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jaunty kraken
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@long shard

sick flame
tranquil obsidian
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being 40% owned by banks pays off =p

fresh shard
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Just saying, people thought companies like Sega and NeoGeo would never go down either

teal iron
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Once again, i did not say "never"

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I said, simply, that Nintendo is too big for normal market forces to overturn
Anything that would topple them will also change a LOT about the landscape
And it would be more the changing landscape that topples them, than any other force

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apparently nothing I've said makes any sense but trust me ok

peak folio
wild mountain
peak folio
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Cat with an F

jaunty kraken
fresh shard
peak folio
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Fot kot

copper inlet
rare coral
warm mesa
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Christ is Lord

copper inlet
rare coral
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Tarrifs are painful

copper inlet
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Make them pay for it, and they pay us to build it. But man, money is rough these days.

rare coral
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Im actually building this for an old classmate of mine. He can't afford a PC and I got a perfectly well cared for 1070ti in need of a home.

broken breach
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Hewooo

peak folio
rustic basin
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yep

solid sun
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see I told you the new patch is gonna be cool

jaunty kraken
solid sun
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I don't know why they were hiding Bucky in the announcement video, you barely got to see him.

clever jungle
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only thing better would be if servers got a cut of the profits from boosts but that aignt gonna happen

teal iron
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Did you guys hear they're thinking about making it so you can rent game servers, like minecraft and palworld dedicated server hosting, with boosts

clever jungle
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thats a cool feature if it is true

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now do I self host my servers anyways yes but still cool for everyone who doesn't

teal iron
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There aren't many details, I think they're going to basically offer some of Shockbyte hosting's options

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And I saw palworld in their list of games in their mockups

clever jungle
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honestly discord just partering up with a company like shockbyte for it would be cool

clever jungle
teal iron
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it could go pretty hard for my community, people have asked now and again for a Palworld server using PalSync, and hey
I could host one, without worrying about someone like DDoSing my poor development computer

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and THEY would pay for it!
So I know people will want it, because if they didn't want it they wouldn't spend boosts

clever jungle
teal iron
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I guess there is the possibility that they will boost for fun, or expecting something different

clever jungle
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I am glad I did it but being able to community fund a server is a really cool idea and will probably make them a lot more money then they think if priced right

teal iron
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but they have a solution to that: polls

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It's definitely the kind of thing that nitro and other MTX are well-suited for

clever jungle
teal iron
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Probably what they envisioned with the addition of boosting

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People who spend money on the items can basically "vote" on which servers to give stuff to

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FORDEMOCRACY democracy

clever jungle
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beyond that it just gives people a reason to boost small servers

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thus more money for discord

teal iron
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Hopefully the server hosting doesn't SUCK

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it's not nitrado, and the only server host I've heard anything bad about is nitrado

clever jungle
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I mean any server hosting that you don't self host is going to suck..........

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but if it works somewhat people won't care that much

fresh shard
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the thing about nitrado is that they're still living in the 360/ps3 era. if your server is from that time or before great, but newer games require beefier servers now

simple aurora
humble parrot
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The summoning

simple aurora
minor coyote
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Honestly, as much as I don't like what Nintendo is doing to palworld, I can't wait for the new tomodatchi life! I never got to play it on my 3ds when I had it but I did watch dantdm play it.

turbid ice
minor coyote
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Yeah. Let's hope it's not 100 us dollars.

turbid ice
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Although the switch version might not let your Miis sing songs you've written, though. I remember being a kid and making your Miis say curse words and slurs being the height of comedy back in middle school

turbid ice
fresh shard
hexed sentinel
bronze mesa
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good night acquaintances. i love palworld, and you should too

fresh shard
simple aurora
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She's defrosting soon. croajirokek

rare coral
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Due to upfront costs vs subscripton costs for good enough ram and cpu

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Its just cheaper to buy an Intel mini pc and throw Unraid or Proxmox with Docker.

sick flame
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What is the mechanical difference between Palworld and Craftopia?

teal iron
teal iron
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Which some people are just good at technology and have all that stuff but many people do not

humble parrot
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Morning

sick flame
peak folio
peak folio
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Copycat

peak folio
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That only took five years but I’ll take it. cat_cry

clever jungle
sick flame
peak folio
rare coral
unborn mauve
rare coral
peak folio
sick flame
fresh shard
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i think they're referring to the mobile versions of spotify, the pc version already lets you choose

rare coral
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I just like unraid because I'm a lazy nerd, fedora server with portainer was suffering. (Podman is trash)

rare coral
peak folio
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That’s a good one, ngl.

tranquil obsidian
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unless you remove the need to credit creators

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if you don't need to credit creators, you don't need to credit AI, and so the onus is on the opposition to prove AI usage

bronze mesa
mental summit
zinc depot
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More than my monthly mortgage payments

fresh shard
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wait why $60 for mario movie?

peak folio
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For the shitpost

mental summit
peak folio
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Maybe for the 4DX version

rare coral
zinc depot
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color tv didn't exist

rare coral
onyx grotto
rare coral
onyx grotto
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True

unborn mauve
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trust

onyx grotto
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If you were to try including Missingno in your game, the sprite and name is probably all you should include. Any references to Pokemon should be removed

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Sorry if I bothered you guys, I'm just a big fan of Missingno

fresh shard
peak folio
onyx grotto
sick flame
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Fall Guys is DEAD

With this update, Mediatonic basically ended support for the game - expect just weekly ltms, some mastery cycles, new disney collabs and recycled content until the game shuts down late next year to get ported to Fortnite

I can't believe this is how it ended 🥲

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huh?

onyx grotto
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Damn, that kinda sucks.

mental summit
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So this is the fall, guys

onyx grotto
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TBH, it kinda could've been expected as soon as Epic ported basically the entire core game into Fortnite.

sick flame
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I thought they were closing the game, but there is no information about it.

fresh shard
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that's fine, i already got my fall guys goal, pushing a hololive member off the platform Chillet_hee

rare coral
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Got me good @peak folio

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The diabolical part is the fact that because it says the picture is sus, you overthink it.

