A mod that shows which client is people using

[willow prawn]

Hi, i was thinking i wanted this minecraft mod that allowed to see which client people are using in the name and in the tab system and tells me which client are using people when joining servers, like: Skyshine9391 joined using *Fabric*

The clients would be the next:

Vanilla (Shows a grass block)
Forge (Shows an anvil)
Fabric (Shows a paper scroll)
Lunar (Shows the lunar icon)
Feather (Shows the feather icon)
Badlion (Shows the badlion icon)
Bedrock (Shows a bedrock block)

IF you could do this on the name above the players and the tab system i would thank you so much.

Btw, the mod would be for 1.19.3 (Because its my main version)
Client emojis: , , , , , ,

Also btw if it wasnt too much, also showing the cosmetics of the clients and if they're a premium member like lunar , also show that

It would be so much for me that someone made this mod called like "Amplified clients" or smth like that 😭 👍 🙏

@turbid epoch Could u help?

[quaint bolt]

not possible unless everyone joining also had the mod

[willow prawn]

wdym?

It only needs to intercept the client, if its intercepted it sees which client is and displays it on name + tab and then BOOOM

[quaint bolt]

many clients do not send that information to the server at all

Forge does, I believe, but Fabric does not (unless you have a mod that does)

[willow prawn]

I only need it to show that clients

[mossy pewter]

you could do feather, lunar, and badlion pretty easily.

this is a client mod right?

[high sentinel]

I think it sends the brand, but the brand can be anything, servers that block fabric clients rely on the client sending the brand

[quaint bolt]

do they send the brand to servers? I thought that was just for crash reports and the like

[willow prawn]

yea, for fabric

[paper kayak]

it does

sets the brand to "fabric"

and i'm pretty sure all the other mods listed do the same

some have additional api to show what features are being used too

[quaint bolt]

That information is sent to the server?

[paper kayak]

yes

[quaint bolt]

Huh, I didn't think it did

[willow prawn]

It could detect forge and people usign fabric api, the other clients idk

[paper kayak]

PlayInCustomPayload packet when the user joins

obviously people can change brand with a mod but if its not used to enforce rules theres no reason to

[willow prawn]

How?

I didnt understood

[high sentinel]

it it is client only idk if that can be done, as the server would have to tell the client what is the brand of each player, and they don't do that by default, I think

[paper kayak]

it can edit the nametag

[willow prawn]

The clients have APIS?

Idk if could be done, but the mod maybe could dettect that APIS on players

[paper kayak]

🤔

[willow prawn]

Or smth that the client has to make it detectable

Idk too much about APIS

A mod that shows which client is people using

[scarlet garnet]

Btw showing the cosmetics from other clients is going to be impossible

[mossy pewter]

Unless you made your own version of them

Or do they not allow api access either?

[paper kayak]

no?

there are mods that do this

[scarlet garnet]

lmao ya sure

Not only do you not have there code to render there models even if you could get them.
You can't get them cause clients require you to connect to there servers like mojang session servers.
Never heard of another mod doing that

[willow prawn]

Okay, but it was a question if u could, not a directly request

[wooden flint]

@quaint bolt
Clients do not send branding to the server. Forge is the only mod loader that sends metadata to the server (brand, modlist etc.)

Vanilla doesn't send any metadata, nor does fabric api.

The server however does send metadata to the client (server version, motd and icon) which the client acts upon ("outdated" ping icon, showing the icon and motd)

@paper kayak

Look in the client network manager, absolutely no data about the client is sent to the server

What you're asking @willow prawn is impossible

There is no way to see what clients are without the client sending information to the server, which only forge does.

and to be frank, no-one wants the server to know what mods they have

privacy issue

[wooden flint]

There are no mods that do this.

