Coding free multiplayer [Looking for help & testers] Zero port forwarding | The Fabric Project | Page 3

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:02 AM

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Is there no way to make it one-way though?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:02 AM

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nope

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:02 AM

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craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:02 AM

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Yes obviously

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:02 AM

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Party B wouldnt even know we pinged him

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:03 AM

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it may work by chance but in a lot less cases than if both players use the mod

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:03 AM

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How would it work?

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:03 AM

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Doesn't the server list ping the servers for info?

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Can you not use that?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:03 AM

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actually nvm it cant work

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:03 AM

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craggy cloak Doesn't the server list ping the servers for info?

I think we can't reach B

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:03 AM

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minecraft client afaik does not use a consistent port to bind to, which is necessary for hole punching

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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vapid plaza minecraft client afaik does not use a consistent port to bind to, which is neces...

it does

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25565

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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25565

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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I forced it to

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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craggy cloak Doesn't the server list ping the servers for info?

yes, using the same connection

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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Use 25565 every time

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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gleaming beacon 25565

no, i mean client, not server

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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But still B will never know we tried to reach it.

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:04 AM

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when you join hypixel, does your local pc always use the same port to initiate connection to hypixel? i thought not

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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vapid plaza when you join hypixel, does your local pc always use the same port to initiate c...

Nope

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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Then... would it be possible to make a proxy that handles client punching and then redirects?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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yeah then you need the mod on both players

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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craggy cloak Then... would it be possible to make a proxy that handles client punching and th...

Well then just

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Dont holepunch

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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It'd be more secure than e2mc though

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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Wait I have an idea.

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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data isn't going through the proxy

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just the initial connection info

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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I wonder how they earn enough to pay for proxy servers.

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:05 AM

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We could do something like auth server?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 AM

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Imo the whole Point of this

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 AM

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But as optional feature

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 AM

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Is that only the clients know they are connected

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 AM

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but why, we started making this mod with the intent of having a serverless option

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 AM

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Hmm okay

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 AM

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lofty timber Is that only the clients know they are connected

And do net send any Data elsewhere thats Not the clients or mojank

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:07 AM

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Wait if a client spam connects to my server it trys to ping my port?
The problem would be the connection rate

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but in theory we could establish hole punching with this, couldn't we?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:08 AM

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You would need to try every port

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And have sheer luck of hitting the right one

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:08 AM

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lofty timber You would need to try every port

Nono I mean we have fixed ports

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:08 AM

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if you dont ping the client first, nothing is gonna happen

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:08 AM

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Like this information is still shared by both patires

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:08 AM

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nat will reject the packet

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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vapid plaza if you dont ping the client first, nothing is gonna happen

well but if we do ping the client?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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To which port would we?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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gleaming beacon well but if we do ping the client?

you just reinvented normal hole punching

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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A commonly agreed upon by both patries

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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Vanilla does Not agree on a Open port

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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vapid plaza you just reinvented normal hole punching

Well yes, but only with one side having the mod 🤔

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:09 AM

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It opens a random one when trying to connect

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But other than that the nat will drop every packet

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:10 AM

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Ohhh

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:10 AM

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you need to be able to set the port the client uses, cant do that in vanilla

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 10:10 AM

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gleaming beacon Well yes, but only with one side having the mod 🤔

No, because vanilla uses TCP.

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:10 AM

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🤔

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:10 AM

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patent elbow No, because vanilla uses TCP.

you can do one sided tcp, it worked in my tests

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server sends a singular SYN packet and starts listening, client has about 60 seconds to do a completely normal TCP handshake

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:11 AM

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Well anyhow I think the server-less approach is the core of the project.
We shouldn't drop that.

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:11 AM

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exactly

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:11 AM

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Well gole sends 2;30 min of syn packets to answer to, then just Stop trying

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM

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the other approach is also nead but would be more suited as a fork of e2mc

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM

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We could later add it as an option/addon?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM

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lofty timber Well gole sends 2;30 min of syn packets to answer to, then just Stop trying

gole uses udp, it can send and receive whatever it wants

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM

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Not really addon

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Rework

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM

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it would be close enough to a different mod probably

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM

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Yes

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:13 AM

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Btw can I currently do anything?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:13 AM

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vapid plaza it would be close enough to a different mod probably

Shall i Ping you once i am Home?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:13 AM

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gleaming beacon Btw can I currently do anything?

Stop me from commiting mass genocide whilst doing ui magic

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:13 AM

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I could help with ui, as IBM is currently in exam phase :)

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:14 AM

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gleaming beacon Btw can I currently do anything?

i needed testers 30min ago and will need them again in 30min when im done cleaning

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ill come bother you two again then

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:14 AM

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gleaming beacon I could help with ui, as IBM is currently in exam phase :)

Well i Just need to actually Render two Strings

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:14 AM

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Which class

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:14 AM

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And then bash togegher a log screen

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Somehow

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:14 AM

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Let me clone the repo

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:15 AM

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lofty timber And then bash togegher a log screen

Where IP is matched with Connection state

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:15 AM

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Oh you mean where the buttons are in the text?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:15 AM

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Once i Press create

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:15 AM

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Okay

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:15 AM

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I shall Open another screen

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Where the progress of each Connection is logged

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And updated

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On the progress If its waiting

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Failrd

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Pending

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Or succeeded

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:16 AM

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Okay

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I can do that, I hope :)

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:17 AM

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Give it a go

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Just bang togegher a screen

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I will do the loggin Integration If yea want

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:19 AM

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gleaming beacon I can do that, I hope :)

Ima annoy you in a few minutes

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To get into vc

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:19 AM

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I'm on my discord :)

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 10:20 AM

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See you soon spanish_inquisition_3

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:23 AM

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My ToDo list:

getPublicIP server should be configurable
Make P2P greyed out if no interconnection can be established.

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 10:27 AM

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lofty timber Once i Press create

Does this "create" button exist?

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 10:39 AM

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I think we should remove P2P from the title screen

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and move it to the multiplayer screen

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maybe add a widget to the server list

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"Host a World"

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and "Join via P2P"

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Ill mess about next week

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Or even just

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vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:45 AM

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that was my original idea as well

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though ibwas also suggesting making the multiplayer button on the title screen half as wide, and putting p2p next to it

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to signify that its related to multiplayer but still different

south plank Jan 14, 2024, 10:47 AM

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i think P2P on the top left is kinda unfitting
the first image is IMO better, maybe slotting the P2P button somewhere in the button mess at the bottom since thats where most people look anyways

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P.S if you guys need help testing something I'm down for it if I have the time

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:48 AM

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i could use a tester right now if youre up

south plank Jan 14, 2024, 10:48 AM

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I'll probably be free sometime today, maybe in an hour if I'm lucky

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:49 AM

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oh alright

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anyone who has 5 minutes of time to test, let me know, im waiting for that currently xd

devout maple Jan 14, 2024, 10:50 AM

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vapid plaza anyone who has 5 minutes of time to test, let me know, im waiting for that curre...

i can help, what's up

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 10:51 AM

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devout maple i can help, what's up

oh nice

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give me 2 minutes to disable the base64 temporarily

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 1:06 PM

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vapid plaza give me 2 minutes to disable the base64 temporarily

Did the Test Work?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 1:07 PM

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nope, im still writing out the bugfixed and improved system

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i think im basically done though, in which case im looking for a tester again

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just needs a few finishing touches

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oof local test broke immediately xd

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nvm im just stupid and do my sanity check in the wrong place

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 1:20 PM

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vapid plaza nvm im just stupid and do my sanity check in the wrong place

just ping me

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once you need me

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 1:40 PM

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It looks like my NAT is symmetric sadtater

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 1:44 PM

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the real question is

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is your nat predictable

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or not

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 1:46 PM

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Yesn't

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While it tries to map external port same as internal, but if it earlier receives a packet from the other client on that port it decides to not use it.

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 1:50 PM

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so if the router receives on port 40000 (and ofc rejects), and then an outbound connection arrives using port 40000, it picks something else cause "40000 was just used"?