peak folio
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That youtube account posting daily updates once again has a purpose.

humble parrot
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Not really

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It's fake

peak folio
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Hopefully they wont gaslight people saying you don’t have to play the previous titles only to have the difficulty curve be three games high.

humble parrot
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Ngl, for a sec I thought that was an E from Quinn

peak folio
teal iron
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Amiibo are moving away from funny "toy" with benefits to premium collector's item (with benefits)

mental summit
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I remember getting them for $9-10, sometimes forking over 15 if it was one I really wanted

I thought the galaxy ones being $40 each was going to be the highest it would go

hearty sonnet
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@teal iron mono_raise

teal iron
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Oh thanks

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Yeah the image I linked was a jpeg

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It was of the original Rosalina amiibo for smash Bros next to the new storybook one which is easily 3 times as big and much much MUCH more detailed

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-# it's actually like twice the radius of the "base"

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Don't worry the scalpers will quickly make these prices effectively triple anyway until it turns out not even collectors will pay $300, and the scalpers are forced to sell below MSRP

peak folio
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Before anyone gets too excited, the “$100” amiibo comment was clearly tongue in cheek.

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I’d say they’d limit the size and detail of the figure to keep the price under control, but that’s not likely what’s going on here anyway.

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Nintendo most likely raised the prices on all the accessories including amiibo to absorb the impact tariffs have on the Switch 2.

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They are probably going to raise the price on that thing as an absolute last resort.

tough comet
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only true nintendo fans will spend that much money

peak folio
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Anyone collecting Amiibo is probably loaded to begin with

mental summit
teal iron
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I know a friend who is not loaded at all but clearly plans to buy the amiibo anyway

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She REALLY likes rosalina

peak folio
peak folio
teal iron
peak folio
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Well in that case I wouldn’t call that a collection.

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Cause even at $20 a pop, collecting them adds up. 😅

teal iron
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This same friend consistently says "money" when I ask them to get literally any game

rare coral
teal iron
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"nooo I'm a college student I need to save money"
Nintendo: so we're making a new rosalina-
PandaTakeMyMoney

peak folio
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At least you don’t have to worry about them having that flavor of the week syndrome

teal iron
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I guess a genderfluid girl's gotta enjoy life somehow

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"""girl"""

peak folio
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Is that related somehow?

teal iron
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Probably not

peak folio
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It came out as if it’s the reason they don’t buy games

teal iron
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I just felt like I needed to emphasize the dubious and elusive nature of their gender

peak folio
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It’s a common problem these days.

teal iron
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Which is to say they have they/them as pronouns but literally everyone but me in the group calls them he, and now they set their pronouns to she/they so I can only assume their hair is #0000ff

peak folio
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That’s the stereotype at least.

teal iron
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Alas
It's standard brown

peak folio
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The only amiibo I care about is Malzeno so I’m good.

teal iron
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I would like the new Rosalina but yeesh
Money

tranquil obsidian
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cattiva amiibo

peak folio
night plume
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I think we all have that friend that doesn't have money for things they need or small/inexpensive entertainment things that they want, but suddenly has hundreds for random offshoot thing or skin in game.

teal iron
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Now if there was a honey queen amiibo I would become an assassin and take hits on every single person in this room to pay for it

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Now you might be thinking, "prima, aren't assassinations like $20000 a pop these days?"
Yes but you need to consider I want more than one bee

tranquil obsidian
teal iron
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I want at least 2, and with the pricing the way it is...

teal iron
tranquil obsidian
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though i buy gifts every so often. tbh I'll probably end up getting the rosa for my friends birthday if i can

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though the Nintendo store is apparently dead right now for me at least

rare coral
tranquil obsidian
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i work in debt management, so i know how to use the little money i get

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honestly, 80% of the time it's people overspending, and rarely a case of under earning

rare coral
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As soon as you stop using credit cards and owe on none. You suddenly become a lot more money conscious

tranquil obsidian
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i legally can't get a credit card lol

visual mirage
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With his positive attitude and childlike sense of awe, the Double Rainbow Guy became one of the most beloved internet celebrities of the early 2010s. So whatever happened to him?

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peak folio
full mountain
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Like yeah the stuff is Hella weird, but it seems the commentary is kinda sorta "in bad faith"? So to say

zinc depot
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Can you argue in good faith about someone who wears a rubber body suit?

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lol

full mountain
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But I do feel the vid is a lil mean spirited is all

zinc depot
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That's just gundam's style

full mountain
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I mean these peeps are weirdos sure but this is America, let em live in peace

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☮️

mental summit
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This is America we just renamed the secretary of defense to the secretary of war, we don’t believe in peace

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Or at least not enough of us

teal iron
full mountain
teal iron
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Because the executive branch doesn't have that authority it has to be passed by comgress

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Which is significantly funnier

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OFFICIALLY it is still the department of defense, and every part of the government is still technically expected to refer to it as such
However the white house and the executive branch are going forward expected to refer to it as the department of war, and accept either name interchangeably, in any official document or email sent internally

rustic basin
wraith goblet
rustic basin
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im bad at remembering charecter names though lol

wraith goblet
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I see ^^ I like the pig-guy, I forgot his name too xD oof sorry back to general chat for me

glad needle
glad needle
peak folio
peak folio
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||I haven’t squinted at this one yet but artifacts haven’t jumped out at me and no one has said anything yet. 🤔||

sick flame
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peak folio
rustic basin
peak folio
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Rip gengar

fresh shard
leaden nova
bronze mesa
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Stop Eing meeeee

glad needle
rustic basin
fresh shard
rare coral
glad needle
fresh shard
glad needle
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I can only imagine Quinn’s response

fresh shard
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Quinn would either go Karen on them or try to claim comfort animal, which also isn't allowed croajirokek

glad needle
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I suspect he’ll say worse

fresh shard
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There's a tier higher than Karen? Chillet_confused

glad needle
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Have you not heard him yell every day that Katress is best girl or best waifu pal

