'm making a mod based around unadded features

like rn I'm working on a sky dimension using the original terrain generator (I mean exact down to the same seed generation)

it's not that hard since the moderner beta dev let me use the skylands code the hard part is putting it in a dimension that isnt the overworld

[tired pewter]

sum like steel_nugget would do lol

[bleak ermine]

I would use a 1.20.4 build 😅

[nocturne kestrel]

I'll update it to 1.20.4 when I can, I'll probably maintain it within reason too if I have time.

[nocturne kestrel]

Mornin'. I'm awake now.

[tired pewter]

mornin

[nocturne kestrel]

Ty. XD It's evening for me now.

[tired pewter]

yeah i slept in today its 12 pm

[nocturne kestrel]

Sweet

[tired pewter]

so yeah is there any more stats or textures you need?

[nocturne kestrel]

The steel nugget.

And I think that's it.

[tired pewter]

aight

[tired pewter]

jeez that almost looks like a full stop that image is tiny lol

[nocturne kestrel]

XD yup

[tired pewter]

oh right do you need it in a zip file

instead

[nocturne kestrel]

Nah, I got it

It's fine

Actually we have an issue.

Hoe damage is always 1.

I won't go into the details of why I can't do this, but with the steel material tool/weapon damage being something point five, I can EITHER have the hoe do 0.5 damage or 1.5 damage.

Or, steel can be made to deal a whole number of damage, which is really what I recommend.

Because this thing wants int.

I have to give it an int. That means no point five.

So take your pick. I really do recommend changing the steel damage to a whole integer because otherwise who knows what other things that expect a whole number there will break.

[tired pewter]

alright

whole number then

damage one more than diamond, mining speed one less than diamond

[nocturne kestrel]

Hmm

Up to you really, I'll put whatever you tell me

I would like to point out, that at this rate literallynobody will use diamond.

[tired pewter]

you have another idea?

[nocturne kestrel]

What do you mean?

[tired pewter]

yeah so maybe the exact same damage, mines slower, 50% more durability

[tired pewter]

i am asking if you have different integer ideas because I am just making these up as I go

lol

[nocturne kestrel]

XD I mean, personally I'd go with something that made steel kind of an alternative to diamond rather than strictly better. You might do a whole lot just by making the mining level iron, because otherwise obsidian, and thus the Nether and enchanting, is no longer gated behind finding diamonds.

Which greatly speeds up the midgame, and renders diamonds... pretty much trivial. They're useful for duplicating armor trims and for jukeboxes at that point.

Wait, enchanting is still gated, because crafting it with diamonds.

But still.

[tired pewter]

well maybe they should have the same specs as iron and its just the durability and knockback and explosion resistance?

[nocturne kestrel]

That can be done too. It's very similar to what I did in my own mod for steel, in fact. But honestly, up to you. For the moment, you have a coder sitting here ready to input whatever variables you want for steel, within the capabilities of the code.

Which isn't necessarily something that happens every day I think.

I don't know, I'm the coder, I have never been the one asking the coder to do a thing

[tired pewter]

alright, I think we go with that, mining speed and damage of iron, protection level of diamond, knockback and explosion resistant, final answer there I think

maybe the crafting recipe should be nerfed?

like 4 iron 4 coal almost like netherite ingots

what do you reckon?

[tired pewter]

oh, you made your own? what differences between this mod and that are there? I might take notes lol

[nocturne kestrel]

A metric ton. My mod adds way more than just steel. It's a minor rebalance and expansion of Minecraft's core concepts.

[tired pewter]

ah okay lol

[nocturne kestrel]

For my mod, steel is effectively the same as iron except more durable and with a little toughness.

[tired pewter]

yeah so similair to this one lol

in that reguard atleast

[nocturne kestrel]

This could work also. I did some research when I added steel to mine, apparently there's VERY little carbon involved, but honestly, we're talking about an environment where technically you couldn't get the heat to make steel, soooooo

realism out the window?