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 1:51 PM

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Yeah, I'll test it more later.

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 1:51 PM

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aw rip i think thats a gg then

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maybe if the time between is long enough, but thats not exactly reliable, since it still needs to be within the other NATs timeout

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 2:01 PM

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Timeout is about 10s

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 2:35 PM

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Another ToDo

Let clients know when the server has started the world

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 2:37 PM

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I start to think that my NAT is specially designed to prevent hole punching:
For example:
when A connects to B, InternalA:44444 ❗-> ExternalB:55555 then A's NAT maps InternalA:44444 -> ExternalA:44444,
and then B connects to A, InternalB:55555 -> ExternalA:44444 then B's NAT maps InternalB:55555 -> ExternalB:12345 ❗,
but
when A connects to B, InternalA:33333 ❗ -> ExternalB:55555 then A's NAT maps InternalA:33333 -> ExternalA:33333,
and then B connects to A, InternalB:55555 -> ExternalA:44444 then B's NAT maps InternalB:55555 -> ExternalB:55555 ❗.

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Hole punching is technically a vunerability, which is why it might be blocking it

cunning tusk Jan 14, 2024, 2:38 PM

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if you can connect somewhere without an external server or port forwarding, we call it a vulnerability

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a wise man said once

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 2:38 PM

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because we cant have nice things

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 2:41 PM

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patent elbow I start to think that my NAT is specially designed to prevent hole punching: For...

So in short it just prevents replying to unknown incoming packets, and when it detects it then changes the port.

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 2:55 PM

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@patent elbow @vapid plaza might have a solution

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 2:55 PM

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pfff i dont wanna type it all out

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 2:56 PM

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?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 2:57 PM

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boils down to, if you time it exactly right so you try to connect and the other player connects less than 2,5 seconds later, it could still work

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it only becomes completely impossible if both nats are evil about it

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 2:58 PM

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vapid plaza it only becomes completely impossible if both nats are evil about it

Yeah, of course it will work with the NAT described earlier and any other "friendly" NAT.

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But in my case both NATs are the same 😂

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 2:58 PM

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in the case of tcp it also depends if the router is smart enough to consider rst/ack packets as end of communication, which could also be a stopper

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 2:58 PM

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well

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We can test it :)

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 2:59 PM

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not me, the java impl is borked cause i am too stoopid for multithreading lol

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 3:01 PM

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Just tested even more and found that if router detects bidirectional connection, then add special 2 minutes time window in which it no longer checks for hole punching.

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But well, it doesn't help at all, as first you need to establish bidirectional connection.

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So I'll have to do further testing using probably GSM network.

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:05 PM

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Ladies & Gentlemen we have TITLES ABOVE BOXES 🎉

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 3:15 PM

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@lofty timber let me know when you can test again

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 3:16 PM

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Gimme 2 min

patent elbow Jan 14, 2024, 3:36 PM

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patent elbow So I'll have to do further testing using probably GSM network.

Nope

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Definitely not GSM

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Even worse, each packet is mapped to different port.

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 3:38 PM

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yeah 4g seems very weird, idk how it works tbh

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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gleaming beacon Ladies & Gentlemen we have TITLES ABOVE BOXES 🎉

noooo

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Back then proceed

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You dont walk backwards do you

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And you dont go backwards by clicking in the natural direction of forwards (the right)

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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That wasn't me

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That is work by @lofty timber

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Btw IMB

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I think your NativeImage trickery is weird

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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Because it crashed my game irritatered

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java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "net.minecraft.client.texture.NativeImage.getWidth()" because "this.image" is null

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Uh

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Where is that

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It can't be the YACL images

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because they're WebP

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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at net.minecraft.client.texture.NativeImageBackedTexture.method_22793(NativeImageBackedTexture.java:25) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at com.mojang.blaze3d.systems.RenderSystem.replayQueue(RenderSystem.java:196) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at com.mojang.blaze3d.systems.RenderSystem.flipFrame(RenderSystem.java:185) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at net.minecraft.client.util.Window.swapBuffers(Window.java:275) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at net.minecraft.client.MinecraftClient.render(MinecraftClient.java:1347) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at net.minecraft.client.MinecraftClient.run(MinecraftClient.java:893) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at net.minecraft.client.main.Main.main(Main.java:243) ~[minecraft-merged-a00418be9b-1.20.4-net.fabricmc.yarn.1_20_4.1.20.4+build.3-v2.jar:?]
at net.fabricmc.loader.impl.game.minecraft.MinecraftGameProvider.launch(MinecraftGameProvider.java:470) ~[fabric-loader-0.15.3.jar:?]
at net.fabricmc.loader.impl.launch.knot.Knot.launch(Knot.java:74) ~[fabric-loader-0.15.3.jar:?]
at net.fabricmc.loader.impl.launch.knot.KnotClient.main(KnotClient.java:23) ~[fabric-loader-0.15.3.jar:?]
at net.fabricmc.devlaunchinjector.Main.main(Main.java:86) ~[dev-launch-injector-0.2.1+build.8.jar:?]

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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first native java connection

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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not Native

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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I don't use skinshuffle here

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Yeah it's fucking skinshuffle all over again

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im going to cry

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it's the same issue

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we spent months trying to find out

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and then it just vanished

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magically

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:42 PM

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I found it :=

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YAY

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I have a way to reprouce it

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Can you join vc for a moment?

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:42 PM

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yeah but I'll be deafened

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:43 PM

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Okay

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yeah crash

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Just drag your window at crazy speed

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:43 PM

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Well yeah

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if you abuse the shit out of your screen

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it'll die

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that's... how abuse works

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:44 PM

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But normal minecraft doesn't die

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:44 PM

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yeah

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it does

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on the world select screen

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and sometimes the resourcepack screen

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Can't get it to crash

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Oh wait

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Is it because I can drag it to 0 width

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🤔

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Yeah

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it's on mojira

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nothing i can do abt it

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mojank issue

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not me

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 3:46 PM

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Selection screen seems to be unaffected

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🤔

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Like world selection

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 3:59 PM

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@craggy cloak

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things borked

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 4:05 PM

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🤔

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copy pasta detected

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 4:14 PM

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ye it seems so

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was a tad late that evening

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 4:23 PM

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im gonna be back later this evening, maybe or maybe not in vc

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 5:13 PM

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lofty timber <@992015816818176041>

I cant do maths

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but essentially:

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You need to calculate the max height, and then center it using the max height

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 5:30 PM

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I would need two people in aproximatly 20 minutes of time

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to test the new gui and other shinanigans

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loggin screen and some other things

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@craggy cloak where would one put a button to show their public ip?

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 5:41 PM

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lofty timber I would need two people in aproximatly 20 minutes of time

:)

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 5:42 PM

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So we have one

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We would need one more

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 5:51 PM

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@lofty timber HELLO

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I HAVE ONE

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Get on vc 1 :)

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 5:51 PM

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chill out

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 5:51 PM

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hehe

peak cosmos Jan 14, 2024, 6:20 PM

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i can help but cba with voice chat

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 6:39 PM

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i somehow broke everything

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 7:33 PM

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and it somehow is broke

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a problem for tomorrow me

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 7:33 PM

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🎉

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 7:33 PM

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@vapid plaza whats happenin on the native java side?

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Wanna get gole Out of this equation

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And i See No reason to Work in this while gole exists

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Tho i could build the framework

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Which is already kinda done

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@gleaming beacon i enslave you to fix dis pufferfish_jazz

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 7:38 PM

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im about to start porting to the new ui

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 7:39 PM

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yeefuckinhaw

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Get the newest pull

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And fire away

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Ima be there in a few minutes after showrr

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 7:39 PM

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im not gonna be in vc, my brain is kinda fried

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just a chill coding session with some youtube on the second monitor

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 7:40 PM

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If yea want

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Aw

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 7:41 PM

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vapid plaza im not gonna be in vc, my brain is kinda fried

If yea braun is completly fried after some time, Just Push and Tell me where to start i will Take Off from there

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 7:45 PM

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sure

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 8:10 PM

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theres no base64 being done anywhere in the new ui right?