There are resource packs and plugins, but these are serverside and mostly limited to a set amount of block models and or particle effects

[willow prawn]

<+I dont want to know the mods

[wooden flint]

(eg angel wings)

[willow prawn]

I want to see what client is the people using

just that

[turbid epoch]

https://modrinth.com/mod/clientbrand

[willow prawn]

its for server

[turbid epoch]

its outdated, but it may still work

[willow prawn]

alr seen it

[turbid epoch]

theres no way to see it on client

only server

[willow prawn]

Sad

I wanted it 😭

[turbid epoch]

that information doesnt get sent to the client at all, as it doesnt need it

[quaint bolt]

Alright thanks, yeah that's what I thought

[orchid pilot]

yeah i think this is impossible unless you have everyone install a mod that forces the client to send that info, then another mod server side that sends it back to the clients, which completely negates the purpose of the mod

[wooden flint]

Ironically, it says it works for fabric when it doesn't

Only forge sends the BRAND packet

[orchid pilot]

also showing cosmetics from clients like lunar is impossible, and i dont believe you can access who has lunar plus, unless lunar made an api for that

[tranquil basin]

Some clients like lunar sends brand packets, badlion does not.

However every client should have a websocket or similar, you could try to reverse engineer that

[paper kayak]

this.connection.send(new CustomPayloadC2SPacket(CustomPayloadC2SPacket.BRAND, new PacketByteBuf(Unpooled.buffer()).writeString(ClientBrandRetriever.getClientModName())));

???

onGameJoin

this has been a thing for years

[paper kayak]

no??

[paper kayak]

lunar client and badlion client both have apis for seeing what mods you have enabled, using plugin message channels

[paper kayak]

you can just put the icon in player nametags?

if you use a server resource pack

[paper kayak]

they have public apis that you can use

https://github.com/LunarClient/BukkitAPI

[tranquil basin]

thats for server side

[paper kayak]

the person wants a server side mod

to send the brands to other clients

in icon form

in nametags

this is easily possible with a server resource pack

[orchid pilot]

no i think they want a client side mod that works in any server

[tranquil basin]

that would make more sense

[paper kayak]

a

[paper kayak]

idk

the person asking is an idiot but their request could be implemented as a serverside mod with relative ease

[orchid pilot]

server is def way more possible than client tho

[paper kayak]

also its still possible on client to some extent

lunar client sends other lunar users to people connected to it

there are some 1.8 cheats that implement that

[paper kayak]

there are at least a few 1.8 cheats that did this

they didn't implement everything but it replicated nametags, animations, and maybe hats

also they showed you as on lunar client for other players using it

[wooden flint]

That was removed in 1.17.1 by looking through my jars

can't find a single reference to it in 1.18+

[paper kayak]

this is from 1.20.1

https://catgirl.click/jpKIOr4u

[rotund wave]

I have an anti cheat on my server

And with it I can see the brand and yes Fabric is sending a client brand

Some shit servers even disallow you from playing with Fabric Brand.

[wooden flint]

Fair enough, I can't find it in network manager

Bit weird

anyways, the original goal of this request is still impossible regardless

[rotund wave]

yes

[willow prawn]

Im not an idiot
I simply dont know MC coding or else
SO i think im closing this thread

[charred elk]

You know hacker clients spoof vanilla so ots not much of use

As of my experience

So if this is to monitor potential cheater then its not much of use

[acoustic spoke]

fat necropost but that isn't entirely how it works

when you join a world, for each player entity that is added

it sends a request to the websocket to check if the user is connected

instead of receiving thousands of players at once

and a response is sent back to the client if the player is connected

[acoustic spoke]

this is being replaced by Apollo soon (https://lunarclient.dev/apollo/introduction)

[mossy pewter]

Throwing Eula agreements and stuff away it actually is

Except fabric/vanilla

[paper kayak]

please use some common sense

of course i didn't mean that

[acoustic spoke]

it wasn't inherantly clear

[solemn light]

the problem is all of this break if the client modfies its brand with something like https://modrinth.com/mod/rebrand
by example, if i join the server you may see me play with Vanilla, STEAMDECKPOGGERS, Troll or other brands for the funni

[charred elk]

Necropost

But the only thing i say

Is check for something that the vanilla has but other clients dont

And them compare to that

[paper kayak]

"clients" are just modifications to vanilla

they are indistinguishable unless they decide to tell someone

[charred elk]

Hmm

[frigid arch]

vulcan AC has that feature

[paper kayak]

vulkan ac also has the feature where you can attack players from 6 blocks away with no rotations and it doesnt even flag

[frigid arch]

:P

[rotund wave]

🌋

[calm breach]

I wanted something like this. Too bad it doesn't exist.

