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He could have sent the notification on the day of release and not late after 3 months to premiere
When I logged in it told me it was required so I thought nothing of it.
I didn’t know PSN was unavailable in more than half the planet, lol
That fries my brain a little bit.
I’m guessing they don’t sell digital only consoles there.
So…does this mean I’m NOT going to get to hear an orchestra play the Helldivers 2 drop theme at The Game Awards…?😭
Quoting Bucky | Palworld & Craftopia (@Bucky_cm)
Can't wait to hear the Helldivers 2 drop theme played by an orchestra at @thegameawards this year! 🔥

R.I.P Helldivers
It seems like the long and short of it is there’s a real issue of what to do about Steam sales that can’t connect to PSN, but the discord staff blew up the whole thing sky high.
The peoples who bought the game are to blame because PSN was announced a month before the premiere
Uh..
However, counterpoint - they sold the game to people they knew would not be able to sign up to a PSN account
Sony never restricted the sale of the game or told Steam to restrict it.
the fact they sold the game to countries where having a psn account wasnt an option will very easily be used against them as an argument of no intent to enforce
Saw this review, idk if there's truth to it
This forced change by SONY directly contradicts their stated language on their official website that said (said is an important word here because it's past tense) you would not need to connect to a PSN account to play a game on Steam. This statement on the OFFICIAL SONY WEBSITE was changed incognito with no announcement or warning. This is because SONY KNOWS that they misled people and changed the words after the fact in the hope that no one noticed. We did.
I wouldn’t be surprised if moderators said that, but that’s kind of exactly the problems
Honestly I just hope that Sony suffer massively for this
But due to a failure, it was switched to optional logging. I don't know why players from all over the world can buy the game when PSN was announced earlier
Wish they hadn't screwed the HD2 community for it, but of all the ones to piss off.. I can certainly see worse ones
Especially since pre-order was enabled on January 9
People don't read, they just look at the quality game
The fact they switched it to allow people to play without a PSN account, and sold it to people in countries where a PSN account is not allowed, it's all on their own heads
It's not really the player's faults for this inconsistency
Did any of the players report this?
report what
Hasn't it been the policy of Sony to not require PSN connection if you buy on Steam?
Didn't they say that publicly repeated times in the past years?
It's unclear, however it wouldn't be the public's requirement to report, it'd be the publisher's obligation to not sell where prohibited
becuase the notification prompt was tied to psn, players from regions where psn wasnt available didnt get the prompt because their game couldnt conect to the servers to trigger the prompt; as such unless they were picking through every tos with a fine tooth comb, theyd have missed it.
It was Optional, but they changed the wording like yesterday I think
I don't know how it works on PC, because they recently announced the games will be released on Steam
So really there's no blame outside of Sonys
ngl, ive seen some of the cms from that discord and im genuinely curious why the hell theyre kept around
friend of a friend
HD2 much like Palworld was a surprise success and people were stuck in queues. The last thing they were worried about were psn logins later.
About this event earlier, players who do not have PSN and it is required from the very beginning can buy the game
did steam know about this or CM?
But when it came up that a lot of people who bought the game can’t fulfill that requirement the community team did like everything wrong
basically, for three months, the game just let you play without a PSN. effectively, psn wasnt required, but there was some fine print that said it was.
so everyone is angry that they can, and did, let everyone play anyway and are now, 3 months later, sudenly enforcing it
Yes and no.
yes and yes
When I logged it I was told it was required. Everyone I know saw that, but for regions outside PSN jurisdiction, they claim to have never gotten the prompt.
I have never found an article that PSN has been completely disabled when there are login problems. They didn't even mention that it would be withdrawn permanently
Because it opens a browser window for the appropriate region to login.
Steam product sale restrictions are setup and done by the owner of the page.
Back and skip huh
"Required" "Skip"
given SIE is based in california i cant really speak on american laws, especially californian ones, but in many countries there is a difference between telling someone something is required (notification, no consideration) and prohibiting it unless you do (enforcement and consideration)
The 2011 PlayStation Network outage (sometimes referred to as the PSN Hack) was the result of an "external intrusion" on Sony's PlayStation Network and Qriocity services, in which personal details from approximately 77 million accounts were compromised and prevented users of PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable consoles from accessing the serv...
letting you "skip" shows a lack of intent to enforce which can very easily be used against them
I remember that, couldn’t get online for months.
They gave away free games for such an extended downtime
Honestly that prompt is not only misleading, but incorrect - "It's required" then has Skip.. not Skil x times, or any warning that it'll be enforced
it introduced me to inFamous. fun series.
idk is updated 🤔
They have shut down access due to issues previously, and also done a piss poor job of communicating the issue, it's not the first or last time
By the fact there was a skip option they can't claim they couldn't update the UI to warn players
People usually don’t go high and low in the fine print of a game hey just bought, they’ll just dive in and if it works for three months then great.
Especially if a friend in the same area can play
I wouldn’t go and call them filthy pirates for being in the wrong country.
Just like when I buy games on disc and check the hardware requirements 😆
Yeah those get returned a lot
So it’s a sensitive situation that Arrowhead’s community team kind of messed up.
Just a smidge. 🤏
in 2007 I bought the game for PLN 170 ($42 USD) and the game did not work because my PC did not meet the hardware requirements
Well that’s minimum requirements
They are even happier when it does not meet your requirements but it works
Seems like one mod over there has been picking on a popular ex Blizzard fellow which really can’t be helping things. 🙄
They should do a telenovela
What a crappy situation
If I was a PlayStation executive, I would not have required account linking for @helldivers2.
Instead I would have given some free PlayStation character cosmetics to anyone who did link their account to PlayStation.
Everyone would have won with almost no drama.
In an alternate timeline chicken taste like beef, while beef taste like pork while pork taste like chicken
that's not how you tell the joke
"In an alternate timeline chicken tastes beef and everything else tastes like bacon"
I was telling my own . . .
But you're just swapping flavors that's not a joke
Womp womp
but when you grab the common knowledge of everything tastes like chicken and you swap it to bacon, then you've got the "start" of a joke
This is an elitist off topic channel sir, I'll have you step out of the veheheicle if you cause a ruckus
🤫🧏♂️
Good evening y'all, how's everyone doin?
Does fish, still taste like fish?
My arm hurts 😠
How are you doing?
Still at work over on my end, hope your day is going good
I'm doing alright. Now on break after dealing with equipment failure because they decided to overload one of the furnaces 🙃. What did you do to your arm?
Aw dang :(((
Yeee, at least the excitement made the time go by
Oh no! Did it get fixed I’m guessing?
I got my last shot today for immigrating with a horrid nurse. She didn’t wash or sterilise her hands, she didn’t sterilise the injection site, she was a bit rough and she never gave me a plaster so I got blood on my nice jacket
Ouch. Hopefully it doesn't get infected... Do they not follow sterilization procedures?
And yes we got it fixed
They should have but I was nervous and already scared and feeling lousy so I didn’t wanna pick a fight over something
Man I would have fought 100%
Don't be bringing any dirty ass hands or anything near me if you're gonna stick a Needle in my arm.
I’m no good in confrontation. I told her I was frightened of needles and she proceeded to wave the thing in my face and explain why it was important I “get over it”
So, did the thing, got to the car and my mom was shopping, had an anxiety attack and now I’m exhausted
Yeah I'd be pissed lmao
I think she was just having a bad day
Maybe, but that's no excuse to violate the Hippocratic oath :/
People here can lose their jobs if they do that
Yeah kinda the price you pay for that unfortunately x.x
I mean I’ll take it over paying anymore money for immigration right now
But im hopeful I don’t get an infection
It's gonna get blamed on me one way or the other, even if I don't work in the responsible department
Same, hopefully you don't
Up your vitamin C intake
I got alcohol rub in the house and orange juice and a plaster
Oh lol well im sorry then
So I’m hoping that’s enough
I break equipment all the time lmao
I’m hoping I get a couple commissions in the next few days to cover the last of my expenses for London and then I’m set
Bell peppers and strawberries are better sources of vitamin C, for future reference