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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nop

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:21 PM

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vapid plaza theres no base64 being done anywhere in the new ui right?

no

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atm i decided for just, ip as a string

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@gleaming beacon fixed the issue that it dod not recognize a connection was made for you

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 8:23 PM

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wdyml

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did it create a tunnel but not connect to it

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:23 PM

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it did everything right

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but yebaited the user into thinking it failed

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 8:24 PM

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interesting lol

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:24 PM

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was a good two hours of wondering tf i just did

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need someone to test tho if i can now still p2p them

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:24 PM

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I am online :)

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:25 PM

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jar send per dm

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 8:25 PM

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is LogginScreen supposed to be spelled like that

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id assume thats meant to be either LoginScreen or LoggingScreen

cunning tusk Jan 14, 2024, 8:28 PM

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I have a feeling I know who wrote that

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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nononono

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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vapid plaza id assume thats meant to be either LoginScreen or LoggingScreen

second

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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cunning tusk I have a feeling I know who wrote that

IT WASN'T ME

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This time

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 8:45 PM

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lmao

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:46 PM

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i am giving up for today

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because nothing works anymore

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It Just chose violence

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Not even directly joining abworld when Set to privat smh

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I think your runnable shit there broke Something @gleaming beacon

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:47 PM

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Huh?

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What runnable shit?

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Did you push all changes?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:49 PM

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Yes

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:49 PM

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gleaming beacon What runnable shit?

Quickplay broke

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It Just, refuses to Join quickplay

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:49 PM

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What does this have to do with my quickplay

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The screen was never intended to be used in that way :>

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But let me take a look

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Tf

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When you have a private Host type

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And click create

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It yeets you to the world you selected

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:51 PM

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isn't that what should happen o.O?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Yes

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But it doenst

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Thats the Problem

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:55 PM

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gleaming beacon isn't that what should happen o.O?

Comprendre?

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:55 PM

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huh

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if(shouldTunnel) {
MinecraftClient.getInstance().setScreen(new ConnectionStateScreen(this, startWorld));
} else {
startWorld.run();
}

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So shouldTunnel must be true if we get into the ConnectionStateScreen

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:57 PM

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Obv

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But we can Hammer away at that Button all we eant

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And it stays true

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If ya tried in game

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 8:57 PM

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Hmm

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That is not my stuff

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It is from IMB

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Did you touch it?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 8:59 PM

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No i did not

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The only one who touched anything there

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Was you

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:00 PM

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How touched it :sus:

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No sus emoji sadtater

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It is set here

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I did not that touch that.

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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You we're the Last Person to Messe with anything

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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but you touched it while editing button height

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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Connected to quickplay

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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Maybe you misedited something?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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I moved it Up and down my guy

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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yeah

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And I never touched it

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Ah screw this

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Ima Go to bed

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Could you Look at it?

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:03 PM

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i can try

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@lofty timber it works for me?

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What is the problem

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When I click quickplay I just join into the world

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:04 PM

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concernedtater

cunning tusk Jan 14, 2024, 9:04 PM

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pro tip: git pull

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:04 PM

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This Mod hates my mere existance

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:05 PM

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cunning tusk pro tip: git pull

I did

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three times

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:05 PM

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If i now start my pc

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And try it

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And it works

cunning tusk Jan 14, 2024, 9:05 PM

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I meant him

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:05 PM

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oh+

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he is the one currently developing

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:05 PM

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I Made the Last commit concernedtater

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:05 PM

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I'm just mocking him :)

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Btw

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We hit 2360

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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on to 10k

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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ima hit myself 2360 times if this keeps going

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JESUS CHRIST

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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Yes?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT OF MY MISERY

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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OH THE MISERY

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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IT WORKS BY JUST,, DOING NOTHING

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 PM

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EVERBODY WANTS TO BE MY ENEMY

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:08 PM

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get yo ass here

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we try to p2p

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:08 PM

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:)+

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:08 PM

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port 5000, ip is known

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:08 PM

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lofty timber IT WORKS BY JUST,, DOING NOTHING

Sounds like projects where I just watch enjarai work :)

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connect?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:09 PM

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get yo ass connecting to me

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Worked

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:09 PM

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IT WORKS

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Can I start world?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:09 PM

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try to join now

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:09 PM

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oh invalid session

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Because IDE

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BUT IT WORKS

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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;V

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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CONNECTION WORKS

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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HEHEHEHAW

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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yeefuckinhaw

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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time to add one last button to copy your public IP, and call the gole impl of this done

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well code beautification aside

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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"code beautification"

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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considering ima throw out half the ui, maybe wait on that a bit lmao

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:10 PM

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Statments dreamed up from a ridiculos

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:11 PM

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vapid plaza considering ima throw out half the ui, maybe wait on that a bit lmao

WHYY

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:dies:

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:11 PM

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we cant keep hardcoding ports forever

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:11 PM

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We arent?

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The User can decide them

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:11 PM

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we are not

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:11 PM

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yeah thats what i meant

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if that port is taken

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the mod just dies

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Oh that stuff

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:12 PM

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Let the User think for once

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:12 PM

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Well you two get to argue about that

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I'm out

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:12 PM

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orrr just dont make the user worry about that and pick a free one

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:12 PM

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Or Well If you get IT to Work your way

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I am Happy to remoce the Option to specify ports

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Is literally Just trimming parts Out of the config

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The other guis stays the Same

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Except Join ofc

cunning tusk Jan 14, 2024, 9:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/i-know-your-ip-address-we-know-your-ip-address-im-outside-your-house-meme-memes-gif-23579728

Tenor

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:13 PM

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oh no not my ip

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:14 PM

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At this point

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Half of this DC has it

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:14 PM

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cunning tusk https://tenor.com/view/i-know-your-ip-address-we-know-your-ip-address-im-outside...

Bad Snake

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:14 PM

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Im a snek

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:18 PM

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Can we multi punch a port?

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Like can Finn open port for me and Griffins?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:18 PM

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same port for two people?

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or what do you want

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:18 PM

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nope we cant

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:19 PM

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one port, one person

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:19 PM

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it might have been possible if i used mixins to edit minecrafts internal netcode, like e4mc does, but that would have been way more complicated

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:20 PM

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and not nearly as elegant

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:20 PM

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isn't port punching out of minecraft?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:20 PM

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i mean, you could argue it would be more elegant

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:20 PM

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gleaming beacon isn't port punching out of minecraft?

no, not really

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the minecraft world runs on the lan port

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:21 PM

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Because that way we don't get exponentially more ports like we currently do

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:21 PM

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every players tunnel arrives on a different random port, and those all locally connect to the lan port

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blame jdk

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cant send packets from server sockets

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if we could it would all be 1 tunnel

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:22 PM

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buutt

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What we could do

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Is make ports 1-1

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5000 on client will 5000 on server.

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:22 PM

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what does that achieve tho

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Just thinking about how we can simplifiy the system

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Or possibly get it down to one server port

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:23 PM

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that doesnt really make it any simpler

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anything that doesnt use 1 port per user will require substantial custom network code

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:24 PM

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can't we just do that and prepare everything for minecraft before it even sees the packets?

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:25 PM

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like it would be neat, but how about first we make something that works before reimplementing java sockets xd

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:25 PM

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gleaming beacon can't we just do that and prepare everything for minecraft before it even sees t...

we already do that, kinda

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:25 PM

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hmmmmmmm

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:25 PM

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vapid plaza like it would be *neat*, but how about first we make something that works before...

IT WORKS currently

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:25 PM

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@vapid plaza per your request, i added a ip button, where you can specify the service to use in the config by just puttin in another http://.....