[tough swan]

this is not something you want

now it seems like a light-hearted request on the front but basically what its doing is requiring the client to prove itself

which is a big no-no on this thing called the open web

it gives you the capability to lock and discriminate people based on their client

clients should never be forced to prove themselves, it is the servers responsibility to validate all of this. the whole point of the web is that you can use any browser, any engine and still get results and not get locked out if you're a firefox user with adblock or whatever

atleast chat reporting has a thousand valid reasons for implementation, this one the other hand is 'funny icon yay'

apart from not being feasible its not ethical and again, not something i recommend pursuing. especially that whole lunar plus thing, scummiest thing ive heard on this forum to date, even if its meant to be a harmless request

lunar plus is a subscription targeted at children who want to spend more funds on vanity products with no use, its the equivalent of discord nitro but taken to a toxic extreme

rant aside no bad idea, dont do this

pinging a few people just to make it clear or get a response from someone more experienced

(@willow prawn and @calm breach mostly since you guys are the requesters)

now if you want a light mod that just gets their brand i still dont recommend that either because again, allows the server to discriminate

theres no need for another user to know what client im using

let alone a bunch of children with their own ideals on what clients are right and what are wrong

[calm breach]

Lol, I've only commented here once enough to get ping in this, plus it's a topic I've been curious about in the past.

[tough swan]

its ok you're well-known now

[willow prawn]

Dude, this was only an idea and there are 16 people in this topic rn

[tough swan]

its something that should be made pretty clear, some of them just realized they probably need to punt this down before it can get back up

if you post an idea you should be made aware of the potential consequences, not that im saying brand discrimination isnt already possible

[scarlet garnet]

I guess you included yourself in there.
Last time I checked its not targetted at anyone. It's just that the userbase has more kids in it.
If you think what lunar is bad, check Roblox. Makes Lunar look like a priest xD

[tough swan]

i will withdraw that statement i think i got a little too aggressive there, but its still true

and it is targeted at people, if its not then its just bad buisness decisions

im not saying its nessecarily bad for targeting kids with disposable funds, hell iv done that with my stuff, its just that it does

i dont like lunar because of the toxic community it has and the stigma around some things but the devs r pretty chill

[scarlet garnet]

I find it funny how in nearly every community im in. People who don't make money from there hobbies hate people who do as a job.

[tough swan]

its pretty obvious its a job

doesnt make it better

and you're misinterpreting what i said

i like the devs, theyre cool dudes

[paper kayak]

the devs have brain damage

[tough swan]

shh

[paper kayak]

but so does the average minecraft programmer so idk

probably better than the average spigot dev

[dreamy lion]

i dont think this is such a bad idea if you were wanting to prevent shitty kids using hacked client logging on to your server
but the other way around.. not so good

[paper kayak]

why would a cheat broadcast itself to the server :/

[dreamy lion]

mc cheats are low tech :p

[paper kayak]

the default announces nothing

they would have to implement this

[scarlet garnet]

I dont think you guys realize how easy it is to fake that info if you are a hacked client

Its so simple I already have a privat project called ‘ScrewYouMojira’ that does exactly that cause they wouldnt accept my submition cause it wasnt on vanilla

[tough swan]

you can do a lot of validation tactics that require specific work-arounds

not about hacked clients

its about the 99% of regular clients

also why mojira what did the bug tracker do to you >.>

[scarlet garnet]

I just said it, they told me one of my bugs where not valid cause my screenshot showed fabric, even tho it was literally a code analysis and I knew it was in vanilla.