I fished out some old clothes for the interview that need a good wash and press
Strawberries will kill me
Fun fact
Well, not so fun for me
You're probably the reason I keep getting called out there :p
Allergic?
Yup
Damn
Maybe but I fix it enough for the next guy to break it
It’s not so bad although I like the smell of it
My dad drinks strawberry milk a lot and I always think it smells divine
Huh
Hahaha
Nah they overloaded a furnace and trashed one of the burner jackets and burners
We had to replace both and wait for them to clear it out
Ahh
That would make the issue worse 😂
This is why I don’t work with dangerous things
Hahaha
Not many do, but I don't blame them
Don’t ever hire me for something potentially dangerous
You gotta pass a mechanical aptitude and a welding test to even get an offer
Weird story but a plug thing got stuck in my outlet and I thought that if I turned the outlet off I’d be fine wedging a metal screwdriver in to wiggle the part out
I was 25, got a brief shock where everything went blue for a sec and it felt like I got punched in the chest
Came to on the floor and uh yeah
I’m no longer allowed tools or anything apparently
💀 Turning off an outlet doesn't mean there's no power going to it. You gotta flip the breaker switch powering that circuit
Okay I know that now
Now I just don’t do anything helpful when it comes to DIY or anything
Never use anything metal when fucking around with even a possibly live circuit.. if you're not sure don't do anything except kill the power and get someone who does - it's mush safer than you potentially getting a lethal zap
Weirdly enough it didn’t go bbbbzzzzt it just went pop
Yeah the Bzzzt thing isn't really a thing with electric shocks, as it's an energy dump, right into you
Yeee, you gotta be careful with that stuff.
It’s a wonder I survived childhood sometimes and adulthood
Not the brightest crayon in the box
You might hear circuits buzz and stuff, but you won't generally hear any kind of warning before you get blasted across a room
Movies and TV kinda overexaggerate what happens. It's an instantaneous thing more often than not
Reason being is that you suddenly become the circuit, and it's so fast it's insane
Now we had one of the giant electrodes in the SRF contact the ground and make a huge, bright arc of electricity that made the loud bzzzzttt noise
THAT was pretty cool
Oh yeah, if a transformer goes pop or a main power line falls down, then you get all sorts of pretty sounds and sparks.. shortly before the fires
Indeed. Welp gotta wrap up my day y'all. Take it easy
Also Egg - when you go over to the USA, their power grid works differently to ours (50hz here, 60 over there, and usually 120v at the plug over there compared to 230 here.)
So you might find if you plug some things in they behave really strangely, and if you plug stuff from the USA in over here, if it's not correctly rated it'll literally blow up
Reading this convo reminded me of when my friend tried to throw water on a grease fire
Mother in law brought a plug in thermal blanket from the states and plugged it in. I lost a monitor that day due to the breaker dying
Jesus. RIP
For anyone who doesn't know why this is bad
https://giphy.com/gifs/U9bZMaXINv6iQ
https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/safety/the-home/cooking/pan-fires/
Don't tackle the fire yourself and don't try to move the pan.
Never throw water over a fire as it could create a fireball.
Turn off the heat – but only if it's safe to do so.
Leave the room, close the door, shout a warning to others, and call 999.
If you are trained on how to use a fire blanket or similar go for it
I had never made homemade fries before. He told me he knew how, so I listened to him on how much grease in the pot, temperature, and how many fries.
It boiled over, caught fire. I immediately turned off the burner, used the mit to pull the pot off burner and asked him for a damp towel. Turn around for the damp towel and he has a giant bowl of water. I push him and the bowl to the floor, get my damp towel and smother the fire.
I can only imagine how much of your life flashed before your eyes when you saw that bowl
(Damp towel over the pan smothers the fire but you gotta be careful as too much moisture can just cause it to go pop)
https://imgur.com/a/W8bfqAJ Smells like Timber
As a child, I accidentally put water in a container of hot grease and it erupted all over my dad. When I saw that bowl in my friends hands, I realized he should NEVER be allowed in a kitchen bc we were not children in that kitchen that day.
Dampened it just enough so the towel didn't melt
Too many towels have stretchy stuff in them x.x
Unfortunatly, skills like this aren't seemingly taught in schools, and I believe they would genuinely save lives - how to deal with electrical faults, how to deal with a house fire / pan fire, how to deal with water spraying on sockets - stuff that's uncommon enough to not always happen, but you'll be bloody glad you know if it does
Also if a live powerline drops and you are close to it - put your feet together if you can't get away, and don't step, don't fucking move, as the distance between your feet can become an arc point apparently and pop
If you're in a car and it drops on the car, stay in it, don't touch ANYTHING even remotely metal
A classmate in high school begged me to take home economics with him. I declined, I already knew more than that joke of a class would teach. He wanted a buddy to pick up girls with in the class :p
The next semester, I see him, he had joined the class. He hated it, the put all the girls in one class, and all the guys in another xD the school knew what was going on lol.
The only skills taught in school as far as I understand are memorizing, discipline and study/research
I really want museli for some reason
they don't deal with skills well, they try to just do what youtube videos do nowadays
(I'll be fair, a fair few of these I've learned from experience rather than school)
When I was in high school, they taught you how to bake boxed brownies
I learned some woodwork skills, basic programming and logic gates with something called a Turtle and a physical emulation of traffic lights, and I chose to take the cooking and sewing classes
sure, I wish school was more skills focused
instead of wasting my time spending years to learn what often youtube can do faster
Pretty sure I told this here already, but my Mythology teacher taught the class the blanket stitch during a project. He wanted everyone to leave school with a useful sewing skill
Honestly, the amount of times the sewing class has been a lifesaver (Bust trousers at work? Gimme 5 and I'll patch them so you can get home)
We weren't taught a single practical thing outside of arts or physical exercise
worst part, they didn't even teach us a thing about our country
cause of the civil war
everything was "world related"
not even about the amendments
Nothing relating to our democractic times is taught in school
unless you're going ethics and only when 18
we don't get Spanish history
😦
that's haram
Our primary education and secondary is essentially math, languages, biology and arts
and some history and whatnot
That's rough man
nothing more, nothing less
well, we did tech, nvm
I took industrial tech and that was interesting, best choice I could have done
there's been attempts, mostly from the left to teach civics and whatnot but that's been bouncing around as a political beachball
At least you can try and catch up on lost time now
the US has a huge culture with extracurricular stuff, you guys really get out there to get into a good university
like, 10 times harder than anyone in Spain I can assure you
We go to football as extracurricular and we leave it at that
in the US you have a freaking two pages long list of achievements and contributions to the community, it's nuts and humbling
UK isn't too bad for schooling, I think it's dependant on where you are though in the USA as to the .. "quality" of the education
The USA does also seem to make a song and dance out of every stage of school
but as I said, due to how universities are set up, if you wanna do something in life you'll be surrounded by stuff to do that will teach you skills, extracurriculars, community things
we're purely school educated then jump to work, with 0 experience in any other thing in life
It is very diverse, yeah, confusing
but alas, I think that's a huge strength, it came up in a chat with my dad a couple months ago, he didn't really like the idea of allowing anyone from anywhere to pick the public school they want
cause then all the good public ones would be filled with rich kids for some bizarre logic
Yeah, that does happen
Yep
When it comes to how streamlined the process is, Spain is the opposite to complex, elaborate, intricate, however you wanna call it, we get one exam and that's the rest of your life
nothing to worry up to that point regarding grades unless you're talking the 2 years before university
Which I think is a good thing cause it makes it super easy and obvious for people to go into vocational school so it's a win for our economy
Education should be easy to get and get into, absolutely
It's because of the money
They learned how to make sports into a for-profit, outside of the NFL, and other major ends. They bleed it for everything they can.
I lowkey love how they do that, they should pay the kids what they're owed tho
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Thank you mods 🙏
Ain't in the mood to deal with the bot spam tonight lmfao
Indeed
How is everyone doing?
I can’t sleeeeeeep
im ok. how about ya, Cynic?
Doing better now that I'm work, but this world never fails to remind me that I'm single 😂
Nice nice
You should drink water
Truuuue I still gotta get that mineral water

