You had to be able to plan your city ahead of time to optimize serf's pathing and ensure enough food was made to sustain your city and troops
#off-topic
void dagger
peak folio
Revenge of the 5ith
https://fixupx.com/shyug_tawars/status/2051643985773662304
sick flame
solid sun
Still not sure why they’re using this license for it.
otherwise it would have no redeeming merits over Monster Hunter.
worldly ivy
https://fixupx.com/playhorizonhg/status/2051633471089512449
What game series is this?
The fucking metal animals open world game?
I half thought it was Meta Horizons for a moment
solid sun
Horizon Zero Dawn IP, but instead of that protagonist they made fat in the 2nd game for some reason, you play as other fat people instead, at least from the promotion material I remember seeing.
humble parrot
https://fixupx.com/Pirat_Nation/status/2051512211382661626
"My entire unity game project was deleted by Unity AI, years of dev work lost."
maiden narwhal
https://fixupx.com/playhorizonhg/status/2051633471089512449
Axe/staff thing that hits hard and summons turrets…. I want it. I need it
humble parrot
"We have no option but to cancel the game"
worldly ivy
If I wanted to play a game where I hit giant monsters with an oversized sword I’d just play Monster Hunter
sick flame
maiden narwhal
What a twist. If that’s how you felt about it, why ask about the game? 
solid sun
don't forget the Rival series, God Eater.
peak folio
otherwise it would have no redeeming merits over Monster Hunter.
The genre hasn’t been explored all that much. Monster Hunter proper is very hard yo get into, yet the crowd wasn’t very nice to Dauntless…
solid sun
or those Demon themed games, I always forget the name of, something with T, tokiden or something.
solid sun
The genre hasn’t been explored all that much. Monster Hunter proper is very hard...
dauntless went into something, not monster hunter like.
peak folio
What game series is this?
The fucking metal animals open world game?
It’s Horizon but it looks and appears to play completely differently.
solid sun
it had major monetization things very early into the beta playtests already, which was just silly.
peak folio
Hmm..
peak folio
Zero Dawn or Dauntless?
solid sun
dauntless
peak folio
Was asking Catt
worldly ivy
Dauntless
peak folio
Gotcha
solid sun
see, dauntless
peak folio
Guess they didn’t pull it off
solid sun
Demon Monster Hunter, with spiced up mechanics.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/551730/Toukiden_2/
Anime Monster Hunter, in a post apocalyptic world, shares the same universe as Code Vein, this game came before CV
https://store.steampowered.com/app/438490/GOD_EATER_2_Rage_Burst/
worldly ivy
Wait, Code Vein and God Eater share a continuity?
solid sun
then there's that other game, that literally copied one boss monster move from Monster Hunter World straight up, the one with the wood constructions and stuff, that had huge issues running smooth on launch.
I ignored it on steam so I can't really find it right now.
bitter agate
Learned a new trick to instantly spot an AI generated email: double hyphen. It's a programmer syntax thing. Not something a non-robot would type...
peak folio
=
vague sky
Me who uses double hyphens in formal writing
solid sun
I got my warcraft 3 cd-case gonna try that forum method you once posted to install the game again.
teal iron
Learned a new trick to instantly spot an AI generated email: double hyphen. It's...
Humans use those what
bitter agate
Thanks for letting me know who's the bots. 😉
teal iron
Thanks for letting me know who's the bots. 😉
You think the moon landing was fake so it makes sense you consistently underestimate human ingenuity
open scaffold
https://x.com/valvesoftware/status/2051695149026353424
When controllers cost as much as a keyboard and mouse might as well buy a keyboard and mouse even for a console
Keyboard and mouse is objectively better for most games
I don’t get spending 90 potentially 100+ plus dollars on a controller
peak folio
I don’t get spending 90 potentially 100+ plus dollars on a controller
How about $250?
https://x.com/nintendeal/status/2051388473752666126
X
Sold listings
hexed sentinel
How about $250?
https://x.com/nintendeal/status/2051388473752666126
Do Palworld demo decks next.
devout quiver
sadly this is one of the few things that makes me wish for biometrics on electronics.
to stop the damn scalpers
teal iron
sadly this is one of the few things that makes me wish for biometrics on electro...
what would biometrics do
devout quiver
lock it to a person
teal iron
Make the product more expensive to manufacture??
teal iron
lock it to a person
This is the worst idea you could ever have
devout quiver
nah
im not in the whitehouse
hearty sonnet
Lol wut
teal iron
How would locking the controller do anything but inconvenience people who don't live alone in a basement
Like scalpers could just ...not register the device before selling
devout quiver
well the other option would be to regulate
teal iron
They aren't gonna use it anyway
teal iron
well the other option would be to regulate
That sounds like a better idea
Literally why do we have a government if not to regulate blatantly abusive behavior like scalping
devout quiver
to take credit for work they are not doing
teal iron
to take credit for work they are not doing
Ok I asked in the actual intended purpose not the cynical nihilistic defeatist purpose
barren sierra
To be fair some countries have made scalping illegal
teal iron
Where every bad thing is already done and cannot be fixed and everything is pointless and cruel
peak folio
Do Palworld demo decks next.
Demo decks are probably worth a fortune already.
teal iron
Government is a formalization of the group social structure's impulse to punish and discourage behavior that actively harms the group
Therefore it is in the founding ideals of government to execute that impulse wherever such behavior may exist
open scaffold
You can’t make scalping illegal at least in America because scalping is just buying a bunch of something and selling it at a higher price point which is what a ton of stores here do
teal iron
When such behavior is not discouraged sufficiently by social pressure, it is the responsibility of government to intervene
And any government that does not do so is essentially a failure
devout quiver
You can’t make scalping illegal at least in America because scalping is just buy...
provided you have a company to do said trading through instead of private
teal iron
And any government that does not do so is essentially a failure
Incidentally most modern governments are catastrophic failures
devout quiver
these companies are the ''middle hands'' which are just as obnoxious as middle managament XD
open scaffold
When such behavior is not discouraged sufficiently by social pressure, it is the...
Not the governments job to intervene with scalping
it’s the job of the business selling whatever they are selling
devout quiver
recently here we passed a law to limit the layers of contracting in the construction industry.
they felt it was kinda needed when they discovered it was not uncommon that a job on a construction site could be contracted onwards through 56 companies before there actually was a worker on site to do the job
open scaffold
Thats bureaucracy
devout quiver
ergo the builder was paying for 55 pricehikes that they should not have had to pay for
and in the end the job was done by someone who was underpaid
each step a bit of money trickled into the hands of someone who does nothing
open scaffold
that’s how it is
open scaffold
Someone is alyways going to be making money off of your work without doing anything
And anyway that wasent scalping thats just corruption and companies making builders jump through hoops
devout quiver
now if you win the contract you can only subcontract it once in case you are unable to meet the demand due to unforeseen circumstances
well it trickles into scalping because for everyone who buys a thing to sell it before it reaches the end consumer
well
it is what i just described
open scaffold
That’s not scalping
that’s economics
Your country had bad economics
If I have something and sell it to you i made a profit
If you want to sell it to someone else you have to sell it for more then you bought it to make your money back and a profit
hearty sonnet
Always be hustlin
devout quiver
and that is the step that they aim to rip out
peak folio
solid sun
nah
im not in the whitehouse
not yet.
devout quiver
if i ever seated in the whitehouse
i will paint it Lime green and put pink polka dots on it
and then i will leave the chair
hearty sonnet
I see a whitehouse and I want it painted black
peak folio
Nighthouse
hearty sonnet
Obama will be like "Oh hell yeah dawg sign me back up"
barren sierra
As someone that has lived inside black walls, the heat is overwhelming
hearty sonnet
Yeah haha
My van is black & it gets really hot
And then these little red plant buds fall from the many trees in my yard & stick to the paint
barren sierra
did you paint the van with tar
peak folio
If you don’t have a fresh coat of wax those will stick really bad.
hearty sonnet
If you don’t have a fresh coat of wax those will stick really bad.
Buddy!
They do!!!
They suck!!!
And they leave little colored spots
peak folio
hearty sonnet
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
I hope this place floods
And explodes
peak folio
That can only happen to places that exist.
teal iron
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
The nefarious expiration date:
barren sierra
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
Such people need to be financially investigated
jaunty temple
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
Woe, Potheads & Homeless Squatters upon the Nintendrone.
hexed sentinel
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
This is AI, right? Right?
mental summit
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
Don’t pop tarts expire?
maiden narwhal
Consistent, readable text. I doubt it’s ai, but either way… that’s an alarming amount of pop tarts in one location
peak folio
This is AI, right? Right?
I’d hope so, but this one is really good. Hard to tell from my phone anyway.
jaunty kraken
https://x.com/i/status/2051298904205881496
@wheat widget @ionic tangle @drifting fjord @novel sun @odd mesa
X
peak folio
There’s the thing next to the pillar out in the open in the background that kind of stops before the floor, but idk
barren sierra
This is AI, right? Right?
to be fair poke scalpers make this believable even if its AI
considering they take cardboard display stands from stores
wheat widget
https://x.com/i/status/2051298904205881496
<@220630409367650316> <@1771202568321...
cute
glad needle
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
Total Scalper Death
glad needle
to be fair poke scalpers make this believable even if its AI
They straight up murdered a girl in Chile for her cards
peak folio
-# ||Scalpers don’t buy & hold||
wheat widget
This is AI, right? Right?
its most definitely AI. I work in a grocery store and let me tell you aligning products in a shelf to essentially create a perfectly flat wall, is VERY time consuming and tedious. nobody in their right mind would willingly go through so much effort, especially with shelves so tall, and when the space between product and upper shelf level is so tight you can barely squeeze your hand through to re-align things if you accidentally pushed it on the side or whatever. anyways point is this image is 100% ai
not to mention that the size of the packaging stretches and morphes from shelf ot shelf lol
teal iron
One of the lights splits into two somehow
I tried looking at the text but I think they intentionally blurred it or really hammered the machine to produce legible text
4 additional gigawatthours of electricity, for the meme.
Speaking of electricity!!!