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Multiple times a day

fresh shard
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Yes but movie theaters don't care for opinions croajirokek

hearty sonnet
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I think the more senior Karen is called a Susan

simple aurora
fresh shard
rustic basin
glad needle
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It’s a cat

rustic basin
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its a pal

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specifically a katress

bronze mesa
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katress smell

glad needle
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They probably smell like whatever they killed and ripped apart for food last

rustic basin
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-# jokeing lol

rustic basin
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pretty sure they are smart enough to prepare it before consumption

fresh shard
bronze mesa
plush marsh
solid sun
simple aurora
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Tbf K-pop Demon Hunter >>> any Disney film recently.

teal iron
simple aurora
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They lowered the bar themselves.

weary helm
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I have Gun Bros on an old Phone, the Heal Grenades now in Palworld could be a nice homage 😄

simple aurora
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plush marsh
simple aurora
humble parrot
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Morning

peak folio
kindred sleet
teal iron
humble parrot
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Bucky

sick flame
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Bucky Badge

teal iron
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Bucky resisting the urge to spend this server's boosts on the frog and making it the server tag:

peak folio
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Everywhere I go

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I see her face

kindred sleet
peak folio
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The gd lips on that thing.

humble parrot
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Instagram thot lips

peak folio
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Bloody implants

simple aurora
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So I "chatted" with someone on why Pokemon players would like Palworld and the counter argument I got was it has no turn-based mechanics so Pokemon fans won't like it.

mental summit
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But they’re all buying legends ZA

mental summit
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Oh that one too that one isn’t turn based either

peak folio
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The venn diagram of people who like pokemon gameplay and people who like palworld gameplay don’t overlap half as much as you might think.

mental summit
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Well yeah, some Pokémon fans probably won’t like palworld because it’s a survival game. The reason is it being a survival game, not because palworld isn’t turn based

peak folio
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lol, yeah

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Gamers are very bad at articulating why they like or dislike something to begin with. Throw the Palworld biases in there and you’ll get some pretty nonsensical discussions.

zinc depot
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That's just humans in general

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All sorts of people play video games

peak folio
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“Gamers” are people who play video games.

tranquil obsidian
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i liked legends arceus

zinc depot
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"Gamer" has become a bit of a slur in some circles

mental summit
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“Gamers are the most oppressed minority guys come on”

peak folio
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“Please say ‘digital interaction enjoyer.’”

mental summit
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Well hold on that’s not specifically gamers, digital interaction enjoyers makes it sound like you’re lumping in the people who are in relationships with grok and ChatGPT and others

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I’m like 90% sure AI isn’t a game

peak folio
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That’s too bad, they’re all under the same banner now.

simple aurora
tidal blade
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Have yall seen the "new" Pokémon game....Pokopia.....

zinc depot
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no

tidal blade
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You play as a ditto in human form...and it looks like a weird cross between Animal Crossing and Minecraft... it looks awful tbh.

I wouldnt even compare it to Palworld.

I just thought it was funny.

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It will only be for the switch 2 looks like [release date is 2026] which is sad because a lot of kids dont have that lol.

Id rather pay for a steam deck for my nephews.

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At least then they will have more options game wise.

mental summit
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I’ve heard people saying it’s a rip off of some dragon quest builders game, but I’ve never heard of it

teal iron
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"looks awful" is a really interesting way people have come up with lately, of saying "i'm not personally interested"

zinc depot
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Not going to find many nintendo fans here, ha

leaden nova
snow thistle
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It’s literally a Koei Tecmo game

tranquil obsidian
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more than just pals is just ripping off palworld

sick flame
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You mean a pokemon by KT?

snow thistle
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Yeah the new one

tranquil obsidian
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I'll be honest when i saw KT x Pokemon i was disappointed it wasn't warriors

snow thistle
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It’s pretty obviously their DQ Builders team too

tranquil obsidian
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Pokémon warriors had been given the ok years ago "as long as it's not too violent"

sick flame
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Apparently, Pokemon do things like watering or lighting a fire like in Palworld.

tranquil obsidian
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a ditto mc has been done before in fangames, like a mystery dungeon where you copy the wild Mon instead of randomly abducting them

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so seeing a ditto mc did get my hopes up briefly

sick flame
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Animal Crossing / Minecraft

solid sun
tranquil obsidian
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dragon quest has had a few cameo Devs; IX was made by level-5

sick flame
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ditto human face is like easter egg by anime

abstract reef
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when are servers gonna be online again

tranquil obsidian
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may 11th 2027

tidal blade
tidal blade
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Ive never had the pleasure of playing Dragon Quest [of any type] so that's why I went the other way.

sick flame
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I've never played Dragon Quest croajirokek

hearty sonnet
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I've never played a DQ game either

solid sun
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Dragon Quest Heroes is my favorite Warriors game

hearty sonnet
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I was always a FF nerd

solid sun
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can recommend that one, it has flawless controlls and fun dialogue

tidal blade
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My first meaningful game was Spyro and games similar to that until sims.

OOOOO yes please!!!!

peak folio
tidal blade
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Hahhahah

hearty sonnet
tidal blade
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Oh snap. Ima have to look into those.

solid sun
tidal blade
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Oh definitely. I still play Jak and Daxter [when my disk works] and got the RIT for Spyro recently for steam. Never really played Crash but watched friends play it when I was a kid.

sick flame
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i just looked on steam

tidal blade
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XD

hearty sonnet
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Bucky: The Movie

tidal blade
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Is...is there a joke here? Im so lost.

sick flame
hearty sonnet
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I'm being dead serious

tidal blade
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Ohhh

hearty sonnet
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Bucky: The Movie is in theatre's Oct 5th

tidal blade
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Haha

sick flame
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After Palworld 1.0 release, next Palworld the movie

hearty sonnet
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Bucky will be played by Henry Cavill

tidal blade
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That frickin frog

sick flame
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roll frog

tidal blade
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Killed me like 8 times in a playthrough. I was just collecting things 😭

snow thistle
teal iron
sick flame
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mod movie edit in palworld game

teal iron
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I haven't seen the movie yet but I know it's going to need more Lunaris

sick flame
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and Palworld series (anime)

hearty sonnet
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Definitely a top 5 actor for me mono_raise

covert swallow
sick flame
peak folio
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Palworld: The First Movie

simple aurora
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I don't know how some news outlets are reporting Palworld full release comes in January even if there's no mention of that. chikipisus

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Literally none, even in the video from the official Twitter post.

hearty sonnet
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I think it will release later this week

teal iron
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Yeah to conserve energy every year starting with 2026 is going to be only one month long

hollow anvil
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Don't worry, they will release Palworld 1.0 on Dec 31, 2026 at 23:59:59

simple aurora
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Palmon.

hearty sonnet
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Palmon is real

simple aurora
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Also a literal Digimon name.

