AGOT - Colonizable Valyria

[narrow wave]

still have to declare all that in definition

[grand dust]

Honestly focus on valyria proper and do the other island after

[narrow wave]

I will propably add all of that at one go

but not soon 😁

[grand dust]

That's why I want you to focus on valyria proper

Thats a lot of counties, perhaps too much ?

[narrow wave]

dont worry, still wouldnt be soon

[quasi needle]

140

[grand dust]

Maybe cut down a bit ?

Keep in mind you need to add the summer lands too

Oros and stuff

[worthy jungle]

i think 140 is perfect, its a large land mass comparable to india

[narrow wave]

Have you yet seen 11 baronies county yet?

[narrow wave]

will add those later propably

[strong hull]

is the dragonpit fixed ?

[grand dust]

We already have 140 counties oros and the summer lands is another similarly sized area so we talking around 280 counties.
That's gonna eat at performance

[narrow wave]

added

[narrow wave]

ik but making them massive would look real bad

ist unfortunately big issue with agot

[narrow wave]

there are so many provinces

Set wasteland option like in LOTR RiE mod would rock

Devs pls pls pls

[grand dust]

Not massive just not too small.
This is gonna tank performance even harder I think it's just a bit too much

You could probably merge a 1/3 of those counties

Not to mention, it's gonna be insufferable to colonize

[unique mulch]

Valyria shouldn't be easy to colonise

I'd personally say there should be event that can send your ruins back

[grand dust]

Yeah i agree it should be a tine consuming expensive project over multiple generations but that's way to many provinces to colonize.
Keep in mind every province takes thousands of gold and many years to complete. ( 20+ )
So 140 it overkill imo

[narrow wave]

i wanted already to make the colonization a little faster

[grand dust]

I think the first stage take around 6 years iirc

And gets longer and more expensive from there

[unique mulch]

Which you can improve with skills

[narrow wave]

pls set wasteland option 🙏 🙏

[unique mulch]

That be very much above me

[grand dust]

Even if you take cutting cornerstones and architect it still takes a long time and thousands of gold 🤣
I think it should be long and expensive. But there shouldn't be that many provinces to colonize

Not to mention; performance

Or decrease the cost and time

[unique mulch]

I do just disagree because of canon
Valyria is massive, it's the most dangerous place in the world and it's ruined

[grand dust]

But a good chunk of valyria is sunk

But if that's your pov then decrease the time and gold requirement

That's too many provinces to colonize conventionally

[unique mulch]

I do see your stance with that, the current cost and time works perfectly with the few ruins in base

[narrow wave]

will propably decrease the time

[grand dust]

The current system isn't designed for large scale massive colonization project.
So yeah a significant adjustment is required to make 140 counties ( and whatever else you add ) manageable

[narrow wave]

also i want to make a very risky decision to search ruins and sell stuff, inspired by Squinty Mellow

[narrow wave]

you could send courtiers also

(to their death)

[cerulean glade]

or your dragons

[rigid radish]

Yooooooo, can you upload that, just like it is in that picture and i'll be able to have fun for days 👐

[opaque drum]

where is holding view

[lapis forge]

u know that's ck2 right?

[mint bolt]

I was going to make a Century of Blood bookmark mod. Can I include files from your mod in that mod?

if not, i will just make your mod a dependency of the one i am making

[dreamy siren]

just gonna say @narrow wave good work man, take your time. Just.... good job 👍

[rigid radish]

Yea, I found out after I wrote my comment 😴

[narrow wave]

yes you can

but idk if its reasonable to make valyria colonizable just after the doom

[mint bolt]

I will taking some liberties

[rigid radish]

Gotta ask, did you add this to the one that's already been uploaded to steam or did it get added in overall to the mod we're all waiting for 👀

[grand dust]

overall mod

[rigid radish]

And here was to hoping

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-me-too-same-same-david-rose-dan-levy-gif-19295178

[rigid radish]

Dear Lord above or people behind the mod, it's me ya boi asking for a favor again. can you please add that part to the part that was uploaded to steam doesn't matter if it's all are ruines, i'm okay with that and i won't bother any of you all until the whole mod is out, Amen 🙏 i simply can't wait 🙏

[grand dust]

uhm, what he said

[bronze niche]

Is this save compatable?

[unique mulch]

No

[bronze niche]

thanks

If anyone is trying to add this to a current save, looks like you can trigger it with debug mode, event is "colonize_valyria.0001"

not sure if this will break things, if it does ill try to update

[grand dust]

anyone who's having issues with cow agot and harrenhall being F-ing massive put this mod before cow agot

[random agate]

Hey just wanted to mention when I move my capital in Valyria I become a republic?

[narrow wave]

thats pretty weird

[random agate]

Aye it’s really werid and won’t let me play my character anymore

[narrow wave]

did you choose for your capital to be a city?

when rebuilding ruins?

[random agate]

Yeah I did

[grand dust]

also no holdings

[narrow wave]

thats the issue, you shouldnt have a city as your capital, because the games notes you as a republic, and republics arent playable

[bronze niche]

appears to break the save if you try to load after triggering the event, for sure just start a new save lol

[narrow wave]

cow???

[grand dust]

lemme check

[random agate]

Ok

[grand dust]

yep

there really needs to be a patch

[rigid radish]

No, chicken 🐔

[visual latch]

when is central valyria release

[rigid radish]

when my prayers are heard 🙏

I refuse to start a new game until that part is out because it would force me to start over again 😅

[visual latch]

frrr

[rigid radish]

I don't really care about bravoos or the rest of essos, i just want valyria so i can get going with my nerd rp shit 😅

I don't care if i'm canon or not, i got my own little fantasi shit going 😅 kinda feels like being a kid again playing an rp game for the first time 👐 fuck the storyline, i am the storyline

[rigid radish]

Update the mod with the second part of valyria within the next hour and i will name my first born after you (in game ofcause)

https://tenor.com/view/starting-starting-now-right-now-now-kramer-gif-16273383

[narrow wave]

[rigid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-shrute-dwight-annoyed-zoom-in-dwight-bored-gif-16290803

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rises-in-the-west-sets-gif-12705477

[rigid radish]

13 mins left

[narrow wave]

?

[rigid radish]

I take it that my offer in regards to the name of my first born wasn't good enough so i'll up the price, update the mod with the second part of valyria within the next hour and i'll name my dragon after you

[rigid radish]

Don't mind me really, i'm just trying to make time go faster until the mod comes out. i'm on the last part of my summer break and just hope i get to enjoy the game before my summer break is over 😅 but hope you all know i'm only taking the piss 👐

[strong hull]

and then ?

[solid ginkgo]

Load cow at the end of your modlist

🐄

[rigid radish]

It was in refence to my comment further up that if they released the mod within an hour, i would name my first born (in game) after the mod dev 😅

[strong hull]

is the dragonpit fixed ?

[narrow wave]

you must please Valyrian Gods.

[silent pike]

I’ve been doing that since the mod came out

[rigid radish]

No, but there is ways to get around it, atleast for the things i wish to do 🙂

[narrow wave]

they might not accept your offerings

[rigid radish]

Trust me, if i had an adresse for those gods, i would send them a fruit basket 👐

[silent pike]

[narrow wave]

the address is not fully out yet so

[rigid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-mushu-crying-sobbing-gif-19776480

[rigid radish]

And how may we please these gods beside having patiance because that is not an option 👀

[narrow wave]

Don't know, ask the native valyrians

but i think they arent with us anymore

[rigid radish]

You'll have to release the next part of that area before we're able to ask them 👀

[narrow wave]

should i abandon this mod to make silly fish peoples🤔

[silent pike]

Release da next update before we piss ourselves LOL

Jk

https://tenor.com/view/anxious-gif-17597644896756472985

[quasi needle]

Yk what you should add

[glacial remnant]

Thank the gods for Bessy

[rigid radish]

Silly fish people 👀 depends on what you mean with silly fish people 👀

On a real note tho, i have no idea on how to but if there is a way to help out, i would love to 👐

[rigid radish]

And i did pray alraedy 🙏

[quasi needle]

A god king doctrine

[silent pike]

https://tenor.com/view/hype-gif-25972342

[narrow wave]

🤔

[grand dust]

That makes the holdings in valyria disappear

[grand dust]

@narrow wave honestly this kinda makes sense.
I'd love to see this doctrine implemented.
Just a 40/50 opinion boost or something

[solid ginkgo]

Idk it fixed it for the most for me, except a beyond the wall turned into ruins along with the disputed lands. But that could be an entirely diffrent mod conflict or error

[grand dust]

A valyrian that restores valyria proper can legitimately claim godhood as he restored one of the most prestigious empires in history from cursed ruins.
Valyrians are always claimed to be closer to Gods than to men

[rigid radish]

None onf us understand what that means, we might pray to the gods but that doesn't mean we understand them 🙏

[solid ginkgo]

hell, if you play around with the bookmarks you could tell the story of Aurion, the dragonlord that tried to re-take valyria after the doom

[quasi needle]

Who doesn't love being hailed as god on earth

[grand dust]

It should be broken like dragons.
Ck2 AGOT had god king as a doctrine when reforming the faith.
It also makes sense roleplay wise

[quasi needle]

Fr that was my favorite thing to do in ck2 agot

[narrow wave]

me neither

[narrow wave]

could you guys be more precise because im not a ck2 player

[rigid radish]

Then we are truly lost

[grand dust]

In ck2 agot, when you reformed an unreformed faith, you could pick how your faith was led, you had autonomous, temporal and more.
AGOT introduced the god king leadership doctrine
Everyone of your own religion got a large opinion bonus towards you, and other faiths got an opinion malus

[narrow wave]

oh cool but it isnt just like the head of faith?

i think u can be faith leader or is it different?