I will once again remind you that high levels of sodium contribute to anxiety and restlessness
Pots o' gold water?
Depositing miner'ls
I know I’m a bad person 🥺 I’m gonna get some mineral water tomorrow I found some cheap
Glad you could find some!
Gets off work
Goes to restaurant because long day
gets seated and all that
Waitress: Introduces herself
Me: Nice to meet ya, I'm doing good
Her: Good! And are we expecting anyone else tonight?
Me: Looks at table, defeated
Tell them I was planning on coming but I got held up with a family emergency
But make it sound like I didn’t stand you up I don’t need a waitress thinking I’m awful UNLESS she’s cute in which case play the sympathy card and get her number and make me sound like a total bitch
I'm not mean 😂
It’s not mean if I give permission
Bruh.
This kind of thing happens way more often than I would like to admit
where's the "table for 1"?
At my apartment 🥲
It's half the reason I'm even dedicating the time to getting healthy and fit. So if I'm gonna be lonely and single, I might as well be fit and in good shape too
I refuse to grow old without seeing what my body is capable of
(He went to the beach that makes you old)
Too late I’m dead
What the fuck 😂
idk, mirrored from memes
best of the week
I just stocked my "greens" I love the smell of the house when there's a good harvest
Nice nice
I'm still in the house hunting phase
chillin'
That's good
how bout you?
Wow I just saw the closest finish in motor history I think
I'm home now, doin good and letting my food settle
And my driver won lol
🏎️
🚗
what odds?
Idk betting odds but larson won with a 0.00001 difference between second place
It made history lol
maybe you're the butterfly and that difference is the tornado
maybe you did this Harry
👍
Off to sleep I go, goodnight y'all
hey does anyone here know anything about PC's? i got a few questions if i could get some help
Good night
You’re a lizard Harry. A hairy wizard Harry.
Well well well.
yeeeee
the power of community
helldivers is saved
💀🗿
I'd argue that it's more crisis post-poned but this event has definetely wounded the devs, which sucks.
It's back 😄
Hello. It would be nice to have Maid outfits for girls, and butler outfit for men.
Even if with no stats.
Just a skin to find or make in the game. But it could have stats, also.
nah, maid and butler outfits for both body types.
don't be a pansy!
I don't think that would be pretty. I really like the traditional style for those things. = )
And it would be easier to make.
it would be even easier to not make outright :0
lol
Helldivers 2 drop theme remind me of Riftbreaker main theme
ai spoungebob is back
Stahp it
yo
that was good news to wake up to (helldivers).
@small berry Sony buckled 😆
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899732684161560636/1236968886574780436/1714968705559879.png?ex=6639f08c&is=66389f0c&hm=e59055348b91ad109e875deccee5589ce91a681c9fe191677c24d3bd29ba4658& (its an edited joke post dont take it seriously)
good mornin frens 
it kinda is
Morning Caos!