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default beein v4.ident.me

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:26 PM

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noice

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maybe one day we can turn that into STUN but thats not urgent

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:26 PM

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urgent is, that i wanna finish this and maybe already publish without native java impl

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and wait till griffins finishes native java impl

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:28 PM

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hmm

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I would still like to make the images a bit higher res

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:30 PM

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get higher res images ig

#

@vapid plaza i now have given join and create screens their ip field

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both depend on the config ip value, they wont crash when the ip doesnt work

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just return x.x.x.x

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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bruh i was out here working on the base64 thing again

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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but the mod itself works

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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i should probably wait until youre done with all the ui

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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vapid plaza bruh i was out here working on the base64 thing again

stay away demon

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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vapid plaza i should probably wait until youre done with all the ui

wont change no more

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all the buttons are there i want

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all the configs

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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whey it was neat, and also i need to include ports in addresses

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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we may exchange an image but that does nothing

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:37 PM

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vapid plaza whey it was neat, and also i need to include ports in addresses

wat?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:38 PM

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vapid plaza whey it was neat, and also i need to include ports in addresses

rip

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:38 PM

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the join ip needs to include a port cause thats gonna be different every time

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:39 PM

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concern

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i think i am gonna annoy the hell out of a few people tomorrow

#

to test the limits of this

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:40 PM

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i told you making the netcode actually reliable is gonna be a major refactor of stuff

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:40 PM

#

vapid plaza i told you making the netcode actually reliable is gonna be a major refactor of ...

ye i totally understand

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:41 PM

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like the auto-reconnect screen on the serverside, which might break cause the client does not necessarily have access to the same port as last time

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:41 PM

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auto reconnect screen?

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that is a log screen

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:41 PM

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lofty timber all the configs

What

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:41 PM

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i mean the part where the server goes over all tunnels and tries to connect to them

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:41 PM

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or you mean in your port

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:41 PM

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You want to keep ports and ip seperate

#

I thought that only was hacky workaround?

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:42 PM

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no, it makes more sense when you think bout it

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:42 PM

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the port is just as important as the ip, and they will always be used together

#

they do kinda need to be together in the config

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:42 PM

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And thats what they currently are

#

They are in the Same config File, where you can assign every IP their own Port

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:43 PM

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oh alright

#

tomorrow i really need to just try the mod in its current state, trying to understand all the components without having used them is getting me nowhere

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:45 PM

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Depending on the time

#

I can be your Guinea pig

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:46 PM

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ive basically just wasted 2 hours doing the wrong thing

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:46 PM

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If we keep this Up we could create our own Org and start our own discord and not clutter this thread concernedtater

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:46 PM

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oof

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:46 PM

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With all them Messages we produce

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:46 PM

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i think its funny lmao

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:47 PM

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vapid plaza ive basically just wasted 2 hours doing the wrong thing

You dont waste your time, you learned smth

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 9:47 PM

#

lofty timber If we keep this Up we could create our own Org and start our own discord and not...

https://discord.gg/frJNEhPkgd

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ill make a channel

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:47 PM

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We Got recruited

#

Off we Go lol

#

Got drafted

gleaming beacon Jan 14, 2024, 9:48 PM

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https://discord.com/channels/997618639614247062/1196209061075619920

#

For continue there :)

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:49 PM

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i got cucked by the server

craggy cloak Jan 14, 2024, 9:49 PM

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add a phone number to discord then lol

vapid plaza Jan 14, 2024, 9:49 PM

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ew i dont wanna give discord my phone number

#

id rather wait 10 minutes lol

lofty timber Jan 14, 2024, 9:51 PM

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vapid plaza ew i dont wanna give discord my phone number

That's why I have a random prepaid card just for this sorta thing

#

This thread shall go down in history for the most messages

swift lance Jan 15, 2024, 12:53 AM

#

And there's 28 members + fabric bot following the thread

gleaming beacon Jan 15, 2024, 6:41 AM

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Perfect

#

2.5k messages btw

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 7:42 AM

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Bruh

gleaming beacon Jan 15, 2024, 11:38 AM

#

Are we the longest request thread?

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 11:38 AM

#

probs

gleaming beacon Jan 15, 2024, 4:07 PM

#

#

HMMMMMMM

#

#

@lofty timber

#

What do you think?

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 4:39 PM

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hole shit

#

what wheat did you smoke

gleaming beacon Jan 15, 2024, 4:40 PM

#

#

The TEXT ISNT ALGINED!!!

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 4:41 PM

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didnt mess with that

#

thats your wrong doing

gleaming beacon Jan 15, 2024, 4:41 PM

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I did

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 4:41 PM

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go and fix it ig

gleaming beacon Jan 15, 2024, 4:41 PM

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Let me push

#

I don't see the error

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 4:48 PM

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Ill be cleaning up the UI on friday

#

so like

#

dont bikeshed haha

#

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding

Wiktionary

bikeshedding

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:11 PM

#

craggy cloak dont bikeshed haha

yea no, i aint touching no gui anymore

#

only internal networking code

#

only wanted this to work sofar, to get some people together to test

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Put some // TODO: UI on parts you want displayed to the user

#

ill look on friday

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:13 PM

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ok, imo, the create screen is good

#

the join screen has all it needs, just needs beautification

#

the loggin screen is meh, you can let your wildest dream come true there

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:13 PM

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ill be making progress bars

#

;p

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:14 PM

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yea

#

imo create screen done

#

no touchie touchie

#

join screen just reorg and beautification

#

and log screen complete makeover to your desire

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Did you fix the math for the world icon rendering?

#

I might just GPT4 it, cant be arsed thinking properly on how to formulate it

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:15 PM

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not yet, hadnt had the brain cells to look at it

#

will do this evening prob

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:15 PM

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craggy cloak I might just GPT4 it, cant be arsed thinking properly on how to formulate it

only got 3.5 ;V

#

sadly

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:16 PM

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Copilot is GPT4 i believe

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:16 PM

#

but what i can happily tell, networking logic works

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:16 PM

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craggy cloak Copilot is GPT4 i believe

also aint got that ;V

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:17 PM

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No student plan?

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:17 PM

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nope, i am already outa school workin

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:17 PM

#

F

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Im milking my student benefits hard

#

I plan to renew my plan on the last day

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:17 PM

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and even if, my old school is a (not so nice word here)and wouldnt do it

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:18 PM

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dont need school perms

#

Github is accepting non-partner schools now

#

anyways

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:19 PM

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Ah lol

#

As I will do some university shinanigans

#

Part time

#

Maybe they accept that

inland kindle Jan 15, 2024, 5:20 PM

#

lofty timber <@992015816818176041>

ADD LANG FILES

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:20 PM

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For that good ol degree: Master of Science

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:20 PM

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inland kindle ADD LANG FILES

Once it's going to ship, then yea

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:20 PM

#

inland kindle ADD LANG FILES

Honestly

#

I agree

#

xd

inland kindle Jan 15, 2024, 5:21 PM

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Make sure to make p2p.screen.config_button translate to something

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:21 PM

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lofty timber Once it's going to ship, then yea

For the moment I couldn't be bothered less concern

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:21 PM

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(yes we know... we weren't born yesterday \s)

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:21 PM

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lofty timber For that good ol degree: Master of Science

Sounds fancy in english

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:21 PM

#

Do you mean Natural Sciences?

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:22 PM

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A Master in IT

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Oh

#

like CS?

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:22 PM

#

Cs?

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:22 PM

#

computer science

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Yes

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Nice!

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Like I love my current job

#

But

#

I can do that as a volunteer

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Im going to start a software engineering degree in september 🙂

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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And work full time IT

inland kindle Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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en_us.json

{
    "p2p.screen.config_button": "Configure…",
}

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Probably either BEng or MEng

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Currently full time EMS worker

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Oh nice

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Soon IT

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:23 PM

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That's a career change and a half haha

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:24 PM

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Yes

#

But not unheard off

#

And I will still work in EMS

#

For free

#

Community service or however it's translatedn shit

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:25 PM

#

EMS is unpaid?

#

wtf?

#

Or volunteer work?

#

i assume the latter

#

To be fair

#

thats one hell of a thing to put on your University Application

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:34 PM

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craggy cloak EMS is unpaid?