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I was about to say that.

hearty sonnet
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And it's fantastic, way better than Palworld

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It actually makes Palworld look like complete crap

simple aurora
hearty sonnet
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Oh I'm kidding haha oh no

simple aurora
hearty sonnet
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Lawd have mercy

olive ravine
tidal blade
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O.o

simple aurora
olive ravine
hearty sonnet
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I feel like they're all gonna do it

olive ravine
simple aurora
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But yeah, Time Stranger could be a big hit if it runs smoothly.

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Right now been hearing of game crashing when trying to Digi fuse in battle.

hearty sonnet
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I've never played or watched Digimon, looked like the Wish.com version of Pokemon when I was growing up & made zero sense to my young brain

zealous crow
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I do hope palworld 1.0 doesn't release the same month as GTA 6

peak folio
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Digimon was the one that actually had a plot

zealous crow
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I'm saying because that'd be a lot of missed sales if that were to happen

teal iron
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Yeah poor GTA6....

peak folio
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The date for GTA is most likely locked in at this point so it should be easy enough to avoid.

hearty sonnet
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Man I hope GTA 6 somehow sucks ass

teal iron
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They're gonna charge like $120 and it just won't even sell

zealous crow
teal iron
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That's my deepest, truest, most real desire

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I crave NOTHING more than for it to flop like concord

peak folio
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Players just super vindictive

zealous crow
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There's a bigger than Jupiter level of hype from normal players

teal iron
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To watch the titans fall, it is a fairy's true purpose in life SylveonMischievous

zealous crow
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If it crashes it might be 1983 all over again

peak folio
simple aurora
zealous crow
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However for me I shall buy palworld physically multiple times

hearty sonnet
zealous crow
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Best to own the palworld for the PS5 and PC whenever available on a disc

peak folio
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They have pretty much no excuses to not blow everyone’s minds so they better deliver. cattiva_lol

teal iron
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Considering GTA 5 is like
Trash, I imagine GTA 6 will follow suit

simple aurora
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GTA 6 having the kind of buggy memes like Scarlet and Violet and it'll be game over.

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Or Cyberpunk 2077 all over again.

teal iron
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GTA 5 doesn't even look flashy, or have some deep nostalgia, it only works because it satisfies the innate human desire for base violent as a solution to any minor inconvenience

zealous crow
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I alone have 3 copies of palworld 1 for PS5 pro 2 for steam

peak folio
simple aurora
teal iron
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WHich yeah GTA 6 will probably do that but the question is whether it'll sell enough to offset whatever utterly astronomical production budget it has

simple aurora
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Let's also not forget the potential price tag of $100.

zealous crow
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I wonder if they have kaizo mods for those games 4 especially

peak folio
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Speak of the devil

teal iron
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I believe it is possible that if GTA6 demands too much of its users, it can flop

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if only because they've probably sunk more into this game than many companies have ever made in their entire lifetime

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and so it would have to be an incredible success to actually be a success at all

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And the economy is just not the same desaturated undersold market of players who are desparate for something, anything to play

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if you aren't bringing something real and good to the table, the casuals will just close your pop-up and turn on fortnite

peak folio
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It can definitely flop.

teal iron
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Or, ironically, they'll just play GTAV LatLaugh3

peak folio
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But unless they’re doing the same thing as everybody else rn it’s not going to.

rare coral
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Some real armchair marketing analysis over here.

teal iron
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actually I'm sitting in an office chair

hearty sonnet
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I'm in the club giving someone a lap dance right now

peak folio
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Why are you on Discord?

prime valley
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Fr

hearty sonnet
teal iron
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I will contort reality as needed to prove that GTA 6 will flop

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it's already a flop in my heart.

sick flame
rare coral
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My only take here is that people have waited so long for this game that the sheer momentum alongside GTA online is all the game really needs. Just ask actual people.

teal iron
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I wonder if that'll hold true when the $200 price tag hits

peak folio
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People will buy $700 consoles to play that game, they probably don’t care.

teal iron
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hmm
I need to wreck the economy, it seems

rare coral
rare coral
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Same with Fortnite, the Battle Royale isn't even the big thing anymore. It's the content farm tucked away behind it.

peak folio
rare coral
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GTA online shows you don't need to invest in single player if your just reinventing second life again for the nth time. croajirokek

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Most folks own VR just to play second life VR chat.

teal iron
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Tbf playing almost any other game in vr just causes motion sickness

peak folio
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For some reason this reminds me of Playstation Home or whatever the heck it was called

teal iron
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source: i've tried it

peak folio
rare coral
peak folio
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Sims are arguably the best use.

rare coral
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Rip ED's VR support

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Was awesome until odyssey dropped

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I also enjoyed House of the Dying Sun.

peak folio
#

Being in a seat both in game and in life has the least proprioception issues for most people.

rare coral
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Sadly I ended up giving away my goggles. And VR chat bounced right off me.

teal iron
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It's definitely a good thing I don't have a VR headset I would have no life outside of VR Chat

peak folio
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PSVR 2 looked like a well thought out kit and even had an adapter to use the hmd with a PC, but it’s pretty much a black sheep in the lineup.

rare coral
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Honestly .hack// had VR figured out before it was invented. Headset for camera control, and use a regular controller.

teal iron
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like the minute I figured out how to get lunaris as an avatar, i would just never be heard from again