Ghost Of Tsushima releases soon on PC and will require a PSN account to play for the online aspect. We'll see how players respond when it's there from the start.
vpn
i feel most of the rage in the helldivers incident was the fact it was suddenly mandatory 3 months later
being required and mandatory from the start will obviously get some negative reception, but likely nowhere near on the same level. players who werent even able to play it to begin with cant exactly complain theyre being scammed
That's also a ps exclusive previously though, so that's allowed.
Ooof, 95,000 negative reviews yesterday for HD2 before the change of mind
Wonder if people will go back to playing it and just allow psn to get away with slapping a bandaid on it and saying sorry
It's pretty obvious that they're just showing crocodile tears to save their screw up
so whats your solution?
Me?
sony required psn, arrowhead didnt enforce it, annual review came up and sony noticed the number disparity and reminded people it was meant to be mandatory, not optional
it unfortunately had a lot of repurcussions for a lot of people as it was essentially too late to make it mandatory now
following the fallout, sony decided to backtrack it so everyone can go back to playing it
basically, everything's back to how it was, so what more do they need to do? youre clearly dissatisfied so what more would it take?
So 37,000 on 3 May, 71,000 on 4th May, 95,000 on 5th May..
I don't even play that game. You clearly read too much into what people write on the Internet. I stated an outside opinion in the form of a question, which was essentially "will people really buy it again after getting their refunds and such" due to the massive sour taste that this will obviously leave in other people's mouth.
Sure, people got a rare W from this, commend them for listening once their stonks fell a bit. But, as I said, this was clearly just psn slapping on a bandaid and saying oops
"psn slapping on a bandaid and saying oops"
its this bit; you called it a bandaid and im asking what more would you have them do?
I'd hope this backlash would be enough to prompt them to review their marketing and region locking and perhaps make them realise their market is obviously much, much wider than their idiot analytics suggest
Yeah I get what kit is saying, I think you're misusing the term "bandaid fix" here. This was a full on reversal, essentially sewing back on an entire arm

I'd expect a very uncomfortable board meeting tomorrow, perhaps with the HD2 CEO in on it to recount their experience
if theyre going to make psn acounts mandatory, hopefully a take away from this is that they really need to offer it in more countries or have a workaround for those who cant
"In 3 days we took a literal money printing machine and set it on fucking fire because we didn't know our own products, and restrictions."
"It also turns out we chose the exact wrong machine to set on fire, because this game's entire premise is to unify against a common threat."
Oh that please needs to be made into an official cape
That would be absolutely amazing
or a player card
Player card might need Sony to agree
i meant the ingame player cards
Oh OK
the ones that show behind your character in the menus
Honestly, Arrowhead would gain massive points in my eyes if they did adopt it as a cape as a legit "Mea culpa"
Not misusing... A bandaid fix is a temporary solution without dealing with the real problem.
The real problem in this instance was psn flexing their power over arrowhead and forcing other companies to do what they want.
Obviously, the community backlash was severe enough that psn put a bandaid on it and said sorry. But that doesn't stop the problem.
i mean, theyre the publisher; they want something for their work.
They get cuts of the profit. That's enough.
"This cape was found amongst the wreckage of an outpost who were cut off from resupply, a plain blue sheet painted in blood, where a stalwart group of helldivers stood defending the citizens inside until a resupply craft could be diverted to assist.
This was adopted by the team who discovered it in honour of those taking a final stand, and raising their voices to declare they will not fall."
-the agreement was that psn accounts would be mandatory, thus increasing psn's memership growth.
-arrowhead didnt make them mandatory, which led to people getting the game despite not being eligible for psn.
-psn enforced the original agreement because in their eyes, arrowhead broke contract
-unfortunately, by this point, it had been too long and caused a lot of consumer problems
-it was much easier to just ignore the original contract and honour the sales
-sadly, for arrowhead, this means theyll likely have a very scary meeting with psn
Oof.. That Spitz guy got in shit with Sony apparently.
In reply to someone thinking he got fired
Spitz :
Almost. Not quite.Turns out that telling people to review-bomb and refund a game isn't a popular decision with the publisher. But I'm still here and I'm glad that we all made a difference.
That lack of details in reply tells me a lot
yeah, spitz got attacked by a lot of people and demanded he get fired, but in my eyes he was actually telling people how to direct their anger, just in a very blunt and rude way
it makes more sense he'd get in trouble with sony than arrowhead
"aww youre upset? go tell someone who cares"
translation; "you cant change anything from here, go to the actual store and complain where sony will see and be affected by it; they dont read discord"
Yeah, especially given he looked like he was encouraging it.
I get the feeling based on his comments recently he probably outright said to Sony "I told them what they could do if they were unhappy, as we were unable to appease them."
I get the feeling there's a lot of reading between the lines with this character
i feel his wording was designed to anger people to get them worked up and motivated, then the latter half was telling them how to vent their new-stoked anger
the cms that definitely deserve to be fired are the "i just want more power" and "we knew, but i didnt want to tell anyone becausei wanted to enjoy the shitshow"
I don't know, they probably were as powerless to change anything and decided to enjoy the ride down on the Titanic because there's fuck all else to do
The I want more power ones, yeah burn them though
honestly i think spitz is comparable to that incredbles scene in the insurance company =p
"i want to tell you that you could go to this place and leave a bad review and tank its score, but i cant"
kinda surprised he didn’t
Separately
i would argue its not off-topic though; this was an actual game affecting change.
offtopic is stuff like "game is good, but the developer hates xbox players"
The Divers discord is apparently at the same pace as day 1 telling people to revert the reviews
its gained 23l positive since the announcement
Not at my PC right now so can't check how it's going.. but I'm actually not sure how many will Vs how many will hold for further info
its back up to 36% (from 15%)
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some peiople arent flippiung their reviews back until they see countries unblocked though
but thats up to steam tmk
Well up to Sony to tell Steam
not something i can make an informed take on im afraid; im not sure if its sony or steam that implemented it
If Steam implemented it of their own choice, it will be because they were made aware of the TOS issue, which means Sony will still need to tell them to undo it
not sure if its
"we need psn, so b lock countries that cant"
or
"we need psn" then steam went "so we'll block ones who cant"
I imagine it was "It has come to our attention you don't allow PSN in x,y,z, and this game requires PSN.. so we are blocking x,y,z so we are not selling a game that violates your own ToS."
A degree of arse covering, and a degree of malicious compliance.
Someone probably was giggling when they pushed that change, knowing they were untouchable.
Pretty sure they’re fixing it now
Can't blame people for not being interested in the game anymore, idk why people have to go back on what they said for them to be reasonable
they did what they did, people have walked away, not changing the review is normal
if they changed to negative because theyre done with it, fair enough.
if they changed it as part of a protest and their demands were met, they really should change back
"We did what you wanted guys, why isnt every negative review instantly gone, you guys are not reasonable, dogpilers"