No

#

ATM I get paid for it

#

Because full time

#

But you can volunteer to do it alongside another job

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:34 PM

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craggy cloak thats one hell of a thing to put on your University Application

Already basically got the uni seat in my hand

#

Was at UNI Dortmund because I took part in the Bundeswettbewerb Informatik

#

Those problems were hard af

#

Traveling Salesman concernedtater

#

Tho in a slightly different form

#

Was really fun implementing tho

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:49 PM

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lofty timber Traveling Salesman<:concernedtater:707018250961289276>

Djikstras 🙂

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:50 PM

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your impl needs to be completly original

craggy cloak Jan 15, 2024, 5:50 PM

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lol

#

err

lofty timber Jan 15, 2024, 5:50 PM

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my algorithm was absolutly borked

#

but the repo contains my absolutlyfull name

#

so no sharing sadly

#

it worked, rather good

vapid plaza Jan 15, 2024, 9:52 PM

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anyone free to test in 20 minutes?

swift lance Jan 16, 2024, 7:11 PM

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Bro got left hanging for over 20 hours

lofty timber Jan 16, 2024, 7:11 PM

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Bro still searching

#

At this very moment

#

I know that for a fact because I dipped him because of volleyball

swift lance Jan 16, 2024, 7:12 PM

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You could've been playing volleyball with packets

vapid plaza Jan 16, 2024, 7:20 PM

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i just want someone to test with 😭 my code is full of bugs and i cant find them without trying to make tunnels

lofty timber Jan 16, 2024, 7:50 PM

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swift lance You could've been playing volleyball **with packets**

Fucking smashing em into griffins forehead

lofty timber Jan 16, 2024, 7:50 PM

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vapid plaza i just want someone to test with 😭 my code is full of bugs and i cant find them...

I will try to be quick and come still this day

lofty timber Jan 16, 2024, 8:12 PM

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@vapid plaza i am once again existing

vapid plaza Jan 16, 2024, 10:10 PM

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lofty timber Jan 17, 2024, 5:12 AM

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I am once again not free

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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vapid plaza Jan 20, 2024, 5:56 PM

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bro stole my meme

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 5:59 PM

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Interlectual theft

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Is the best theft

vapid plaza Jan 20, 2024, 6:01 PM

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it cant be intellectual theft if i dont have any intellect to steal from

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 6:03 PM

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bro is gaslighting himself smh

vapid plaza Jan 20, 2024, 6:05 PM

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i did just fail an exam really hard, its not helping my confidence lol

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 6:05 PM

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vapid plaza i did just fail an exam really hard, its not helping my confidence lol

oooof

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how hard

craggy cloak Jan 20, 2024, 6:53 PM

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vapid plaza i did just fail an exam really hard, its not helping my confidence lol

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-really-i-dont-believe-you-side-eye-looking-gif-14169723

Tenor

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\s

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maybe not \s

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depends on the context

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 7:06 PM

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👀

marsh pasture Jan 20, 2024, 7:14 PM

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@lofty timberim down for testing if you need

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 7:15 PM

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was just now leavin

gleaming beacon Jan 20, 2024, 7:17 PM

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lofty timber 👀

yeefuckinhaw

marsh pasture Jan 20, 2024, 8:22 PM

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#new-releases message I think you guys should have waited until the project gets approved before showcasing it?

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 8:23 PM

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marsh pasture https://discord.com/channels/507304429255393322/725837054092771368/1198349227756...

why did we get a cursed emoji from you :c

marsh pasture Jan 20, 2024, 8:24 PM

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lofty timber why did we get a cursed emoji from you :c

alright fine I'll remove it, but my point still stands

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Yes we may be a bit dumb

cunning tusk Jan 20, 2024, 8:25 PM

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I made sure the first one is concern

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👍

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Why concern tho

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Because not yet approved?

cunning tusk Jan 20, 2024, 8:27 PM

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no just in general

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because why not

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Ah

gleaming beacon Jan 20, 2024, 8:48 PM

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lofty timber Because not yet approved?

Yeah you should've waited for it get confirmed

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 8:50 PM

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now its to late

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just gotta wait ig

gleaming beacon Jan 20, 2024, 8:50 PM

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👍

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Just post in #update-releases once we get the final version out, is gonna be 10x cooler anyway!

vapid plaza Jan 20, 2024, 9:09 PM

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AHHH I MADE A TYPO

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im not changing it tho, i hate when it says

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 9:20 PM

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vapid plaza AHHH I MADE A TYPO

Happens to the best of us

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Imagine having the skills to spell shit right

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Mobile browser yebaited me

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Or no

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It is now listed

vapid plaza Jan 20, 2024, 9:23 PM

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nice

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 9:24 PM

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gleaming beacon Yeah you should've waited for it get confirmed

Wasn't that huge of a delay

gleaming beacon Jan 20, 2024, 9:25 PM

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Huh that was fast

vapid plaza Jan 20, 2024, 9:26 PM

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might be because it was already created for a few days, just not public yet

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 9:27 PM

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Ye

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Well the initial file should take longer tho?

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Took my first mod 72 hours

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And normal is 24-48

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Ig got lucky

swift lance Jan 20, 2024, 9:54 PM

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You managed to jump my pending mod. It's just cool enough that someone already was waiting to review it I bet

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(just to be clear I don't mind that it happened in that order, all the same to me)

gleaming beacon Jan 20, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Some modrinth moderators may watch this channel 🕵️

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 10:04 PM

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Seems like he or she likes the idea winktato

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 10:05 PM

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swift lance (just to be clear I don't mind that it happened in that order, all the same to m...

I also wouldn't have minded to wait longer

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 10:05 PM

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swift lance You managed to jump my pending mod. It's just cool enough that someone already w...

I am generally curious if that's the case

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Or if it's just a coincidence of some sort

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 PM

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gleaming beacon Some modrinth moderators may watch this channel 🕵️

Smooth criminal dududundun insert Michael Jackson here

gleaming beacon Jan 20, 2024, 10:13 PM

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lofty timber Or if it's just a coincidence of some sort

Normaly it is a simple queue

lofty timber Jan 20, 2024, 10:15 PM

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We may never know

swift lance Jan 21, 2024, 1:36 AM

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Well that was fast
https://modrinth.com/mod/no-hat-for-da-ground/
(Sneak peek before I put it in new releases ig)

Modrinth

No Hat For Da Ground - Minecraft Mod

Prevents items with custom model data from being placed- Da ground no need yo hat!

lofty timber Jan 21, 2024, 8:52 AM

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I was sneak peeked

gleaming beacon Jan 21, 2024, 9:39 AM

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swift lance Well that was fast https://modrinth.com/mod/no-hat-for-da-ground/ (Sneak peek be...

I think you misclicked.

swift lance Jan 21, 2024, 5:09 PM

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I don't get it xd

lofty timber Jan 21, 2024, 5:51 PM

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neither do i

gleaming beacon Jan 21, 2024, 6:31 PM

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swift lance I don't get it xd

Oh wait I misread 😓
I thought you just send it into the wrong thread

swift lance Jan 21, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Ah that makes sense

lofty timber Jan 22, 2024, 4:23 PM

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backport to 1.20.1 exists

gleaming beacon Jan 23, 2024, 7:31 PM

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Thats a lot of updates

lofty timber Jan 23, 2024, 9:33 PM

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Kroks is a busy man

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With too much free time

fossil horizon Jan 23, 2024, 10:12 PM

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I happen to have talked with that dev before. They are somewhat of a GOAT and even put the effort in to support me and my desire to help people on outdated minecrafft versions like 1.20.1

swift lance Jan 23, 2024, 10:58 PM

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1.20.1 is outdated now? Cool, good to know ig

gleaming beacon Jan 23, 2024, 10:59 PM

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swift lance 1.20.1 is outdated now? Cool, good to know ig

1.20.1 was the last update before big changes so some mods (create) are stuck their

swift lance Jan 23, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I mean my mods are pretty much stuck there too xd

fossil horizon Jan 23, 2024, 11:10 PM

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yes, 1.20.1 is outdated and devs are dropping support for it if they havent already. its 7 months old, how can you expect anyone to support anything for more than 6? /s

compact jacinth Jan 24, 2024, 1:42 AM

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fossil horizon yes, 1.20.1 is outdated and devs are dropping support for it if they havent alre...

i hope your kidding

fossil horizon Jan 24, 2024, 1:42 AM

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no

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the running issue pack devs have are that mod devs seem to be supporting versions for less than 6 months

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 5:17 AM

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swift lance 1.20.1 is outdated now? Cool, good to know ig

Yea ig

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It's older

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And not latest version

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Devs stuck there cus rendering changes and such

gleaming beacon Jan 24, 2024, 6:04 AM

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The Problem also lies in the Version naming, because useres can't comprehend the difference between 1.20.1 and 1.20.2 as in the past minor version updates were actually minor.