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this pfp looked better in photoshop

rare coral
sick flame
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i forgot 1 more edit

tranquil obsidian
teal iron
rare coral
olive ravine
tranquil obsidian
#

pabianice

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it's from Poland

clever jungle
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Used to be a big vr gamer but nothing has caught my interest in a while

hearty sonnet
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VR = Very Real

peak folio
peak folio
clever jungle
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Can’t argue with that

teal iron
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it's just really...difficult

clever jungle
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I stopped because if the ps5 has no games then vr has less then nothing

teal iron
#

like, in ever conceivable way

clever jungle
#

Oh for sure it is

peak folio
#

Negative gaemz

teal iron
#

difficult to program for
difficult to obtain
difficult to set up
and it seems to REALLY strain the human body

clever jungle
#

I have broken vr games in every possible way, but that’s part of the charm for me

maiden narwhal
#

I'd love to have a better vr mmo, but Zenith ain't it...

teal iron
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most vr games i've seen are either a PC game that has a VR mode, or are glorified tech demos

clever jungle
teal iron
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Now granted I don't actually own a VR, I only see it when someone else lets me try theirs

peak folio
#

Beat Saber still the killer app

teal iron
#

but basically if you're not using VR Chat then you're doing something incredibly niche

clever jungle
maiden narwhal
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did they shut down? I just know the game's paywalled beyond the starting area, and most of the key mmo features are behind said wall

clever jungle
#

Depends on your genre tho I love vr gun games

clever jungle
teal iron
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not saying vr doesn't have any quality content but like

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You aren't missing out on any big games by not owning the headset

clever jungle
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The gun sim side of vr is really cool and some of the most fun I have ever had gaming

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But like beyond that it has nothing really

teal iron
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whereas saying no to even a Switch 2 is saying no to a lot of pretty good games, and that goes tenfold for a PS5

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Big games, I mean

peak folio
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HMDs are still too big
Game designs still immature

teal iron
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Like for how long the tech has existed, there are basically 0 donkey kong bananazas or ratchet and clanks for VR

clever jungle
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It’s all about the genre really

teal iron
#

I mean I was never terribly interested in any of the games on PS5 but like
They're pretty big games

peak folio
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VR is a strange choice for a platformer

teal iron
#

you guys are missing the point

clever jungle
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VR rock climbing is cool

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No I kinda get what you are saying

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But my thing is like how I didn’t buy a ps5 because the games don’t interest I’m not buying a switch 2. Now my vr headset I have put over 1000 hours into and was worth it for me

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Not for everyone but it is very dependent on what you want to play

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Friendslop and guns are super fun on it but everything else sucks

teal iron
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you'd think the tech would've become affordable and games would've become abundant by now

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i think there was a time when a PC???
for gaming????
stupid and overpriced.
And now it's considered the standard, the norm.

peak folio
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VR popularity has always oscillated but it never became a standard thing.

clever jungle
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It is a massive industry and I know so many house holds who have and play vr but you are right in the fact it has no games

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It’s been a dead space for about 2 years

clever jungle
teal iron
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I mean when you have to buy a $300 headset and that's if you're ok with lizard man, and half the time you need to ALSO have a high-end PC, and then you get motion sickness after 10 minutes and there's no revolutionary titles that aren't also available on PC

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Heck if you want a real headset I think that runs you as much as a high-end PC, and you're expected to ALSO have a high-end PC

clever jungle
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The price point doesn’t really justify it you are right there

teal iron
#

It's a huge material investment, and there's not a critical mass of investment on either user or developers to make it a sustaining thing

peak folio
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The motion sickness problem is often because of issues with proprioception.

teal iron
#

it's the brown dwarf of gaming

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It's got all the right stuff, but it just isn't compacting enough to initiate fusion

hearty sonnet
teal iron
peak folio
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If what you’re seeing is different from what your body is doing it tends to mess some people up.

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That’s why sims do well in VR, you’re sitting in a chair in both worlds.

clever jungle
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It is a very niche thing that I think everyone should try once but I don’t see it becoming the norm until 1 the hardware gets way better or cheaper and 2 there is some sort of treadmill

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Those 2 things would entice a lot more people but for now it is just a fun niche thing

clever jungle
#

That being said I am excited to get back into no man’s sky by playing it in vr

analog gate
analog gate
teal iron
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my older brother doesn't seem bothered by it, maybe that's why he flies planes and is the only person in my family who owns a VR headset or has ever been even vaguely interested in one (besides me)

analog gate
teal iron
#

meanwhile, if I so much as turn on my 3ds I immediately feel the vomit cannon charging up to fire

peak folio
#

There were people who have vomited trying to play Descent outside of VR so milage definitely varies.

teal iron
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The few times I've used VR it was definitely a fun experience but when I removed the headset I felt like I was put in that thing they use to prepare astronauts for the g-forces of launching into space

peak folio
#

You can’t do RL anymore

clever jungle
#

I have only ever gotten motion sickness the first time I tried to fly a plane in vr so I am one of the lucky few who are basically completely fine

teal iron
#

it's not just motion sickness there was like
A certain kind of sensation idk words for

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but I'm pretty sure the giant spinny machine also causes it

clever jungle
#

Yeah I get ya, it is the weirdest feeling. It’s not something that can really be described with words either

peak folio
teal iron
#

it's like, just all of the body feels strained

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Similar feeling to if you ride on a very unstable object, like a ride mower across uneven terrain, and then step off

peak folio
#

I like how you say a ride mower as an example over riding a bike.

teal iron
#

I can't say I've gotten that feeling from a bike

#

also riding a bike is itself physically demanding

night plume
#

A riding mower is a completely different feeling from a bike lol

peak folio
#

Compared to a mower?

teal iron
#

so obviously you will feel a certain soreness and tension because you were literally operating a crank engine with your feet

peak folio
#

So you’re not talking about the motion…

teal iron
#

a ride mower you basically sit in a chair and only your ankle and hands do any real work, but like when you drive across bumpy terrain your body gets really tense trying to maintain a kind of stasis, and when you get off all of that tension starts releasing and it makes everything feel funny

peak folio
#

In that sense not sure how you get that in VR..