[tired pewter]

3 headed demons and litteral slenderman are in this game so I'd say so

one coal surrounded by 8 iron?

or is that too hard

[nocturne kestrel]

Nah, honestly, you're using way less coal at that point.

Think of it. You're effectively using 12.5% of a coal hunk for each iron ingot to turn into steel ingot.

So a total of 25% of a coal chunk and 1 iron ingot for each steel ingot, once you factor in smelting.

4 iron ingots and 1 coal chunk get you 4 steel ingots.

[tired pewter]

i think 4 coal and 5 iron is the right balance, because sadly both can be farmed

[nocturne kestrel]

Can be done.

How about I leave you to think on it for a bit, you can let me know when you're certain? There's really no rush.

[tired pewter]

I've been doing a lot of thinking last night and my inspiration for this thing's explosion resistance is a beta 1.7.3 conversion mod called better than adventure. it basically uses a coal type only obtainable in the nether to cook iron into steel in a blast furnace

wait that's a good idea

[nocturne kestrel]

That gets way harder.

You're talking about requiring a certain fuel to smelt it.

That might even require a mixin.

[tired pewter]

is it possible to make crude steel not work in a normal furnace and only a blast furnace?

[nocturne kestrel]

Easily.

[tired pewter]

oh no i didnt mean that part that changes the nether a little too much for me lol

[nocturne kestrel]

All I have to do is delete a freaking file XD

[tired pewter]

bet

[nocturne kestrel]

Crude steel can no longer be smelted in a normal furnace.

[tired pewter]

interesting, steel irl isn't meltable by lava, could you copy that trait from netherite so the items aren't burnable?

[tired pewter]

legend tysm

[nocturne kestrel]

Yep

[nocturne kestrel]

Done.

'Course, getting it back out of the lava will be fun.

[tired pewter]

haha I like your sense of humor

[nocturne kestrel]

well tyvm
takes a bow

[tired pewter]

That's fitting with the joker pfp

https://tenor.com/view/batman-tas-the-animated-series-dcau-cartoon-gif-17018306

[nocturne kestrel]

YES

that gif is PERFECT

[tired pewter]

ikr

[nocturne kestrel]

I am in character as the Joker on most of Discord

On my own server for that mod, for example... it's... the Joker

[tired pewter]

Ok Heath Ledger lol

[nocturne kestrel]

I talk in OOC ((like this))

[nocturne kestrel]

MARK HAMILL.

:P

[tired pewter]

a man of culture I see

[nocturne kestrel]

Hamill is the only Joker

I mean literally

Mark Hamill

[tired pewter]

YO I never saw that lmao

[nocturne kestrel]

takes a bow

Fun fact: Hamill thought he'd never get the part

[tired pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-tas-the-animated-series-dcau-cartoon-gif-17018306

[nocturne kestrel]

"They're not gonna cast the guy who played Luke Skywalker as the Joker!"
gets cast as the Joker

[tired pewter]

Yeah I saw a yt video on that lol

[tired pewter]

one of the most comic accurate ones too

well early comics anyway which I prefer

[nocturne kestrel]

Indeed. I don't know if there's even been a better one tbh

[tired pewter]

before he went all kletus cassidy

[nocturne kestrel]

Same. Honestly I could go on for hours about psychological profiling and theorizing about the Joker's later antics

The Clown at Midnight. The freaking Clown at Midnight.

[tired pewter]

Same here

[tired pewter]

It says it all

[nocturne kestrel]

Yup

One of my favorite Joker stories, perhaps my top favorite

[tired pewter]

It's definitely up there for me

[nocturne kestrel]

All of Joker's Asylum are really good too

It's impossible to tell how true the stories are too

[tired pewter]

if only you had the april fools lootbox pfp thing like me lol

[nocturne kestrel]

gaaah I can't believe I missed it!