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 6:18 AM

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fossil horizon I happen to have talked with that dev before. They are somewhat of a GOAT and ev...

Would also port to earlier versions, but don't see no demand

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 6:52 AM

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like versions lower 1.20.1

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 7:11 AM

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60 downloads wooo tiny_potato

gleaming beacon Jan 24, 2024, 8:20 AM

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onto 100

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 8:21 AM

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Wonder if this mod ever picks up or just gotta be one of my failed ideas again lol

south plank Jan 24, 2024, 8:49 AM

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I'll probably check this mod out for myself soon

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If it turns out stable I do see this as being popular

gleaming beacon Jan 24, 2024, 8:55 AM

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lofty timber Wonder if this mod ever picks up or just gotta be one of my failed ideas again l...

Well the idea isn't failed non matter the download count, and I think once we get the java impl the mod is gonna get a hell of a lot easier to work with

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 9:14 AM

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Ye

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Ima try my hands at datagram packets today

devout maple Jan 24, 2024, 9:36 AM

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have you considered changing the P2P button in the main menu to use an icon instead of the text? and possibly making it show up next to the realms button?

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 11:14 AM

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I have

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But I don't got the skills to make an icon

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And the logo doesn't really fit

fleet falcon Jan 24, 2024, 12:17 PM

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fossil horizon the running issue pack devs have are that mod devs seem to be supporting version...

Update hoppers. Getting really annoying. As soon as a new mc version comes out, they move to it and abandon all older versions. LTS is dead

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 8:41 PM

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fleet falcon Update hoppers. Getting really annoying. As soon as a new mc version comes out, ...

Which is understandable

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Maybe the dev doesn't have that much time

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Or passion to support alla those versions

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But now that I say that

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Time to port to newest snapshot

fleet falcon Jan 24, 2024, 8:47 PM

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lofty timber Or passion to support alla those versions

You should at least support the last major version. When 1.19 came out they abandoned 1.18. 1.20 came out so they abandoned 1.19. And soon 1.21 is coming so 1.20 will be abandoned

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And LTS doesn't necessarily mean backport new features. Backporting bugfixes is still nice. Especially critical ones

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But nah they dont even do that

lofty timber Jan 24, 2024, 8:50 PM

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fleet falcon You should at least support the last major version. When 1.19 came out they aban...

Which I will not do

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Critical bug fixes yes

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Not more

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No new features

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Nada

sonic crane Jan 24, 2024, 11:11 PM

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fleet falcon You should at least support the last major version. When 1.19 came out they aban...

so you're saying the people who are volunteering to make and maintain 15-20 mods or one massive mod should be keeping support for a previous major version as well?

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i mean you're fully free to invest your time and maintain it for them, i think everyone would appreciate that

fleet falcon Jan 24, 2024, 11:13 PM

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sonic crane so you're saying the people who are volunteering to make and maintain 15-20 mods...

So I'm saying they should backport critical bug fixes to the last major version

fossil horizon Jan 24, 2024, 11:13 PM

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i mean, ideally they should pin to 1-2 major LTS versions and develop against current/snapshot rather than only developing for current/snapshot and dropping all other version support. <6 month support makes modpack devs either have to make buggy modpacks, make custom mods for their modpacks or just not support their own modpacks. that leads to the fabric environment effectively being a bug riddled mess

sonic crane Jan 24, 2024, 11:15 PM

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fleet falcon So I'm saying they should backport critical bug fixes to the last major version

okay i do think this depends case-by-case, for smaller mods its definitely fine for them not to be supporting or backporting critical bugs since thats a lot of effort for almost nothing, but something like geckolib yeah they should be doing that

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by 1.19 you mean 1.19.2 right

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not 1.19 and 1.19.3

fleet falcon Jan 24, 2024, 11:17 PM

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A lot of effort? The effort is already done. You fixed the bug so just copy it over

fossil horizon Jan 24, 2024, 11:19 PM

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the problem comes in when you have 1.20.4 and 1.20.1 for instance, where rendering in .4 is not the same as .1 so the "fix" may not be the same between them

sonic crane Jan 24, 2024, 11:47 PM

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fleet falcon A lot of effort? The effort is already done. You fixed the bug so just copy it o...

if you think its less than 30 minutes to patch and test a critical bug you're crazy

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sure for small mods you can get away with a quick 10 minute pop-in pop-out with a publish plugin

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not for anything thats large or with a team, far from it

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and thats in the case that the code for fixing the bug is the same across both versions, it may not be

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especially if its so critical that it has to be backported to version thats no longer recieving feature updates

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1.19.2 and 1.20.4 do have a fair bit of differences for where it matters as well :< rendering, registry and world gen n all that

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oh yeah then theres testing it across every minor version you intend to support

fleet falcon Jan 24, 2024, 11:52 PM

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That's what happens when patches aren't patches anymore. Mojank turning patch into minor

sonic crane Jan 24, 2024, 11:52 PM

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it all boils down to bill gates

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damn him and his nanobots

sonic crane Jan 24, 2024, 11:54 PM

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sonic crane if you think its less than 30 minutes to patch and test a critical bug you're cr...

*for cases where the bug isnt "oh i forgot to put an if condition" e.e

fossil horizon Jan 25, 2024, 12:05 AM

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~~or geckolibs oops i forgot to remove crashy mixins for unused code~~

marsh pasture Jan 25, 2024, 12:12 AM

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man at this point you guys should make a discord server for this mod

swift lance Jan 25, 2024, 12:14 AM

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But thread go brrrrr :(

marsh pasture Jan 25, 2024, 12:14 AM

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wouldn't be surprised if this is the thread with the most amount of messages in this forum

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but ideally you guys want to be able to give support to users of the mod who are not in this discord and do not feel like making github issues

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especially considering that the mod is on track to becoming quite popular, from what I can tell

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 5:02 AM

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Well imb11s discord has a channel for this mod

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:54 AM

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The Thread must grooowwww

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https://discord.gg/ghaupUW2

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/j here is the discord

craggy cloak Jan 25, 2024, 11:42 AM

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It's much easier if you discuss any issues/requests about this on my discord, since I can easily keep track

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I have around 30-50 threads followed here lmao

fossil lagoon Jan 25, 2024, 11:45 AM

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aight

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 12:16 PM

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craggy cloak It's much easier if you discuss any issues/requests about this on my discord, si...

Currently I do the maintaining ;7

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You are gui slave :>

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 1:13 PM

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gleaming beacon The Thread must grooowwww

nearly 3k

fossil horizon Jan 25, 2024, 1:20 PM

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with that, here are some links. might be good to see if OP can update the first post with some useful links to the project stuff?

#1192525333665157220 message OP first thead post here (would be good to link the current mod and the discord its being devved in?)
#1192525333665157220 message initial mod post
https://modrinth.com/mod/p2p mod release page
#1192525333665157220 message post with discord link

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 1:22 PM

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The OP is just gone, we overtook the thread yeefuckinhaw

fossil horizon Jan 25, 2024, 1:24 PM

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then i would suggest a #1112985493777428501 thread 😎 to showcase the cool stuff and keep things easier to find for people enter the chat

fossil lagoon Jan 25, 2024, 1:39 PM

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gleaming beacon The OP is just gone, we overtook the thread <:yeefuckinhaw:592017088940343327>

why op gone?

