AGOT - More Interactive Vassals (3.2)

[chilly rose]

Bless

[jagged bear]

where would this go in load order?

[wooden wharf]

Wherever seems to work fine, probably where it takes priority over other similar mods if you have them

[static compass]

Still works or need to be updated?

Great

[obsidian bridge]

I used it before the update when the bookmarked mod had Cregan stark on argon’s side in the dance

*aegon

[obsidian bridge]

Ya I’m excited to use it more in the future just Havnt gotten a chance to play since the update

[left thistle]

Is this causing issues with dragon riders? Everytime I’m about to start a battle I lose the dragon riding buffs

[left thistle]

Ok thankyou

[solar jewel]

Any non steam link?

[obtuse estuary]

does the AI work well with the 'bannermen' option on?

[manic salmon]

AGOT - More Interactive Vassals (3.2)

[chilly loom]

Is this compatible with Agot Immersion?

[winter estuary]

Anyone got recommended values for the various settings?

[plucky hare]

any link except steam ?

[tidal current]

still?

[tidal current]

should i put it over or under agot immersion

[restive pewter]

Hello, do I need a fresh save for this or can I use a current save?

[tidal current]

nvm mb for ping

[narrow lion]

is there a way to make it so the Call to arms does not also pop up along with the realm at war (megawar) popup?

[narrow lion]

ty! let me know if you need anymore information

[turbid ginkgo]

Really looking forward to my first save with AGOT + MIV. Just read through the whole thread here to make sure that I set the game up correctly. Decided to go with bannermen enabled, 90% levy size reduction, 50% garrison size reduction, 30% levy contribution reduction, 30% levy reinforcement reduction, 20% army speed reduction. Very happy to see levy sizes ingame that look quite realistic

Now I am a bit worried because of

1. a comment I read that peasant / popular uprisings may not be calculated according to levy sizes and could therefore be extremely overpowered in relation to the levy sizes - is this an actual problem you have encountered in your games or is it negligible because of MAA strength? maybe better to go with 70/80% levy reduction with that in mind?
2. will sieges be taking muuch longer because of the significant levy size reduction?
   If so, I might consider going with rather 70%/80% levy reduction and reduce garrison size to 60% to avoid sieges that take ages

[turbid ginkgo]

Oh true, great, will do that!

[turbid ginkgo]

One other thing, can I check somewhere if the MIV loyalist faction and civil war rules were indeed automatically disabled in-game? Because in the factions tab I can still also see "create crown loyalist faction" greyed-out (I guess it's just shown but not an actual option) with warning "has global variable: variable". Just wanted to make sure that it is set up correctly in my save.

If I disable the first two MIV in-game rules now after the save start just to make sure, will this work as well or could this break something (disabling an already automatically disabled rule = re-enabling it perhaps? 😁 Sorry for the stupid question)

[serene girder]

I had a problem that in the tail end of battles enemy had 1 to 4 nights and that battle went for months like that without ending. I closed this mod and it solved the issue. Not sure what causes it or is it some setting I did effected in such way.

I did indeed have low knight effectiveness. Thanks for the help! What percentage would be ideal to prevent this issue(I use 50%). I lowered levys and maa's in same percentages so I thought it would make sense to lower the knights as well.

[gloomy jetty]

what should the levy reduction be for vanilla?

I know this isn't the right place, but I couldn't find anywhere else to ask

playing as a byzantine vassal if that helps

[narrow lion]

Has the issue been fixed per chance ?

[jade sequoia]

Anyone have recommended values for this mod working with AGOT?

[tidal current]

me personally I do 95% levies 95% levy contribution and 50% levy reinforcement rate all reductions then urn on bannermen and indirect vassals

[jade sequoia]

Thanks I’ll try this out

[lusty tartan]

with these settings, how much, for example, can the north/reach etc. raise in terms of soldier numbers?

[tidal current]

With all banners called the north upwards of 35k

this also makes the reach incredibly nasty with loyal bannermen they can get nearly 100k a lot being men at arms

I’m pretty sure these are quite accurate numbers

[lusty tartan]

in the books/Lore :

Lannister : 45K (35 in wot5k)
Stark : 45K (20 in wot5k)
Tyrrel : 80-100K (80 in wot5k)
Baratheon : 35K (20 in wot5k)
Tully : 45K (11 in wot5k)
Arryn : 45K (Wdk in wot5k)
Dorne : 20-30K (Wdk in wot5k)
Greyjoy : 25K
Crownland : 20K

[tidal current]

seems to be about right crownlands will always be stronger because its overlord has a shit ton of money for men at arms

lanisters seems to have a bit more in my playthroughs near 70k

but feel free to tinker with it as you please

[lusty tartan]

You reduced to 95? or 5 ?

[tidal current]

95 reduction

I had a problem last time I played where no one was calling in their banners

so maybe hold off if that happens to you

[tidal current]

@manic salmon idk if this a bug or how it’s always been and I just haven’t noticed but for example I play as viserys press my claim to the iron throb the reach joins me but none of its banners join the war they all remain neutral so the reach is with me but only with the top liege (Tyrell’s” army which only numbers 3k

did all the vassals just choose neutral

[jade sequoia]

yeahhh I'm experiencing this issue as well. Just had Dorne declare war against me as the IT but none of the LP's bannermen joined, only the LPs themselves.

maybe change the levy reduction percentage to fix it? idk

[lusty tartan]

Thats weird, with 95% reduction, the reach just have 20k levy

[tidal current]

I haven’t looked at levy numbers just total numbers after a couple years in game

the whole point of this mod in my mind is to make men at arms more important and given time the ai will make enough. For the reach to have a total for 80-90k

[lusty tartan]

using this submod, I still have the problem concerning sworn vassals, they don't appear in levy, just lieges lords
whereas if I remove MIV, keeping “AGOT: More immersion”, sworn vassals reappear

[tidal current]

don’t think that would do anything

must be a problem with the mod cause I tested it with this alone to make sure it wasn’t a submod conflict and it still was happening

[jade sequoia]

I may just turn off the call the banners system for MIV and use More Immersion's system instead

might fix the vassals

[jade sequoia]

ok so the call the banners feature from More Immersion also is giving me roughly 25k as the Lannisters and vassals are not joining when I use the decision either

[jade sequoia]

Been tinkering with some settings and the closest I've gotten to the Lannister 35k benchmark in WOT5K in RR bookmark has been no levy reductions

[tidal current]

might have to do that if this doesn’t get fixed

[tidal current]

had this happen too

[jade sequoia]

My best guess is that it's a load order issue but what order would fix it I have no idea as of right now

[tidal current]

I tested with this mod and agot alone and still had it happened

[jade sequoia]

oh nvm then

[tidal current]

i actually just tried it in base game and the same problem is happening

[jade sequoia]

Seems like a mod issue then, not sure what the fix is besides a patch