[quasi needle]

Basically instead of being something like a pope you were literally a god the person your religion worshiped

God on earth sort of thing

[narrow wave]

ok cool

[grand dust]

Ck 3 reform works different than ck 2.
Leadership was a doctrine in and by itself.
So here's my idea: the doctrine god king requires you to have temporal leadership and everyone of the same religion gets a large opinion boost towards you, along side some stat bonuses or something.
Other faiths despise you and consider you evil.
You can't pick a synchretic faith with this doctrine.

[quasi needle]

-100 opinion cause proclaiming yourself god would definitely cause people to want to kill you

[grand dust]

Yeah, it should be powerful but also somewhat balanced

[grand dust]

Unless they're cynical at which point they won't care as much

[random agate]

Who else is gonna remake the Valyrian freeholds?

[vernal cliff]

Is there something wrong the dragonpit in this mod on the islands?

Aside from the dragonkeeper bug

[narrow wave]

I think its the only issue

[rigid radish]

Nah the only issue in my world is the fact we only got the left side of valyria and not the rest

[warm pike]

French translation done. I took the liberty of replacing the "dragons" in the volcanic mines with the "Firewyrm", "Veurs de feu" in French, which I think is a better fit. 🇫🇷

[rigid radish]

👀

[narrow wave]

That's awesome, thanks, will mention you in the credits

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/zemmour-zozz-france-drapeau-zemmour2022-gif-25236479

[rigid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-11625313334009911234

[silent pike]

https://tenor.com/view/stretchy-pants-nacho-libre-gif-2851610788763330059

[random agate]

Has this mod be updated in the past couple of days?

[grand dust]

Nope

[random agate]

Ok

[grand dust]

What a pleasant and productive conversation

[random agate]

Sound mucka

[silent pike]

[agile lake]

yall need to learn patience lmao

[dreamy siren]

stares did a ton of messages just go poof lol?

not that i mind

the weird convo was unneeded (people do need patience though)

[rigid radish]

Welp, i personally don't think there's been an issue throughout the time this thread has been here, i personally believe most people in here is just excited because of what's been shown so far by Maki.

[grand dust]

^^^^

[grand dust]

If someone told me they're excited for my mod, and they want an update, I'd be elated not frustrated.
It really depends on how you choose to view it.
You can view it positively and be glad and happy people are taking an interest in the wonderful mod you're creating ( like our man maksiu ) or you can view it negatively and get defensive and frustrated.
It really is a matter of how you choose to view it.

[rigid radish]

I know that i have personally tried to answer questions i knew the answers too when other people would ask along with trying to hype up the upcoming mod, i believe from what i seen so far that others in here is doing the same but if i have been a pain in somewhat way, i do wish to apologies and it won't happen again. I'll be looking forward to seeing your mod once it's complete Maki, good wind forward.

[dreamy siren]

multiple people got pestering him to update it and asking when update.
lets not go down the excuses rabbit hole okay?

This convo is unnecessary. It'll update when the modder updates it and not before, its also a fairly sizeable mod by comparison to others.
So yes, patience is necessary. Please try to have some and not scare them off?

[glacial remnant]

By the seven who are one, what happened here

[grand dust]

You don't wanna know

[glacial remnant]

I mean I know

I read it back

And jesus

[narrow wave]

Thanks for concerns and kind words, I wanted to clarify that I don't really stress or feel pressure about this mod, but I know this is often a real issue for modders.

So i wanted to thank the Dev Team for engaging and caring about modders mental health

[grand dust]

[silent pike]

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tywin-lannister-blackwater-game-of-thrones-the-battle-is-over-we-have-won-gif-14142356

[narrow wave]

Don't worry u still wont get that update soon 😁

[grand dust]

I know man, that was kind of obvious from how much good stuff you're planning on adding

[silent pike]

Yeah I figured it was going to be a while until this mod fully releases. Blessed we have what we have atm so fk it we ball

[grand dust]

And on a further note, while we're at it, we really do appreciate your work and the time you invest.
I know sometimes we're a pain in the butt but that's only because we're all very excited and hyped for this masterful creation you're cooking

[coral laurel]

Idk why but I feel like center island or at least one or 2 of them should be entirely encompassed by a city, similar to kings landing and the surrounding islands should have small cities that are actually chunks that were split from the main city

[narrow wave]

Yeah that would be cool but I'm not really into models modding

Might try that

but not for now

[coral laurel]

Of course take your time.

[narrow wave]

I think valyria and some other important cities models are a necessity

but in the long run

[grand dust]

Can't believe he got a heart but I didn't

[grand dust]

Bro if you can add that it'll be fire

[grand dust]

The island of Elyria fits that description.
we know that valyria was a large city in valyria itself, but that it didn't encompass the whole island.
The problem with creating a massive city is the fact that there's a lot of small counties.
Imo the COUNTY of valyria should be larger than all the others

Kind of like kings landing where each barony is a chunk of the city

[coral laurel]

I agree, although I'm pretty sure we don't know the full size of the city, old valyriaa wasn't islands prior to the doom, so so the city could have very well have been that big but most of it would be destroyed

[rigid radish]

I personally think that if Maki can just do to the rest of valyria, what they already have done to the first part, it would be okay and perfect until the massive essos mod comes out or until the agot mod team gets there 👐

[grand dust]

Yes ( to both points )
It's very fair to assume that the city of valyria was very large.
Which is why I say the county itself should be very big with a lot of holding slots ( like in the north ) so that you can build a massive city

[narrow wave]

It's definitely bigger than King's Landing

[grand dust]

Like, take some of the central counties, and unite them into a super province that will compose the new city of valyria

[narrow wave]

The dots 😡

[grand dust]

Oh

Lol

[narrow wave]

hate them

[grand dust]

Also yeah the dots

[narrow wave]

I will fix them

as i did before

[grand dust]

Looking lit af

[grand dust]

Dude I can already envision a city.
Imo it should be a valley surrounded by a mountain range that'll give the capital barony a large fort defense.

[coral laurel]

Maybe it's like pentos and has multiple castles splitting the city into several countries, and if you re-establish a (hypothetical) custom valyrian government type the head of the kingdom is chosen from the holders

That'd allow other dragon lords to take power

[grand dust]

That's not a bad idea either

[narrow wave]

I think it would be administrative government from roads to power

will see if it needs dlc

[coral laurel]

Oh ya definitely now that I think about it

[grand dust]

But the whole point is to keep power around a single dragon riding hkuse

[grand dust]

Imo there should be special flavor for dragonriding rulers of administrative government.
Like, only their own dynasty being eligible for emperorship and a large influence boost from being dragonlords

[coral laurel]

I mean the valyrians didn't really do that, they kind of traded power between the 40 houses, some more often than orgers

[grand dust]

But they're gone.
It's just you ( either as a custom house or as targaryen )

[narrow wave]

Yeah, will have to see how moddable influence will be

[coral laurel]

I mean you could always reestablish the 40 houses via cadet branches and role-playing the main house attempting to stay the head

[grand dust]

Also inheritance should be restricted to dragonriders only, it's valyria after all.
Maybe even make a game rule that only allows the kings children/immediate family to inherit.

[grand dust]

You could, but why would you do that ?
Role play wise, valyria was always hampered by the politicking and intrigue.
Gameplay wise, do you really want 39 other dragonriding houses to contest your rule ?