According to a report, clean energy growth accounted for over 100% of all global energy demand growth for 2025
So every new TWhr of energy consumed in 2025 was met by another TWhr of clean energy, and actually pushed fossil fuel energy into a negative/flat growth for 2025
increase in Solar and Wind alone accounted for 98% of increases in demand
cobalt briar
https://fixvx.com/barkmeta/status/2051712401817374940
I've never witnessed a 'red flag' about something pop-tart related that had nothing to do with consuming pop-tarts
until today
teal iron
by 2040/2050, we will just have so much clean energy that we can really just let the techbros waste as much as they want on stupid AI images without any considerable environmental impact
humble parrot
First subscription fries, now no soda
night plume
I don't like that....
The people at the McDonald's near me don't know how to not fill a cup with ice....
peak folio
Subscription fries is fake
night plume
Seriously, ask for a drink with no ice to be told, "I don't know how."
humble parrot
Yeah, they going to overfill it with ice, so you get 2 gulps of soda and a lot of ice to chew on I guess
night plume
The drink machine does it automatically. They put the drink on a holder and it rails over to the ice thing and fills with ice, then it rails to the drink dispenser and the employee has to press the button....
I don't understand what is hard about, "place cup under drink dispenser, press button."
maiden narwhal
Gonna blow folks minds when they find out that stores sell soda in bottles with no ice
night plume
maiden narwhal
At least keep the self serve machine available for ice and water… that probably won’t happen tho
peak folio
Seriously, ask for a drink with no ice to be told, "I don't know how."
Even the kiosks let you order with no ice 🗿
night plume
Even the kiosks let you order with no ice 🗿
McDonald's is the only place I've ever had a manager called on me
Twice
night plume
Other things
peak folio
Their soda conveyor can definitely do no ice
night plume
The ice they just apologize and stare at me blankly.
peak folio
And drool, probably
teal iron
https://fixvx.com/culturecrave/status/2051738454917337584
They saw the one video of the guy filling a cup with every single beverage
peak folio
They saw the one video of the guy filling a cup with every single beverage
That really doesn’t make a difference. The water costs more than the mix.
teal iron
That really doesn’t make a difference. The water costs more than the mix.
I was making a joke kyran
peak folio
But people stealing with their own containers are a problem
night plume
Employees have called a manager on me for:
1- I said no mustard on my burger, they put mustard, employee called manager tk have them explain I could wipe it off. So, I told the manager I was allergic.
2- I asked for combo meals and employee ranf every item up separately, over charging me. I asked her to fix my ticket and she told me I was stupid, it adds up the same and got the manager on me. Manager stared at her terrified and asked, "please tell me you haven't been doing that for all 3 days you have been here...?"
teal iron
smh
lmao
"please tell me you have not being doing that for all 3 days"
"I have done nothing but ring up combo items separately for 3 days"
"WHERE"
maiden narwhal
Fired, instantly. How someone could screw up that easily
night plume
That was what she said and she went to explain to him, the manager, it is the same price and I, customer, did not know what I was talking about.
Manager fixed it and she had a talking to.
peak folio
That’s a big yikes
night plume
Never saw her again, but I don't go often
And this was an older woman, about 40s, not some kid in school.
peak folio
Somebody that thick is definitely a liability.
hearty sonnet
Thick af boiii
teal iron
But people stealing with their own containers are a problem
This goes back to the "we need a better society" conversation
teal iron
maybe if being alive wasn't so outrageously expensive that stealing soda from mcdonald's was a worthwhile use of time, people wouldn't do it
peak folio
This goes back to the "we need a better society" conversation
Rapidly transitioning to an ever increasingly low trust society is pretty alarming, yes.
Like toiletries behind glass
teal iron
People don't accept their financial situation, they adapt
and they adapt by stealing because what else are they gonna do, conjure the soda with their mind
they certainly won't conjure their 2 gorillion dollar rent with their mind, so the options are pretty limited
peak folio
Nobody needs soda
teal iron
yeah but they want soda
peak folio
soda is an anti need if anything
teal iron
living only on your needs is a miserable existence that a fair number of people would quite rightfully prefer death
They need to be happy and soda makes them happy
The fact that the wealthy live without any consequences also erodes the underlying belief that consequences exist, thus making stealing literally seem like free stuff as opposed to an objectively terrible idea
and at a certain point society doesn't even recognize soda as worth protecting, but the business wants their bottom line so they adapt to the situation by removing access to soda
winged lantern
random question do we have a release time specified for 1.0?
humble parrot
2026
teal iron
random question do we have a release time specified for 1.0?
Tomorrow 💥
humble parrot
We don't
winged lantern
thank you
maiden narwhal
that was the last i heard, didnt know if we had something specific
Specifics will be in #announcements ||if you don’t see anything new, then there isn’t anything new for anyone to know about||
glad needle
living only on your needs is a miserable existence that a fair number of people ...
Spicy food and lots of meat and beer makes me happy
deep idol
"Weren't these guys supposed to be providing security? Now it seems they need need it themselves!"
solid sun
if i ever seated in the whitehouse
i will paint it Lime green and put pink polka...
there's probably a law against that.
solid sun
People don't accept their financial situation, they adapt
rich people adapting their financials to the tax-free countries.
mental summit
there's probably a law against that.
First of all, with all the renovations currently happening with no resistance, unlikely
Second of all, we’ve already made it clear presidents are exempt from the law: even if it were illegal, who’s going to stop him? He’s the president
hearty sonnet
Spicy food and lots of meat and beer makes me happy
Omg me too
peak folio
Many presidents have had renovations done on the white house.
I’m not sure about the paint, though.
glad needle
Many presidents have had renovations done on the white house.
Most presidents and some first ladies
jaunty temple
https://fixvx.com/culturecrave/status/2051738454917337584
Changing consumer habits.
peak folio
vxTwitter / fixvx
high pier
New here how do I play with people 26M
teal iron
26M?
humble parrot
26 years old, male.
worldly ivy
This isn’t Reddit, you don’t have to do that
maiden narwhal
2026 reviving “asl” in chat
teal iron
Ooooh reddit speak
maiden narwhal
Yahoo chatroom speak
hearty sonnet
Lamoneropsis schlegelateriob
cobalt briar
finally something I can understand
deep idol
Inck nah tuhal nonc tezen nink iinarnk! Dazag guul!
peak folio
sick flame
copper inlet
https://fixupx.com/rreathen/status/2051820569511841903
That's cool
copper inlet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HHlhM0CXEAIl6qv.jpg:large
It looks like they just cracked a good joke and are laughing.
silver pewter
I realized how spoiled kids are these days, when people online complained about the Switch 2 version of FF7 not having bread and tea on a table. Bruh... Game Boy Advance ports of games would be literal completely different games from the console versions of the same name. 😭
cobalt briar
I realized how spoiled kids are these days, when people online complained about ...
is this about Rebirth?
maiden narwhal
The ports or remasters are a different story, but yeah… some assets missing or not fully loading in the switch 2 version of those games isn’t that surprising
mental summit
“But the switch 2 is supposed to be stronger than a PS5!”
novel sun
Was that claim actually made?
mental summit
Idk I thought I heard it being talked about by Nintendo fans before switch 2 released, no idea if it’s true or not, I don’t got one (and with the kidney I’d have to sell I don’t want one either)
silver pewter
The ports or remasters are a different story, but yeah… some assets missing or n...
The thing is, they were low poly even on PS5 to begin with. You can literally count the sides: ~20 sides on the bread plate, barely 10 sides on the Tea Saucer, instead of them being round.
maiden narwhal
I’m too familiar with Final Fantasy and low poly shenanigans, look no further than the whole grape thing that ultimately got replaced but really tho. Who’s looking at grape vines or bread on a table when there’s other things to focus on
silver pewter
Exactly, why complain about something that people were only going to look at for 3 seconds?
barren sierra
they need to sell the expansion kit like for the n64 that adds more ram
So the game can show more on the table
cobalt briar
people complaining about that is a little crazy, FF7 Rebirth performance on Switch 2 is pretty impressive considering that architecture is closer to a PS4-era machine
maiden narwhal
It’s no Steam Deck or any other Steam/mobile pc equivalent, but the Switch 2 got some oomph to it. But yeah, folks need to chillax on needing every little pixel to be graphically appealing
cobalt briar
actually the Switch 2 in most aspects is a little more powerful than the Steam Deck overall
novel sun
I could be wrong but I thought it actually ran Cyberpunk better than the Steam Deck
(Based on a video I saw, not personal experience)
cobalt briar
thing with steam deck is that since it’s a PC, you have way more flexibility with how to run your game since you can adjust things like resolution, frame rate, visual effects, etc
so you very well could run something like cyberpunk better on a steam deck than a switch 2, but maybe at overall lower visual quality for a better framerate
humble parrot
people complaining about that is a little crazy, FF7 Rebirth performance on Swit...
To be honest, that speaks more on the work done to port it than on the console itself
cobalt briar
To be honest, that speaks more on the work done to port it than on the console i...
Nintendo’s consistently been pretty behind in terms of hardware power since 2006
cobalt briar
that’s what I’m sayin
at the least their consoles are still typically the cheapest in the market, even if the Switch 2 itself seems overly priced
humble parrot
Everyone raised prices after they did
teal iron
It's almost like there was a common external trigger for that
cobalt briar
well their games and accessories are another story
everyone tried to raise their prices, but it failed
teal iron
AAA video games will cost $100 in 2028
And the market will completely crash...probably the year after
Because these dunderheads NEVER learn anything
cobalt briar
Xbox tried to put Outer Worlds 2 at $80 and the audience said “pffff”, so they magically dropped it back down to $70
teal iron
One single AAA video game will cost $100 in 2026
humble parrot
🤷
teal iron
It's unfair to say that AAA games will cost $100 in 2026 because several AAAs have released in the $50-$70 range
cobalt briar
back in the duh you could find entire GameCubes at rollback prices for less
humble parrot
Is it? If the price standard is set that year, wouldn't that make it?
teal iron
Ehhhh
cobalt briar
I mean there’s only one game that can get away with selling for $100
teal iron
Yeah that won't stop people from trying
teal iron
Ehhhh
i mean tears of the kingdom was supposed to set the standard at $70 but like you still see a lot of AAA for less than that
cobalt briar
No it won’t, but it’ll be interesting to see the flops come out
thing is $10-40 games are the new gold mine
teal iron
anyway
cobalt briar
they have to be good still, but those prices work for people
teal iron
I'm gonna go before I say something actually stupid
cobalt briar
alright, take it easy 
humble parrot
Bye Prima
devout quiver
I mean games are not complete until about 5 years after "release".