teal iron
#

The times I've used VR I got that same feeling but also things I regularly associate with motion sickness

night plume
#

Oh, I know what that is

peak folio
#

hm..

teal iron
#

maybe that feeling is a common symptom between motion sickness and whatever riding a mower is

#

obviously I do not get motion sickness driving a tractor

night plume
#

I get it from a tredmill xD

Basically your eyes and equilibrium feel like you are still moving when you are stationary.

peak folio
teal iron
#

yeah but it's just another barrier to entry

peak folio
#

And not just the sensation of moving around in a mount.

teal iron
#

and I'll admit the setup in the room was NOT ideal

#

almost half the space was blocked by an air matress

#

and the cord for the headset was very short

#

so I could never get comfortable

peak folio
#

Ah okay yeah.

teal iron
#

that is
comfortable with the whole motion virtual reality thing not a factor

peak folio
#

That’s not going away in this case

#

You do need space for it

peak folio
#

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rare coral
jaunty kraken
peak folio
peak folio
humble parrot
#

Bucky applies

tranquil obsidian
#

Bucky just starts poaching all the Devs

hearty sonnet
#

Those other devs will make a fine pelt

maiden narwhal
#

been a hot miniute since I watched some high level Melee content, hype as usual. best enjoyed drunk and stuffin your face as well https://youtu.be/-SS-A4UOtlU?si=i5z4n80p5cRHOC6W

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maiden narwhal
#

HELL YEAH!!! game 5 last stock! edge of your seat seeing who's gonna flub first

maiden narwhal
#

I gotta give that guy some credit, cuz I thought he was some rando until the commentators said he won a few majors. I remember a few big names like Wizzrobe, Axe, Leffen, Ice, DERDIAN (super fun Icies player), but imma lookout for this guy Cody. he wouldn't have fallen for spam knees

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my word.... this was 9 years ago. Ice v Armada, and that movement! iconic clip at 4:40 https://youtu.be/kSqQcH96IZQ?si=3bN0Xb_3Xy0yCKQ3&t=280

jaunty kraken
maiden narwhal
#

i remember seeing that name before, IBDW. now he goes by Cody? that's wassup. but yeah, I haven't really watched melle content since... 2015?

long shard
#

my cat bit my arm and he drew blood

jaunty kraken
maiden narwhal
#

if it was a dog that drew blood.... that would be tragic news for the family pet. idk the rules for cats

long shard
#

i have to bop/pop sparky to let him know he cant bite me

maiden narwhal
#

not me thinkin of yeeting it across the room for good measure croajirokek (I'm not abusive I swear)

long shard
maiden narwhal
#

gotta put pets in their place sometimes, is all teehee can't have him thinkin it's ok to do again

long shard
#

i wasn't doin' anythin' to him

#

he randomly decided to bite me for no reason

#

he could be wanting attention, play biting, or stressed

maiden narwhal
#

idk... play bite outta nowhere, hard enough to draw blood? that sounds like more than playing to me. might wanna roll dice for Dominance check

novel sun
sick flame
teal iron
#

#off-topic-memes message my little brother explaining to the grass in my yard but instead of a well it's the baffling lack of rainfall the past month or so

jaunty kraken
simple aurora
#

Bottom line is unless it's something unique like the Nemesis system, no one should be patenting basic gameplay elements. Period.

teal iron
#

no one should be patenting gameplay elements ever period end of discussion

#

I'm sorry but your weird sketch of how your game works is not technology, you can cry about it to the copyright office instead if someone steals it

simple aurora
snow thistle
#

Literally none of these patents are filed by GameFreak.

#

You guys really need to stop getting so worked up over all this, especially when so much of what is said in this Discord isn't even correct.

#

Just wait for official news and stop falling for all these random headlines and tweets cat_cry

hollow anvil
#

Random headlines & tweets > Read the patent 😎

teal iron
#

Arrogantly assuming I even read the headline at this point

sacred mango
#

*dramatization makes money monogusa_prison *

teal iron
#

I see "nintendo" and "patent" and my rage immediately rends the earth in two

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and not like, rage at nintendo but rage at YET ANOTHER CLICKBAIT ARTICLE

rustic basin
#

just call nintendos mascot wario

solid sun
#

just win the lawsuit Bucky it's that simple.

#

then nobody has to get worked up anymore

#

we all believe you can do it

fathom vigil
rare coral
#

Unfortunately while creating features draws positive reception, removing existing features draws negative reception twofold and persists like an infected wound. People will continue to chase what could have been or what something once was.

#

Imagine Yoshida's reaction to people wanting a "WoW classic" of FFXIV before a realm reborn for example. croajirokek

hearty sonnet
#

FFXIV before ARR was terrible lmao

rare coral
#

"No, you really don't want this."

peak folio
#

Nintendo actually considering system level achievements?

#

🤯

#

Doesn’t mean they’ll actually do it, but still..

solid sun
zinc depot
#

Not worth getting angry at, just laugh at them

peak folio
#

I doubt this is a lawfare patent

#

Just something to potentially tie into their coin system.

kindred sleet
#

Yessss faten them up for the frying pan....bout to make me some rat burgers

peak folio
peak folio
rare coral
bronze mesa
tranquil obsidian
#

took a second to see the rat

peak folio
#

Oh I get it, it works best when the letters are graffiti chonky

#

Uth Duna had to cheat with the fins

night plume
#

Theybare just accents on the letters, like the gecko feet

peak folio
#

The feet aren’t half the silhouette though.