[grand dust]

Take the administrative government, and make a special, valyrian administrative government that limits some of the plots against the emperor himself, as well as tightens inheritance law

[rigid radish]

Personally and with what i got going with my nerd shit. yes

[coral laurel]

That could be fun, like if dragons go extinct your kingdom dissolves due to there being no heir, and after the kingdom dissolves all county holders auto go to war with each to see who claims the throne

[coral laurel]

Yes

[grand dust]

Yeah, that could happen.
Dragons being gone and everything going into the toilet real quick

[rigid radish]

I've got 5 big families going with over 100 people written and some shit going i wish to get in there. we are some rp nerds in here who loves to make our own stories and try to play it out

[grand dust]

Yep

[rigid radish]

👀

[grand dust]

Okay, brainstorming ( and wall text )
Valyrian administrative government will have much more power concentrated in the hands of the emperor than base game.
No one defied the dragonriders of old, and men trembled before them.
This should be properly implemented in the government.
Less plots against the emperor, less chance of saying no etc.
Also, unique vassal type: colony.
Valyria had colonies that had a large degree of autonomy like volantis, pentos, lys.
Kingdom level titles should have access to a colony administration type.
( ill leave makisuu to figure out the specifics )

[narrow wave]

I don't know about the colony holding.

I will propably work with Magtaius about the Freehold mechanics

so you will see

[cerulean raft]

how much of this is complete?

[narrow wave]

Its very beta

[cerulean raft]

oo okayy

[grand dust]

I'm assuming this doesn't come out before roads to power, due to all the other stuff you need to fill in. so having a unique valyrian government is on the table

[narrow wave]

Looks like this but wont come out soon

[narrow wave]

Yeah, exactly

[grand dust]

[narrow wave]

I hope i can update mod before

But not with freehold mechanics

[grand dust]

These could come later The unique administration and administration types will probably take some time to figure out

[rigid radish]

Ruin mechanics is fine too 😅

[grand dust]

Also they need tweaking

[warm pike]

I just want to point out that there is a strange incompatibility between this mod and that of "COW-AGOT: 3D Models & New Mechanics". When I activate both at the same time I end up with a giant Harrenhal on the map.

[grand dust]

Yep

Disable it

If you load cow agot BEFORE this mod the holdings in valyria disappear
( no giant harrenhal tho )

[narrow wave]

Yeah, play with COW on your own risk (set it after colonizable valyria)

[rigid radish]

There's been nothing but issues with COW on my end which is why i don't have it in my load order

[grand dust]

It seems to me that the city of valyria was sitting on top of a mountain.

[narrow wave]

ummmm yeah

[rigid radish]

Let's go ask Martin

[grand dust]

Maybe that should be reflected in the terrain ?

[narrow wave]

[rigid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-drama-fantasy-game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-gif-3462370

[grand dust]

Like, the vast majority of it should be mountains.
Or maybe a valley surrounded by mountains

[grand dust]

[narrow wave]

Are the Lands Between east of Asshai?

and west to westeros

thats why between

[grand dust]

I think it's supposed to be purgatory

[rigid radish]

I believe if i'm not mistaken that you actually get to see Old Valyria in it's glory in the very old tv show, a song of ice and fire. in case you wish to make a copy of that 👐

[narrow wave]

I have inspired on map from this site more
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/23/a-new-song-of-ice-and-fire-game-of-thrones-world-map/

[grand dust]

Also please remember that the fourteen flames are on valyria and not in the lands of the long summer.
So no volcanoes on the northern side of the smoking sea

[warm pike]

It's okay, I have no more worries.

[grand dust]

So that's how you decide upon where to place the mountains

[narrow wave]

Yes

[warm pike]

When are you going to do the update? Knowing that I have to do the French translation. 🇫🇷

[narrow wave]

Didnt do it 1:1

[narrow wave]

not soon

[grand dust]

Also ( I know in talking a lot but bear with me )
What will you do for the lands of the long summer ? They've been told to be the most fertile in the world and grow crops year round.
But have since the doom been devastated.
How will you implement them ?

[narrow wave]

I could send you localization before if you wont mind

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/france-flag-gif-europe-gif-27417985

[warm pike]

I think you should wait for the DLC release and the AGOT update (after that I don't know how long it would take). At least you would have time to do the whole zone and it would allow to apply the new mechanics of the Byzantine Empire to the Valyrian Empire.

[grand dust]

^^^^^

[warm pike]

Yes, I translate texts very quickly. Chatgpt is useful for that, then I correct the mistakes.

[rigid radish]

That's what i been kinda saying since first update. keep it small and in the way you already have for now and ofc clean up here and there but don't throw an extreme amount of time into it now only for an update to come out and then have you start all over or making your work wasted

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[narrow wave]

Ngl i don't think the work i done would be destroyed by the update that much, because my mod is not that advanced

It will propably add much depth to mapping

but i dont think it will destroy my work that much

[grand dust]

It's not gonna change your mod because it doesn't touch valyria

( at least I hope )

[rigid radish]

As i told Average in dms earlier, i been a mod/game tester for 10+ years and i just see it to often, that's why i'm from the standpoint that i'm at 🙏

[warm pike]

Do you plan to work on the main mod ? It would be a shame to duplicate if they have ambitions to expand the map.

[grand dust]

Can't believe he called me average.
I'm just average.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS ?????
goes and murmurs in the corner

[narrow wave]

I think the devs had stated that they wont make valyria colonizable

in the core mod

So i think im safe

[grand dust]

Which is why heros like you are here

[rigid radish]

Welp, if that's the case, go at them and tell me what i can do to help

[warm pike]

ok

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rosadiaz-stephaniebeatriz-brooklynninenine-fight-holdmeback-gif-4587974

[vernal cliff]

I am having a problem where I have no actions can be taken on a brand new dragon pit that I have built on an island off the coast of Westeros

No court amenities to select from for the dragonpit

[grand dust]

That's a known issue I believe

[vernal cliff]

any fix?

[grand dust]

Not that I'm aware of

[vernal cliff]

for fuck SAKE

game ruining shi right there

[grand dust]

It's why I don't play with this mods yet

[vernal cliff]

Is it this mod causing it?

[grand dust]

@narrow wave can we get a patch for this ? It is kinda gamebreaking

[narrow wave]

Idk what causes the issue

😇

[vernal cliff]

Is it actually from this mod tho specifically

[narrow wave]

I think so

[grand dust]

You should really figure it out.
It is pretty game breaking.

[vernal cliff]

breh, I asked was there any other bugs and the only one mentioned was the dragonkeeper bs

[grand dust]

If you really want to find out, disable all other mods

[grand dust]

Wasn't that fixed ?

[narrow wave]

no

[vernal cliff]

I'm ok with that bug

[grand dust]

[vernal cliff]

not being able to use the dragonpit tho is gonna be irritating

gonna have a look myself

[grand dust]

Poggers

While you're at it maybe figure out the dragonkeeper bug as well

[rigid radish]

I'm eatinh atm but I'll write a solution afterwards that makes it work for me 🙌🏻

[vernal cliff]

the dragonpit?

[rigid radish]

Yes

[vernal cliff]

gonna kiss you with ur mouth full

[rigid radish]

So, it's gonna be a little wall of text so i can either dm it to ya or if it's okay with Maksi, i can post it here 👐

Is it okay with you @narrow wave ?

[grand dust]

Post it let's see it

[rigid radish]

Alright

[narrow wave]

No problem, you can dm or send it here

[grand dust]

WELL GO ON !

SHOW US THE FILTHY CULPRIT WHO CAUSETH MANY A DISCOMFORT !

[rigid radish]

So i use 3 mods
First one is called "Create Custom Duchy (UPDATED)" and the second one is called "One Duchy Kingdom | Easy Found a Kingdom Decision" and last one is called
Advanced Cheat Menu not to forget the mod called "move your capital"

So the thick is that the create duchy mod has a bug, the last county you conqure is going to be the one that has a duchy building. so i use the cheat menu to give myself the county i wish ( and the one with the dragonpit is ofcause the last county i take ) (you need 3 counties) then i make the discision to create custom duchy which removes the dragonpit that's already there (because it's bugged and will continue to be until the update) and then i use the descision to create an easy kingdom so i can build a new dragonpit (the one agot already got put in) in that way, the old dragonpit gets removed ( you keep the bonusses because it's bound to country and not building ) along with a working now a working dragonpit that therefore removed the dragonkeeper bug.

and if you do it correct, there will be a total of 3 kingdoms in valyria and therefor you can also make it into an Empire.