Why buy it on release?
solid sun
https://fixvx.com/asha_shar/status/2051746410660593933
Most consumers just want their xbox to remain next or around their pc, not move faster.
open scaffold
It's unfair to say that AAA games will cost $100 in 2026 because several AAAs ha...
The industry is scared to price games at 100 dollars companies want to triple aaa companies want nothing more than to charge more for their games but they don’t want to be the first to charge 100 dollars but once rockstar charges 100 dollars for gta 6 100 dollar triple aaa games are going to become a thing
The industry is waiting for someone to do it first like with 70 dollar games
sage topaz
The industry is waiting for someone to do it first like with 70 dollar games
That's absurd we have had games with hundreds of millions invested into them fail at 70 them charging 100 will lead to widespread collapse in the gaming market.
open scaffold
70 dollar games fail not because of the price tag but because they suck
if gta 6 is a solid game and costs 100 dollars people won’t mind paying it
Point is people are willing to pay more for a game if the game isint doo doo (I mean gamers spend 2 grand on pcs)
sage topaz
Most AAA games are slop very few AAA games that come out each year are good you are lucky if it's more than 5 games. Even then I hesitate to say that people would pay 100 for those games. So yea most games will fail worse than now since the expected revenue will go the second they start charging 100 for their games.
open scaffold
if the game is doo doo it will be a flop but if aaa companies can pump out games like gta 6 and read dead 2 level quality players will be willing to spend more
solid sun
the game industry today is not the same as it was until the release of the ps3 and xbox, I feel with that console generation Corporate game dev took over, most everything was standardised, Unreal Engine became a main stay for many, Proprietary software was mandatory.
No longer did we get games that were basically hacked together, and pushed to the limits, it was played safe, or fixed with online day 1 patches because devs could cheap out and do that now.
lament forge
Just popping in to say there isn't a fathomable world where I'd spend $100 on a game. That thing better clean my house and do my taxes if I'm spending that much on it.
I'm really hesitant on $30 and doubt even $50 could get me anymore.
Really concerned to see a genuine conversation about $100 games...
Is it just consoles? I've left behind consoles so maybe that's why this is new to me. Especially after TotK was $70 and, if I'm being honest, not as good as BotW.
(TotK just added complication to something that was vast, varied, and comprehensible. Building things is cool but not worth the loss of the versatile simplicity BotW has. Underground is the best addition.)
unborn mauve
doesn't mean you need to post weird shit
solid sun
Is it just consoles? I've left behind consoles so maybe that's why this is new t...
most modern console I own is the Wii.
the other consoles just wanted you to go online for all features, and I just wanted to play games.
and kingdom hearts wasn't releasing on ps3, so there was no incentive to buy a new console for that series either.
devout quiver
doesn't mean you *need* to post weird shit
Nah i just needed a nerd to verify if something is asbestos or not
north thicket
Nah i just needed a nerd to verify if something is asbestos or not
i'm a nerd
devout quiver
So far it leans in the region of
"Yes"
Some idjit broke tiles out of a old fireplace and it has weird fibrelike prongs inside
north thicket
do you know which year the house was built in?
solid sun
Nah i just needed a nerd to verify if something is asbestos or not
taste test it.
north thicket
then it might be asbestos
devout quiver
I have fked off and a firm is coming out
unborn mauve
Nah i just needed a nerd to verify if something is asbestos or not
ah, naruhodo
well, you can actualy post image, just need to post it in like a bot DM, and copy the link
devout quiver
I aint there no more and since it did not allow me to snap a picture i got no image
north thicket
yeah just stay away from there for your own safety and health
barren sierra
me who has asbestos tiles on roof
All people that lived in this housing hit their 90s
https://youtu.be/wcfVQ0n9Xjo?is=FYfNTcm9SkFij8Sy also here is a game worth 100 
peak folio
But can you pet the dog?
north thicket
All people that lived in this housing hit their 90s
good for them
devout quiver
Asbestos is fine until you fk with it.
Like the idjit with a jackhammer did.
And yes they confirmed it is the sparkling death fibres
simple aurora
X
peak folio
I just saw that
Reminds me of another tweet where someone was claiming that Europe made it illegal to leave google reviews for businesses less than 4 stars. 
night plume
With how the UK is going, I could believe it was them :p
peak folio
EU isn’t far behind anyway…
silver pewter
I mean there’s only one game that can get away with selling for $100
Phantasy Star IV
barren sierra
6
silver pewter
#5 of course, I'm a native Floridian.
night plume
#1, I feel I'll have a lower risk of injury next to those two. Probably won't be able to eat much of my food though >.>
peak folio
No one wants #4 with Trex and spino always bickering over them
devout quiver
https://x.com/dinoincrisis/status/2051983841821421862
8
peak folio
What did the fox say
kindred sleet
What did the fox say
bitter agate
#5 of course, I'm a native Floridian. <:croajirokek:1288294816790347777>
Florida man...
maiden narwhal
News: Florida man and Florida gator locked in endless death roll mid flight, plane forced to land
bitter agate
You thought cocaine bear was scary... Wait until you see meth gators
sick flame
teal iron
https://fixupx.com/unity/status/2052012204048728208
What
sick flame
Unreal Engine now hated by about coming new lego game 🙃
peak folio
-# Hated by people who don’t know what engines actually do
sick flame
-# Hated by people who don’t know what engines actually do
Unfortunately, influencers play the PC expert
peak folio
Yeah, it’s actually a very serious problem.
Unity still has some living down to do since the “charge per install” incident.
sick flame
Unity still has some living down to do since the “charge per install” incident.
I doubt it will work
sick flame
humble parrot
Saying all the magic words
Considering they were on death's door, they absolutely are
solid sun
Reminds me of another tweet where someone was claiming that Europe made it illeg...
I have heard a few stories, like from my friend, who went to a hairstylist, and had a terrible experience, left a bad review on it afterwards and then got their account reported and now they can't post anymore.
it's a farce, system protects bad people who deliver bad work, and you can't even leave a review, because it's bad mouthing, what a joke.
barren sierra
https://fixvx.com/dexerto/status/2052035432200691817
worldly gate
https://fixvx.com/dexerto/status/2052035432200691817
They're going to colorize his body, it's what he wanted.
peak folio
I have heard a few stories, like from my friend, who went to a hairstylist, and ...
Wow, that was exactly what the tweet said (though it was a restaurant).
bitter agate
I think I ate too many tacos for Cinco de Drinko last night...
solid sun
the stay at an asylum is an option.
bitter agate
We haven't had asylums in this country for like half a century
We just toss the crazies in with gen pop
bitter agate
But the prison system makes a profit off them... Thanks chroney-capitalism!
peak folio
I think I ate too many tacos for Cinco de Drinko last night...
Impossible, it fell on Taco Tuesday
bitter agate
Lol. I'm still belching up tacos 13+ hours later... I think I over did it
peak folio
Tacos are more often than not quite small
bitter agate
That sounds unamerican.
solid sun
what's that red stuff
novel sun
That's just a salad in a misshaped bread bowl
solid sun
I prefer the white meat, I also enjoy digging into the pink one.
bitter agate
That sounds all kinda inapprops
teal iron
$900 for two pieces of colored cardboard
bitter agate
Remind me to stop by target on my way home...
glad needle
I have a great idea to handle these scalpers, but Target will never do it
novel sun
Do they really just pick up the displays and walk out carrying cardboard in front of everyone?
bitter agate
Who is going to stop me?
novel sun
Clearly not self-respect
teal iron
I have a great idea to handle these scalpers, but Target will never do it
does it involve violence 
glad needle
does it involve violence <:0MG_Concern:1323456818428510270>
Not necessarily, just more security and actual consequences if youre caught scalping
bitter agate
What if it is just target employees selling the extra cardboard that they didn't need?
rustic basin
skelpers ruin pokemon for everyone
bitter agate
But $900 is still $900
peak folio
Wouldn’t it be nice to just be able to walk into a target and buy some crappy pop tarts with Pikachu printed on the box?
glad needle
1st: lock all commonly scalped items behind plexiglass
2nd: Enforce strict buy limits on commonly scalped items
3rd: ID and permanently ban anyone caught scalping
4th: encourage employees to open carry because these freaks will do literally anything to milk profit out of people’s beloved hobbies
peak folio
They’ll just scalp the plexiglass
glad needle
5th: Regularly check underneath your vehicles for tracking devices
teal iron
1st: lock all commonly scalped items behind plexiglass
2nd: Enforce strict buy l...
IT DOES INVOLVE VIOLENCE
glad needle
6th: make a wall of shame for any scalpers you’ve caught and banned, per step 3
teal iron
Also you do realize that from the store's perspective "Buying a bunch of cards because you like them" and "buying a bunch of cards to scalp" are the same exact thing
novel sun
They’ll just scalp the plexiglass
Now offering 5 square feet of plexiglass with a Pokeball sticker in the corner! $200, price is firm 😇
peak folio
Now offering 5 square feet of plexiglass with a Pokeball sticker in the corner! ...
“I know what I’ve got”
glad needle
Also you do realize that from the store's perspective "Buying a bunch of cards b...
Nobody wants to go to a store that tolerates scalpers
teal iron
for someone who hates pokemon so much you sure care a lot of scalping of pokemon cards
barren sierra
I have a great idea to handle these scalpers, but Target will never do it
Such props are endorsed, sometimes even given by the parent IP company, youd esentially just have to report this to nintendo or someone and they would get in trouble
glad needle
The first storefront that stands up to scalpers publicly will see the biggest business boom yet
teal iron
I don't think that's very true
glad needle
for someone who hates pokemon so much you sure care a lot of scalping of pokemon...
They’ve scalped more than Pokemon
These scalpers just came for Steam controllers as well
peak folio
It’s not uncommon for stores to take measures to discourage inventory from getting swept up like that.