bout to go do some chores 
its actually Bucky the palworld CM who used the phrase dogpilers =p
I know
Will be me after work today. My kitchen needs a little TLC
Gotta thaw some lean beef

Will be making stuffed peppers
Weekend foods
Also got stabbed with a needle this morning
Also saw that Arrowhead is not moving forward with the update that they were planning on implementing
hey, waddup
The bots plan to destabilize super earth had failed
It’s always nice to see the community actually able to make a change
Who would have thought that all of that chaos would have actually worked
They just need to change the region restrictions back.
Snoy lol
Snoy
lol
I want stuffed peppers
Me too
But these lame nurses won't give me my camera pill
So I can start the timer for when I can eat again
So I just get to keep waiting to eat
Rrrrr
Snoy peppers
snoy sounds fun to say
Gotta get back to work y'all. Take it easy now
"for the sake of it" yes for the sake of making an actual change. The change brought on by the outrage. Am I misreading this or is bucky this out of touch?
I think you’re misreading.
Ok I read it as him being on the side of the Helldivers stuff being "dogpiling for the sake of it"
they presented two options; "genuine outrage" vs "dogpiling for the sake of it"
i would say "making an actual change" falls under genuine outrage
“This will be a good exercise in genuine outrage vs [versus] dogpiling for the sane of it.”
It’s also in the context of “Helldivers is so back”
I overdid it on the chores yesterday x.x
(Yes, I know the chores talk is a little further up xD)
I guess I don't see how people reverting their reviews is said exercise. But I understand the tweet now
The buzz right now is people are willing to revert their reviews once the region restrictions on steam have been lifted.
because the protest was "we will flip our reviews until our demands are met". if they dont stay true to that protest, then it will just look like they were dogpiling cause it was cool and had no intention of it being taken as a serious protest
if you have demands, and they are met, its only fair you hold true to your end of the bargain and undo the damage.
otherwise, it will send messages to companies "it doesnt matter if you meet our demands, we'll keep the damage" then companies are less likely to listemn to priotests in the future
We gotta remember gamers dogpile a lot (“Nintendo needs to sue Palworld!”) but HD2 ran into a real issue due to an unfortunate circumstance.
not quite the same deal; this was a game that allowed you to play without it for 3 months, then suddenly enforced it.
most other games require it from the start
imagine: install on PC 30 launchers on every publisher
If they just delayed it and made it more apparent it was going to be required, and didn't allow region locked players to purchase the game, I would have been on the side of, "you knew what you were buying."
But, with them delaying it, allowing regions that do not allow psn to purchase the game with no intention of refunding it, and them just having a small section stating that would be a requirement, I fully agree with everyone being angry o.o
In my opinion, Sony doesn't need to release games on PC, they could have taken access to PSN first
That’s how they used to roll.
Someone in their planning/projections board probably realized the game would do better on PC and they wanted to tap that market.
At this point I just use igg games as my launcher if it's on a launcher different from steam or epic games