[grand dust]

I though you were gonna figure out a proper fix not some creative way to get around it

[rigid radish]

SO if you do it correct, blue can be a duchy. yellow a kingdom. purple a kingdom. green a kingdom. you keep the duchy building part and you get to have dragonpits in each of those kingdoms. 😅

[rigid radish]

Nah. i'm a mod tester, not a mod creater. i'm just a desperate nerd 😅

it's a bit of a way around it until the update but it works just fine :3

[grand dust]

I still don't understand how to replicate this fix.
Max just needs to put out a hot fix instead of waiting

[rigid radish]

Do you now understand why the ruins are just fine for me, i'll use this trick to make plenty of kingdoms, each a dragon house and then i'll get to have my massive fight, it ain't canon but it's gonna be fun, for me atleast 😅

[vernal cliff]

yeah tbh I am building a dragonpit in westeros

and shi ain't workin

[rigid radish]

could it be the new update that came today? i always remove the mod and re-add it everytime a new update comes to move chances of bugs

[grand dust]

I think there really needs to be a hot fix.
We can't wait a month+ for it

[vernal cliff]

my game hasn't updated yet

so doubt it

[grand dust]

Unsub and resub

[vernal cliff]

why tho

I wanna keep this version of agot

[grand dust]

Oh, well you do you !

[rigid radish]

I can wait for a hotfix but i have a hard time waiting for the rest of the islands 😅

[rigid radish]

Then there isn't much to do about it

[vernal cliff]

Does the update fix my problem?

[rigid radish]

Most likely, that's why they sometimes make their updates, it's to fix issues such as those 🙃

[vernal cliff]

I mean, it may break my current save rn, if I update, so there's no point to do so if it doesn't fix my bug

I will see if it does

[grand dust]

I have the opposite problem.
I have no issue waiting for the islands but this bug with the dragonpit ( and also the time and money it takes to colonize ) is what kills any sort kf playthrough idea for me.

[rigid radish]

Personally, i haven't had any of their updates ruin my saves, i do that plenty myself because i find awesome mods such as these all the time 😅

[rigid radish]

I hear ya, i would say cheat mod fixes most of that. yes it will take some work to get the start you'll like but it can work. for example, i ain't going to wait 20+ years in game time just to have 1 castle at valyria. so i use the money command and instabuild command to get my castle. after that, i use the money command to remove the left over so i'm back to the money the game started me with and then i go from there. or take some nobody in game above of lys and use that char to make it so valyria is no longer a ruin and take it from him. there is so many ways to get a proper start at valyria if you wish to at this point. if you already have a save game going and you can't take the land from anyone then you can use the colonize event command in debug and do it that way through. and remember, then game let's you have more then 1 dragonpit so worst case, build a second one in your kingdom and then make it so your dragonkeeper stays there until the update is out 🙂

[grand dust]

I'm using divine intervention cheat menu

How do you use another character to restore a ruin ?

[rigid radish]

pause your game and change to a different charecter and use that person to do what you wanna do and once you're ready, change back and kill them off 🤷‍♂️

[grand dust]

But the land won't go to your character

It follows inheritance rules

[rigid radish]

Not if you take it from said person??

I don't know "devine intervension" to well but it's pretty easy to do with advance cheat menu. like everything is pretty straight forward with that and makes even debug menu easier

[grand dust]

Honestly just turn debug on and put it " instabuild "

[grand dust]

Explain the process

[cloud tulip]

so i havent really been following, the mod is out but its legit like nothing in there right

[grand dust]

Pretty much.
There's some islands, a volcano, and a nonfunctional dragonpit

[rigid radish]

you want me to explain the process of getting the countries or?

[grand dust]

The counties

[rigid radish]

Well with the advance cheat mod, you just right click on the invicible man "who owns the ruins" and press the one that says "take title" and take away their title? it's then given to you. then i normally use the money command, upgrade the ruins and buying the rest of the area''s around valyria. once i pressed upgrade ruin on each of the counties then i put in the command instabuild in debug and it completes the buildings, i repeat it a total of 3 times. then i press unpause for a in game day so the event with castle, temple or town is triggered and yea, pick castle for each one and then jump over to my own toon and use first part texted here to take the titels from the random char and afterwards i use debug to kill the random char so their hair will get his original county while you're keeping Valyria 🤷‍♂️

I believe it's pretty simple 😅

it normally takes me like 10 mins tops to do this when i start one of my fantasi playthroughs 😅

where there is a will there is a way 👐

[vernal cliff]

agot_create_generic_dragonpit_scripted_effect = {
    $DRAGON_PIT_OWNER$ = {
        trigger_event = agot_dragonkeepers.0001  # Creates the Head Dragonkeeper Character, Provides a Little Bit of Context to Player
        #  Adds a variable to the county holding the dragonpit so that the decision cannot be taken again
        if = {
            limit = {
                any_held_county = {
                    any_county_province = {
                        has_holding_type = castle_holding
                        has_building_or_higher = generic_dragon_pit_01
                        has_building = valyria_volcano_01
                    }
                    NOT = { has_variable = has_dragonkeeper_order }
                }
            }
            random_held_county = {
                limit = {
                    any_county_province = {
                        has_holding_type = castle_holding
                        has_building_or_higher = generic_dragon_pit_01
                    }
                    NOT = { has_variable = has_dragonkeeper_order }
                }
                set_variable = { name = has_dragonkeeper_order }
            }
            add_realm_law = dragonpit_close_family_law
        }
        if = {
            limit = {
                has_ep1_dlc_trigger = yes
            }
            hidden_effect = { set_amenity_level = { type = agot_dragonpit_amenities value = 3 } }
            custom_tooltip = agot_dragonpit_amenities_level_set_to_three_tt
        }
    }
}

Feel like this is the problem

any_county_province = {
                        has_holding_type = castle_holding
                        has_building_or_higher = generic_dragon_pit_01
                        has_building = valyria_volcano_01
                    }

does this need an OR? feel like that is checking it has all three, making it impossible to build a dragonpit with no valyrian volcano

[grand dust]

You can use " take titles " in the divine intervention cheat menu as well

[rigid radish]

Then it should be pretty straight forward

[grand dust]

Now it's just the dragonpit bug

[rigid radish]

And that's why i use the create duchy mod to remove the bugged out dragonpit so i can create my own 🤷‍♂️

until the mod is updated

[vernal cliff]

Have you built a dragon pit outside of valyria, KL and Dragonstone

[rigid radish]

No? because that's not what's being the issue here?? it's the vulcano dragonpit bug i believe we're taking about with the constant dragonkeeper leaving?

[vernal cliff]

I think they're tied together

[vernal cliff]

That is the issue I have been having

I built one on the island beside Tarth

[grand dust]

Did you find a way to fix it ?

[vernal cliff]

Maybe

gonna try it now

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/black-clover-emoticon-asta-lets-go-gif-21016541

[vernal cliff]

.

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-creepy-smile-gif-18297390

[rigid radish]

I haven't had issues in neither of the dragonpits that's already there in the base mod, so no issues in pentos, kinglanding nor dragonstone.

I haven't had any issues with dragonpits i had to build in other kingdoms neither. only dragon pit i had an issue with is the one at valyria but i still don't have any issues with the other dragonpits while this one is active if that makes sense?

[vernal cliff]

There is a dragonpit in Pentos?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[rigid radish]

Yea? in the big town?

[vernal cliff]

I didn't have issues building dragonpits until using this mod

[grand dust]

Ey ?

[vernal cliff]

So will check

[grand dust]

Make sure the dragonpit in valyria works properly

[rigid radish]

I normally stay in essos with my toons, first area i take is pentos because it has a dragonpit? 👀

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/aemond-targaryen-hotd-house-of-the-dragon-mashallah-gif-26931962

[vernal cliff]

put this in common/scripted_effects @grand dust

test it with me

[grand dust]

I can't rn

It's 3 am

[vernal cliff]

cringe

1am testing for me it is

[grand dust]

sigh FINE

[rigid radish]

2 am here 🙌🏻

[vernal cliff]

🇪🇺

[rigid radish]

I shall name my knights after you all 💪🏻

[grand dust]

launching now

[vernal cliff]

waiting for mine to load in rn

btw this won't fix existing issues

you need to rebuild or restart

this is fixing how it is setup initially

gonna get rid of my dragonpit and rebuild it

see if it works then

i should have accounted for claiming the county in valyria

[grand dust]

will it fix the natural dragonpit in valyria

[vernal cliff]

it should

but

you need to play before you actually complete colonizing it

i.e. when the dragonpits are meant to activate

has to go through the process of that again

[grand dust]

i dont understand

[vernal cliff]

you need to start playing before you colonized valyria

[grand dust]

okay thats not an issue

[vernal cliff]

and you need to start playing before building a pit elsewhere that wasn't workin

if thats something you want ofc

[neon grotto]

How do I do claim it just says ruin ? Forgive me I’m slightly still new to this

[vernal cliff]

decision

near the bottom

YES

MY PROBLEMS FIXED

LETSSSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

funding is there now and I have a dragonkeeper

[grand dust]

took all titles, now im a ruin lol

[rigid radish]

Lmao not the way to do it when it asks you what titel you wish to take, then you click on the title you wish, if you take the title "ruin" then you ofcause become a ruin

[vernal cliff]

btw

is the voyage meant to kill your dragons

fucked me up fr

letting me know how bad it is when I eventually do it

[grand dust]

works

( picture uploading is slow )

[vernal cliff]

It works? your dragonpit is working?