They’d prefer if people who came to pick up the cards also be comfortable enough to shop around while they’re there.
glad needle
It’s not uncommon for stores to take measures to discourage inventory from getti...
The most I’ve seen them do is buy limits
peak folio
Yeah, which definitely helps at least.
But still, when everything is gone instantly it devalues the promotion immeasurably
glad needle
Assuming they can reliably enforce the rule against large violent mobs
peak folio
That’s more than just a scalper situation
But yeah, the long and short of it is the stores don’t enjoy it either
But they’re not gonna spend a fortune on security for one thing
glad needle
I wonder how long before they realize how profitable it would be to stand up and say no to scalpers in public
In the long term
barren sierra
Is it more profitable to have a few people buy your entire stock day 1 or across weeks
glad needle
Standing on principles is always more respectable
barren sierra
The way I see it, they benefit from scalpers as much as the creator of what ever is being scalped
If they wanted to be respectable they would lower food prices down BugRatStare
peak folio
I wonder how long before they realize how profitable it would be to stand up and...
Probably not very unless Nintendo substantially increases supply
If there’s “enough” of a product then the scalpers can’t make any money, but that’s not going to happen with a TCG
glad needle
Oh, also step 7: call 911 for any large crowds outside your store before opening
Yes, that’s the horde
novel sun
I'm not sure the police are allowed to do anything about that unless the crowd is getting violent
peak folio
Usually there are police whenever stores have lines.
novel sun
To make sure it doesn't become violent, I figure. Not to prevent scalping
peak folio
They won’t arrest anybody without an incident ofc but they’ll generally be advised that there’s a gathering
glad needle
To make sure it doesn't become violent, I figure. Not to prevent scalping
These scalpers DO get violent, a lot
peak folio
Usually people are more worried about Black Friday
glad needle
These situations warrant police in full riot gear
bitter agate
Just walk out with the cardboard like you own the place ez pz
peak folio
Easy $900
glad needle
Maybe they should dig up unexploded ordinance, and then you pay their wages in Pokemon cards
bitter agate
It's all about confidence
Or sometimes you just need a clipboard and a high vis vest... No one will even question what you are doing
glad needle
You gotta make these scalpers afraid to even THINK of scalping ever again
teal iron
Ah now we're using terror tactics
bitter agate
Sounds cruel and unusual
teal iron
The escalation of violence from a man called "Protector" is rather rapid
bitter agate
He's over protecting though
teal iron
I guess
bitter agate
Above and beyond
teal iron
It is true
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
glad needle
They’re never gonna stop scalping anything that can be scalped until you do something extreme to stop them
bitter agate
My mom's good intentions... Silly boomer
bitter agate
They’re never gonna stop scalping anything that can be scalped until you do some...
Would you jail a man for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family?!
teal iron
Well scalpers rarely do it out of need
They're quite well off to afford to buy their stock
glad needle
Well scalpers rarely do it out of need
Do they EVER do it out of need?
bitter agate
Well I NEED $900 cuz it's $900
teal iron
But would such extreme measures be able to differentiate?
glad needle
Well I NEED $900 cuz it's $900
FYI, $500 is the threshold between petty and grand theft in most states
bitter agate
But cardboard is worthless
teal iron
I assure you those cutouts did not cost anybody $900
bitter agate
It's only worth $900 if I'm selling it
teal iron
that's just the made-up number weirdos are selling it for
glad needle
One of these scalpers did actually bring a gun to steal the Pokemon cards
teal iron
I hope one day you see the irony and the flaw in your ideas here
peak folio
They’re selling it for whatever people are willing to pay
peak folio
Someone was asking for $2k but don’t know if that sold…
barren sierra
A very small % actually profits
bitter agate
A fool and his money...
peak folio
Oh there’s plenty of profit
teal iron
I hope one day you see the irony and the flaw in your ideas here
Such violence and extremity, for so little good...
Do you not see that you are no better?
you would terrorize and intimidate and employ harmful violence against a small minority in order to ensure your own ideological victory, simply to prove that you are right
bitter agate
Hell yeah brother! 'Murikah!
teal iron
you say it's for a better world but does a better world really have so many human skulls, metaphorical or otherwise
bitter agate
It's just what humans do bro
novel sun
Statements like that just further Prima's desire to turn all humans into bees
glad needle
Statements like that just further Prima's desire to turn all humans into bees
Prima wants to do what?
teal iron
At some point you must realize that your ideals corrupt when enforced by power
near elk
Prima wants to do what?
To bee or not to bee
glad needle
Would it be a moral good to turn humans into eusocial insects?
peak folio
teal iron
At some point you must realize that your ideals corrupt when enforced by power
At some point people need to recognize that violence is not human nature, it's just man's idea of what life could be, if its only purpose was to destroy this poor world's surface
novel sun
Would you consider selfishness human nature?
teal iron
The gratification of "owning" the scalpers with your security and armed guards would be drowned in the blood spilled for such a pointless decapitation of the hydra of human greed and social corruption
glad needle
Fratricide is only one generation younger than humanity itself
Human nature IS that vicious and depraved
teal iron
Would you consider selfishness human nature?
No
hearty sonnet
We killin frat bros?
teal iron
Human nature IS that vicious and depraved
It is not
glad needle
Would you consider selfishness human nature?
Yes
barren sierra
Would you consider selfishness human nature?
Im going to the store to buy myself food, while im in excess calories and could live well of body fat alone for a few weeks. And not someone else in need, yes id call us selfish by default
teal iron
The world is a beautiful place, and the people on it, across all their cultures, are even more so
It is our nature to love, to share and to be kind, and to protect that which we hold dear
hearty sonnet
Oh boy
teal iron
Greed, gluttony, and all of that are not natural behaviors
glad needle
The world is a beautiful place, and the people on it, across all their cultures,...
Going to China or the Middle East would quickly prove you wrong
barren sierra
The world is a beautiful place, and the people on it, across all their cultures,...
keep your pineapple pizza culture away from me
teal iron
They are corruptions of our better nature, normalized by the wicked to justify their own existence
cobalt briar
people are complicated
glad needle
keep your pineapple pizza culture away from me
Knowing her, she’d rather put honey on pizza
teal iron
Going to China or the Middle East would quickly prove you wrong
China has an incredibly rich culture, as does the middle east
glad needle
Honey and flowering plants
teal iron
Many of the wonders of the modern world were invented there, as much as Europe and the Americas
peak folio
How to trigger #off-topic: Post Cardboard Charizard. ✍️
hearty sonnet
Or just wait a minute, it will happen naturally
peak folio
Or just wait a minute, it will happen naturally
Nah, there’s always a catalyst. 
teal iron
If you took a giant saw and cut europe, the middle east, and asia apart and used some kind of force field to keep them apart, they would ALL be much worse off for it
Europe would likely not have modern mathematics
-# Yeah I know you people probably hate math but deal with it
hearty sonnet
We cutting the middle east in half?
cobalt briar
We cutting the middle east in half?
first thing in the morning
teal iron
People are nice much, much, MUCH more often than they are mean
That's just a fact.
If it weren't, we would be extinct. Period.
hearty sonnet
Butterflies & rainbows
teal iron
We are flawed, we get scared by things we do not understand, we develop irrational hatred of those things because we cannot comprehend them, often because we are so disconnected from them, but to say that humans are violent and selfish by default is just a lie
peak folio
Instead of relying on the existing borders that no one is happy with, just put the force fields along arbitrary lines to separate the territories instead.
teal iron
There are selfish people out there, and they would LOVE for us to just accept their cruelty as "human nature" and I am of the opinion that we should stop tolerating it
hearty sonnet
Firestorm Wall activated
cobalt briar
Should mention that a lot of the most influential and powerful people in the world have a lot of impact on how we function as a society, and a lot of them aren’t the most altruistic out there
teal iron
We are flawed, we get scared by things we do not understand, we develop irration...
And it's normal to try to "fix" our fears by imposing power to make things work the way we like, the way we idealize
Like Overprotector's ideas for "fixing" scalping
barren sierra
Knowing her, she’d rather put honey on pizza
honey,nut, pears on pizza is a thing tho, often paired with ham
teal iron
But you must, for the sake of a better world, realize that this isn't the solution
Or at least, should be the LAST resort
novel sun
People are nice much, much, MUCH more often than they are mean
People also spend more time around those they like, so yeah it makes sense why being nice is more common. The question is how people usually react to people or things that get in the way of one's desires or preferences
(Btw I'm not joining either side of the argument with this, just pointing out the correlation of time spent)
teal iron
It's part of why I think the internet and social media is the greatest invention humanity has ever created
I mean aside from the fact that it's awesome I can just type "cat" and see pictures of cats
That's AWESOME and way better than sliced bread
Our fears, our prejudices, are based entirely on lack of understanding
hearty sonnet
Prima has over 133k posts in the server & more than half of them are paragraphs
teal iron
Going to China or the Middle East would quickly prove you wrong
This! This right here!
This proves Overprotector just hasn't really interacted with these places
Someone told him some nasty lies and he just believes them because they're on the opposite side of the planet and he has no way to verify it
barren sierra
Whats my count shell not including the "chat"
teal iron
And in 1950 the only way to get around this would be to buy expensive airplane tickets and fly out to those places
hearty sonnet
Whats my count shell not including the "chat"
125k
Damn, y'all never shut up hahaha
barren sierra
😎
humble parrot
Prima talks too much
barren sierra
I wasn't here a year and still over 100k
teal iron
So bad people could just take any exagerration they want and run with it and everyone would just believe that yes this part of the world is a faceless mob that wants to eat kittens or something
But now, with the internet, I can just talk to people, anywhere on earth
Instantly. The illusion of division is shattered
barren sierra
Prima talks too much
im in danger if i comment on this
teal iron
And because of that I see them as people, real actual people with real hopes and real dreams and not some faceless mob that thinks whatever the newsman tells me
novel sun
Shell can I know my count
hearty sonnet
I've been here for twice as long & have less posts, and I feel like I never shut up haha
teal iron
And through that understanding I can sympathize with them as people, I develop a genuine compassion and care about people I would've never known existed
novel sun
Probably not close to as high but I'm still curious
hearty sonnet
Shell can I know my count <:Chillet_hee:1243468918727639101>
Lol almost 2000
teal iron
and i think that's the most beautiful thing in the world
hearty sonnet
You can just search a name in the search bar & find out
novel sun
I tried that and it just told me 1,000+
teal iron
I'm pretty sure everoyne is just ignoring me (again) but I genuinely believe what I said
novel sun
Maybe that'll change by the thousands
teal iron
With the internet, the difference between the nightmare of today and a brighter tomorrow is just people being willing to open up to the wonder of that brighter tomorrow
humble parrot
What is Prima even rambling about
teal iron
Nothing anyone else cares about...
humble parrot
And with who
novel sun
Hope, unity, belief in a better humanity
bitter agate
Hippies
novel sun
Nothing anyone else cares about...