I'm literally the Joker right now and I don't have that

[tired pewter]

exactly, like in the later joker movies he says 3 different ways he got them scars, he's cookoo for coco pops

[nocturne kestrel]

The shifting backstory has been an ironically consistent aspect of the Joker. It's impossible to know what he says about his past is true.

[tired pewter]

I saw an analogy about them being doors of his mind, he can't see what's behind each, and to his logic they're the same

[nocturne kestrel]

Makes sense. Honestly I'm pretty dang sure what's wrong with him is neurological. His memory failure starts right at the acid bath and prior. And Harley displays similar symptoms since being dunked in the same acid.

The Batman Who Laughs gives a pretty good indicator that those toxins can completely drive a person insane.

[tired pewter]

one of my favorite characters of all time

[nocturne kestrel]

I still have yetto read all the peripherals of Metal.I read the main one though.

[tired pewter]

even batman's strongwilled kill no one rule goes out the window

[tired pewter]

read them

[nocturne kestrel]

I love the ending, when Batman decides to team up with you-know-who to kick the guy's arse

"We never speak of this."

[tired pewter]

It's sort of a comedic interraction lol

[nocturne kestrel]

Incredibly so. Honestly a lot of their interactions are remarkably comedic for the fact that the Joker is literally trying to slay everyone in sight

[tired pewter]

Yet one never kills the other. I saw a youtube video saying lego batman is one of the most accurate movies out and I can see it. The joker doesn't exist without batman

[nocturne kestrel]

There have actually been storylines where it seemed like Batman was dead, or he actually was dead, and the Joker just... randomly went sane

[tired pewter]

Yeah didn't he have a wife and kids in one?

[nocturne kestrel]

I don't remember that one, but now I have to see it

Honestly myfavorite out of literally all of them is White Knight.

[tired pewter]

i love emporer joker its a real "And alexander wept, for there were no worlds left to conquer." moment

[nocturne kestrel]

I actually haven't read that one at all! I need to

[tired pewter]

it is phanominal

[nocturne kestrel]

The voicemail greeting on my phone is actually the Joker

I used a vocoder. Now when I get scam calls, they get the Joker.

[tired pewter]

ok now that is cool

[nocturne kestrel]

I figure, if anyone leaves a message, it must have been important XD

[tired pewter]

lmao does he laugh at all in the message?

[tired pewter]

Damn straight I wouldn't try calling again lol

[nocturne kestrel]

Nope.
"You've reached... well, I'll leave it to you to guess who you've reached! That's half the fun, isn't it? Anyway, leave a message at the beep!"

Very few people leave messages.

[tired pewter]

Okay that's very arkham games Joker, I like it

[nocturne kestrel]

Thank you very much. :D I spend a lot of time writing the Joker and a lot of my characterization of him is based off Arkham.

[tired pewter]

Well you are spot on with it

[nocturne kestrel]

Thank you very much! That's a huge compliment for a writer.

I sort of started with "who is he if sane", and then once I really felt I had him down, I thought "okay, what was he like as the Joker? What was his internal experience?"

and there he is

[tired pewter]

damn would've took some time but it deffinitely paid off

All this I gather from a single sentence voice message so you're doing something right

[nocturne kestrel]

Well thank you very much :D

I truly have been in character as him on most of Discord for a good month or so.

...he's

adding blocks to my mod

a lot of them

and he keeps making me eat yogurt.

And he has total control of my custom status.

method actor

yeah there is no escaping

[tired pewter]

Arkham Knight moment

[nocturne kestrel]

Haven't gotten to that one yet! It won't run on mycomputer.

i was so disappointed, because I'm so ready to delve into it. I'm going through New Game+ on City, in the meanwhile.