[grand dust]

yep

[vernal cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-savior-tom-hiddleston-gif-11233336

[grand dust]

gonna send you some crypto shekels

[vernal cliff]

@narrow wave upload fix ❤️ xoxo

[rigid radish]

Yea, run a few ingame days and see if he stays cause the bug keeps removing them.

[grand dust]

still here

[vernal cliff]

gonna play a couple yrs

It just had messed up initialization, it wasn't recording properly the dragonpit being setup, so dragonkeeper couldn't stick around since it didn't exist correctly

[grand dust]

im gonna hop back into bed

[rigid radish]

If it works then sure Maksi update the fix along with the small little island that's red 😅

[rigid radish]

Sleep well when you get there

[grand dust]

Ain't going to sleep quite just yet

[rigid radish]

And don't forget to look under the bed to make sure the monsters ain't there 👐

[grand dust]

There's dirt and a weight calculator but that's it

[rigid radish]

Better safe then sorry 👐

[grand dust]

Also

I forgor

https://tenor.com/view/black-clover-emoticon-asta-lets-go-gif-21016541

[rigid radish]

is someone going to let Maksi know you figured it out 👀

[vernal cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-finally-rest-avengers-endgame-infinity-war-gif-26712715

[grand dust]

We already tagged him

[rigid radish]

Oh right, didn't see that 😅

[vernal cliff]

yeah its all g

dragonkeeper sticks around

[rigid radish]

Perfecto

Then i really need the second island if i'm going to do what i wish to do 😅 because i'm going to need 4 kingdoms and 1 duchy to make my sandbox thingy 😅

[neon grotto]

I don’t see it 😂

[vernal cliff]

You high valyrian?

[neon grotto]

Yeah

[vernal cliff]

you at war, imprisoned or don't have enough gold?

[neon grotto]

3k gold,no wars,and a free man

[vernal cliff]

decision_colonize_valyria = {
title = settle_valyria
desc = colonize_valyria_decision_desc
picture = "gfx\interface\illustrations\decisions\decision_valyria.dds"
ai_goal = no
cost = {gold = 800}
is_shown = {

    title:c_nuqiria.holder = { government_has_flag = government_is_ruins } #works
    
    dynasty ?= { has_dynasty_modifier = valyrian_heritage_dynasty_modifier } #works
    #OR = { #doesn't work
    #    has_trait = lifestyle_traveler
    #    has_trait = dragonrider
    #}

}
is_valid = {
    is_at_war = no
    is_imprisoned = no
    gold >= 800
}
effect = {
    trigger_event = colonize_valyria.0001
}

}

dynasty has to be valyrian and the land is not yet colonized (do not take valyria aside from this decision)

is that the dragonseed dynasty modifier>

[rigid radish]

OR use a cheat menu to take the title just be careful not to take the ruin title

[grand dust]

Yeah that's no bueno

[rigid radish]

It's kinder bueno 👀

https://tenor.com/view/kinder-kinderino-yeah-dude-ferrero-gif-16276448

[strong hull]

Hallo wollen sie ein Überraschungsei ?

[fluid saffron]

it still is dropping out after a year or so for me.

[pale minnow]

just noticed while testing, it happens every time a building finishes construction

[fluid saffron]

Yes I noticed this too

So, something, the mod never calls agot_create_generic_dragonpit_scripted_effect

Which is the function Tuned edited.

[silent pike]

Hopefully he updates this whenever he sees the ping

[fluid saffron]

Well, the function included in the Valyria mod is broken, because it edited the effect that is used by generic dragon pits.

And I am not sure if that was actually necessary

[vernal cliff]

Been playing all night with it, but haven't touched Valyria, so at least the generic dragonpit errors are fixed

[vernal cliff]

Yeah but AGOT itself does, and he was accounting for the volcano shenanigans by adding it

Gonna sleep now tho, getting my gamer hours in before uni starts

[fluid saffron]

So looking at what is happening, they are being fired every time a building is built on the Volcano country.

[vernal cliff]

ye had a feeling off the top of the dome

if you can fix while I sleep feel free to share

[fluid saffron]

I will share if I can find it, I think it might be a bug with vanila maybe

[narrow wave]

You are awesome 🫶👏

[vernal cliff]

Was fake news in the end

[narrow wave]

Oh

[vernal cliff]

There's a problem when buildings are built

[fluid saffron]

Ok, found it

[vernal cliff]

But it fixes the building of generic dragonpits

Which also wasn't working

[fluid saffron]

there is an event to remove the dragon order variable

which is fired every time a building is finished

[narrow wave]

Oh shit

[fluid saffron]

to not be fired, it needs more than dragon_pit 1 or a county province.

be it Rhaneys Hill or Dragonstone

It is a pretty easy fix, if annoying.

[narrow wave]

I didnt check the core ruin event

[narrow wave]

Thanks savior 🫶

[fluid saffron]

can_this_dragonpit_be_destroyed_when_dragonpit_building_is_replaced

This scripted trigger will need to be replaced

and the on_action which checks it will need to be updated as well

[vernal cliff]

Make sure you incl the fix I did for the generic dragonpits if ur updating

Dat shi was annoyin me

[fluid saffron]

Tbh, you can just remove that scripted trigger override entirely

I mean sure, the OR fixes the bug, but you don't need to check for the volcano building at all

as the volcano building like the dragonmount should be handled without the generic building checks.

    has_variable = has_dragonkeeper_order
    NOR = {
        any_county_province = {
            has_building_or_higher = generic_dragon_pit_01
        }
        any_county_province = {
            OR = {
                this = title:b_rhaenyss_hill.title_province
                this = title:b_dragonstone.title_province
                this = title:b_ilvonys_1.title_province
            }
        }
    }
}```

[hearty field]

I have a problem, when I build any Dragon pit that is not in Kings Island or Dragonstone, a message appears as if it is invalid for funding at the court and the pit is built but I can't hire any dragonkeeper and it doesn't lay any eggs or dragon inside, it's as if it doesn't exist, has anyone ever had or seen this problem?, thanks in advance!

[narrow wave]

I'm in the process of writing a fix, thanks to Tuned and Zarahustra's efforts

[hearty field]

it started giving this bug when I installed the valyrya mod, but now any dragonpit I build is invalid

[hearty field]

ahm yes, thanks, does the correction have a date to arrive?

[narrow wave]

Not really, testing rn

[fluid saffron]

Yes I have fixed it entirely

[narrow wave]

Can't guarantee when

[fluid saffron]

I will share the fixed on_action

So the snippet before is the scripted trigger.

The code in this file is the replaced on_action

[hearty field]

But I did a play now playing in Westeros, but with the Valyrya mod active, and the bug still happened, was it just because the Valyrya mod was active?

[fluid saffron]

Maki, with this code you should be able to delete the reference to the volcano in the create dragon pit scripted effect. As what this code now does is replicates how Dragonstone works.

[narrow wave]

I'm dumb, I just added the if part and launched the game 🙃

[fluid saffron]

Which I assume was your intent

[narrow wave]

Yes you are a lifesaver

[fluid saffron]

fun fact, probably the first contribution to a CKIII mod, which is kinda funny given that I was the guy who wrote the magic system for the Gehmisnacht mod for CKII 😄

[narrow wave]

A comeback 🤔

Thanks a lot 👏

[fluid saffron]

I was inspired to look at CKIII again when I saw the developer diary annoucing an effect to damage armies...

I think I will need to write a magic mod...

[narrow wave]

Btw should i copy everything or just the part with the dragonpits

and the entry

[fluid saffron]

That snippit should be an entire on_action

so if you have it in a file in the on_actions folder, it will replace the AGOT on_action.

You will need the entire on_action

You might also need the earlier snippit I sent as well which was the scripted_trigger. Looking at the AGOT code it looks a bit spaghetti, but maybe they know something I don't with their redudency.

[thorny meadow]

Quick question, is there a non steam link for the mod?