A person I knew from highschool was obsessed with that game
I love how many mainstream heads argue that having 4 launchers to play your games isn't sucha big deal
we just like to complain as average gamers
I kept yelling, "dang it!" When I forgot my password or misspelled, so for a bit, I changed my passwords to "Dangit!" XD
companies offer us a lot of value and what's wrong with having a few launchers
Those launchers harvest data too
They've earned it !
Yeah, I hate launchers, it's like a freaking Russian doll that never ends
Just like I love having 5 streaming service interfaces to be able to watch a few shows >.>
I mentioned once how the whole multi launcher bs would be over if companies had a framework to share data and crossplay
We need an open source alternative that all platforms can use and stop this nonsense
You mean like gog drm free games
If only
but with actual DRM
There was an old MMO that made you log in through the website with Internet Explorer to start the game with an ActiveX launcher.
So it had to be internet explorer
I remember ActiveX
RuneScape updates through it's client
Everything else seems amazing compared to that.
It's not revolutionary tech
It's not so hard to not have a freaking launcher for every freaking game company that wants one
Paradox, Ubisoft, Sony, Microsoft, Steam, Epic, Electronic arts, when does it end
Yeah it’s kind of a sad state of things.
There was a time when the damn start menu was your launcher. 😛
exactly, freaking hell
Old ea games
If they want my data I can give it to them if they ask, don't make me install a freaking launcher
I only trust Microsoft with my data
Xbox app
Since the US gov and 5 eyes is heavily monitoring them as they use their os
Xbox app comes installed by default in Windows afaik, that's its only saving grace and it's not a saving grace, it's like worse, but whatever
🍼
🫴
True
Google meanwhile is sus
Cisco is sus but what can we do
I message on my pixel and I get ads about it. Talk irl and gets ads
not like I can take off the motherboard on every network device
your phone isn't listening to you to show you ads, that's nuts
Windows Phone had a short stint. 😆
I see it all the time
what the hell is that gif lmao
Cause the algo with text has plenty of info to anticipate your needs based on similar demographics
Corpos don't need your audio to be smart
they got plenty in text form
Once I talked about HR block and how it is trash, then boom I get garbage block ads. Same with ESO
Have you tried talking about Viagra?
I think Google records your voice and transcribes it to text for ads
I never get NSFW ads
Even on YouTube
No adblock on mobile
That's 1, not practical, 2 still not there yet, 3, unnecessary use of processing power
Using audio to feed an algo in 2024 is nuts, absolutely bonkers
they have terabytes of data in text form
freaking petabytes
I think they still do it
Speech to text is decent, but it's not perfect, if it's not perfect, you are not going to risk polluting your algo with garbaggio
plus text is still superior to conversations in voice
It's the same reason why captcha have gotten unbearable for us
It's about training their ai
right, training, not using in the broad market
Ads are part of their ai for Google analytics
Google records and a computer sifts through for keywords to create targeted ads. I don't think the recordings are kept long bc it would be against the law.
To make money, you are then targeted with ads based on those keywords or the information gathered on you is sold to ad companies.
Example: I talk about needing to do a home improvement project, a local store is now sending me physical mail that says, "we heard you were about to start a project"
Just considering how risky legally is for your phone to be listening to you, when there's already existing legislation to punish when someone does that is beyond any company consideration
one thing is moving fast and breaking things, the law is already there
It becomes illegal if a person listens. A computer is allowed to listen.
Are we talking audio or text
Audio
Edward Snowden blew the whistle on it years ago
You are mixing two separate things
Companies still log your calls
I honestly don't quite believe this
Can listen to them whenever
I am not referring to phone calls. I am talking about when a phone is sitting idle.
I'm saying they do that and through calls
It can't get parsed cause that's a tech that doesn't exist yet
You can't fully parse audio for ads
I think, this one I can't remember the info exactly so it will need fact checking, the government can seize the ad records if they have actual proof someone is a threat.
cause you'd get ads for Viagra
I got random cloud flare and Oracle ads after talking about it in a call, never discussed it anywhere before