Dw your hopemaxxing was noticed
glad needle
What is Prima even rambling about
She’s asserting that human nature is amazing
teal iron
She’s asserting that human nature is amazing
IT IS
barren sierra
What is Prima even rambling about
Something she wouldn't if she experienced more than 1% Of the outside world
hearty sonnet
Something she wouldn't if she experienced more than 1% Of the outside world
For real tho
teal iron
We've just convinced ourselves it isn't
glad needle
Granted, she was right that I haven’t traveled much
teal iron
"Humans are greedy by default" is exactly why the greedy 1% get away with their sh-t
Because we internalize it was NORMAL to kick puppies and abuse children when it is expressly abnormal and bordering on INHUMAN
cobalt briar
I’m kinda switching between two things atm here so it’s hard for me to talk
glad needle
The furthest I traveled was to Washington state as a baby
hearty sonnet
I was in the army for 12 years, I know the world isn't all peaches.
It's good to have a healthy skepticism about people as a whole, and to not be so trusting right away, it might save you from finding yourself in a very bad situation
glad needle
I was in the army for 12 years, I know the world isn't all peaches.
It's good to...
We appreciate your service
teal iron
I'm not saying every human on earth is a saint or something
I'm not saying that everyone is just super nice by default all the time
cobalt briar
but the world is a beautiful place, it just might take some dedication and patience to fully come to terms with that depending on how you were raised
barren sierra
Shell is maple flavored
bitter agate
The world is only beautiful if you get away from the urban hellhole
bitter agate
Hoorah
barren sierra
Radio Knight
teal iron
I am saying that:
- People doing bad things is, mostly, the result of being forced or heavily pressured into doing so, or otherwise not knowing better
- If their situation or knowledge were better, they would act better
- The truly disgusting people in this world intentionally normalize that it is natural, and that improvement to the situation would yield no change, because
- If we recognized that people were good by default, then it would make those bad people outcasts, and strip them of the power to abuse they so desperately cling to
bitter agate
Shell walkie talkie Knight
teal iron
that last one is important
hearty sonnet
Shell walkie talkie Knight
Pretty much
cobalt briar
I’ve been wanting more to get into traveling recently to see more parts of the world because there’s so much to see when life can be so short
teal iron
John Richman is allowed to stomp on people with his rich boy boots because "greed is human nature" is ingrained into our thinking
hearty sonnet
I used to set up these 40 foot telescopic antennas in the field, they'd make you set one up by yourself & you had to do it in less than 15 mins
teal iron
We would have no tolerance for him if we considered it expressly abnormal to stomp people for no reason other than because you can
bitter agate
I am saying that:
- People doing bad things is, mostly, the result of being forc...
So we need to go to the 1% houses and burn them down with the richers inside
hearty sonnet
Sometimes you had to set up a bunch, up to four
teal iron
He would no longer be John Richman he would be John Stranded on An Island Forever
novel sun
How did he get stranded
barren sierra
John Stranded is one hell of a cool name tho, dibbing that for my pirate
cobalt briar
anyways I think that’s enough contributions from me
teal iron
For every truly wicked person that has ever tried to seize the world by force, ten million good people were willing to put their lives on the line to stop them
barren sierra
https://fixupx.com/atnsxbt/status/2051989546875641904
this episode is stupid
bitter agate
John Stranded is one hell of a cool name tho, dibbing that for my pirate
John Marooned is a more fitting pirate name
peak folio
this episode is stupid
I never knew this was a thing.
teal iron
Maybe I am wrong
but I sure don't see any of you coming up with a better reason the planet still has trees and puppies
And I sure don't hear a better solution to the world's problems
bitter agate
Maybe I am wrong
You're right, we need to eat the rich to make the world a better place
hearty sonnet
Our skulls aren't filled with bubblegum
barren sierra
I never knew this was a thing. <:croajirokek:1288294816790347777>
the kid is initiated into the series claiming the first po*emon he wants to catch is mew
teal iron
You're right, we need to eat the rich to make the world a better place
This goes back to the gratification discussion
UNFORTUNATELY
AS FUN AS IT WOULD BE
Eating the rich will not make the world a better place
barren sierra
then a shiney Rayquaza casually enters a ball
novel sun
Didn't you just suggest stranding Richman on an island?
teal iron
....I mean at the very least the horrible diseases that would break out around the world would be awful
teal iron
Didn't you just suggest stranding Richman on an island?
It was a metaphor
hearty sonnet
Jesus do you have your whole days rants already typed out & you just copy/paste them?
That was fast
teal iron
That genuinely terrible people would be outcast if humanity as a whole actually believed in its better nature
teal iron
Jesus do you have your whole days rants already typed out & you just copy/paste ...
I did very good in a keyboarding class and I have ADHD
hearty sonnet
I did very good in a keyboarding class and I have ADHD
Me too!
teal iron
The rate of thought->words on the screen is impressive
hearty sonnet
Except for the good in a class part
novel sun
Honestly I feel like a lot of the ultra-rich that hurt others are already on metaphorical islands, but they don't have to care when they have a handful of people who "like" them (even if just for the money) and enough money to do whatever they want
So societal disapproval doesn't actually do much to stop bad actions
teal iron
Honestly I feel like a lot of the ultra-rich that hurt others are already on met...
Outcast as in their money and power would be taken away
I mean there is no real legal obligation to put up with their crap, and so what if there is if the legal people ALSO don't want to put up with their crap
glad needle
UNFORTUNATELY
AS FUN AS IT WOULD BE
Eating the rich will not make the world a be...
Rampant cannibalism would just further prove that human nature is inherently sinful and immoral
teal iron
People just go along with it because they have resigned to the tyranny of the wicked
Because they think that there is no better nature in man to stop it
novel sun
Outcast as in their money and power would be taken away
By who? I don't really trust my government of proven [I don't know if I can say that word in this server; files and an island, you know] to right the wrongs
glad needle
Imagine eating another human because you covet his wealth, smh
teal iron
We just accept that "well they're technically following the rules" (They aren't)
And if more people started believing in the better nature of man, then that acceptance would grind to a halt
teal iron
Imagine eating another human because you covet his wealth, smh
You were suggesting scalpers be shot and pushed back by riot squads
hearty sonnet
By who? I don't really trust my government of proven [I don't know if I can say ...
The Yoshis Island Manifesto
teal iron
just because they covet pokemon cards
Which is what my original point was
A solution based on some strong man imposing power by authority and force is no better than the problem
It is the very corruption of better natures I was ranting about
bitter agate
UNFORTUNATELY
AS FUN AS IT WOULD BE
Eating the rich will not make the world a be...
Can we at least give it a try though?
glad needle
Scalpers are one of the problems that legitimately bedevil a free market. They create artificial scarcity to drive up the price to unnatural levels
bitter agate
Scalpers are one of the problems that legitimately bedevil a free market. They c...
Sounds like the NFT bros
teal iron
Like I said
People are supposed to nice and loving but our desire to protect what is dear to us can easily be corrupted (intentionally or not) into harmful wickedness
It is what of the demons we must learn to tame, both as individuals and as a people
glad needle
They continue to sabotage the market for personal profit, and have faced no serious consequences
teal iron
Scalpers are one of the problems that legitimately bedevil a free market. They c...
See
You want to protect your ideals of capitalism, and are allowing that desire to be corrupted into causing harm for others, possibly people that do not deserve it
You are becoming blind to the consequences of your actions because you only want to see your ideals proven and protected
Which
not to say that there's some magical world where just believing in people's better nature will make scalpers just stop
At least some of them are "Just Like That" and need to be slapped, but what you're suggesting is like throwing a frag grenade to kill a fly
Yeah the fly sure won't survive but you also blew up your kitchen
royal shuttle
I am saying that:
- People doing bad things is, mostly, the result of being forc...
People are evil by default though.
teal iron
"1 blocked message"
Opens
"People are evil be default"
Ah, it all makes sense
royal shuttle
And the insistence that people only do evil due to outside factors or pressures ignores that other people have differing praxeologies than you operate from.
It's a blank slate fallacy.
teal iron
In my mind there are two possibilities
- People are good, and you just need to believe in them, and give them the chance and the encouragement to prove it (sometimes easier said than done)
- People are bad, and nothing will stop them from lying, cheating, and kicking others down on a global scale
Possibility 2 is, in my assessment, impossible because if that were true, Earth would be dead. We would've killed it in our unending malice and hatred. We would've killed every tree, every bird, every bug, every human, by deliberate malice
That we choose not to step on things that we can absolutely just step on without consequences, is highly telling
hearty sonnet
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
teal iron
Yeah we are killing the earth, yeah we are killing the things on it
But it's by negligence
royal shuttle
Scalpers are one of the problems that legitimately bedevil a free market. They c...
It's a non-issue in an actually capitalistic market, which we do not have, as the increase in a price within a region is technically a facet of freedom of speech, and communicates to others in the wider market that there is a greater demand than there is supply. This would be met with other suppliers bringing in product to meet that excess demand in allocation or to produce more. Rationing stifles this communication and prevents that allocation being made to meet that demand.
teal iron
Mining corporations do not dump toxic waste because it's fun, they dump it because they are too stupid to know better, or because they are more worried about their bottom line and there's not enough encouragement to be better
MOst mines do not, in fact, dump toxic waste everywhere
"Humanity is evil" would require people to actively dump toxic waste for NO REASON, for NO GAIN, simply because they can
novel sun
Another possibility is that people are inherently selfish at times, but they also have a "conscience" whether inherent, taught, or both that directs them away from easy selfishness and towards good
teal iron
But we don't. It's extremely rare if it happens at all
hearty sonnet
Rarer than albino bigfoot
teal iron
In fact, most people leave things alone when they absolutely have the power to harm those things, stand to gain at least a little something from harming them, and would face little repercussions for doing so
royal shuttle
"Humanity is evil" would require people to actively dump toxic waste for NO REAS...