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 1:39 PM

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idk

cunning tusk Jan 25, 2024, 1:40 PM

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sorry OP that others have essentially published your mod and idea

fossil lagoon Jan 25, 2024, 1:40 PM

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😬

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 1:42 PM

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They at least know that we develop it

fossil lagoon Jan 25, 2024, 1:43 PM

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i thought op left the server

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 1:45 PM

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Nope they did not

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just didn't write here

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 1:51 PM

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yeah op just stopped reacting, nobody really knows why

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 2:37 PM

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cunning tusk sorry OP that others have essentially published your mod and idea

I suppose he wanted someone to develop into a mod

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That's why he opened this thread in the first place

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@gleaming beacon I summon you to make a showcase thread

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Like linguardium said

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Oh okay lol

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 2:39 PM

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I like how you just don't ask questions

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And just work lol

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 2:44 PM

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lofty timber And just work lol

done

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 2:44 PM

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Good work

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:41 PM

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uh

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@livid lake you ARE aware that.. "your" mod just got published right

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there is a big chance they just dont check this thread

cunning tusk Jan 25, 2024, 7:42 PM

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yeah idk this is kind of messed up unless they like very explicitely agreed

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:42 PM

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i mean iv been sitting here thinking hey uh he agreed right

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they got explicit consent right

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anyways its the apache license not MIT so make sure you guys reflect that accordingly and credit him appropriately before he even comments

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i hope you guys didnt just blindly nab the mod idea without crediting the original source

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in all fairness they asked for help and published it as an open source thing so ultimately even if it is a bit of an incredibly inpolite-ish thing, as long as you follow the fucking original license let me be clear you are in the green

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even if you didnt take any code its best to credit, link and throw some love because the idea was ultimately his... this is all if you havent obtained consent, if you have, ignore me

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@lofty timber @gleaming beacon ^ i hope one of you has a confirmation picture or something

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jesus christ they wrote a whole wiki and readme

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https://github.com/DeflectoMC/Multiplayer-Possible/wiki/Extra-information-from-the-main-author#notes-in-regards-to-myself-deflecto-and-this-project

fleet falcon Jan 25, 2024, 7:52 PM

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~~Ideas can't be copyrighted so why would you give credit for someone giving an idea.~~ And p2p isn't an original idea either as shown by the other mods and games. Plus the OP has vanished, so either he abandoned this thread or doesn't care

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:53 PM

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fleet falcon ~~Ideas can't be copyrighted so why would you give credit for someone giving an ...

well they pushed this project forward, published the code, wrote a wiki, made some videos and got people on-board while commenting about how people wouldnt help them in that prospect

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so i would consider it to be a bit of a.. major a-hole move

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im not saying there isnt equal if not greater effort from both sides

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just im reading the showcase post right now and theres not even a single mention of how this idea came to be or who started the original train

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the credits section:

The A Team

zOnlyKroks: Project Owner and residential Networking maniac
mineblock11: Residential UI Wizard
Dev0Louis: Emotional support person and all the tasks noone wants to do
Four_Griffins: Yet another residential Networking maniac

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 7:56 PM

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Oh yeah we should mention him at the very least

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:56 PM

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woof im gonna delete the above message

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too aggressive

cunning tusk Jan 25, 2024, 7:57 PM

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relatable though

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this is kind of shady tbh

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:57 PM

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i would say its more like

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your ex from 3 years ago has been raising your child this whole time

fleet falcon Jan 25, 2024, 7:58 PM

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If OP cared they wouldn't have gone MIA

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:58 PM

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controversial and bad opinion above

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 7:58 PM

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But they are definently aware that we started this project: #1192525333665157220 message

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:58 PM

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OP could be unresponsive atm (out on a trip)

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or they havent checked this channel in a bit which is understandable

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i mean if something did concern him someone would ping or DM him.. right? i can see the logic

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 7:59 PM

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sonic crane i mean if something did concern him someone would ping or DM him.. right? i can ...

I already pinged him (let me find it)

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 7:59 PM

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yeah that should be fine then

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as long as hes fine with it being published but even then you should credit him yeah

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great mod, not insulting anyones efforts, just a little more transparency i think

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:00 PM

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We are not trying to scam everyone of here.
We started this with him and he just for what ever reason stopped responding.

@lofty timber I'm gonna credit them now on modrinth

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and the showcase post

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"- Deflecto: Starting this Project, coming out with the Idea and developing first prototypes. "

cunning tusk Jan 25, 2024, 8:03 PM

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yeah I think that's good for now until they respond

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Anything else I need to add?

cunning tusk Jan 25, 2024, 8:03 PM

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maybe check licensing? I'm not sure what you guys did or didn't take

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:04 PM

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He used apache 2

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Oh we maybe still use the Gole part (using it, downloading it, unpacking it).
We are currently switching to the Java Impl

@lofty timber Can you please tell me if we have rewritten that code or used it from them.

sonic crane Jan 25, 2024, 8:28 PM

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its definitely rewritten

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the source for multiplayer possible was basically only a swing gui

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which MB did in yacl

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 8:36 PM

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thanks corgi!

fossil lagoon Jan 25, 2024, 8:36 PM

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livid lake thanks corgi!

he is alive 🥰

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 8:37 PM

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yeah I've not been checking this channel for a bit, if anyone wants to dm me they can

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also if we want to make a discord server for this I'd love to join

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:37 PM

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https://discord.gg/NkVpvAW5

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p2p channel

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We just still end up here all the time

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 8:40 PM

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ah

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 8:42 PM

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gleaming beacon Oh we maybe still use the Gole part (using it, downloading it, unpacking it). W...

last time I checked (a while ago) the GoleExecutor class seemed to be based off of my code but that might've changed

my repo is open source licensed though, everyone has permission to use it following some simple terms under Apache 2.0

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:44 PM

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Just so anyone reading knows the context.

I messaged Deflecto and explained the current state of the project and how he feels about it.

He in short answered: yes, it is fine and they are proud of our work.

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Correct me if I'm wrong Deflecto 😅

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:56 PM

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livid lake last time I checked (a while ago) the GoleExecutor class seemed to be based off ...

Oh I see your edit now.
That is something Finn needs to look into, we are currently working on our java impl as soon as it is finished gole would be gone regardless.

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 8:57 PM

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oh interesting, do you know if Finn is doing it all from scratch, or using a library?

craggy cloak Jan 25, 2024, 8:57 PM

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scratch

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:57 PM

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We are trying to do everything in java only. So yeah from scratch

craggy cloak Jan 25, 2024, 8:57 PM

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It would be mildly concerning if it actually was scratch

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 8:58 PM

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With the Java impl we are gonna have one port one server

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Punching to multipile clients with the same port

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:19 PM

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Huh I forgor to credit him?

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Gonna edit this asap

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:19 PM

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fleet falcon ~~Ideas can't be copyrighted so why would you give credit for someone giving an ...

I checked and the latest version still contains some of my copyrighted code, and they haven't included my copyright, or a notice that it contains code licensed under Apache 2.0.

Am I going to sue them? Of course not.

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They had no bad intentions, it's just some code

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they're trying to bring this out to the public and so was I

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:21 PM

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lofty timber Gonna edit this asap

On Modrinth I already did

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:21 PM

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Ah okay

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Ima do too on curse

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:21 PM

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We have curse o.o

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:22 PM

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look you guys don't gotta credit me

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:22 PM

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To late XD

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:22 PM

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To late now

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You can also get a share of the pie if you want

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:22 PM

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You are gonna get credited if you want it or not 🔫

No but you did bring the Idea, without you we wouldn't be here.

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:23 PM

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thank you, I appreciate it; just saying you're not forced to 🙂

the apache 2.0 license requires a copyright license notice in distributions/the code, but it doesn't mean you gotta put me in the credits

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:23 PM

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livid lake I checked and the latest version still contains some of my copyrighted code, and...

I am gonna update the published latest versions and include a license header and a comment linking to your name and github

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Fine to you?