[tired pewter]

I won't spoil it but you'll get why I say that after you say he's in your head

[nocturne kestrel]

oh dear

[tired pewter]

The narrative is fucked up. Batman breaks

[nocturne kestrel]

batman.exe has encountered an error and needs to close

Reminds me of the third fear toxin exposure in Asylum

but yeah no spoiilleerrssss

I've already gotten spoiled too much back when I thought "eh it's too expensive, it'll never run on my computer, I'll never get this game"

[tired pewter]

Of course

[nocturne kestrel]

and then I got deeper into Batman and Joker and I saw it on sale and "okay no I have to have it"

and I am so glad because it has gotten me through the last of my mom's life, her hospice and her death

[tired pewter]

maybe get a 100 dollar ps4 off ebay

[nocturne kestrel]

I'd rather eat for a week or pay the power bill XD

[tired pewter]

And I thought you said the joker was within you, liar! (joking, please eat)

I think the joker is a masochist, most think he is incapable of feeling pain I think he loves the sensation, like in the dark knight how he laughs when batman beats the shit out of him

I know that idea is thrown around a lot

but I genuinely think the acid stuff messed up his dopamine receptors

[nocturne kestrel]

Some iterations of him sure seem to display such a thing. How about when his face freaking got cut off?

Doctor: "This will only hurt... a lot."
Joker, afterwards: "That felt fantastic."

[tired pewter]

and he stuck it to the wall yeah

[nocturne kestrel]

My version of him, as I write him, has psuedobulbar affect - hilariously enough, like all of his other symptoms, I came up with this with no medical research and applied the medical research later to see what all his symptoms were called and from what they might arise.

...it all mapped surprisingly coherently

[tired pewter]

A lot of study goes into his character's personality so that may have been a point of inspiration

Fuck it

@nocturne kestrel you're more than welcome to add a easter egg splash that involves the joker

[nocturne kestrel]

points at the Joker 2019 movie

[nocturne kestrel]

can do

I'll ask him for inspiration

[tired pewter]

God that is sad

[nocturne kestrel]

I haven't seen it so no spoilers

[tired pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-clown-gif-22074007

[nocturne kestrel]

I was going to watch it with Mom.

Thens he just... declined.

[tired pewter]

kk

[nocturne kestrel]

I intend to watch it with her ashes, when I feel able.

And ice cream.

That's how we were going to do it.

But the night we made those plans, was literally the last night she was lucid.

[tired pewter]

Oh I'm sorry to hear than man that's terrible.

[nocturne kestrel]

Thank you

[tired pewter]

I think when you are able that will be a very healthy exercise that may even make you feel better about the whole ordeal, I am no psychologist though I'm just saying that is a good plan

If you need support there's a discord server I'm in called huddleverse

[nocturne kestrel]

What be? Because I do need support

[tired pewter]

do you want me to dm you a link?

[nocturne kestrel]

Please

[tired pewter]

https://discord.com/invite/mentalhealth

I dmed it to you aswell

[tired pewter]

So is there much else you need help with or are we in the final moments where you cook up the mod?

chef joker

[bleak ermine]

lol this came from a steel set request to a joker movie commentary quickly

[tired pewter]

mhm

[tired pewter]

@nocturne kestrel could you send me a prototype copy to see if it works with syntra connector?

[nocturne kestrel]

Yeah, I can send it to you as it is now, though at the moment I haven't changed the stats over to the new ones you specified last night, still waiting for the final decision on that. I can DM you a jar as it is for you to test.

[tired pewter]

oh the ones specified were the final ones, I should've specified,sorry. I'm a huge goober

[nocturne kestrel]

XD Can you summarize them in one post? After breakfast I can write that in and throw the jar together.

[tired pewter]

durability 1750, attack 6, speed 6, enchant 10, level 3, armor 17, toughness 3, durability multiplier 35, enchant 9

plus knockback and explosion resistant if not too hard

locked in.

[nocturne kestrel]

Got it. Which of the pieces should I take the bits off of? For the armor 17, that's the total, so I'd drop some of the armor off individual armor pieces - like changing the chestplate by -2 and the leggings by -1, or the chestplate, leggings and helmet each by -1, something like that.