#

The Among Us is a super basic example that shows cutting out as little volume as possible

unborn mauve
sick flame
night plume
#

@onyx grotto who are you?

onyx grotto
#

Just a random dude, sorry if I bothered you

#

TBH, I looked up Rita's name in the search bar and wanted to see if there was anyone who knew about her so I could share her Fortnite icon with them because I found it to be funny. Once again sorry if I bothered you

night plume
#

Glad to see you aren't a bot.
I did chuckle from it, I love Rita Repulsa

onyx grotto
#

Shame she isn't an actual skin tho...

night plume
#

Her breast plate might be a little overboard, even with their jokes.

onyx grotto
#

We did get Lord Zedd tho

night plume
#

Hopefully there is detail so he doesn't look like a meat blob lol

earnest turret
#

Y’all I’m struggling with a problem since new update. Sometimes when I’m playing game kicks me out of experience to main menu and then appears notification. What am I supposed to do with that, I already fixed my files etc. Does anyone know?

peak folio
worthy onyx
teal iron
#

oh no they're AI generating mario now

#

the clickbaiters cannot get away with this

zinc depot
#

Ai pokemon game when

mental summit
#

Sometimes, you just need that final push

glad needle
jaunty kraken
solid sun
# jaunty kraken https://x.com/SEGA/status/1968752009604919362?t=dK_gNBx6f-0h97gw_m0eng&s=19

seen videos saying, it has no balance what so ever.
When in other cart racers you could either be a front runner like in mario kart, or bank on bagging strats, or like in crash team racing just through sheer driving gain an insane lead, because weapons can't catch up to fast driving speeds, this game is just super random and you get hit all the time, and can go from 1 to last place in a few item hit stun locks.

tranquil obsidian
#

the most unbalanced racers tend to be the more successful ones

#

turns out when anyone can win at any time, player retention remains high cause theres always a chance

long shard
#

another day of being attacked by 3 sea monsters

astral breach
storm cypress
#

would AI generated pokemon be satire? and thereby legal

solid sun
tranquil obsidian
#

same, i loved CTR:NF

#

but a big problem it ran into was that races were basically decided in the first 20 seconds as once you got the lead you just held it forever

#

the larger market much prefers an "anyone can win" approach, and so unbalanced racers tend to perform better.

odd mesa
#

I think a fox for Ako would be inefficient yaethink_anyuki

#

But I'm not as creative as those peeps anyway

solid sun
peak folio
snow thistle
#

Toby is basically Japanese at this point 😄

#

Which reminds me…

#

In a few weeks 🙂

teal iron
#

i thought this was a calendar and that an entire 3 or 4 weekends in a row was undertale orchestra

#

"wow, undertale has enough music for 5 days of performances"

maiden narwhal
full mountain
simple aurora
#

Just like how privileged CEOs treat average people.

teal iron
#

Come on, man
Another clickbait article?

#

You could be playing palworld right now

sacred mango
#

-# How many of these articles are there? thinking_mono

glad needle
#

All corpos are corrupt. Even Jesus said it was easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to get into Heaven

teal iron
teal iron
#

and it keeps working

#

people keep reposting them

#

people keep clicking them

#

people keep seeing the ads on the page and clicking the inline links spammed through the entire introduction, seeing more ads

#

these guys are making BANK on things that are probably completely made-up

sacred mango
#

I see these articles as mostly speculation. Huge doubt any of this is confirmed. Only thing confirmed right now is **Nintendo is suing PocketPair 👀 ** (with patents yes no yes no thinking_prison )

teal iron
#

I see them as mostly fabrication at this point

#

The only good they do is that they bring more attention to palworld which means more players which means more revenue for the company

#

and the gains there are probably marginal at best

sacred mango
#

Yeah. I always see at least one article regarding the l a w s u i t every time I scroll on google while I am on a short break. Attention does sell. thinking_mono

#

-# I don't pay enough attention to it however. I've seen and heard enough. croajirokek

snow thistle
#

It isn’t. At all.

sacred mango
#

-# It could always be worse.

frozen bluff
#

A good practice is to wait for official sources to say something

sacred mango
#

Definitely

frozen bluff
# sacred mango Definitely

Honestly, this can be said for a lot of things, but since the subject is the lawsuit, if people don't engage with the hundreds of articles about it that are focusing on every single patent introduced and every single move either side makes, said people will be a LOT less stressed about it. Personally, I'm not stressed about it at all.

This isn't like an episode of Judge Judy where every little thing can mean major differences; it's just long, boring lawfare with a million lines to read between.

sacred mango
#

-# and the countless amount of times Bucky steps in and denounces many conversations regarding this thinking_mono

frozen bluff
sacred mango
#

I've occasionally come across some discussions here. thinking_mono
-# probably dumb luck

frozen bluff
sacred mango
#

I used to get those a lot recommended to me. (Only bothered to watch like a couple or something idk it's been a while)

frozen bluff
sacred mango
teal iron
#

so the entire commentary is based on who they see step outside to use the restroom

frozen bluff
#

It's like uhhhh

#

It's like fantasy football without the betting

#

Hell maybe there is betting. I don't know, I don't gamble

sacred mango
#

gambling mono_nooooo

frozen bluff
#

Don't gamble, kids

#

Bad for ya health

sacred mango
#

But yeah, the Nintendo v. Pocketpair situation isn't something I stress over.
-# I've got more pressing matters that demand that I lock in mono_gaming

frozen bluff
cold hatch
sacred mango
#

-# Although, it is kinda fun to speculate on my own every once in a while. thinking_mono

sacred mango
frozen bluff
sacred mango
#

Precisely!

frozen bluff
cold hatch
#

yes but its lost all hype the only thing you hear about it is because of the predatory lawsuit by nen. its better to take a step back and find a DIFFRENT WAY

frozen bluff
#

This one, if you are curious

cold hatch
#

its basically a rebranding somewhat

sacred mango
cold hatch
#

boys play pokemon, men enslave them

frozen bluff
# cold hatch yes but its lost all hype the only thing you hear about it is because of the pre...

Not this far into development it's not. That'd be reversing over a year's worth of work on the early access game, on top of however many years Palworld was in development BEFORE the early access release. That'd be the dumbest thing they could do.

As of now there are ~19,000 people playing the game, which is a pretty solid number given it's a Thursday night and 12:20 AM. Comparing it to games like Deep Rock Galactic and Terraria (~5.6k and ~13k respectively), that's a good figure.