There is a spectrum to evil and only 1 good, just because someone doesn't display what you consider an extreme action doesn't mean that person is good either.
lament forge
Or... alternatively... humans are too complex to summarize everyone in all of history as "good" or "bad"?
teal iron
Another possibility is that people are inherently selfish at times, but they als...
I posit that this selfishness is simply our core instincts to survive
barren sierra
Rarer than albino bigfoot
Carby 
teal iron
Or... alternatively... humans are too complex to summarize everyone in all of hi...
I'm talking about whether people default to being evil, or default to being good, if presented with a scenario where both options are available with no particular consequences either way
royal shuttle
I posit that this selfishness is simply our core instincts to survive
Before we continue in a lengthy discussion on morality, can you confirm whether you have a naturalistic and materialistic worldview or if you have some degree of openness to metaphysics?
teal iron
Most of the harm to this planet is simple negligence
We did not know better, and now it's too costly to undo it
lament forge
Everyone has a mix in different amounts. Some people live off their temptations and whims, others have seen how it hurts others and choose to be better.
teal iron
But yet...we are making an effort, an effort that is not truly necessary
I believe that our actions as a species indicate we are inclinded to be kind and compassionate by default
lament forge
I'm talking about whether people default to being evil, or default to being good...
Still not possible to sort people by good, evil, bad, anything. Everyone is different
hearty sonnet
Brutal
teal iron
And that our malice and hatred are flaws. Real and tangible ones, yes, but not what we exist to express
novel sun
I posit that this selfishness is simply our core instincts to survive
I don't disagree. Was listening to an audiobook that actually used the instinct to survive as an example for a very similar conversation. It proposed how if you saw someone in danger, such as drowning, part of you would instinctually want to avoid danger to protect your own life. But at the same time, just about everyone would also have an "instinct" to ignore selfishness and try to help the person in trouble
teal iron
We are all different, but across the world we all value similar "good" ideals
barren sierra
Brutal
i was gonna tag myself but i can't be bigfoot with 35% organic material on me left over
lament forge
We are all different, but across the world we all value similar "good" ideals
Different cultures have different inherent values too, what some find friendly offend others
teal iron
And our actions show that these ideals are more "normal" than not
Sorry, I got kinda confused just now
royal shuttle
Before we continue in a lengthy discussion on morality, can you confirm whether ...
That was a genuine question.
hearty sonnet
You do have ADHD that's for damn sure
teal iron
Still not possible to sort people by good, evil, bad, anything. Everyone is diff...
I'm not trying to sort people, I'm arguing that humans are compassionate and caring towards other people and to some extent all "life", as their normal behavior
Some exceptions here and there, neurodivergence and all that we could talk about it all day
royal shuttle
I'm not trying to sort people, I'm arguing that humans are compassionate and car...
History and philosophy give us a track record that disagrees with this notion.
lament forge
I'm not trying to sort people, I'm arguing that humans are compassionate and car...
...Maybe I just don't live in an area that proves this well...
teal iron
Adults have a lot of prejudices and biases and life experiences
So no one will just "love" everyone else
barren sierra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign
teal iron
I mean like
Some pokemon fans would block me on sight for saying "Palworld's #1 fan" in my bio
queen vale
It's always a funny one when the USA version of the peace sign is basically swearing at someone in the UK, I find it hilarious personally
teal iron
I'm not saying that's not true or that that's unnatural, I'm saying that generally, we try to be nice to each other
bitter agate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign
That's from British archer times. If they captured pows they would cut their index and middle finger off so you couldn't shoot back at them. It's like a "look mf I still got mine" kind of f u
teal iron
Often out of necessity, with strangers
peak folio
teal iron
but we are also programmed with a particular defensiveness that makes us wary and skeptical of people and especially things we don't know
novel sun
https://tenor.com/view/hardpretzel-shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-...
Tails wth
You can't do that
teal iron
but we are also programmed with a particular defensiveness that makes us wary an...
This is where most "hatred" comes from
Basically that's my argument, really
peak folio
You can't do that
A V for each tail
hearty sonnet
It's always a funny one when the USA version of the peace sign is basically swea...
Peace was never an option
barren sierra
bitter agate
but we are also programmed with a particular defensiveness that makes us wary an...
Wrong. Leave two toddlers together for an hour alone and one or both will be dead when you get back... Hence unprogrammed humans start off evil
queen vale
Hatred comes from the fact we're hard wired for small groups and small communities, and the "other" of other tribes and groups competing for limited resources hasn't quite worked it's way out of our lizard brain
lament forge
This is where most "hatred" comes from
Other sources can't be pride or greed?
teal iron
Other sources can't be pride or greed?
I don't really think "greed" is something built into human nature
lament forge
I don't really think "greed" is something built into human nature
...I'm going to bed now...
teal iron
Pride, maybe?
As an offshoot of ego
I mean for starters
We invented money
That stuff does NOT exist in nature
Material wealth does not exist in nature
bitter agate
Marcellis Wallace said f pride
barren sierra
man someone in my region is collecting tv remotes
novel sun
We ***invented*** money
Tbf it made trade wayyy easier
queen vale
That stuff does NOT exist in nature
Material wealth does not exist in nature
Monkeys will trade food for sex
barren sierra
ive seen his listings, 7200 items, all tv remotes
teal iron
I mean money isn't like inherently evil but we can't be programmed with an unreasonable desire to accumulate it because it doesn't exist naturally
teal iron
Any human feelings towards money are basically unnatural by default
royal shuttle
That stuff does NOT exist in nature
Material wealth does not exist in nature
Resource scarcity is a fact of how a material universe works, what are you talking about?
bitter agate
https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235
The dude abides
teal iron
ive seen his listings, 7200 items, all tv remotes
bro has supreme control
royal shuttle
Do you honestly believe that greed only existed after an invention to abstract wealth with a fungible, other, material?
teal iron
Any human feelings towards money are basically unnatural by default
Derivative of natural things, of course
But money is something fundamentally alien to human nature
That's why people get CRAZY when they have, see, or desire a lot of it!
royal shuttle
Any human feelings towards money are basically unnatural by default
Do you have a source for that?
hearty sonnet
This is all just some Prima alt-earth headcannon
royal shuttle
Money is a stand-in for anything else a person could acquire, if it didn't exist, the greed for the raw goods themselves, what that money represented, would still exist.
teal iron
We desire "material wealth" as an extension of "materials" as we need to survive
queen vale
All money is, is an efficient way to trade 2 cows for 3 chickens and a bucket of toast, using tokens instead of carrying cows
teal iron
It's an abnormal condition of society that money is literally required to be alive
The IRS like sents a hitman to hunt you down if you do not acquire and then hand over money
lament forge
Currency has been around for a long time. People rely on it for survival to buy food and shelter, take care of their health, and also get things they're just interested in... we definitely have an inherent attachment to it. We're demanded to even if we don't like it...
teal iron
And that, that totally f-cks with our psychology
queen vale
Yes and No, it's abnormal in how we do it, but it's not abnormal to trade resources for effort
teal iron
It's not just a medium of acquiring things, it's literally a lifeblood
royal shuttle
It's an abnormal condition of society that money is literally required to be ali...
Food is required to be alive, so is water, things being required to live is normal.
teal iron
It makes us unreasonably defensive of it, want an unlimited supply of it because that means unlimited being alive
novel sun
It's not just a medium of acquiring things, it's literally a lifeblood
Ehhh it's only a lifeblood because it's a medium of acquisition
teal iron
You can't be comfortable without a pretty significant amount of money
teal iron
Ehhh it's only a lifeblood **because** it's a medium of acquisition
Again
The IRS.
royal shuttle
Please, just read Hoppe.
teal iron
They put you in prison and stuff if you do not produce the money
You are treated as having less value if you do not produce the money
royal shuttle
Again
The IRS.
We agree, the 3 letter agencies are a bad thing.
lament forge
You can't be comfortable without a pretty significant amount of money
So... greed.
If humanity is inherently above this, why do large societies function off it?
novel sun
Again
The IRS.
They actually don't mess with you if you earn no money, so "The IRS like sents a hitman to hunt you down if you do not acquire and then hand over money" isn't really accurate
royal shuttle
You maintain that humans are not naturally evil, but then you show disdain for one of the largest mafias in the world.
teal iron
So... greed.
If humanity is inherently above this, why do large societies functi...
I did not say humanity is inherently above it.
novel sun
But you need to earn money to survive because money gets you food, and when you earn that money, the government wants their cut
queen vale
What makes us unreasonably defensive about it and other things is the internet
Before we had world news in our pocket, events in America, China, ect wouldn't be "known" and feel like they're happening right now in our face.
This messes with our hardwiring of looking for safety and security, and given marketing floods us with the "next new thing" and the endorphins of the new shiny, we've broken our baselines
teal iron
I said humanity is not naturally greedy
bitter agate
Y'all talking in all paragraphs today... How am I supposed to keep up?
teal iron
It's a massive warping and corruption of other, well-meaning parts of our nature
teal iron
What makes us unreasonably defensive about it and other things is the internet
B...
I disagree massively
royal shuttle
Your worldview makes no internal sense. I'll take your silence on the issue to mean that you do maintain a naturalistic and materialistic worldview that excludes metaphysics, so your it follows your opinions on morality and ethics are worth nothing.
queen vale
And of course this is all before we start talking about the fact that "leadership" generally has sociopaths in it
teal iron
I would never have developed my hope and faith in humanity if I hadn't used the internet to see parts of the world I can never visit
queen vale
Which screws with the morals being fed down
lament forge
I did not say humanity is inherently above it.
Humans definitely are... I wish I could agree... but I watched the news for a few days and couldn't lie to myself.
*Edit: we are not above greed
royal shuttle
I said humanity is not naturally greedy
This is factually incorrect.
teal iron
I would never have developed my hope and faith in humanity if I hadn't used the ...