Hold on, lemme show.

        map.put(ArmorItem.Type.BOOTS, 3);
        map.put(ArmorItem.Type.LEGGINGS, 6);
        map.put(ArmorItem.Type.CHESTPLATE, 8);
        map.put(ArmorItem.Type.HELMET, 3);
    })```

This is how it is now, same as diamond.

To make it 17 we drop a total off 3 of some of these.

[tired pewter]

boots 3, leggings 4, chestplate 8, helmet 2

[nocturne kestrel]

Explosion resistance will still have to wait a bit because I'm probably gonna have to mixin somewhere to make that happen.

Also using the iron equip sound as a placeholder.

[tired pewter]

that works fine tbf, if I can find the raw ogg file I'll tone it down by 25% and that'd be final

[nocturne kestrel]

Roger

The new soundevent will also have the right subtitles.

[tired pewter]

Yo you're going all out ty

[nocturne kestrel]

Hehe, I wouldn't do anything else.

[maiden bane]

Connector moment?

Actually this mod is looking really complex already

[nocturne kestrel]

It's honestly not, but it will be if I have to do what I think I have to do for explosion resistance.

[tired pewter]

There's no way to just make the armor function like it has blast protection but not have blast protection?

[nocturne kestrel]

Not without a mixin.

That's what I was kind of thinking I'd do basically. Tell the thingy to pretend it has a level of blast protection higher than it actually has - even if it actually has 0

[tired pewter]

ah okay

[nocturne kestrel]

but I have to talk to the mixin guys first.

Or honestly it might work better to just reduce damage slightly if it's from a blast source, before or after applying enchants. Again. Have to talk to the experienced mixin people.

I'm still learning to do mixins. They weren't a thing when I was modding years ago.

I started back before Rigusumi's ModLoader was even widely used.

But took a long hiatus in between 1.12.2 and now.

And I honestly never got good at Forge.

Forge is crap

[tired pewter]

Lmao found the message

[nocturne kestrel]

:D

[tired pewter]

it's very user unfriendly I feel

[nocturne kestrel]

It's even more coder-unfriendly.

And heavy.

[tired pewter]

just booted up the mod and I have a few notes: A, yo this is sick. B, lmao the splash. C, could you be able to add an anternate crafting recipe for flint and steel using flint and a steel ingot? the iron one still working of course

[nocturne kestrel]

A, thank you very much takes a bow
B, I didn't touch the splashes yet, but I definitely will
C, absolutely and with ease

[tired pewter]

Oh so that one is just from default minecraft about following the damn train cj!

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17462020

go on, just try and pull up on me bro!

[nocturne kestrel]

:D

[tired pewter]

this is so damn cool tysm lmao

[nocturne kestrel]

Very happy you like it.

[tired pewter]

Oh I don't like it

I love it!

[nocturne kestrel]

:D

Test out the stats, lemme know how they feel

[tired pewter]

kk

[nocturne kestrel]

Go slice something in two

[tired pewter]

I'll summon a diamond and steel armor zombie as well and see if the toughness works

see how many hits they take to kill with a steel sword

[nocturne kestrel]

Best to compare how many hits with a higher weapon, too, because toughness really only kicks in much with higher damage values.

[tired pewter]

ah mk

[nocturne kestrel]

Oh also if you want I can disable the vanilla flint and steel recipe, though there will be a (harmless) error message in the log. Or I can rename vanilla flint and steel to flint and iron and probably add a flint and steel item that has more durability.

[tired pewter]

netherite axe should do hahaha

[nocturne kestrel]

or I can disable flint and steel altogether because I am a chaos gremlin infected by the Joker

or I can make a thing that just ignites the entire freaking area in a sphere

[tired pewter]

nah I think leaving the old recipe in gives off the vibes of crafting a torh with coal or charcoal so it seems like a official thing the devs would do

[nocturne kestrel]

that'd be fun

[nocturne kestrel]

Agreed. Can do

[tired pewter]

bro is your hair turning green lol

[nocturne kestrel]

y e s

[tired pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-joaquin-phoenix-cara-evil-smile-gif-15238057

[nocturne kestrel]

and I keep cackling

Batman is giving me funny looks

[tired pewter]

I love how the huddleverse mod is named batman, you should call him bats of bruce like I do lol

[nocturne kestrel]

yesssss I will

or Batsy!