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:24 PM

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honestly I'd like to give it some more thought, as I've gotten enough shade from random commenters that don't know the full story...

corgi linked my wiki that I wrote, about player safety, code info, previous projects, as well as the story behind the project

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:26 PM

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You can also tell me to take down any version already released

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Fine to me

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:28 PM

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lofty timber You can also tell me to take down any version already released

Recode would take no time tbh

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:28 PM

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look... I have 0 problem with what you guys have done, I support the project fully

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this isn't about me, this is about bringing a positive idea to minecraft

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:33 PM

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You can still talk about how you feel like this should be continued, as you are the one that brought us here ^^

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:39 PM

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can we please talk about something else? you guys are fine to dm me if it's about copyright questions

I don't wanna turn this discussion into some big worry, it's really not that big of a deal.

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:43 PM

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So be it

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And I have done just thaz

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:47 PM

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@fleet falcon if you want to ask me why I've gone absent, feel free to DM me. I'm on discord every couple of days.

please don't speculate that I'm just some guy that doesn't care, that's not the case, I wrote down the story behind the original project on the wiki

fossil horizon Jan 25, 2024, 9:47 PM

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yeah, i am not sure anyone that read it would be confused about that. glad to see the community coming together!

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:48 PM

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now let's continue the discussion, but about positive things, features for the mod; not about copyright or me or this or that 👍

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:51 PM

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So our current plan is to make the server only open one port for all players

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:52 PM

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okay; have you guys heard about Symmetric NATs?

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on some wifis this will work

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:52 PM

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gleaming beacon So our current plan is to make the server only open one port for all players

Not my idea

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:52 PM

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Yeee all of my homies hate symmetric nats

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:52 PM

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Id you wanna try this sure

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:52 PM

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on others, if you uhh... reuse the same port for 2+ connections, the symmetric nat gives 2 different ports even if you only have 1

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:52 PM

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But I still do it the good ol deflecto way, just pimped up

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:53 PM

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lofty timber Not my idea

Huh I thought that was one of the biggest promises for the java impl

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Griffins tried and didn't succeed

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:53 PM

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sadtater

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:53 PM

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I don't blame him, it's really hard

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Neither do it

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So I take the easier route that all symmetric nats hate

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The deflecto way

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:54 PM

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uh

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my way is to use a nickname system actually xD

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so it assures a unique port for every player

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that should work on symmetric NATs

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:54 PM

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The kind of deflecto way

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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lofty timber Griffins tried and didn't succeed

i did succeed, but probably not with symmetric nats

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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livid lake that should work on symmetric NATs

My shinanigans I did to your code work on symmetric nats too :>

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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also what the frick went down here xd

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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Tldr

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Lord bandit spreading false claims

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That deflecto doesn't care what happens with this mod

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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WE ARE DAM CLOSE!

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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And that we violated his copyright

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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xD

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:55 PM

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Which is technically true

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But will change that

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Hope I did miss nun

fleet falcon Jan 25, 2024, 9:56 PM

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lofty timber That deflecto doesn't care what happens with this mod

thats not what i said. i said he might because he was MIA

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 9:56 PM

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fleet falcon thats not what i said. i said he might because he was MIA

that's not a very friendly comment... saying I "dont care", even if it's a maybe :p

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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so tldr drama about our lord and savior deflecto not being here for a while

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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In a nutshell

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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man i cant type xd

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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And me violating copyright on one class

fossil horizon Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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anyway, lets not focus on all that anymore

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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Which I copied and mangled my own code into

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Which I am probably just gonna rewrite as I cannot stand looking at the garbage I made outa perfectly good deflecto code ;7

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:00 PM

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lofty timber That deflecto doesn't care what happens with this mod

is that what you meant @fleet falcon? I may have misunderstood...

It's open source, I wrote on the wiki that I spent 3 months trying multiple solutions, and open sourced this one so others can hopefully use it and not have to spend as much time as I did

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 10:00 PM

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I'm gonna go to sleep now

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Nighty

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:00 PM

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good night!

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 10:00 PM

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💤

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:01 PM

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3 more days and im looking at java again yeefuckinhaw

fleet falcon Jan 25, 2024, 10:01 PM

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livid lake is that what you meant <@197557558528049153>? I may have misunderstood... It's ...

no i was saying because you havent been in this thread for awhile that you might have abandoned the project

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:01 PM

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understood

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:01 PM

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vapid plaza 3 more days and im looking at java again <:yeefuckinhaw:592017088940343327>

You can enslave me again to test for you :>

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:02 PM

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fleet falcon no i was saying because you havent been in this thread for awhile that you might...

there's still some things I'm hoping to improve with Multiplayer-Possible. Like a server ID you can share with all your friends, that's secure, and only you have access to

But I'm taking a break right now, and have been also somewhat taking a break from discord

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:03 PM

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livid lake there's still some things I'm hoping to improve with Multiplayer-Possible. Like ...

the hope is this would simplify things so everyone gets one ID, instead of server + player both having to type in eachother's ip and nick

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one ID that stays the same even if your ip changes

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:04 PM

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livid lake there's still some things I'm hoping to improve with Multiplayer-Possible. Like ...

That with the server id will prob get really awkward to implement

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:04 PM

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livid lake the hope is this would simplify things so everyone gets one ID, instead of serve...

Which in our mod is just the IP and the port they both agree on atm

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:04 PM

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that is true, which is why I'm hoping to make a library, so you can easily add it in a few lines 🙂

sadly I'm burnt out atm so I wouldn't count on it tho

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:04 PM

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lofty timber That with the server id will prob get really awkward to implement

Because the client basically has to reverse engineer the IP outa it somehow

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With no third party server in there

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:05 PM

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livid lake one ID that stays the same even if your ip changes

how would you keep the id consistent when ip changes?

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:05 PM

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I've been playing on a smp lol, taking a break from discord 😊

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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If you could answer my DM real quick I would greatly appreciate it

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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vapid plaza how would you keep the id consistent when ip changes?

every server owner will have a small file that contains a private/public key pair

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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Last thing I annoy you with

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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they log in to a central web server, show that they own the public key by signing via their private key

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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Ah there we have the thing our mod tries to avoid

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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then once they're logged in, any player who asks the central web server for that ID can join their game 🙂

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:06 PM

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Scary third party server

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:07 PM

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ah, central server, i see

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 10:07 PM

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Yeah we already thought about smth like that

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:07 PM

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yes; what I want to make is a system where even if a malicious actor controlled the server, nothing bad will happen as all the messages will be cryptographically secured, signed and verified

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 10:07 PM

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Our thing was that this might be good as an companion mod, but not in the main mod.

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:07 PM

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its a valid approach, but i think it would be different from this one

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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eh we'll see lol

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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Maybe seperate it?

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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yes it is a different approach

gleaming beacon Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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As easy mode or something?

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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e4mc is a proxy, p2p goes hard on zero servers, and there can be another one that focuses on security

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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lofty timber If you could answer my DM real quick I would greatly appreciate it

Please deflecto flaminking

fleet falcon Jan 25, 2024, 10:08 PM

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livid lake one ID that stays the same even if your ip changes

the players minecraft uuid

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:09 PM

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vapid plaza e4mc is a proxy, p2p goes hard on zero servers, and there can be another one tha...

p2s2p tiny_potato

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Player2Server2Player

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:09 PM

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call it e5mc lol

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:09 PM

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concern

livid lake Jan 25, 2024, 10:10 PM

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vapid plaza its a valid approach, but i think it would be different from this one

💯 for now you should continue the 1-1 based connections that you guys are doing.

we'll cross that bridge when we get there 🙂

lofty timber Jan 25, 2024, 10:10 PM

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lofty timber <:concern:707016186281590855>

That would be a not so nice move

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:11 PM

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yeah obv dont actually do that xd

fleet falcon Jan 25, 2024, 10:15 PM

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vapid plaza call it e5mc lol

we got emc, e2mc, e3mc, and e4mc, and now you want e5mc?

vapid plaza Jan 25, 2024, 10:16 PM

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yes

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