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tiny frigate
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this isnt really something that exists, at least without breaking a lot of things

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fabric mods often directly modify game code, while server jars that support plugins do the same

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additionally, the bukkit api is like 10 years old at this point and... well... is utter garbage

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these factors combined make it basically impossible to run both plugins and mods at the same time

arctic path
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this only support forge

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but i need fabric

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@tiny frigate

tiny frigate
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yes these things exist on forge

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but its not possible to make on fabric

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so it doesnt exist

arctic path
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why

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fabric is shit

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i need plugins + mods

tiny frigate
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then dont use fabric

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lmao

arctic path
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a need mods

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and plugins

tiny frigate
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do you really want to use a "shit" modloader though?

arctic path
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ahh

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shit is because fabric dont have softwars on plugins + mods

tiny frigate
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nothing much fabric can do about that

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people have tried

wheat shadow
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What plugins do you need, you mostly can find alternatives.
Fabrics ways of modifing the game are very powerful.
That brings great oppertuinties for us.
But plugins were never designed with mods in mind.
This may change in the future with mojang setting up everything for data driven items, which plugins will need to adapt to (or at least I hope they will…) But currently their is no viable way to do what you are asking for in the fabric ecosystem

arctic path
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fabric + plugins soft. was here but i can find some

arctic path
wheat shadow
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Luckperms is availabe for fabric

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Coreprotect ledger

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arctic path
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ok i try it

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thanks for support

royal falcon
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it should be pretty easy to do

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but mod compat may be less than ideal

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you don't need to implement the api, you can just take a paper patched jar and remap to yarn mappings

gray epoch
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There have been many attepts (cardbroad, banner, etc.), but none work well. There are issues specifically with the Item/Block enums in the bukkit api and some other places where plugins aren't built to handle modded content

final prism
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Banner and Cardboard exist that attempt to do this. These two are both really broken currently and don’t work well

gray epoch
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Remapping the paper jar would probably break too many mixins from fapi and other mods to be usable

royal falcon
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idk if you dont use paper patches you are kind of throwing away the main reason people use paper

final prism
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Why do people use Paper thonk

royal falcon
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performance and exploit fixes

final prism
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I mean, I’ve had better performance on Fabric to be honest

royal falcon
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lol

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scale that to even 50 players

final prism
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The only downside to fabric is that Paper tends to scale better

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But you are ruining Minecraft’s core features once you scale that far

royal falcon
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no?

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you can have vanilla spawn rates and ai with folia or antoher sharding solution

final prism
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Paper breaks too many things to list to gain “performance”

gray epoch
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The ecosystem is smaller on fabric so obviously some things are not possible. But, for large player counts you'd want to use folia, which would totally break every mod

gray epoch
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I know

royal falcon
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but it is fine since when you get that big you make your own plugins for the most part

royal falcon
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i cant generate millions of light updates to break the game

final prism
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Redstone parity isn’t game breaking last time I checked widetater

gray epoch
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Paper breaking piston doors is not on that level

royal falcon
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less than 0.0001% of minecraft players will ever make anything more complex than a piston door

royal falcon
final prism
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It does

gray epoch
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For bigger ones, it does

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It changes update order

royal falcon
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you can use vanilla redstone mechanics

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its a setting

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and the alternate current one too

gray epoch
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Which usually isn't on

royal falcon
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alternate current is default

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and that one doesnt break stuff to my knowledge?

gray epoch
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That's news to me

royal falcon
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oh default is vanilla

gray epoch
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It breaks less than the old paper one according to what I've heard, but it's not 1-to-1

final prism
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AC still doesn’t replicate vanilla perfectly. It will break many farms that rely on zero tick mechanics

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And the good farms rely heavily on zero tick to move blocks quicker

royal falcon
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then dont turn on that option

wheat shadow
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paper can have perfect redstone partiy

royal falcon
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90% of the "paper bad" issues are just people changing the configuration or coping that some servers decrease spawn rates for performance

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the only valid complaint is that it removes bedrock breaking with no toggle

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but you can just use purpur

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and you get more performance patches

wheat shadow
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The main thing is just no one has ever done it in a way that worked well. (That we should be able to agree on)
But you could just use ignite at that point to mod your server

royal falcon
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oh so based

wheat shadow
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(note: ignite does not work with fabric mods, it just allows you to use mixins on a paper-like servers. To give you more control over meachanics)

mystic sparrow
wheat shadow
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Huh ping?

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Ghost ping?

mystic sparrow
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Yeah

arctic path
wheat shadow