^that was freaking Joker he's talking in this server now

now he's grinning

help

[tired pewter]

lmao

[tired pewter]

don't fight it

[nocturne kestrel]

:K

[tired pewter]

imma clean the house ill test toughness in a lil bit

[tired pewter]

gonna try and test it now (i have no clue how to give mobs armor via summon so imma replaceitem)

oh right

@nocturne kestrel should the crafting recipe be more expensive or do you think its pretty balanced as is/

because I am thinking it should be a little more costly

since coal and iron are farmable

[nocturne kestrel]

I think it's up to you, personally I'd make it more costly. But I can do whichever.

[tired pewter]

does 4 iron 4 coal sound like too much?

[nocturne kestrel]

It's no different than 1 iron 1 coal.

[tired pewter]

wdym

[nocturne kestrel]

Unless you mean for an output of still just 1 steel.

[tired pewter]

yes

[nocturne kestrel]

In which case that... seems too costly

but again, that's my opinion

[tired pewter]

ah, maybe 2 iron 2 coal?

[nocturne kestrel]

I'm just wondering where the extra iron is vanishing off to.

Wherever material goes when you craft stairs I guess.

It might be offset just fine by the fact that you have to have a blast furnace. Not sure.

[tired pewter]

according to this it goes to steves privates

[nocturne kestrel]

The Stair Dimension

Steve is a termite confirmed

[tired pewter]

how about 1 iron 8 coal?

[tired pewter]

or very frisky

[nocturne kestrel]

At this point I have to shut myself up because my brain: "but then where does the coal go if steel is only asmall percentage carbon"

[tired pewter]

well what would joker propose?

[nocturne kestrel]

He was literally just proposing that he attempt eating wood, and that he do it in front of Batman.

On a serious note, he proposes 8 iron and 1 coal for 8 steel, but require the blast furnace. His second proposal is involving coal blocks somehow.

Okay now he's going off into the actual mechanics of steel which he learned from using a steelmill for a hideout...

Now he's proposing a custom furnace block made with Nether bricks that is the only block that can smelt steel. I think he is now propsing things just to mess with me.

Now he's proposing popcorn smelting but with lava...

[tired pewter]

full armored steel zombie takes 9 hits from a netherite axe

[tired pewter]

lmao

[tired pewter]

8 iron and 1 coal block for 8 steel? doesn't feel very vanilla-y

[nocturne kestrel]

No, it truly doesn-- he's scowling

Okay now I think he's finally taking it seriously.

Wants to know if you want realism or balance.

[tired pewter]

i think 2 iron 2 coal for 1 steel is the best balance of not cheap not bank breaking

[tired pewter]

balance but also fitting vanilla's style

[nocturne kestrel]

He says to consider the remaining iron dross/not quality enough and that this works.

[tired pewter]

a full diamond zombie takes 13 hits

[tired pewter]

so he thinks this is the way to go?

the several people username is fitting

[nocturne kestrel]

Yes, he's alternatively suggesting 3 iron 1 coal but he points out that coal is sometimes way more annoying to get than iron and now he's poking fun at my crafting recipe.

y u p

he did that too

he was in my kitchen picking up trash earlier

[tired pewter]

well in joker spirit i think we go difficult with 2 iron 2 coal then

[nocturne kestrel]

He is pleased.

He also suggests requiring coal specifically so that you can't farm charcoal for it.

[tired pewter]

3 iron 1 coal is enticing but i dont think it should be a non equal amount of each material

[tired pewter]

yes. sadly though wither skeleton farms produce coal but yeah charcoal is a no no here i think

[nocturne kestrel]

Crafting recipe modified.