YouTube has live audio transcribing
I'll keep repeating it, the algo as we have right now WILL anticipate your needs
So that's a lie
transcribing is not parsing
You parse the transcript after the call
Pull keywords
Then put that in their file
Exactly and we know that's not perfect, it's not flawless
But it works
and you're not gonna risk polluting your multimillion algo with it
That's the idea of their algo
It's the only evil smart thing they can do
Targeted ads
They don't need it
never have needed it, never will
they use terabytes of metadata, they don't need your audio for gods sake
They will anticipate your needs based on your demographics
people that have followed your patterns will do things before you or after you, when they do it before you, you're being fed your future thoughts
But, what I am talking about is not full on recording every word. It records and keeps tracks and tries to hold onto words/sounds that are repeated over and over.
If I was in call with you right now, it would not be recording our entire conversation. It would record a bit, check for target words/sounds, record a bit, check, repeat. When it gets enough repeated topic, it will tdy to do ads based on the topic.
Example: spoke to coworkers about ships, we all got ads for cruises bc it was the closest the ad could come to the target words.
why do they need to spy and risk legal liability to show you marginally better ads plus risking showing you viagra
I'm saying when I talk about stuff when my phone's near I get ads about what I talk about. That's no coincidence
Even in private calls
What if any of those in that room actually googled it before you got the ad, is that so complex
Everyone I know with a pixel has the same complaints
What I am referring to should have sources online. It isn't hidden.
I've heard your arguments many times and it has never been true that I know of and there's always an explanation with tech from 10 years ago
It is only illegal in the US if you can prove a person is listening in and not a computer algorithm.
People have been saying the same thing for a decade or more
It isn't any more true today than 10 years ago
even if the tech is better, the algo doesn't need to be fed audio transcripts that are not even flawless
keywords can be missidentified as good as an entire sentence can be missinterpreted
The keyword doesn't understand if you said you hate something with every inch of your soul or if you love it like a soulmate
How many things that you hate to your core are you being shown in ads?
I haven't seen a Roblox ad ever and I freaking hate and talk about it I guess
More ads for things I hate appear than things I like :p
To be fair
I don't think there are any Roblox ads
Tik tok also does that, are they showing you ads?
I don't use tiktok
Companies can gather all the data you're willing to give them
that doesn't explain or justify anything
Nah, what tiktok does, is store your data, and then sells it to companies, that want it for ad purposes
And then, you have to also consider, tiktok was/is a Chinese company, in China
So they have to follow the Chinese laws, which means if the Chinese government wants the data that tiktok has on you, they HAVE to give it
I know how they operate, it goes beyond just that but yeah
I'm not saying there's no secret AI project out there being fed all sorts of illegal stuff but those things are incredibly experimental and they're not used in algos to show you an ad
Governments, they do listen to you often
depending on which
How surprising, an experimental project not being used to show ads !
But ya, Google and whatever else doesn't listen to you, that's just a myth
Every app you use on your phone, has some type of agreement, which you have to agree to, to use said ap
And in those agreements, is that those apps can track your data, so they can be used for "targeted ads"
People have said this way before Text to speech was even widely used, it's been ingrained
Microsoft never gives me targeted ads when I turn off the setting
At least US dissidents are not so widely labelled and persecuted
Id rather my data go to my own country, and not some other country, that pretty much treats it's residents as cattle
if the US or Spanish gov wants my ass they can have it tbh
Isn't Spain corrupt
Not as bad as China
Well, we're only as corrupt as the least corrupt country in Europe
I thought Sweden, Netherlands and Switzerland are the least corrupt
thankfully joining the EU has taken off of the hands of corrupt Spanish politicians many of the things they used to mess around
Sweden?
Really.
Yes
That offends me
Anyone play vampire survivors?
I mean compared to Canada everyone isn't corrupt
You mean China?
China number 2
Corruption in the EU is really hard to compare with the rest of the world
Canada is like China but cold and respectful
what we call Corruption here is mostly deep state
We got chinese police stations in Canada
we had those too here
IDK when to end my vampire survivor run
I'm at 12million gold
And my FPS is starting to drop
I tried playing those types of games, not for me
Rather play those old tycoon games
I miss pokemon tower defense
Anyone remember friv and that mini clip site
With flash games?
There was a cool RTS game I used to play on there
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I forget what it was called but it was all scifi stuff
There were a lot of websites, to play flash games on
Cool math games?
No
Friv
Was back in 2013
Tbh though 2010s was peak humanity
We got good games
Ah yes, right in the height of the Great Recession
There was 1 website, I remember, can't remember what it was called
But there was this weird game, where you hit/smack a balloon monkey 😂
The 08 only really affected the usa
Canada wasn't
Oh it hit more than that.
Lmao
0 idea whats going on, cant see anythinghttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594661998915223583/1237066544576729229/image.png?ex=663a4b7f&is=6638f9ff&hm=f6f2b1a4e149ca481822c899611d86f62bf234644accd41e20eb2c90566ef49f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1096&height=616
Is that a bullet hell game?
I wasn't present for the great fallador massacre. I was playing at the time, but somehow completely missed.
When I logged in sometime after it, a bunch of people kept following me around claiming I was one of the heros that protected people.
To this day, I still have no idea wtf it was xD
It's vampire survivors
Me too, I wasn't there but was definitely an active player at the time
Perhaps too active
Only info I was able to get was hackers made it where they could pk in Fally.
The first player to get 99 Construction held a party at their Player House.
Some players were doing some PvP Duel-Type stuff in the house party, and got kicked out of the house.
They somehow retained the ability to PvP in the overworld, and these players used this to massacre players in Falador, other places too but mostly Fally
I had a teacher that would sell lobsters to the class xD he was a member in the game and I wasn't. Others were confused as to why I wouldn't buy lobsters from it and I always claimed I could fish better than he could xD No idea if it were true, I just didn't want to spend my gold on lobsters lol
I once gave my friend 1 million RS gold for his Subway Meatball Marinara sandwich at school lmao
Ah o.o wow
Unfortunately, I'll never know why I was followed around and hailed xD
We only had 1 computer in the house. I used to mine 2k coal a day for my brother so I could have his computer time xD
Yeah I remember having one PC and Dial-up internet
And my sister and I both played RS
It sucked when my sister got a phone call -.-"
I still love RS so much lol
Anyone played Silkroad Online?
I need to try and link my account so I can play on my phone
I tried to play Silkroad, couldn't get it to work and gave up. Was too long ago that I tried, so idk what the issue I was having was
OSRS on mobile is fcking legendary lol
Such a good mobile game
RS3 is too complicated for mobile I find, I also don't play RS3 anymore
It's meh
It's a pretty underrated game, had player stores, caravans, protectors and thieves pvp mechanics, a good world boss and rare system
Ashes of Creation is basically Silkroad 2
I had and have no interest in any runescape besides old school lol.
There were a few mmos Inreally wanted to play back in the day and I had many tell me how great they were, but for some strange reason they would not run on any system in my house.
MMOs are specifically designed to waste as much of your time as possible.
I played a lot of RS3, my main is mega strong & rich, but I'd much MUUUCH rather play OSRS
So are Milsims
So are many games
RS still beats most other MMORPGs.
If RS3 updates it's gameplay a bit I might give it another shot... But the movement didn't evolve while the rest of the game did, lots of big boss fights where movement & placement are very important, but you're still moving your character by clicking on the floor, and there's a slight delay before your character actually moves
Games are designed to be fun, most live service games though…
Word on the street is that Nintendo is advertising ESG/DEI in their investor meeting that involves Pokemon. Once again, Palworld chads keep winning
I'd play RS3 with W A S D controls
Also they wanted to release updated charcter models that actually looked decent, but they scrapped that
I did that too haha, Legacy Combat Mode
For some Slayer monster tasks, Legacy Combat was somehow better, like it was the strategy to use
I have my Slayer level at 119 in RS3, I almost wanna log in & grind it up to 120 just to be a Slayer Master
I still use Legacy Combat Mode to this day. Nice.
Sadly it's hard to keep up with membership.
Yeah
Like with that Pokemon Go change?
I like how you can buy membership with in-game gold
Yep but the bond prices... jeez.
I miss RaiderZ. It had potential
Yeah and they fluctuate like mad
Anywhere from like 15 mil to above 30 mil depending on what's going on in the game
I think I've seen them as low as 8 mil but that may have been a dream I had lol, might not be real
I remember wanting to solo Nex in RS3 but kept failing lol
I got to the Blood Phase each time
do not lick
I wish I got video of Nori last night o.o
I think she would have become a popular gif here
Who is Nori & what is a gof?
Wait I am absorbing the context... Nori is a cat & you meant to say GIF
I have corrected gof to gif and yes, Nori is cat xD
I thought gof was something like goofball
I thought up so many goofy acronyms before I was like "I bet he meant gif"
I used some bleach while cleaning last night. Cats react similarly to bleach as they do to catnip. Except, instead of getting happy high like they do on catnip, my cats are evil when they smell bleach.
I kept chasing Nori away from the area I used bleach while it was airing out. She began stalking me down the all, hair raised, light in her eyes that made them glow evilly.... She looked like she was going to move me
My cats are funny with catnip lol
My biggest cat turns into a big bebe
And I have 5 cats so they're all just goofing out to the extreme
My cat Scarlett reacts to strawberry leaves more than she does catnip.
I didnt
Nori thinks the strawberry leaves taste good. Scarlett will be all happy, rolling around, trying to hug anyone that comes near, then come to me crying bc Nori will eat all the strawberry leaves
I didn't even see the subtitle until you mentioned it hahaha
🤣
I found out there's dog nip out there
Called Anise, it's just like Capnip for dogs
Star anise? The seasoning? O.o
Licorice
dont tell me theres catnip but for hamsters
And I foud this out cuz it grows on the golf course, and I walk my dog there, she went all crazy over it so I went home & learned about it
Hamnip?
I wonder if Catnip would work on them lol
so thats why dogs are called man's best friend
....Now you made me wonder if catnip would work on Katress and how would it react to it if it did
https://imgur.com/a/NNlETRd
It even sounds like a drug lol
I wanna see her rolling around in a pile of it acting dumb lmao
Same
Tombat as well
I think so, not sure
these emotes remind of those flash games that are pipe puzzles
Praise the Chibow
he be prayin
🙏
💀
When you said this I thought of a deepfried flute tune

maybe the Jurassic park tune with a deepfried flute
not
Noct
Knut
oh gdi
😂
It's a name, Madonna
I just realized what all the furries in here are thinking