#

Obviously it'll never climb back to the 2.2 million figure it was at, when it launched. That was a huge anomaly

fresh shard
#

My base is half human who I threw onto the surgery table so they can no longer sleep while the Pals sleepchikipisus

frozen bluff
#

But consistency is king. And that's the real thing that determines success, concurrent players.

cold hatch
#

little by little nen will chip away game mechanics but i really do think rebranding is the best move to rejuvenate the games traction.

sacred mango
sacred mango
cold hatch
#

im not saying the game is dead im saying there better options pocket can take, rebranding brings in new traction while dodging the lawsuit.

sacred mango
#

I doubt we'll lose more

sacred mango
#

-# ||Pocketpair's resolve is stronger croajirokek ||

rare coral
#

this feels like bait

cold hatch
#

im being dead as

#

your saying its dumb to dodge a lawsuit from a billion dollar company and release to a washed player base

fresh shard
frozen bluff
# cold hatch im not saying the game is dead im saying there better options pocket can take, r...

Rebranding runs the risk of pissing off all the players who bought and play palworld for the game it is now. It wouldn't be in their best interest to do that explicitly because that'll hurt them more than help. Rebranding is all around a terrible idea.

You're talking several years' worth of time, money, and effort going into changing everything up from what it is now. At that point, it really is just cheaper and easier to deal with litigation like they are now

cold hatch
#

🦁 🎣 🐒

sacred mango
frozen bluff
sacred mango
#

It's a great benchmark
-# ||I am scared of cuteness however mono_depressed ||

frozen bluff
#

Anyway, on to dinner, and the next project

#

Take it easy y'all 🤙

cold hatch
#

all ima say is rebranding brings in more benefits. Nothing will happen if the game is release, will there be something new? no will have what we already have,

icy yoke
#

I’ll rebrand your face

teal iron
#

actually rebranding tends to be devastating to a brand

teal iron
#

Oh wait this is like an actual argument

simple aurora
teal iron
#

against my better judgement i am going to retort that nintendo's contempt for the modding community has been known since the modding community existed

simple aurora
#

They just have no chill towards them.

#

Even treating them like they don't exist in modern gaming for a lawsuit.

simple aurora
teal iron
#

but the citation is an off-handed comment, not any legally backed claim

sacred mango
#

It's no surprise that Nintendo is extremely stringent with how their community uses their IPs. thinking_mono

scarlet geode
#

Guys I came to this discord to specifically share this because I think its just to big brain in fighting the nintendo patent..
There patent i think is illigal because it would give them a monopoly.
And monopolys from my understanding in the USA are illigal.
And since they are using the usa patent system they would have to abide by that rule

simple aurora
#

To the point of going out of their way demanding permission for their games to be used in a Speedrun charity event.

rare coral
scarlet geode
hearty sonnet
scarlet geode
#

Didn't know that will moce it there

snow thistle
#

Any person who talks about the lawsuit in a silly way will be sent to a private room where they can't escape unless they beat the original DOOM, on the hardest difficulty, with a dance pad.

#

While watching the bee movie.

hearty sonnet
#

I think I could pull that off

jaunty kraken
teal iron
snow thistle
#

Your Ultrakill posting has been in overdrive recently Derfo. Don't think I haven't noticed.

#

I have noted it.

hearty sonnet
#

Although respawning enemies is pretty brutal

#

NGL

#

Derfo mono_raise

sacred mango
snow thistle
#

If you keep up the Ultrakill posting then I warn you now...something very bad...or perhaps something very good...will happen.

teal iron
#

Derfo now stands at a crossroads

rare coral
hearty sonnet
teal iron
#

down one road, not posting ultrakill
the other, gambling 🎲 ♦️♣️♥️♠️ 🎲

hearty sonnet
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I like DUSK more than Ultrakill

drifting fjord
snow thistle
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Pals don't actually bleed

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So V1 would simply die on Palpagos

hearty sonnet
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Humans tho

teal iron
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ok this is huge information

snow thistle
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I just made that up

drifting fjord
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Yo huge lore drop?!

snow thistle
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Pals dont bleed in the game because it would be 18+ rating then

teal iron
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nope it's canon

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you have to get someone to write a journal entry stating otherwise

snow thistle
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If Pals exploded into pools of blood then the game would be hidden in the depths of Steam by all the rating agencies

rare coral
drifting fjord
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V1 when entering any game without blood and gore effects: 💀

teal iron
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if pals exploded into pools of blood tbh I would want it hidden in the depths

hearty sonnet
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I wanna gib Chillet

sacred mango
rare coral
snow thistle
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Special case

jaunty kraken
sacred mango
snow thistle
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A one off doesn't hurt the ratings

drifting fjord
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Guess my metal element V1 pal idea won’t work ‘cause the poor thing would starve croajirokek

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“Here eat this salad I made you”
Sad beep boop

teal iron
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isn't the entire thing pixelated to heck

hearty sonnet
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ULTRAVIOLENCE

teal iron
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or we calling all the floating blood vessels and nerve endings "blood and violence"

teal iron
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I get the feeling derfo is going to become more environmentally conscious in the near future...

rare coral
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all this shooter talk makes me wanna try I Am Your Beast.

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it's been in my backlog

sacred mango
sacred mango
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-# A lot of games are on my bucket list however thinking_mono

hearty sonnet
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Even DOOM 3

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Even DOOM 64

rare coral
sacred mango
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Now that I have the ability to do so mono_gaming

hearty sonnet
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DOOM 1, 2 & 64 are so old that you cannot jump or aim up/down lmao

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So have fun with that

hollow anvil
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I played at lot doom wads back then on my potato laptop lol

hearty sonnet
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I first played DOOM on a PC when I was a weeeeee lad

sacred mango
hearty sonnet
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Wolfenstein, DOOM and then DN3D

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And basically every other game from that era

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MDK

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That was a weird one

rare coral
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I was a big UT guy

hearty sonnet
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I am obsessed with boomer shooters lol

zinc depot
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There were a sequel

hearty sonnet
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My body craves them

zinc depot
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Mdk 2

hollow anvil
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I started from doom > doom 2 > quake > hexen