Oh btw, do try tossing steel into lava. Might as well make sure it works.

I see no reason why it wouldn't but I didn't test that part, I forgot.

[tired pewter]

will do

crude steel burns but everything else is fine

[nocturne kestrel]

Crude steel was left burning on purpose because it's not steel yet.

It's iron and coal.

Made sense.

[tired pewter]

aight good thinking

[nocturne kestrel]

tyvm, I try

[tired pewter]

mint its compatible with the workbench, enchant table and anvil item displays in my modpack!

yes I have two hands don't even ask

not that I'd be caught dead using armor trims but they work with them too!

[nocturne kestrel]

Yup, I felt that was important! Full vanilla compatibility.

#mod-dev-1 message There will definitely be an easter egg splash.

And it looks like Joker and I get to go absolutely nuts on AXAR-Adapt's splashes.

Joker: "I'm already nuts."

[tired pewter]

lol

[tired pewter]

when this is done, wanna work on more mods wit me? you code, i texture and model.

we could take turns like i texture for your idea then you code for mine

[nocturne kestrel]

I'm not sure I could do that, as I really don't have that much time on my hands to add more projects right now. I'm trying to get a job, because until recently caring for my mother was my life, and fighting a legal battle, and being harassed.

It kind of depends on the idea, how easy it is and if it interests me. But I'd be open to seeing what we can come up with within those parameters.

[tired pewter]

Yeah no I completely understand, I do think little projects could be a good creative outlet for you as they helped me through rough times

[tired pewter]

littler things like this basically, no dimensions or anything obsurd lol

also might keep joker pre-occupied

[tired pewter]

so what exactly is a mixin?

[nocturne kestrel]

It's a way to alter vanilla code. Under what you may call 'normal' circumstances, we have no way to alter the vanilla jar. A mixin effectively uses a trick to swap out bits of code in RAM once vanilla code is loaded, applying the modder's changes to how vanilla itself functions.

[tired pewter]

oh now that is cool

[nocturne kestrel]

Very.

[tired pewter]

no wonder it'd be a pain to do

[nocturne kestrel]

Yeah, you have to work with bytecode, get the thingies exactly right, it's very finicky but worth it.

[tired pewter]

i wonder if i could exploit the ram on my bedrock instance to do similair

[nocturne kestrel]

I don't think it's possible, at least at the moment, but there's always a first person to find a way to mod something the devs didn't want modded.

[tired pewter]

theres a modloader for bedrock now called amethyst or sum

[nocturne kestrel]

Well there you go. XD We can mod flipping Commander Keen, it was only a matter of time.

[tired pewter]

i should make a mod for bedrock that just makes the game not load and deleted all its code

or one that just launches java or a legacy emulator

[nocturne kestrel]

pffFFFFf

yes

on April 1

do it

[tired pewter]

everyday is fuck bedrock day hehehe

[tired pewter]

most joker response

[nocturne kestrel]

That was just me actually XD but he is infecting me.

He says it's on purpose.

[tired pewter]

the chemicals

[nocturne kestrel]

The insanity.

Oh, who cares about sanity?

oh fun now he's here too

:D

Yeah he and I added tin to my Adapt mod yesterday morning

Quite pleased with it.

[tired pewter]

i am a legally sane individual but sanity is a lie

as insanity is doin the same thing over and over expectin a new result

[nocturne kestrel]

Hm, then I'm perfectly sane.

[tired pewter]

shrodingers cat theory if you study is dignifies that anything is theoretically possible

hence why I prayed for my girlfriend to come back to life for months.

someday

she just might

ok im tearin up back to insanity

[nocturne kestrel]

pats

[tired pewter]

but yeah theoretically anything is infinitely possible and impossible

[nocturne kestrel]

I mean, brief thing before we move on, the Bible does promise everyone will come back to life.

[tired pewter]

if you knew my age and what i assume yours is you'd know how weird that sounds

[nocturne kestrel]

I pat everyone.