And in my experience there is far more good in this world than bad
queen vale
My hope and faith in humanity is what I see around me, when I see people doing the good things, not someone the other side of the world doing the good thing
It's nice to see, don't get me wrong
But it's not actually impacting my "world"
teal iron
I can only see the world through the screen, through the people I talk to on this app and others
The "world" around me is tiny, limited
I have no comprehension of other parts of the world, I do not know anything about them, I would struggle to even recognize them as human
But because I can talk to them, talk to people all over the world, my world is so much wider
royal shuttle
But because I can talk to them, talk to people all over the world, my world is s...
It can't be that much wider if you are so quick to block and shut out others for stating ethics you don't like, that's how you get an echo chamber.
teal iron
We aren't above greed
As I said, it's a demon we must tame, first as individuals and then as a society
lament forge
It can't be that much wider if you are so quick to block and shut out others for...
Is that what it's called, an echo chamber? Thanks, didn't know it had a name
teal iron
I suppose I'm not saying we don't have evil thoughts, or wicked motives
I'm saying that we CAN overcome, that they are NOT what we are
lament forge
As I said, it's a demon we must tame, first as individuals and then as a society
There's no shot society will ever tame it anymore
teal iron
Well that's quitter talk
queen vale
Is that what it's called, an echo chamber? Thanks, didn't know it had a name
Echo chamber or bubble is the term commonly used for a small, self-repeating community discussion where affirmation is circular and external or conflicting views get hard yeeted
teal iron
That's why we never tame it
Because we accept it as an immovable object
royal shuttle
One cannot overcome sin nature without God, though I doubt you're going to accept that.
queen vale
There's no shot society will ever tame it anymore
Lots of EMP's
teal iron
How pathetic! The race that conquered the van allen belts and put a flag on the moon, that mastered electricity and sent probes far into the stars, cannot overcome petty greed!
Thousands, MILLIONS of people have already done it, and we owe the wonders of our modern lives to those people
lament forge
Well that's quitter talk
The way society is built with AI art, anyone being able to lie through a screen, hide their real intentions, the motivation to gain influence, power, and money, the march for progress and knowledge while wanting pure convenience... most people will never let go of what they have now to improve.
barren sierra
Irony in that statement, all of that was done out of greed for space race
queen vale
How pathetic! The race that conquered the van allen belts and put a flag on the ...
"Small" groups came together with these goals, but the Space Race was because USA and Russai hated each other
hearty sonnet
Lol
teal iron
"Small" groups came together with these goals, but the Space Race was because US...
massively missing the point
lament forge
Thousands, MILLIONS of people have already done it, and we owe the wonders of ou...
Dropping a winning lottery ticket in anyone's hands is a good idea? Money and power change people.
Not saying everyone would do terrible things but who wouldn't get defensive instantly
teal iron
Greed alone could've never gotten out of the atmosphere
queen vale
massively missing the point
I'm not. We as a species are capable of great good, but also great evils. And it's all down to how the tribes
teal iron
Our sins were only ever dragging Apollo down
queen vale
Greed alone could've never gotten out of the atmosphere
Greed killed multiple astronauts because they couldn't accept deadlines
teal iron
And in spite of them, not because of them, we still did it
queen vale
Prosthesis these days are incredible, but that came from trying to heal victims of the wars
teal iron
And now we're doing it AGAIN, despite AGAIN the best efforts of our sins
queen vale
Not all bad causes good, and not all good causes bad, but conflict is a core driver in progreaaion in our society
teal iron
Prosthesis these days are incredible, but that came from trying to heal victims ...
Would you call that evil?
queen vale
The cause, yes. The effect, no
teal iron
The cause is irrelevant
queen vale
Without the cause, the effect wouldn't have been there?
teal iron
What matters is people set out to help others, to fix what our mistakes made broken
lament forge
People won't set out to help others without feeling the need to do so, without a cause or motivation
teal iron
They had no requirement to do that
They could've said no and invested in profitable petrochemical industries instead
lament forge
Cause matters more than effect, personally
queen vale
Altruism does exist, there's infinite examples of it, hell, I'd be dead if it wasn't because one guy decided to make Insulin easily accesible, yet in the USA it's literally bankrupting people to stay alive
The Seat Belt
They didn't patent it because they wanted to save lives
hearty sonnet
teal iron
"Altruism does exist, there's infinite examples of it" that's my point
lament forge
"Altruism does exist, there's infinite examples of it" that's my point
There are double that number of examples of... we'll politely call it, anti-altruism
teal iron
I would disagree
lament forge
History has a lot of wars
teal iron
Anti-altruism would be if there was expressly nothing to gain
queen vale
But you are at the same time denying the fact that the people who were in the position to be altruistic, were only there due to the causes.
The people who were working on prosthesis were only able to and influenced to because people's lives were being shattered by war
teal iron
But you are at the same time denying the fact that the people who were in the po...
???? no I'm not
Necessity is the mother of invention
queen vale
You said the cause was irrelevent
lament forge
Anti-altruism would be if there was expressly nothing to gain
People that do those terrible things did it for personal gain
teal iron
But I'm saying that because people do things for altruistic purposes, that people ARE capable and generally inclined to act out of compassion
queen vale
People that do those terrible things did it for personal gain
Or because it was Tuesday
barren sierra
A fair reminder wed have free electricity if Edison wasnt a lil bitch
teal iron
I'm not saying everyone is a saint, or that nothing bad has ever been because of humanity
I'm saying that our evil can be overcome, at least on an individual level, and on a large scale
And if individuals can overcome it...then why not society as a whole?
Is that not a future worth believing in?
Is that not a world worth fighting for?
lament forge
In short - some humans are inclined towards good, some are towards bad. Near everyone is a mix of the 2.
barren sierra
and wed also have free water if a certain someone didn't controll it
hearty sonnet
Poseidon
queen vale
The "Liquidators" or "Human robots" of Chernobyl, who knew they were basically going to die to try and help contain the reaction damage. Their actions are selfless, and applaudable, but they're there because other people's ignorance, greed, arrogance all bled down to a disaster
teal iron
In short - some humans are inclined towards good, some are towards bad. Near eve...
What someone is inclined towards depends on who they are
That is beauty of our individuality
lament forge
And if individuals can overcome it...then why not society as a whole?
Prisoner's dilemma. Some people see they can gain more for themself, so, in a society where everyone is happy and friendly with your ideal view, it would be far too easy to gain more for themself. And because people are different, plenty would be more than willing to take advantage of that.
teal iron
But I believe we are all capable of being better, that we are all capable of being good people and most of the time we do bad is because we feel it is either the right thing to do or because we do not have a choice
lament forge
What someone is inclined towards depends on who they are
That is beauty of our i...
So if we're all individual... why are you so adamant that "everyone is good" ? That there's 0 room for there to be bad people minus "a few exceptions" ?
teal iron
So if we're all individual... why are you so adamant that "everyone is good" ? T...
We are more good than bad
lament forge
Capable and willing to be are 2 different things
lament forge
We are more good than bad
...So, people aren't unique individuals or different from each other...
teal iron
???
queen vale
I'd say many could be capable, but are unfortunatly too reward and incentive driven to act in some cases, or too afraid because the system they are in will destroy them for being "good"
royal shuttle
We are more good than bad
teal iron
Our individuality bleeds into a collective morality and conscious when you zoom out past a certain point
teal iron
Just as our individual primitive cells bleed into a conscious mind when you zoom out
lament forge
Just as our individual primitive cells bleed into a conscious mind when you zoom...
I'm 110% lost now
teal iron
And I think, and will die on this hill, that the collective conscious of humanity is more good than bad
royal shuttle
Our individuality bleeds into a collective morality and conscious when you zoom ...
You ignore Christian ethics and attribute the good that God has done to humanity, all while downplaying humanities moral evils by saying it has done more good than evil by its own virtue.
teal iron
We do not give ourselves enough credit, and as a weird feedback loop that causes us to act so much worse than we are
lament forge
And I think, and will die on this hill, that the collective conscious of humanit...
If you want to keep believing this, do not turn on the news for a day
teal iron
If you want to keep believing this, do not turn on the news for a day
The news expressly benefits by telling me things that will anger and upset me
They do not provide an accurate image of the world
lament forge
The news expressly benefits by telling me things that will anger and upset me
If people are inherently good then why would they want to do that?
teal iron
They will ignore the good for the bad, because reporting on the bad makes them the money they so desire
lament forge
They will ignore the good for the bad, because reporting on the bad makes them t...
So they're greedy?
teal iron
Perhaps that is a flaw of our money-driven society
queen vale
teal iron
Perhaps they would still act that way if there was no bottom line to fuss about
royal shuttle
Ignore things that show humanities evils a priori
humanity is good, greed is not natural
conclusions are refuted by all of human history
insist conclusions are accurate despite others saying the contrary with citations
lament forge
Perhaps that is a flaw of our money-driven society
How did society become money-driven if humanity is inherently good?
hearty sonnet
https://external-preview.redd.it/a-powerful-image-on-the-impact-the-media-can-ha...
Drink it you son of a bitch, DRINK IT
lament forge
If we're good then these things shouldn't have ever had the chance to happen at all
queen vale
Drink it you son of a bitch, DRINK IT
And there's the third perspective
teal iron
I did not.
Say.
Humanity invariably picks the goodest and bestest options in every scenario
queen vale
"In the war against dehydration, I AM THE SOLDIER"
lament forge
Society takes a lot of people agreeing to go with it to maintain focus on money
Or whatever it focuses on
royal shuttle
"If humanity good, why do bad thing" problem of evil, except there aren't philosophical answers to be found, unlike with the typical problem of evil discussions in religious circles.
lament forge
And it took a lot of decisions to get to the point where the news could focus on only putting out news that opposes what you think
Lots of stuff had to go wrong before that
teal iron
Let me clear.
I am saying that people would like to pick the nicer option if they had the choice
What exactly IS the nicer option varies a lot, and the "nicer" option may not actually be the option that does the most good, but people typically do what they think is right (obligations to life, contracts, and the like aside), and we all generally agree on what that means
The path to damnation is, after all, paved with good intentions.