It's a meme, batman
People are named that

"Sant Canut, also known as Saint Canute, is a legendary figure in Catalan culture, often associated with the legend of King Canute and the tide. According to the legend, King Canute, a wise and powerful ruler, was said to have attempted to hold back the tide with his cloak, demonstrating his humility and understanding of the power of nature."
This is a lie, we use that day to smoke weed cause it sounds like Joint, Canuto

Hell yeah
Hence the skull emoji. I was expecting someone to make a joke out of it
Been a tradition for at least 50 years plus, cops just stay out of the plaza, I was trying to research but nothing much is explained
Heeeyy Caos....
#off-topic message
Interesting how we might have grabbed this festivity to the norse king and made it into a hippie festival cause it sounds like joint

we need Viktor to study the effect of catnip on cat pals
i want some 
You could make it! It's not that hard or expensive actually.
im broke broke 
Get fixed fixed.
been eating plain rice for days
Somebody call for maintenance?
Aww 
You could say that.
What's ur budget
I eat carpets
Good Fiber content
Maintenance is here 🛠️
Huh... I kinda dig that emoji
✂️
Might make it part of my name
Straight goppin
I think a Hammer/Sickle combo would be a great melee weapon choice
surprised it's not an option in any game that I know of just for the memes
not in chivalry, mordhau or mount and blade
In Hrot, a Boomer Shooter I love, it's a Slavic-Themed game & you use a Sickle
I think I saw a Hammer/Sickle in a trailer, but I never saw it
There's also Horses with Gas Masks haha
That game was sick, but it was so brown lol





You are a madman playing god
Omg hahaha I used to adore this guy
That friggin intro to the show lol
Idk how you couldn't adore Bill Nye xD
fr fr
almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
I hate the dotserve domains
trash service, doesn't even work
their domain forwarding hasn't been working for 24hrs on my sites
What's it meant to be?
subdomain.domain.com --> ip adress:port
maybe they want to charge you per subdomain now
Ah I see
Phil Spencer, save xbox
Maybe they’ll announce their next XBox because MS is like “screw this gen”
I don't want to offend anyone, but crying PCs or this (not my picture). I'm amused by X when they argue giving pictures
Playstation horse
I don’t think Playstation is so disappointed with the result so much as the path it got there.
It's hard to say, in recent years Playstation hasn't been doing too well with marketing,
Not sure the tld has anything to do with your dashboard.
it does
to use any of their forwarding, even the email you gotta use their name servers
What registrar are you using?
rn cloudflare
reee
the .tech domain is dotserve
I configured apache2 to route everything and dotserve wasn't allowing domain forwarding
meanwhile when I bought a domain off cloudflare, it was working in 2 seconds
the odd thing is the domain I bought was 10$ on cloudflare but 30$ on namecheap
It's more expensive even tho the word 'cheap' is in the name lol
yeah, misleading
Namecheap used to be ENOM eons ago
Meow" KABOOOOM*
Heat Seeking Meowssile
Actually I might have to review what happened with that.
I just saved a bees life, and saved one of my cats from being stung lol
Four of them were going after it
Drake or Kendrick
Lil bro fell
Lil bro exploded
Lil bro had it coming
In the center of that, Chillet is biting it's tail
7 Days to Die is pretty fun, but playing it solo is kind of tedious. You have to juggle everything by yourself and gathering materials for steel is slow going at first.
plus the game itself is pretty wonky
Chilloboros
infinity chillet
Pizza is done!
Took a while because of the rainy season
The dough took a lot longer to grow
Doesn’t rain make wheat grow faster?
Took much longer than in the windy/dry season
I do get bored alone on 7dtd. I usually choose food and farming skills first. These work best for me for survivability.
Never have those door handles, got it.
Is steam xbox cross play out yet?
no
"real problem" for most people, it was just the PSN account linking that was the issue, none of this "big picture" stuff. So I disagree, I don't think it was a bandaid fix, it was a full on reversal. Now, it's totally okay to still be mad with Sony, cuz fuck Sony, but idk why people returning to the game after they fully listened to the community is a bad thing, if anything it conditions them that not fucking with community = big money
bacon 
its looks pretty good!
It looks good
lacks green olives
needs pineapple
👌 
pizza thief
My cat only eats tuna, don't like meats much and hates chicken
Mostly only eats his kibble
kibble and random houseplants he can't stop munchin on
For each of every cat, i once have a cat that crazy for cake...
They supposedly can't taste sweet
🤷♂️ they still wants every cake my mom eats,
Now my (different) cat doesn't even like human food, just fish and kibbles
Oh mah god... Give it 2 me
You're too late, it's gone
I hope the devs are paying attention to what Sony did to helldivers
Why
121 countries can now not play helldivers anymore cuz Sony is requiring log in and creation of ps accounts
Helldivers 2 situation got so bad that Sony actually backtracked.
This video is from a stream that took place just hours before it happened
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sir, this pocketpair server, not helldivers
Easy mistake
So there's no Sony or Microsoft to push them around.

Yeah wat
On legal contract
People posting rage bait for the sake of it
Why would PocketPair need to take notes from an unrelated game?
I thought they stated they were in the works with PS
No?
where
There's no PS version announced anywhere.
To put Palworld on PS
Nope
Nooooo, at least not yet
the source is twitter? 
So the helldivers Steam division won against the wrath of Sony?
Sort of
Also, in Arrowhead's case, Sony is their publisher so
Steam is giving refunds to people with hundreds of hours
Seems you're a bit behind the news.
You can now get refunds regardless of hours played and they’re in talks with PlayStation to try and fix it
yes. sony is stoping the thingy
They are not opposed to put palworld on different platforms that has been said but no other platform has been singled out yet