[narrow wave]

Yes, Paradox Mods link: https://mods.paradoxplaza.com/mods/89058/Any

[narrow wave]

i added that

something like it

[hearty field]

Guys, where is the natural dragonpit in pentos? so I can see if getting it would be worth it to stop the bug

[warped ore]

where i have to enter this code to fix the dragonpit bug?

[fluid saffron]

That needs to become an on_action

I have my own personal mod that is always last in my mod list with all these sorts of fixes

[warped ore]

sorry for asking but, how i made that?

[warped ore]

okey i think i know, i have to copy that code and put it in on_action folder?

[narrow wave]

All is working i think

I will be posting a patch rn

[warped ore]

okey then i wait, i dont know what im doing 😦

[fluid saffron]

Sorry I am something of an uncouth coder.

I just joined this discord so I could share the fix with Maki because I noticed he had said he wasn't sure how to fix it on his steam comments.

[narrow wave]

Thanks, posted a update with Yours and Tuned's fixes +added French translation made by TesaVonAtti

[warped ore]

mod updated, gona try it

need a new game or be fine with the ongoing one?

[narrow wave]

i think a new game is needed unfortunately

but you can try

[warped ore]

send all my drags to the pit, lets see if they fly away

lets try a new game

[narrow wave]

• Version 0.1.2

Added French translation - Thanks to TesaVonAtti

Dragonkeeper issue got fixed - Thanks to Zarathustra for fixing the issue

The issue with building another Dragonpit got fixed - Thanks to Tuned for providing me with a fix

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3322514934
https://mods.paradoxplaza.com/mods/89058/Any

[fluid saffron]

new save not required for the fix for the dragonkeeper issue.

Btw, still a bit unclear Maki, maybe I missed it, but do you plan to eventually have all three of the Valyria isles?

[narrow wave]

Yes

+peninsula

[narrow wave]

.

[fluid saffron]

mmm, so, I am so looking forwards to doing a proper government mod once Roads to Power drops as well.. Need my administrative empire 😄

[serene breach]

any thoughts on porting the dragonstone model or something similar to notable castles in valyria?

[narrow wave]

I don't really think i would use core devs assets for that, so not really.

[dreamy siren]

do we even have canon examples of proper valyrian architecture that isn't fanart?

not as in general valyrian

but the peninsula cities

[narrow wave]

I don't think so, I would propably base on a mix of those

[dreamy siren]

(i know you said about not using core dev assets. But tbf you could 'butcher together' aspects from dragonstone and harrenhals ruined look)

yeah

those are good, but i don't think are 'canon'

[narrow wave]

We have also this

[dreamy siren]

but man thue latter looks so good

not on top but sorta related to my comment

when you fully repair harrenhall, does it look repaired?

[narrow wave]

no

It is still destroyed

[dreamy siren]

damn

[narrow wave]

[dreamy siren]

someone told me ages back it does, must've been a mod

was gonna say

you could take assets and splice with new ones to make ruined major cities

and then have an option to 'upgrade' to fix them

which changes the model to be more like those pics

but realistic ofc

[narrow wave]

I would propably modify them a bit

[dreamy siren]

(realistic as in realistic for development)

[narrow wave]

and add my own stuff also

[dreamy siren]

yee

wonder if the devs themselves will ever add in myr/pentos/tyrosh tier models for valyria

even if they don't make it as a rule colonizeable

just like cool useable ruins

[strong hull]

is there a 3D model online because it was printet in a 3D printer

thats not real stone

[narrow wave]

Idk, It was made for show purposes

[grand dust]

It does with cow agot which doesn't work with this mod

[dreamy siren]

shame

is COW agots updated to the current AGOTS update tho?

[grand dust]

No idea, go check the mod page for it

[grand dust]

If you can replicate this it'll be F-ing massive

[rigid radish]

I got pinged 👀

[warped ore]

my dragonkeeper keep going away

[fluid saffron]

did your game download the update>?

[warped ore]

mmmmmm

im gonna try to unsub and sub

no new game required?

[rigid radish]

Welp, morning you all

[grand dust]

tis be the afternoon good sir

[rigid radish]

Not if you work at night like myself 😅

[grand dust]

I work afternoon to night

Well 1400-2000

[fluid saffron]

Mmm we still need a way to make the Valeria title without conquering another kingdom.

[grand dust]

Use " Bypass_requirements " command

@fluid saffron

[fluid saffron]

I just wrote a grant title decision for e_valyria

[grand dust]

[fluid saffron]

I think I just got a brilliant idea... use dynamic titles with roads of power titular armies to create a lockstep legion mechanic...

[hearty field]

Does anyone know why the dragon's customization screen is like this? Can't customize

[distant geyser]

I got this in my restored valyrian ruins, any idea what mod could be the culprit?

[narrow wave]

cow

I will soon release a compatch made by @weak trellis

[grand dust]

Any UI mods ?

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ertugrul-dirilis-ertugrul-eyvallah-gif-22116261

[hearty field]

These are my installed mods, I was customizing normally, I didn't add any other mods, I just started another campaign and it looked like this

[grand dust]

Disable battle window, building reboot, and cow agot and see if the issue persists

[hearty field]

ok

[grand dust]

Keep us updated

[hearty field]

okay

[grand dust]

This is conquerors isle not cow patch

[narrow wave]

no

its for valyria

oh i named it that

dang

dumb mistake

[grand dust]

Can you believe this guy made a mistake ?????

[narrow wave]

For COW issues Literally A Person made a compatch
Colonizable Valyria COW Compatch: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?edit=true&id=3326493146

[grand dust]

It's still a different description

[narrow wave]

its named differently now but it doesnt update on discord

[grand dust]

thanks bro

[hearty field]

The problem continues, apparently it wasn't one of those

😦

[grand dust]

that was my best guess, you're gonna have to check every mod one after the other

[hearty field]

I think it has to do with these last 3 lines of customization, because yesterday when I played I didn't have these options, but I don't know which mod adds this

[grand dust]

mine doesnt have this issue so let me try and compare my modlist to yours

[hearty field]

ok

[grand dust]

faster council tasks
independent petty kingdoms
no attrition
dragonlord ascendency
better terrain graphic and window
lannister gold
agot immersive warfare
agot hotd velayrion
struggle for westeros
conquest bookmark
dragonskulls for all courts
double lifestyle xp
new building reboot
cow agot

these are the mods i dont have

[hearty field]

what are your mods?

[grand dust]

the mods above are the ones i dont have that YOU do

as for my modlist ill send you one when im able

a picture that is

[hearty field]

yes yes, I understand about you not having these, I really wanted to know which ones you use, the funniest thing is that yesterday with this same mod list I was playing normally, then today these last 3 customization lines appeared and it looked like this

[grand dust]

currrently testing some things

[hearty field]

I understand, I really don't know which strip, apparently all of them were working yesterday, sad

That's crazy, I removed all the mods but the problem continues

[grand dust]

all the mods ?

did you unsub and resub to the main agot mod @hearty field

[hearty field]

No, I just disabled them all and left only the main one

[grand dust]

unsubh and resub to the main mod

that's no doubt it becasue they updated the dragon customization menu

[hearty field]

hum I will test

[hearty field]

How do I know what order to put the mods in? I always had this question in which order to put the mods and if that influences

[grand dust]

i dont know i just read what the modders themselvs say

@narrow wave i think there's incompatibilty with the " suggest bonding " mod.
i can only replicate this issue in valyria itself. every child has a minus 1000 percent to taming even tho access is for everyone and no one has ever tried to bond with a dragon

[leaden ermine]

I'm still having the dragonkeeper issue even after creating a new game 3 times

[grand dust]

this is a dragon in dragonstone as opposed to the ones in valyria

[grand dust]

unsub and resub ?

[leaden ermine]

might be a good idea gimme a sec

[grand dust]

so in short, the " suggest dragon bond " mod doesnt work with the dragonpit in valyria

[grand dust]

does it work ?

[leaden ermine]

All of my paradox games have extremely long boot up loading times it's still loading.

[grand dust]

alr bro

[grand dust]

is it because of the pc specs or because you have way too many saves that you dont delete

[leaden ermine]

I don't have that many saves, and my specs are decent. Though it runs perfectly wants it actually loads

[leaden ermine]

Also it seems to have worked tysm

[grand dust]

[cerulean glade]

do you have those games on a SSD or HDD?

[grand dust]

was about to ask the same

[leaden ermine]

Ssd

[grand dust]

why is it so slow then ?

[cerulean glade]

how old is yor PC or your ssd?

[leaden ermine]

It's fairly old I think 3 years now

[cerulean glade]

and is your ssd your main drive?

[leaden ermine]

It is my main drive

[cerulean glade]

and last question do you install and uninstall many games from your SSD?