What seems the best option is not always a good choice
And humanity is certainly not above making that mistake
lament forge
The path to damnation is, after all, paved with good intentions.
Or greed or pride or laziness or convenience or-
royal shuttle
In a purely naturalistic and materialistic universe, there are no such things as good and evil, only nature and it's might makes right lived experience. Stop taking philosophical concepts from Christianity and step down from discussions on morality, your worldview literally cannot provide a framework for it.
teal iron
Ok there are a lot of roads to damnation but the one that is most traveled is the one paved with good intentions
or something like that
hearty sonnet
The road to hell is made from a fused black stone not found here on surface earth
lament forge
or something like that
"Something like that" ??
Adamant about "something like that" ?
teal iron
lament forge
I'm... tired.
I'm just gonna go...
teal iron
I'm adamant that this world and the people are worth believing in
hearty sonnet
Anime moment
teal iron
I'm adamant that "humanity is just greedy by default" is how the greedy people get away with their cruelty.
I'm adamant that the difference between today and a brighter future is people believing that we as a people are capable of delivering it
royal shuttle
I'm adamant that this world and the people are worth believing in
Against the evidence to the contrary, you choose evil over good.
queen vale
I hold hope thst the species will on average choose the better path, but I don't bet my sanity on it
teal iron
Because if those things are not true then there is no point to anything, because all our world will ever amount to is radioactive ash and broken promises
lament forge
I'm adamant that this world and the people are worth believing in
All I've been saying is, that's way too generalized of a statement for me to fathom the possibility of
People are individual, so some are inherently good, some aren't... categorizing into neat simple sentences can feel satisfying but wow is it a dangerous thing to do on such a broad scale
I'm taking my leave
royal shuttle
Because if those things are not true then there is no point to anything, because...
Welcome to the logical end-point of a naturalistic and materialistic worldview, unavoidable nihilism, as nothing matters.
teal iron
All I've been saying is, that's way too generalized of a statement for me to fat...
...are you saying some people aren't good? That they don't deserve the chance?
royal shuttle
Stop trying to square a circle with a self-undermining framework.
queen vale
...are you saying some people aren't good? That they don't deserve the chance?
If they aren't, I will
royal shuttle
...are you saying some people aren't good? That they don't deserve the chance?
If things were only fair, and not loving, then everyone would be burning in hell.
queen vale
There are people out there who are irredemable by society's standards, never mind on an individual basis
teal iron
Because if those things are not true then there is no point to anything, because...
But less than 1% of the earth's surface is currently irradiated so as I see it there is still a chance
royal shuttle
fairness alone doesn't make for a "good" outcome for people.
lament forge
...are you saying some people aren't good? That they don't deserve the chance?
Whatever I say doesn't matter. I do think people deserve a chance.
In all honesty, I used to agree. I used to think everyone could be taught to make good choices.
But I started paying attention to my surroundings.
teal iron
And I will believe in that chance until the unnatural sunrise of the nuclear armaggedon so ensured by the nihilistic logic of this age
lament forge
It just isn't true
teal iron
Until this planet dies, I will always be right
lament forge
Some people really just don't care about others, and not a small amount
royal shuttle
Until this planet dies, I will always be right
lament forge
What about those who support AI data scraping, stealing artists' work? Those people are so insistent on following their vision of theft for profit that they'll shamelessly, publicly state that they're upset when websites take measures to protect themselves.
royal shuttle
What about those who support AI data scraping, stealing artists' work? Those peo...
First off, it's not theft.
lament forge
And that AI is for instant gratification
lament forge
First off, it's not theft.
???
queen vale
???
The technical definition is depriving you of property. By copying it you still have the original
teal iron
What about those who support AI data scraping, stealing artists' work? Those peo...
I believe they deserve a chance to be better
Maybe they will
They probably won't
And they should be punished accordingly then
queen vale
It's an argument used regarding piracy a lot
teal iron
Maybe it won't happen
Change is slow
royal shuttle
???
Theft pertains to when someone violates another's property rights to deprive the owner of that scarce good, ideas and publicly posted data are inherently non-scarce.
lament forge
Whatever the technical definition is, the company is using someone else's work for profit without consent
teal iron
The general pattern of AI scraping is despicable, and it should be stopped
legal and technical semantics notwithstanding
royal shuttle
It's the most transformative use possible of an existing work, you'd have to do away with fair use in order to stop it, and subsequently, violate an inherent right in freedom of speech, which stems from First Principles.
lament forge
I believe they deserve a chance to be better
Maybe they will
They probably won't...
They're getting chances. The backlash is the websites protecting themselves, and people criticizing it.
They're choosing not to look at what they're doing.
royal shuttle
The consistent, principled position on it is that traning on publicly posted works is fine.
teal iron
But we do not live in a better world yet
We live in a world run by the liars where such greed is tolerated and normalized
royal shuttle
Fair use doesn't require permission.
teal iron
So they will most likely get away with it
royal shuttle
legal and technical semantics notwithstanding
Despite your emotional appeal, there is nothing wrong with training off of publicly posted data or works in the market.
lament forge
But we do not live in a better world yet
We live in a world run by the liars whe...
But how is the world in this state if humanity is so inclined towards good?
teal iron
They're getting chances. The backlash is the websites protecting themselves, and...
You do have to remember the greater pressures acting on them
The twisted effects of how they were raised and their money and blah blah blah
I have low confidence in people like that, but I do not think this should exclude them from society's best effort to make them change course
lament forge
Despite your emotional appeal, there is nothing wrong with training off of publi...
Still profiting off other people's works without consent...
teal iron
But how is the world in this state if humanity is so inclined towards good?
Mistakes. Liars. 500+ years of not knowing any better and being afraid to try to change.
queen vale
Despite your emotional appeal, there is nothing wrong with training off of publi...
I'd disagree because of the fact that it diminishes the value of the data in many contexts, and also in a lot of other cases is just outright misinformation. There's active AI poisoning activities ongoing because of this for example
lament forge
Mistakes. Liars. 500+ years of not knowing any better and being afraid to try t...
People don't live that long. For it to still be happening, at least a decent number of people would have to have inherent greed or pride driving their decisions
teal iron
People don't live that long. For it to still be happening, at least a decent num...
"not knowing any better"
No one has lived long enough to see the spiral for what it is
lament forge
"not knowing any better"
Not knowing better, so founded on something "not good"
teal iron
"being afraid to try to change" see: this conversation, the reaction to "communism"
lament forge
I have to put away groceries... I'm out
teal iron
We are raised by a world that does not know anything different, only failed systems of the past
hearty sonnet
I have to put away groceries... I'm out
Third time you've said that
teal iron
ANd we are perhaps so prideful that in hubris we believe this system is the ONE that won't fail
hearty sonnet
On my count anyways
teal iron
So the notion of a reform or a new system is spat upon, booed off the stage, and voted out
queen vale
Maybe they're out of stuff which is why they are getting the groceries in
royal shuttle
I'd disagree because of the fact that it diminishes the value of the data in man...
Writing styles and art styles are not something people can own, the original works can't be reproduced naturally using the tools, as the models are dwarfed by the training data used to make them, so you can't argue the entire book is within the model either. It's fair use by definition.
If you need to buy something from a monopoly in order to begin making a critique, satire or parody of it and the monopoly seller refuses to sell it to you, then your freedom of speech is stifled. That's why fair use doesn't require permission, it's fair use, not fair acquisition.
cobalt briar
damn scalpers really have no limit do they
queen vale
Writing styles and art styles are not something people can own, the original wor...
How can someone not own an art style if that's how they paint, or writing style if that's how they write?
I'm not saying they have an exclusive right to be the only human to do it in their way, but at the same time that's a bit of a wild stretch for things
Fair use is just that, fair. It respects (or disrespects) the original work and creates soomething new. It doesn't outright rip off and show the original as their own because it was done using a different tool, different paintbrush, or an AI model
teal iron
So the notion of a reform or a new system is spat upon, booed off the stage, and...
It's lamentable, but it doesn't make us bad people, nor does it make our forefathers bad people
By that logic's extreme a child failing to perform long division is an iredeemable failure
and proves said child is actually evil
which is just silly!
queen vale
There's a difference between "drawing in studio ghibli style" and just photocopying the pictures
royal shuttle
damn scalpers really have no limit do they
"Scalpers" aren't the problem, the Rationers are, artificially limiting supply with copyright and stiffling speech through price by preventing those pricing signals from happening in the first place. If other TCG companies were able to print off Pokemon cards and ship them out, there wouldn't be such a drought of them out there, for example.
teal iron
We make mistakes! It's ok!
What's not ok is that we have thus far just watched in stupefied horror as our mistakes snowball into a world-ending catastrophe instead of critically evaluating how we can fix it
peak folio
X
royal shuttle
How can someone not own an art style if that's how they paint, or writing style ...
How would a boomer-shooter in the style of Picasso's paintings be a market replacement for his artwork? I just don't see anything ethically wrong with AI training on publicly posted works, you can own a physical painting as the paint on the canvas, the object, but you can't ethically claim to own the pattern it's arranged into.
queen vale
How would a boomer-shooter in the *style* of Picasso's paintings be a market rep...
That's a transformative use for a start
If the game was claiming to be a picasso original, or claim the artstyle was their own instead, which by your statements to my understanding you are, how is that proper?
teal iron
Yeah this is the REAL reason I have that guy blocked, though the plastering of christianity on my words makes me want to double-block
queen vale
The AI models are "learning" from the sources, sure, but when the model can basically write a book in the style of Frank Herbert, does this mean someone is entitled to take over and continue the Dune series?
teal iron
Bro does not value art, it's not a commodity to him
Also does not understand how learning works
Or maybe chooses to ignore them to maintain their chosen fighter in the game of morality combat
royal shuttle
That's a transformative use for a start
If the game was claiming to be a picasso...
The studio couldn't claim the work was a Picasso original, nor that the style was their own, they can claim it was based on his works.
queen vale
Which isn't what you were saying before though?
royal shuttle
Bro does not value art, it's not a commodity to him
If you own a statue, you can sell that statue, but if I take a picture of that statue, I own that print of a picture itself, not the pattern the statue is. If you or I post it online, the pattern is out there, a pattern neither of us owned in the first place.