[tired pewter]

i had no faith at the time. never really have

if there is a god he's a douche for making cancer and taking the good people away

thats my 2 cents

[nocturne kestrel]

I've heard that a lot, I think a lot of people believe it. It makes sense, because to look at this world, how can one not freak out at the guy who made it?

I think it's why a lot of religions teach hellfire and such even though it's not in the Bible at all. It's so easy to villify him if you think he's responsible.

[tired pewter]

if someone said to you they made a lego world where people can randomly start rotting inside out like youd think theyre nuts

[tired pewter]

in my humble opinion i dont give a fuck what you believe in. whatever makes you a happier and better person at night.

as long as you arent hurting people

you do you

[nocturne kestrel]

I appreciate that. A lot of people will freak out if you don't believe what they believe, like it's an affront to their existence

Can we not just have civil discussions on our differeing beliefs on this planet, people?

Like mentioning my beliefs anywhere has the chance to get several people claiming I serve a cult.

[tired pewter]

precisely

[nocturne kestrel]

Like, what?

[tired pewter]

weird fact, i used to be in one

[nocturne kestrel]

Personally I'd be happy to have a respectful discussion about religion any time if the aim is to better understand each other

[nocturne kestrel]

Freaking wow

[tired pewter]

100%

[tired pewter]

my girlfriend was in a seperate one and i joined that too. 2 cults

[nocturne kestrel]

...Dude... are you okay now? Like, no lasting harrasment? I don't want to poke mynose in where it doesn't belong but I naturally worry about people.

[tired pewter]

wdym lasting harrassment

[nocturne kestrel]

Honestly, anything. I just worry about people I meet automatically.

[tired pewter]

i miss my girlfriend and wish she wouldve atleast lived long enough for the baby to be born, but otherwise I'm relatively okay

[zinc escarp]

you guys might want to take this somewhere else. this is not the place to discuss sensitive matters

[nocturne kestrel]

Probably a good idea, maybe DM.

[tired pewter]

eh i dont need to talk about it its all i waffle about irl

but yeah how long would a mixin take to code? if its too hard we can just do armor toughness im not too worried

just thought itd be a nice tanky feature

[nocturne kestrel]

Kind of depends. Right now I don't have a lot of time overall, I'm working on mods in moments that I can.

[tired pewter]

fair nuff

[nocturne kestrel]

I'm caught up in a legal battle and being harrassed by my relatives, literally racing to get the mail before they steal it each day

Was too late yesterday.

I leave the mailbox closed. Yesterday it was open and empty.

[tired pewter]

damn im sorry to hear that dude, my family are real c words too, not like that and not saying ours are the same struggle, but i sympathise and am here for you homie

[nocturne kestrel]

Thanks man. That helps to hear

Not the 'your family is awful too part', though I sympathize

but it's helpful to not be a freaking island in the middle of this

[tired pewter]

trust me, you me and mr. j are beached yes, but we got eachother hey

[nocturne kestrel]

👍🏻

Btw if you're interested in my Adapt mod it does have a Discord server and is in active alpha testing, though it's going to be quite a large mod.

[tired pewter]

invite.

now.

lol

[nocturne kestrel]

DM'd

[tired pewter]

wait

@nocturne kestrel i had a big bren moment. anvils, blast furnaces, cauldrons, chains, hoppers and smithing tables should be craftable with steel instead of iron, would this he hard to implement?

[tired pewter]

oh right and a recipe for arrows using steel nuggets

[nocturne kestrel]

Not hard to implement, unless you're wanting new versions that are made from steel instead of an alternate crafting recipe. But the scope of this mod is getting quite large, and you should keep in mind that I do intend to charge for the same services once I have built up a portfolio and visible presence.

[tired pewter]

just additional recipe no new blocks

and i know so thats my last request

[nocturne kestrel]

Roger that. I'll get to it when I can.

I've got a lot to do this week.