[grand dust]

@narrow wave also the patch for cow agot doesnt work

theres no holdings

[leaden ermine]

I only have ck3 installed rn tho sometimes I install hoi4

[grand dust]

are you sure its an ssd and not an hdd

[leaden ermine]

I don't have a secondary drive

And I'm pretty sure

[cerulean glade]

i think its because of the age of your pc and being the main drive

[hearty field]

Are you playing now? Can you start a new game and see if you can customize the dragons normally, because I've already done everything here and the problem continues @grand dust

[grand dust]

yep

[leaden ermine]

Is there a problem with dragon customization? It works perfect for me

[grand dust]

@hearty field

works fine

check this setting please

[hearty field]

I discovered the problem, as the mod was released yesterday the translation is breaking the customization

[grand dust]

I THINK I KNOW ! SWITCH THE LANGUAGE !

HAHA I WAS RIGHT !

le language

[hearty field]

hahaha yes

[grand dust]

[hearty field]

thanks for the help bro

[grand dust]

you're most welcome

[grand dust]

can you check if the cow agot patch makes your holdings disappear ?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3326493146&searchtext=cow+colonize+valyria'

[hearty field]

Yes, it always disappears for me

[grand dust]

so its not just on my end. good to know

[narrow wave]

That's weird, because when i was testing they were all there

[grand dust]

i tested with only these three mods and divine intrervention and toggle debug

[hearty field]

The owner of the mod posted a mod that solves this problem, I haven't tested it yet, but whenever I put the 2 together the city disappeared

[grand dust]

also theres some incompatibilities with suggest dragon bond mod

[grand dust]

followed the correct load order too

gonna test again

nope

gonna disable dicm

nope

mod doesnt work

also toggle debug wasnt active either it was only the four mods neccesary

[hearty field]

The buildings still don't appear, even with the compatibility mod @grand dust @narrow wave

the islands of conquest are also buggy

[narrow wave]

they are incompatible 😐

[narrow wave]

will check it out

[hearty field]

What the hell are the castamare mines doing there in Valyria?? WTK lol

[fluid saffron]

This is probably on the side of the dragon bond mod all things considered.

I will open it up in a bit and have a look at the interactions

[hearty field]

I'll take the mod off and see what happens

[grand dust]

I WAS RIGHT, LETS GO
insert celebration here

[hearty field]

yes kkk

[grand dust]

Thanks.
The mod author told me the children are unable to interact with the dragons which is why it's happened

@fluid saffron
This only happens in the valyrian dargonpit

[narrow wave]

you propably have some other submods]

or dont have right mod load order

because im sure compatch fixed this issue

[grand dust]

Off topic, do you have any plans on polishing the terrain ? That green is kinda nasty to look at

[fluid saffron]

Yeah, this is right

so the Valyria dragonpit is handled like the Dragonmount

But the suggest bond mod checks for generic dragonpits or the title for dragonstone.

    icon = icon_scheme_dragon
    desc = visit_dragonpit_with_child_interaction_desc
    category = interaction_category_friendly
    common_interaction = yes
    interface_priority = 75
    ignores_pending_interaction_block = yes
    auto_accept = yes
    cooldown = { years = 1 }
    cooldown_against_recipient = { years = 2 }
    is_shown = {
        scope:actor = {
            is_adult = yes
            is_ai = no
            OR = {
                agot_has_an_active_dragonpit = yes
                AND = {
                    title:c_dragonstone = { has_variable = has_dragonkeeper_order }
                    title:c_dragonstone.holder = {
                        house ?= scope:actor.house
                    }
                }
            }
        }```

This is the bit that is missing what it needs.

[grand dust]

Can you make a patch for it ?

[fluid saffron]

Yeah, I think really the writer of suggest dragon bond should instead be checking that any title has_dragonkeeper_order variable.

Rather than what he is doing here.

[narrow wave]

Thats how Wynegarde looks and the provinces are in valyria

idk why you guys have problems with the compatch

also no castamere

[fluid saffron]

I will check the rest of the interactions and see there are others with this issue.

[fluid saffron]

Weren't they also running the Lannister Gold mod. Just seems likely to me that that might be the culprit.

[narrow wave]

Yeah propably

[grand dust]

Idk what to tell you man, it just doesn't work for us.
Maybe you published the wrong version or smth ?

[silent pike]

I’m finna boot up and see , been a couple days

[fluid saffron]

mmm so much spaghetti logic in ckiii mods...

[silent pike]

I usually have no mod conflicts when I run this mod so let’s see

[fluid saffron]

sigh

Half thw time I end up writing compatches for mods I care about where I replace most of the scrippted_effects and triggers just to have sane logic.

[hearty field]

Colonizable Valyria
COW3AGOT
Colonizable Valyria COW Compatch

my loading order is like this

[narrow wave]

😮 I think uploaded conquerors isles valyria not finished compatch instead of the other one 👏 👏

I'm the best

They look pretty similar to be fair

nvm it doesnt

😁

[fluid saffron]

ok what the frigging hell

[narrow wave]

Wrong mod uploaded 😁

[fluid saffron]

So the Suggest Dragon Bond mod includes a file to override every marriage interaction, but only seems to change a single interaction.

[hearty field]

the castamare issue isn't that bad for me, the worst thing is that the buildings don't appear

[fluid saffron]

Hello magic incompatability for god knows what...

[narrow wave]

It wont happen again (propably) after i upload it rn

[grand dust]

I CALLED IT. I SAID IT !

[narrow wave]

yes

👏 👏

[grand dust]

Ofc it has a different name.
It all makes sense

[narrow wave]

Exactly

now it could be the right one

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?edit=true&id=3326493146

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/aemond-targaryen-hotd-house-of-the-dragon-mashallah-gif-26931962

[hearty field]

The order is correct, I've already removed it and put the mod back in, I'll call it here, let's see if it works, faith! haha

Castamare is still here, but the buildings are now appearing! 😀

[narrow wave]

hmmm

it may be the issue with your other submods

[grand dust]

Yeah it probably is

[dreamy siren]

i really think peeps should be testing it without other intrusive submods before posting it as bugs lol

its almost always a submod issue

[narrow wave]

exactly

[fluid saffron]

Castamere I really think is a bug from Lannister gold.

So much bad code...

Fixing the Dragon Bond submod, he is doing soo many extra checks.

At one point, he checks for the dragon pit 4 different times, rather than checking for the dragonpit and then checking conditions and splitting from there. Instead he does four top level checks for the dragonpit.

[grand dust]

[grand dust]

Appreciate you taking the time

[fluid saffron]

I am half incliined to rewrite his checks, include some scrippted trigggers to make the code easy to configure and be done with it.

[grand dust]

I have no idea what you mean since coding is alien to me. So, YOU DO YOU MAN !

[fluid saffron]

Just going to test though if just including c_ilvonys in the spaghetti code works for now...

So back in CKII days when you were working on a mod like Gehimisnacht, you had to be very careful in your coding because the game was unstable, and that mod pushed the limits of what could be done.

[grand dust]

Speaking of, when is it coming for ck 3 ?

[fluid saffron]

I have nothing to do with it.

I got distracted with teaching theology and philosophy at the University of Durham and stepped back from modding.

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-super-smart-not-dumbt-all-spongebob-worship-gif-15742321

He smort

Not like us

We stoopid

[rigid radish]

Just gotta ask, should i start my playthrough or should i wait another day if the mod is coming out in a day or two 👀

[narrow wave]

It's definitely not

[grand dust]

You're probably aiming for roads to power right ?

[narrow wave]

maybe before

i will take a brake and wait for agot core

by then

[rigid radish]

I assume it's the same with Essos Expansion 👀

[narrow wave]

i don't really know their deadlines

but i think so

[grand dust]

Actually I really like this idea.
Release an update before RtP and when agot updates to RtP you update your mod with some flavor to it

[rigid radish]

Would just suck if i start a new game today to then start it all over again let's say tomorrow ya know 😅

[fluid saffron]

I would hope someone in AGOT core has already done most of the pre-patch work

[grand dust]

How's your patch doing ?

[fluid saffron]

Haven't test it yet about it.

[grand dust]

[fluid saffron]

It will be a drag drop replacement for the child interaction

Won't hurt games in progress

I have done the logic, and even some dirty code, but man I don't want to let anyone see the code it is so dirty...

[grand dust]

Maybe give some tips to the mod author

[zinc whale]

Hey, I'm the Suggest Dragon Bond submod author, this isn't my interaction. It's the one they just added in the base mod. I'll try to see what's up with the compatibility issue

[grand dust]

I hope I didn't start a beef or smth

[zinc whale]

No beef haha

[grand dust]

Oh okay good

[rigid radish]

Could you imagne, biggest beef on Agot discord server, started by you

[zinc whale]

My interaction doesn't check for dragonpits at all, it checks if the recipient can start a bond scheme with the selected dragon

Think it might just be a misunderstanding ^^

[grand dust]

That would be an achievement

[rigid radish]

Sure but not one that's shown on steam 😅

[grand dust]

Good one

[zinc whale]

I am curious which code @fluid saffron is talking about though, and how they added a check for a specific dragonpit

Very much new to modding so happy to learn

[rigid radish]

I'm a mod tester who wish to learn how to mod 😅

Like, how do you even get started 👀

[narrow wave]

tutorials

on youtube

and game folder structure first

[grand dust]

Can you link him some ?

[narrow wave]

look how the base game or agot core folders look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu_Zxf4ul2g
MrSamuelStreamer has a cool tutorial series

however they might not be relevant to new versions

also reverse engineering is the key

[rigid radish]

👀

[narrow wave]

look at the files

i recommend to download visual studio code as a tool

[grand dust]

Oh yeah him

[rigid radish]

I assume a lot of copy pasting

[narrow wave]

there is a plugin for paradoxian language

[rigid radish]

I'll save these things to my own discord with important info 😅

[grand dust]

Corrently watching this

Maybe ill figure something out

[narrow wave]

Also beware that modding is extremely time consuming

[grand dust]

Time isn't a problem for me

[rigid radish]

I'll assume so 😅 if i was to make anything, it would most likely be for myself 😅

Like an island out in the middle of nowhere for me, myself and i.

[narrow wave]

well thats how i started

good luck 👍

[rigid radish]

For now, i'm just watching and learning here and there but who knows

Always had the biggest respect for modders and game devs because it's creation out of sometimes thin air. I remember back when i was game tester for Ubisoft's Valhalla and got to try out some things there. completely thrown back in wonder of how they were able to make it 👐

[grand dust]

I was never quite able to finish that game

[narrow wave]

yeah me too

I really enjoyed it but odyssey is the most memorable for me

[rigid radish]

The game itself could have been better but graphics and overall how they designed it all was on a new level

[narrow wave]

I was schocked when they added Vinland

and the island

[grand dust]

Loved the story

[narrow wave]

It was pretty cool that they added completely new map for free

[rigid radish]

I remember they kept telling me "this isn't the finish product, there will be more and this is only the beginning" but it was more or less the finished product at that time 😅

Like "this is just a small version of the boat you'll use, the one we're going to put in the game is 5 times bigger then the one you see right now" naaaah man, it was the same small boat..

[grand dust]

raiding monasteries was fun af

That reminds me

[fluid saffron]

Ah, hey, so I have fxed the interaction. so the issue is that the Valyria dragonpit is a title based dragon pit. So it needs a check for the title.

To be honest the underlying interaction is very heavy in repitition. What they should have done is checked for any title with the dragon_keepers_order variable.

[grand dust]

My boat once got stuck on the ground. Got a picture in my pc I'll post it here tomorrow

[rigid radish]

Yea that was a typical bug from before the game came out

[grand dust]

If that's the case new dragonpits will require new code lines

[grand dust]

Nah that happened to me a year ago

[fluid saffron]

Yes, that is why I said they should have coded it differently.

[grand dust]

So that it isnt depended on titles

[fluid saffron]

tbh, even the bugfix yesterday for the dragonkeepers order shows that the underlying code is a bit repititive.

[rigid radish]

First game i got to be a game tester for was Shadow of War ( Assassin's creed lord of the rings cover ) and the amount of bugs and overall things wrong with that game in the beginning and how it ended 🙏

[fluid saffron]

If you have a dragonpit, then you necessarily have a provine with the variable dragonkeeper_order set.

So you can just check for a title with the dragon keeper variable, and boom

you don't need to check for any particular title.

[narrow wave]

Awesome game

[rigid radish]

What i mean is yes, that was a typical bug that also happened before the game came out all the time and after and they still haven't taken the time to fix it despite people reporting it 😅

[zinc whale]

Are you confusing my submod interaction with the visit dragonpit interaction?

[grand dust]

Great game.

[fluid saffron]

So I fixed an issue with the dragonpit interactions for this mod yesterday.

[rigid radish]

I also remember my first bug i ever found, still got it on my phone 😅 it was one of the orcs with a hoodie with a normal human ear showing under the hood 😅

[fluid saffron]

Your submod interaction, the one to suggest the bond to children checks for either provinces with the dragon pit building, or for the county title of dragonstone.

[zinc whale]

No that isnt my code

[grand dust]

I hate how talion died in the end

[narrow wave]

I still got to defend my forts

[fluid saffron]

Oh, is that the AGOT team's?

[zinc whale]

yes

[fluid saffron]

Ah ok,

[zinc whale]

Mine doesn't check for dragonpits at all, only if the recipient can use the bond with dragon scheme on the dragon

[fluid saffron]

So the other thing I noticed, you have included the entire marriage interactions file in your mod?

[rigid radish]

Yes.

[grand dust]

Sadg in the heart.
That elven woman sucks

[zinc whale]

Yes, I fixed the elope interaction being allowed if the character is in a bond with dragon scheme

[fluid saffron]

Yeah, I was going to suggest maybe only have that interaction in its own file

[zinc whale]

They fixed all of the other personal schemes, just not that one

[fluid saffron]

that way it doesn't conflict with any other mod.

So, one of the things about interactions, you can overwrite them by just using the same name

[zinc whale]

Fair, I'll do that

[fluid saffron]

and having it loaded lower in the load order.

I think if I am honest, the AGOT team need to do a simple any_active_dragon_pit scripted trigger and be done with it.

[zinc whale]

Already submitted a bug report, so I hope they fix it in the base mod

[fluid saffron]

They keep doing very circular triggers.

In the on_actions when a building was complete, they were checking three times for a dragonpit building higher than tier 1, or the Drgonstone title.

And they were checking it with both a check in the on_action and a scripted trigger.

So it was doing the same check twice.

in the same code functionality.

[zinc whale]

Aha, I'm still very new to this and luckily I didn't have to touch any of that but it did seem a bit much

[warm pike]

Your lauguage

[rigid radish]

they wanted you to continue as the elven dude instead to begin with but i remember me and the others from the testing group kept saying it wouldn't make sense if he also merged with Sauron. then they talked about having you play as the drawen guy and that sounded pretty dope but they ended up picking the elven girl :c

[narrow wave]

me too

Like Melkor, i just edited it a bit

[grand dust]

We already figured it out

[zinc whale]

The issue between the submods here seems to be that the recipient in my interaction is not able to start a bond with dragon scheme with a dragon in the valyrian dragonpits

that is the check that is failing

[fluid saffron]

Here is a very dirty fix

[zinc whale]

Much to learn, always fun though

[fluid saffron]

This fix will only work for the Valyria mod as I was wanting the children interaction again.

[grand dust]

Where are we putting this ?

[fluid saffron]

Just in a chracter_interaction

[warm pike]

Did you fix the problem ?

[grand dust]

Yep
It was indeed the language

[fluid saffron]

What they should probably be doing is just checking if any_title has the dragonkeeper variable.

And then do a check based on everything else.

[grand dust]

Of which mod ? This or suggest bond ?

[warm pike]

Do you know where the localization folder is ?

[grand dust]

Not off the top of my head

[fluid saffron]

It doesn't matter so long as it comes below this mod.

[zinc whale]

@grand dust this fix is for the visit dragonpit interaction I think

the one in the base mod

[grand dust]

Maybe make this a submod ?

Like some compatch ?

[fluid saffron]

tbh, it could probably go in this mod maki, or at least until I rewrite it to be more expandable.

[rigid radish]

All these mod fixes and we're not even gotten to the second island you're doing a good job tho guys 💪

[grand dust]

[fluid saffron]

I am just a grumpy old onto-theologian, retired game dev, retired modder who got annoyed about not being able to have dragon keepers in Valyria.

[grand dust]

I made you go through all that mess

[silent pike]

For the love of god help these guys out , we need Valyria out here

Jk

[fluid saffron]

I am almost annoyed enough to be trying to submit patches to the base mod...

[grand dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-lawd-my-precious-gif-13073178

[rigid radish]

Why don't you come out of being retired and help Maksi with the codeing stuff and then he can focus on the islands and placement and so on? 👀 i got no actual idea what it takes to make any of this but it overall sounds like a good idea if you worked together throughout this mod 👀

[grand dust]

@fluid saffron to be clear, we put the file you sent in the base game agot folder ?